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Could I use this video in an article?

I'm not super familiar with copyright laws. I was wondering if it would be possible to upload this video to commons. It was made in December 1934. Thanks!  ~ HAL333 03:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi HAL333. Commons and Wikipedia are techinically separate projects with their own respective policies and guidelines which means you might get a more definite answer over at c:COM:VPC; however, in general, (as explained in c:COM:HIRTLE) 1934 is not really a long time ago with respect to copyright, so most likely just being from 1934 is not in and of itself sufficient to claim this footage is WP:PD. The person who uploaded it to YouTube is also almost certainly not the original creator of the content which means that the file most likely wouldn't be kept by Commons just based upon the uploader giving their WP:CONSENT. The uploader may, however, be able to help clarify the provenance of the video which might help determine whether it might be PD for some other reason.

The article Share Our Wealth states that Long made the speech in a national radio address in 1934, but makes no mention of any footage of the event (give the date it's unlikely to have been a video recording as we think of video these days, but rather a newsreel type of thing). If, for example, the footage was taken by a US federal government employee as part of their official duties, it might be PD per WP:PD#US government works. Long was a US Senator in 1934 so it's possible he gave the speech at some official government event. Even if that was the case, however, it would still be better to try and find a copy of the footage as close to the original source as possible (like an official US government website); some times when people upload things to YouTube, they might be uploading a derivative of the original work; for example, the video might have subtitles/closed-captioning or might have some backgroud music added which generally means there are other copyrighted elements that need to be considered in addition to the original footage. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I just tried looking up some info, and it looks like it will depend on whether it was copyrighted or not, and when, and whether the copyright was extended. If it was copyrighted and extended, then for works between 1923 and 1978, the copyright lasts for 95 years from original date, so not yet in the public domain. If you know how long the entire speech is, and this is an excerpt, then it might fall under fair use, though probably too long. I also looked up the speech by transcribing a bit, and it looks like it was a Dec. 11, 1934 speech to congressional interns, and it's certainly possible that the video wasn't ever copyrighted. Sorry not to be able to answer more completely, but hope that's a little help. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 04:45, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@HAL333: - I tried searching a bit more, and it looks like it was staffers rather than interns, a variant of his "barbecue" speech. Here's the most complete info I've found, which also has some other segments of the speech: https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hueyplongbarbecuespeechpressclub.htm (they have the year wrong, and he died before Dec. 1935). -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 05:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I really appreciate the comments. I'm trying to get his article up to GA status and a film of him would be cool. I'll try to dig a little deeper. Worse case scenario, I'll have to wait until 2029. Thanks! ~ HAL333 02:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

How to warn a disruptive editor?

Hi. Someone is just going around changing wiki pages against what sources say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.202.231.107

I noticed it in a page I watched. Then I clicked and noticed the others. First, is this stalking? I clicked because I've seen a lot of people who do the same thing. Go on Arab scientists/history and change it to berber/greek/persian. Sometimes they do it once a week but this person did it multiple times a day so they should be warned, right? Can I post a warning on their page? Which level warning? Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Julia Domna Ba'al: The edit from today was reverted. Yust add a warning to his talkpage, if he resumes, either escalate the warning or take him to WP:AIV. You should generally start with a level 1 warning except for certain egrious types, thats something you have to get a feeling for. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks I will check out these links. I added level 2 warning since it's definitely intentional. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 06:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:Someone is hopping IP addresses making weird edits. I put one warning on one IP and they just jumped to another. What is the process here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.125.155.190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.125.154.164

Also, I did more than 3 reverts, is that ok? There's nothing to discuss really, that person is just trolling so we can't go to the talk page.

Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Confront a group of users acting in bad faith

A group of editors (about 15 of them) have been hidden-pinging each other in Talk pages of various controversial articles in the middle of discussions in order to stack votes. Some of them even edit out the hidden-pings later. I was wondering if there is a good way to deal with this without turning it into a WP:WITCHHUNT. User:DontWannaDoThis^≠ 19:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

DontWannaDoThis can you mention any pages on which this was done recently? The one I found fro9m your edit was over a month ago, and the editor involved hasn't edited en.Wikipedia since being warned. Nothing to do there. Any more recent instances of this? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel:, I just wanted to know what to do in such a situation. User:DontWannaDoThis^≠ 09:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with citations

Hello. I am a new wiki writer and need help. I wrote this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rick_Berks and apparently did a crap job with it! I assumed Rick Berks was notable because he started Planet Fitness, a giant chain of gyms in the USA, and there are pages of articles that mention him. I assumed too much. Would someone help me fix it? Katherine311MH (talk) 23:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC) Katherine311MH (talk) 23:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

The comments that you've already got there ask for additional references. Mere number of sources counts for little; they have to be from within reliable newspapers, news websites, etc. Best is to look for these. Incidentally, one of your references reads (after I've removed some mark-up): Facebook; Twitter; options, Show more sharing; Facebook; Twitter; LinkedIn; Email; URLCopied!, Copy Link; Print (2013-04-19). "New gym in town hopes it's a good fit". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 2020-07-16. What's the first two thirds of that about? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what that is either, it was a citation from San Diego Union-Tribune. Maybe I accidentally pasted something else? The ways of wiki are obviously not clear to me. Anyway, he seems to be notable, so if someone else wants to take a crack at it the edits would be welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katherine311MH (talk • contribs) 00:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I clicked on the link. Unsurprisingly, "Facebook; Twitter; options, Show more sharing; Facebook; Twitter; LinkedIn; Email; URLCopied!, Copy Link; Print" is not part of the title; it looks as if somebody intended to copy and paste the title but was too inclusive. (Really, this has nothing to do with the ways of Wiki; it would be the same in a class assignment.) The article has a named author: Tom Sheridan. My point being that if you can produce more good sources and it looks as if you've tried your hardest, then people are more likely to want to help. You could also post a request where it's likely to be read by people who are interested in the subject: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Health and fitness is one possibility that comes to mind. -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

That's a good idea, thanks.Katherine311MH (talk) 12:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Berk's modest role in Planet Fitness history is covered in that article. Separate from that, his career may not be notable by Wikipedia standards. Being in the fitness business, owning a racehorse, etc., not newsworthy enough. David notMD (talk) 10:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC): Thanks for your input.Katherine311MH (talk) 12:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

merging refs

Hello. I tried looking this up, but a definitive answer didn't jump out--how do you combine references where once source is used twice, when the refs are already there? That is, the ref wasn't named in the citation template drop down. Is there a name template that is put before the first use of the ref when re-editing? Sorry if that's not clear... Thank you. Caro7200 (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Caro7200, and welcome to the Teahosue. Good question. You use named references Basically you give a ref a name, then reuse it. More specifically type <ref name="name">text of the citation</ref> to define the ref, then type <ref name="name"/> to use it. This is in the source (wikitext) editor. The name can be almost anyting, althoguh it can't be just numbers. A name must be unique within an article. I like names of the form Pub-Date, such as NYT-10Jan20 for an article from the NY Times dated 10 January 2020. But you may use any convention you please. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Repeated_citations and Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_using_a_source_more_than_once for details. Doing this is very good practice. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Got it, thank you very much. Caro7200 (talk) 13:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Need help for a page about protests in Mali

Can someone help me in the page 2020 Malian protests, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloxMoon (talk • contribs) 04:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi BloxMoon. I think you'd be better of moving that article to the draft namespace so that you continue to work on improving it. Right now, all you've got is a single unsourced sentence, an infobox and a navigation template which means there's a good chance that unless you improve things fairly quickly that it's going to end up deleted or draftified. Once something has been added to the article namespace, it's pretty much there for anyone to edit at anytime; so, while it's possible that someone may come along and help improve the article, it seems more likely that someone is going to tag, prod or nominate it for deletion. By moving it to draft status, you be able to work on improving things at your own pace and then you can submit the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. If after reading this you want to move the article to the draft namespace but aren't sure how, just ask below and one of the Teahouse hosts will do it for you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I have draftified this now, so you can work on it till its truely an article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@BloxMoon: I added some references and some content that already existed in the article 2020 in Mali. Now it is a live article in the encyclopedia again. Please continue to expand your article from the sources cited. So much more could be said about this topic, clearly! Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Making a template

