User talk:Drmies

"Drmies is the only rational editor here."

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Category:Articles with a promotional tone from December 2017

Help needed on Persian people

Hi. I have come across some user who appears to be engaged in an edit war on the Persian people article. After I undid Mithraeum’s addition of an image that I found misrepresented and unneeded, they restored their edit, telling me not to “remove images without citation” (whatever that is supposed to mean) and “follow rules or face repercussions”, and then I received this email:

[snip]

In an earlier edit, they removed an image from the same gallery because they thought it was a replica, but then added a reconstruction of the Alexander Sarcophagus themself—which I think is alright but contrary to their own activities.
I was wondering if you could help with this. Thanks in advance.
—Rye-96 (talk) 17:14, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Great Dane, if you're not too busy, what do you make of this? Like, this? I'm troubled by it--but I also got a few things I need to finish right now. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Puzzling! Why would we want to include a 20th century painting in that gallery? More puzzling: sideburns? Favonian (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Wait. I didn’t know I couldn’t share emails here. Should I also remove the email content from the talk page of the Persian people article? And does that mean it doesn’t count at all?..
  —Rye-96 (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I played it safe (see Wikipedia:Emailing_users#Reposting_emails_publicly) and I suppose Black Kite agrees with me--thank you BK. Evidence from emails should always be handled privately, just to make sure--in my opinion. You can email them to an admin, or to ArbCom. In this case, sure it "counts", but I didn't have time to look at it, which is why I asked Favonion. I see that the editor didn't much appreciate the comments on their talk page; I'll look again later. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

jfyi: [1]. Xavexgoem (talk) 06:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. I just noticed that some part of the email content has also been censored on that talk page (and why). What’s funny is that I have already shared my You-Know-What on my user page.
—Rye-96 (talk) 21:15, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

For clarification

Once you've reached a conclusion about someone or something, it's a judgment (see def #2 in the dictionary), and while, technically, you may not be sitting as a judge, you are sitting in a position of influence, so when you attempt to persuade others to draw the same conclusion as your own, you are passing judgment - be it right or wrong. Have a wonderful day. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:12, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Well thanks for the lesson. So all those other editors were passing judgment too, and the Arbs are like metajudges. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
• #2: "The fact of possessing this ability ["The ability to make considered decisions or to arrive at reasonable conclusions or opinions on the basis of the available information; the critical faculty; discernment, discrimination."] to a high degree or in a sophisticated form; discretion, good sense, wisdom." OK, that I'll take that. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Excellent example of cherrypicking a RS (out of about 349,000,000 possibilities) because it agrees with your POV. 😂 Yes, Drmies, it's called passing judgment. What did you think you were doing? You were sitting in judgment of someone you don't really know. The arbs take all those judgments into consideration, form their own conclusions, and hand down a final judgment as you well know. Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." Now throw in the Golden Rule and that's what I consider a high degree of good sense and wisdom because it's based on fundamental principles that have withstood the test of time. You do realize that I'm older than you, right? I'm at that point in life where I've stopped lying about my age and started bragging about it. Class dismissed. 😊 ^{Atsme📞📧} 04:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know what I did wrong

Drmies, I think you said you're an admin in the user complaint filed against me. If you check my page, I did make obvious editing errors, which were pointed out to me, as I had no experience editing a controversial article. That was just the first day. I acknowledged my mistakes and have not committed any further violations that I'm aware of. You did mention I should change my title, and that there's something I wrote that should be deleted. I really don't want to break the rules. Can you please let me know what's wrong or what I'm violating?

Another issue: I hope you saw the part where O3000 referred to me as "extremely arrogant" and Slaterstevens said I "lack self awareness". Drmies, I know you disagree with my interpretation of NPOV, but these people seem to be after me for that reason. Please don't assume that everything they said is true, as you can confirm it. Haven't they violated civility? I also found this. I don't want these users going around defaming my account. Thanks --Intellectual Property Theft (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

