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The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs (FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.‎. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FCSB

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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.

If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB (talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.

FWIW the article appears to be well written and since the club is in Liga I and has always been so and have had major success, I !vote keep and cleanup using better and more reliable sources. If it turns out that these assertions are false then we can reconsider notability— Iadmc ♫^talk 14:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Try the articles in Wikipedia:Fake news to root out sites that are either satirical or disengenuous and read the project pages to get some idea of what we think about Fake News— Iadmc ♫^talk 14:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep This is a long-standing content dispute, not a deletion rationale. The same user PRODded the page several years ago. It might be time to consider a topic ban. SportingFlyer T·C 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close AfD is absolutely not the right venue for this discussion. User appears to have a partial ban for editing topics related to FCSB. Invalid nomination. Jay eyem (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close – Clearly FCSB inherits the records of FC Steaua Bucharest, being prevented from using the name for bureaucratic reasons. Svartner (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bureaucratic reasons? That's what you call now identity theft? lmao 213.233.104.44 (talk) 11:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Team Outer Banks

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Ostensibly a team in a sailing competition, or possibly two unrelated teams of the same name. Not notable, no independent references, some of this is indistinguishable from vandalism. Walsh90210 (talk) 07:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to 2011 NEAFL season selectively. Owen× ☎ 14:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2011 QAFL reserves season

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Fails WP:GNG: references are all database or WP:ROUTINE coverage by non-independent sources (e.g. the league, the clubs within it, and the online database where scores are entered. This also fails any reasonable 'pub test' of notability: it's a routine season article for a league which itself has no article and – as the reserves league for an already fairly minor competition – would also fail GNG. Aspirex (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What if it was merged into 2011 NEAFL season (with a lot of info taken out)? When the VFA/L reserves existed, for instance, those results were referenced on the main senior season page. These were reserves for 7/17 NEAFL clubs that season Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Merge makes sense and is fine with me.
SportingFlyer T·C 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would still delete, even after merging any salient points. I don't believe "2011 QAFL reserves season" is a likely search for anyone seeking this information. Aspirex (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not even convinced individual NEAFL seniors seasons are notable, let alone reserves seasons! – Teratix ₵ 08:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Clearly fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and selective merge to 2011 NEAFL season as a reasonable ATD. Fails GNG and lacks notability as a standalone article. Frank Anchor 14:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can the editors advocating a merger please explain more clearly exactly what material they believe should be merged? Most 2011 NEAFL clubs did not even field teams in this competition. – Teratix ₵ 15:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the prose background about how the QAFL and ACTAFL came together and what happened to the minor grade structures when that occurred is relevant for merge (as long as the equivalent info is added for how it happened in Canberra). That's probably all I'd merge - I'm not sure it would be right to merge any of the results across, that would be like including VFL results on an AFL season page. Aspirex (talk) 20:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke From wikipedia, reserve seasons don't even qualify under WP:NSEASONS, you can have some reserve stuff on a top season article, but not an article about a reserve team season, that's just overkill on data for wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 04:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dubai Polo & Equestrian Club

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Non notable article about an organization/club that doesn't meet WP:GNG. I can't talk of WP:NCORP when there is no notability and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with the nom. Doesn't satisfying {WP:GNG]]. MaskedSinger (talk) 09:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sports Illustrated writers

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject meets the WP:NLIST as the grouping has been discussed in several secondary sources, such as [[1]] and [[2]], along with several books about the magazine which discuss the writers. Let'srun (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Let'srun. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references provided by LetsRun which show passage of NLIST. Frank Anchor 18:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject is discussed as a group in secondary sources such as [[3]], [[4]], [[5]] and [[6]] just for starters. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Let'srun. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references provided by LetsRun which show passage of NLIST. Frank Anchor 18:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN Radio personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The personalities for ESPN radio are discussed in a multitide of sources, such as [[7]], [[8]], [[9]], and [[10]]. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These links falls under WP:ROUTINE, more like another announcments of lineups. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I'm not sure the nom did a proper WP:BEFORE search because from what I'm seeing this seems to pass WP:NLIST based on some searching. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Looks like a consensus to Keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of past ESPN personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This group has been covered in secondary sources, such as [[11]], [[12]] and [[13]]. Let'srun (talk) 10:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
News articles of 'personalities' being laid off, just a small selection of this list. Doesn't have much relations with it though. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the entire grouping needs to be covered for WP:NLIST to be met. If you want a wider selection covered, there is [[14]]. Let'srun (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not forgetting alls under WP:ROUTINE. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of ESPN personalities. I agree with Let'srun that there are indeed sources to attribute to this, but the past can merge with the main article. No need to fork it. Conyo14 (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per Let'srun. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Agree on keeping, the topic has received coverage in secondary sources. Waqar💬 17:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players

