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October 31

Brookline College

Can someone take a look at Brookline College. It is a private for-profit school that does offer degrees. Based on that, it apparently would probably survive AFD (WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES). Yet it is unreferenced (one dead link and one primary source (its own website). I can't find any other independent coverage. The article was very promotional. I already removed a lot of material. The "accreditation" still needs to be pruned to a summary, but I didn't do that. What would be left isn't much. Tag it as a unreferenced stub? Any other opinions? MB

Well-spotted MB. Here are a couple independent sources that at least establish that it exists (for now?): 1, 2. I think cutting back everything that's not sourced is very reasonable. The status of schools at AfD is a bit perplexing to me, but if it's going to be kept, I think it's definitely preferable to have a very short article we've verified than a more filled-out one that gives the impression there's good sourcing if there isn't. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra

Reference number 1 is not good. Please help if you are able. Thanks as always Srbernadette (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Pppery 00:33, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Srbernadette: the problem has been fixed. Pppery: do you expect to achieve anything by the repeated use of this templated response to Srbernadette's requests? Maproom (talk) 07:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Ref number 8 is wrong (in red) and I cannot work out what I did incorrectly. I have to go to bed now (shift work). Please fix if able. Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for remembering to log in. I don't intend to try to fix something as minor as a date in red. You can do that when you are next off work and at your keyboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Please check ref number 5 - which I did NOT do- on this page: ==St Margaret's School, Melbourne==

I have tried to see what is wrong with ref number 8 on this page: ==[[Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge]== Why is this ref. in red??? Please helpSrbernadette (talk) 03:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Thanks

Please enter links on talk-pages like this [[:Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge]]...note the extra colon at the start. You do not need the equals signs as this would normally create a heading.

Ref 8 is in red precisely for the the message clearly gives. The access date is incorrect.

Ref 5 on the Melbourne page has a date field of one year and a year field of a different year, so again, as the error message states, they are mismatched. Eagleash (talk) 05:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Pictures and articles on Wikipedia

Hi all,

I have a friend who's writing a university work about Dom Gaspar Lefebvre, a Belgian churchman who died in 1966. The information he has gathered include pictures (on a movie format that was first played this year since 1957), old black and white pictures of missionary trips in South America, hand-written and machine-written letters and other paper documents.

My question is: where can I upload all? Wikipedia, Wikibooks or Wikicommons (or a little bit of each)? Can I make a full article about this picture movie or is it not really interesting? Or should I just create a galery inside the article? Or are 60 pictures too much for an article?

My friend is really excited about this and spend months looking around for information. Putting everything online would save a lot for time for the few other people who would like to know more about Gaspar Lefebvre. Thank you for your help!175.158.232.21 (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello! To answer some of your questions, the first problem is that Gaspar Lefebvre is unsourced and will probably soon be deleted. The french WP-article about him has some sources, it´s possible some of those could save the article, but since I don´t know french, i can´t tell. If any of the pictures can be uploaded I can´t tell, it´s a question of public domain/who owns the copyright etc. Article about film: almost certainly not, see WP:GNG. 60 pics in an article: probably to much, see WP:GALLERY. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The OP states that his friend is "writing a university work" about the subject Gaspar Lefebvre. Presumably that work will, some time in the future, be published. When it is, it can be used as a source for the article: until then the unpublished information cannot be used as a source, except for any parts that have already been published elsewhere.

Wikipedia has no deadline, so if the French Wikipedia sources can ensure the article's survival as a stub (my French has 45 years of rust on it, but it looks to me as if there is enough sourced material there to expand and source the English article) it can be expanded when further source material is published, or it can be deleted now and reinstated later. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.211.130.104 (talk) 11:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Link to new section

Is there any way to provide a wikilink to add a new message to my talk page without using an 'external' link, e.g. leave me a message? Ollieinc (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I´m not sure what you mean, something like this? User talk:Ollieinc#Clutch Plague Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

At the top of each user talk page, there's a "New section" link. Mine goes to [1]. I think Ollieinc wants a way to make this into a wikilink. But the obvious User_talk:Maproom&action=edit&section=new doesn't work. Maproom (talk) 08:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I am wanting what Maproom is describing. I'm pretty sure I've seen something like it before (but maybe not). Ollieinc (talk) 08:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It cannot be done with a wikilink. If you just want to avoid the external link icon then use plainlinks: leave me a message. It's recommended to use fullurl or similar: leave me a message. This for example means the code can be copied to other wikis without change. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Can we use foreign language referencing in a wikipedia page?

