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September 1

Steve Sandvoss Section Blanking

This question relates to one of those areas where Wikipedia policy is unclear (to me). An editor tagged the Sandvoss article back in April as needing additional sources. Then, today, he blanked the section on Sandvoss's early life (which had no sources at all). The issue is whether the blanking is appropriate. BLP policy states that all unsourced "contentious" material should be removed immediately. However, it doesn't say what you are supposed to do with unsourced non-contentious material. The editor who removed the material didn't challenge the statements in the section. In my view, even with a warning tag, unchallenged material should not be deleted wholesale without first attempting to reach a consensus on the Talk page of the article pursuant to WP:NOBLANKING. Mind you, I have no stake in the material. I didn't create any of it. However, the truth is that many articles about BLPs have unsourced, non-contentious material, and no one removes it, at least not an entire section. I was going to revert the change but decided to pose the question here instead to see if anyone has any comments on the issue generally and with respect to Sandvoss in particular.

As an aside, what causes some section blankings to be tagged and others not?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I've never seen that essay before. There's some rather extreme cherry picking going on there to reach a large brush conclusion actually unsupported by canonical policy. Please see WP:BURDEN. This is part of one of our core content policies and cannot be overruled. Yes, negative, unsourced material in BLP's needs to be removed immediately, and yes, any contentious unsourced material (whether positive or negative) and all quotations must be sourced using an inline citation, but in addition, i.e., separate and apart from this,

Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article. Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources yourself that support such material, and cite them.

While the user did tag the article as a BLP needing additional sources for verification, it would have been better if the user had added something like {{disputed-section}} or fact tags at the end of each paragraph he was disputing, but he absolutely can simply remove, and the burden is on those seeking to add it back to source it. This is fundamental and really, without it we are lost, for lack of sourcing is our number one problem.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN leaves a fair amount of wiggle room, too, actually. In any event, if an editor can remove unsourced material, even if it's not contentious, then the BLP policy should be changed to say so. I understand when you add material to a preexisting, well-established article, the burden is on the adder to source the material. However, if an editor can simply create that burden on a subsequent restorer by removing material, that's kind of cock-eyed. At this point, you might as well delete the entire Sandvoss article. There's only one source in it. The rest has nothing. I might also add that although I sympathize with your statement that lack of sourcing is a major problem, if we were to let loose a bot on Wikipedia whose sole mission was to remove all unsourced material, we'd save a LOT of disk space. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 01:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a difference between blanking vandalism or a bot simply removing unsourced material willy-nilly, and a WP:V challenge to material on the basis of sourcing, and subsequent removal. They are very different things and must not be conflated, which is exactly what's wrong with that essay. Contentious is anything a person challenges. That is how it has been long interpreted. The proof of the soundness of the policy is that whenever an unsourced article of any length, with particularized facts is sourced, it is always found to be wanting. It always has mistakes, misleading material, half truths and so on. When we look at WP:BURDEN in practice, it cannot be used to simply blank entire articles because we then know the challenge is not in good faith. I have seen this play out. There's a balance that's reached, but without the wide stretch of this section of policy, we would be forced to show any unsourced material we wanted to remove was not true, negative evidence, often impossible to find, would be the only basis for removing seemingly neutral facts. This would destroy us.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the word contentious can be interpreted to mean challenged. However, removing existing material because of a generalized challenge (meaning no explanation as to the reason for the challenge other than the material is unsourced) is effectively the same as my extreme example. I'll just change my scenario slightly. We send a bot out to tag all unsourced material. The bot waits four months and then removes any of the previously challenged material if it has not been sourced. Going back to Sandvoss, what is the appropriate period to leave the warning up? Three months? One month? A week? And what must be sourced? What about the person's birth date? Birth place? Let's take a BLP who's far more notable than Sandvoss. In the Early life section of the Julia Roberts article there's a tag from March 2008 (!) about lack of sourcing. One unsourced sentence in the section says: "Her mother re-married to Michael Motes and had another daughter, Nancy Motes, who was born in 1976." Putting aside the grammar problem, shouldn't that sentence be removed? Should all the unsourced passages in the Roberts article be removed? There are 301 watchers of that page (as opposed to Sandvoss who has fewer than 30). If I started picking unsourced sentences and removing them, I might be shot.:-) By contrast, if someone added unsourced material to Roberts, and I reverted it, few would disagree. Maybe the only reason the Sandvoss article can be blanked is because no one cares that much, or maybe it's a little selective enforcement.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no timeframe that someone must wait before removing unsourced material. It is best to give a reasonable amount of time, (unless it is negative info about a living person then it should come out immediately) but reasonable is up to each individual editor and what the information is. I don't agree that an editor making a decision to remove unsourced information is no different than a bot tagging unsourced statements and then at some preset time going back and removing them. The bot, as far as I am concerned, would be vandalism, because there is no thought going into what goes and stays. If there is tagged unsourced info that you feel should come out of Julia Roberts then remove it or try to source it if you think it is helpful. If no one has bothered to source a statement in over 2 years it is one of two things IMO. One no one can find a source or two, no one cares enough about the info to find a source, either way it should probably go. ~~ GB fan ~~ 15:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

In the Sandvoss case, I see no difference between the editor's tag and removal and a bot's tag and removal. The editor gave no specific reason for tagging or for removal. The bot could easily be programmed to do the same thing. As far as your suggestion about Roberts, you have an excellent point, but I'm not taking the bait. :-) I don't feel like having rocks thrown at me. My point was that there is a significant difference between unsourced material being caught at the time it is added and unsourced material being caught much later. In theory, both should go, but in practice there's a presumption for leaving the preexisting material, or at least having more discussion before removing it, rather than just citing policy. My other point was that there's a difference between a relatively unknown BLP and a famous BLP in the way this issue is handled.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

There are other possible explanations for the difference in how those two articles have been handled. One possible explanation is that different editors are watching the two articles and those editors handle the same situation different ways. It doesn't have to be about the popularity of the subjects or when the material was added. I know to me it does not make any difference. I probably wouldn't remove the text from either one of these articles, but that is just me. ~~ GB fan ~~ 16:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but the popularity of an article affects how many watchers there are. When you have editors handling an issue in different ways regarding a popular article, there is a greater likelihood of disagreement and discussion (whether consensus is truly reached is a different animal), whereas in an article of less interest with fewer watchers, that kind of healthy debate is unlikely to take place.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Certainly an appropriate blanking. Source BLPs or don't include information, it's that simple. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if you come across an unsourced BLP you should stub it. Best to have no information on BLPs rather than incorrect information. The burden for sourcing is on the person adding information not the person removing. --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the unsourced statements in Julia Roberts that have been languishing should be removed and the same goes for any article on anyone regardless of their degree of fame. I think you've fallen into the trap of looking at the status quo of hundreds of thousands of unsourced and poorly-sourced articles and thinking that since that's the case, we can't really mean what the policy says. Well we do. The problem is that it is the status quo and it's so vast, so everpresent, and there are so many users who do treat this site as a place to write down whatever they fuzzily think they heard somewhere, that the fact that it is a problem, it is wrong, it is not the way it should be done, isn't really known to many even longtime established users.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not sure I completely agree that the policy is as clear as you think, but you've been very patient with me, and I certainly understand the points you've made. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Great. You just may avoid being one of the first ones up against the wall when the Great Wikipedia Unsourced Content Revolution comes;-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Kip Morgan

I created a page on Kip Morgan - a detective character created by Louis L'Amour. However, I mistakenly wrote "Kip morgan", instead of "Kip Morgan" in the title. Now, however hard I try, I can't change the title from "Kip morgan" to "Kip Morgan", i.e. I can't make the small "m" a capital "M".

