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Apparently, someone disagreed with them. Int21h (talk) 22:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

This was undeleted per request from DES ^(talk). So thank you DES. Int21h (talk) 21:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Federalism in Iraq

Hi Int21h, I saw that you placed a PROD tag on Federalism in Iraq because it's been merged into Federal government of Iraq. Although the old article doesn't need to be kept, it actually should not be deleted either. If you merge one article into another, simply replace the obsolete article with a redirect to the new one. This is easier and faster, since it doesn't require an administrator to perform the action. Also, it preserves the edit history at the old article, which is required under the GFDL, the license used by Wikipedia. --Reuben (talk) 09:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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Ok, it's been done. Int21h (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Business Method Patents

I see that you are cruising all of the business method patent articles. Anything in particular you are looking for? It's something of a specialty of mine.--Nowa (talk) 03:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

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Int21h, thank you for taking the time to comment on WT:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. I am glad you also see how important this guideline will be, since it will determine the inclusion or exclusion of television character and television episodes. Like you, I have really strong views about this too. Ikip (talk) 01:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Executive Office of President Seal

Just a quick thank you, for putting the correct seal up for the EOP office. I had looked for it and had no luck....obviously hadn't looked hard enough! Benny45boy (talk) 08:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Sacramento County Sheriff's Department move

As the person who initiated the moves, I am taking the liberty of replying before SGT141. As was stated in the move summary, consensus was reached at the Law Enforcement Wikiproject to change the previous method of disambiguation of US law enforcement agency articles. The reason this article was moved was (because the majority of US LEA articles are still redlinks) every state list of law enforcement agencies, such as List of law enforcement agencies in California was edited to reflect the new disambiguation method where the state is added in brackets after the agency name. Therefore, some agencies have been disambiged where they might not have been before. If you feel that Sacramento County Sheriff's Department (California) should be moved back, and given that there are no other agencies with that name, I see no reason why it shouldn't be. ninety:one 14:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not that fussed, but if you want to move it back I'll happily debate the issue properly via the article talk page. I can only apologise for what might have looked like a less-then-perfect attitude on the part of SGT141, I am sure he didn't mean it that way... ninety:one 20:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I have already moved it back once before. And already started a section on the talk page, which was apparently not seen. I direct you to Talk:Sacramento County Sheriff's Department#Page move. Int21h (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry if you took what I said to someone else the wrong way. Nothing personal was directed toward you. And, by the way, the "personality disorder' remark was directed at myself! Again, sorry if I was indelicate.SGT141 (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No harm done. :) Int21h (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't see where you have moved the page, but I do see the talk page entry and I apologise. I have tried to explain a little further on the WP. 20:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

A little over a year ago (in April 2008) a day or so after I reverted the move. Int21h (talk) 20:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

War Powers Resolution

(2/3 * X) + (2/3 *Y) = 2/3 (X+Y), is true for mathematics. But a veto override doesn't work exactly like that. It needs a 2/3rds of both and houses, not just 2/3 of Congress as a whole. For example If the House votes for 100% (435-0) and the Senate votes against 0% (0-100), then it's 435-100, which is more than 2/3, but won't override a veto. —Markles 19:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

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Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

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• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

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3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

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DYK for Coleman v. Schwarzenegger

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Politics of Iraq

Hey Int, please provide edit summaries--I think I see what you're working on, but a grand removal of references always raises eyebrows. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