Hi, I am making a page for a French artist, and the references include both English and French media publications. I wish to know if I can use French citations and references on the English page.

Thanks, Amit Amitwikia (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You can use citations of French sources in English Wikipedia. English sources are preferred if available (and reliable, independent etc.), but where they aren't available, French ones are acceptable. Maproom (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Leon bailey Wikipedia page

Leon Bailey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi,

I am seeking help as someone is trying to harm the reputation of one of my clients 'Leon Bailey' by saying he was illegally brought into the country. This is clearly untrue and is sabotaging Leon Bailey's name.

I have changed it now but is there any way you can prevent this person from writing this about Leon on his Wikipedia page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Bailey

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamfkelly (talk • contribs) 12:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The material you deleted appears to have been reliably referenced. And though it describes illegal action by Bailey's agent, it doesn't reflect badly on Bailey, who was only 15 at the time. I have reinstated it. Maproom (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Page split, of sorts

In the beginning, there were Guinea National Library and Archives and National Library of Guinea, both stubs. I filled out the latter and moved the former to National Archives of Guinea and tidied it up. But what should be done with Guinea National Library and Archives? I've applied a bandaid for now. Should it be deleted? Clarityfiend (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, it may be eligible for speedy deletion under WP:A10. It seems doubtful that someone would often search for this title erroneously, and so a disambiguation page probably wouldn't be particularly helpful. Since it appears to refer to two equally relevant topics, there doesn't seem to be a clear winner for a redirect. So deletion seems to be the apparent way forward. TimothyJosephWood 13:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It's too old for A10, but I've nominated it for deletion. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Clarityfiend Looks like it was created by move yesterday? TimothyJosephWood 12:06, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The important issue is that there's been a page at this title since early 2011, and unless their targets have been deleted or they're otherwise actively harmful, we have no business creating linkrot by deleting redirects like this one, because deleting them is bad net citizenship that has no business being on this project. Nyttend (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Redirects to the main page

The Spanish main page is entitled es:Wikipedia:Portada, but es:Main Page exists as a redirect to it. If you go to the redirect, you'll see a normal redirect notice at the top left of the page, Redirigido desde «Main Page»). If you go to a redirect to our Main Page, e.g. HomePage, you get no such notice; it's as if you went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page directly. What causes the difference? Did the developers compile some code that causes Redirected from HomePage not to appear on the Main Page, and they just haven't bothered to do that over at es:wp? Nyttend (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Yes it's hidden locally. MediaWiki:Vector.css, MediaWiki:Monobook.css etc. have a /* Don't display some stuff on the main page */ section to hide elements such as "#contentSub" (which contains the 'mw-redirectedfrom' message) from the main page. - NQ (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

By the way, contentSub is also used in the pink box at top of old revisions so this box also becomes hidden on the main page as mentioned in MediaWiki talk:Vector.css#display: none for contentSub. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I guess it isn't much of an issue to the few admins who edit that page once in a blue moon. MediaWiki:Editingold still shows up. - NQ (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Carnegie library

A Carnegie building, Latta Library was built and established as a public library in Dillon County, SC. in 1914. The library is located at 101 North Marion Street, Latta, SC 20565, and has served the town for 102 years.

Yolanda M McCormick, Library Director Dillon County Library 600 East Main Street Dillon, SC 29536 843-774-0330 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.255.100.3 (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? If you are suggesting that an article be created then you can request one at WP:Requested articles but you would need to be patient. You would also need to show that the article subject satisfies Wiki's fairly stringent rules on notability; see WP:GNG for more information. Eagleash (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Carnegie libraries are often notable; lots of books have been written about them, and many are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, but we can't automatically assume that all of them are notable. This particular one is already mentioned at List of Carnegie libraries in South Carolina, by the way. Nyttend (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Linking to an image on German WP