Kazimostak Wikipedia contributor and reader (<e-mail removed>) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.40.141 (talk) 08:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I have moved the article to the proper name. Please note that the quotation in the article must have a citation provided. You can do so by adding <ref>description of source.</ref> right where I have added (and in place of) the tag that looks like this: ^{[citation needed]} I have already added the markup that will render that reference code a footnote in the article. In that regard, a Google book search indicates to me that this quote may be from The Hills of Homicide, but I cannot confirm. The best information would be name of work, author, year, publisher, page number and isbn.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your e-mail address to protect your privacy. Bk314159 (talk) 13:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Bath

I am posting this here, at the suggestion of the talk page for "Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Bath" (the text disappears if I try to link it)
Why does the top line on that page say

Classification: Wikipedians: by alma mater: United States: University of Bath

Last time I looked, the University of Bath was in England not the United States
Arjayay (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

To make a link to a category, you need to add a ":" after the opening brackets, so you get Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Bath. I have fixed the problem by adding "|country=England" to the template that produces that display. Bencherlite^Talk 08:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 09:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

page deleted - Amotz Shemi

Hi,

If a page was deleted "Amotz Shemi" is there a way to restore it or do I need to start a new page?

Thanks,

Gili Silenseed (talk) 08:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! As an administrator, I can check deleted articles and I notice that Amotz Shemi is said to be the CEO of Silenseed Ltd. I strongly suggest that you do not write an article about this person, because your username makes me believe that you have a conflict of interest here. See WP:Conflict of interest for guidance. It would also probably be a good idea to change your username, because using a company name as your username gives the impression, firstly, that the account could be used for promotional purposes (which is not permitted) and secondly, that the account might be used by more than one person, which again is not permitted (see WP:NOSHARE). Bencherlite^Talk 09:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Deleted page

Hi,

if a page that i did not create was deleted is there any way I can see it or place it again?

thanks,

Gili Gilifocht (talk) 09:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

If you are still talking about the same article as the section above, then it was deleted by WP:PROD. Articles deleted that way are supposed to be undeleted upon request. You can either request it from the deleting admin, DMacks or at WP:REFUND. It should be restored just by asking. ~~ GB fan ~~ 09:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

(e/c) Only administrators can see deleted content (to the extent it is not cached on Google or otherwise reproduced somewhere offsite) but you can ask for deleted content to be provided to you so that it can work on to improve (see Wikipedia:Userfication). However, only some content is suitable for this. For example, copyright violations and attack pages are never undeleted. All this is assuming we can find the deleted article. On that score, the deletion log is very finicky, requiring the exact name of the article that was deleted and is case sensitive. So in order for us to locate the article you either have to provide that exact name, or give us good identifying information such as when the deletion occurred, what administrator deleted it, what user created it, what user tagged it for deletion, and so on.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Featured Template

Why don't we have Featured Template?--Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Featured content is an identification of material that is to be highlighted for our readers as fine encyclopedic work. Templates are behind the scenes material. Essentially, if it has no place being on the main page for view by the world at large, flagging it as "featured" is a non sequitur.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Or Valued Template, Good Template. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 12:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Not everything with "Featured" in the title appears on the main page: lists, topics and portals don't, for instance. Bencherlite^Talk 12:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

But they could, the point being that they're part of the front end of the encyclopedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Featured redirects. Bencherlite^Talk 13:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Awesome link!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Track ISBN usage on Wikipedia?

How can I track how many times a source has been referenced? For example, if a book has the ISBN 0-19-511001-5 is there a way to determine how many articles it has been cited in, and also the names of those articles? Chicaneo (talk) 12:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

There may be a better way, but I just used a regular Wikipedia search for the isbn of a book I've used many times and it seems to have found many if not all examples.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I had orginally provided a isbn that ended with a 3 but I fixed it now. I'll try your suggestion with the correct #. Thx. Chicaneo (talk) 12:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Still didn't work, so I changed it back to the cloth edition # which ends in 5. Chicaneo (talk) 12:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

OK- tried it with different book & it works just fine. Thanks again. Chicaneo (talk) 12:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Anytime. I just converted the reference to its isbn 13. By the way, a great tool when seeking proper hyphenation of isbns, and finding isbn 13 equivalents of isbn 10s is ISBN Converter. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Mistakes in an article

Dear Sir, Madam, The article posted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC_Joint_Technology_Initiative contains many mistakes and inconsistencies about the description of our organisation. We need to replace this article with the correct descritpion of ENIAC JU. The description is on our website: http://www.eniac.eu/web/JU/aboutENIACju.php , you can see that it greatly differs from the article posted on wikipedia. Could you please advise how to remove and replace this article? Thank you, Regards

Claire Gerardin <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by ENIACJU (talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• Kindly read our conflict of interest guidelines to understand why, preferably, you should not be undertaking these changes yourself on the said page. Do also read our copyright policy which might prohibit any Wikipedia editor from reusing contents from your web site. To suggest changes to the article, kindly use the talk page of the ENIAC article. I find one such message already in place. Do wait for a response and consensus on your proposed changes. Write back for any further assistance. Regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 18:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Map

Dear Sir, Madam I work for the AMNRL and we would like to put a map with our teams on it with a link to their Wiki pages like the map on the NFL page. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.6.46 (talk) 15:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• In case you are requesting any Wikipedia editor to help you create such a map for your internet website, this is not the forum to request such help. This page is only for asking questions about using Wikipedia. You could, and should, employ web designers to undertake what you desire. Please feel free to write back for any help you might require with using Wikipedia. Regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 18:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the poster is asking for help creating a map similar to the one at NFL#Current NFL teams. – ukexpat (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

You can submit a request at the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop.--SPhilbrickT 14:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Why is it when i add something to another article, the next time i check it, it is gone?

It is so annoying when that happens —Preceding unsigned comment added by StellaBloomMusaFloraLaylaTecna (talk • contribs) 15:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Because you are spamming Wikipedia, attempting to introduce your email address into articles. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Violin with Wilhelmj imprinted on back.

Can you give us any information regarding this full size (4/4) violin with Wilhelmj imprinted on back at the neck end? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.187.12 (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Incidently, we have an article about the violinist August Wilhelmj - and the Baiba Skride article mentions She plays the Stradivarius "Wilhelmj" violin (1725). -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Category sorting

hi i am rmplymouth1 and i have been updating the ben ferguson (footballer) page. However, when i go into the categories at the bottom of the section everybody elses comes up under the letter of their surname. for example, under 'A' it would come up with Simon Anderson, Mike Atherton, etc. I should come under 'F' but I am coming under the 'B' section. HELP!!! please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 (talk) 16:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It just needed a default sort key, which is done using {{DEFAULTSORT:Lastname, Firstname}}. I have added one, so Ben Ferguson (footballer) will be sorted under F in the categories the article is in. --Mysdaao ^talk 17:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Why are you saying "I"? Are you Ben Ferguson? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 20:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks i'll try it - no, my name is charlie bond, the secretery of Okehampton Argyle FC. Thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 (talk) 10:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

What is philosophy of kaaba?

i know some one who keeps saying that kaaba is a black stone and arabs made it for their profit so that muslims travel there and they make money out of it. he does not accep the history or the basic information that everymuslim has.

so how can i make him shut up?

and when i wanted to research about this on the google, i found out that some websites says that kaaba is used to be a hindo temple and if muslimes says we should not worship the stone, they why they themsleves kiss and touch and worship the stone?

it made me think aren't they right that why we kiss the stone, we beleive that Allah is with us and in our hearts so why we go there saying its Allah's home or kiss the stone?

i will apprecaite if some one help me get out of this confusion.

regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.227.23.44 (talk) 20:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. TNXMan 20:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, have you read the Kaaba article? Perhaps that can help, or some of the 48 references, 10 "Further reading" items or one of the 5 external links may be of some use. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Donate content of web site to article

Premission was give to donate the content of the web site to the page for Gar Francis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgrimme507 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• Have you read "Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia"? That explains how permission can be given to allow re-use of the web site content on Wikipedia. As you will appreciate, anyone can say "I have permission to use this content" - however, for legal reasons, the WikiMedia Foundation require more than just a user's word. Incidently, even with such permission, it is still preferable for an article on Wikipedia to be in the editors' own words, rather than a verbatim copy from a website. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

pepperdine university article

The article has a rankings box which list Forbes as indicating that Pepperdine is ranked #363. The fact is that Forbes ranked the university in america's best colleges as #142. Please correct.

