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Ayn Rand, IP 160, and a New Allegation

Ed, you might want to take a look into this latest allegation by a new user. The user claims that IP 160/James Valliant/Pelargius1 are all one in the same person.[1] I have no idea if it's true. All I know is that a new user (Pelargius1) appeared today wanting all James Valliant's material put back everywhere on Wikipedia. It prompted a welcome, albeit lengthy, discussion. If the user is IP 160, the user is evading its block by way of a new account without notifying anyone. If it's Valliant, it's a conflict of interest and someone needs to be notified. And if they're all one in the same, I don't know what needs to be done. Should a checkuser report be filed on Pelargius1 to see if the user is IP 160? J Readings (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

See my comment on the article Talk. He should be welcome to participate on talk, since his original block expired, and his topic ban does not include the talk page. If he chooses to edit the article directly to promote his own work, and won't obey consensus, further sanctions are possible. The rules of WP:COI still apply. EdJohnston (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The issue has attracted attention across a number of objectivist websites. Worth scrolling down here.KD Tries Again (talk) 15:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again

I found the link by inserting 'www' in front of your version. Be aware that we are limited in how we can use off-wiki information in any WP:COI cases. If there is an Ayn Rand editor who is truly motivated to follow up, and if there is an admin who is willing to block Pelagius1 for violating the IP's topic ban, then a filing at WP:SPI may be considered. (That would allow a checkuser to investigate). Meanwhile, it is still proper to observe that Pelagius1 is promoting the ideas of James Valliant in our articles. We can also ask him to self-disclose. EdJohnston (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

As far as self-disclosure goes, it is all getting a bit too weird today.KD Tries Again (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again

Ed, Pelagius1 has now identified himself as James Valliant's "book agent" (taking the statement literally, no doubt). He claims that he lives with James Valliant (???) and therefore any checkuser on him will yield a result showing James Valliant's internet IP. He also states categorically on the Wikipedia page that he is an "avid and shameless" promoter of James Valliant's work. Am I alone in thinking this situation is getting a little weird? If that's not conflict of interest, what is? J Readings (talk) 02:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, a little weird. You're the editor who originally opened the topic ban discussion for the IP 160 at WP:ANI. Do you want to propose to Pelagius1 that, since they are editing through the topic-banned IP, they are an alternate account of that editor and should also observe the topic ban? (Otherwise, their edits might be considered ban evasion). If they won't agree voluntarily someone could propose it on a noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 02:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Do we have the technology to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Pelagius1 is IP 160? If so, I would recommend taking that last final step before doing anything else. So far, we have Pelagius1 confirming that he is deeply associated with James Valliant (that's a conflict). Whether or not he is James Valliant, I do not know. Then, we have another editor claiming that his personal correspondence with James Valliant matches topic-banned editor IP 160. If a checkuser matches them, it makes sense to then approach Pelagius1 to politely point out that he's been editing in breach of his topic ban. What do you think? J Readings (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think a checkuser is needed. (It is not easy to get checkusers to run an IP check these days). The person lives with Valliant, the latter has a static IP, so we should assume they use the same IP address. EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but is it IP 160? That's the issue. This outside WIki comment posts information alleging that it is.[2]. I don't recall Pelagius1 actually stating that he's IP 160, hence the problem. He *has* categorically stated that he lives with James Valliant, uses the same internet account, and he is Valliant's book agent for the shameless promotion of Valliant's work (which apparently includes Wikipedia). J Readings (talk) 02:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Pelagius makes a number of statements, e.g. "You will notice that I have added many, many other sources, as well. The citations for Rand-related articles have been radically improved with numerous sources, thanks to me" and "He is one my expert advisers and sometimes uses this account too. But never about himself. Wikipedia -- if you check the changes -- is the much better for it" which clearly imply a quantity of edits from either the same account or two computers in the same house which must pre-date Pelagius's account. Pelagius has only been around as Pelagius since May 19, and doesn't have that kind of edit history. Either Pelagius is referring to a pre-Pelagius account other than IP 160, or is acknowledging that he/she and/or Valliant was editing as IP 160. Only the latter makes sense to me. For what it's worth, one of the participants also disclosed what he claims to be an e-mail from Valliant with that IP number at another site KD Tries Again (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again

Since the Ayn Rand articles have caused plenty of trouble, if Pelagius1 resumes editing the articles directly there is a very strong possibility of admin intervention. What happens after that is probably up to the wisdom of WP:AN, but I think Pelagius1 can avoid trouble (that may include blocks) if they will stay on the Talk pages. I do not see a sockpuppet filing as necessary. Pelagius1 would probably be judged to be a meatpuppet of Valliant if the case were studied over at WP:SPI. If we filed a case at SPI, the clerks there would probably give us all a lecture about admins being able to use the WP:DUCK test to figure things out without any checkusering being needed. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I am the 'one of the participants' who corresponded with James Valliant as noted above. I had been in discussion with James, bringing him up to date on the talk pages and Wikipedia review Valliant/book controversy, letting him know some scuttlebutt that he himself was posting as IP 160.

I did not assume that Valliant was posting using the IP 160 account at the time. I considered it somewhat unlikely, and wrote to James to that effect, also directing him to a link to a 'What's my IP' site, so he could see if the IPs matched. To check my own doubts, I consulted earlier emails from his address, and carefully checked the IP addresses in the headers. They matched exactly to the IP 160 address.