My 2p. As a new editor you seem to be working in high-angst areas of WP, where regular, experienced editors often fear to tread. I would say that these areas cause these kinds of reactions frankly. There is a terrible place, which I strongly advise you do not visit, Wikipedia:ANI, where these struggles, arguments, anger, sometimes outright insanity is starkly displayed. You need to learn your craft first, do some minor editing in less controversial areas, and basically get yourself known. A mentor may be of help. Irondome (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Those remarks don't add up to personal attacks or violations of civility. "Extremely arrogant" a bit, maybe, but that's something adults should be able to handle. But your comment there, in that new thread, which is like 5000 words long with bold print and all, and it seems like you are trying to explain how everyone was wrong because you know the rules better--some might call that arrogant. If you want others to trust you in this collaborative environment you typically need to do good article work, or display great helpfulness in ANI or other places, that sort of thing. It won't come from belaboring a point on ANI. What I strongly suggest you do is figure out why I and others have issues with your comments about the article and the sources, or why that diff that I put on ANI is so problematic--because it is. Take care, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 22:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
• Not all opinions are equal. For instance, Irondome up here knows Polish beers. I don't. We could duke it out. I have a right to utter my opinion, but that doesn't make it as valid as Irondome's. I can maybe get some website to publish my opinion, but that doesn't help: if a website or magazine publishes my opinion (on this topic), it can hardly be a reliable source. So, first of all you can't find as many sources that say Jones is not a conspiracy theorist, once you weed out the unreliable sources. Second, you can't just say "well all those are Democrat associated", because that's just not true, and not a smart comment. If you believe that all those sources that don't print or reflect your opinion are Democratic (note the -ic), then you're probably this close to believing that it's all a conspiracy. And the beauty of conspiracies is that they explain everything. But on Wikipedia we can't play that game. Drmies (talk) 22:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I didn’t say: “extremely arrogant”. Not the way I normally respond. I did say at AN/I where we discuss behavior: The user page does bother me as it’s remarkably arrogant for a new editor. I would suggest the editor quote more accurately. But, more importantly, Belgian beers are better. Priorities are important. OTOH, as I heard someone once (OK many times) post, there are good people on both sides. O3000 (talk) 00:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I completely see the message of the first comment after mine. Of course, I'm a source of one of those angry reactions.––I will admit, the Democrat reference shouldn't have been made. That's an angry statement. But, I don't think it's completely fair to rate one's arrogance based on their novelty. You don't seem to care, or have much knowledge of my substance. I have done prob. 20 hours of editing in the past few days, while many would probably take two months. No one would complain about someone who's been editing for two months for the same reason. I fumbled at first, but I attempted to clarify. I have obtained decent relationships with the people I fumbled with. Then, I tried obtaining consensus for edits I was proposing. I stated that most sources that talk about Infowars do not refer to it as fake news. A small minority do. As per the NPOV, they should be proportionately represented. I said it should be changed to "is often regarded as fake news" or similar. If two other users on the Alex Jones TP argued the same thing, how am I being arrogant?––The several users then tried to counter my arguments with obvious ignorance of the links I had provided for them. (I mean they didn't even have knowledge that I had put sources there.) I would most strongly like to make the point that you complained that my "5000 word long" thread tried to "claim everyone is wrong" is "arrogant". You are a moderator, and have decided to prejudge and explain the content of a complaint that you have not even begun to read.––Perhaps my problem is assuming good faith in others and not being the first one to file an arbitrary complaint about someone who decided to disagree with me inside of their own user TP. Why can't we all be supportive and say something like "okay, I respect your view but do not consent"?--Intellectual Property Theft (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not "prejudging"--I'm postjudging. The view you're asking me to respect basically asks me to do away with WP:RS. I can respect your effort, but that's something else. And believe me, I read enough of the complaint. Now, when this is over, consider changing your name please. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I already filed a change. Sorry O300, I should've quoted you more accurately. But, don't get people so heated. And yes, I don't think you're bad people. I just want to make my point. Maybe you guys should get off that Belgian stuff and start drinking some Sleeman Clear. --Intellectual Property Theft (talk) 01:04, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

That's a good start. At ANI I said that you jumped into the deep end of the pool (a controversial BLP) before learning to swim. Not totally your fault as you didn’t understand what you jumped into. The problem was that when the lifeguards jumped in to help you, you fought them off. Look at my talk page and you will see that I tried to help. Others tried to help on your talk page. But, you appear to be consumed by the fact that you know the “truth”. No one knows the truth. There really is no such thing, outside of pure logic. There is only verifiability. Your reaction was to attack everyone that tried to help. This a is known as the 285th rule of the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.[2]. Don’t worry about it. We’re used to it and don’t hold grudges against those that chose to learn. O3000 (talk) 01:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Intellectual Property Theft, I think you are WP:HERE, and would make a good colleague, when you change that name and strictly take to heart WP:NPOV and WP:RS. I see you are building bridges with those who you perceived to have been your 'enemies' (my use of scare quotes). They ain't. WP attracts people who are naturally independent, free thinkers from a wide variety of standpoints, although the community does not tolerate Neo-Nazis or those who are basically nihilists, who wish to distrupt for the lolz. 'We' tend to be strong minded individualists, who stick to WP guidelines so the whole thing doesn't implode. We do that out of enlightened self-interest I suppose. If WP fell apart we would be forced to publish books or get a job. (joke alert). I think you need a WP:MENTOR to guide you till you are able to deal with this odd place. I will mentor you if you want for a couple of months, till you find your feet. O3000, Belgium beer which is good is Leffe, and the Abbey beers which I would like to explore. Stella is bitter over-hopped nastiness :) Try Polish mead, Perla do a nectar of the G-d's, pure 7% honey. My great great grandmother on my grandmother's side used to brew the families mead supply. That was in 1890's east London. Does Belgium have a mead? I'm interested. Peace, and that goes for you all :) Irondome (talk) 01:39, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Damn, I just read the Nihilism article, and it makes it sound like such a bad thing. I’m a Manhattanite (which now has an absurd number of craft beers) and don’t really understand Belgian beers – you caught me. I have visited Brussels many times and traveled by car betwixt Belgium and Germany. I liked the Belgian beers because I could drink them with alacrity and still wake in the morn and attend meetings. I did take a tour of the Artois brewery once. Turned me off beer for a time. Like sausage, better eating them if you don't watch them made. O3000 (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Nice to meet you, O3000. London beers are great too, and I am fortunate to live less than 3 miles from the Fuller's Brewery. Damn they make good brews! And they do guided tours, and they have a pub more or less on site which serves up all their beers and ales. If you are ever planning a London trip, email me :) Irondome (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Stop torturing me, Ethel. We can get Fuller's bottled over here but it's just not the same as a pint of ESB drawn fresh from the tap. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Just get your arse over here SBHB. I can put up 3 in my flat, and a daytime session in that place is worth the airfare Irondome (talk) 03:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Not to interrupt the beer discussion, but thanks for the kind an informing posts. O3000, you too, but I just can't resist but to slightly and kindly part from your statement that there are no truths. In logic, maybe. But it seems there must be a truth in how to correctly interpret WP policy, such as NPOV. In my interpretation, if there are a few out of many sources calling something something, there is no obligation to list the minority. You might as well list the majority. Nothing in NPOV says you MUST list the ones that use the most negative terms. Anyway, I guess we're mostly passed it, but I personally don't mind long-lasting debates. Maybe I'm wrong. And although I try to eventually recognize and appreciate everyone's help, it's a bit hard to when they're feeding info to a new user the same way a Ferengi mother feeds food to her children (referring to some other users.) Irondome, regarding you as a mentor, I appreciate the offer. I'm unsure how active on WP I'll be in the next few weeks, but I'll let you know. That would be great. I'd appreciate help or info anytime from anyone here. :) --Intellectual Property Theft (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