National Broadband Plan

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Public Domain. Int21h (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Redirected to Connecting America: The National Broadband Plan. I created this article immediately after the announcement of the plan, using the plan's full name. "The National Broadband Plan" isn't very specific since any nation could have such a plan. I made sure to include in my article the distinctive content you contributed to the shorter article when you were unaware of mine. I saw no reason to replace my introduction with yours, but anyone can certainly change my introduction to something better.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I see you've looked at my article. Thanks.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you seem to just be fixing your own work. But I guess that means you approve of mine. Time will tell.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Whether I approve or not is irrelevant. The relevant part is that you made an edit (a redirect in this case) in good faith, and since your article predates my stub there is no reason to suggest your edits are incorrect. Int21h (talk) 20:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I probably should have asked someone, but when I found the article I used as a source today I had forgotten what the heck I called my article. So I went on a hunt that showed me there was a place where I should have directed people to my article, and now it does. I knew there didn't need to be a duplicate, and I made sure anything from yours was covered in mine.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The only problem with the current article's title is its long and its not the common name here in the states. Many people are likely to wikilink to National Broadband Plan. But there are articles that don't have anyone expanding them and I really don't care at the moment, so I will leave that discussion for later. :) Int21h (talk) 05:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I used the official title I found in one of the sources. I've changed it once because another source used another official title. I suppose it's something we can discuss, but "National Broadband Plan" will be useless in any other country.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Useless? See the Department of Trade and Industry. The title is not useless outside the UK. Notice that since it is the most common meaning when someone mentions "Department of Trade and Industry", it gets the title, even though there is a "Department of Trade and Industry" in the Philippines. My guess is that the National Broadband Plan will not redirect to a disambiguation page but to this article because the other plans are not named as such; in which case I say the article be renamed. Even if there is a similarly named plan, the article could be named as such as the most common meaning of the term. Or rename it National Broadband Plan (United States) if you wish to pre-disambiguate, but people will likely not pre-disambiguate their wikilinks (me included), so there is sure to be alot of redirects. Unfortunately when your the biggest English speaking country in the world, or England, you tend to dominate the English namespace. Int21h (talk) 15:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

If you don't think other countries' plans will be called "National Broadband Plan", I can accept that. "National Broadband Plan (United States)" seems like a good idea. I'll throw it out there.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Continuing archived discussions

Quick note, I replied to your post at Help_talk:Archiving_a_talk_page#ongoing_discussions_and_how_to_continue_an_.22archived.22_discussion. -- œ^™ 14:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge to Palestinian territories

Hey, I just saw your post on the merge discussion. To be honest, I can't think of an admin I know who I would feel comfortable asking to make such a merge. Most of the admins I have encountered are cowards when it comes to Israli-Arab issues and to be blunt, don't have the balls to make controversial actions. Is there an official way to ask an uninvolved admin to merge articles once consensus is established, which it has been? If you can show me where to do it, I'll be happy to get it done. Breein1007 (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Fuck... I have no idea. The whole Palestine issue is a fucking mess. Int21h (talk) 21:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Final court of appeal in Jamaica

I responded to your edits at Talk:Judiciary of Jamaica. Your edits were fine given the Sheehan and Black book, but unfortunately, the authors got it wrong in this case. If you don't agree, let's discuss it at the article talk page. Thanks for your work on this topic, which needs a lot more attention. --Amble (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I realize you think so, but when you and a reliable source disagree, well, the reliable source wins. Please find a reliable source to back your claims. Int21h (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Eh, that came off kind of terse... Int21h (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

edit summaries

Hey, don't forget to include edit summaries. 0¹⁸ (talk) 23:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010

nice accomodative edit, feel free to add a "post-election controversy" if you want to. (it seems you wanted to put fraud under controversies)Lihaas (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Not necessary as of yet; it would be the only subsection, and that is uncommon for that topic. Int21h (talk) 07:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to delete Federal taxation in the United States

