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Cornish wrestling

Could someone take a look at that article? It's about a relatively little-known sport, and yet its main contributor, User:Mab an Garrek, has inflated it to elephantine proportions. 89.64.68.189 (talk) 22:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve the article, start a discussion at Talk:Cornish_wrestling RudolfRed (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

It's strange indeed. Consider this sample from near the start:

The referee is known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, p21-40.</ref> and it is claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, p663-664.</ref>

This might better be revised as:

In the 18th century, the referee was known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, pp21-40.</ref> and a compendium published a century ago claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, pp663-664.</ref>

Far better would be to depend on, and where helpful to cite, the Oxford English Dictionary (oed.com). -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

My view is that the article should really lose the "Notable Cornish Wrestlers" section, which would trim it to a sensible size for Wikipedia. My argument is that none of these wrestlers are "notable" in Wikipedia's sense (not blue-linked), it's just a complete list of every name that whoever wrote it has found reported in the sporting section of any historical newspaper. It's basically Original Research. (Small-print: I suggested a while ago that Wikipedia should have a spare name-space for supported-but-not-encyclopaedic information; this would have been the sort of stuff that could be put there for reference, but there was no consensus for any such drastic addition to the project) Elemimele (talk) 09:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Cornish wrestling is "a relatively little-known sport", but that was not always the case. It was one of the most popular sports in the English speaking world for centuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mab an Garrek (talk • contribs) 09:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes! And that's a very good reason for having an article about it. But the enormous list of people who were once wrestlers, scraped from very old newspapers, makes the sport look desperate, less than it is, and is not in keeping with how Wikipedia handles sports. I've put a longer version of this reply on the article's talk page. It's unbalancing what would otherwise be a good article about a notable topic. Longer does not always mean better, when it comes to WP articles! Elemimele (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Help accepting an admin-restricted draft over at AfC

I kindly request an administrator's assistance reducing the creation protection for the main space article for Draft:Elvish Yadav. I wish to accept it as per WP:BASIC and/or WP:THREE. However, it is creation protected for admins only at this time, because of spammy frequent creations. Please advise, kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC).

Hi! You're looking for WP:RFUP. NotAGenious (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Spinster300: I wouldn't accept it just yet. It contains numerous citations to The Times of India, which according to WP:RSP, is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. This seems highly likely for articles about pop-culture people.

Personally, I think our notability bar is set too low for biographies, especially YouTubers.

When it's ready, you can make a request at WP:RFPP to remove the create protection (or just ask me on my talk page). ~Anachronist (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I understand your point regarding the WP:NEWSORGINDIA. It's evident that Elvish Yadav's coverage is extensive across various media outlets. With the additional references and the widespread coverage, I hope that Draft:Elvish Yadav meets the notability criteria for the main space. 103.251.217.233 (talk) 14:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Anachronist and NotAGenious, thank you for referring me to the relevant WikiProjects. I am unfortunately aware of the state of several mews sources from India, and many others from several South and South East Asian countries being tenuous. I have usually stuck to helping out on Women in Red and focused mostly on American and European biographies, but I do wish to help reduce the tendency of our project to be too heavily focused on those geographic and cultural regions. And now I help out at AfC for just that. For my WP:Three, I was thinking of the articles about the subject and their participation on that reality show as covered by the Financial Express, the Indian Express, and India Today, among a few other sources that seemed generally engaged in faithful journalism. Over the coming few days, I might possibly look into reworking the article (with extra clean up for possible WP:COI and WP:UPE), and then I shall ping your talk page, Anachronist, for the RFPP request. Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC).

Trying to add an edit to the Parapsychology section in the Wiki, unable via system interference, unable to register (also)

I was going to insert the following: Before proceeding further, please watch the video: Magnetic man Georgian man breaks record for sticking spoons to his body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heVwE66iFkw&t=2s The so called macro "human magnetism" seemingly has nothing to do with "magnetism" as we know it. Individuals like the Georgian magnet man can voluntarily attract/hold/release solid inanimate objects of any composition using only their clean bare skin. Anything interposed between the skin and the object to be adhered (example: clothing) negates the effect just demonstrated. Note: the force exhibited seems to lie in the plane of the skin, perpendicular to the surface of the body. People such as these occur world wide. Indian Magnetic Man https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YTgGT6ieMRE Is this man magnetic? - Guinness World Records https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjHU3JDS2ig [And more.] The first phase of the investigation would rely on neuroimaging of the brain of such people as they exhibit a complete sequence of planning and executing a so called human macro magnetic episode. The tools could be the fMRI and the High Density EEG (with 256 recording channels). The neural locations activated would be recorded as this sequence unfolds. Phase two [invasive] would be performed on cadavers. Vital dyes/tracers (using micro injections) would be applied to the previously found nerve tracts/loci in the brain related to the macro human magnetic performance. Nerves so labeled would diffuse" downstream" toward the biological cellular assemblages that correlate with the macro "human magnetism". Phase three: Locate these relevant biological cellular assemblages on living "human magnets". Note: Currently there are four known Fundamental physical forces: gravity, electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces. Seemingly, "human macro magnetism" is distinct from any of the above named forces. Thus, the hypothesis that "parapsychological/paranormal" phenomena might be powered by human interaction with the physical world by an other energy spectrum is a viable. Anatomy and Physics might be informed. 47.153.208.174 (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I am unclear what text it is that you want to insert into the article on Parapsychology. But that huge 'wall of text' above certainly would definitely NOT be appropriate! It reads more as some theory or conclusion of your own, rather than citing a properly published, reliable source to make a clear and succinct point within an encyclopaedia article.

If you feel something should be added or corrected, you can go to the article's talk page and make an EDITREQUEST, but it still needs to cite a source and state explicitly what text needs to be replace, and with what.

If you're struggling to create an account, try closing your browser and reopening it (ensuring you don't have any VPN settings enabled). As you've successfully managed to edit this page, you should not be having problems anywhere else. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

47.153, the part where you put the human magnets into the MRI could use a rethink. Folly Mox (talk) 03:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Requesting to review Draft:Aranmanai 4

Resolved

Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to request a review of Draft:Aranmanai 4 by someone with admin rights. I believe the article meets the criteria outlined in wp:nff. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks I have admin rights, but that's not relevant at all here. You have already submitted your article to WP:AFC for review and feedback. We are all volunteers here and there is a huge backlog of articles to review. The notice on your draft states: Your review is waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,343 pending submissions waiting for review. Meanwhile, if there's anything else we can help you with, just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Could you delete article Aranmanai 4 so i can move the draft to article space myself, if it didn't violate anything?Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks: I also have admin rights, but I'm averse to putting an article about an unreleased film in mainspace. Why not wait until after it's no longer "upcoming"? ~Anachronist (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Anachronist The project is notable and sources are good, so i think there is no harm in putting it in article space. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I am also an administrator, Anoopspeaks. Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. Your draft does not verify that principal photography is underway, so in my opinion, it is too soon for an article about this sequel. Cullen328 (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for pointing out that, i will try to add information about filiming.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That is three Admins who advise against moving the draft to mainspace. If you do it before the film is released (Jan 2024) the it is likely that the person performing the New Pages Patrol will flip it back to draft. I recommend waiting until it is in cinema and there are reviews that can be references. I see that Aranmanai (film series) already has quite a bit of information about A4. That should be enough for now. David notMD (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks: Based on the info provided by David notMD above, I changed the Aranmanai 4 page so it redirects to Aranmanai (film series). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Block problems...

I have noticed that when in the English version of wikipedia, i can log in freely without any type of error, but, when i try to repeat this in the Spanish version, i get a message that i have been blocked. Why is this happening? Why is it only in the Spanish version? (for context, i have only edited about once or twice before having this account. I never vandalised another page when i was in anonymous mode. )

I am Nameclips. (just incase because its showing my IP for me.)

Best regards, Nameclips (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Update: This same effect happens on my phone.

Nameclips (talk) 00:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nameclips: You will need to ask at the Spanish Wikipedia why your account is blocked there. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you perhaps related to Slamforeman? -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No i am not related to him. Nameclips (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Nameclips, English Wikipedia editors have no power, influence or insight into what goes on at the Spanish Wikipedia. Each language version is run separately. Your user talk page on Spanish Wikipedia should have a notice explaining why you were blocked and how to appeal there. Cullen328 (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

More decisively, Nameclips, your contributions page there would show that you were blocked, if you were blocked there. It does not, so you aren't blocked there. Indeed, "La cuenta de usuario «Nameclips» no está registrada": you don't even exist there. -- Hoary (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Hoary It could still be (and probably is) a block on the underlying IP adress set to disable account creation. As far as I am aware, "account creation disabled" type blocks prevent all types of accounts creation, including automatic local account creation when you first log in (sometimes visiting does suffice) on a new project.

As far as what to do now, this probably requires the assistance of someone with the centralauth-createlocal user right on eswiki to use the associated special page (I don't remember it's title right now) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

From what ive seen, i have been banned for LTA (Long-Term abuse). I have never vandalised, stalked, or violated the Spanish Wikipedia rules. But, I have edited a small term (the small term being: clarifying that "XX" meant the 20th century.). Even if I violated the Wikipedia rules (Which i problably did not.), I wouldn't need to be blocked, just warned.

This is problably the same effect that happened to Slamforeman, where he got blocked for nine years from the Spanish Wikipedia because his IP was somewhat similar to another IP who had vandalised a wikipedia page.

Best regards, Nameclips (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

What Wikipedia positions could a Wikipedian be elected or appointed to?