Hello

Good Morning, how would I make a template? 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Templates on Wikipedia come in a lot of different forms to serve all kinds of purposes. Some templates are easy to make; others take a large amount of technical knowledge and is very, very difficult to get right. Why do you want a template, and what do you want it to do? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for answering Ganbaruby! How would I make a template to indicate that an article is a disambiguation page? 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Do none of the templates in Category:Disambiguation message boxes meet your needs already? --ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know that page existed. I did type templates but nothing came up. 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

That's OK: this is a place to learn. I found that by entering "Template:DAB" into the search bar ("Template:Disambiguation" would have worked too). That took me to Template:Disambiguation, and I found the Category mentioned there. --ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!(I'm the same person, by the way, it's just my IP changed). 92.0.199.251 (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help. On a separate note, have you considered creating an account? That way, you won't have to worry about your IP changing, and you can keep a history of your editing. Plus, it's actually safer, as your IP isn't public! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft deleted

Why ma=y draf deleted ? Deep Vaghasiya (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Deep Vaghasiya, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you're talking about User:Deep Vaghasiya/sandbox/Deep Vaghasiya, that hasn't been deleted so far, but (as the message on your user talk page says) writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, and if you carry on doing so you are likely to have a frustrating time. If you're talking about another draft, I can't tell what that was or why it was deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 12:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Deep Vaghasiya and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you refer to User:Deep Vaghasiya it was deleted for (U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host: self written vanity page, see WP:YFA, WP:RS, WP:COI, [WP:Notability (people)]]. It was a page apaprently intended to look like a Wikipedia article, but not in the right location for a draft. It was also unsourced. Your user page is intended to describe you as a Wikipedia editor. It may contain some brief biographical information, but should not be an article, or a draft for one, about you (or about anything else). See WP:AUTOBIO for reasons not to make an autobiographical article anywhere on Wikipedia. See WP:DRAFT for where and when to create drafts and how they are used. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Good Afternoon TeaHouse, can users ask the TeaHouse factual questions rather than Wikipedia-Related questions? Have a nice day! ReedBlower (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi ReedBlower such questions go to the Reference Desk, which is subdivided by topic area. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm new around here! ReedBlower (talk) 13:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Help in contributing/copy-editing article about a actor died today

Hi editors, hope you are going well, today Junaid Shah , Indian model and actor died due to cardiac arrest at his home. Kindly look into the article, and contribute, copy-edit at your level. Best. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 14:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: Welcome to Wikipedia. The article has been updated to include the death. Additional suggestions should do onto the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @RudolfRed:, Thanks for the response, someone have added a tag of proposed deletion on this article Junaid Shah for non notability. While it is notable as per WP:GNG and also passes WP: THREE . There are independent stories on him in the news. What to do now?. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 02:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

my article was redirected

my article name is pradeep ranganathan. this article was established last month in wikipedia and it was there till last week but suddenly the article was removed from wikipedia. i have also given reliable source reference to the article. i want to know how to reestablish the page. thank you Mani rulz (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Mani rulz, Your creation Pradeep Ranganathan has been redirected to Comali as it was too soon to be here due to failure in satisfying notability (people) ~ Amkgp 💬 15:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

You restored it to Pradeep Ranganathan. It's notability may still be challenged. David notMD (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Including quotes from subject in biographical article.

I recently created a new article, the previous version of which had been deleted for copyright violations.

Among its subsequent changes, another editor removed a quote from the article's subject along with its accompanying reference, indicating that no quotes from the subject should be included in biographical articles. I've looked around a bit but haven't found anything concrete that says that this is a recommended or best practice. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks. Kumboloi (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Kumboloi, You may go through Wikipedia:Don't overuse quotes and Wikipedia:Quotations and neutrality essay to understand the problem ~ Amkgp 💬 15:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ~ Amkgp, that was helpful. Kumboloi (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution gone awry

When I had a dispute with another editor on an article, I tried using the dispute resolution process. The whole thing went sideways, however, and I'd like an uninvolved editor to help me understand where I went wrong. I'd rather not do it on a public noticeboard, however. Is there anyone who can help? Thanks! --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS.   Maproom (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Slugger O'Toole: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you're referring to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Catholic Church and HIV/AIDS: well, that's a whole lot of reading that I'm not going to go into. However, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:It's not the end of the world. Remember to AGF and move on. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, I'm not upset, as in emotional, over the incident. I do, however, want to avoid similar situations in the future. If you can't help that's fine, but I would appreciate someone who could. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, some advice.

1. You went to dispute resolution over an issue in which yours was the minority view. The discussion made it clear that yours was the minority view. Fair enough – that can happen to anyone.
2. Throughout the resolution process, you took a combative attitude. That didn't help your cause.
3. Having realised (I hope) that you had lost the argument, you are still concerned about it, as shown by your raising the issue here. That's your biggest mistake. In six month's time, no-one else will remember the issue. You should forget about it too. I'm sure you have more constructive, and pleasanter, ways to spend your time. (For me, a big attraction of Wikipedia editing is that no-one is assessing my performance. I don't have a boss, and none of my colleagues is aware of most of the things I do. If something I do turns out badly, I can just walk away.)   Maproom (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• (I'm guessing the above was meant to address Slugger O'Toole.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

LEVAS KAMWAJO Is a zambian man who live in mazabuka.

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Hello, do you have a specific question you want to ask? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Formatting

Hello I need help with formating, and i need to create Biography wheni use biography template, i dont see any editing features, how do i activate those. It shows me the page with pic of socrates, but on my computer i am unable to activate and open any links to edit. I have tried it a couple of times. Please help and advise. How do i increase relevance and relaibilty of page. thanks for you help Pancham1 (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pancham1, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a little confused about what you're trying to ask here. What's this "biography template" you are referring to? If you're referring to Template:Infobox person, please take a look at the documentation, where it explains what the different parameters do. If you're referring to how to format citations, see Help:Referencing for beginners. In general, the best advice I can give you for how to format a Wikipedia article is to look at an existing article and copy its formatting. As for your draft at Draft:Gurukul Vrindavan, Mathura UP, an editor has provided feedback at the top of the page. I would suggest you to read their comments as well as Wikipedia:Notability (people) before you revise your draft. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

If you read Template:Biography you'll see that it tells you that you need to substitute the template into your new article draft and save it there, then you can edit it further. It won't allow you to edit the template page, because that needs to remain unaltered for other editors to use. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

help with publishing a draft new page

Please help me publishing this draft properly

Dear all! I just created the following draft page for the English Wikipedia. As I can only create drafts, I need someone who reviews it and publish it! The link to the new page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Marquisate_of_Maratea&action=history

This page is the English version of another one in Spanish, which is the following: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquesado_de_Maratea

So I guess both pages should be "linked" so when you enter the one in Spanish you can go to langages and read the English version and viceversa.

Also, on the new draft I created in English I don't know how to properly make the simbols/images appear...I mean that in the Spanish version a coat of arms appear, a picture of the titleholder, etc...But in my draft it doesn't appear and it definitely should.

Thanks a lot everyone! Lexartur (talk) 18:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lexartur, and welcome to the Teahouse. Draft space is the right place for this, because it needs some work before it is put into the main article space. As you have found, translating a Wikipedia article is much more than just translating the text. Have you read translation? You need to translate or convert some things behind the scenes: I have done a couple of them for you - changed the template "Ficha de título nobiliario" to "infobox family" - but you will have to look at the parameters to Template:infobox family and supply the ones that are missing or differently named. I have changed the "Archivo" to "File" to get the image to appear - that worked because this image is in Wikimedia commons, but if it had been uploaded directly to es-wiki, that would not have worked.