I have tagged the article Federal taxation in the United States as proposed for deletion. Your prior discussions with User:Morphh indicate that most of the article was copied from Taxation in the United States. While I agree that the topic is of sufficient length and notability that it could be a separate article, I believe the needs of the community are better served with a single article. Further, trying to maintain two high level articles, one of which is merely a subset of the other, will impose too great an editing burden and lead to many errors and contradictions. I believe the Federal taxation article should be no more than a redirect to Taxation in the United States. I have proposed that the WP:Taxation group undertake a major overhaul of the Taxation article. I invite you to help with that effort, which will require lots of help. Comments welcome on my talk page or the Federal tax article talk page. Thanks. Oldtaxguy (talk) 23:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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You've been away from the discussion you started on renaming Palestine, I think me and Alinor have come to a compromise of Palestine linking to Palestine (disambiguation) but the third man involved in discussions (NightW) refuses to allow any compromise, please give your thoughts on the talk page. thanks, Passionless (talk) 14:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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January 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Honduran Council of Private Enterprise, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Ok, I see you added a bit, but please don't remove speedy deletion templates from articles you've created. I'll hold off for a while in the hope that this becomes a good article! I suggest adding citations to reliable sources about this organization, as third party mentions are needed to satisfy WP:N. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Happy editing. Zachlipton (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I removed it on purpose. I usually don't, but the article clearly does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. Int21h (talk) 22:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you for your response to the article talkpage. I stand corrected on my original assessment. The CSD tag has been removed and I apologize for my initial error. Happy editing. My76Strat 00:46, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I made a suggestion on the article talk p: since this was according to the sources one of a number of very similar cases ruled on simultaneously, it might be better to write an article on the group, though I am not sure how to title it, and make redirects from the individual case names. As a single district court ruling, this one may not be notable on its own. DGG ( talk ) 01:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Have at it. I just wanted it off my Sandbox. The article referenced mention some other cases, but I don't think they have made it as far. It seems to be one of the only cases regarding the wiretapping scandal to have made it to a successful judgment. Int21h (talk) 01:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Government and Executive of Kosovo

Ah, I see now. Thanks. The Government of Kosovo article was confusing me. =p TheArchaeologist Say Herro 19:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Awesome. Thank you. Int21h (talk) 17:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

RM alert

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RFC on the inclusion of a table comparing SI units and Binary prefixes

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Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act

damn fine work Decora (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

RM alert

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Bob Black

The article is an abysmal vanity piece. Agree with comments on discussion page. Will continue with slow-motion repairs, but some help might be handy.Borgmcklorg (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks . . .

. . . for the edit on MBSs. Much easier to follow! -- Jo3sampl (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

And thanks again for "The trust securitizes the pools by issuing mortgage-backed securities". -- Jo3sampl (talk) 18:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Gun-free school zones act

Greetings, Int21h. Recently you renamed "Gun-Free School Zones Act" to "Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990". However not long ago there was a discussion which resulted in the opposite decision. You can see that at Talk:Gun-Free School Zones Act#Requested move. Check it out. Based on that, I think it would be best to put the article back the way it was. (If you reply here I will see what you say.) — Mudwater ^(Talk) 09:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Int21h, now that we've reached a consensus on the naming of the GFSZA article, would you please remove the "1995" from the filename of the ATF letter contained on the page to avoid any confusion. This was something I (mistakenly) put in when I uploaded it. Thanks, MoonOwl2010 (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. What does Mudwater say though? Int21h (talk) 17:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

He hasn't said anything, please remove the "1995" from the file name of the ATF letter. MoonOwl2010 (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Int21h? Are you still reading this? Please rename the ATF letter file on the Gun Free School Zones Act article by removing the "1995" from the file name. MoonOwl2010 (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The Official Secrets Act 1989

Hello. I have reverted this edit that you made to the article above.

You should not treat a statement that a provision of an Act of Parliament says something as being unsourced unless you have looked at a printed copy of the Act, such as this one here (which was linked to in the article), and the printed copy of the Act says something different.

Since there is a vast industry devoted to republishing Acts of Parliament, both in the public and private sector, I have no doubt that the section in question is notable.James500 (talk) 17:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message.

I have no problem with putting a summary/introduction/overview at the top of the article. I just don't think that the entire article should be turned into a summary.

My intention was to expand the existing sections of the article and then put a summary at the top in addition to the detailed information below it.