Hi all, I'm hoping to use an image from de:Holstentor-Lichtspiele, Datei:WP Cines Hansa-Theater.jpg which has not been moved to Commons. I don't seem to be able to link to it on WP:en. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 20:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You presumably meant de:Datei:WP Cines Hansa-Theater.jpg? No, to use a file on English Wikipedia it needs to be uploaded either to English Wikipedia or to Commons. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The impossibility of displaying a file that's uploaded to a different Wikipedia, and the consequent necessity of uploading the same file at every WMF project that wants to use it, was the whole reason that Commons was set up in the first place. I can't imagine a copyright-based reason that it wouldn't be admissible here (published in 1913 = PD-US), but not being familiar with the German side of things, I can't speak as to whether it would be PD-Germany, a status that's required for a German-created work to be hosted at Commons. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

So the copyright tag that image appears to be using is that it's in public domain as it meet the threashold of originality. To be transferred to teh Commons, it would need to meet Common's threshold of originality, which I'm not sure it does. In fact, the image appears to be also tagged with a message saying it may be incompatible with Commons. Joseph2302 20:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for all your helpful comments. According to the file description, it's a page from the Lübecker General-Anzeiger, 8 October 1913. It says it's not to be uploaded to Commons without an individual review; is there anything I can do to progress things? I sort of speak German. It probably would be more 'useful' on Commons, but is simplest thing to do for the moment to upload it to English WP with a PD-US tag? >MinorProphet (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't know enough about German copyright law to know whether it's definitely in public domain or not. The Commona US-PD template implies that German copyright law is different to US. Best place to ask would be Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Joseph2302 21:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Will do, thanks again. >MinorProphet (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

November 1

Portal:Wikipedia gardening portal

If I type in Portal:Wikipedia into the search box, a suggestion titled Portal:Wikipedia gardening portal pops up, it is weird for that page is a redlink and has not previously been deleted nor is it linked from anywhere else, any ideas as to why is shows up? - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Update, same applies for Portal:Wikipedia portals. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:12, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia gardening portal and Wikipedia portals are redirects to the Portal namespace. This apparently confuses the search suggestion feature into thinking they are pages in the Portal namespace. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

This is phab:T115756: "Search suggests non-existent title due to namespace/redirect mixup". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

And working through the Phab ticket, the issue is that if Mainspace:C redirects to namespaceA:B then namespaceA:C shows up in the search choices even if it doesn't exist. Looks like some fairly knowledgeable people on the software have looked at it and it is sort of an edge case that was deliberately handled that way in some of the core coding. However it has a relatively low priority to be fixed.Naraht (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please go through and read documents

Today my phone started coding without me touching . I believe it's a massive part of the puzzle to stop corporations from playing the game without honesty. Please research in google search with this strange code 2/222/\]\\]]2222/2]]]]]]22222222222 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.198.55 (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

 Invalid It is unclear what you are asking for help with. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 03:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

What to do with sources when translating?

I'm not quite sure where to go with questions about translating so here I am. I want to translate some parts of articles from the English Wikipedia into the Dutch Wikipedia, but I wasn't quite sure what to do with the sources. Should I just use the original article's formatting and put a link to the English article after the Dutch sentence, or are they not considered valuable sources if they're not Dutch? Do I have to put the English article as one of the sources or how do I go about doing this? - Edit: I found the answer to the last question about crediting the English wikipedia, but not about what to do with the sources. Romeowth (talk) 21:27, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

That would depend on the policies at Dutch Wikipedia. On English Wikipedia, for example, non-English sources are acceptable for use in articles, though English language sources are preferred (see WP:NONENG). Whatever the case, you definitely need to attribute the original English language article (WP:COPYWITHIN). There should be a template like {{translated article}} available for that purpose. You'd probably be better off asking at nl:Help:Helpdesk since users here can only provide help relating specifically to English Wikipedia. clpo13_(talk) 21:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Development Bank of Southern Africa

Development Bank of Southern Africa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Reference help requested. Dear Sir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Bank_of_Southern_Africa

Please can you remove all the references for the Development Bank of Southern Africa page because they are outdated. I have new references that I would like to put in but I am unable to remove the current references.