A Spanish noble family almost certainly meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, but in general, just because an article exists in another-language Wikipedia doesn't guarantee that it will be acceptable in en-wiki. Finally, it is a condition under which all the material in Wikipedia is licensed that copying is permitted as long as it is attributed: this applies even with a Wikipedia. So you need to attribute it. This is most easily done in the Edit Summary when you create it, but you can do it on the draft's Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Trouble editing

Hi there, i am having trouble editing today, i can put the text in however the cite and adding link buttons are not working. Is this happening for anyone else? Thankyou Ukdatageek (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ignore me, all sorted! Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukdatageek (talk • contribs) 21:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

How can I get Jonathan

 105.112.99.128 (talk) 22:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

...offer attractive terms of employment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia, IP user? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:49, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help filling out references on an article

Runeterra dozens of bare url references and I'm not able to finish filling them all out today, and I can't install autowiki browser either.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: You don't need autowiki browser to automatically fill in bare urls. If you go to the visual editor (which is available to all editors), you can use the "convert" button to make them into pretty-good references automatically, the majority of the time. I'd recommend you do that for now. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I usually avoid the visual editor because I have less control of formatting, but that sounds like a great feature. Thanks.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: You might want to consider User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill. I use the bookmarklet to convert multiple bare URLs on a page. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: You should definitely try it out! I basically never do references in source mode anymore (except for {{cite encyclopedia}}, which the visual editor doesn't do). Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't edit due to extended confirmed protection

Fiona Graham I need to add some sentences in this page, but I can't because I'm new on wikipedia. Is there a away to unprotect this wikipedia page? Harisidikk (talk) 03:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Harisidikk. The article has been protected because in the past it has been the subject to repeated disruptive editing. If you're unable to edit the account because of the protection, you can make an edit request at Talk:Fiona Graham. Someone who is able to edit the article will look over the changes you're proposing and assess whether they're in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Deccan Chargers: BCCI to pay DCHL Rs 4800 crore

 182.57.170.168 (talk) 08:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question? Or comment? If about a specific article, what is the name of the article? You made one change to Deccan Chronicle about ownership, but it was reverted because you removed content that had a reference and replaced it with content without a reference. Verification required. David notMD (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Deccan Chargers#Franchise termination mentions BCCI and DCHL, but I couldn’t find anything about the 48 billion. You’ll need to be more specific. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (20:53 Sun 19, AEST) 10:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

why i can't translate from Arabic to English?

everytime i tried to translate from arabic to english, i receive a message saying that the page can not be published as it required a more experience editor. who are the more experience editors and how can i start that? Ahmad hisham Helmy (talk) 08:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

If you are trying to use the content translation tool, the restrictions are described in the first paragraph. If you are proposing to translate manually, the instructions are at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion tag added on Junaid Shah

Hi Editors, I created an article yesterday about a bollywood actor Junaid Shah who died yesterday due to cardiac arrest. An editor has added proposed deletion tag on it as he claimed that article doesn't fall under notability. But I believe it is notable as per WP:GNG and WP:THREE. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 08:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC) — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 08:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Given that it is a "Proposed" deletion, you are empowered to remove the deletion tag, providing your rationale in your Edit summary. The editor who added the "Proposed" is prohibited from reverting your removal, but does have the right to start the more formal Article for Deletion process. David notMD (talk) 09:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I agree that when a model resembles an actor, that does not make the model notable. David notMD (talk) 14:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thanks for your precious time. Yes he resembles to an actor but also featured on some TV channels like MTV, Zee TV and more. Also did many modeling assignments. So I think it makes it notable.— The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 05:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I need help understanding terminology

Hi I’m trying to get a page about my old band but to be honest I’m completely lost Dogzenzendog (talk) 11:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

When you say "get a page", do you mean "create a page"? If so, please don't, because it's your old band. Please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: This is probably about Draft:Dancing counterparts, and without references, no chance this becomes an article (Wikipedia does not do "pages"). David notMD (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Biographical sketch

How does a retired Navy flag officer and Corporate Executive get a biographical sketch in Wikipedia? 174.69.4.174 (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, if this person is notable (according to Wikipedia's slightly odd concept of notability) such that a number of reliable, disinterested, published sources write about him, then one or more of Wikipedia's editors who are unrelated to him may decide to use (but not plagiarize!) these sources to write a draft for an article. After some time, this is given a quick examination by an experienced editor, and if it's at least moderately good, it's upgraded from draft to article. Thereafter one hopes that editors unrelated to him will continue to update and improve the article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Per above Q&A, these are articles, not pages or biographical sketches. And if you are the flag officer in question, Wikipedia frowns on attempting autobiography. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Link rot

Hey there. I have a question regarding link rot, the most complicated thing in WP for me. I wanted to find an archive for this site: [1] for the page Timelapse of the Future. I tried going to Wayback Machine, and there is one capture, but it is not in the date that I wanted, and even in that single capture, it is already dead. I tried going to other archive sites, but they don't have an archive; some even require subscription! Is there any hope, or is it forgotten forever? GeraldWL 13:16, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerald Waldo Luis. Archives that require registration or some kind of fee are probably OK per WP:PAYWALL as long as the archive site is reliable and is a true reflection of the original source. If you aren't unable to access the site or don't want to pay to access the site, perhaps someone at WP:RX or WP:FACT can help. There's also the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. Another thing sometimes can happen is that at some point a source switches to a new domain which means that the archives for the current one might only go so far back; so, sometimes you might have to go back a try and see if the is what happened. Regardless, if an archive of source cannot be found, it still if generally considered OK simply to tag the source with Template:Dead link per WP:KDL unless you can find a suitable replacement for it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, there is a search engine for web archives. Please see Wikipedia:Memento for more information. I have tried searching for your link, but it seems to not load correctly. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

How to know if acceptable to remove an image on an article?

On the Quicksand article, a user edited the "In popular culture" section (changing it to "In animated culture") to add a not particularly notable example of quicksand in a TV show in a way that disrupted the flow of the paragraph. I wanted to revert the edit with the reason of WP:IPCV, but the user had also added an image to the section. I'm not certain about image usage rights stuff, or when it's okay to remove images (image is relevant, even if the example feels very random and possibly placed because the user likes the show or something). Is just reverting everything here fine? Undead Shambles (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Undead Shambles, welcome to the Teahouse. Without commenting on the text, that image looks like a blatant copyright violation. I've tagged it for speedy deletion on Wikimedia Commons (where it's currently hosted) and removed it from the article. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 13:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad: Oh, well thanks! Will need to read up on image copyrights at some point. :P Undead Shambles (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Undead Shambles, no worries; thanks for noticing it! To explain that case, if you're interested: it seems highly unlikely that the person that uploaded it had the rights to the TV show (Wikipedia accounts have to be held by individual people, for a start, whereas the copyright for that presumably rests in a corporation), and there's no evidence that the TV company gave the rights for anyone to reuse images from it. Where it gets trickier is fair use of images that the uploader doesn't own—but the editor in question wasn't claiming fair use, had uploaded to Commons where everything has to be freely licensed for reuse (as opposed to directly to Wikipedia, which is where fair use stuff goes), and in any case had uploaded the image in way too large a resolution for it to be allowed under Wikipedia's policy (and potentially under US copyright law). YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 14:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad: Thank you for the explanation! :) I was secretly wondering about fair use but had also forgotten Commons is separate from Wikipedia. Undead Shambles (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Copyright issues aside, it’s fine to remove irrelevant images from an article, Undead Shambles. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (20:59 Sun 19, AEST) 10:59, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

why Gobind Ballabh pant institute of technology, Okhla New Delhi is getting rejected ?