I also think that any summary should probably be written from scratch, because the original content of this article was somewhat inaccurate and I am still in the process of trying to fix it.James500 (talk) 21:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have made two revisions here that I think will make you happy. I have inserted two new headings "genaral information" and "specific provisions of this Act" and regrouped the existing sections of the article under them. I am sorry, but until a few minutes ago, I honestly could not understand what you were asking me to do.James500 (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

This is indeed what I was looking for. Excellent. Int21h (talk) 01:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Extent of the Official Secrets Act 1989

Thank you for your message. I am afraid that it does not make a great deal of sense to me but I shall try to answer as best as I can.

I think that the effect of section 15(2) is that the Act extends to the United Kingdom, subject to any Order made under section 15(3). I think that certain offences under the Act committed in the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and the colonies are cognisable as offences under the law of the United Kingdom by section 15(1)(b). I do not think that any of the offences under the Act are cognisable as offences under the law of any of those places (i.e. in the local courts) because the Act does not extend to those places. I think that those places either have their own secrecy laws (I think this is the case in Jersey at least), or the effect of section 16(5) is that section 2 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 is still in force in those places.

I also think that both "extent" and "jurisdiction" are terms of art and that you are misapplying them.

(An Order was made under section 15(3) for the former colony of Hong Kong, but I have not determined if is still in force.)James500 (talk) 09:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message.

I think that jurisdiction, in this context, is the ability to try the offence. I think the ability to commit an offence is called "capacity" and I have added that word as a heading by making this edit. Is that acceptable? James500 (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, in as much as there is a section heading for significantly related items. I think it should be named something else, as I have never seen "Capacity" used as a section heading in legal articles, but this is a minor issue. Int21h (talk)

"Capacity" is used as a cross heading in the 1999 edition of Archbold Criminal Pleading, Evidence and Practice at para 18-12 (which relates to the capacity of a person to aid and abet a crime they cannot commit as a principal) and, IIRC, as the title of a chapter in the twelf edition of the textbook "Card, Cross and Jones Criminal Law" (which, IIRC, contains, in particular, a discussion of the capacity for crime of children, insane persons and corporations). James500 (talk) 12:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Lay judges in Sweden

I think you have answered my question. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 22:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo and control

Well, I am not that knowledgeable of the situation to have a distinct opinion but I can agree with you on many accounts. The only thing I tend to disagree is the assertion that Serbian civilian institutions are in control of Northern Kosovo. Here I take that Serbian civilian institutions means civilian institutions of Republic of Serbia. --biblbroks (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, my guess is that no, Serbian officials do not officiate, but that things are conducted in the name of Serbia, not the name of the Republic of Kosovo or EULEX. For example, I think there are elected Serbian officials operating in the area. Int21h (talk) 21:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I am not denying that. I am just wondering do those Serbian officials have real control. Or are there/they instead some Northern Kosovo officials who have more control? --biblbroks (talk) 14:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The Republic police are not recognized as such, and were violently confronted when they tried to assert control, then left; EULEX manages policing AFAIK. Serbian elections are held there, and I would assume run local municipal government structures to the extent that Republic officials run local municipal government structures in the rest of the area. I will see if I can find info. Int21h (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

But even if it is so that doesn't mean that Republic of Serbia has control over those "government structures". Consider only the recent border crossing issues. --biblbroks (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

On that point I must disagree. They are elected officials, elected in the name of Serbia, under the Serbian law of a Serbian government, and operate thereunder. Control by these officials would imply control by Serbia. The only question in my mind is whether or not these (local Serbian) officials actually have control. The border crossings are all controlled by EULEX, from what the EULEX officials are saying. I heard a EULEX official say that EULEX officers man all border crossings, so the spat is probably about the presence or involvement of Republic officials. Int21h (talk) 17:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. I have noticed this edit that you made to the above article. What is the source of the name "Slanderous Reports Act 1275"? I am not aware of a short title having been given to that chapter and the article Statute of Westminster 1275 does not say what the source is either. James500 (talk) 09:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This is the short title given to it on the Wikisource page; I have no reliable sources giving any of these short titles. The long titles are from a book titled "The Statutes at Large from the Magna Carta to the End of the Last Parliament, 1761", volume 1, by Owen Ruffhead, published around 1763. I have edited that article to remove the unconfirmed short title. Int21h (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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If the lovina acquired a pool at a premium (>100), as is common for higher coupons then they are at risk for prepayment. If the purchase price was 105, the investor loses 5 cents for every dollar that's prepaid, possibly significantly decreasing the yield. This is likely to happen as holders of higher-coupon MBS have good incentive to refinance.