Thanks, Richard Bennett — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardMBennett (talk • contribs) 06:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, RichardMBennett. I'm guessing you have been trying to edit the "References" section, but references are actually specified at the point in the page where they are used (where the superscript index number appears) and that's where you need to edit. Please see Referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

A good number of the edits made by RichardMBennett have been removed by another editor as promotional and the page has been restored to an earlier version. Eagleash (talk) 11:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Runway Length at Cherokee County Airport in Ball Ground GA

We have edited the runway length and it is not displaying the correct length. If you need documentation please let us know. Our runway length is 5002' since 2011. We also have an eastside taxiway that is the length of the runway that opened yesterday October 31, 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.44.192.62 (talk) 15:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Our article about Cherokee County Regional Airport has given the runway length as 5002 feet since March 17, 2012. Can you please clarify your request? Maproom (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Archiving "Talk:Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2016"

Ok, so I'm trying to get Talk:Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2016 to archive. So far, I have tried to get ClueBot III (which is what I have set up everywhere else on the project) and lowercase sigmabot III to archive the page, using the provide templates on Help:Archiving a talk page, with the time set to 30 days. So far, neither of them seem to want to archive the page. Can I get some help on fixing this issue? Elisfkc (talk) 17:25, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: There's only one thread there, the top one, that is older than 30 days. The archiving template includes the parameter minthreadstoarchive=2, which tells the bot not to touch the page until at least 2 threads can be archived at once. To make the bot spring into action, you'll need to reduce the 30, change that 2 to a 1, or wait about a week so that more threads are 30 days old. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@John of Reading: thanks. I'll drop the minimum threads and the time, then up the time after the election. --Elisfkc (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please help - ref number 146 is wrong on this page - it is from a newspaper (archived) article. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done The date format in the accessdate parameter was incorrect. Please see the documentation at {{cite web}} for what date formats are acceptable. clpo13_(talk) 22:20, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello - thanks

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Could you please add these 3 links (pages): "Legal professions in England and Wales", "Leeds" and "West Riding of Yorkshire" in the categories section at the bottom of this page. The article discusses all 3 links quite heavily. Thank youSrbernadette (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• The great thing about Wikipedia is that anyone can make edits like this. Be bold and add them, following the format of the others in there. If you make a mistake, no harm done as it's almost impossible to do permanent damage. Though I don't see a category matching the first one you named, so it would show up red and probably be subsequently removed. Crow^Caw 23:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Create an article

How do you create an artice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.65.0 (talk) 23:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• See WP:YFA for the details. Crow^Caw 23:32, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
• To create an article, follow these steps:

1. Read Your first article carefully.
2. If you don't have an account, consider creating one (it's not essential, but it makes some things easier, especially communicating with other editors) and logging in.
3. Learn the basics of editing with the Wikipedia:Tutorial
4. Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
5. Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
6. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
7. Use the Article Wizard to create a draft.
8. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines. Base the article on what the references say, rather than on what you know.
9. Once you believe that your draft meets Wikipedia's requirements, submit it for review by picking the "Submit your draft for review" button in the draft.
10. Be aware that many drafts are not accepted the first time, or even the second time they are submitted for review, for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are particularly likely not to be accepted, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. Pppery 23:44, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Please change your reference to my work experience with the Maria Cantwell campaign

Please change your reference to my work experience with the Maria Cantwell campaign, as I worked with the Seattle community in voter outreach to rally support in favor of Sen. Maria Cantwell. I did not and would not work for her campaign directly. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppretty (talk • contribs) 23:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Ppretty: Can you name the article where this problem lies? Crow^Caw 23:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Judging by this edit, it may be Paulette Jordan. If it is, Ppretty, please be aware that Wikipedia strongly discourages people from editing material about themselves, as their conflict of interest may make it difficult for them to write in a suitably neutral manner. That edit, indeed, introduces some non-neutral language, (eg "from a deeply rooted ranching and farming heritage") but it's late here so I'm not going to look further at it tonight. --ColinFine (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2

IP Address

When I edited my own page, I didn't realize that my browser had booted me out. Is there a way to delete my IP address from the edit history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxythunderwolf (talk • contribs) 02:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any edits to either your user page or user talk page that was made using an IP address. Are you sure you made the edits? Feinoha ^Talk 02:03, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Not on my own page, an article I had been working on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxythunderwolf (talk • contribs) 02:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think this may refer to Doctor Strange: The Oath (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Eagleash (talk) 02:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I think I remember (unless my mind is playing tricks on me in which case I'm sorry) such a policy that allowed administrators (which I am not one) to remove the edit if a user accidentally edits while logged out. Perhaps you should try asking an admin? Feinoha ^Talk 02:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Where can I find the admin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxythunderwolf (talk • contribs) 02:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Any of the people listed here is an admin. Although if you're looking for an admin right now I would probably try either asking either User:Materialscientist or User:Oshwah. Feinoha ^Talk 02:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