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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It desperately needs an update, but this is another misuse of the term "indiscriminate" in a list deletion discussion - there is crystal clear inclusion criteria. SportingFlyer T·C 02:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep—Likewise falls under WP:NLIST, by my reading. It's not the individuals who are notable. It's the "group or set" at is notable as such. Anwegmann (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T·C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz: I specifically didn't !vote keep because the article's not in good shape, but I'm not a delete. The deletion rationale is flawed - LISTN does not require a source listing the subjects as a group, and it's not indiscriminate. SportingFlyer T·C 08:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable group of individuals covered by a group in reliable sources. The article needs improved, but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Frank Anchor 19:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to ESPNU. No participation in the past 7 days changes the outcome determined by the previous closer, Star Mississippi. I see no reason to contradict their decision last week. I don't think additional relistings would help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPNU personalities

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This group does not have the requisite coverage in secondary sources as a group to meet the criteria established by WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to ESPNU as an WP:ATD. It serves as a WP:NAVIGATION, but there are no grouping sources for satisfying WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge to ESPNews per WP:ATD. A list that is useful being a category but not as a list, which is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unsourced and fails verification; a spot-check of articles linked (Joe Davis (sportscaster), Mike Crispino, Andy Katz) shows none of them mention ESPNU, just ESPN in general. The concept of being an "ESPNU personality" (separate from other ESPN brands) does not appear to exist. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to ESPNews. as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPNews personalities

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Let'srun (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to ESPNews. There are no grouping sources on the subject, but the WP:NAVIGATION purposes are still there, so the ATD is better at the main. Conyo14 (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge to ESPNews per WP:ATD. A list that is useful being a category but not as a list, which is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to List of SportsCenter anchors and reporters; unsourced and the target articles generally describe people as SportsCenter hosts rather than being specifically associated with ESPNews. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This is the function of categories, not articles. Carrite (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to ESPNews Article is frozen in time from 2014 when all original programming it carried was phased out, and ESPNews and SportsCenter up to 2014 were generally completely different in tone and direction. Nate • (chatter) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Czechoslovakia women's junior national softball team

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Subject does not meet the WP:NTEAM because of a lack of coverage from RS. Let'srun (talk) 17:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This article isn't well-established, and I don't see enough reliable sources. Waqar💬 17:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Malinaccier (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics on CBC commentators

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY and announcments, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete I found only this so far [15]. So, maybe more exist? Otherwise it's WP:LISTCRUFT mixed with WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source appears to be from the CBC, and as such isn't independent. I can't find much else so far. Let'srun (talk) 23:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article should as a secondary option, be merged with the main CBC Olympic broadcasts article. Otherwise, a lot of great effort has hopefully recently been made to provide better context and information (there are now, about 60 references that have been added) behind the extensive history of CBC's Olympic Games coverage in Canada dating back to the early 1960s and to make it less "bare bones" looking. Here's some additional information on CBC's Olympic telecasts of recent times: Steve Armitage retires after 50-plus years calling Olympics and more for CBC, Famed CBC announcer Steve Armitage will miss Rio Olympics over heart problems, CBC’s Devin Heroux shares how he won’t be going to Beijing after December positive COVID test, illustrating wider media concerns, With Canada’s women’s curling team eliminated from Olympic medal contention, Canadian Twitter is upset…at the CBC’s Colleen Jones?, Support pours in for CBC’s Elliotte Friedman, who’s still hard on himself, VIDEO: CBC announcer mixes up Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte during 200 IM Final, CBC hot mic catches swimming analyst saying 14-year-old “died like a pig”. Also from the CBC Media Centre, CBC'S TOKYO 2020 BROADCAST TEAM, CBC'S OLYMPIC WINTER GAMES BEIJING 2022 .... A "full" list of CBC's television personalities can be found here. BornonJune8 (talk) 08:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked the sources; the first three sources are about the announcers, the one about Canada’s women’s curling team (source 4) are about the team, the other three about the games itself and the last two are WP:PRIMARY. Anything supporting this list is doing nothing for it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with this analysis. Let'srun (talk) 11:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep copy/paste rationale, no evidence of a WP:BEFORE check. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Before you accuse me of a copy/paste rationale, I have made a WP:BEFORE check. I already debunked the new sources above. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This does not meet the WP:LISTN as the group isn't discussed in non-primary sources or really any RS whatsoever. The sources are either YouTube links, press releases, blogs, or are from the CBC. Another example of WP:REFBOMBING. Let'srun (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tony Mehelich