Not including the Arbitration Committee, Wikimedia Board, and ArbCom Electoral Commissions. A.FLOCK (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, there’s the Guild of Copy Editors and the Typo Team, but those you volunteer to, not get elected. 98.97.113.192 (talk) 04:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Aside from Arbcom, Board, Electoral Commission, one is also "elected", after a fashion to the position of administrator and bureaucrat, which aren't really positions, but user rights that require community discussion and consensus before a candidate can receive them. With other rights (page patroller, page reviewer, page mover, account creator) you apply for it and your application is evaluated before the right is granted or not. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

there are also the co-ordinators for NPP, and wikiprojects like milhist. No matter what we say, RfA, CU, suppressor are sort of elections as well. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

taxonomy trouble

I have been editing some old world silverside articles when I noticed a newish genus (doboatherina) meant that there some species lists were outdated, but I feel that I've reached the limit of my expertise when it comes to creating a page for the genus. The big stumbling block is disagreement between sources about what species belong to the genus. The original paper lists 10, a search on Eschmeyer's catalogue of fishes shows 11 with a "current status" in the genus, and both WoRMS and Fishbase list 8. I lack the scientific background that would allow me to weigh the authority of these sources - is it possible for someone more experienced to step in here? Infointheair (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Infointheair Have you tried asking at WP:FISH? Or maybe WP:BIOL? -- asilvering (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No, I am very new to navigating the back end of wikipedia and had no idea such places existed! Thanks! Infointheair (talk) 18:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

asilvering's suggestion above sounds good to me. Meanwhile FWIW, notionally WoRMS takes its information unchanged from FishBase (possibly with some latency), while FishBase (so far as I am aware) follows Eschmeyer in 99.9% of cases - so the Eschmeyer information may simply be the most recent (or alternately, represent a view that FB chooses not to follow, but I am not aware of many cases of this). Personally I would have no hesitation in using Eschmeyer as the most current/accurate source, but that's just me... Tony 1212 (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are there any small tasks I can do?

I want to build up a good reputation before I dive head-first into this community. Puzzle Piece the Wikipedian (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

There are some lists of tasks at WP:COM. Do you have any interests in particular? It might be more fun to pick tasks related to something you're interested in. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I link my user page in a different language to my en-wiki user page?

Hi Teahouse,

I am active on other wikis besides en-wiki, and it will be helpful if my en-wiki user page is linked to them, i.e. at the top-right corner, it will show "2 languages" that allows me to go to my user page in different languages. I see that many other users do that (such as User:Jimbo Wales).

I tried looking for "Edit interlanguage links", but it doesn't show up on user pages.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 07:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: You can create your userpage on Meta – anything you put there will be shown in place of your userpage on all Wikimedia wikis where you haven't specifically created one. (If you don't want it to show up on Meta, you can place it between <onlyinclude><includeonly> and </includeonly></onlyinclude>) Tollens (talk) 07:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: I realize now that I may have misunderstood your question: I don't think you actually want this to be part of the page itself. You can add links of the format [[language code:Title]] to the bottom of your user page – you can find the language code of each Wikipedia at meta:List of Wikipedias (in the "Wiki" column of the table). Tollens (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tollens,

I am afraid that I didn't communicate the point clearly. If you go to the page User:Jimbo Wales, you will see on the top right corner "文A 10 languages", to the right of the title of the page. Whereas, if we go to your or my user page, we will see "文A Add languages". That's the part I'm talking about. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 08:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that would be the second solution I posted. It should make those links appear – you'll have to do that on each of your user pages. Tollens (talk) 08:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tollens, this is wonderful! -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Help Needed in Publishing Article

I am seeking assistance with publishing an article about Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, a prominent figure in the field of Ophthalmology. If there are any experienced Wikipedia editors who can guide me through the publishing process and help ensure that the article complies with Wikipedia's guidelines, I would greatly appreciate your assistance. I can provide the necessary information, and your expertise will be invaluable in making this information accessible to a wider audience. Thank you in advance for your support. Khannark (talk) 08:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I see that you have already declared your COI regarding this proposed article, and have made clear on your Talk page that PAID does not apply. You have also had you Sandbox Speedy deleted twice, so if those were efforts to craft a draft about Reddy, your approach was radically wrong. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. The essential question is whether you have access to three or more published articles about Reddy that will establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Your personal knowledge of his accomplishment would be considered 'original research' and thus not allowed. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, David. I understand the importance of not relying on original research for Wikipedia articles. Regarding the notability of Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, I do have access to multiple published articles and sources that establish his notability in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. My aim is to create a well-sourced and encyclopedic article that adheres to all Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

On a related note, I have noticed that some existing articles about other individuals, such as 'Dr. Reddy,' have issues with broken links and citations. I'm curious about how these articles were published and are currently live despite these issues. Is there a specific process for dealing with such cases, or would you recommend any actions I can take to help improve the quality of existing articles? Khannark (talk) 08:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Out of the millions of articles that are on Wikipedia, it is likely that many of them are inappropriate and simply not addressed yet by a volunteer. Volunteers do what they can when they can. See other stuff exists. If you would like to help us, you can work to identify other inappropriate articles you have seen so action can be taken. We need the help. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, the English Wikipedia currently has 6,732,829 articles, and experienced Wikipedia editors are well aware that a million or more are mediocre or worse. We work 24 hours a day worldwide to either improve or delete poor quality articles. Do not emulate bad articles. Instead, model your work on Good articles and Featured articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, Link rot is inevitably going to happen, regardless of how perfectly referenced an article is at some point in time – it is the nature of the Internet. Wikipedia does not (to my knowledge) have a formal Planned Maintenance regime to combat this, so depends (as with everything else) on the combined efforts of tens-to-hundreds of thousands of users to minimise its likelihood and correct it when noticed, per WP:Link rot. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your perspective on link rot and Wikipedia's approach to it. You're absolutely right that link rot is an ongoing challenge on the internet. It's good to know that Wikipedia relies on its community to address this issue. I appreciate the information and will keep it in mind when working on articles. Khannark (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Khannark: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you have a good draft, you could try asking for help from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Ophthalmology task force. At the bottom of that page is the code for the WikiProject that you could add to your draft's talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of undisclosed payments warning

I have a COI with an article which has been flagged with a message saying it has been edited in return for undisclosed payments and that it may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view.

I haven't and won't edit the page myself so what is the best way to have someone help on the page to clean it up and have the warning removed? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian The warning places the article in a category of articles that are so tagged, that volunteers look at when they have time to do so. At some point an independent editor will look at the article and evaluate it. There isn't really any way you can speed this up, please be patient. If you see things that can be changed, you are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree being patient is the best way. Might place a formal request if no news after a couple of weeks. Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

are wikipedia templates turing complete

title Natelabs (talk) 09:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: There is no way to make a loop or goto statement, and recursion is limited to a depth of 1, so no. Tollens (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of the recursion limit. Is there any way we can bypass this limit through template A transcluding template B and B transcluding A? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it – just found someone who tried at mw:User:Ypnypn/sandboxA. Tollens (talk) 10:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I assume that's by design. Tollens (talk) 10:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I think so. First of all, we have Lua modules that can be invoked by templates, but even if we were to not use Lua, we have these conditional templates that should be able to evaluate a brainfuck program by representing integers through strings. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, well I suppose with Lua, yeah. I'm not aware of how you'd implement moving an instruction pointer backwards using conditional templates, though. Tollens (talk) 10:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Unveritable, unreliable and inaccurate article.

I came across an unreliable ,derogatory, hoax and utterances that tarnishes and is irrelevant to a subject matter Drillrichard (talk) 12:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Drillrichard Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Be brave to fix it, if it is something totally hoax, feel free to tag an CSD to it. -Lemonaka‎ 12:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Drillrichard, if this is about Dapo Abiodun, you appear to have removed what seem at first glance to be relevant and properly referenced facts of public record, since restored by Knitsey – apologies if I am mistaken. You should continue to discuss the matter with Knitsey and any other interested parties, but can I ask if you have any personal connection to the subject, such that Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and/or Wikipedia:Paid might apply?

If you have not before, you should perhaps review Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I've been adding further information to the article with referencing. There is a sock puppet investigation open as there have been confirmed socks. I did add Drillrichard (talk · contribs) to it 2 days ago as the editing pattern seemed to be the same.

I'm still working on the article to improve it. Knitsey (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Global user page not showing in mobile app ( Android)

Hi,

I am using the global user page on all other languages except the English Wikipedia. When I view my user profile in another language via a browser, it correctly fetches the page from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anoopspeaks. However, if I try the same from the mobile app (Android), I end up on the non-existing local user page link, causing a 404 error. Is there a way to fix this? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe folks at WP:VPT are more knowledgeable on technical matters. As much as I love the Wikipedia mobile app, it's quite janky. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ca Thanks😊Anoop Bhatia (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing wikipedia articles about people after they have died

Hi,

This has boggled my mind quite alot lately, and I couldn't find any answers with search engines so I want to ask here:

When someone with a wikipedia article dies, is there some kind of automatical system to turn sentences written in the present tense into imperfects (like turning "Obama is an american politian" into "Obama was an american politian")? Is it all done manually or is there some other way to fix those things. 91.153.156.177 (talk) 13:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe there is an automatic way to change tense on articles. I have looked at a couple articles of lesser-known people who died after the article was written where there was a mix of "she is" and "she was" phrases in sentences, and I manually edited the article so everything read "she was." Karenthewriter (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! 91.153.156.177 (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

This is actually a task requiring a certain amount of nuance, so an automated tool would have to be very sophisticated. Imagine a world record sausage-thrower. He was the first man to throw a sausage more than 500 yards, he is the only man to have thrown a sausage more than 600 yards, he holds the record for the longest throw ever, but was the world champion until he was killed by a rebounding bratwurst. We need a mix of present and past tense depending on the context. Quite often, it's very subtle: Claudius is the Roman emperor best-known for invading Britain. Claudius was a Roman emperor, who is best known... . Claudius was a Roman emperor who invaded Britain. Elemimele (talk) 21:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

..." killed by a rebounding bratwurst" Brilliant! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

On conducting a whimsical websearch, I found to my surprise that Sausage-throwing as a sporting contest actually exists, albeit at low level, in England, Switzerland and Germany. Perhaps an article might be created in anticipation of its eventual acceptance as an Olympic event. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Indeed - there are other weird contests, too. (example). Nick Moyes (talk) 15:29, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Reassessment

How does article reassessment work? Is there a way to request reassessment for articles? A westman talk e-mail 14:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Greetings @A westman, you can request an article to be reassessed here at the "Requesting an assessment" section. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

COUNTY MAPS FOR STATES - US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

Hi. I'm looking for advice about how to create maps for Wikipedia entries so I can add US Presidential election maps for counties within states.