The IP address is hidden now. See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight for another time. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I have OS'd the IP address. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 02:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Awesome responses, everyone! Thank you for OS'ing, Ks0stm! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:52, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

But please remember that it is not your own page, Galaxythunderwolf! --ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Explore topics from different sections

Hi,

I am not new but still an amateur in using Wikipedia. There are many topics, many happenings around the world. Some are focussed on the Main Page. But I would like to explore more and see all of it. Please provide some valuable tips for the same.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.253.55.99 (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, Contents/Portals, Featured content and Current events are great places you can begin with, to explore Wikipedia's topics further. Come back if you need further guidance. Enjoy your exploration. Lourdes 06:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

There is a strange mark immediately after reference number 5 on this page - is it a comma and should it be there? 139.216.210.155 (talk) 04:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC) Thanks

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. In this particular case, as you seem to be a regular editor who has a penchant for logging out and posting requests at Help Desk on mundane issues, I would suggest that rather than requesting Help Desk volunteers for such mistakes, please undertake the same yourself (in other words, please feel free to remove the comma after the reference no. 5 yourself). Such editing would ensure that the time of Help Desk volunteers is not spent in assisting simplistic issues. Thank you for understanding. Lourdes 06:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please help - I think the strange comma should be removed but I will not be able to do it on a mobile phone. My students r not here to help. Thanks 101.182.180.24 (talk) 07:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

The comma comes from the comma after the first </ref> in the second paragraph of the section. So removing that comma is how you remove the comma after the footnote reference. —teb728 t c 08:01, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I see a bot did it for you. That is unfortunate, for it deprived you of a learning opportunity. —teb728 t c 08:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Creating page Clickexcel.com on wikipedia but shows that url is blacklisted

Creating page Clickexcel.com on wikipedia but shows that url is blacklisted, can some one help me to creating our company page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swatikdm (talk • contribs) 10:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

User is blocked for spam/advertising.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:46, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Incoming links resolver for non-disambiguation page?

Is this possible? Sometimes an article gets deleted and incoming links need to be disambiguated or removed, even though there is no need for a disambiguation page at the page. An example of this is Constituent country, where links need to be removed or directed to: Country, Countries of the United Kingdom, Countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Countries of the Kingdom of Denmark, Overseas country of France. In most cases it isn't a simply case of piping to the new page. Most link are setup like "Scotland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom" so would need to be changed to "Scotland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom". I am looking for a way to quickly go through each link similar to Dab solver or DisamAssist. When I try to use Dab solver it doesn't seem to work (http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/view/Dab_solver). I could possibly make the page a disambiguation page temporarily while I fix the links? Rob984 (talk) 15:04, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• HI Rob984. Try AWB. Lourdes 15:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

How to fix this page

I ran across Tina Beattie as I was copyediting references: fixing bare links and resolving ibids, etc. As I worked on this page, it struck me that it is essentially an advertisement for Ms Beattie. Eleven of 13 references are written by her and there is an extensive list of all her writings. I am willing to edit this page, but I would appreciate some others' opinion on what should stay and what should go. Thanks. Leschnei (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

It should significantly be shortened, in my opinion. Ruslik_Zero 19:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Two questions related to draft space in other languages

I recently received two emails from Wikimedia from different people but with related questions.

First, is the draft space an English Wikipedia only concept, or does it exist in other languages (in particular, Bulgarian)? If it exist in some, but not all, is there a comprehensive list so I can respond to the person asking?