You did not demonstrate a majority of sources do not call them that, you demonstrated some sometimes do not. This is the core of my issue with you. Please try to understand that you need to prove your case, and 4 or 5 sources do not a majority make (when I can find 4 or 5 sources that call it fake news). As I said most sources do not call the sea wet, that does not mean most sources disagree it is wet.Slatersteven (talk) 08:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Sources which dispute that it pushes fake news are invariably unreliable sources we can't use here. Unfortunately, we have editors who imbibe such sources and then cause problems here, since the very foundation of Wikipedia is based on the use of RS, and editors who don't use RS in their own personal lives live in a misinformation bubble. That creates a conflict between their personal POV and the basis of all editing here, and thus they are constantly trying to undermine proper editing here. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 09:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Lets be clear, he never found one source that says it was not fake news (and admitted he could not). The argument was that because some sources did not call it fake news that meant we could not say it was fake news (because not everyone called it fake news).Slatersteven (talk) 09:19, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. It's also a strange argument. That's not how we do things here. If RS say it, then it may have potential as content. If it's controversial, then even more so, and the stronger the statement, the better, because it's good to document the clear facts and opinions out there, while the weaker, vague, or inconsequential ones can be safely ignored. If it's a WP:BLP matter, then we follow WP:PUBLICFIGURE, IOW we should include the strong statements, but with care (attribution, phrasing, denials, sourcing, etc.). -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 09:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

The problem with that argument (in this case) is "According to (we then list all of the sources that have called it fake news) fake news". Even "widely" or "Mostly" is weazzle wording when it is the vast (if not the) majority of sources that call it fake news. This is not a NPOV issue, it may be a BL issue, yet I do not recall Jones denying it.Slatersteven (talk) 10:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• It's late--seems I missed a party. Went out to the sticks with the kids to try and see some Perseids, but it's too cloudy. Sipping on a Monkeynaut. Shout out to all the African-American brewers; move over and make some room, white hipsters. Drmies (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Monkeynaut..outstanding. Great idea and a good IPA by the look. That is a fascinating article as well Dr. Nazi's would say I am not a 'white man' (WTF?) and the ultra-left would say i'm white privileged so don't count as a persecuted minority worthy of solidarity with (WTF?) so It would seem i'm fucked :). Irondome (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I have received my new username. --GDP Growth (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

A better choice. Let me know when you want to discuss mentoring. No pressure, as I understand you may be off-and on WP over the next few weeks. Just drop me a post on my T/P. Irondome (talk) 23:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

It seems there has been some more talk here about my opinion. I welcome it. I'm not sure how Drmie feels about this long a thread, but feel free to come talk about it on my TP as to not take up too much space on Drmie's TP. For now, I will state a response here.–––––––First of all, BullRangifer, I appreciate your constructive criticism. I was not familiar with those (good) guidelines. With that said, I did not want to remove the "fake news" statement. I wanted to re-word it to say "often regarded as", or something similar. Just something not in WP's voice, as stated in NPOV. I am a new user, so I acknowledge I'm more likely to be wrong than most people, but I did read the NPOV very thoroughly. (There is also this, which I should have brought up, as "fake news" is defined as a neologism by WP and others.)––––––––Slatersteven, you said "This is the core of my issue with you." Therefor, I think I can convince you. Here are other sources in addition to the three that do not label Infowars with the term "fake news": [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. That's eight against four or five; the majority. --GDP Growth (talk) 04:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Antifa (Department of Homeland Securities)

Drmies, Let's discuss your opposition to fact:

The United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) declared the activities of antifa as “domestic terrorist violence” in 2017. https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

I am open to your feedback and would like to come to an amicable solution. I've noted that you've come into opposition to all my research. No one editor is the owner of an article. As a reminder “ If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it.” Other kind reminders include:

WP:Overzealous deletion

WP:TENDENTIOUS

WP:BULLY

WP:POV railroad

WP:Civility

SDSU-Prepper (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) In no source you have cited is there support for your statement that The principal feature of antifa groups is their acts of domestic terrorism. As you cannot source that claim, it cannot be included in Wikipedia. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

NBSB, sometimes I get tired of the gaslighting, and I love being reminded of policy by someone with 68 article edits, all of which are...well, we know that they are. Prepper, I invite scrutiny; you may argue your case at ANI. But if you're so well-versed in policy, can you verse yourself in formatting too? And I don't mean just the inept ref tags, the bare URL, the reference in the wrong place, but also this line spacing. And if you want me to look up what a bully I am, dude put some wikilink brackets around it... Drmies (talk) 04:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ooooh SDSU-Prepper, that's right--this is how you got started here. Your ridiculous claims (about the segregationist's "radical left-wing ideas") are never verified in the article, and like Faubus's opponents you're engaged in "efforts to paint the candidate as a communist sympathizer"--because he went to that one school. Guess what. I work for Auburn and I'm still a Tide fan. Besides, the prose that you inserted in the lede there is awful--"As a result of Faubus, there was undue stress regarding their integration....the truth eventually prevailed about Faubus and desegregation won. After the 1965 Voting Act, which made it easier for African Americans to vote, Faubus political career came to an end." It is understandable that early edits on Wikipedia often fail to recognize that this is not Freshman Comp, and that we're not writing argumentative essays here, but I do wonder if you can get away from argumentative editorializing. MrDemeanour, I appreciate your good work, but this just needs to be reverted. Drmies (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm new to the subject and to the article; I didn't want to blow away a big chunk of the article.