Specifically, I'm editing the 2020 United States presidential election in Wisconsin page, and I want to add a map of all Wisconsin counties that identifies PIVOT counties (these are different from swing, flipping, and bellwether counties). I have the necessary data in a table (from a reputable source), and was thinking presenting it in a map could be useful.

I can provide more information if needed!

Thanks in advance for any help. JK63020 (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@JK63020: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Wikipedia:Maps for Wikipedia for some helpful resources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

JK63020, The category on Commons, c:Category:Presidential election maps of Wisconsin, has the previous years for comparison, and for a starting point. Picking one out at random, File:Wisconsin Presidential Election Results 1864.svg helpfully names the counties in the SVG source but leaves the scale a little more cryptic.

Cmglee's userpage is an inspiring gallery of great stuff you can do with SVG if you're looking for ideas. Cabayi (talk) 09:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cabayi: Thanks for the compliment.

@JK63020: A choropleth map is a suitable tool for this. The article already has a few of them that you can adapt.

Additionally, Timeshifter (talk · contribs) has been working on tools to automate creation of choropleth maps such as commons:File_talk:Template_map_of_U.S._states_and_District_of_Columbia.svg/Instructions. Perhaps you can both collaborate? Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 14:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@JK63020:. Feel free to adapt anything for your use. I am not skilled at SVG though. I just try to understand and adapt the stuff cmglee and others put out. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Referencing help

Hi everyone, I'm pretty new here and I'm still getting the hang of referencing.

I want to add a reference to this Wiki article of Wendy Houses. Specifically the first sentence.

This is the reference I'm thinking of using https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co.uk/blog/guide-to-wendy-houses/

Would this reference be suitable or would it be classed as original research? WP:NOR

Thank you Bringmethesunset (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

It is difficult to tell if something is original research without knowing the text that's going in the Wiki article. WP:SYNTH has a good example of whats OR and what isn't However, I don't think that source is very reliable; it claims itself as a blog, and the publisher is more of a retail company than a media/specialist publication. I hope this helps! Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I was thinking the same but I wasn't a 100% sure.

For that particular article would the first sentence need a reference?

The one that says: A Wendy house is a United Kingdom term for a playhouse for children, which is large enough for one or more children to enter. Bringmethesunset (talk) 16:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I would definitely avoid any information pages on blogs or commercial/retail sites. They would be deemed as advertising, and you should really look for independent, reliable sources, not sales websites. An article in a 'Homes & Gardens' magazine would be fine, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Accounts

Hello, My seniors. Currently i am using same account on both my phone and also on my Laptop. Actually, i am a tour-loving boy who generally visits different places. I sometimes use my account on Laptop by some public or personal WiFi and generally use my phone on the personal internet. I saw some user are using two accounts with name like ‘On Mobile’. Please guide me in this. Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

You can make a brand new account on your phone and name it something similar to "Hussain Quadri on mobile". Then, you can you separate accounts for different devices. It is good practice to disclose alternate accounts like this on your userpage, see WP:LEGITSOCK. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ca Thank You Very Much. I’ll create a new account soon — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Managing Wikimedia User Group

Hello, I recently started a User group named Sunni Community Wikimedia on Meta-Wiki, what are the different steps to take? What is the minimum number of members should be in my User Group? Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @QuadriSyedSahab. The Teahouse is a place to ask for help with using or editing English Wikipedia; for help with Meta, it would be better to try their own help forum(s). This seems to be a place where you can ask questions about using Meta. 57.140.16.45 (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I Understood. Thanks but why are you here by you IP? — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Because I prefer it, basically. There are a few of us IP old-timers hanging about - we'll see what happens next year when things change a bit in the IP editing department. 57.140.16.45 (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Okayy -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Commons teahouse

Does the Wikimedia Commons have a separate Teahouse-type space, where I could ask similar questions, or should it all go here? -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 17:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

@Photosynthetic430, Commons:Help desk is the closest I know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

ok 138.43.105.18 (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430 A good place to start for help on Commons is c:Help:Contents. Apart from the link you have already been given, this has several others: for example frequent questions at Commons relate to copyright and there is a special page for these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! Photosynthetic430 ❧ 21:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

Guidance on sources

Where would I look for guidance on what constitutes an appropriate source? My two current questions are if I can/should cite a textbook and how to factor in the bias of a source used in the accidents section of Brightline. PyropePe (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please look at WP:SOURCE 𝑭𝒊𝒍𝒎𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔 (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! PyropePe (talk) 18:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Protected Edit request

Hi I found an article that has several errors I would like to correct but I am unable to edit it. It said I have to make a request on the talk page but I can’t get the edit request bar to appear over my message. How would I add that? Greatquestion (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Greatquestion, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can add {{edit semi-protected}} or {{edit extended-protected}} at the top of your request, depending on the protection level of the page. Alternatively, you could use the edit request wizard – it would do so for you. Tollens (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Userbox

So I was trying to put a Userbox on my page but idk if I put stuff in wrong but wen I go to my page it just shows the code for the box help pls.😊 DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES! This is because the userbox is wrapped in a nowiki tag. This can be fixed by editing your userpage and deleting the text that says "<nowiki>" and "</nowiki>". Thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 22:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Note: looks like user Tollens has fixed the issue for you. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 22:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much but also how do I get a picture to show on the side box. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 22:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES I've added a 'Userboxtop' and 'Userboxbottom]] template to move all your userboxes to the right in one column, and added a demo file for you too. Feel free to revert me edit if you don't like it.

Don't forget that Wikipedia isn't just a place to play with your userpage, but is a project to improve articles in this encyclopaedia. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Merging sections together

Sorry if this is a technically advanced question. If it is, please direct me to the correct place. I have been working on restructuring the sections in the vital articles list at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/History and I am trying to merge the sections together. If you look in the Contemporary history section, there are duplicates of sections. Before, there was 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries and I have changed them to Late modern and Contemporary. However, it seems like when I try to merge the sections together using the source editor, the process is very tedious and involves scrolling up and down. TLDR: it's a hassle. I am looking for a good tool that I can use to make the process a lot easier. I tried using AI tools like ChatGPT and Bard, but I had no luck with those. I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction on how I can solve this problem. Interstellarity (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity. It's very nice to see you back in the Teahouse again!

I can't offer an elegant solution, but I can suggest how I would approach the task. I'd add an {{in use}} template to the List before I started anything. I would then open three adjacent browser windows.

In one, I'd simply View the article and use the Contents list on the left side to navigate to where I see sections duplicated.

I'd then open that article twice so I have two sets of identical source code side by side. The left side I would treat as the 'donor' and the other one as the recipient.

Scrolling down through in View mode, I'd locate the first article in a duplicated section and make a written note of it. (I found Pelee and Sars at the top of two 'General' sections in the Americas. From my donor page I'd select all the articles I want to copy over. To find the right place quickly, I'd Ctrl-F on 'Sars' or 'Pelee', and I'd then drag and drop them into the recipient page's section. I'd repeat that process for all duplicate sections - possibly using pen and paper to tick each one off as I go.

To sort a long list of articles into alphanumeric order, I might copy them over into Excel where I could sort them and then copy them back - probably one section at a time.

I won't say that's necessarily easiest way of doing it, but I'm pretty sure it'd work for me. Before saving the page, I'd want to carefully preview it - or even copy and save it in my Sandbox to check everything looks OK.

How does that sound? (Don't forget to remove the 'in use' template afterwards) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Sounds good. I'll look into it tomorrow. How are you up at 2 AM writing all this? It's almost 9 PM from where I am. Interstellarity (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity LOL! I'm retired now and can snooze in and get up late in the mornings if I want to! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Hi Nick, I have successfully merged the sections together. I am trying to sort the pages alphabetically. I tried using LibreOffice Calc, which is a similar program to Excel, and I have no luck sorting the pages alphabetically. I am also trying to put events that happened prior to 1945 in the Late modern section and the events that happened after that time period into the Contemporary section. Although I started working on it, I am hoping that someone can help me with it as well. I don't think anybody at the Teahouse can really help me with that, so I was hoping that someone can point me into the right direction so that I can get some assistance doing this although I am willing to do some work if need be. Regards, Interstellarity (talk) 20:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

regarding deleting a page

Hi, i was translating a English wiki article to Hindi langue but somehow may be due to some glitch, it published on English wiki, kindly help me to delete it. article link is below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%9A Dcotos (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Dcotos – looks like the page has already been tagged for deletion; it should be deleted soon. Tollens (talk) 00:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, for replay, Tollens. Dcotos (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Userbox

so I have a file that I already had downloaded and I put it in the contents of side box and every time I do it doesn't show up it just says the name of the file what am I doing wrong? Lol DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

if this is about something on your userpage, I can't see any issues. please clarify. RudolfRed (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

so I've already taken off the ones that did not work but I'll make another so you can see what I'm talking about. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

It would be better if you didnt spend all your time on this. Read WP:NOTHERE RudolfRed (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES Wikipedia can't read your local files. Upload the file or find a replacement. —Stewpot (Talk • contribs) 01:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for being nice as you can see the last comment wasn't very nice I'm only just editing my page because I need practice. Thank you so much. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed's response was excellent. Practice at editing userboxes and the like won't help you editing articles, and editing articles is what this website is about. -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Timestamp mismatch

Replacing a no-longer working archived URL with a working arhived URL in reference 55 of Jacob Rees-Mogg results in "{{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch" appearing. After reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#archive_date_url_ts_mismatch and checking |archive-url= and |archive-date= several times I don't see why the error notice appears. Mcljlm (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: I've fixed the issue; looks like the archive-date parameter did not have the correct date. Tollens (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The 10 September URL you inserted Tollens has the article's headline and sub-head but no text whereas the 21 June URL has the whole article. Mcljlm (talk) 05:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see the issue – looks like you had edited the URL to the original rather than the archived copy, I've fixed all the URLs and dates so that it correctly links the original and the snapshot of 21 June 2013. Tollens (talk) 05:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Archiving references?