I wrote back to James again, letting him know that he as IP 160 was now subject to a six month topic ban. He wrote back that a topic ban was news to him, since he had just added a reference to David Kelley's 'Evidence of the Senses' to the Objectivism article. I checked the article, and a fresh reference had been made as he had stated. . . by Pelagius 1.

I then posted to Wikipedia and contacted the editor of the off-Wikipedia site noted above. It was clear to me that IP 160 and Pelagius were one and the same.

I followed the links provided to me that suggested a sockpuppet investigation and a checkuser request. At the same time, I figured that the evidence I had provided James privately would encourage him to own up to posting as both IP 160 and Pelagius.

Then came the claims that Pelagius is a Valliant 'book agent' -- along with some rather unclear "my roommate did it" half-explanations. Obviously no one can prove one way or another that two or several people used the IP 160 account since last October, and similarly -- no one can prove that two or several people have been using the Pelagius account.

I am not convinced that any real sockpuppetry has been attempted: with the exception of the Kelley reference, Pelagius has made no edits, and has broken no Wikipedia policy that I can tell. I would suggest to Pelagius and IP 160 and to the various householders that someone make a clear report of the shared account, or at least acknowledge clearly what has been demonstrated privately.

To my last suggestion to James that he clear the air about shared accounts, I received an expletive-laced reply and a request to never write him again. Wsscherk (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that Valliant and his book agent are two different people, and approach WP editing differently. It seems that we could work with Pelagius1 in the future. I hope they will continue to participate. WP:NOSHARE is a concern, but need not be the highest priority. So long as Pelagius1 will continue to negotiate, I would hold off on a sockpuppet filing. If, after things are well sorted out, we learn that both accounts are still being used in a shared manner, I'd suggest a block. It does not seem that we need to request any checkuser data for the moment: I'd give 80% probability that the underlying IP of Pelagius1 is what you would expect. EdJohnston (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

An email has surfaced in which someone purports to be the Ayn Rand Institute's Leonard Peikoff. If the email is not a spoof, Peikoff has complained to Wikipedia's head about the James Valliant book edits, naming Barbara Branden as possibly "one of the instigators of your new policy." Wsscherk (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I've not received any email on this subject. The editors working locally on the Ayn Rand articles seem to be the ones who don't think Valliant's book should be cited. The IP 160 was topic-banned for refusal to talk or negotiate, a fact which is easily verified from its contribution records. Pelagius1 is not blocked or banned, and could participate further if they want to. EdJohnston (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

ODD SPOT -- Leonard Peikoff's former wife Amy has just announced that the complaining email is indeed from Peikoff -- Note announcing email's authenticity. Full text of the email available her. Wsscherk (talk) 19:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Your news about these discussions on external sites should probably go to one of the Ayn Rand talk pages, if you think that our editors should be taking notice of them. I've not done anything on the Rand matters since May 21. EdJohnston (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Ed. Good suggestion. It was just an FYI. Wsscherk (talk) 06:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Bloomex

A "competitors" section that lists other companies which have no connection to the article topic other than happening to provide the same service is never appropriate content in any Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 03:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

You would be OK with it if sources were found to show that those companies provide a similar service? Competitive information is often found in articles about companies. What do you think about Verizon#Competitors? EdJohnston (talk) 04:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

2 questions: 1. Controvercy page is created by upset customer.in my opinion it must be removed.online forums are not credible sources in my opinion. The fact that bloomex company is Canadian partner for all Canadian orders for two largest floral companies Proflowers and 1800flowers is way stronger indication on company credentials. 2. Why I could not edit the article?Floralexpert (talk) 08:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Please make your arguments at Talk:Bloomex. If the company is the Canadian partner for other companies, that might be mentioned if a third-party source can be found to prove the fact. You may not be able to edit the article due to the semiprotection. Please read WP:Conflict of interest before trying to edit the article directly, and wait and see if you can persuade the other editors on the Talk page. If others are convinced, they will change the article themselves. EdJohnston (talk) 13:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I try to express my opinion as a person who knows the industry and have worked in in for decades. It would be more prudent to block Dougweller who does not respond to discussion page and does not follow the logic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floralexpert (talk • contribs) 14:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

EdJohnson, I was all my adult life in floral business, owing number of retail outlets in Canada.I live in Ottawa and I involved in wholesale and bouquet distribution business now. From my professional activities I know Bloomex operations, but I do not have direct association with Bloomex. I consider myself an expert in floral industry and I did edit in the past articles related to floral industry in USA, though I did not bother to create login until recently until I came across article about Bloomex, the Canadian company. In my opinion, the problem arise when one of the unhappy customer ( or an unhappy local florist) edited article to include words like" scam" and included posts online forums. That post triggered further editing with COI from folks from the company, unhappy customers and editors. Before that article was published for 6 month without any major editing. I am ok to include BBB mentioning, though from expert point of few it is not 100% correct: 1. All florist by default receive rating C if they are not " accreddited by BBB ( read: pay money to BBB). The process of accreditation in Ottawa BBB is faulty and it has great coverage with fraud Ottawa BBB was involved by accrediting several companies involved in fraud ( national govermant new agency CBC had coverage on that with numerous coverage in local press:http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/02/07/ot-fraud-080207.html