pls suggest corrections and helpme getting this posted on wiki , this is my first post already three times rejected Support required from existing expert users

Extended content

G B pant institute of technology is a Govt Engineering Institute located in Okhla, New Delhi.[1] Formerly it was known as G B Pant Polytechnic. Presently reffered as G B Pant or GBPIT G.B. Pant Institute of technology,Okhla New Delhi Introduction G B Pant was Established in 1961. It is regulated by The Directorate of Training and Technical Education of Delhi government.[2] The institute is affiliated to Board of Technical Education , Delhi[3](BTE). It was named after Govind Ballabh Pant who was an Indian Freedom fighter and Union Home minister of India[4](1955~1961) Campus GOLDEN JUBLEE.jpg G B pant Campus is Located in Okhla Pahse -III New Delhi 110020, Campus spread over 20.25acres. Campus of G B Pant is at a walking distance from Govindpuri Delhi Metro Station Presently Mr RK mangoch is Principal of G B Pant[5] Ms Rashmi Panwar is Training and Placement Officer[6] G B pant Institute of technology has 5 Academic departments: Mechanical, Automobile, Civil, Production and Electrical.[7] This institute offering a special course as a collaborative effort with Mercedes Benz India named as Advance Diploma in Automotive Mechatronics (ADAM)[8] The MOU between G B pant institute of technology & Mercedes Benz india[9] signed on 25 october 2017 Delhi Government allotted increased funds for College campus up gradation and Infrastructure development[10] References "G B Pant Institute of Technology". GBPIT. G. B. PANT INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, OKHLA, NEW DELHI. "Directorate of Training and Technical Education". DTTE. Directorate of Training and Technical Education. "Board of Technical Education". BTE. Board of Technical Education. "Union Home Minister 1955~1961". Ministry of home affairs. "Principal". GBPIT. GBPIT. "Training & Placement cell". GBPIT. GBPIT. "List of courses and colleges". eduresult. "G. B. PANT INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY AUTOMOTIVE MECHATRONIC RESEARCH CENTRE". AMRC. GBIT. "MOU for ADAM". Business World. Business World. "Fund for Campus development". hindustan times. hindustan times.

 Monurawal17 (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Monurawal17: On your talk page, the review wrote "Of the few independent sources provided, they're mere mentions. We need significant coverage". You should first find the independent reliable sources and then write the draft by summarizing the sources. GoingBatty (talk) 16:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Monurawal17, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please look at WP:CSMN. Only the last two of those sources are independent of GBPIT, and those two only have a few lines about it. Wikipedia basically is not interested in anything said or published about themselves by the subject of an article, or by people or organisations closely associated with them: it is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish, unprompted by direct information from the subject. As I say, only the last two are independent in that way, but between them they give only two or three pieces of information about the institute: not enough to base an article on. Unless you can find several sources with the characteristics required, you will be wasting any further time you put into this draft, as it will never be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

thanks ColinFine, i understood ,as you explained very clearly . the only query i had i took examples of already approved wiki posts , i though i have more sources than those

GBPIT and pusa institute of technology delhi both are govt college under same board G B Pant engineering college also same conditions as GBPIT and G B Pant both are in same campus pls suggest a way how should i proceed to get it post with approval

References

@Monurawal17: "We need significant coverage" means that your goal should be to find reliable sources that are independent of the subject that discuss the institute in detail. I also suggest you read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Monurawal17 (talk) 04:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Thanks I got the pointgoingbatty, sorry for comparison Actually I am looking forward to see my post on wiki its like proud to be part of wiki posts ealirer I was not aware anyone can post for someone else I.shared other resource can you help me will it be helpful or not [[2]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monurawal17 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Page Review

Hi Can someone review my article as I am waiting for it to be published.....the page name is Kevin McAteer Redfield86 (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Kevin McAteer was resubmitted after edits, which came after the initial Declined. It is in the pile (not a queue) of drafts awaiting review. Teahouse volunteers answer questions about how to edit Wikipedia, but are not here because they are Reviewers. While waiting, there are many factual statements in the draft that are tagged "Citation needed." Finding refs or else removing the unreferenced content will improve the odds of the draft being approved. David notMD (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Writing "The issue was national news as well as making headlines in America", without any citation, is odd. If it really made news in some nation (Ireland? UK?) and America, you ought to be able to find a source. Maproom (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Uploading an Image that the owner has given me permission to upload

I am looking to upload an image to David A. Lucht's page, which he has given to me over email, with permission to be uploaded to Wikipedia. How do I go about doing this? Rvrx (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rvrx: Try Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 16:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I'm getting confused by the 'License > Evidence' section. Something about a license agreement/OTRS. Its not like this is a formally copyrighted photo, its just a picture he has taken. is the "I haven't got the evidence right now, but I will provide some if requested to do so." option actually valid, or do I have to like, forward to Wikipedia his email where he gave me permission to upload stuff and get an OTRS or whatever that means? There is no useful link on the upload wizard page... Rvrx (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rvrx: I agree it would be helpful if the page explained what OTRS is, or had a link to WP:OTRS. You could suggest that at Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rvrx. Before you upload it, please have a look at Wikipedia:image use policy. "Permission to use a picture in Wikipedia" is not enough: it is part of the fundamental purpose of Wikipedia to provide information which is free for anybody to use, so images must be licensed in such a way that anybody may reuse them or alter them, for any purpose, as long as they provide proper attribution. For you to upload that picture, the copyright holder (who may or may not be Lucht) must explicitly agree to license it under an acceptable license such as CC-BY-SA, either publicly (for example by a statement next to the image on a website they control) or in a mail to Wikipedia (see Donating copyright materials. I also need to ask, since he has given you the picture, what is your connection with him? Please have a look at conflict of interest and see if any of it applies. I've just seen your paragraph above. Nowadays, "copyrighting" is not something anybody has to do: it is automatic. If he took the picture, he holds the copyright. If somebody did, they probably hold the copyright, unless there was an agreement specifying otherwise. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Rvrx, When you say this is not a "formally copyrighted photo", I assume you mean that no one has taken the step of registering with the copyright office. However, that step is not necessary, and simply snapping the shutter creates a copyright. (I'm speaking a little casually, because the copyright doesn't actually exist until the photo is published, but my point is that a formal registration step is not necessary.) If the copyright holder, the person that snapped the picture, uses the upload wizard they can state that they are the copyright holder and release it. If someone else, i.e. you, want to upload the photo, then you are going to need to get written evidence of the license. More information can be found at: Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. sorry it's complicated but that's the nature of copyright law. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick and Rvrx: the moment a work is "recorded in a tangible form" it is protected by copyright under US law, even if it is never published. The US courts have held that a computer file counts for this, as does a piece of photographic film. (laws elsewhere are similar, I understand.) So in fact, simply snapping the shutter does in fact create a fully legal copyright, and neither publication not registration are required. There really is no such thing as "formal copyright" since the 1976 copyright act came into effect. Oh registration does grant significant added protections and remedies to the copyright holder. So Sphilbrick is totally correct on the requireed steps, written evidence of a compatible license from the copyright holder, who will be the person who took the picture unless that person later sold or gave the copyright to someone else, or was acting under a contract when the picture was taken which granted the copyright on creation to another owner (as many commercial photographers do). DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, Thanks for the clarification. I know there have been some issues about exactly when something is published and I wanted to avoid confusion. I confess to being a bit puzzled, because I thought there were cases where a photograph in someone's personal possession did not count as publishing, but that's a detail beyond the scope of this discussion. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Sphilbrick You are correct that when something is "published" for purposes of copyright law can be tricky in edge cases. It matters because the copyright terms in some cases are different for published and unpublished works. That whole tangle is too much for this thread, but I will link to this well-known chart. But lack of publication does not, in general, mean lack of copyright since the 1976 act. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, Yes, thanks, I have a link to the page and the Hirtle Chart on my user page, but I probably need to look at them more often :) S Philbrick(Talk) 18:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: So if I am the uploader, what form of license 'evidence' do I need? The upload wizard has an "The license agreement has been forwarded to Wikimedia's copyright service at 'permissions-en[at]wikimedia.org'" option. Would I just need to request that the copyright-holder send an email and a copy of the photographs and say, that he authorizes the pictures to be uploaded [by me, rvrx] to Wikipedia under CC Attribution? I'm assuming there is an article about this, but I cannot find it (why its not linked in the image upload wizard?)? Thanks, Rvrx (talk) 16:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rvrx: The process is documented at WP:DONATEIMAGE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Rvrx, it is also documented at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, which has already been linked twice before in this discussion. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rvrx. Please take a look at c:Commons:OTRS since Commons is most likely where you should be uploading these files if everything is as you're claiming. Freely licensed files are best uploaded to Commons because it host files for all Wikimedia Projects (not just English Wikipedia) which makes the files much easier to use. Please also take a look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Email templates/Consent for reference as well. Finally, please make sure of c:Commons:License revocation. Finally, the only "free" licenses that either Commons or Wikipedia accept are ones where the copyright holder is basically agreeing to allow anyone anywhere in the world to download the file at anytime and use for any purpose (including commercial and derivative use); moreover, once the copyright releases a file under such a license, there's no going back and no real way for the Wikimedia Foundation to stop others from reusing the file. Any disputes over of violations of the terms of the license are pretty much going to have to be resolved between the copyright holder and the other involved party. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles about small languages with pages only available in one language