I've noticed that sometimes references are "archived" and sometimes they're not. Is there any requirement to archive? When is it supposed to be done? TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 04:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2: Providing an archived copy of references is for the purpose of preventing link rot, where the linked page changes or goes offline. There's no requirement to link to an archived copy of a reference or external link, but it's helpful if there's a good chance that something will happen to the source in the future. The Wayback Machine (usually) automatically takes a snapshot of a reference when it's added to a Wikipedia article, so there's almost never a need to do so yourself. If you notice that when you try to access the source provided in a reference but it's broken on the other end, you can try looking for a snapshot by pasting it into the Wayback Machine (URL https://web.archive.org) – usually it'll come up with something. If you notice this it's helpful to add it to the reference using the archive-url and archive-date parameters in {{cite web}}. InternetArchiveBot does this automatically too. Tollens (talk) 04:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The interface to direct the IABot to rescue the references on an article for you is at - https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php - Cabayi (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Interference

Wikipedia is... how do I put this? Wikipedia is slowly taking over my life. I've been staying up past midnight doing whatever I can to improve an article. It's gotten in the way of my homework, and I really, really, want to stop this habit before it gets out of control. Got any suggestions? Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC).

You could turn off whichever device(s) you use for editing Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:SELFBLOCK? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Prioritize. First, complete computer tasks that are required, such as homework. Then, set a timer for how much time you will allow for Wikipedia. Articles that need improvement won't go away if you return the next day. David notMD (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Pomodoro Technique. Cabayi (talk) 11:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

NEW Page rejected

Good day A new entry for an award winning actor was rejected and we not sure how to get WIKI to acknowledge the entry Best Paynecc (talk) 06:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Caleb Payne Tollens (talk) 06:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I can't see your reply? Paynecc (talk) 06:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

That was the reply - Tollen's just included a link to the draft so that other editors could see the proposed article. I think you may have a serious conflict of interest in this case. Your username shares the surname of the subject, and in your above comment you say we not sure how to get WIKI to acknowledge the entry which suggests you're not a single entity, but perhaps representing a group or organisation? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paynecc. Your draft, which can be found at Draft:Caleb Payne, utterly fails to make the case that this person is notable. The references are very poor. The minimum requirement is that several reliable and independent sources devote significant coverage to this actor. Your first reference is to his own website, which is not independent and therefore worthless. Your second reference is to IMDb, which is not a reliable source for use on Wikipedia, and is therefore worthless. Your third reference is to a database list of winners of some minor award. This is not significant coverage, and is therefore worthless. Cullen328 (talk) 07:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The Young Artist Academy is a pay-to-play scheme, and is of no value on Wikipedia, because people pay to be listed on that website. Cullen328 (talk)

A small note - the draft was Declined, not Rejected. The first allows that there is some potential to succeed, but real refs required. David notMD (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

David - might you please assist us in steps to get him noted.

We could not attach documents of note but links only and thus were limited in what is noteworthy and worked from what we have.

IMDB is the most comprehensive database for professional actors as they do NOT list themselves.

WIKI is a free encyclopedia and if this actor is suppose to rank of that list for other South African children who dream that anything is possible even far away surely his inclusion is helpful for all. Paynecc (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Chaheel - thank you for your reply.

I find it strange from other Teahouse feedback in that WIKI recommends speaking to members of Teahouse on their contact page but most of replies to our question were extremely negative with no constructive advice or suggestions in how to get an article for this actor.

If you google the actor you will find pages and pages of articles written by media sources.

What does one do differently to have the declined turn to accepted?

Assume Teahouse is here to assist and if not - where to go?

Thank you again Paynecc (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paynecc, and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds as if you have an (all too common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about somebody or something: that is called promotion, and is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

Once your young actor has been noticed and written about by significant commentators, an article on him will be possible - preferably not written by somebody close to him. Such an article will not belong to him or his associates, should be based on what those independent sources say, not on what he or his associates want to say. It will not be controlled by them, may be edited by almost anybody in the world except Payne and his associates, and may end up containing material he does not want. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 08:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your time.

This is not promotion.

This young actor has been congratulated by the National Parliament in South African for his achievements to date.

He has a noteworthy IMDB page and experience also.

There are countless articles online and in publish about him.

He is ranked higher than most South African actors on an international basis and they have notes on Wikipedia?

Honestly WIKI is not a marketing or promotional platform.

As the Logo reads - FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA.

I'm not sure what all the responses are so negative as we just trying to list the actor.

Main reason is that a journalist asked us why his name does not appear of the list of South African actors on Wiki.... Paynecc (talk) 13:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

remember that a noteworthy imdb page doesn't mean he's notable here

and if no sources mention him, he basically can't have an article cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paynecc: Please review WP:NACTOR to understand the inclusion criteria for actors. If Caleb Payne doesn't meet any of those criteria, then it is WP:TOOSOON for him to have a Wikipedia article. Also review WP:Golden Rule. None of the sources you provided comply with the three criteria given. You need multiple sources that meet those requirements before any reviewer would even consider accepting the draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paynecc You say that There are countless articles online and in publish about him. That should make it simple to improve your draft so it meets Wikipedia's requirements. Choose about three such sources which meet these criteria and base your draft solely on what they say, using your own words. Then resubmit the draft. Incidentally, although Wikipedia is free to read, it only covers notable topics, otherwise it would be overwhelmed with articles about every one of the nearly 8 billion people on the planet. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

So far, no attempts have been made to improve the draft from when it was Declined. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. IMDb is not an accepted ref, so I deleted it. Ditto his website. Ditto a movie that has not yet been released. For a living person, all content needs to be verified by refs. David notMD (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata images in wikipedia articles?

I'm editing a page about a flood in 1957 in Japan. Wikidata has this photo of a bridge during the flood:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11632022

How do I link that photo to the wiki page? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oona Wikiwalker, the one with the bulbous American car is File:諫早豪雨(1).jpg and the one with the debris in the river is File:諫早豪雨(2).jpg; for what to do with either (or both), please see Help:Pictures. -- Hoary (talk) 08:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

.Thank you!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Oona Wikiwalker, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you go to commons:File:諫早豪雨(1).jpg, you'll see at the top a link "use this file", which will give you a string to paste into the Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 08:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I need help for my new wiki page

How to make my new page, remove suspected advertising labels, you mature editors, can give me some suggestions for modification? SwitchBot Ejajsheik23 (talk) 07:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I wrote with reference to this entry, and the content style is basically consistent with Ecobee, but why am I judged to be suspected? Ejajsheik23 (talk) 07:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ecobee is also now tagged as having content that is written like an advertisement, so not good example. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

OMG....Could you give me some more specific suggestions based on my new page? I am very eager to get promotion and help, the prompt information is not specific enough to let me find the problem, I hope a senior can prompt me!! Thank you so much!! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I removed the written like an advertisement tag, but left the notability tag, as most of the refs are to minor awards, and describe the products, not the company. Can you find more refs? Also, do you have a paid or personal connection to SwitchBot? That is a valid question when a new-to-Wikipedia editor starts with creating an article about a company or person. David notMD (talk) 08:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!!! You mentioned the lack of bigger award content, I now go to the search engine to search and sort. I am a smart home enthusiast, so I do not have any relationship with the brand.

Thank you again!! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I ask this because your edit history is suspicious of undeclared paid editing: account created, ten very minor edits to random articles to get auto-confirmed status, and then the creation of SwitchBot without going through the AfC draft review process. Lastly, a word salad on your User page that has no connection to your creation of an article about a company in Japan. David notMD (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Your professionalism and meticulous thinking leave me in awe. I often enjoy browsing Wikipedia articles, particularly those related to various types of technology. SwitchBot happened to be a page I came across in my previous browsing experiences. However, I recently noticed that the article had disappeared, and coincidentally, I was eager to try my hand at contributing by creating a new article and editing relevant content. Hence, I decided to make my first attempt with this particular topic. I sincerely apologize for not using the AfC review process, as I genuinely overlooked that option. Thank you for your guidance! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Now at Draft:SwitchBot. David notMD (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

So do you want to see if there are any more urgent problems to be solved in my current content? Thank you for your reply. Ejajsheik23 (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Citation clean up

I recently started working with CSSP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Symbiotic_Signaling_Pathway) but it requires referencing some references several times. I could not learn the "named reference" feature due to being obsessively focused on reading the journal articles (I am Autistic and immensely monotropic that makes it difficult for me to switch in between tasks). in this situation I have introduced several references with the citation button, and later on I am failing to visually scan the wall of text where I have introduced the duplicate/ redundant references. I apologise for this mistake. But is there any available wikipedia bot which can find duplicate references and can replace with appropriate named reference?

please help me out! RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:29, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I can provide my list of reference. I need some assistance to make them a list of named reference. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Resolved. the wikimedia tool https://refill.toolforge.org/ did it successfully. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC) Thanks

Hi there, @RIT RAJARSHI. I'm glad you found the answer for yourself. I find resolving my own questions immensely satisfying. It's certainly a good way to learn. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Help correcting biographical information

Hi, apologies for this extremely basic request but I'm completely new to Wikipedia editing and I need some help correcting information on Yusif Sayigh

He was not born in Syria as currently stated in the main text and the profile box on the right, but the village of al-Bassa, Palestine (at the time).