Thanks,

Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgcannon79 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed. Bk314159 (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Bk, must've beaten you to it then? Thanks Chris for your contribution, good catch! Fingerz 22:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Why didn't I see an edit conflict warning, then? Bk314159 (talk) 01:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

If you click Save page with something identical to the current version then it's a null edit and you return to the page exactly like if your edit had been saved. It gives no edit conflict and no entry in the page history. I have also at least once replied with a claim that I fixed something when the page history credited somebody else. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

My guess was wrong. The page history [1] shows it was fixed after you claimed to have fixed it, so maybe you failed to save. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Entry Deletion

I recently added a whole new section to an entry on Wikipedia (Tourism, under the "Guam" entry). I checked several times after I entered the new section, and everything appeared in order. Last week, I checked the entry, and all the new information I had entered was deleted. Why? Should I just re-post?

Guamvisitorsbureau (talk) 22:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no record that this account ever edited the article Guam, which does not have a "Tourism" section. In any case, an organization such as the Bureau cannot have an account here, since only individual human beings are permitted to have editing accounts; and anybody working for the Bureau would also run grave risk of falling afoul of our restrictions on conflict of interest and neutral point-of-view. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

(e/c) Nevermind, beat me to it Orangemike. Fingerz 22:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Your account was created 4 minutes before your post here. Without knowing the user name or IP address you used it is hard to find out what happened from your description. The page history [2] of Guam does not show any large additions recently. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think this is it. The tourism section was removed on 6 April 2010 in this edit by User:Atama. The rationale given was: Removed tourism section. It is redundant with the Economy section already describing tourism with proper weight and NPOV, and violated WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:SPAM. A quick look at the deleted material left me generally agreeing - it did read like a tourism advertising brochure rather than an encyclopaedia entry, although there were some facts in there that could have been salvaged. If you feel you want to try, the article's talk page is a good place to discuss changes. However, you need to change your username, because it breaches Wikipedia's username policy in more than one way. You also appear to have a conflict of interest, which makes it doubly important that you discuss changes to the Guam article with other users and reach a consensus on suitable wording, rather than just adding your contribution again. Karenjc 18:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I guess I have another concept of recently than Guamvisitorsbureau. The tourism section was added by an IP in January.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Does this page already exist?

I don't want to reinvent the wheel so I was wondering if the page I am thinking of writing, tentatively to be called Wikipedia:Finding online sources, already exists. It seems to me a hole that should be filled if it does not. The content is to focus on the location of free, reliable, online sources, how to use them, tips for searching and surrounding issues. Basically, the point will be to have a place to direct users for actual advice on the "how", after we give the almost ubiquitous direction to "go source something" for the many, many reasons we do so. Again, only looking for confirmation such a resource doesn't already exist. The only page I know of that focused on this general treatment at all, but not in a way I think was very useful, was Wikipedia:Reliable sources/temp#Finding good sources. This is not intended to be an index like Wikipedia:Current science and technology sources.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:EIW#Resource includes:

• Dispatches: Find reliable sources online, Signpost, July 2008

PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Great link thanks PrimeHunter.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

When I search something on yahoo or google

It inevitably has a link to wikipedia. When I click on anything featured by your site I get automatically redirected to some site that I know must have some sort of virus/trojan/malware. Please look into this IMMEDIATELY. This only happens with your site. I managed to get onto wikipedia through putting the address into the address bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.170.150 (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a problem in your browser, not with Wikipedia. We have no control over search engine results, nor the links that the search engines provide. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

(e/c) I am betting you have a virus or piece of malware on your computer that is causing this. When I search almost anything I can think of using Google or Yahoo, one of the first results is, indeed, Wikipedia's article on the subject, and when I click on it I get taken to the Wikipedia article and nowhere else.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2

Is the subject of VEDIC ASTROLOGY approved by UGC.

Please intimate which institution in India or abroad recognises study of VEDIC ASTROLOGY so that I may approach them for learning this great ancient scince of India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.55.253 (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at the Humanities reference desk? --Jayron32 03:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• Although you should be asking future questions on the Humanities reference desk, here's a link to one of the Indian government bodies that provides details on a few such course. In the future, feel free to write back on this particular help desk for questions on how to use Wikipedia. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 04:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Language to Language translation

How do I activate the instant translation capability within Wikipedia such that when I am reading an article in one language I can use the cursor to see a translation, into a different language, of a word with which I am not familiar, eg: German to English?204.115.94.55 (talk) 06:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe there is such a capability for anonymous users. You may use either Google Translate or create an account and enable GoogleTrans in your Preferences under "Browsing gadgets". I would advise using Google Translate since no registration is required and it requires less hassle. Protector of Wiki (talk) 06:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You can also switch to Google chrome as your browser. It autmatically recognizes foreign languages and ask you if you want to translate using google translate. ~~ GB fan ~~ 07:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, < math >A< / math > does not render as expected

On my system, the "A" in <math>A^*</math> renders as slanted and serifed, as expected: "$A^{*}$" (<math>A^*</math>) looks like "A ^*" ({{math|''A''^*}}).

However, <math>A</math> unexpectedly renders as an upright, sans-serif "A": "$A$" (<math>A</math>) looks like "A" (A).

When I try the same on http://meta.wikimedia.org, "<math>A</math>" looks like "A" ({{math|''A''}}), as expected it renders as slanted and serifed.

The issue occurs for simple formulae like "A", "xy" or "AB=CD". For more complex formulae like "A*", the issue is not present.

As far as I can see, Wikipedia does not work as expected here. Why is this so? Can this be fixed? How? --RainerBlome (talk) 10:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All the As look the same to me. Have you changed your user preferences at all? - Jarry1250 ^{[Humorous? Discuss.]} 10:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Good question. Yes, I have set "Appearance -> Math" to "MathML if possible (experimental)". And indeed, when I switch to "Recommended for modern browsers", it works, <math>A</math> yields the expected slanted, serifed "A". On http://meta.wikimedia.org, it worked because my MathML preference was not set there. Since my browser correctly displays a MathML test page, it appears that the HTML source is not generated correctly with the MathML setting. Thanks for your help. --RainerBlome (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Chamber Orchestra of Europe page

Dear Sir or Madam,

A while ago, I updated extensively the Wikipedia page for the Chamber Orchestra of Europe, as I am their Marketing and PR manager (cf. www.coeurope.org). However, these changes seem to have been cancelled and the page reverted to the former text on 21st august at 00:09. Please could you let me know what happened and please could you make sure that the COE page reverts back to how I had changed it?

May thanks.

Kind regards,

Coralia Galtier —Preceding unsigned comment added by COEurope (talk • contribs) 14:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• Hi COEurope, I have left you a detailed reply on your user talk page. Thanks! Arakunem^Talk 17:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Domjur

I wish to know whether "DOMJUR" constitutes part of Kolkata Metropolitan Area (KMA). Please inform me at: <address redacted>. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.126.196 (talk) 17:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.Template:Z37 But note that we will not do your homework for you. – ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• We have a Domjur article and a Kolkata metropolitan area article = perhaps one of those would help you to work this out? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Good sockpuppets

What should an admin do in this situation? A user is a vandal. He is blocked. He creates a sockpuppet. The sockpuppet does not do any vandal edits but instead accumulates a large number of good edits. A checkuser discovers he is a sockpuppet. Should he be blocked? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 17:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