I tried to look up "lovina" -- no joy -- and then found that someody had already asked about the word on the talk page. Could you clarify or correct the article? -- Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 00:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I have ignored those sections. They are holdovers from the poorly written version before I had a go at it. They discuss MBS-specific pricing theory; coupon rates, yield, etc. Many of the examples are likely OR, but may have use for someone who is familiar with the area, so I, as a rule, do not challenge it. Int21h (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Int21h (talk) 17:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Counties in California

Hello, and thanks for all your recent work on California county governments. These are excellent articles. I just have one problem, which is the wording of the opening paragraph about the relationship between county and city governments. You are using this description:

Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, while the governments of incorporated municipalities such as the city of Stockton and the city of Tracy provide additional, often non-essential services. The county government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, and public health. In addition it is the local government for all unincorporated areas, and provides services such as law enforcement to some incorporated cities under a contract arrangement.

I don't think it's accurate to describe the services provided by cities as "additional" or as "often non-essential". The cities provide things like law enforcement and public safety, as well as libraries, parks and recreation, planning and zoning, utilities, trash collection, etc. These are hardly "non-essential" services. Before I saw that you were using the same wording in many articles, I changed the wording in the San Diego County article. I replaced those three sentences with

Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments such as the Government of San Diego County. The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as the city of San Diego and the city of Chula Vista provide their own law enforcement, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning, and similar services. Other incorporated cities have some or all of these services provided by the County under a contract arrangement.

Let's agree between ourselves how to word the San Diego County article, and then use similar wording in all the articles. Is that OK with you? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 04:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Now that I reread it I think we should drop "law enforcement" from the County responsibilities. The County provides law enforcement only in unincorporated areas. --MelanieN (talk) 04:04, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's a correct analysis and solution. Sheriffs have jurisdiction countywide, while peace officers (police officers in general) have statewide jurisdiction for police duties. As deputies of an elected county government official (the Sheriff), they have responsibilities to the citizens of the county, including those who voted for him that may be in an incorporated city. As I understand it, they just pass the buck in those areas for any reason possible for operational and budgetary issues, but they still can. Many things like foreclosing your house are done by the Sheriff, not police, even if its in the city. Int21h (talk) 04:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

You're saying that the county is responsible for police services unless they choose to pass the buck to the cities? I don't think that's correct. I think police services are one of the responsibilities of a chartered city, which they can contract out to the county. The Orange County website says that explicitly: "Many cities in Orange County have their own police department; however, others choose to contract law enforcement services with the County."[1] --MelanieN (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course change it. It probably propagated from information from the original sources. I think those analytic introduction sentences without referrences are obvious candidates for copyediting. (IOW go ahead I am not attached to any material I added that wasn't referrenced; if it was referrenced, that's different.)

As for my reasoning, in short: because counties already can, and often do, provide them countywide. I justify it as cities are merely corporations, albeit with governmental powers, while counties are actually actually government entities that California only refers to as "subdivisions". Pursuant to this configuration, as i understand it, cities (like many special districts) can create Police Departments within their jurisdiction, but the county was already providing that service, this service is merely overriden or supplemented. (Since all land must be part of a county, and all counties must have Sheriffs.) Those other services you mentioned are also provided by the county and various special districts, as can be seen in any unincorporated area in any county in California. Some counties provide services commenserate with cities, like garbage collection, while others don't. And cities can overrule the county in some situations, others it can't.. But the main argument is that those services already were, or at least could have been, provided by the county.