I see that Prepper has now been perma-banned. WP:NOTHERE seems to apply. He also seems to be pretty short on clues about both politics and US history. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:55, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Orval Faubus

Dear Drmies (aka MrDemeanour)?

On the topic of Orval Faubus, I've only had discussions with MrDemeanour, but in another forum Drmies believes I have unfounded claims. Drmies goes on with some sporting or commentary that I do not understand (Auburn/Tide) and then goes on to critique me. I can forgive the animosity, but let's just stick to the facts.

Regarding this content: As a child, Faubus had a father who explained that "capitalism was a fraud and that both poor whites and blacks were its victims." This was likely the catalyst to his radical left-wing ideas. You are opposed to the word "left-wing" and so you removed the entire content?

Let's discuss:' Faubus was a Democrat/Dixiecrat: both were left wing. Segregation was radical back in Faubus' day.

One thing is for sure: Orval Faubus resisted integration (and he used propaganda): https://www.britannica.com/biography/Orval-Eugene-Faubus

Would it be more agreeable to remove the word "radical" or are you saying he was not a leftist?

Please clarify.

SDSU-Prepper (talk) 05:14, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Dear Drmies, You can't rewrite history: Faubus did not "take a stance against desegregation." In fact, he was a Democrat who stood for segregation. He was a segregationist who blocked integration at every opportunity and it took Republican President to stop him.

Here are the citations indicating that clearly Oral Faubus was a segregationist: http://www.blackpast.org/1958-governor-orval-e-faubus-speech-school-integration https://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/15/obituaries/orval-faubus-segregation-s-champion-dies-at-84.html https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/central-high-school-integration http://time.com/3258196/integration-little-rock/

He resisted integration (which means he wanted to segregate): https://www.britannica.com/biography/Orval-Eugene-Faubus

As an aside, I’ve noted that you’ve followed my brief time here on Wikipedia in several diverse areas and I'd like to remind you of the following: WP:Overzealous deletion WP:TENDENTIOUS SDSU-Prepper (talk) 07:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Let's see. you're arguing he didn't take a stance against desegregation; he stood for segregation. Aight. Then you say he "blocked desegregation"--sounds a lot like "he took a stance against desegregation", no? Was he a leftist? Do we have any evidence for this, or is this just you throwing everything to the left of whatever on one big heap? Dixiecrats were leftists? No, dixiecrats were Democrats, of a very specific kind. There's nothing left-wing about that. I don't know why you are wasting your time arguing that this dude was a segregationist. Only a fool would doubt that. And that "as a child" sentence of yours, that's pure original research. I don't know where you get that stuff from, it's not in the article, and it doesn't matter, since it means nothing; in fact, our article says he rejected his father's radicalism. Finally, "several diverse areas"--you had only one area. The stuff you did on Antifa is the same stuff you tried to pull in the Faubus article: tarring and feathering anything that doesn't align with your political beliefs. But that's just my opinion, dude. Now, are we done? I don't need to see you here anymore: your posts take up too much space. Drmies (talk) 17:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I made this [8] suggestion a few days ago, but was assured by that editor that they had not one but two degrees from SDSU, so I guess they showed me. Then they wanted to argue with me about how U.S. Grant went back in time and militarily defeated the Confederacy while President [9] [10]. So much for the Encyclopedia That Anyone Can Edit. Acroterion (talk) 18:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

River of Blood (monument). Drmies (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oh. You're blocked, or so MrDemeanour tells me--he's sitting right across from me, crocheting a Soviet flag for our upcoming march in Washington. MrDemeanour, which side are we on? The side that supports the president's policies but is racist (with KKK and alt-right support), even though the president self-identifies as the least racist person ever? Or the side that is explicitly anti-racist, even though it is accused of being aligned with the KKK via the "Democrat" party and engages in domestic terrorism, according to no evidence at all? Very confusing. How about we just bake a cake and go to the pool party this afternoon? Drmies (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Crocheting? That is so petite bourgeoisie! (Also, where do all the alt-right whitewashers come from? They seem to be swarming - or maybe crawling - all over the encyclopedia of late.) --bonadea contributions talk 17:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
    • MrDemeanour (whom I've known since birth, obviously, since we're twins) gets that from his aunt. Underneath is a mean streak, though: they do not take kindly to what they call "gibberish", but I guess that comes with the territory (high school English teacher...). Drmies (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• "Followed some clues from my detective bag. And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!,That ol’ Betsy Ross..." [11] O3000 (talk) 17:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Well now I'm confused. Does your Soviet flag represent Bolshevik values (Helen Keller said she was a Bolshevik, by the way) and are you going to be singing L'Internationale? Or does it represent solidarity with Putin and his oligarch cronies? Or is it subtle irony in support of the Mueller Russian investigation? And what will you be wearing? This all matters. Softlavender (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

LOL Irondome (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't know anymore, Softlavender. They want me to trust Putin's steely eyes but not the taxpayer-funded FBI. They want me to believe everyone is a pedophile, but not the one who talks about how hot his daughter is. Apparently the prez has survived 12 assassination attempts. The Democratic Party is the same as that of Reconstruction, they say, though it's obvious to anyone that the Ds and the Rs have switched position on all those issues in the South. I could go on; the disconnect is real. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Squat Theatre External Links Erased