If a user is making good edits, why would a checkuser investigate them? Also, if the sock has had time to accumulate a large amount of edits, any technical data that may have tied them to the original account may have expired. TNXMan 19:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You might find Wikipedia:Standard offer interesting - fundamentally if a user comes back from a blocked account as a good editor then that's fine (ie to the extent that they are unrecognisable eg Comment on content, not on the contributor). The "standard offer" doesn't have to be made explicitly. However if the editor has a good-cop, bad-cop account thing going on that could be problematic - it depends if the editor has only one account and they are doing nothing wrong with it I would guess every sane person would let them get on with it.Sf5xeplus (talk) 21:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Compare to simple:WP:Simple talk#Good sockpuppets. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It should be noted that WP:CLEANSTART covers the issue. If the user is a long term abuser of Wikipedia (Grawp on Wheels, if you will), then a clean start would likely not be accepted. However, if a user vandalized a few articles one day, got blocked, then started a new account and never vandalized again, it likely a) would never be noticed or b) if it was, would be considered a legitimate clean start. There are vandals, and there are VANDALS if you know what I mean, and we deal with them in very different ways. --Jayron32 04:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Irina Shayk

Extended content

Irina Shayk (real name Shaykhlislamova), sometimes credited as Irina Sheik, was born on Jan 6 1986 (in Eastern Church it's the Christmas Eve) in a small town called Emanzhelisk, it's in Ural, 50 km from Сhelyabinsk. As a schoolgirl, she liked literature, and most of all she liked making up stories and reading and at that time she wanted to become a teacher of literature when she grows up. At teen-age her appearance was very exotic for her small home town. Her classmates often made fun of her as she looked so different from all the other girls. Irina's mother was a teacher of music in a kindergarten and she wanted her daughter to study music as well. When Irina was 9 years old she entered a music school and studied there for 7 years. She was singing in a choir and playing piano. Irina’s father was a coalminer and he died when Irina was a schoolgirl. Irina’s mother had to work at 2 jobs to provide for the family (Irina and her elder sister Tatiana) it was a very difficult time for the family but mother and daughters were always helping each other. When Irina finished school they moved to a bigger town. Irina started studying marketing, but it was pretty boring and by pure chance (her mother saw an ad on a bus stop) she came to the local beauty school accompanying her elder sister. When the girls came to this school by another pure chance a person from a local model agency (situated next door to the beauty school) noticed Irina and was struck by her unusual beauty. Right away Irina was proposed to participate in a beauty contest "miss Chelyabinsk 2004". Irina never thought of a career of a model and it was a total surprise for her when she won the contest and became miss Chelyabinsk. She was noticed by a scout Guia Jikidze (he also found Natalia Vodianova , Eugenia Volodina, Polina Kuklina, Elena Melnik, Olga Sherer and many others), and he told Irina that she should become a model and start modeling in Europe, and in 2005 she came to Paris. She started her career pretty late, at the age of 19. In the beginning it was very difficult for her, as she didn't speak English at all and everything was new but soon Irina was working in Europe and in USA and felt at ease during the most complicated shootings. In 2007 Irina became the face of Intimissimi lingerie, taking over from Ana Beatriz Barros and she was making this campaign for 3 years in a row, being perfect for it with her body of a goddess and Mediterranean looks. She also starred in an Intimissimi commercial photographed by Greg Cadel in 2009. The same year Irina got international recognition when she appeared in the prestigious Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition of 2007. The location for the photographs and video in this edition was the White Stallion Ranch in Tuscon, Arizona. Irina Shayk, her skimpy lingerie dwarfed by the cowboy hat, workers gloves and a bullwhip became a real sensation. Since 2007 she appears every year in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, working with such world wide known photographers as Pamela Hanson, Steve Erle, Riccardo Tinelli, Rennio Maifredi and Raphael Mazucco and shooting in the most beautiful places such as St Petersburg, Naples a, Grenada and Chile. Since 2007 Irina’s work has been featured in major ad campaigns for La Perla (ph. Maifredi), Lacoste, Paciotti 4US (ph Mariano Vivanco), Guess (ph. Yu Tsai, Bryan Adams) , Germaine de Capuccini (ph Rafa Gallar), Beach Bunny (ph. Yu Tsai) and Armani Exchange (ph Matthew Scrivens). She was a “Guess Girl” for 3 seasons, embodying its philosophy “Sophisticated. Feminine. Unapologetically sexy.” In 2010 Irina became a face of Armani Exchange spring-summer campaign photographed by Matthew Scrivens. She appeared in such fashion magazines as V magazine, Italian Spanish and Russian Elle, Italian Vanity Fair, Russian Jalouse, View of the times, Woman, French Marie Claire, GQ france, spain, Paris Capitale, German Glamour. The world’s best photographers were working with Irina and admired her beauty and talent: Mariano Vivanco, Peter Beard, Vincent Peters, Tesh, Yu Tsai, Bettina Rheims, Raphael Mazucco, Rafa Gallar, Pamela Hanson, Txema Yeste, Ranjit Grewal, Michael Schultz, Kenneth Willardt, Steve Earle, Riccardo Tinelli, Matt Jones, James Macari and many others. In 2008 Irina appeared in a promotion for the Ryan Leslie single Diamond Girl, and she inspired Ryan for producing a song “I-R-I-N-A”. Irina’s sensual beauty was featured in in Bettina Rheims’ exhibition “Just like a woman”. In 2009 when Irina became the face of Beach Bunny swimwear she made her own design of 2 swimsuts. "Because of my job I have had the opportunity to try on and model thousands of swimsuits. I think that I can design practical and beautiful swimsuits that can be worn by any woman who wants to feel sexy and confident."- says Irina. Her swimsuits have been shot for 2010 Sports Illustrated swimwear issue. She was chosen by a famous make up artist Scott Barnes as a model for his book “About Face” which was out in 2010. Irina was photographed by Peter Beard for his latest book that is out in 2010. 2010 was very important year for Irina – she was on the cover of GQ SA which had a great success, Ocean Drive magazine and had a beautiful shoot for GQ USA. Irina received a lot of attention from press all over the world. Kanye West invited her for the main part in his project “Power” directed by artist Marco Brambilla. In 2010 Irina became the ambassador for Intimissimi. The same year Irina started her charity projects. She always wanted to help children and she is helping a maternity hospital in my home town. The hospital was in a very poor condition and Irina provided money for its renovation and also bought some stuff for abandoned children like furniture, food, diapers. She has several other charity projects and she wants to do my best to help children - in Russia there are a lot of families that can't afford paying the costly medical treatment for their children and Irina wants to draw attention to the problems of such families and help collecting donations for them. Irina’s magnificent body and emerald-green eyes won her the place in many prestigious top rankings. She is the 18th in 20 sexiest models on models.com and the 57th in 100 hottest supermodels on zimbio.com. Irina is very attached to her family which lives in Russia and adores her little niece Irina who was named after her. Irina travels a lot but she resides in NY. She loves animals and has a pet dog Cesare.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.154.27 (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like you are trying to write an article. Please find some standard advice below.

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

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If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation.Template:Z26 TNXMan 19:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has an article on Irina Shayk (the page was created in February 2007). Haploidavey (talk) 23:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Authorization to copy the abstracts from a Journal. How should I manage this information.

I received the authorization from the editor of the "Journal of Medical Biography" to copy (with a reference) the abstracts of his journal to WP:

  From: M Richardson
  To: User:Plindenbaum
  
  Thank you for your enquiry about reproducing Royal Society of Medicine
  Press Ltd copyright material from the Journal of Medical Biography in
  items for wikipedia.
  
  We are happy for you to reproduce abstracts from this journal, provided
  that a suitable form of acknowledgment is given linking them in each
  case to the source, together with the line, 'reproduced by permission of
  The Royal Society of Medicine Press Ltd'.
  
  Unfortunately we are unable to give permission for you to upload any
  pictures or fuller text content.
  
 I hope this answers your question.

• if I get the same kind of authorization from some other academic journals, where should I store this information ?
• if possible, is there a way to avoid the bots to flag the pages as copyvio ?