Greetings. I'm very interested in Paleo-Siberian languages, and long story short, stumbled upon two languages who have articles about them in Russian, but not English. Quite frankly, the English-Speaking world doesn't seem to even know they exist. I would like to create an English translation, but I am unsure whether or not they qualify as being 'notable' enough. On one hand, they do have a small article written about them in Russian, on the other side, there are hardly - if any - English sources for them. Even the Russian page cites only two (out of the required three) sources. Would a new article for them in English be acceptable? Link to said pages: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA

 Q Maxi p (talk) 17:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Q Maxi p: I'm not a formal host, but generally most sources refer to both of those as dialects as Alyutor, no? A quick search through my literature on Chukotko-Kamchatkan languages has statements like Alutor: also called Alyutor, Aliutor, Olyutor. [...] Dialects are Alutorskij (Alutor Proper), Karaginskij (Karaga), Palanskij (Palana), references to the Karagin dialect of Alutor on the east coast). or Palan Alutor, or statements like Alyutor is the language of the coasts of the neck area of the Kamchatka Peninsula, including Karagin Island, probably with significant dialect differentiation Even the Russian Wikipedia says Принадлежит к t-диалектам, определяется как диалект алюторского или как самостоятельный язык. Чукотско-камчатские языки also mentions также редко упоминаются в качестве самостоятельных. My personal suggestion would be therefore to expand the article on Alyutor language to have a section on its dialects and there you can mention that some linguists view these as separate languages; since so few sources seem to be on these dialects/languages, they might not be notable for their own pages yet. You also might want to ask WP:Linguistics for additional opinions. Just my two cents, hopefully a formal host can weigh in. :) Umimmak (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

User talk:PamD

User talk:PamD has some sort of CSS or template that acts as an overlay,
and impedes usage of User talk:PamD overall, and this footer is redundant.
An experienced wikipedia stack wizard needs to advise User:PamD.
—§——0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx: Looks like you are already discussing the issue there. I don't see any problems, myself. RudolfRed (talk) 19:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: the green footer blocks content, I am asking for a third party to review the user style overlay
—§——0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

"It doesn't seem to me to hade any content, at lest not when i view it in Firefox on a desktop. What content do you think it is hiding, and how is it impeding usage? I don't have a problem with it. User:DESiegel"

see: File:PamD_OVERLAY_2020-07-18_14-46-47.png

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx what browser was used to create that screen shot? was it the mobile or desktop version o9f WP? any other useful details? because I don't see anything like that screenshot at any width. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: It looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PamD&oldid=968357182 on the desktop version (since there's a link to the "Mobile Version"). It would be interesting to know if the user is logged in, as well as the browser, screen resolution, zoom, etc. GoingBatty (talk) 23:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I replied in more detail there, but I see the effect on iPad (desktop site, Timeless skin, logged in) in portrait but not landscape mode. [Addendum: mobile/Minerva also.] Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (21:54 Sun 19, AEST) 11:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops, forgot echo @0mtwb9gd5wx, @DESiegel, @GoingBatty.

Font and line spacing in the screenshot looks like Vector maybe. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:00 Sun 19, AEST) 12:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed for deletion

Hello, someone proposed that these two articles be deleted Nadeshiko League Division 1 and Nadeshiko League Division 2 without explaining why on their talk pages, please where is the nice platform to report this issue? Josedimaria237 (talk) 20:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 20:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

You created both articles yesterday. Seany91 gave as reason for the PRODs "This is an unnecessary duplication of, and should be merged into, Nadeshiko League." You reverted both PRODs, which is allowed, although you did not state why in an Edit summary. (You also deleted an editor's tagging of one of the articles as citations needed.) There is no need for Seany91 to provide a reason on own Talk page, and no place to report the issue, because there is no issue - doing a PROD is allowed, as is reverting it. This will only become an issue if Seany91 acts to tag the articles with PROD again. David notMD (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: it has become an issue, he tagged the articles without providing a reason on its talk page or mentioning the page creator. Josedimaria237 (talk) 07:59, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

[Request re adding image to page]

Hi, I've tried to put the photo on the page, but it appeared as an icon and was suddenly deleted. Could somebody help me with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deidonata (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

It appears this question got duplicated somehow. See replies in the section further down the page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing articles on France

Regarding Rennes_(disambiguation), I made some changes and additions and then found and read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/France_and_French-related_articles. My question: when describing a place (commune) in France, should I use the name of the region where it is located or the name of the department or both? CMtemCA (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@CMtemCA: You could ask at the MOS talk page: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/France and French-related articles. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Delete Palestine

Delete all Palestine Info. There is NO SUCH PLACE. It is fake info about a place of make believe. There are NO such maps of Palestine. PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST. Google has erased it. STOP feeding false information. NO Person has the right to invent a name of a property & claim it as their own as an authentic entit. Stop perpetuating the lie. There is NO such place on this Earth.Your page is FAKE. Close it down. 70.53.63.147 (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources seem to disagree. GoingBatty (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

The conflict in the Middle East will not be solved here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia simply summarizes what independent reliable sources state. You are free to view things as you wish. 331dot (talk) 23:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Re-Francis E. Waive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francis_E._Waive

Am new to this, thanks for the assistance so far, I've modified the article based on your advice. Francis E. Waive is my dad, I handle things like this for him. Here's his Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/franciswaive His personal Facebook Account - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1534405987 His official website - http://franciswaive.com

My personal Facebook account - https://www.facebook.com/frankwaive My personal Website - http://frankwaive.com

We're two different individuals, kindly review the edits and advice. Frankwaive (talk) 23:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Frankwaive: Reading Help:Footnotes will help you with your future work on Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 00:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Help adding image

Hi, I've tried to put the photo on the page, but it appeared as an icon and was suddenly deleted. Could somebody help me with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deidonata (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC) Restoring question asked in the wrong place and then deleted by an IP editor. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Deidonata, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have edited several articles and drafts, and I can't tell which one you are asking about. Please link to the page where you tried to insert an image. Please also tell us what image you were trying to add. Is it already on Wikipedia or even better on commons? If not, where is it? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Xiaozhaoren

Numbering of Additional Footnotes in an Existing Article

I added a section (on Canada) to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_planner and my additional text included 9 footnotes. However, there were existing footnotes before and after, so my first question is how these should be numbered. Should I adjust footnote numbers throughout the entire article?