2.THERE IS NONE OF HIGH VOLUME retail florists in Canada, who has good rating with BBB.- you could check it yourself, type " florist or flowers" in BBB search and select Canadian provinces or cities. there is no canadian florist with 100 or more complaints with rating higher than F. I do not agree about quoting Ellen Roseman as an expert, because

otherwise we have to quote her in all Wikipedia articles about 

large Canadian business. See her articles about: a) Sears: - 35 articles http://www.ellenroseman.com/search.php?cx=006319560383011813216%3Aa0fo_0bgvwo&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=sears#919

b) Canadian Tire- 42 articles http://www.ellenroseman.com/search.php?cx=006319560383011813216%3Aa0fo_0bgvwo&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Canadian+Tire&sa=Search#922 c) Future shop - 50 articles http://www.ellenroseman.com/search.php?cx=006319560383011813216%3Aa0fo_0bgvwo&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=future+shop&sa=Search#981 d) even grocery chain Loblaws has 18 articles http://www.ellenroseman.com/search.php?cx=006319560383011813216%3Aa0fo_0bgvwo&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Canadian+Tire&sa=Search#922

Please reply to my argument in logical way Floralexpert (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Paranormal State

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Nangparbat

The vandal is back http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=States_and_territories_of_India&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aftermath_of_the_2008_Mumbai_attacks&action=history Thegreyanomaly (talk) 04:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Semied both articles. EdJohnston (talk) 04:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hes blocked for vandalism himself i suggest you dont taint your image by communicating with this grey editor 86.153.128.233 (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring

Please see my comment on a 24 hour block you imposed on User:Cool Nerd, at that page. Edison (talk) 04:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied at WP:AN3 and at Cool's talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Unblock and then topic ban for Aoganov

Please see and comment here. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mav (talk • contribs) 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I support the topic ban of User:Aoganov, and have added a comment at the thread on WP:AN. EdJohnston (talk) 20:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Remind me to not bother to edit political pages

Sheesh, what a storm of snarkiness. Sorry to bother you on your page, do you have any idea what is being demanded of me by this edit [3]? I don't see anyone asking me previously to 'fix my link', let alone "go fix your link already!". Really a lack of WP:CIVIL, IMO. Good heavens - all because I asked that people document their non-vandalism revisions on a talk page of an article on probation. Thanks in advance. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

See your own comment at the top of Talk:Barack Obama#Relevancy. You say: I question this edit: [4], but the diff provided as #4 seems not to be what you intended. EdJohnston (talk) 01:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply, and I apologize for not noticing that. Sorry, too, that I didn't notice (maybe buried in the commentary?) anyone asking me about that before. I'll fix the ref. Thanks for being very clear. Cheers! --4wajzkd02 (talk) 02:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: removal of an external link to Oganov's work

Regarding removal of Science daily press-release on the article by Oganov. Only quality reasons: Boron must go to GA and FA, as all element pages. As such, it should contain links to the original articles (such as the Nature paper by Oganov, which by all means should be there) rather than press releases. The mentioned press release (as usual) contains scientific inaccuracies, such as boron is "ionic crystal", which phrasing was vehelmently opposed by the author himself on the boron talk pages :) (Just let me know if you need the diffs). Best regards. Materialscientist (talk) 05:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This is not right:

• First, WP often refers to press articles and this is considered normal. Moreover, after reading the Science Daily article, Materialscientist should have understood that speaking about the "discovery" of Zarechnaya-Dubrovinskaia on WP pages (as he did) is not right, but he made no correction to such claims.
• Second, the Science Daily article contained a very clear reference to our Nature paper (even a web-link), and that reference was ignored.
• Third, the Science Daily article is, in my personal view, very high quality. I am unaware of any significant inaccuracies there. Chemical bonding in gamma-boron has both ionic and covalent components. Speaking about a "purely ionic" crystal is certainly not correct (pure ionic bond does not exist anyway), but "partially ionic" is perfectly right (and partial ionicity was indeed mentioned in Science Daily).

This story, among others, is indeed a reason for the edit-conflict with Materialscientist and for my suggestion to topic-ban him on the basis of a COI. Artem R. Oganov 129.49.95.27 (talk)

First, please do sign your message with four tildas every time you edit, even from an IP (I've done it for you, but without a date as my reply is many hours late). Second, I'm not going to pick up this fight, unless specifically asked by a third party. Your peer-reviewed Nature paper was clearly mentioned there and having a separate, extra, non-reviewed, much shortened press release on the very same results is not what is expected from a GA/FA. As to "this story .. is indeed a reason", I've never heard of this particular "story" utill EdJohnston pointed me to it yesterday .. Thats to the point of face values. Materialscientist (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This has already been discussed at WP:AN. If Aoganov is looking forward to a return to normal editing, I urge him not to evade the block on his registered account by using an IP to post here. In spite of the quality of his scientific work, he has already caused a lot of trouble on the Boron article. If you want to be forgiven for sockpuppeting in the past, continuing to sockpuppet even now is not much of a recommendation for you. EdJohnston (talk) 00:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:COI/N#Taos Institute

Hey, Ed, I noticed the COI/N entry for Taos Institute, and the names there rang a bell … or perhaps a gong. Within the past year, there has been an issue with this group either at COI/N, AN/I or perhaps elsewhere over those creating and editing these articles. I’ve been trying to run these down, but without success. Is there a way to <search> the archives for these pages?