Second, an editor created a draft in the English Wikipedia:Draft:Desenvolvimento curricular Which should have been created in the Portuguese Wikipedia. They are requesting that it simply be moved over but I'm not sure that there is such a process. If there is such a process can someone tell me how, or do it for me, or confirm that there is not in which case my advice is they should in the Portuguese Wikipedia (possibly in draft space depending on the answer to the first question)--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:18, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: As a partial answer, WP:Drafts has versions in 9 other languages, not including Bulgarian or Portuguese. The list of namespaces in the Bulgarian and Portuguese versions of WP:Namespace do not seem to include one for Drafts. —teb728 t c 19:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Another partial answer: WP:AFC has a Portuguese version. —teb728 t c 19:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: As for importing pages into another wiki, I think that Help:Import is about that. —teb728 t c 19:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I have responded to both.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Templates about video games (Agatha Christie and Sherlock Holmes)

I edited {{Agatha Christie video games}} and {{Sherlock Holmes video games}} adding a lot of games that were not included in those templates. Nevertheless, I was forced to remove all red links/black lines, because they're discouraged by Wikipedia guidelines (but compare this: {{Mondelez}}). I have a question: some games have an article but it is only a subsection of the article about the novel they were inspired by: for example 4.50 from Paddington, Dead Man's Folly, Death on the Nile, Peril at End House, and The Hound of the Baskervilles. Could they be included in the template or should they have a larger section or a separate article?--Carnby (talk) 18:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Redirects are common in navigational boxes. So, the answer is yes. Ruslik_Zero 19:50, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

For scientific software, does citation count establish notability?

I have recently improved the article ARTS (radiative transfer code). Its mention in books is scarce; one book lists it in a table, another described it for half a page. However, it has also been used in more than 150 peer-reviewed publications, including increasingly many where none of the developers are directly involved. Does that constitute sufficient notability for having its own Wikipedia article? Note that if ARTS fails, I suspect many of the models linked from Atmospheric radiative transfer codes will suffer the same fate, and it would be worth to gather the information in a larger article to avoid the destruction of hard work. --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 19:12, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

My sense would be "no", we'd need some information on the software to write an article, not merely that people use it. Half a page may be sufficiently long depending on what the source is like, but more than one source is necessary. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:20, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

When you say "150 peer-reviewed publications" how much is about it? Does it just say it was used (a mention) or does it discuss what it is and does? RJFJR (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello Gerrit. I see that http://radiativetransfer.org/docs/ has a subsection 'Articles' which says "A general description of ARTS can be found in the following articles" and then lists two references: Eriksson et al (2011) and Buehler et al (2005). Can you not use these to establish notability? Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:46, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello RobbieIanMorrison. Those articles are not independent but written by the two main authors of the software. Isn't that a problem for establishing notability? --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 13:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello RJFJR. It varies. Many describe research done using ARTS, and therefore do describe it somewhat. Some others compare ARTS to other models. --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 13:15, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

I have mad a big mistake with ref number 7 on this page - bad eyesight tonight. Please leave in quote as we think it important. Please fix Thankyou101.182.180.24 (talk) 20:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

If you read the text in red, it tells you exactly how to fix it. You've used quote: instead of quote= , and also need to fix the access-date. Joseph2302 21:15, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

It's useless to tell him/her how to fix it. They never learn from what we tell them. †Dismas†|^(talk) 21:33, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I have fixed both errors myself. Thanks so much for your advice. Srbernadette (talk) 21:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Well done! While you're there, you might want to take the date out of the |publisher parameter and put it in the |date parameter. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:27, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Computer model names and uppercasing

I would like some guidance on the use of casing when describing the name of a computer model. The case in point concerns the Markal model article, about an energy model almost always written as MARKAL in academic literature. Under MOS:TMRULES, the correct setting would be Markal, but this is not a trade-mark. The POLES article, another energy model, uses POLES throughout, as does ACEGES with ACEGES. I am tempted to do likewise for the MARKAL article, but wanted to check in first. I would also like to rename the page to MARKAL, usage which does not seem (on my reading) to either conflict with or be supported by WP:TITLE. Any advice on casing gratefully received. PS: this question was originally posted at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 538 § Computer model names and uppercasing but received no replies. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• @RobbieIanMorrison: MOS:CAPSACRS says to use the all-caps version when it is the WP:COMMONNAME one. From what you wrote, it seems to be the case. In case you need help to move the page, the manual is this way. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Y Hello Tigraan. Many thanks for your reply. That answers my question. I should be able to move the page without difficulty. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 09:10, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

November 3

Rfc regarding A1

Just a quick request for comment on the application of the A1 tag on a generic example. Any views would be welcome at the particular Rfc. Lourdes 14:53, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Help me remove one of my photos from the Commons