If so, this creates an issue because there is a "References" legend of all the footnotes at the bottom of the article, so I would have to edit that as well. Furthermore, some footnotes say "Retrieved [date]" and I don't know what that means or how it is different from the other Reference links shown at the bottom of the page.

Any help would be appreciated. Tom Tom Bene (talk) 00:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tom Bene: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for adding references. Wikipedia software automatically numbers the references, so you don't need to change anything in that regard. RudolfRed (talk) 01:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC) Thanks, Rudolf - they only number automatically if you create them properly (which I didn't!) They're working perfectly now since I used the Cite option in the top editing menu bar. Tom Bene (talk) 03:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tom Bene: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please read Help:Footnotes for the correct way to format the references. GoingBatty (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tom Bene. You are using unconventional techniques to format the references. Standard formatting uses reference tags at the beginning and the end of the reference content. The wiki software automatically assigns numbers to references, and human editors have no role in assigning or editing reference numbers. Please read Referencing for beginners for the details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

How do you change the picture that comes up when you hover over a link to an artical?

How do you change the picture that comes up when you hover over a link to an artical? I wanted to add the logo for news station KUSA when you hover over a link to thier artical, and replace the picture on Arapahoe County's wikipedia page. JackForWiki06 (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

It’s either the first image or the one in the infobox (usually the same thing, hence I'm not sure of the exact logic) of the target article's page that's used. KUSA (TV) does have a logo on the page, so if you’re not seeing the image I’m not sure what’s going on. (I’m on a tablet, so can’t check right now.) Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:39 Sun 19, AEST) 12:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Note that no image shows in the search drop-down either (nor in the VE link picker). Could it be something to do with the KUSA logo being an SVG file?

For the county, you would edit the line ex image = Little Dry Creek.JPG, but be sure your change is consistent with accepted practice for that class of article.

– Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:54 Sun 19, AEST) 12:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops, pinging @JackForWiki06. – Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:55 Sun 19, AEST) 12:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, it's a little more complicated than what I thought. For Wikipedias, the PageImages extension looks at the first four images in the lead section, according to mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice.

I found some bug reports about PageImages and SVGs, but they seem to have been resolved as fixed long ago. The only other thing I can think of is that the logo is quite wide in relation to its height, and that might exclude it.

If we move the square-ish logo from History section to the lead (alongside the infobox), it would make the article look bad. If we swap their positions, we’d be leading with the lower quality image just to suit PageImages.

@Whatamidoing (WMF) is this within your purview?

— Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (00:13 Mon 20, AEST) 14:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Spelling - UK vs US

My understanding is, when it comes to UK vs US spelling, the rule is: Use British spellings for British subjects, use American spelling for American subjects, use the spelling that the original author started with if it's neither American nor British. I could be wrong about the rule, which may have been updated since 2015, which is the date I found on this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm not an experienced user and don't know how to properly search for these things.) I'm looking at the entry for 'curtsy'. It looks to me like the original was done in UK spelling (curtsey) and but in 2018, a user went in and changed the whole thing to US spelling (curtsy). I believe the user used NGRAMs to justify the change, but if the rule I mentioned above is correct, this shouldn't have been done. Curtsey is still the dominant spelling outside the US, plus in Wicktionary, curtsy is listed as an alternative spelling and directs to curtsey for its meaning. I believe the article should be changed back, but I don't want to be rude, step on anyone's toes, or start some kind of war by doing it, especially if the rule has been updated. Can someone please give me guidance? Jules Lolonois (talk) 03:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jules Lolonois: Welcome to Wikipedia. The rules you stated are generally correct I think, but if an article has been using certain spelling for awhile, don't just go change it all. Raise the issue on the article's talk page to get consensus from other editors. Also, since the article Curtsey has been redirected to Curtsy, it is likely that there is consensus to use the Curtsy spelling. RudolfRed (talk) 04:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, see WP:ENGVAR. RudolfRed (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks for the response! Also the helpful link, which I've bookmarked. I can't find any discussion, consensus, or any real explanation as to why the change was desirable. It was flagged as a minor edit, but swapping out spelling conventions is not a minor edit, it's changing the language! The page is 15 years old, and less that two years of that was with US spelling. There was no compelling reason to swap it out, and the change contravenes Wikipedia rules. I'll flag it on the talk page for feedback as to why it shouldn't be changed back.

Reviewer Denied My Article, But....

Regarding Draft: Mark Gillespie article, a reviewer denied my original submission on July 4th because he was under the impression the article was written about a music producer. The article and its sources were about a music manager. The reviewer also changed the title to "Mark Gillespie (Music Producer)". Although the reviewer admitted on July 18th to the error in classifying my article as a Music Producer User_talk:Robert_McClenon#Management_Move, the article remains under the erroneous label. This surely will help in getting the draft denied again after resubmission.

I want to learn to be a better editor and contributor, but I need help understanding the methods and steps that have led to the reviewer using "music producer" since that classification is never mentioned once in the data or cited publications I provided.

How are reviewers allowed to do this? How do I remove his label "music producer" from my draft? Bouncecouncil (talk) 04:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

You simply retitle ("move") the draft. I've done this for you. Welcome to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music manager). You'll have to work on it, though. I rarely review drafts, and I'm not going to review this one -- but if I did review it and got as far as "Birmingham’s legendary superclub Godskitchen" I'd dismiss it as mere promotionalism. (Was it super? Which legends are there about it? Let the readers click the link and see for themselves.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

En.wikipedia.articles

Who are the en.Wikipedia articles targeted to?

Are the articles left for chance discovery by the internet browser users or selectively brought before a selected audience at prefixed times, like e.g. before breakfast, by pre-selected editors, or by "random" pick by an electronic script? 117.230.165.59 (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Dr.K.Muraleedharan117.230.165.59 (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

...No, that's not how any of that works. The articles are just there. Anyone can read them at any time. Almost anyone can edit most of them at any time as well. There's no scheduling. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Muraleedharan, the Main Page content is hand-picked by volunteers, but being an Encyclopedia, most people search for specific information, or go to specific articles directly from the major web search engines. (Though you can start from the main page, or a random article, and just browse.)

There is no audience-specific targeting (okay, apart from some banners called geonotices), advertising, or on-sell of readers' interest profiles. That's ... not how this works. As Ian said, articles are all there, all the time, for everyone, for free.

– Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:20 Sun 19, AEST) 12:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reader, Wikipedia:Readers first and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is for readers may have something of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Search word

How could I set to find article Otto S. Wolfbeis in "Search Wikipedia" with word "Wolfbeis" instead of "Otto S. Wolfbeis". This is the case with german version and I find it more convenient and easier to find this exact person by his last name. Thank you! Krisi31 (talk) 07:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I've created Wolfbeis as a redirect. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Can I get help editing an article about Trumps first "tele-rally"? And is one I made about his second such "rally", noteable enough for an article?

Today I created articles for Trumps Wisconsin Tele-Rally on July 17, 2020 and his tele-rally held the following day on July 18, 2020 in Michigan. Those articles are Donald Trump's Wisconsin Tele-Rally and Donald Trump's Michigan Tele-Rally.

The first article about his Wisconsin Tele-Rally is definitely noteable enough for an article as it was Trumps first non in person rally ever, which is extra noteable as his past two in person campaign rallies, as well as two US Independe Day events he held during the ongoing COVID-19 Pandemic, have been stated by many experts as not being a good idea since they did not require masks or social distancing. Can I get some help editing this article?

The other article on his Michigan Rally isn't all that noteable, it is only important for being Trumps second tele-rally, showing that the tele-rally format was not a one time thing, and that Trump didn't plan to immediately return to in person rallies the next time one was held, following his first tele-rally.