Source from his biography, page 9.

I'm sure this is a really quick and easy thing for someone who knows what they're doing to fix, I would really appreciate your help

Dodiemop (talk) 11:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dodiemop. The place to discuss this is Talk:Yusif Sayigh. But it is not as simple as you say. The claim in the article is cited to an article in the Jerusalem Quarterly, where it says, ostensibly from his own recollections, that he was born in Kharaba, and the family later moved to al-Bassa. The book you cite is apparently in his own words, saying that his parents moved to Kharaba when he was about three.

Where reliable sources disagree, what Wikipedia should do is record that they disagree, and not attempt to resolve the disagreement. ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

OK thank you so much for the response, I will start a discussion there Dodiemop (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't reset my password. I go to the reset page but there is no place to add a new password.

My page is WIKIPEDIA/ED SEEMAN 208.95.161.131 (talk) 14:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have your current password and can log in, you should be able to go to Special:ChangePassword and there is a field to enter a new password there.

But if you have forgotten your password, then you can't enter a new one directly: for security reasons Wikipedia needs to send an email to the address you registered. See WP:FAQ/Technical#How do I recover a password I have forgotten?.

If you have forgotten your password and no longer have access to that email address, then I'm afraid that your password is unrecoverable, and you will need to abandon that account and create a new one. You should state on the User page of the new account what you previous account was. ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ISBN 10 or 13 or what?

when referencing a book in different ways, which ISBN are we supposed to use? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Iljhgtn, I believe that the ISBN depends on the book. I believe that books will have one or the other depending on when they were released, as ISBN 13 was only introduced in 2007. There does not seem to be any specific guide on which should be used as long as you follow the guidelines in the MOS. Have a good day! ― TUNA × 15:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

im looking at the isbn's for a book titled, The Capitalist Manifesto by Johan Norberg for example. this is what i found:

Publisher ‏ : ‎ Atlantic Books (September 19, 2023)

Language ‏ : ‎ English

Hardcover ‏ : ‎ 304 pages

ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1838957898

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1838957896

Of the above two ISBN's, which should i cite then from and how does an editor know which to pick? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: according to WP:ISBN use the 13 digit version if it is available RudolfRed (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ok Iljhgtn (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Help what do I do?

I’m trying to get my article submitted and I moved it to draft on my user page. I’m pretty sure I did something wrong. What should I do to fix it and publish the article? Janlopi (talk) 15:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi: I assume you mean your draft on the Catholicism’s effect on music? You had moved it correctly into the draft space, but onto a user space type title, so I've now moved it to Draft:Catholicism’s effect on music instead. I've also taken the liberty of submitting it for review (if you didn't want to do that yet, just remove the first line with the AfC tag). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi There is already an article on church music which has a large overlap with your draft: it might be better to incorporate your material there, especially as that article has been tagged as needing more references. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Soucre For Del Shannon Little Town Flirt Album 1963 Album.

i need Soucre For Del Shannon Little Town Flirt Album 1963 Album if i want to do an article of the album. Samchristie05 (talk) 16:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Samchristie05, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, that is correct: if you want to write an article (on any subject whatever) your very first step is to find several reliable independent substantial sources on it.

People who answer questions here at the Teahouse are not in general in the business of finding sources for you: it might happen that somebody is sufficiently interested to go looking, but more likely not. On the other hand, if you have looked for sources and not found any (which I guess is the case or you wouldn't be asking) then there is a very good chance that the album is not notable, and it's not worth spending any more time on the article. ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05: The list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources might be helpful for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

what about like The LA Times Samchristie05 (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Streaming platform in filmography

Greetings! Can you please let me know if putting the streaming platform for a web series in filmography is not allowed? Because my edit was deleted by a fellow user but for some reason other actors' page can have their webseries streaming platform on their information. Please kindly enlighten me, thank you! Sulley721 (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sulley721, and welcome to the Teahouse. When another editor reverts your edit, the thing to do is to open up a discussion with them (and any other editors who are interested), usually on the talk page of the article in question. The intention is to reach a consensus.

It may be that they can point you at a relevant policy. It may be that they can point you at a policy but you can argue that it doesn't apply. It may be that it's not a matter of policy, but their judgment on what is appropriate. Please see WP:BRD for how this is supposed to work. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

One further point. Arguments like "other actors' page can have ... " are often met by "it shouldn't be there either. Thank you for pointing it out". See OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Template Broken?

I can't get the Goodreads template to work, even with testing the "sample" entry.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Goodreads_author SuzanneTF (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@SuzanneTF: That template was deleted on this Wikipedia. For help with the Simple English wikipedia, you will need to ask there. simple:Wikipedia:Simple_talk RudolfRed (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh! I didn't realize that was about a separate Wikipedia. Thank you. SuzanneTF (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

October Blitz

Where can I find the barnstars awarded to the participants of the Oct 2023 GOCE blitz? 98.97.113.192 (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I believe that you can find them here. Cheers! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

HEAR ME OUT!

User has been blocked because WP:NOTHERE.

Hello everyone! Hope you guys are all fine! I am really not. I was and still am in a vulnerable and fragile situation following some developments in my personal life. That didn't stop some "editors" and other lobby servants ( be it political, ideological and/or academic) from knowingly and deliberately attacking me. Yes, I have been a victim of targeted (cyber)bullying and harassment. I have been through a lot in my life but this is way too much for way too long. Considering to take action even. Some examples: - Have strangers come to me to deliver (codified) messages; - Being constantly observed and followed; - Having my social media hacked; - Slandering and invading my privacy online and anonymously namely via Wikipedia, referring to me in the most unpleasant terms (at least show your faces!) - @Jon Kolbert was kind enough to even block one of my IPs as a favour to someone - apologies private relay use, sockpuppetry and god-knows-what-else, ah!, and "my privacy is more important than yours"; These are just some examples and by now I know most people behind this. @Grumpylawnchair , @Shadow345110 , @The Capitalist forever and others surely know what I am talking about. Before you ask : Yes, I do have issues, however these are factual. So, please, could some kind soul help me sort this out and all the others come forward and explain WTH was it going through your heads? Best regards, Chickafile Chickafile (talk) 20:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC) I have barely finished reading this but would recommend immediately striking or removing your threat of legal action to avoid a block. See WP:No legal threats. Tollens (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC) I'm sorry you are having a bad experience. But the place to bring issues of other editors' behaviour is WP:ANI. Please read the material at the top of that page carefully before posting. ColinFine (talk) 20:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC) @Chickafile I apologise if I upset you in someway, I'm just a bit confused on what I apparently did. I assure you that I meant no harm. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 21:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC) How do you dare, really? If that is not the very definition of gaslighting, I do not know what is. At least show your faces and apologise, cowards. Why is my life so important for you? What gives you the right to do such things? Humanity is really lost. Chickafile (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC) That does it. That kind of attitude will not be tolerated here. You are clearly WP:NOTHERE. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC) @Chickafile I am also confused in what I did. Shadow345110 (talk)

Thought experiment article

Hello, I have created an article for wikipedia that is just a thought experiment, not an actual study. There are no research studies for this concept just yet. Is it still possible to have this published? TheFoxTheorist (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheFoxTheorist: No. See WP:No original research. Tollens (talk) 21:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheFoxTheorist: if you're referring to Draft:Compound Fox Theory, then that would not be able to be published. This is because you'd need reliable sources covering the topic. While you do have some sources, you have used them to synthesize information, deriving conclusions from them that none of the sources individually state. This is considered original research and is not allowed. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

By the way @TheFoxTheorist, please don't remove previous decline notices from drafts. Qcne (talk) 07:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Don't remove Comments either (restored). David notMD (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Can someone please look into my edit request for "pogrom"?

I wanted to add the 10/07 Hamas attacks on Israel attacks to the article but some editors who have issues with Jews said no. I am a Jewish person and I know damn well what a pogrom is.

I have added articles to support my thesis. Pedantic editors who have ill feelings towards Jews don't want it added.

I have abided by requests to not get into an edit war, but I would like someone with experience and seniority to look into this.

It should not be this controversial to add what is clearly a pogrom to this page. Ghostlystatic (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ghostlystatic Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not experienced enough on editing in controversial subject areas to comment, but I feel that accusing others of being "pedantic editors who have ill feelings towards Jews" comes across as a personal attack. I understand your frustration, but please comment on the content, not the editor. Thank you. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Well then, their content was extremely obvious as was the intent of the content. Anything to score a goal against the Jews.

These editors about the difference between a riot and armed attack.

Either way Jewish people were massacred, it was organized, and the intent was to Jewish people. To me it is insulting pedantry and semantics.

The fact that I have to even dispute all this is disgusting and why I hate working with your website. I read it a lot but I really hate the bureaucracy. Ghostlystatic (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ghostlystatic: Continue the discussion on the talk page. If you can't reach consensus, follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, read WP:AGF and don't assume people who disagree with you are doing so because your are Jewish. RudolfRed (talk) 01:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I assume they are doing so because they don't like Jews, not just because of me.

I will follow the fiction of having a veneer of NPOV in discussions as best as I can, but I will state when something feels the way it feels to me. Ghostlystatic (talk) 02:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't really get any consensus on this besides quibbling on the difference between a riot and an armed attack by a random user who can't even spell "Israelis" right. That's the issue. It is provably true that it meets the definition of a pogrom. I can list sources but if the change isn't made by someone who has more than 500 edits or whatever my opinion is apparently worth less than a farthing. Which again is why I have resisted even trying to edit due to issues like the present one. It makes this website un-user-friendly. Ghostlystatic (talk) 02:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

What are the requirements to create an article?