Hi. I recently re-photographed comics artist Jim Cheung at the New York Comic Con. He asked that the then current photo of him in the article (this one), which I took of him in 2011, be removed from the article and the Commons because he deeply dislikes it, as he was very sweaty when the photo was taken. Since there are already other photos of him in the Commons, including ones I myself have taken on three other occasions now, I have no objection to this. Because public figures can sometimes be very particular about how they are presented in the photos of their WP articles, I've helped subjects who objected to my photos of them have the photos removed from the Commons in the past when they allowed me to take better ones (or when they themselves supplied better ones), usually by contacting Jimmy Wales directly, but this time, Wales has not responded to my email. Can it be removed? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Commons files can only be deleted by Commons administrators. See commons:Commons:Courtesy deletions. Note commons:File:5.21.11JimCheungByLuigiNovi.jpg#globalusage currently shows two other uses you may want to replace: Wiccan (comics) and ja:ジム・チャン. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

See also commons:Commons:Deletion policy#Courtesy deletions for an actual policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Paragraphs without references

Hi! I'm Carlos Emanuel of pt.wiki, and I want to ask, if I can remove paragraphs without references, because they are contrary to the verifiability policy, or if this is considered vandalism, thanks. (Carlos Emanuel) (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey (Carlos Emanuel). Contentious material regarding a biography of a living person which is unsourced should always be removed immediately. Otherwise, if it seems likely that a source for content may be available, but simply hasn't been added yet, it is generally better to try to find a source rather than remove the content.

If no source can be found, or if the content seems obviously or quite likely to be incorrect to begin with, unverified content can certainly be removed according to Wikipedia policy. TimothyJosephWood 17:25, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Timothyjosephwood. (Carlos Emanuel) (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Help with protected edit request

Certain editors have been temporarily blocked from editing Bain family murders for edit warring. Protected edit requests have been posted on the Talk page. This is an opportunity for other editors to step in between the protagonists and work towards a consensus. Unfortunately, no one seems willing to declare their position clearly with agree or oppose the protected edit that has been proposed. It would be helpful if editors who are not familiar with the topic could have a look. Where do I ask for help? Histrange (talk) 19:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Oakland Oaks American Basketball Association

About one year ago I contributed my top 10 players for the Oakland Oaks/Washington Caps/Virginia Squires American Basketball Association for Wikipedia. My list initially listed on Wikipedia and then one day was gone. Could you please advise why it was there one day and gone another.

Mike Beardslee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.168.128.100 (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

It was removed by this edit [2] because your list wasn't encyclopedic and didn't reference any sources. uhhlive (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Which payment method should I use when donating to Wikipedia

The Wikimedia Fondation offer many payment method to make donations. A time ago (maybe two years ago) there was a discussion (in the French Wikipedia I think) about whatever Wikimedia should allow people to donate using Paypal. Some people were against the idea because of Paypal's fees. I can use many of the payment methods listed here. So what method with the minimum fees. Thanks. Hunsu (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I think the method with the lowest fees is likely bank transfer, but I don't know this definitively. You might be able to get an answer by e-mailing the donatewikimedia.org address listed on that page. --47.138.165.200 (talk) 06:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betty Chambers

Hi there. An editor wasn't happy with the direction Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betty Chambers was taking, so they moved it to a draft before the deletion closed. I tried to revert it but it got messed up. Can you help? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think the editor moving the article out of article space to their user space at User:BrillLyle/Betty Chambers seems like a perfectly acceptable outcome. I would think a speedy close at the AfD page would be the correct action (along with disabling the mainspace categories on the page and redirects that point to it, if any). General Ization ^Talk 21:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@General Ization: - But if the outcome of the deletion discussion turns out to be "delete", then the article is deleted. It's not saved as a draft. It's deleted. WP:DELETE seems clear about this: "deleted pages are not permitted to be generally viewed." Also, redirecting an article that has been nominated for deletion--before the deletion discussion closes--is also not permitted. Perhaps someone else at the help desk could have a look at this. Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

We routinely userfy pages that editors post to mainspace that are determined for some reason to not be appropriate (at least not yet) for publication. Unless the page contains some sort of BLP violation (an assertion I don't see at the AfD), I see no issue with it remaining in draft form in userspace, where no reader will see it unless they happen to know it's there. General Ization ^Talk 23:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