This has become uninteresting. Take it to the article talk page please. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_Theatre Please explain links are not 1) external 2) important 3) needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osvaldo valdes 165443 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC) ovA_165443 16:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC) From wilipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links "" The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link."" How do you fit in???? ovA_165443 20:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC) I've been asked that question before and don't have a good answer for it. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC) Eva Buchmuller and Klara Palotai of Squat Theatre are aware of this page and of the External Links, they approved them! If you have no reason for blasting them out the wiki universe why did you do it? You can always put the back... ovA_165443 00:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia doesn't need approval from article subjects. Since you are obviously in touch with them, one wonders about your connection. Do you have a conflict of interest? How did they contact you, or did you contact them? Did they provide you with links, articles, money? Drmies (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC) A-you are going break the pretension meter....you are not "wikipedia" and I don't understand your question...can you explain? conflict of interest? money? B-You still have not explained yourself...you're changing the subject! ovA_165443 00:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC) No I am not. We move along naturally, though I'll be happy to drop in a few more things: please don't reformat talk page posts, and when you leave messages, stick to our format: Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Technical_and_format_standards. Now, what those people think of our article is of no interest whatsoever, which is why I'm not wasting any more time on it. That you are in contact with them means you are in contact with them, which (again) suggests you may have a conflict of interest. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC) hu? I suggest you get off your high horse, go back in the conversation and explain: "don't have a good answer for it" bc it is not an answer...don't you have better things to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osvaldo valdes 165443 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC) Pity you didn't answer the question. I put a COI tag on the article; that seems warranted. As for "don't have a good answer for it", that was in response to "how do you fit in", which I thought was an odd question, but it deserved an honest answer. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC) "" The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link."" So, yes, how do you fit in? You never answered how you fit in if it is MY burden to provide justification. you just talk about everything else and avoid the subject at hand! And..."you didn't answer the question. I put a COI tag " I did work on that. Your point was taken, but, back to the subject of the thread...WHY did you remove the external links?????? ovA_165443 01:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC) Well, you didn't provide justification. You keep not signing messages. You keep not answering how you are in touch with the article subjects. Your English is not good enough to ask and answer questions, or to understand answers when they are given to you. You don't seem to understand that your links were essentially a kind of spamming; I doubt you ever read the EL guideline. So take it to the article talk page, which is where this belonged since the beginning. Also, you keep making mistakes, and correcting them afterward; a clear sign you don't use preview. That means that every time I try to respond I get an edit conflict, which is bothersome. So I'm bored with it. Goodbye. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC) Andrea Ponsi In the middle of building page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Ponsi was changed because according to: "Editor's summary: /* Buildings */ weren't notable by themselves" In the process of documenting "by secondary sources" with references, however, however, these were wiped out! Instead of sending a note, the whole section of "Buildings" was erased by an architect and was replaced by "Gallery"...!?! Gallery of what? I think that a note or a talk would have been better than the presumptuous note that the buildings "were not notable by themselves"... ovA_165443 16:20, 12 August 2018 (UTC) That buildings are notable by our standards is easily proven by the existence of an article on those buildings. At the very least there should be serious secondary sources verifying the claim. "Gallery"--you yourself inserted a gallery (with one picture), so the change of header is pretty much a given. That it's in the process etc.--well, you could start with those secondary sources. As it is, you were compiling a resume. And something similar applies to the other article, which is excessive in many ways, including all the different sections that are basically just linkdumps. Drmies (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC) I see, ok! ovA_165443 00:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

BLP violations

You might want to take a look at Praytheearth - I just came across this while reviewing pending changes at Boogie2988 but the BLP violations are reasonably serious in terms of linking to defamatory accusations made by ex-girlfriends on personal YouTube videos, and there are some violations also about the ex girlfriend like [12] that might need to be redacted.Seraphim System ^(talk) 06:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Why does that dude even have an article? I see nothing whatsoever that resembles a claim to or proof of notabilty. John from Idegon (talk) 06:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Inclined to agree, I've nominated it for AfD.Seraphim System ^(talk) 06:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks. I did some scrubbing and explained at the AfD. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Lafargue DYK

I put some hooks up on the page--I know you were interested in seeing some, so I'm letting you know in case you wanted to take a look. Cheers, Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 07:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I quite understand

The question "where do you fit in?" is quite normal language in common usage here in the UK. It means to ask about your position within an organisation, in this case, wikipedia. On the other hand, though your command of English language is demonstrably better than my own, I believe you are perhaps not a native UKian? -Roxy, the dog. barcus 18:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, User:Drmies hails from Alabama. Many english speakers do not reside in the UK, I have found. MrDemeanour (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

How do they pronounce "Gouda" in Alabama? -Roxy, the dog. barcus 18:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

We need an audio file for this. MPS1992 (talk) 18:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Write it down, put it in front of a hog, and if they're willin', you'll find out. You might want to stand back, though. I don't think it hails much in Alabama. The jury's out on whether they speak English in Alabama.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Gotta be "goo-dah" (rhymes with "doo-dah"), rather than "how-dah," no? Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 18:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, but how do they pronounce "doo-dah"? MPS1992 (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Kind of like in this song as performed in this movie, of course. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 19:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

It's Dutch, and, IIRC, they pronounce it hoo-dah, or something like that. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 20:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

This gives me flashbacks to living in NYC (long before the internet) and not knowing how to pronounce gyro, which were sold on every corner. (Disclaimer: I still don't know, but at this point I no longer care.) Softlavender (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Same here. You're old, Softlavender? When I think of you, with your fluffy name, I think of a teenager, or a tween, whose biggest concern is whether to put her hair up or down, all carefree and innocent. With cats, and a Vespa. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Statement from uninvolved Softlavender: In my opinion, nothing quite beats the horror of how they pronounce "Van Gogh" in the UK. Softlavender (talk) 18:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

• Well, according to Youtube the French pronounce the name as "Verncent vawn Gergogay". Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