I've created a few articles and submitted them to Articles for Creation, but I know it will take a long time to review them. Is there a level you can obtain where you can publish directly? Thanks! TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC) I'm not in a hurry ... just want to make sure I don't miss a stop somewhere. TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 22:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @TaxGalPDX2 and welcome to the Teahouse. To answer your question, the ability to create articles directly in mainspace is restricted to autoconfirmed users (registered, at least 4 days old and has made 10 or more edits). New articles created in mainspace will be reviewed by a new pages patroller before they can be indexed by search engines. Happy editing! Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Grumpylawnchair! TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2 From looking at your editing history, you have created three drafts submitted to AfC, two of which were declined and the third waiting on review. Given your history, I advise skipping AfC. An article created in mainspace could be changed to draft by NPP or even nominated for deletion. A note on review time - the system is not a queue. Drafts may be reviewed within days, weeks, or sadly, months. David notMD (talk) 02:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

P.S. At Oregon Board, your only ref for this extremely short draft is the Oregon Board website. You need refs to publications about the Board that have no connection to the Board. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I meant to write that I advise not skipping AfC. David notMD (talk) 10:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2: Remember there are no deadlines on Wikipedia. There is no reason to be impatient about getting a draft reviewed. You just wait, even if it takes months.

Given your record so far, even if you are permitted to write directly in article space, or move drafts there, I recommend you don't. You might find yourself wasting the time of other editors who move your stuff back to draft space because it isn't acceptable for article space.

I'm an administrator and even I occasionally submit a draft for review because I want a second set of eyes on it to make sure it's worthy. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

How do you edit an edit summary?

If I forgot to make an edit summary or there were errors in my edit summary, how do I edit it? TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2: Unfortunately there is no way to edit an edit summary. They can be deleted by administrators in instances of policy violations, but not changed. If there is information you wish to communicate, you may make a minor edit or dummy edit and refer to your previous edit in the new summary. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. There is no way to edit an edit summary after it was made. If you want to provide an explanation after the fact, you should use the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2: Another thing I've seen people do when making a mistake in an edit summary, is to make a tiny edit that doesn't change any content (like add a space after a period) and use that edit to write an edit summary to correct the previous edit summary. I don't bother, though. If I make a mistake in an edit summary, I just move on. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes

I keep making mistakes when it comes to reverting vandalism/spam is there some things I should know specifically what is spam/vandalism and what inst. Will I be blocked for this? Subariba (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Subariba Hi! I recommend you enter the WP:CVUA. —Stewpot (Talk • contribs) 00:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

C64 Direct-to-TV got link rot

C64 Direct-to-TV citation 3 has been a victim of link rot and the page no longer exists

it seems that the wordpress blog was wiped and only the example post still exists Natelabs (talk) 00:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: None of the three references link to Wordpress. Please clarify what you are asking. RudolfRed (talk) 00:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked at the references and the 3rd one - Picobay.com - is a dead link, and there's a notice that it's "just another WordPress site." Karenthewriter (talk) 04:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: Good catch! I've archived the links with the WP:IABOT (which I would recommend, it's a really useful tool and very straightforward to use!) and marked them as dead so they link to the archived pages now :) Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 11:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

User talk pages and sandbox

Can you put anything on your user sandbox (nothing offensive of course but just random stuff to put there as editing test)? Also how do you respond to someone on your talk page? Thank you. UniversalAlien (talk) 01:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@UniversalAlien: Yes, you can add a lot of stuff to your sandbox. You can also use the WP:SANDBOX, the one that everybody shares. I'd read Wikipedia:Misuse of the sandbox, though. As for replying to someone on your talk page, there should be a little link that says [reply] next to the user's signature, and you can click that and type in a reply there. Cheers! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 02:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UniversalAlien, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can put a lot of stuff on your user pages (including sandbox), but it most all, or nearly all, be part of creating the encyclopaedia, not for other purposes. See WP:UPYES and WP:UPNO. ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

why is there a page called foodp0rn

why is there a page called food porn I81.117,13.122 (talk) 02:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! There is an article called Food porn because editors created it, added a sufficient number of sources, and no one has determined that it should be deleted. There are all sorts of interesting articles that people choose to write about. GoingBatty (talk) 03:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

this site is weird I81.117,13.122 (talk) 03:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

That's because this world is weird. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Create an account and then you can create an article "Plant porn." David notMD (talk) 10:21, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I81.117,13.122 already has an account, David notMD. Their username looks a bit like an IP address on first sight, but isn't. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Too subtle for me; I do see now that it begins with a capital "I" rather than the number 1. David notMD (talk) 10:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

ha, fooled you i guess I81.117,13.122 (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the internet Babysharkboss2 was here!! 14:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

DYLN

I'm a bit confused by this one and would like other eyes on it. Article is called DYLN but intro starts

Stephanie Lang (born December 30, 1988), currently known by her stage Stef Lang name and previously known professionally as Stef Lang, is a Canadian Pop/RnB artist, songwriter, and producer based in Los Angeles, California. Lang took the stage name Stef Lang in 2016.

It looks as if this was changed in several edits in June from two IP editors, here. I don't think this is hijacking, but a musician who has changed her name or reverted to her birth name. As it is, the article is confusing. What do we do here - should it be reverted to refer to DYLN rather than Stef Lang, or do we need a source that discusses her change of name? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 11:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: If the artist now goes by DYLN, the article should be changed appropriately with published reliable sources. I suggest starting a discussion at the article's talk page, and invite the editors who renames the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Joaquin Alejandrino Natividad

My draft on Joaquin Alejandrino Natividad was declined. The reason was: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified.

I have used as references books that were published in the Philippines. These books are in the libraries of the Philippine National Library and the library of the National Historical Commission of the Philippines. How can I get these references recognized?

Thank you for reviewing my article. I hope you can guide me so that it will be published by Wikipedia. Rosepolicarpio (talk) 11:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Rosepolicarpio, it seems like the issue is not the quality of the references, but rather the tone and quantity. Do you have any questions about the comments your reviewer left? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 12:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Rosepolicarpio: I can't speak for the four reviewers who declined this before me, but my issues with it were that there was a lot of unreferenced content, with entire sections without a citation. Even if this person has long since died and doesn't come under our WP:BLP rules, we still need to be able to verify the information.

Also, while offline sources are acceptable, they need to be cited with enough details (see WP:OFFLINE) to allow the reader to reliably identify them for verification purposes. I don't think that was (is) the case with at least some of the sources here.

The draft was also written in a narrative tone with somewhat peacocky language. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Joaquin Natividad. -- Hoary (talk) 11:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Feedback on article about Nepalese lawyer

Hi, just looking for more pointers/feedback on an article on a Nepalese lawyer. Available here. I'd like to get a few different perspectives on it before I submit it to make sure it's complaint with wiki's policies. Would appreciate any help, thank you sm! Researcher1206 (talk) 11:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

How to upload a new logo?

Hello, the company I work for has recently changed its logo and I would like to upload the new one on Wikipedia. I tried uploading it through Commons but I'm not sure about the copyright to choose. Do you have any good practices to provide for this use case please? Many thanks in advance! Mathbsnd (talk) 13:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mathbsnd. Before trying again to upload the file to Commons, you probably should take a close look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#Logos because Commons only accepts public domain or otherwise freely licensed content; Commons doesn't accept fair use content of any type per c:Commons:Fair use. So, unless your company's logo is so simple that it wouldn't be considered eligible for copyright protection or your company has released a version of it under one of the free licenses that Commons accepts, you won't be able to upload it to Commons. In such a case, you could most likely upload the logo locally to English Wikipedia as non-free content as long as the way the logo is used satisfies Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You'll find further advice at WP:Logos. David Biddulph (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Userboxes' and image/copyright

(I originally posted this on Jimbo Wales talk page, but was told i'd most likely get better results here.) So, I've had three images removed from Userboxes' I've made. (a Montero one, a King Nothing one, and a King Crimson one). And all three images have had their images removed, due to copyright. Now, I reverted the King Nothing one, since I didn't know about the files only allowed in articles, but the bot re-reverted it, and I read about it and left it alone. but TODAY I made the King Crimson and Montero one. and the difference between these two and the first is that I KNEW SPECIFICALY What images I can and can't use. I checked and used the images on the infoboxes for the respective article. (I will use THIS MONTERO UBX as an example). AND the infobox image SAID "Fair use" on it. So if their both fair use images, then why does the images keep getting removed on the ground of copyright? Sorry If this is worded poorly. Babysharkboss2 was here!! 13:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

The image to which you refer was removed as a violation of WP:Non-free content criteria. You need to read that. The reason was explained in the diff. David Biddulph (talk) 13:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Babysharkboss2. As explained at WP:UBX#Caution about image use, only images which are in the public domain or otherwise released under an acceptable free license can be used in userboxes; anything that is non-free wouldn't be allowed per non-free content use criterion #9. Wikipedia does allow some types of fair use content to be uploaded and used, but only when said usage satisfies Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. This policy is quite restrictive (even more restrictive than fair use) and one of these restrictions is that such content may only be used (i.e. displayed) in the article namespace. Such content can't be used on user pages, talk pages, noticeboards, in templates, or any other type of page that isn't a Wikipedia article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

where would it say on the image that it's "free content". Since, there's a userbox using the JJBA logo, and one using the Beatles logo, and another using Abby Road's box-art. Babysharkboss2 was here!! 14:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

If you are saying that you have found userboxes that violate WP:NFCC, you can remove the violating content. You can't use other violations as an excuse for yours; see WP:Other stuff exists. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

im not saying "They did it, so why can't i?!1?" I'm just asking what IS and ISNT considered copyright, and how do I make sure it's public domain or free. Babysharkboss2 was here!! 14:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You'll find information on what can be copyrighted at Threshold of originality. You'll find further advice at WP:Copyrights, including at WP:COPYOTHERS. In general you should assume that anything you see published elsewhere is copyrighted unless you can see that it has been published under an appropriate free licence. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

ok, thank you Babysharkboss2 was here!! 15:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2 You can of course base your userboxes on virtually any image you find at Wikimedia Commons, since by policy that project only hosts images acceptable for Wikipedia in articles and elsewhere. There are numerous ways to search Commons for what you need. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2:. You can find out how a file is licensed by looking at it's Wikipedia page, and you can find a file's Wikipedia page by simply clicking on it since the image itself functions as a link to the file's page. All files uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons are required to have some basic information about the provenance of the file and a copyright license; so, there should be something on each file's page stating how it is licensed and anything licensed as "non-free" is going to unacceptable for user boxes. However, please understand that files are not really vetted before they're uploaded and basically the license added is based upon the uploader's self-assessment. This means that a file can be incorrectly licensed and it's just that nobody noticed the mistake yet. Since Commons doeesn't allow non-free content of any type, most files you find on Commons should be OK for userboxes; once again, though, incorrectly licensed files often slip through and go unnoticed (even for some time). -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Make Way for Noddy Cast

Hi all,

I have only just recently opened an account with Wikipedia (although I have edited before as an unregistered user). I'm a children's television historian.