Thanks, --Plindenbaum (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Follow the procedure set out at WP:IOWN to send the permissions to OTRS. Once received and confirmed, the talk page(s) of the relevant article(s) will be tagged accordingly. Note, however, that permission to use only on Wikipedia is insufficient. There is no mechanism to "store" the material anywhere on Wikipedia. If you are merely citing the journal it must be verifiable, so use of a proper citation template, in this case {{Cite journal}} is recommended. – ukexpat (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!--Plindenbaum (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Where would you use such information? I can't think of any situation where you'd need to cut and paste the whole abstract of an article? --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

@Gameron, you're right, but sometimes an abstract can be a good source to start an article. e.g: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17153285 --Plindenbaum (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Image file won't revert

I'm trying to revert the following image file File:DSC02747.JPG to it's original image, so I can split it, rename both versions, and move them to the commons, but every time I try to revert to the old version, it keeps going back to the new one, and I can't remove the errant revisions. Can somebody fix this problem? ----DanTD (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

On my computer, it's showing the older version rather than the newer version - I'm seeing the Phil-hong version of the image rather than the IRT.BMT.IND one (all 4 of your reverts seemed to have worked from what I can see!) -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunatley, none of them did. All the attempted reverts put the one by IRT.BMT.IND on top, and the three other times I tried to revert it, the one by Phil.hong came before that. ----DanTD (talk) 22:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE - Hmm. Suddenly it went back to the original. Something must've changed. ----DanTD (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Current fundraiser

Hi. Where can I find documentation and statistics regarding this year's fundraiser? Cheers, Randomblue (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC).

Please see m:Fundraising 2010 and the many links off of that page. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

September 3

How Do I Create a Page for a Term Automatically Redirecting to Another Page?

• [Note; discussions on this topic are continuing in another thread below. Regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 05:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)]

I want to create a page for Russell Hantz, who was a contestant on Survivor: Samoa and Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains. Right now, typing Russell Hantz will just redirect you to Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, but I want to create a page that talks about his key moves in both seasons as well as his personal life. How do I create a page for a term that automatically redirects to another page?

RandJshow (talk) 03:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

When you click on Russell Hantz, you'll be redirected to the Survivor article as you mentioned. At the top of that article, you'll see a link (under the Survivor title) back to the RHantz redirect. Click that. You can then edit Hantz's article. Before you do all that though, make sure that Hantz is notable per WP:BIO. Just because he was on the show, that doesn't mean that he deserves his own article. Dismas|^(talk) 03:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Russell Hantz was merged per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz (2nd nomination). Please do not recreate this in articlespace. Instead, create a draft in your userspace— I suggest using the Wikipedia:Article wizard. Once you thing you are done, put it up for Wikipedia:Peer review. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 03:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to confirm so I don't waste a lot of time, I can't create his page the normal way, but if I create it in my userspace and put it up for review, it will be posted if it's approved, right? RandJshow (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

To be honest i think your wasting your time it was recently deleted...But that said you could make it in ---> User:RandJshow/sandbox and after you think its ok simply ask for a peer review... But before that read Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Cite_sources and Wikipedia:References.... Moxy (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You should also read Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability. It is important to be able to show that he meets one of those guidelines. ~~ GB fan ~~ 04:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't we mean Requests for feedback rather than Peer review? – ukexpat (talk) 17:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Historical diff of a moved page

At Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists we are having trouble finding a historical diff for one of the WP:CUP finalists who changed user names during the competition. How can I find historical diffs for Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/Coldplay Expert which has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/White Shadows?

The page history moves when a page is moved so the "history" link works on the new name and I'm not sure what your problem is. Can you be more specific? The history of the original name [4] only shows the move. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

another editor to my account

Hello Wikipedia,

I have recently created an account with Wikipedia. It is frozen now because it gave me a message saying the another editor is editing my page and is asking me if I am the real owner of my account with Wikipedia and I can not edit my page any more.?--E:Y,?:G (talk) 06:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any notice on your talk page advising you that anything has been done to your account. It is possible that you encountered an edit conflict because you and the person posting a welcome message on your talk page were trying to edit that talk page at the same time. This is nothing to worry about and is quite normal. Dismas|^(talk) 06:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not positive, but I think this is more than an edit conflict - normally I would have thought so too, but the bit about asking me if I am the real owner of my account with Wikipedia made me pause. E:Y,?:G, can you paste the exact message you got here (assuming that it occurs again)? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

How to report an abuser coordinator?

Resolved

 – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 04:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The coordinator used what powers he has to force his point of view. How can I get a third party to help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaboha (talk • contribs) 06:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Perusing your contributions, I find no specific mod to which you are referring. For a 3rd opinion, please see WP:3O and follow the directions to list your conflict. However, I strongly suggest you wait till someone responds to you, as I fail to see that a discussion is in progress. Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you have a specific person with whom you are upset? TNXMan 13:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. It is has been resolved.Jaboha (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Dutch Het

Moved to Wikipedia:Reference Desk/Language § Dutch Het

 – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 17:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Discussions moved
♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 17:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I need to know what het means in Dutch. I found it used everywhere and looks to be a definite article. In this instance please: "Usils- genitivus van Usil, Sol, zon (in het Sabijns: Ausel)".Zanzan32 (talk) 08:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC) I've copied this to the Language Reference Desk for you. This Help Desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. Rojomoke (talk) 10:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Google Map

I was thinking of putting onto an article a map of the town where a murder occurred, marking all the key events, i.e. something like this: File:Moors murders map.jpg. Would using a screenshot of the the Google Map to work on break copyright laws? If so are there any other available maps to use, or should I create it myself?--EchetusXe 09:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Google Maps is copyrighted, so you can't use a screenshot of a map in an article like you want. If you want an image with as much detail as File:Moors murders map.jpg, you'll probably have to create your own. Another option (likely with less detail) is to use {{Location map}}. For example:

{{Location map | California
| lat_deg = 34
| lat_min = 4
| lat_sec = 23
| lat_dir = N
| lon_deg = 118
| lon_min = 23
| lon_sec = 58
| lon_dir = W
| label = Label
| alt = Alt label
}}

Label

Label (California)

creates the image on the right. It'll use another template based on the location name (I used "California" so it used Template:Location map California) so make sure that one exists for the area you want in Category:Location map templates. --Mysdaao ^talk 12:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Might I suggest OpenStreetMap? Magog the Ogre (talk) 12:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll use OpenStreetMap, thanks!--EchetusXe 12:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

If you upload your map to Wikimedia Commons (the preferred upload destination, so all the Wikipedias can use your map), put it into Commons:Category:OpenStreetMap maps by placing the Commons:Template:OpenStreetMap template on it. --Teratornis (talk) 04:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Same page, different languages?

I'm sure there is a policy on this some where. I just don't know the answer. I was looking to find the german and spanish term for Raster graphics. I found the english here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphic

I wanted to find the pages in spanish an german but noticed there was no link to the equivalent pages in those languages. Is there a policy of not cross linking between language versions of wikipedia?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A1fico_rasterizado

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastergrafik

If cross linking is allowed I'd love to update that page with the correct links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by STHayden (talk • contribs) 14:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I see links to the equivalent pages listed on the very left-hand side of the page. The links are marked Deutsch and Español. You may also want to look at WP:Interwiki links for more info. TNXMan 14:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• View the left column after clicking on this link. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 18:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

What is the procedure when an RS has not updated their site?