• Roxy, I know very well what you mean, and what the idiom is. But the user here wasn't trying to ask that, I believe; I don't think they were aiming at some existential, ethical, behavioral, moral, psychological, or otherwise introspective investigation--I think they were asking what the hell I was doing removing their external links. Please take Bbb23's commentary with a grain of salt: they are a millennial and part of our "new economy", which means no one knows what they're doing but they get better pay and health care than the rest of us. As for Van Gogh--he was a Limburger, or Brabander, whatever, and I'd denounce him and sell him to the Belgians if he wasn't such a god. I finally went to the VG museum in Amsterdam a couple of years ago and OMG it was really that amazing. Glane23, you win the internet tonight. AND SOMEONE TOOK OFF WITH MY BLAZING SADDLES ANNIVERSARY DVD AND LEFT ME THE BOX Drmies (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Millennial??? I'm a helluva lot younger than that. Roxy, don't do what he says. Salt is bad for your health. Just 'cause Drmies likes to eat bacon doesn't mean everyone has to ingest such unhealthy food. A votre sante.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:06, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• I'm baconed out, and I didn't say anything about that. Sorry, Überadmin. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

In the UK his name is pronounced Van Goff, which is right and proper. When I lived in Ramsgate, Van goff used to live just up the road from me, except that he was dead by then. There are actually two blue plaques, one in Royal Road, and one in Spencer Square, if I recall correctly. Royal road was an excellent road, leading to the harbour. Many eccentric people lived there. On the corner was the Artillery Arms, a pub from the early nineteenth century, where we used to get very drunk. Van Goff deffo used to get slashed in there too. John Le Mesurier would go in at lunchtime. He was just like Sergeant Wilson in real life. I hope this clarifies things for you all. Irondome (talk) 01:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

VAN GOFF? WTF? GET OFF MY TALK PAGE

Hey, I’m half (halgh) way through (throuff) writing an article on how GH sounds with one ear cut off and you’re messing up my research. Worse, someone at the Blazing Saddles article is insisting it’s fiction. O3000 (talk) 01:56, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

This I believe is what Softlavender was alluding to. Now, of course I do not say Van Goff. But the painful fact is that most English people do not say Goah, with the soft h, as is correct. Being bloody lazy, they say Goff. I do not, but a lot do. It was nice living near to where Van Gogh lodged. Seriously magical vibe near that house. [13] Here is a good link which shows Van Gogh's presence in Ramsgate, where he lived, and works the area inspired him to do. Irondome (talk) 02:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• DrM. The mother of one of my mates at primary school was from the Netherlands. She spoke the most neutral english English I have ever heard. It was a couple of years before I was convinced by her that she wasn't a native speaker. Then I heard her say "Gouda". Her dog was called "Vleck." It was a Dalmation. I've just now got it, fifty years later. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 19:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Haha, vlek--that's funny. There's a brand of jenever called "Vlek", and their slogan was "even een Vlekje wegwerken"--"getting rid of a little stain real quick". Drmies (talk) 22:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

A cry for your expertise

To mop or not to mop, that is the question. (Hamlet, Act III scene I)

Dear Mr. Administrator,

Considering your expertise on which users are "trolls" and which discussions are "finished", I would also be interested in your expert opinion on the following issue:

- The article Fox News mentions many times the (conservative) bias of this media outlet, which is supported by, among others, an article from the website of CNN;

- The article CNN has no mentioning whatsoever of its (liberal) bias, despite the availability of a variety of reliable sources for seth bias.

On the talk page of CNN there have been some users who shed light on this, seemingly, double standard, but all these discussions are closed now by you -- with the argument, and I quote, "I'm an administrator--sorry, i can do these kinds of things", while at the same time calling me, one of the users that drew attention to this matter, a, and I quote again, "troll".

Possibly, the (evident) double standard missed your attention, in which case I would request you to re-consider your previous actions and re-open the discussion about CNN's bias on the talk page of CNN.

Kind regards, Reedseque (talk) 03:31, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• There's plenty in the archives, most recently this, Talk:CNN#Left-leaning_Liberal_Bias. Drmies (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

BTW, much of the section you pointed to included edits by Mr. Daniel Plainview, a long time sock problem (and even a possible origin of a recent sock). I considered sockstriking the edits. But I was heavily involved, it was closed anyhow, and thought it would make a mess of the thread. Not certain the correct procedure in such circumstances. (Pardon the imagery.)O3000 (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah you can strike through everything, but that's a lot of work. One wonders if anyone has discovered anything interesting about this brand-new user. Drmies (talk) 00:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, if you're talking about the recently blocked sock, he wasn’t given enough rope for a positive id. But, I think you guys satisfied his inclination for erotic asphyxiation. (I won't add an image for that.) Ah, if you meant our new friend, just another guy who knows the truth™. O3000 (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

THE GLOBAL INVEST and socks

It appears that you deleted THE GLOBAL INVEST a few minutes ago as G3. I think there is sockpuppetry, because User:Minhasaim submitted an empty draft with the same title within the past few minutes. I can't check the history. Whoever created the one that you deleted is probably socking. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm there's a blocked user in the history of the other article they edited, a username block, as well. Thanks; I'll have a look. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean P. Jackson

The creator of the article in question just moved it back to Draft:Sean P. Jackson. Any objection if I close the AfD with a note that the sole contributor has withdrawn it back to draft space? —C.Fred (talk) 02:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

• I saw you did, C.Fred, and I'm fine with it, but the larger issue (of promotion, and/or self-promotion) is still there. Had the article gotten a clear delete that would have answered one question, perhaps, for the editor. As it is, their comment shows they still don't know what we do here and how we do it; outright deletion might have indicated to them that the person wasn't notable--but obviously you were working with the facts as they were before you, the article having been moved back. We just need to keep an eye on that editor, and it may well be that they end up being blocked for promotion anyway. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 17:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
• C.Fred, it seems I missed a lot of the action on User talk:Sjacksonn01 that followed your closure of the AfD and your subsequent comments. Drmies (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess I took the move to draft as a mild concession: they were saying they haven't made clear that the subject is notable, so they'll work on it some more and try to resubmit. That's why I left the closing message I did. However, based on their 17:09 comment today, they may not be long for editing the article, whether it be topic ban or block. I just saw that comment myself. —C.Fred (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Yep. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Why did you delete my sandbox?