I'm having some problems regarding sourcing for the Make Way for Noddy cast. In the UK, the cast never receive any credit on screen, so I've been trying to track them down for a long time now. I've finally managed to get ahold of the full cast list directly from the UK's voice director, but this it seems is not sufficient (even paired with the only instance I can find of the cast being credited onscreen in the UK, as if they're going to completely recast for a special episode or something). I find the the fact that this is not sufficient extremely disheartening, like all my efforts have been in vain.

My argument is - how do you verify any uncredited cast or crew? It's not uncommon for them to not receive on-screen credit, take old cartoons for example. All that information is obtained by people, like me, who go directly to the people who worked on it and get the information directly from the horse's mouth. It's not documented anywhere; it just comes from the source. And it's even less uncommon for voice actors to be listed without specifying who they actually voices which also would be a problem going by these guidelines. If we all stuck to these guidelines, we'd never truly know anything unless it's credited onscreen - imagine how short Daws Butler or June Foray's filmographies would be!

I think this site would be better operated in matters like these by going by a quantum of proof - ie. there's more proof than not. I mean, it's not as if I'm editing the results of a World Cup, we're talking about a children's TV show from the early 2000's - what possible motive would I have for fabricating that (unless I was adding myself to the cast or something!).

It's like if I went on Amazon and made a Kindle ebook titled "Make Way for Noddy Cast" and put my email from the voice director in quotes inside, you'd probably except it (based on what I've seen on other pages). How is this any different? Simple answer: it's not.

For full information, including links to screenshots, see my original thread with user Waxworker: User talk:Waxworker#Make Way for Noddy

Thank you,

Ed. EdwardBohan89 (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@EdwardBohan89 As you probably know, IMDb contains that sort of information (see this link) and although Wikipedia does not consider that a reliablle source, because it is user-generated, we do allow external links to these entries as part of our articles. Your only alternative is to publish your research in another outlet considered as reliable and then quote that publication here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, EdwardBohan89, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the answer is that you cannot add unpublished information to a Wikipedia article. Verifiability is a core principle: we want a reader in Birmingham next week or Buffalo next month or Bangaluru next year, to be able to verify the information in an article (it doesn't have to be easy: needing to order a copy from a major library, for example, is acceptable).

The problem is not that anybody doubts your veracity: it's that Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anybody can edit. Suppose you insert unsourced information, and next year somebody changes that - out of a sincere belief that it was wrong, or by mistake, or out of malice to somebody, or out of vandalism. That change may or may not be noticed, and an editor look to correct it. But if there is no published source, that editor has no way of knowing which is the correct information, and nor has any future reader.

If you can get your research published by a reliable source, then it can be referenced in a Wikipedia article - though you should not add it yourself, because that would be regarded as a conflict of interest ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine & @Michael D. Turnbull,

Thank you both for taking the time to explain and in a more respectful manner than the last guy I might add!

My main gripe with it all is that anyone can be an expert in any field, just because someone is published, doesn't necessarily mean they're any more right from some unknown guy like me. I see it all over Wikipedia. Especially on pages for old cartoons from Warner Bros, Fleischer Studios etc. Who really knows who provided, say for example, the voice of the baby Swee'Pea in the old Popeye cartoons. Answer is: we don't know for certain - one book written by an expert says one thing, another says another, the company has long since been closed/merged and everyone who worked on it are dead. How come that's allowed to go unchallenged? And as I pointed out on the Make Way for Noddy page, how did it come to pass that Ben Small was attached to so many characters in the first place? We knew he worked on the show, but why was it never challenged before as to who he voiced? I see no source for that (and as it turns out this information IS wrong going by the voice director for the show).

I know that has to be some form of proof - but I genuinely thought I had provided enough. But hey-ho, it is what it is I guess.

I've had my findings in this matter put out on several IMDB episodes for Make Way for Noddy (I'll do the rest in due course).

Sorry for the rant, but it's just very frustrating. I'm sure you understand. As I said before, it's like having all your hard work slung back in your face, but I shouldn't keep going on at people who are just doing what Wikipedia says is "the right way of doing things", please forgive me.

Thanks again for your response. It is much appreciated.

Ed EdwardBohan89 (talk) 16:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@EdwardBohan89: There are times when reliable published sources disagree, and we can indicate that in an article by stating that source 1 states X and source 2 states Y. GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I change my username?

I wanna change my username to something else but I have no idea how. Does anyone know how I can change my username? DarkModeEditor (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @DarkModeEditor, and welcome to the teahouse. You may request a username change by following the instructions here. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! DarkModeEditor (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:45, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed a section (References) but article did not reflect same. Why? [Reverted just in case.]

Short form of question:

Why would a published change to a section of an article _not_ show up when subsequently viewing the enclosing article?

2601:1C2:801:4420:38D0:1FAA:645C:CB4C (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC) A Nony Mouse

Question again, very long form:

In re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIC_168789840

curprev 18:23, 25 October 2023‎ 2601:1c2:801:4420:38d0:1faa:645c:cb4c talk‎ 13,239 bytes 0‎ Undid revision 1181867911 WHY did said rev have no visible effect? Reverting from abundance of caution. by 2601:1C2:801:4420:38D0:1FAA:645C:CB4C (talk) undo Tag: Undo

curprev 18:19, 25 October 2023‎ 2601:1c2:801:4420:38d0:1faa:645c:cb4c talk‎ 13,239 bytes 0‎ →‎References: Re-order refs to match order of call out in article text (i.e. prev "5" was first, now re-ordered same ref to be "1"). 2601:1C2:801:4420:38D0:1FAA:645C:CB4C (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC) A Nony Mouse undo Tag: Reverted 21 October 2023

I find it confusing when the first citation in an article is to source "5". So I moved the first reference called out in the article to be first in the list in the References section. This was preparation for sorting all of them. My change was to the References section. Previewing the Reference section showed the Reference section appearing exactly as expected/intended, no errors. So I published the change.

I then viewed the main/full/article page. My change was missing. The old/former/previous content of the Reference section was displayed.

Why? What if anything did I do wrong? How to troubleshoot?

Regardless, I immediately reverted/undid the change lest something else that I do not understand cause problems.

[I acknowledge that I am doing something picky. And I am quite aware of how "delicate" such ordering can be when many people are making all manner of changes over time.] 2601:1C2:801:4420:38D0:1FAA:645C:CB4C (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Citations in the Infobox (when there is one) come before any citations in the main text of the article, so if as in this case there are 4 (different) citations in the infobox the first (different) one in the text has to be be "^[5]".

The numbering of citations is performed automatically, so that if one is removed or added all the others will be renumbered as necessary without an editor having to do anything. It's best therefore not to fiddle with them for the sake of personal aesthetics. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 19:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

This is not a special rule for infoboxes. References are numbered in the order they are used in the code for the page. Infoboxes are usually first in the source code and therefore also first in the produced code. They have a CSS class with float: right which places them to the right with later content allowed to float to their left if there is room. If you make the window very narrow in the desktop version then the infobox is displayed on top with the lead text below it and not to the left or before. The mobile version has special treatment of infoboxes and may display them later than they appear in the code. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Blocked.

I think I have been blocked from editing by Widr. The notice showed up on my phone but I cannot locate the notice on my computer. Where would such a notice appear? How can I determine the reason for the block? Drsharps53 (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Drsharps53 I do not see a block notice on your Talk page, nor any reverts of your recent edits that might have triggered a block. While User:Widr does do a lot a blocking, I do not see any recent block of your account. Have you tried editing an article? David notMD (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks. Will try…as soon as I spot something. Drsharps53 (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, not blocked! How odd…. Drsharps53 (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You're likely not logged in on your phone; what shows up there is most likely an IP block, not a block of your account. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Completing the translation of article Translation Christiane Benner

Europe's largest industrial union has a woman as the leader. I try to complete a translation of her german wikipedia page. Draft:Christiane Benner. ()()I have technical difficulties with the reference link to the newspaper tagesspiegel which I was not able to fix without help. Otherwise. I would like to have a second opinion on this aticle before i move it into the normal space for articles. My questions: 1. Can somebody please help me with the error message of the Tagesspiegel reference? 2. Is the article ready to be moved? Feel free to edit and move the article Aberlin2 (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Aberlin2, I made some changes which fixed the error currently shown; but I'd created a worse error and so reverted what I'd done. I note that your citations have parameters "titel" and "autor", which isn't how we spell those words here. Unfortunately, copying a citation verbatim from one language of Wikipedia to another often doesn't work. Maproom (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I've now fixed the error that was causing a warning. The character between the two words of "IG Metall" was something weird, which I've replaced by a regular space. Maproom (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

thank you for youre support i moved the article to the article space and hope this was not to early but i was worried that another person tries to translate her page without noticing my already done work Aberlin2 (talk) 20:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Though, anomiebot does tend to swing by and fix those soon enough. -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Creating a page

I recently made the mistake of googling myself and found some odd things I never posted. I am curious on how to create a wiki page on my public life as a public performance artist. I'd like to do it the right way and have seen my contemporaries that have pages on themselves with a much smaller public profile. How do I do this correctly as I am not very educated. I am reading up on it here and just want to do things correctly. Thank you. Chinaksi187 (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Chinaksi187: Hi there! WP:AUTO explains that Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiographies. Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of you, and determine whether they demonstrate that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and summarize what the sources have published, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, declines, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 21:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate the guidance. I will opt not to create anything on myself as it seems to be something I am not versed at, I am just curious as to what I have found out there on me and found it odd. There are many links about what I do but I think it's best I leave it up to fate. Thanks again. Chinaksi187 (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

COI noticeboard?