Basically, the group was a nest of COI issues – which they weren’t admitting to although kept unintentionally revealing (it was a gang that couldn’t shoot straight) – producing a promotional page for the institute and creating bios for their members (autobios for a few). There might also have been a fringe issue as well with the institute’s program. As I recall, Mary Gergen and one or two other bios were AfD’d and perhaps an article on the institute itself. I think some of the Taos editors were blocked as well. In any case, this time around Dialogical seems to be the main editor, although other Taos Institute-related SPAs include Correspondencebias, GoVeg, Josephlogan69, and Jean Redmass. In short, this submission may require deeper digging to resolve. Askari Mark (Talk) 00:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I checked Google Scholar for Taos Institute but turned up mostly their own publications. I'd not be opposed to the speedy deletion of the article. 'Whatlinkshere' to Taos Institute doesn't find much previous discussion. Maybe the same command could be tried on the individual biographies. EdJohnston (talk) 00:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

COI-Russell

Hi. I made a very minor change to your comment at the COI page because I really really don't like being called 'Jethro' - I trust this minor change won't concern you too much. Aside from that, thanks for your comments. My main concern is with the self-promotion of the user's website, which prior to their own addition of links to it in Wikipedia articles, did not seem to be a well-known resource. But it doesn't seem appropriate that a website gain some kind of perceived notability in Wikipedia articles by its introduction into those articles by the creator of the website. Perhaps I am being overly concerned? I'd like to emphasise that I'm not suggesting the user should not be editing articles.--Jeffro77 (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for misspelling your name. I think we should be more concerned about whether Wikipedia benefits from adding the link rather than whether the owner of the linked site benefits. I remember that the last time this was at COIN, it was hard to decide what to do because the site appeared useful, and the editor himself seemed to be a bona-fide contributor. Do you think he is preventing some desirable improvement to the article? EdJohnston (talk) 15:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the user's introduction of their own site into articles. But aside from that there is also a tendency of the user to 'protect' Russell's reputation. Because there is no clear consensus on issues I have raised, it would be in the editor's interest to be able to have a clear resolution regarding his COI that he can point to in the future.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The COI due to operating a website that is linked from the article is fairly obvious. Not sure how it would be more clear. The question is whether other editors would agree that he is editing neutrally. If you could show that he is obstructing progress on the article, that would be significant, but I've seen no data to show that so far. EdJohnston (talk) 23:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Incredible!!!

Hi there ED, VASCO here,

Just found this, and have to share it with you:

PARARUBBAS, here anonymously (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.0.145.142), removed signs in INFOBOXES, links and REFS at Orlando Sá and Luis Aguiar (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orlando_S%C3%A1&diff=292630286&oldid=288717155 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luis_Aguiar&diff=prev&oldid=292663905). Most incredibly, the person i often accuse of writing appalling English in a variety of football articles (not my fault if he writes in poor fashion), did this in a user's page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rjgibb&diff=prev&oldid=204664454, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rjgibb&diff=prev&oldid=204664713 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rjgibb&diff=next&oldid=204664713)

Almost erudite level of English, incredible the level of mockery he can achieve. So he vandalizes, writes in poor english when he can write well, removes whatever he wants, and what is done? NOTHING!! And now that i know he "contributes" from England, more than nothing!! I guess i would be more at risk, if i dare insult such a kind man (although i do acknowledge it does not solve anything, but neither does NOT insulting).

What a pityful disgraceful man (not you ED :)). Seriously, even though i know a long-range block is impossible, something has to be possible man...How about blocking anon IPs one-by-one? Is that a possibility?

Cheers from PORTUGAL, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 17:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Additionally, i would also like to ask you (maybe i still haven't got it!!): when someone has a dynamic IP, are there any limits to the number of IP with which one edits (even though they repeat at times)?

Ty very much in advance, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. The IP 92.0.145.142 has been blocked. There is no problem blocking IPs one at a time. If you want to help out, you could start keeping a list of the IPs he uses. Then, after a few IPs have been recorded, we could decide if a rangeblock is possible. EdJohnston (talk) 23:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Of course i want to help ("out" or "in")!! Here's what i got so far (in a related note, i say that i am not sure if you wanted me to give the IPs to you as well): (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.133.156), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.5.135.0), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.230.129), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.6.202.44), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.4.14.65), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.2.200.217) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.4.94.151). Unfortunately, most, if not ALL, seem to operate in one sole day, leaving us with what we already suspected: his array his almost endless. What more can i do Ed, other than keep piling these up?

Attentively, VASCO, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 00:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

These IPs are too far apart to make it worth blocking the range. However, sometimes dynamic IPs are used in succession, so blocking the latest one is all you have to do. None of these were used since 30 May, so I wouldn't bother doing anything. EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the quick protection of Hey, Slavs, I'll get back to you once we've got everything sorted out. Cheers! Dotty••|^TALK 15:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yasis

Was getting a love note every few days, but now it's spilled over into other users' talk pages and article space. [4] NJGW (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Boeing 777 Promotion

Thanks for the information but I can't find myself!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 3rd June 2009.

Hello DAFMM. The ANI discussion about you has been archived. It is now at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive542#FYI User:DAFMM. EdJohnston (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 8th June 2009.

Kosovo

Need some help on the Kosovo page. It is being attacked constantly by people refusing to accept fact.

• One example; the article talks of Serbian boys taken as "slave booty" to Asia during the Ottoman period - the source is Serb historian with no reputation

• My source; Ira Lapidus - is standard university text for the study of Islamic societies (in this case the Ottoman empire), explains how Christian boys were taken from the Balkans - not from Serbia in particular - and enlisted in the Janissary corps when they were older

Thuranx ( I think he is an administrator?) keeps editing, for no apparent reason. I have tried to instigate discussion with him here on my talk page, but he gives no specific examples of my "vandalism". He seems to be pushing POV or in any case, wants to maintain the status quo regarding the Kosovo article. It should be noted that the Kosovo article is tagged as not neutral and full of misleading citations. I have tried to add numerous citations but there is a huge problem with the editors (possibly administrator (s)) on the page. I would like to know what you think.