What is Wikipedia's procedure when an RS has not updated their site, though the facts on the ground have changed since they last updated? My question this time regards Scouting. http://www.scout.org/ is the best RS, but infrequently and haphazardly updated, understandably as they are busy running the world's largest youth movement. Per http://www.scout.org/en/about_scouting/facts_figures/census , "There are 6 countries without Scouting." This was true, it is no longer true, they just haven't updated it. Those nations are Andorra, Burma, Cuba, Laos, North Korea and formerly the PRC, however see Scout Association of the People's Republic of China and http://sac.clubspaces.com/Default_css.aspx . How then should we proceed in the face of this? The RS is outdated but it's the most RS.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

PS-per http://www.scout.org/en/around_the_world/countries/scouting_elsewhere , last update was Friday 12 June 2009.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing says that any reliable source is perfect. If two reliable sources contradict each other, editorial judgment is required. This kind of thing is what footnotes are for. Change it to "5", show both sources in the footnote, and note that the update time of the main source lags the inception date of the new scouting organization.—Kww(talk) 16:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• That would be close to a synthesis of available data, and a presumption that what lags/or doesn't lag, is less/or more reliable. The correct method out here would be that as long as the sources are reliable, mention the details given in all sources, even if they are contradictory, and cite the sources appropriately without giving any source undue weight. For future questions on reliable sources, you could post your queries on our reliable sources noticeboard. Feel free to write back here for any additional help on how to use Wikipedia. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 17:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I raised concerns about this being synthesis here some time ago. DuncanHill (talk) 17:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

{{As of}} can be used for potentially dated statements, and the source can sometimes be mentioned in the body of the article when relevant, for example: As of December 2009 there are 6 countries where scouting does not exist to the knowledge of the World Organization of the Scout Movement. (follow with inline reference to [5]) PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

This is a simple math problem, and doesn't approach a WP:OR/WP:SYNTH violation. Certainly the information and contradiction needs to be addressed in a footnote, but this kind of routine discrepancy doesn't rise to the kind of problem that needs to be detailed in the main article.—Kww(talk) 17:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

It's primarily a question of reliable sources. Is a Clubspaces site a reliable source for Wikipedia? DuncanHill (talk) 17:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a valid question. I answered based on the idea that one reliable source contradicted another. If one source is considered substantially less reliable, then the discrepancy should be highlighted in the article text, not placed in a footnote.—Kww(talk) 18:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Standard time zone

If I want to list 'March 3, 2002, 12:56 PM, EST' as a date for when something was published in a reference in the {{Cite web}}, do I need to convert it to a different time zone like UTC? --Devourer09 17:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about the case? I'm not sure what the relevance is. Do you want to include the time of day in the reference? We generally don't do that but there might be a reason in rare situations, for example to let readers know that the source may have other information than was known later in the day. Or do you want to know which date should be given if the date is different for local time of the source and UTC? If the source is dated and the time of day is not important then you should normally just state the date given by the source without specifying a time zone. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason why the time is needed? I generally use just dd Mmmmmmm yyyy when citing websites/news/etc. Unless it is something which changes often within a day, I'm not sure of the need of the time. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• No Devourer, it's not mandatory to convert the time quoted in a reference into UTC. In general, time stamps in citations are more used when one is citing a Wikipedia article. For example (as I notice you have been working on Seduction community), if I were to refer to Seduction community and cite the same with a date plus time stamp, I could use any of the enclosed. Does that answer your query? If not, please write back. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 18:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Gen Joseph Taluto General Commanded Infantry Divition Vew York

Dear Sir, Tell me about Gen Joseph Taluto his current location and contact details. regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.157.217.15 (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Joseph Taluto. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps.Template:Z39 TNXMan 18:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• You should contact the New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs directly. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 19:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

New Listing

Hi, How would I post a new listing on Wikipedia? thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraalfred (talk • contribs) 18:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

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Please note that Wikipedia is not a directory for "listings", it is an encyclopedia containing articles about notable subjects. So please read the links in Tnxman's reply very carefully. – ukexpat (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• Dear Lauraalfred, Kindly do clarify what exactly your question is... In case you wish to introduce a new list in Wikipedia, one should recommend that you read the following three articles thoroughly before embarking upon the exercise->

• Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists
• Wikipedia:Lists
• Wikipedia:Embedded list

Our portal on lists, Portal:Contents/Lists of topics would be an interesting read too. At the same time, in case you wish to write a new article, the first answer above by Tnxman should be an appropriate reference point. Do write back for further support. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 19:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

fullurl and external data

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I want to use the {{{name}}} in fullurl: like this: [{{fullurl:template:abc{{{name}}}|action=edit}}] however, i can't seem to make this work. Is there any other way to make this work?--Hengsheng120 (talk) 20:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You will probably get a quicker response at the techie pump. – ukexpat (talk) 20:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Where do I report hoaxes ?

I think the article on Paulius Galaunė is a hoax, but the edit filter will not let me delete. Anton dvsk (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think it is a hoax? --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes#Dealing with hoaxes and stop deleting random parts of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

There seem to be some web references, but I would think there is some question of WP:NOTABILITY. Perhaps you should propose deletion and see what happens. -- Q Chris (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Seems fairly notable to me. Haploidavey (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

September 4

Need a Translation of Kanji

Moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk/language § Help Desk Query

 – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 04:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Discussions moved
♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 04:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Kanji - Miyazaki The first part of the Kanji, the Surname, says Miyazaki but I don't know what the second part, the First Name, says. So far I've found three possibilities: Miyazaki Shigesaburo Miyazaki Shuichi Miyazaki Takeshi --Arima (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC) The best venue for this would be wp:Reference desk/language, which specialises in er, Language questions!220.101 talk\Contribs03:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC) It's Miyazaki Shigesaburō. Oda Mari (talk) 04:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Nested deletions

Apologies if this is not the correct area for this comment but I could not find any other place to put this point- which in itself represents a comment on the structure of Wikipedia*.

A reference in a TV broadcast led me to make a Google query which directed me to Wikipedia. On arrival I found that the article had been deleted (WP:ONEEVENT) and subsumed into a different article (location of the event) - which had been deleted by someone else, on the grounds that the information was duplicated elsewhere, with a link to a third article (another individual apparently connected with the location in some way), which had in turn been deleted by a third person (under Wp:WP:ONEEVENT), so now no information on any of these headings exists anywhere under any obvious headword, and I still don't know what was going on...

I appreciate the need to delete/consolidate/restructure things but when a headword is deleted please can this be done in a way that avoids loss of information? Here the loss seems to have happened because someone decided that the article on the second individual should be kept and the article on the location deleted, rather than the other way about, then someone else decided that the second person wasn't noteworthy anyway - so there goes the information on the first person

• The reason for looking things up - surely the purpose of any encyclopedia- is usually an attempt to rectify a lack of knowledge.

Given this lack of knowledge of a topic e (a) it's not easy to guess what other heading the (deleted (deleted (deleted))) information may be residing under, if it still exists at all. (b) being told that one can write one's own article on the missing topic is not helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.239.47 (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

No kidding! Acceptably amusing account. Leave a link here. We'll see what can be done. Leaving that, this is the way we operate. Sh#t happens.203.88.8.1 (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

What you should do is tell us what was the original article and what was the secondary article and what was the thirdary article (I just made up that word) and then we can look at the deleted content and see if it should be resurrected. Answer may be for exampe, that the information was unsourced and was contentious and about a living person and should not have been retained in any corner of the encyclopedia. Or it may be that the concatenation of the deletions really led to good content being lost, or something else, or in between. It's very hard to know in the hypothetical.--71.183.175.115 (talk) 02:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is tertiary. Dismas|^(talk) 02:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Many inappropriate things are deleted from Wikipedia and shouldn't be kept in any article. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. It's impossible to evaluate your case without knowing any of the page names or people. There can be more than one reason to delete a page so if a stated reason, for example that the information exists in another article, becomes wrong then it doesn't necessarily mean that the page should be restored. Google takes a varying amount of time to discover deletions and changes at Wikipedia pages. Wikipedia doesn't control Google's update schedule but you can click "cached" on a Google search page to see the page version indexed by Google. You can use Wikipedia's own search function to search names, locations or other things in Wikipedia, but this function also takes time to update for performance reasons. Deleted Wikipedia pages are only visible to administrators. This is partly for legal reasons like possible libel and copyright violations. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Where Should I Post Full Articles to be Reviewed?