I tried looking at the noticeboards category, and can't seem to find one for COI specifically. These edits to Allen Frances look a lot like COI: they read as personal opinion and belief-based just put in third person, and are not sourced. Kimen8 (talk) 22:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Would this be what you're looking for? WP:COI/N Knitsey (talk) 22:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I searched "COI" on Category:Wikipedia noticeboards, when I should have spelled out the word. Kimen8 (talk) 22:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Appropriateness of hatting or archiving of a thread guidance?

Note: I'm specifically asking that any reply not provide opinion or advice, but rather only existing consensus in Policies and guidelines. Can someone point me to the guidance on when hatting or archiving of a thread is appropriate? Or a way to do search of Policies and guidelines pages for keywords? All I've been able to find is unclear or contradictory. (Example: Let's say I opened a thread on a WP: Talk page, to raise an issue, and I thought had evidently run its course, and would not get the last word by doing the hatting/archiving.) RudolfoMD (talk) 22:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi RudolfoMD. Perhaps the information you're looking for can be found in WP:TPG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you give the money-begging a frigging rest, please?

I haven't beenn able to view a single page without you sticking your hand out. 24.69.97.22 (talk) 23:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You can disable the fundraising banners by creating an account, then unticking the box next to Preferences > Banners > Fundraising. Tollens (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP 24.69.97.22. Please understand that the "you" you're referring to in your post is really the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), and how they operate their fundraising campaigns is really not anything that the volunteers who edit Wikipedia have any control over. While it's possible for those with user accounts to set their preferences to "turn off" those banners, eliminating them completely or making it possible for non-registered accounts to also turn them off is something you will need to take up with the WMF. You can tyring emailing your concerns about all of the donation banners this to this email address, and perhaps you'll get a response. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

My article was deleted without any notice. Is it common on Wkikipedia?

Hello Wikipedia guys. Thanks for watching my question. I'm a new member to Wikipedia and I posted the 3rd article few days ago. But it was deleted suddenly without any notice. Is it common on Wikipedia? I think it is undemocratic and unfair. I thought if my article was not good for Wikipedia it should be noticed and discussed. But there was not any notice and deleted suddenly. I think my article handles very common matter about " How to enjoy old lens", and neutral and verifiable. The guy deleted my article said "Wikipedia cannot handle New matters". Is it right? If it is common in Wikipedia, I cannot handle "Recent(new) topics" on Wikipedia. I think it will degrade the presence of Wikipedia.

How do you think about it?

The deleted article is on my Sandbox. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:TomoakiKasuga/sandbox

The guy deleted my article is --柏尾菓子 The talk with him is below and I think it is meaningless to talk with him.

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”オールドレンズ 楽しみ方 評価手法 井の頭レンズ研究所”　を削除されたようですが、不当であると考えます。オールドレンズの楽しみ方を書いており、新しいレンズ評価手法を考えており、従来の手法とは違う方法ですから、参考データとしてサイトを参照するのは当然と考えます。これがだめなら新しい方法はWikiには載せられないという事になりませんか？

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「新しい方法」をWikipediaに載せることはいけません。独自研究です。そういう方法があるという、信頼できる情報源による出典による、専門家などが分析した資料を用いて記事を作成してください。Wikipedia:ウィキペディアは何ではないか、Wikipedia:中立的な観点などもご参考ください。--柏尾菓子（会話） 2023年10月24日 (火) 02:51 (UTC) TomoakiKasuga (talk) 00:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TomoakiKasuga, and welcome to the Teahouse! It looks like this is about the Japanese Wikipedia, a completely different website than the English Wikipedia – we cannot help you very well with issues there. However, as I assume their rules about original research are similar to ours, I will say that he is correct that the article does appear to consist largely if not entirely of original research, which is (at least here on the English Wikipedia) unfortunately not allowed. I cannot comment on the speed of the deletion as I am entirely unfamiliar with the deletion process at the Japanese Wikipedia. Tollens (talk) 01:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi TomoakiKasuga. Each of the local Wikipedias is a separate project with its own policies and guidelines, and its own community applying and enforcing those policies and guidelines. The Teahouse is really intended for questions about English Wikipedia and it's better to ask questions about Japanese Wikipedia over on Japanese Wikipedia. You can try the Japanese Wikipedia Help Desk at ja:Wikipedia:利用案内 and see if someone there is able to answer your question. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

How can I export the reference list of a Wikipedia page to import into EndNote or Zotero?

I have a large page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Smooth_Island_(Tasmania) which I want to rewrite via Microsoft Word. I'll need to use a reference manager like EndNote or Zotero. How can I export the page, and it's reference list, to ensure the numbered inline citations don't become a complete mess once I start moving sections around in Microsoft Word?

Thanks Vitreology (talk) 01:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vitreology: The reference list is built from the references inside the article's wikitext. Its not something you can export or import separately. I'm not sure how well importing the article to Word, editing, and then trying to export to wiki text will work. You may want to start with a small changes instead of a large rewrite to see how it goes before you spend a lot of time on this. RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vitreology: I will second what RudolfRed recommended above about "major rewrites". Generally, it's better to be WP:CAUTIOUS is such situations and work on improving an article gradually then to try and do so in one fell swoop. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project in which users try to improve and build upon the edits made by others. Unless an article is in absolutely horrible shape or is nothing more that a few sentences, completely disregarding the work of others who might have previously edited an article (without a really good policy based reason for doing so) is often viewed unfavorably and can lead to a quick revert per WP:BRD. By at least explaining what you'd like to do on the article's talk page, you're giving others a chance to offer feedback and perhaps point out policy or guideline issues that you might not be aware of. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, if you have a look at it, I've written 99.9999% of the content of that page. There is not anyone else to consider at this stage. Vitreology (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

​ If that's the case, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Making changes in bits and pieces can, however, still be beneficial to others since it makes it easier to follow what you're doing instead of trying to decipher one massive rewrite. Here are some suggestions on your rewrite. You should set thumbnail images to a fixed pixed width because it forces everyone to see the image at the same size regardless of the device they're using. This could create MOS:ACCESS issues for user who are reading the article, but who aren't using the same device that you're using. It's better to scale images instead as explained in MOS:UPRIGHT. You should try and refraing from using MOS:ALLCAPS whenever possible, even in citations. You should pick one of the acceptable WP:CITESTYLE and apply it consistently throughout the article. You should also avoid WP:BAREURLs whenever possible. You should also make sure the date format is consistent (including in citations) throughout the article per MOS:DATEUNIFY. Finally, you might want to consider other ways to display the images being used in the article since MOS:SANDWICHing too many images into an article can make it difficult to read, particularly for those use smartphones or other portable devices. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thank you.

I really would love to know how to cleanly extract the references from the article. I've tried many approaches and so far nothing has worked.

I'd really like to be able to export the article's reflist into either a RIS or BibTeX format. Vitreology (talk) 02:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Sources for bands

When citing sources specifically for a music group/band, can you use their website as a reliable source? For example, if I was to cite a source for a new album, could I cite the website page where they list the album and the songs in it as a reliable source? (Sorry if this is already answered in the help guide I’m just not sure) UniversalAlien (talk) 01:37, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, what are the little “character” things on the top right corner of some user pages? UniversalAlien (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi UniversalAlien. Reliable sources for articles about bands are pretty much the same as WP:RELIABLESOURCEs about any subject; they tend to be WP:SECONDARY sources published by reputable publishers who have an established track record of editorial control. You can try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians for more specific examples. As for your second question, those are, I believe, called "top icons", which are actually templates users can add to their user pages to indicate certain things. For example, Template:FA user topicon is a template that users who have helped to create Featured Articles can add to their user page, while Template:Rollback topicon is a template that users who have been granted WP:ROLLBACK priviledges can add. Such icons are part vanity and part informative and exist for all kinds of accomplishments or priviledges. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Just to add on, you can cite self-published sources for claims about themselves (like your case), though with a couple exceptions (see WP:ABOUTSELF), but secondary sources are certainly preferred. Keep in mind that the source would not count toward establishing notability. Tollens (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

User sandbox

What exactly is a ‘user sandbox’? Is it a sandbox that no one else can see, just me, or is it still a sandbox just for me, but anyone else can see it?

Thanks, Shadestar474 (talk) 02:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@shadestar474: just for you (although everyone can edit it (they usually don't)), but everyone can see it. ltbdl (talk) 02:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Shadestar474. There's a community-wide sandbox at WP:SANDBOX and there's also an individual WP:USERSANDBOX for each registered account. The community sandbox can be used by unregistered accounts or anyone else who wants to and it tends to be recyclied fairly rapidly. Individual sandboxes are in your user namespace and you're free to use them as you please as long as do so in compliance with WP:UP. For reference, anything you post in your sandbox or delete from your sandbox can be seen by others per WP:REALWORLD, so you might want to keep that in mind when using it, Most people will leave your sandbox alone unless there's some kind of serious problem that requires attention, e.g. WP:COPYVIO, WP:BLP violations or any other serious violation of Wikipedia policy.-- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, @Marchjuly and @Ltbdl! This is very helpful. Shadestar474 (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2023 (UTC)