(Interestedinfairness (talk) 00:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)).

You might consider following the steps of Dispute resolution. For example, raise a specific question on the Talk page and find out what different editors think. Wait for consensus to be reached before deciding how to change the article. Open a WP:Request for comment if necessary. I hope you are not surprised at being reverted on a highly-contentious topic like Kosovo. Great patience and diplomacy as well as good sources are required to edit there. EdJohnston (talk) 00:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply, and thanks for the advice. I will try and apply it. (Interestedinfairness ([[User

talk:Interestedinfairness|talk]]) 01:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)).

Brett Frana

hi i was told my page was nomitated for deletion.. i have had my wiki page for a long time now and have not had an issue.. however i tried to update it and put alot more informationn about me and the projects i am involved in. i was then told that it was not allowed for me to do that. whick i do understand that your pages must be worded a certin way. however after talking to other people that work for the wiki i was told if i just put it back to the way it was before i had edited anything that it would be fine because that was already preapproved content. so i had dont that and put it all back to exactly the way it was last week and month the way it was when it was created.. i would hate to see it get deleted is there anyway to prevent this from happening? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettfrana (talk • contribs) 16:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied at your Talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

RfC for Corp Usernames

I have created an RfC for a proposed change to the username policy in regards to corporate names. I invite your input. Thanks. Gigs (talk) 01:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The problems arising from the dyslexia project dispute

Dear Ed the problems arose out of what would appear to be missunderstandings and a lack of user communication. From my side of the problem is the way in which the WIKI structure discriminates against those who sahre my type of communication disability. I have been diagnosed as having Auditory Processing Disorder, which causes me to be dyslexic. WIKI does not provide the required alternatives for those who share my type of communication disabilities, and because of this can prevent us from contributing to WIKI successfully. Everything is just a mass of text, very few diagrams or visual examples. The support artilce and the indexs are unnavigable all text and difficult to process and understnad. I have spent day hust trying to find out how to create a new category in wiki and still have not found a really suitable and logicla explaination. It appears to be too many cooks spoil the broth,you needa proper well organised and regularly reviewed users manual which everyday foile can understand. The presenjt system is only intellegable to the very few who appear to make up the rules as the go along.

dolfrog (talk) 12:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I hope you'll ask at WP:Help desk if you need assistance. From a quick look at your contributions, I believe that you must have checked a box that says 'Mark all edits minor by default,' which is found in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences. It is better to leave that box unchecked. Your complaints about User:RHaworth are hard to understand, and I hope you'll consider the possibility that he is actually trying to help. For a better-organized help document, take a look at Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. It at least has a few visual examples. EdJohnston (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

As a comment there seems to be a general lack of understanding by those who oversee the WIKI ystem of the specialsied communication needs of those who may have, through no fault of thier own, a communication disability. This in tuen means that there is some unintentional WIKI institutional disabiliyt discrimination against tjhose who have communication disabilities such as Dyslexia , Auditory Processing Disorder , Scotopic Sensitivity Syndrome , Alexia , Aphasia , stroke , etcf this list just goes on.

If wiki only wants to allow those who do not have these disabilities to access and be active WIKI users then that is pure Disability Discrimination, or WIKI needs to adapt and adopt more understanding of the communication needs of those who have commun ication disabilities, especially those WIKI users who wish to become administrators.

dolfrog (talk) 15:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

'Discrimination' is a strong word, and I suggest that you frame your requests for assistance more carefully. If you think WP discriminates since it is most conveniently used by people who don't have dyslexia, your position is unlikely to win much support. If you want to be an administrator some day, getting into a quarrel with User:RHaworth so early in your career is not a good omen. From his talk page, it seems that you and he may be getting along better now. EdJohnston (talk) 17:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

If Wiki were to take Dyslexia seriously then WIKI would provide the multipl colour background oiption in the user preferences that other information web sites provide for dyslexics who have problems with black font ona whilr background. may be you should have a look at the IRLEN web sites to find out more regarding Scoptopic Sensitivity syndrome or Mears Irlen Syndrome

dolfrog (talk) 02:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows its appearance to be customized. The most common setup is called 'Monobook', but if you ask at WP:VPT people can probably advise you on how you can obtain a different-colored background on your own system. To get started, go to your user preference page and click on the 'Skin' tab to see some options. EdJohnston (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you have miss understood the needs of those who have Scotopic Sensitivity syndrome (SSS), they are sensitive to cerain light frequwncies and each person who has SSS will be sensitive to different light frquencies os they require the whole background of a web page to be a single bavkground colour to enable them to acces the web page, and the MONObook has at least 3 background colours. Most SSS freindly web sited have at leat six single web page background options to suite the need of most of those who have SSS, So you would need to have at least six more preference options and these options mnetioned or offered on every WIKI page. Again have a look at the IRlen web site http://www.dyslexiaservices.com.au/Six-Year_Follow-Up.htm

dolfrog (talk) 03:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

We are all volunteers here. If you express interest in tailoring your own setup to meet your needs, you may be able to get some advice at WP:VPT. You could also try leaving messages for one or more of the people listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dyslexia#Participants to see if they have any suggestions. That project does not seem very active, though. EdJohnston (talk) 04:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I would love the other people listed on the project page to become more involved, but just recently It would be easier to get blood out of a stone, I have tried. And this is part of the problem I am facing, due to my own communication disabiliyt I am not getting ther support I need when trying to edit the Dyslexia project articles and malking contact with other Wiki categoroes and related WIKI articles, my communication deficts become a great handicap in trying to erxpress waht i am trying to achieve out side the areras of my own specilaised knowledge. So any suggestions to find more support would be greatfully recieved.