These are early versions. Each county and city relationship may be unique; I really don't know the law. But I felt something needs to said relating the overlapping levels of government. Int21h (talk) 04:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree something needs to be said about this subject. I'll see if I can find something in California law that spells out the responsibilities of a county vs. the responsibilities of a chartered city (chartered cities are also a creation of the state). Thanks for your willingness to talk about this. --MelanieN (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's some info about law enforcement: According to this [2], policing is specifically the responsibility of the cities, per California's constitution. "The 1879 Constitution has two significant aspects. First, it gave affirmative grants of authority to cities, including the police and charter city powers, which remain in place today. The police power allows cities to make and enforce all local, police, sanitary and other regulations not in conflict with state law." --MelanieN (talk) 16:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

No, they both have police powers. Because cities do does not mean the Sheriffs don't anymore. Opinion No. 97-1006 of the California Attorney General: "The jurisdiction of a sheriff to investigate crimes extends throughout the county, including incorporated cities. (8 Ops.Cal.Atty.Gen. 149, 150-151 (1946).) The fact that a sheriff has concurrent jurisdiction with a city police chief within the boundaries of a city does not diminish the authority of the sheriff. (People v. Scott (1968) 259 Cal.App.2d 268, 280; 8 Ops.Cal.Atty.Gen., supra, 150.)" There is alot of info in that link, I will probably use it as ref. Int21h (talk) 21:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC) Int21h (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

And your proposed solution to add this text to all county articles runs up against some problems. First, what services a city provides in addition or in lieu of the county is variable; unlike a county, they have full control over their structure and don't have to create for example a police force, as is obviously the case in these "law enforcement contract cities". And what of those cities, for example in Los Angeles County, that may not provide library, parks and recreation, or zoning functions? (Instead, in many cases, leaving these service to special districts.) As I understand, there is no law that says cities must have those services; less like a county with those services I listed, which the California Statutes and Constitution mandates they have, called "local mandates". Int21h (talk) 00:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Without getting too deep into the weeds, I think we could use a generic comment like this for most California counties - with or without names of specific cities as examples:

Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, some law enforcement functions, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as (example) and (example) provide their own police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning, and similar services. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.

Would something like this work, or what wording would you suggest? --MelanieN (talk) 01:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Literally the only wrong is we have to analyze each of those example cities to see what services they provide. I have just been picking the largest by population or area, and otherwise notable cities, because such a procedure is fast and does not block. We may not really know what services each example city provides, so as we get into smaller counties with city governments that are not well understood, it will be a block to submission of a stub article. This block is significant over many articles. I think leaving the city services unspecified but exemplified unless the services provided is known:

Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, libraries, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as (example) and (example) provide services such as police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.

And, in my opinion, the sheriff provides most law enforcement services, but the "most" should be left out of the introduction so if details come to light about how important or significant they are the introduction doesn't need to be haggled over. The word "functions" is superfluous. So really, yes, what you said, but without qualifying which law enforcement functions, and using "provide services such as" instead of "provide", and pretty close to what I originally had.

As I see it, the only difference between your edits and mine is that

• you suppose county-provided law enforcement is somehow diminished in cities, or does not provide fundamental law enforcement, which isn't true for every county. if its actually true, then OK. But its less likely than the default: that the "jurisdiction of a sheriff to investigate crimes extends throughout the county"
• you suppose what services are provided is a known fact for each example city government

The first I just disagree with and think should be left to those articles, and the second is a "go ahead -- if you know". Int21h (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, I think we're in agreement. The "examples" can simply be omitted (and probably should be) for smaller counties or other cases where it isn't obvious or worthwhile to find examples to cite. I think we might add the modifier "municipal" to the type of services cities provide. If that's OK let's go with it:

Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered cities such as (example) and (example) provide municipal services such as police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, and zoning. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.

Are we good? Thanks for working this out! --MelanieN (talk) 03:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. :) Your welcome! Int21h (talk) 03:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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