• [Note; discussions on this topic are continuing from another thread above. Regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 05:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)]

I'm written an article for Russell Hantz, although previous articles about him have been deleted. This guy is very notable as he won Survivor's "Player of the Season" award in back to back seasons and is considered by many to be the best and most evil person to ever play the game. There are also many other less notable Survivor contestants with Wikipedia pages too. I don't want to make a post about him, just to have it deleted and not be able to do anything about it. Is there a place I can post the full article before I post it on his page? RandJshow (talk) 03:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Looking it over, I can say that the #1 problem with your article is that it does not demonstrate notability. At Wikipedia, it is not enough that a subject's notability be asserted by merely describing their activities, it must be proven by clearly showing that someone outside of Wikipedia, and independant of the subject, has written extensively about it in reliable sources. To break it down another way, before it can survive, the article must clearly show, by use of cited references that people have written books, magazine articles, newspaper articles, etc. about him, and that those writings are considered reliable as defined by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. As it stands now, it looks like the only real info we have comes from the TV show itself, which is not sufficient to establish notability. Please note that, quite often, this is not your fault, and sometimes there can be nothing you can do about this. If there are no books or articles in existance about him, then he's just not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Jayron32 03:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a ton of magazine, newspaper, and internet articles about him. I just didn't originally list them all because I wanted to make sure the article itself was good enough before I spent time adding the references. However, my updated article has the references, so I'm wanting to know where I should post it for review. RandJshow (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Three references is not what I would call "a ton", and three short ones at that. Having is name appear in an article is not the same thing as the article being about him. Have you thought about becoming a contributor at the [Survivor Wiki]? They would likely gladly look forward to your contributions, and they have a very different set of standards than does Wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You can post a note at WP:FEED with a link to the userspace draft and volunteers will look at the article and give their opinion of the article. ~~ GB fan ~~ 04:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Dear RandJShow, kindly use the page User:RandJshow/sandbox for creating your article. Do please note, this is only a temporary sandbox for proving notability of your article, post which, the article may be moved to the mainspace or might be deleted, in case it doesn't qualify on Wikipedia's notability requirements. Once you believe you've edited the article completely, leave a note here or on my talk page and we'll take a look at it and guide you appropriately. Before you create the article, necessarily go through the following articles:

• Our notability guidelines
• Notability guidelines especially for biographies
• Our policy on how to write biographies of living people; this has to be followed to the tee
• Wikipedia's five editing pillars, which you should adhere to always
• Pointers on how to write your first article

If there is any other way you need assistance, feel free to leave a message again. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 05:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2):This sounds familiar. We had a Russell Hantz article which was merged and redirected to Survivor: Samoa, then again in August to Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains. Here is a link to a version of the article that you might wish to compare with yours to see if it is for any reason more likely to be retained.

• I don't know of any particular place a new article can be placed for comment (I may be mistaken, try Wikipedia:Article Incubator). You can create a subpage of your userspace ie. user:RandJshow/Russell Hantz, put it there and and possibly ask for editors to comment. (I see user:Ruhrfisch has already done this for you!)
• You can appeal/ comment etc when a new article is nominated for deletion by the way, depending on the reason ie an Attack page will be nominated and deleted very quickly.
• Had a quick look, and you need more references and in-line citations. Hope this helps. 220.101 talk^\Contribs 04:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help. The current problem with having Russell Hantz redirect to Survivors: Heroes vs. Villains is that readers will learn nothing about his appearance on Survivor: Samoa, arrest, or personal life. Hantz was hated by many, so is it possible his page was deleted from users that just didn't like him? If you look at this page, you can view a list of Survivor contestants with Wikipedia pages about them. Many of their pages have as much or less information than what the deleted Russell article had, so I'm not sure why it makes sense to delete his but keep theirs. RandJshow (talk) 05:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Don't worry about all that. Simply follow the steps lined out above. If I believe your article qualifies on our notability guidelines, it would be transferred to the mainspace. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 05:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the other contestants articles or at your RH article either. But... WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you with figuring out why other articles exist while yours does not (yet). Dismas|^(talk) 06:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I just posted the article on the Russell Hantz page. Everything posted came from the show or the 3 references I listed. If it needs more references or better quality of references, let me know. I'll improve the formatting of the page once it's approved. Also, the "h" in his last name needs to be capitalized in the title, but I'm not sure how to do that. Thanks.

RandJshow (talk) 06:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I am gravely sorry about this (I know you worked very hard on the article), but as mentioned above, consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz (2nd nomination) (a mere month ago) lay in merging the content and redirecting. That's it. Russell Hantz was protected indefinitely, so you can do absolutely nothing about that. I suggest you find a more worthy topic about which to write. Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Huh? He can't still go through WP:DELREV? Dismas|^(talk) 07:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

That's absolutely ridiculous. First of all, I asked about that protection yesterday and was told I may have a chance of getting my article posted. Can I at least try to appeal this again? He's probably the most famous Survivor contestant ever, so to allow other Survivor and reality show contestants their own Wikipedia page but not him makes no sense at all.

RandJshow (talk) 07:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

There have been a couple of suggestions above as to how to proceed. I suggested you leave a note at WP:FEED providing a link to the copy of the article in your userspace so that others can review the article and maybe provide feedback as to how to make it so that it doesn't get deleted or redirected again. Someone else recommended the WP:INCUBATOR. That is another place where other editors can comment on or improve the article before it makes it to the mainspace. Both suggestions will allow editors who are use to improving articles the chance to look at it, comment on it and improve on it. ~~ GB fan ~~ 07:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I just left a note on the WP:FEED. Is there any chance he'll get his own page by doing this or should I just give up? I REALLY think he deserves his own Wikipedia page and it makes no sense that he doesn't, but I don't want to waste a lot of time just to find out there's nothing I can do that will help since it's protected indefinitely.

RandJshow (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, RandJ, it was strongly suggested that you put the article up at WP:FEED days ago and you didn't. You marched right on past the recommendations by more experienced editors and replaced the redirect with your version of the article. An article that you were told would need more than the three references that you supplied even though you said that there were "a ton". And now, only after having the redirect protected indefinitely have you put the article up at WP:FEED. Please, next time, listen to what people are trying to tell you more carefully.

Indefinitely doesn't mean forever though. If you do supply evidence that he is notable, yes, there's a good chance that the article can be reinstated. But you'll have to demonstrate that evidence. Dismas|^(talk) 08:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

GBfan, I actually didn't start working on this until yesterday (not days ago), and you told me to do a Peer Review. After I did the Peer Review, they deleted it because that wasn't the correct place to post full articles. After that, I was told to post the article on Russell's page, so I did, but that was deleted right away. I was then told there's nothing I can do to post the article, but now you're saying there is.

Please, don't get mad at me for listening to people that are telling me to do the wrong thing.

RandJshow (talk) 08:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

And even then, at Peer Review, you were advised: I can tell you that the draft contains no (zero) references and needs them to prove notability. The article also reads like a fan club page now - it goes into way too much detail. (emphasis added by me) Dismas|^(talk) 09:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The first thing I mentioned above the article in the Peer Review was that I wanted to know if this person seemed notable based on the content I wrote, and if so, I'll add the references later.

Also, the article was unbiased, so I don't know why that person said it was like a fan club page. I did however shorten it to make it easier to read.

Right now, I listed 3 references, not counting the fact that most of the information about him came from the 2 seasons he appeared on Survivor. If all I need to do is add more references to make him seem more notable, I can do that without a problem.

Let's not play the blame game anymore. I just want to get my article posted with as little trouble as possible.

RandJshow (talk) 09:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, there is not going to be any easy way to do this. You need to show that he is notable according to general notability or {biography specific guidelines. They way to do that is to add reliable sources to the draft in your userspace that show he has had significant coverage in multiple sources. When you think you have shown that he meets those notability guidelines then when other editors look at it, if they agree with you, it can be moved on top of the protected redirect. Once an article is deleted or redirected by WP:AFD it takes more work to get it recreated. ~~ GB fan ~~ 09:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The AfD had sufficient consensus to merge and redirect. It was almost unanimous, save for one keep vote. Chances of overturning the close are slim. Protector of Wiki (talk) 21:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the people who voted on merging saw the show and just hated him, because their reasons for it are ridiculous. They say he's done nothing notable outside of the last season he was on, even though he was on for 2 seasons and won Player of the Season both times, changed the future of Survivor, had an arrest that got a lot of coverage, and owns some successful companies. If they're going to use that reasoning, they might as well merge Obama with Presidents as he's done nothing notable outside of his presidency. They'll also need to spend time merging the thousands of other less notable reality show contestants to the show they were on.