I know waht it is like to be a volunteer, I have been running a not for profit orgnaisation to provide help and support for those who share my disability in my own free time for the last 7 years now. But so far with regard to that particular project i have not been working on my own.

dolfrog (talk) 15:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI#Repeated edit warring between two users

Hey. Since you initially responded to the thread on ANI, the two editors in question have posted a number of comments, but no one outside of the conflict has said anything. Should I take it to WP:ANEW as Jayron said? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I hoped that getting both editors to comment at ANI might help to settle down the conflict. If any admin action is done, it should probably be a mutual restriction, like a 1RR. However, just looking at Sofia Rotaru, I don't see more than one revert per day in recent times from either editor. Do you know of any articles where the warring was more serious? EdJohnston (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess things have calmed down now that I've mentioned this battle in official channels; most of the big revert battles I can find are from five days ago. But really, it's more just a lot of bad blood between them. On Talk:Dusha#Soul (film) and Talk:List of highest paid musicians in 2008, for example, it's finger-pointing. Is it best to just wait until a big revert war happens again and then report it? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 16:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

These two people seem to be content editors who are quite devoted to creating proper writeups on Sofia Rotaru. Such editors are sometimes perfectionists about their own vision and tend to butt heads. So long as we can get them to discuss properly, it may be OK. EdJohnston (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion of 72.199.110.160 ?

I see that you banned the IP number 72.199.110.160 from certain topics and cited "a discussion at ANI", the phrase in quotes here appearing as a blue link. When I clicked on it, I didn't find that particular discussion, but only the ANI page. Can you give a URL for the discussion? Thanks. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Michael, here are the links:

• Archived topic ban discussion at ANI (closed 12 May)
• Entry in the log of admin actions at the Arbcom case.

EdJohnston (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Michael Hardy (talk) 15:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

New Creation Church (Singapore)

Hi Ed, Could you please move this page to New Creation Church in line with the consensus on the talk page - I tried but an admin needs to do it apparently. I'd be greatful if you could take a look at some of the recent edits too - the article was discussed at WP:COIN and it seems as though editors with a COI may still be editing it. I'm not quite sure how to maintain a NPOV. Thanks Smartse (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I can do the move, but the discussion listed at WP:RM has only been running for four days, and one person has already opposed it. Better to let it run a bit longer. EdJohnston (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:COIN#Hatashe

No problem with your edit, but as far as I know it was a standard 4 tilde timestamp, so if the bot has a problem with that maybe the bot needs to be fixed? – ukexpat (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Burma

I have not violated the 3RR My first revert was at 05:59, 7 June 2009, my fourth revert was at 18:31, 8 June 2009. I had well over 24 hours between my first revert and my fourth revert. After my first revert, I accidentally reverted my own edit, and promptly undid this accident. Unless, I am mistaken (please correct me if I am), this accident does not count in the 3RR Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No header

Hi! Unfortunately a recently blocked user [[5]] continues the same activity [[6]]. I tried too initiate a discussion on a new basis, but there is not much to try. He also finds support to another user [[7]] (he is also a newcommer in wiki ), in order not to break the 3rr (he continuously insists that he will not break that again and will organize combined actions). Is it something we can do? Thank you for your time.Alexikoua (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Alexikoua

Why are you accusing me? I have opened topics in talkpages, and have done nothing to break any rule. You are accusing me for things you and Athenian are doing on a daily basis. EdJohnston just see for yourself that I have opened topics on talkpages. --Sarandioti (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ed, I sent you an email with details of all the actions of Alexikoua and Athenian--Sarandioti (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

nangparbat

the vandal is back http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Sister_States&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=North-East_India&action=history

Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

lol and this indian american vandal is blocked please do not feed trolls 86.153.128.233 (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Nangparbat is trying to fuel the edit war at Burma. I have reported the page to Nishkid64 for semiprotection. I have not touched the page since my ban ended Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sofia Rotaru again

• The desire of Jaan Pärn to delete the contents and then the article Sofia Rotaru goes a little too far, even when users vote for keeping files. Do you think this deletion was done in accordance with the Wikipedia rules?--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Disruption in Albania articles