You've deleted my sandbox & I can't understand why you needed to do this. (talk • contribs) 05:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC) MAN LIKE MARZ (talk) 05:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

• This sandbox looks ok to me, like a user preparing wikitables to put into articles. I'd say one thing though, User:MAN LIKE MARZ, individual goal lists are not usually put into player articles, so you might want to think about that. Black Kite (talk) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I simply use the sandbox for myself to keep track of the current Preston squad's goals for personal enjoyment. Is that not the point of it being a "User Sandbox"? MAN LIKE MARZ (talk) 12:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
    • No it isn't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
    • No. If you're preparing material to go into articles etc., then that's fine. If you're using it as a personal sandbox, then that fails this policy on using Wikipedia as a web host. Black Kite (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Jeffman12345

Please revoke TPA. That was really fast :) ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah. *yawn* Drmies (talk) 04:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Someone like your userpage

[14] ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ugh. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Demotion

You obviously lack impulse control. Don't try to strong arm other users or your admin rights will be demoted and you will be banned from making edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithraeum (talk • contribs) 15:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mithraeum: You should really try backing up for a bit, tell yourself that the other editors are trying to help the site, and think about how to approach this with the perspective that this is a collaborative project. Negotiate instead of bullying while accusing others of bullying. Threatening people (especially when you don't really have policy backing those threats) only makes you look like the bad guy. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, edit warring against the WP:STATUSQUO doesn't help either. Wait until there's a consensus that includes more than you on the talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Ian.thomson Check my talk page, he is been pretty much vandalizing it for no reasons. They're trying to censor content for political motivations and this guy is just playing along. I haven't done anything wrong to back down, its him abusing admin privileges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithraeum (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

1. Drmies isn't censoring or abusing anything. 2. They're not going to be demoted or be banned from making edits. 3. You should read the Law of holes. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mithraeum: I did check. You're not in a position to view what's going on objectively. You keep approaching this with the assumption that everyone but you is editing in bad faith, which is the opposite of one of the foundational site principles (one that must be followed or else the entire project is a waste of time). Ian.thomson (talk) 15:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Question: Would this demotion involve a pay cut? ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

My pay gets halved all the time. Or doubled. Same effect either way. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

You know what? You deserve a 4x increase in pay! I'll see it gets done. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Why do we tolerate people like this? What do you suppose the odds are that they are going to learn to play well with others? 1%? Less? How many editor-hours is this person going to chew up? --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:ROPE. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Seems like a bad deal. We let you disrupt, harass, and insult for a longer time, and in return, you will complain when you're banned the same as if we'd done it 2 weeks earlier. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Waste of time. Delaying the almost certain inevitable. BTW, there's a small amount of abusive IP socking by the user. Not enough for me to block on that basis, but, with the rest, it certainly supports an indefinite block.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I didn't block them the first time cause they had such a cool username. For those blocks you don't get the bonus check. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: check the Talk:Persian People page as well. The image is being removed for no reason. I have simply copied an image from another Wikipedia article, but unfortunately due to the open source nature of this platform, mob mentality prevails. None of the people commenting on that talk page have any substantive reasons for removing the content other than strong arming another user. If this isnt resolved, I will definitely follow up with a bona fide wiki authority. Can't have bunch of clowns abusing admin privileges.

Mithraeum12:29, 16 August 2018 (EST)

I have "demoted" Mithraeum instead, by means of an indefinite block. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Having read through the entire mess, I was about to make my quarterly administrative contribution when I noticed you beat me to it, with more flair than I would. Oh well. See you all in November or something. MLauba ^(Talk) 16:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I love a Disney ending. Softlavender (talk) 23:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Not acceptable. Reedseque (talk) 13:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

First a demotion, now a block. Whatever will you be threatened with next? Loss of paid vacation? Docking of rations? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

No don't dock the rations again. I can't live on 5 grams of coffee a week. Drmies (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, it was so awful, you tried percolating the cat.--Mr Fink (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

• I believe the proper escalation after being demoted and then blocked is to be mocked by a Frenchman with an outrageous accent. I fart in your general direction! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

cat protection and coffee ration person here (you say 5 grams a week, why not put the cat out? Wikipedia:Service awards‎... ?), you have no fart in your direction, the distance is too far to reach you... JarrahTree 14:35, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

cat flung out and dispensed, sorry to have tainted the landscape JarrahTree 15:02, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm does that explain that there's another cat across the street now, the spitting image of our own Toasty the cat? Drmies (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Sent you an e-mail, Drmies, about an editor harassing people

Hello, Drmies. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Lolifan (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you. I'm on it. Drmies (talk) 21:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
• Lolifan, I looked over it but without any evidence of actual on-wiki harassment there is little I can do. Besides, if you do have such evidence, it is probably better to email it directly to ArbCom: they are better equipped to handle those kinds of things than me. If you have such evidence, ArbCom is your next step. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:59, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Questions about reversion and deletion of my content

You recently reverted edits I made on two pages: Wisconsin Department of Transportation and Tennessee Department of Transportation. In both cases your comment was only "You need better sourcing than that." I am just curious about what you found insufficient with the sources I cited.