Is this tele-rally in Michigan noteable enough for an article? If it is, can I get some help editing it? If you feel it is not, then can you please mark it as a candidate for deletion? Once you do so, other Wikipedia users can help decide if it should be kept or not.

Thanks in advance to anyone who answers my questions and helps edit these articles. Greshthegreat (talk) 07:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: After reading WP:EVENTCRITERIA, I don't think individual rallies or campaign events (by any candidate) merit their own article. The information can be included in Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign instead. GoingBatty (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: Created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Wisconsin Tele-Rally for both articles. GoingBatty (talk) 17:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: After thinking about it some more, I also created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Trump Tulsa rally and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Phoenix rally (June 2020) for the same reason. GoingBatty (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

transliteration of Hebrew words with 'ayin

When I search for the tractate Me'ila of the Mishnah, I am not sent to the page about the tractate even if I type in the spelling exactly with an apostrophe in the transliteration. If I search for the tractate by typing in the word "Meila" I am sent to articles about Milaq, Azerbaijan. How can I direct readers to tractate Meila when they type in the word that way? Me'ilah (Template:Lang-he-n; "misuse of property") is a tractate of Seder Kodashim in the Mishnah, Tosefta, and Babylonian Talmud. It deals chiefly with the exact provisions of the law (Lev. 5:15-16) concerning the trespass-offering and the reparation which must be made by one who has used and enjoyed a consecrated thing. Akiva100 (talk) 08:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Akiva100, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article is called Me'ilah. I have created Me'ila as a redirect to it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much ColinFine. Did you (or can you) also put in a redirect so that if someone were to type "Meila" without the apostrophe, he or she would also be sent to that article? Or please let me know how to do that? Thank you! Akiva100 (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I added Meila to the redirect page. Thank you. Akiva100 (talk) 09:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Akiva100, that doesn't work, and I've removed it. (Only if somebody types "Me'ila" will they get to that redirect page, not if they type "Meila" or anything else). What I have done is to put a hatnote at Milaq, East Azerbaijan, so that if somebody gets there by typing "Meila" but really wanted "Me'ilah", it gives them a link to it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

And see WP:Redirect and WP:hatnote for more information on what I did. --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFineAkiva100 (talk) 12:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Creating someone's personal profile

 St Maur de Normandy (talk) 09:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

St Maur de Normandy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would correct your language somewhat in that there is not a single "profile" on Wikipedia; Wikipedia has articles. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, it takes much time, effort, and practice. Before doing so, it is best to gain experience and knowledge of using Wikipedia by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, in order to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial. If you attempt to create a new article without doing these things, your chances of success are low and you could come away with bad feelings about your experiences here, which I do not want to happen. A Wikipedia article should only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Not every person merits an article, even within the same field.

However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, you should read Your First Article, and then use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia, so you find out any problems first. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi St Maur de Normandy. Wikipedia is not really a type of social media site where you can find personal profiles. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia which contains articles about subjects considered to be Wikipedia notable. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Notability (people) for a more information on creating articles about people. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Delete or Recreate

What should I do to these pages?

• Nadeshiko League Division 1
• Nadeshiko League Division 2

Should I delete or recreate them? Josedimaria237 (talk) 10:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Josedimaria237. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. You removed the AFD notice from both articles, and I have restored them: you were within your rights to remove the previous PROD notices, but the AFD notices say "this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed". In the case of Nadeshiko League Division 1, you have yourself added a redirection to Nadeshiko League, and a {{db-g7}} tag: again, I have removed these.

If you are now giving up the idea of having these as separate articles, then I suggest that you contribute to the AFD discussions eg WP:Articles for deletion/Nadeshiko League Division 2 with a "speedy delete" - say that you are the creator, and you no longer want the articles kept, and somebody will come along and close the discussions and delete the articles.

(Failed to sign the above, and repinging Josedimaria237) --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I build a consensus and official guideline on controversial contents?

I was going to ask about this in the Editor Assistance but since I received an invitation to the Teahouse, I might as well just ask here. I have been using Wikipedia for more than a decade and my only contributions as an IP user were either relatively minor or questions for the Reference Desk. I am finally willing to devote some efforts and time to improving English Wikipedia for topics I am heavily invested in personally and I created an account in order to gain credibility for doing so as some users apparently look down on IP editing. My first and most important goal as a user is to turn a decade-old specific but unwritten consensus within a specific WikiProject into a community-wide one, meaning that it would become the standard for all the relevant articles.

The WikiProject in question is the Royalty and Nobility working group of the WikiProject Biography and the unwritten consensus is that for the manual of style and the naming conventions of articles of pretenders and non-reigning/deposed royalty and nobility is that for the sake of WP:NPOV, we will not arbitrate the legitimacy of princes or the laws concerning them and instead assign and determine the validity of titles according to reliable primary and/or secondary sources (usually consist of foreign government's recognition, news media, and English-language sources relating to royalty/nobility). After all, the existence of all social constructs including the status of royalty are based on recognition and acceptance. If you are wondering what I am talking about, the article Jean, Count of Paris includes many of the characteristics that result from this consensus. If you want more examples, feel free to click on any one of the templates in the Category:Europe royal family templates and be sure to check out the articles on Template:Former monarchic orders of succession.

Of course this consensus is not written anywhere and despite the fact that people bring this up once in a while in talk pages, it has still not been added as an official guideline. This means that not a lot of users outside of the WikiProject are aware of this consensus and this has led to controversies and disputes when one of them discovered it. One case I still remember happened six years ago when User:Smeat75 got into a huge fight with multiple members of the WikiProject that lasted from 20 November to 4 December 2013 If I recall correctly at multiple locations in addition to numerous talk pages of the articles of German royals. After realizing how large the opposition to his effort was, he then went on a rather massive canvassing campaign at various busy noticeboards and many other users' talk pages. When this also failed, he whined to Jimbo about it and that went as well as you would have expected. By the time he admitted defeat after wasting so much time and effort, the only thing he managed to accomplish was getting List of royal houses deleted.

Up until recent months, the only major large-scale pushbacks against royal titles in articles of pretenders were in the articles of some Indian royals such as this one due to the fact that members of the Royalty and Nobility working group tend not to go there. Note the long reference at the bottom of the page which is also present in several other articles. However, there has been a new major wave of pushback against this in recent months when the prolific user SMcCandlish found out about this in March 2020 and his reaction to how deep it goes is absolutely priceless. This led to this issue getting brought up in other places and then List of current pretenders got renamed while three "peerage" websites got deprecated as sources.

However, these discussions are far from over and I would like to create a Wiki-wide guidelines regarding this so that someone does not visit these articles and get confused like the users I mentioned above. How should I go about accomplishing this?

Also, someone told me that Wikipedia is not in the business of debunking misconceptions. We report an aggregate of what experts in whatever field report. Even when the received wisdom in some field is obviously one huge misconception, we faithfully report it – but if there are enough counter voices, we report these as well. Is there a consensus on Wikipedia that this is the purpose of the project? I am asking because some people on here think that Wikipedia should not perpetuate what they call "inaccurate delusions".