Hi EdJohnston,

The level of disruption in the articles on cities in Southern Albania is becoming intolerable. First let me begin with Sarandioti. He hasn't stopped revert-warring since his block expired and is clearly gaming the system, as these comments show [8] [9]. Although he hasn't broken 3RR, he has 3R in Delvine and Paramythia, 2R in Berat, Saranda, Himara, and Gjirokaster in the last 24 hours. He edits in bad faith, falsely claiming here that I wrote "Greek majority" [10], when in fact I wrote "minority" [11], he pretends I gave no source [12] when in fact I did [13], and he dismisses out of hand any source I bring as "unreliable" without providing a reason [14]. He has a combative attitude and battleground mentality as evidenced by these comments [15], [16], [17], [18], and these are but a small sample. But perhaps most disturbing of all is that right when he is about to break 3RR, his allies User:I Pakapshem and now this guy who just popped up [19] are there to revert in his stead. These are both brand new accounts, yet they seem intimately familiar with Wikipedia policy. The newest guy, User:XXxLRKistxXx leaves comments like these [20], to which Sarandioti replies as follows [21]. If not socks, these definitely seem like meatpuppets or a revert tag-team. Best regards. --Athenean (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In Sarande I have done 2 reverts like you and Alexikoua so hwy do you accuse me? Also the sockpuppet accusations are empty, and I cannot talk however I want with people I share same views regarding certain issues(LRK). Who are you to judge others? And I still have not forgotten your explanation for removing the proper picture of fustanella :rv because this is one ugly ass picture. Yes EdJohnston thats what Athenian said, chek it if you want. So stop personally attacking me Athenian for irrelevant matters(osckpuppetry, break of rules). Always you speak without ANY piece of proof for ANYTHING. And it seems to me that you and Alexikoua are the ones tag-teaming, because you always make 4 reverts per day, 2 each. Coincidence? DOnt think so. As for the articles it has been explained MANY times by MANY editors why they are reverted, so stop your nationalist lies. EdJohnston for his comment what do you have to say? Is that an approriate answer? And Athenian you added that there is a large minority in Sarande while your source just states that it is large enough to maintain a small school which has never been asked.--Sarandioti (talk) 07:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI, There's now an ANI thread about the new "LRK" account. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sara. mainting alternative names doesn't mean that a country's borders have to change (why u feel that this is related?). Why r u talking about Greek flags and stuff like you will take revenge, in the Saranda article? I'm sorry Sara. this is not a nice approach.Alexikoua (talk) 08:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

This is my only account! What revenge are you talking about alex? --Sarandioti (talk) 08:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

As a sign of good faith I have stopped editing several articles. --Sarandioti (talk) 09:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

HELP!!!

Hi there ED, VASCO here,

I need your help, and no, not with PARARUBBAS this time (although he could be mentioned somewhere in the next lines):

Upon making some edits, while anon - my IP is standard - in Bruno Saltor Grau (seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruno_Saltor_Grau&action=history), i received a "tip" in an edit summary by User:Scjessey. I immediately sent him a message, logging in, debating "the goods and bads". Minutes after logging off again, i received a message in my anon account, where the said user tagged me as a sockpuppet of myself (here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.129.67.28)

I always thought those tags were "handed" to vandals (like the case we all know), so logged in again, and tried to argue about what was happening and defend myself. No apologies, nothing from him, just a "as long as your intentions are good, you'll be fine". After a couple more hours editing IN and OFF, he reinstated the tag on the anon account, and i have already tried to talk with him again - his response, here(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NothingButAGoodNothing&diff=cur#IP_identity).

I have been at WP, since i have the account, over an year now, and NOTHING like this has ever happened. Turns out Jessey has already been blocked three times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scjessey#Blocked_for_3RR), whilst i, always editing IN and OFF (i also told him, and now tell you, i will continue to do so in the future), haven't been once (just a couple of warnings for harsh edit summaries, that's all).

After my essay, i hand you the verbal duties. My question is: is this guy's attitude legitimate? If not, could you intervene? Is that tag appropriate? Really confused...

Ty very much in advance, VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 01:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

User:NothingButAGoodNothing

I have removed the template per your request; however, I have a legitimate concern that this user is editing articles and engaging in talk page discussion with both the username and the IP address, flicking back and forth between one and the other. Other editors may not be aware that they may be dealing with the same individual - an individual who performs what some may regard as rather contentious edits. Perhaps you could urge this editor to self-identify in a satisfactory manner? I suggested this on the user's talk page. This would avoid confusion in the future. -- Scjessey (talk) 02:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've left a related suggestion for NothingButAGoodNothing. EdJohnston (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Will do yes sir, immediately. How do i get about inserting such template?

--NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• DONE!! Or at least i think it's cool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:217.129.67.28). Thank you ED, sorry for any incovenience.

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 02:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that looks fine. I added 'cat=no' to the template because there is no need to have a category for your alternate accounts. EdJohnston (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

László Tőkés

Hello! Thank you for your involvement at László Tőkés. I would like to pont out that the usage of city names which are related to Romania, Slovakia, Serbia is disputed between Romanian, Hungarian, Slovak and Serb users. Cities, like Oradea/Nagyvárad, Cluj-Napoca/Kolozsvár and the others were Hungarian cities from 1000 until 1918 with Hungarian/German/Romanian population. Those cities still have significant Hungarian population with Hungarian identity. Even so, there are Romanian users who keep removing Hungarian names because they say that using Hungarian names is nothing else, just hungarian irredentism and revisionism, and Romanian names are official (although these names are mentioned in the lead in encyclopedias [22] and can be used, according to wiki rules "Multiple local names"[23]). I thought you should know this. CheersB@xter ⁹ 19:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

Wikipedia_talk:Username_policy/Blatant_Promotion_RfC#Proposal_5_--_Reflect_consensus_in_twinkle_and_templates Gigs (talk) 02:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Assistance on SocialSense AfD

The activity around an article I nominated for deletion a few days ago bears some similarity and connections to that of an AfD you participated in on Jacob Apelbaum that was deleted a while back. Since I'm being identified as the problem in this AfD, would you take a look at the situation and provide input or assistance? I don't care about the AfD decision, but I would like to avoid having to renominate the AfD if the article was blanked and speedied. Other related links: [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] Thanks. Flowanda | Talk 05:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've warned User talk:PiRSqr about personal attacks and cautioned him about charges of stalking. EdJohnston (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sarandioti and I Pakapshem

Thoughts on 1RR vs. topic ban? Athenean is right about 1RR, so I think a topic ban might be more effective. See User talk:Nishkid64#Question for you for more. Thanks, Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 12:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think a topic ban makes more sense. Though I don't have time at the moment, it would be helpful if somebody (Athenean?) could make a list of the Albanian articles where name-warring per WP:NCGN has been happening over the past three months. We would concentrate on those where non-Albanian names had been removed. Here are some more links for reference.