If I'm going to spend more time on this, is there a chance I'll deal with people that may have their head screwed on straight? If not, can you have them spend time merging every Survivor contestant from this list with the season they were on?

RandJshow (talk) 22:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I also made a post to the WP:Feed earlier, but haven't heard anything back about it. I don't see anybody else with a response from their requests either. Does anybody even provide help there or am I looking in the wrong place?

RandJshow (talk) 22:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

(Disclaimer: As an outside observer, I haven't read the full discussion) Please calm down. You're edging on WP:NPA. If you're going to write an article that has already been deleted, try to review the reasons for deletion (for example, non-notability, since Survivor is in general a non-notable show) and make sure to address those concerns when making the article. First try to develop your ideas for the article in your sandbox. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I sound more upset than I am. I just feel their reasoning is extremely unfair. Why allow thousands of other less notable reality show contestants their own page but not him? He has more Survivor fans than any other contestant on the show and many of them probably come on here to learn more about him but are unable to. How does it even hurt if he has his own page? Worst case scenario, the reader would learn about the 2 seasons he appeared on the show, but that's not the case. I've already spent a lot of time on the article, but I don't want to do everything I can to prove these people wrong on why he should have his own page, just to have to them come up with another ridiculous reason to delete his page.

RandJshow (talk) 22:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Beg for mercy, Other crap exists. Frankly, voters at the AfD had solid reasoning to redirect the article. Russell Hantz is notable only for his participation at Survivor, allowing WP:ONEEVENT to apply. Once again I suggest you waste no more time on this arguing, because your effort is futile. You may continue making false allegations, but they aren't going to help your case. Protector of Wiki (talk) 23:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Either you all haven't seen the show or just hate his guts. He clearly wasn't just a participant, he won $100,000 award twice for being America's favorite player and changed the future of the show forever. There's probably tons of people coming on this site to learn more about him, but are unable to. All they can learn about him from his redirect is his season from Heroes vs. Villains, even though he was also on Samoa, so the WP:ONEEVENT shouldn't even apply. And that's not even counting his arrest that got a ton of coverage.

All I'm just trying to do is provide information to people who want to learn more about Russell Hantz. I didn't come hear to argue. If you all want to block information that much of the public would like to learn about, that's your right, but please don't lie and accuse me of making false allegations when I clearly haven't made any. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RandJshow (talk • contribs) 23:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Why not improve the article and show this guy is notable, instead of moaning about how unfair it is? And if you believe there are articles about "less notable reality show contestants", why not improve them too or propose them for deletion? Astronaut (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, but everyone here is either giving me bad advice or telling me there's absolutely nothing I can do.

I don't actually think other reality show contestants should have their pages deleted. I love learning about their personal lives. I just don't see how it makes sense how people who appear on a reality show once and don't even win anything can have a page about them, but not someone who makes it to the end of a show and wins the "Player of the Season" award and $100,000 twice.

RandJshow (talk) 23:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

News front-page suggestions

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 – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ ^{♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣} 04:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Naive question... but where do the discussions about the news section of the Main page go on? Shadowjams (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Click on the discussion tab for the main page. In that big box at the top of the page it says to put suggestions for ITN at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Dismas|^(talk) 04:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Facepalm Thanks. Shadowjams (talk) 04:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. We've all done it. Dismas|^(talk) 05:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Scientific papers

Is there a place for scientific papers such as Low dimensional chaos in stellar pulsations and Stellar pulsation theory – Regular versus irregular variability in Wikipedia, or do they violate the no original research policy? Astronaut (talk) 07:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Panorama picture

Hi, I translated this article to put it in English WP and intend to use the same panorama picture in the same way. I tried several methods to let it show the same size without success. Can someone help? Regards, --Spartanbu (talk) 07:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Try this markup: {{wide image|Panorma_Jerusalem_vomHospiz_JPEG.jpg|750px|Jerusalem: A city of two nations with neighborhoods, buildings and holy sites of all three Abrahamic religions.}}. It displays the below image.

Jerusalem: A city of two nations with neighborhoods, buildings and holy sites of all three Abrahamic religions.

Astronaut (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Astronaut --Spartanbu (talk) 07:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

New articles which were redirects

Wikipedia seems to have problems detecting that a new article is a new article if it was converted from a redirect. They dont appear on NEW PAGES and last time i checked any new articles i converted from a redirect werent recorded against my user name in my user stats as being new articles created by me. Also is {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} (currently 6,866,906) accurate ? Does it allow for conversions from redirects to new articles ? --Penbat (talk) 07:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

If a redirect is converted to an article, this is seen by the Wiki software as a straight forward edit - you are changing [[#REDIRECT xxxx]] to other text. As such, it does not become a new page - it is still the old page, but with new content. Also, as far as I am aware, the number of articles includes all "former redirects" - when #REDIRECT is removed, it is no longer an redirect but an article -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

In which case new articles converted from redirects, as they dont seem to appear on NEW PAGES, arnt subject to the scrutiny of new page patrol that new articles do. It seems like a good wheeze to set up a redirect then later replace it with some sort of garbage article (such as a hoax or spam or BLP violation) and there is a fair chance it wont get detected as garbage for a while at the very least.--Penbat (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually it looks like redirect to article has just now very recently become detectable by Wiki software as i did one a few days ago and it included a "(Redirect becoming article)" edit summary see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Institutional_abuse&action=history MediaWiki:Tag-Redirect becoming article-description--Penbat (talk) 10:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

"intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options for finding section titles ?

I find the "intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options (as in intitle:"search phrase" and lookfrom:"search phrase") to be very useful to find articles relating to a subject of interest.

However it would also be useful if i could look for section titles within articles using "intitle" and "lookfrom" rather than just article titles. I bet there are plenty of sections tucked away which would be of interest to me and i might llke to link to.

If it isnt possible with standard Wiki software, perhaps somebody could do a couple of searches for me on my behalf using specialist Wiki software.--Penbat (talk) 08:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

This is probably best discussed either at the Village Pump, or a "bug" reported at Wikimedia's bugzilla -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

thx --Penbat (talk) 10:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

SAFE DRINKING WATER

i WANT STANDARD/SPECIFICATIONS FOR SAFE DRINKING WATER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.101.118 (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 TNXMan 15:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

statistics support

Can somebody help? Thx, Hæggis (talk) 16:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Pictures sizes within body of an article

Does the MOS or other policy say anything about the size of pictures in an article text? Pritish Nandy Communications is gaining quite a few pictures and besides making it look like a glossy advert, they break up the text. Should they be smaller? --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement may be relevant. The guideline states that 'Articles that use more than one image should present a variety of material near relevant text', implying images should not be purely decorative. I think it would be acceptable to remove one or two from that article. Intelligentsium 18:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

How can I reduce the size of pictures? --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The image syntax should be something like [[File:Imagename.jpg|thumb|XXXpx|An optional comment or caption.]] (not necessarily in that order), where 'XXX' is a number. By making 'XXX' smaller or larger, you can make the image smaller or larger, respectively. If there is no parameter 'XXX', you can add one at any point after the file name. Intelligentsium 21:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I was going to say the images should use the default size defined in the user's preferences, but they already do that (ie. there is "thumb" and "left"/"right" but no "...px" in the markup for the images). However, such copyrighted images as the movie posters should not be used simply to illustrate the article about the production company, I've removed them. Astronaut (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

PRINT TOO LARGE

When pulling up Wikipedia, the print is really HUGE!!! Other sites and windows I pull up are not like this, so I figure maybe it's a wikipedia issue?

If you have info on how to reduce the print on my laptop for your site, please tell me how.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.125.22.142 (talk) 22:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

This issue is most likely on your side; Wikipedia should not be displaying a large font. Have you tried scrolling your mouse wheel back whilst holding Ctrl? Intelligentsium 22:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You can press Ctrl+0 to return to the normal font size, or Ctrl+- to decrease the font size. Protector of Wiki (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

If that doesn't work, it may be a problem with your cache. See Wikipedia:Bypassing your cache. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)