Additionally, you nominated my user sandbox for deletion. You comment on the deletion discussion page, "Can't really figure out what this is, but at least it looks like a violation of some copyright guidelines, and etc.", confuses me. I would like to know what specifically violates copyright and ultimately why a sandbox would be nominated for deletion.

I would appreciate if you could clarify these for me. Thank you. Knoah _{[ User ][ Talk ]} 00:14, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hello Knoah. For the sandbox, please see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. For the Wisconsin article, the sourcing actually might be acceptable and I don't object to a revert, but for the Tennessee page, half the content is sourced to a "franklinhomepage". Such "controversy" content should really have bigger sources than that, and in the TN article it seems you're alleging corruption--otherwise I don't know what that second section is supposed to do. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Range block

Think you might want to revoke talk access for that range - [15]. Home Lander (talk) 02:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oh I thought I'd let them whine a bit about trans this and Asian that and Marxist whatever. Ha, it's always funny to hear incompetent writers whine about English professors. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

The Little Nigar 2

22 August

Happy birthday
C.D.

Remember the dog food ad? I need an admin to move this Debussy-related hook to the full queue 4 for tomorrow, the composer's birthday, complementing the TFA, - only a few hours to go. It's under the special occasion hooks. I hate to push but am sure that our readers will not understand if we bring it a few days later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oh I'm sorry Gerda, but you'll have to ask someone who isn't pressed for time and who knows what they're doing... Drmies (talk) 17:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• I asked several. Those who know what they are doing give up now. Perhaps someone is left and watches? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
• Alex Shih did it! - This is quite a musical week: Debussy 22 (TFA), Bernstein centenary 25, Vaughan Williams dead 150 years 26 (TFA). Will write about compositions every day, o clap your hands! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and all who helped here with The Little Nigar who joined his creator on the main page on the composer's birthday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, I saw the title pop up in class--I was showing my Freshman Comp class the front page, which led us to Debussy. I gave you a shoutout cause we looked at the FA review, and you're the first one there. My one German student didn't seem to know who Bach was. Drmies (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

You'll shout louder for my contribs to the peer review ;) - I am so proud that I omitted one word on both occasions. Today's little gift: pour le piano. What do you think, should the DYK perhaps center on the pictured lady? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Large birds

You might want to keep an eye on your userpage, in case it gets any funny ideas about joining a flightless-bird revolution.[16] DMacks (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm that could be dangerous. Thanks. I should do something about that userpage, one of these days. Drmies (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Sharon Pincott

Hey Drmies, Something weird is going on at Sharon Pincott - it looks like a raft of WP:SPAs have created a puff piece. I started cleaning it up and started a discussion on the talk page which resulted in 19 reversions of my edits to the article. I'm wondering if you might lend an eye. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 22:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah, Arnie1000 needs to slow down. That was indeed a puff piece. I left them a note--I hope they pay attention, since we both know how these cases frequently end. You've done some fine pruning; I hope you're not done. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

22:45, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Please can I ask: Is Swister Twister not a seasoned editor? It is that user who approved format and content intially, and guided the creation of the page, and the initial approval of the page, extensively.

Thanks Drmies. Let's close this discussion here and continue it on User talk:Arnie1000 as I've done on my talk page. Toddst1 (talk) 23:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Climax Blues Band

Apologies for the childish antics. When will I have the opportunity to set the record straight for Climax Blues Band? Thestormbrewer

(talk page watcher) Hi Thestormbrewer Just a few general comments.

1. Wikipedia's role is not to set the record straight; article content is only intended to reflect what reliable sources (preferably secondary and independent ones) are saying about a particular subject. Please read Wikipedia:Tendentious editing#Righting great wrongs for more on this. If reliable sources start covering the matter in question, then it might be possible for such content to be added to the relevant article as long as it's done in accordance with any other relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
2. Something appears to be out of sorts with your signature, not only on Drmies talk page but on other pages as well. Are you following the suggestions made in Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts? The easiest way to sign your posts would be to add four tilde (~~~~) at the end. This will add your username and a time stamp to the end of your posts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

47.60.50.206 and JamesOredan

Hi. Am I just seeing things or is 47.60.50.206 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) JamesOredan evading his block? It seems to me WP:DUCK applies. Kleuske (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Celebrity Big Brother UK 2018 S22

I don't understand. Channel 5 don't do much it Endemol as they cerate the show, the deliver the show to Channel 5, they do most of the work. Channel 5 just sit in an office and say yes and no to things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

• I don't understand either. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  • At Elstree (where the house is) they have all their production team and everything they need to put the show on channel 5. They would have to know the rating for each episode more or less straight away, that's how the team find out if their ideas are giving strong or not so strong views. If they don't have the ratings they don't know how well their show is doing. Channel 5 don't really do anything other than sort the bill out and air the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
    • • I still don't really know all that you're saying, but all of it doesn't matter: such information needs to come from independent, secondary sources, and that's really all there is to it. Drmies (talk) 01:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
        • what I was trying to say is endemol are the production company so they will have the overnight ratings aswell as channel 5. So it is a valid source. Anyway if wiki really don't use sources like that than fine but i'm very surprised. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
          • Slindsell15, I know what Endemol is, and I know that they will probably know the ratings. But you may benefit from learning the difference between primary and secondary sources. Moreover, why would you think that they would be truthful in their tweets? That this surprises you surprises me: it is one of the basic rules for writing an encyclopedia that aims to be neutral. And will you PLEASE sign your messages? I asked you once already. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Sweet, and supportive

Hi Drmies, this is actually quite sweet and supportive of you for the candidate. Thought I'll leave my appreciation here. Best, Lourdes 15:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

references for further reading on Manhattan project

man only i need something of a source to read further that Manhattan project actually engaged in active combat in france and italy offensives. Galib x360 (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)