• Sarandioti (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• I Pakapshem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Balkanian`s word (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Arbitration request on greek.2Falbanian_zones
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive100#Alexikoua reported by User_Sarandioti .28Result:_no action_.29
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#Sarandioti reported by Alexikoua .28Result: sock block.29
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive544#Possible_ARBMAC_issue

It's worth noting that anyone like Sarandioti who knows how to file a 3RR report and an Arbcom case and can upload images is probably not a brand-new editor. His account was created on 26 May 2009. Since his interests and edit-warring tendencies have so much overlap with User:Balkanian`s word it is tempting to request a checkuser. The latter identifies his home town as Saranda on his user page, and 'Sarandioti' sounds like the word for a resident of Saranda. EdJohnston (talk) 13:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Withdraw my idea that a check should be run, after comparing their contributions further. EdJohnston (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ping, you have e-mail. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 15:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Data collection

Hi Ed,

I have collected the data you suggested. The city articles that have most heavily been affected are Himare, Saranda, Delvine, Gjirokaster and Berat (in roughly that order). The disturbance is also afflicting article of towns in Greece that may or may not have been inhabited by Cham Albanians in the past, such as Konitsa, Paramythia, Arta and Preveza. It is also worth noting that User:Balkanian`s word and I had pretty much reached a stable, unwriteen gentlemen's agreement regarding these articles, and all the recent disturbance has been occuring since Sarandioti burst on the scene.

As far as I know, the only discussion is on Talk:Himarë#Demographics,greeks,albanians of Himare, but I would not call it sensible. It mostly consists of bad faith attempts by new users to undermine perfectly legitimate sources, and I consider it closed. This thread [User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise#Greece-Albania articles, some thoughts.] I initiated on Future Perfect's page, though, might be of interest to you.

I am also certain that Balkanian`s word and Sarandioti are different users, although I suspect that I Pakapshem, Sarnadioti, and XxxLRKistxxX may be the same user (particularly the last two). These articles are also plagued by IPs [29] [30], who may or may not be block evading users. --Athenean (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks! If any topic ban winds up being imposed, it would have to be based on good data. Though the rules for issuing topic bans under WP:ARBMAC are quite liberal, if the case for a ban is not solid as a rock such a ban might not win general support. I'll wait and see if the problem continues before proposing anything.

• User talk:XXxLRKistxXx is indef blocked so for now he is out of the discussion.

• If we think there is good evidence that Sarandioti and I Pakapshem are close colleagues who intend to work together to insert POV into our articles, then sanctions under WP:MEAT are possible. That is, sockpuppet remedies as applied to meat puppets. This might be easier to justify than a topic ban (or at least, require less discussion). It would most likely need a filing at WP:SPI. Also, in response to your comment about articles 'plagued by IPs', I think the community is willing to accept semiprotection of articles where POV-pushing by IPs can be shown. EdJohnston (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

An AfD that could be getting overheated

Greeting EdJohnson. Please forgive any perceived transgression and attribute it entirely to ignorance and not malice. The only reason I used the title “Stalking” was because I perceived that Flowanda was very aggressive and confrontational with me. To get a better advice on how to deal with this, I decided to communicate with few other editors that had similar experience with Flowanda and get their opinion. The title of the comment “Stalking” (I’m still not sure what that means in the context of Wikipedia) came from a posting that Ratel left on Flowanda talk page. Most editors suggested that I take the high road and not respond beyond supporting the article with further references. Which is exactly what I’m planning to do going forward. Also, while I have your attention just few questions...

• 1. Where do I go for second opinion (I’ve been using names of editors from Flowand talk page, is that legit or is there an official place I should go to get these opinions?
• 2. When an editor uses a confrontational language like in the case of the SocialSense article debate when I was told that I provided no references or evidence when in fact id did. Do I not reply to it? and by not doing so, will I lose credibility in the discussion.
• 3. When I'm asked to provide additional references and I do, can another editor simply remove them because even though they were valid they weren’t formatted properly? How do I add these references back without starting an editing war?
• 4. Does Wikipedia have a live chat feature that you can use to get advice or editing help? If not, I would like to propose this feature and would be happy to help build it (I did similar open source implementation in our corporate Wiki).

Best--PiRSqr (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Request

Hi there ED, VASCO here,

Please, could you block this anon IP by "our friend" PARARUBBAS? He "contributed" here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Miguel_Dias_Gon%C3%A7alves&diff=295993102&oldid=292703280), gluing all sentences, empoverishing English (even though he knows the language) and removing REFS.

Ty very much in advance, "see you",

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 01:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Notable Gjirokastrits

The user Alexikoua keeps adding 2 unknown greeks in notable gjirokastrits sections, in the beginning of the section. I moved them below, but he reverted it back. 1)Just because they are "greek" doesnt mean they're known. The second one especially. And he has no right to put them before nobel-nominees like Ismail Kadare, or ethnologists. They are part of the greek nationalist attempt to hellenise the gjirokaster article. Check my talkpage for your question. --Sarandioti (talk) 14:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)