As for "redirecting an article ...", as I mentioned, any redirects from mainspace to the article now in userspace should immediately be deleted (R2) or re-targeted to other content as appropriate. Though I think you meant "moving" rather than "redirecting". Moving from mainspace to userspace is effectively withdrawing the article from publication and public view, not much different than deleting it. Other opinions are, of course, invited. General Ization ^Talk 23:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The editor who moved the article to their userspace (who was not the creator of the article) says "I am working with archivists from NARA and TWU now to gather more information so because this is going to take time I am moving this page to my user space in order to protect the work already done and so I can continue to develop the page. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 16:44, 3 November 2016 (UTC)". This seems like a perfectly reasonable solution. There is no need to pursue an AfD when an alternative solution is reached. General Ization ^Talk 00:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I've closed the discussion as voluntarily userfied. AGF, it will be fixed before returning to article space and it doesn't look like an attempt to game the system. If necessary, someone can always renominate at AfD if it comes back and still has a problem. Monty₈₄₅ 01:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Berney baronets

Please place the box down the bottom closer up to the top - I cannot do this Srbernadette (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)Thanks

Why can't you? Pppery 22:56, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

George Nevill, 1st Earl of Abergavenny

There appears to be the number 1 ( from the references section) accidently transposed on the picture of the lady on this page. I think it should be removed - what do you think? Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think I see what you are talking about, however visual alignment should not justify removal of sources. Pppery 22:57, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if you misunderstand I am not asking to remove the picture - just to see if you help to explain why one can see the number "1" amongst the text. It looks to us like the ref page needs to be removed down a bit so that the number is not accidently transposed onto the text. Please do take a look if you are able. Thanks so muchSrbernadette (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I can't see the "1" that you are talking about. Pppery 23:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

It seems that since I asked for help someone has infact helped me! "Pppery" has been very helpful and has removed the number 1. all good Srbernadette (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

November 4

Article on "Religious coercion" is horrendous and should be deleted, I just can't figure out how.

Hi, the article "Religious coercion" is utterly terrible, it used to be terrible before I stumbled upon it in May. Now, after a couple of months of trying to use the talk page (which resulted in a user removing a significant unsourced part, and me, later on, removing almost all of it because it was obviously OR and unsourced) I wanted to delted it. I put a PROD header on it, which was delted for a valid reason (previous AfD).

If you look at the article, it's barely one sentence, without any source. I think it should be AfD'd because of WP:A3 or WP:DEL6. DEL6 would have been good before May, because since then all OR and unsourced stuff was deleted, so I'm not sure if that counts. I understand that rewriting it would be the preferable option, BUT my English is far from decent enough to do that, and apparently nobody else is ready to do it.

Thus I would like to AfD it, but I don't know if I should or how to do so. I would appreciate some input from all of you, more experienced users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:C23:BC0E:F000:E43A:FA4F:30E6:49E6 (talk) 00:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, the article has been redirected to Forced conversion for now. Thanks. Lourdes 03:44, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Mike Murdock

Reference help requested. Not sure how I broke the reference in my edit. I just wanted to make the page more academic and less bias Thanks, Pjlancer (talk) 03:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey there, Pjlancer! If someone wants to use the same source multiple times in the same article, we can do what is called naming the reference ("ref") tag so we don't have to write the whole citation again and can do what is called invoking. What the bot is trying to say is that, in line 17, someone had previously invoked a reference named "Money2Relatives", but in your edits, you removed the root citation giving it nothing to invoke. The bot wasn't criticizing your edits in any way.
I hope this helped, if it didn't or if you need further clarification, don't hesitate to reply back! Thank you and happy editing! —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 03:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Berney baronets

Please help me up load a legal pic on this page. (The pic is already on Wikipedia page) I have never done this before and it is very hard. Please help. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello Srbernadette, by what you write, you probably intend to add an already existing image to the article rather than uploading a new image. Irrespective, I should suggest that you may first read Wikipedia:Uploading images and specially the section Wikipedia:Uploading images#Adding images to articles. As mentioned earlier, be bold in following the procedure mentioned within these pages, and add the image yourself. If you make a mistake, don't worry. It would be corrected soon enough. Thanks. Lourdes 03:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

It will take me a good afternoon with students - to learn this procedure properly. I am trying - but it is no good. Should I leave the funny stuff that I have added to the page and hopefully either I, or someone else will see what I was trying to do. ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 04:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)