StellarHalo (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC) 

Hello, StellarHalo and welcome to the Teahouse. Getting a site-wide consensus established and and a guideline created and recognized as such normally requires a well-advertised RFC. Often a proposal is written up, which will be the text of the guideline if it is approved. it is well to have several editors of different views involved in that. Or sometimes an RfC is started wi8th only a general concept, and if and only if that gets consensus, a detailed proposal is written up, and a 2nd RfC approves (or does not approve) the specific language. The 2nd way takes more time, but it avoids an RfC failing because of arguments over the detailed wording. Remember that an RfC is a question, and the basic header should be relatively brief and neutral, that is, it should not advocate for a particular answer. An RfC often takes place on the talk page of an existing policy or guideline page that will be altered if it gains consensus. Or it may take place at WP:VPP, or on a new proposal page or its talk page. There is much work, and getting multiple editors involved is usually a good idea. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, StellarHalo. The place to discuss - and try to change - Wikipedia policy is the Village Pump. --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Coding question re table

On table List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests#Buildings, why are there two stray cells at the end? Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed @Deisenbe: Thanks for informing Bingobro (Chat) 13:11, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Image forum

Hi, I'm a relatively inexperienced editor. I have trouble trying to understand the complex image guidelines and was wondering if there was a forum somewhere specifically devoted to images/uploading. Thanks. WesSirius (talk) 13:45, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

WesSirius, Welcome to Teahouse. For Wikipedia visit Wikipedia:Files for upload and for Commons (Wikimedia Commons is the online repository of free-use images, sounds, other media) visit Commons upload Wizard, a step-by-step guide for image and other media uploading. ~ Amkgp 💬 14:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article

I have recently had an article declined, namely Draft: Direction Finding by Amplitude Comparison. I intend to amend the article and resubmit it. How long do I have before it is taken down from Draft Space? D1ofBerks (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, D1ofBerks and welcome to the Teahouse. As long as you continue to work on it, the draft will not be deleted by any automatic process, and there is no specific deadline. If a draft goes unedited for 6 months, it can be deleted under G13. However, Any editor can propose that a draft be deleted via WP:MFD. If that is done a discussion takes place to see if there is a consensus to delete. Most drafts are not so nominated.

Have you considered editing the existing article Direction finding as the reviewer suggested? Is Direction Finding by Amplitude Comparison such a different or specialized sub topic that a separate article is needed? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

See #Resubmitting an article(2), below. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

so i want to create an article about my hometown school and wikipedia deleted it. I added the basic info but it was not far from done. I could add images or videos. What can i do?

 Jeif4 (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Jeif4, and welcome to the teahouse! I looks as if your article was not deleted but was instead moved to draftspace. This is a place where you can work on the article without it being an actual article yet. It was mot likely moved there because of a lack of references. Please feel free to continue working on your draft Draft:Emil Friedman School. Ghinga7 (talk) 16:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Jeif4, and welcome to the Teahouse. As the message on your user talk page says, your draft hasn't been deleted, it's been moved to Draft:Emil Friedman School, so that you can work on it without risk of it being quickly deleted for lack of sources.

Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person in the Internet) knows, or what the subject (your school) says about itself. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the school have chosen to publish about it. Please also be aware that creating a new article is one of the most difficult tasks there is for a Wikipedia editor. If you haven't read your first article, please do so; and also NSCHOOL. --ColinFine (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Not sure where to post

Hello - a seasoned editor and I were talking about a specific article and they stated That's because some people apparently decided that it's okay to transclude parts of articles into other articles rather than just rewriting it. While this barely makes sense in cases where things are updated regularly, I think it overall causes an issue for editors, but I think that'd need to be taken to an RFC to be ended. Specifically it's transcluded at Electoral results for the district of Goulburn with the template: {{Excerpt}}

An editor reverted my edit back to

{{Election box begin no party no change AU |
|title = <includeonly>[[1861 Goulburn colonial by-election|</includeonly>1861 Goulburn by-election<includeonly>]]</includeonly>{{hsp}}<ref name="Green Goulburn 1861 by-election">

My question is where would I open the RFC as this is causing errors with the articles being linked to themselves. Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 16:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article(2)

See #Resubmitting an article, above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi DES, Thank you for replying to my query. Regarding your query regarding whether a separate article was needed on the topic, I personally think yes (but then I would think that, wouldn't I!). My reasoning is as follows (i) There is an existing article on Direction Finding on Wikipedia but it does not, at present, cover the same DF concepts so I could, in principle, add to that article. (At present my article gives a link to it). (ii) However, much of that article discusses the historical background to the development of DF systems and their use , whereas my article is concerned with covering the basic mathematical concepts of one method in some detail. (iii) Because it was my aim to cover the basics thoroughly, my article is quite long. (iv) If I add a shortened version of my article, to the existing one, while tailoring it to better match the style of that article, useful information (i.e. what I consider as useful information), not appearing elsewhere on Wikipedia, would be lost. So far, I haven't thought too much about improving my article, but perhaps a more informative opening description, together with a better outline of the concepts that are used in the article would help. What do you think? D1ofBerks (talk) 16:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping for @DESiegel: GoingBatty (talk) 17:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, D1ofBerks. I think that if your draft is to become an article, a less technical overview is needed. I think that a short summery of it should be included in Direction Finding, at least. If this draft becomes an article, that could include a link to the more longer and detailed article.

I think the current draft (Draft: Direction Finding by Amplitude Comparison is perhaps a bit long for the topic. self-references such as Situations where the condition has not been satisfied [11] are not considered here. should probably be3 omitted or rephrased, such writing is common in texts and scholarly articles, but not on Wikipedia, in my experience. Text such as The sources of bearing error include mechanical/structural/installation errors, non-ideal component characteristics and overall system deficiencies, such as gain differences, channel to channel and response ripple should be rewritten for increased clarity and simpler language if possible, particularly for the less technical reader.

Finally, when responding to a recent comment here at the Teahouse, it is usually better to add to the previous thread, rather than starting a new thread (section). DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi DES, Thank you D1ofBerks (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Using attributive phrases like “According to” in Wikipedia entries

Is it encouraged to attribute facts to relevant authorities when writing Wikipedia articles about contentious or little-understood subjects? For instance is it acceptable to say "the polar radius of the moon is 1738.1 km according to the results of a measurement project conducted by NASA scientists in 2015." Or is it better to state the information as an unattributed sentence and just footnote it? Thanks! KeepForgettingMyUserName (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello KeepForgettingMyUserName and welcome to the Teahouse. When the information is given as a direct quote, such in-text attribution is not merely encouraged but required. When a single source is being relied on, it is in my view good practice. However when the fact is widely known and could be supported from any one of many sources, then such an attributive statement is not needed and may be giving the source undue weight. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Quotations says Quotations must be verifiably attributed to a reliable source ... Attribution should be provided in the text of the article, not exclusively in a footnote or citation. Readers should not have to follow a footnote to find out the quotation's source. WP:MOSQUOTE says: The reader must be able to determine the source of any quotation, at the very least via a footnote. The source must be named in article text if the quotation is an opinion but I think that is too weak, and the Wikipedia:Quotations page has it right. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Procedure of nominating for deletion

How do we nominate an article for deletion through discussion?

I tried to nominate an article for deletion (specifically, this one), but someone objected, saying it needed discussion. Could the procedure be detailed? The guidelines don't seem too clear. Thanks in advance. HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

You tried WP:Deletion process#Proposed deletion, so the next step would be WP:Deletion process#Deletion discussions. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, HalfdanRagnarsson and welcome to the Teahouse.

First of all, I agree with GB fan that Michel Roger Lafosse isn't a good case for the use of WP:PROD and if this article is to be deleted, a full discussion should be held.

There is a full description of the needed steps to nominate an article for deletion at WP:AFD. If you install the Twinkle gadget, its "XfD" option automates many of the steps.

Please follow the procedure at WP:BEFORE and consider the alternatives at WP:ATD, and mention that you have done so in your nomination statement.

Your nomination statement should give clear, policy-based reasons why the article should be deleted, in your opinion. Be aware of the arguments to avoid.

I hope, this helps. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I get a Trump sign for my front yard to show my support for are President???

 65.61.69.18 (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

This is the help desk for Wikipedia related questions. Your question is not something we can help with. Perhaps if you call the White House, they can point you in the right direction. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ as well. GoingBatty (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

save a page as a draft

I am creating a wiki page and I would like to save it as a draft; For the purpose to show it to my client for their comments and approval. I have not published this page yea it is still in rough form.

Thanks ahead of time for and help to accomplish this task. Randall N. Brock (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)