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5. I created this stub in July 2020, when playing in the NFL created a presumption of notability. (Mehelich appeared in eight games as a guard for the Red Jackets in 1929.) Under current guidelines, there is no longer a presumption. I have searched extensively for WP:SIGCOV and came up empty. Cbl62 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Could be redirected to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season, then, but for some reason he is not mentioned there. Adding him could bolster the squad list in the article, which needs references, players' age during the 1929 season, and matches played during that season. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to the redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 02:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He played in eight games (starting half). The team only played 10 games that year. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in the NFL (especially in the 1920s) is no longer a basis for notability. I've searched extensively for SIGCOV and came up empty. Cbl62 (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG at this time. A redirect makes sense as a WP:ATD. I've gone ahead and listed Mehelich on the roster there. Let'srun (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Quast

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Article unconditionally and utterly fails WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Article has been tagged for 18 months due to this deficiency and still no SIGCOV. Preferred result is redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1923 but my efforts to do that have twice been reverted (in 2022 by User:BeanieFan11 and in 2024 by User:Let'srun). Cbl62 (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1923: My revert was due to the previous request for a discussion regarding notability of the subject, which had not yet occurred. A search of multiple newspaper archives failed to uncover any WP:SIGCOV for the subject, however, and as such WP:GNG is not met. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the list mentioned, player isn't notable by himself BFC Aspie (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's a case for keeping here. There's lots of mentions and some articles on him which could arguably be SIGCOV, such as this piece from The Courier-Journal which is a decent-sized piece focusing on him and one other; there's also an article on "Quast Is Added To Grid Staff At U. of L." ("He was one of the best punters ever produced by a local school and his kicking won immediate attention at Purdue") and a brief piece with a photo [16] ("his ability to snag forward passes has gained him recognition") – his one-game stay with the Brecks also has coverage: "Quast, Ex-Purdue Star Is To Play With Brecks In Tomorrow's Contest" / [17]. His death also received coverage in the area papers, such as [18] ("Quast ... starred at Purdue and he became an outstanding football official"). Thoughts @Cbl62, Let'srun, and BFC Aspie:? – I can turn this into something pretty decent if you like. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that of those sources, the best one is the 1926 one talking about him joining the Louisville coaching staff. The other ones are either mentions or focus more on other people, while I'm not sure how to rate the obit. I do think this is a close call with those sources though, so maybe draftify (or userfy) to try and find more sources? I'm also wondering now if there are any books which may have covered him? Let'srun (talk) 19:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is willing to work on adding the sources and improving the article, I'd support draftification. Cbl62 (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I were to expand the article with the sources found, would both of you consider that sufficient? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support draftifying at this time, but I think we'd need one more piece of significant coverage to have the GNG (or BASIC) be met. Will take another look later though as it is a close case of notability. Let'srun (talk) 00:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Draftification seems like the best way forward if someone is willing to work on it. Cbl62 (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that more sigcov is needed or that it would be sufficient if it were expanded? I can absolutely expand it whenever necessary – but I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time on something that will be deleted if further coverage isn't found. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably enough to get by the lower bar of WP:SPORTBASIC #5, but not sure if it's enough under WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 20:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62: I guess, my question is, would you support it being in mainspace if I were to substantially expand it? It takes time for me to do these things and I want to make sure that, if I did expand it, I wouldn't be wasting my time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought this through and I'm not convinced that the proffered sources satisfy GNG. The whole basis for his claim to notablity is that he played one game for the Louisville Brecks in 1923. Only two of the sources touch briefly on his pro "career", namely this one, and both simply announce that Quast signed with the Brecks -- with no depth whatsoever. And the obit in the Courier Journal (here) doesn't even mention his one-game NFL "career" -- if his one game with the Brecks wasn't even significant enough to merit even a brief mention in his obituary, how in the world can we then claim that it is notable enough to be the basis of an encyclopedia article?? Cbl62 (talk) 05:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Kane (American football)

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Article unconditionally and utterly fails WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Article has been tagged for 18 months due to this deficiency and still no SIGCOV. Preferred result is redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921 but my efforts to do that have twice been reverted (in 2022 by User:BeanieFan11 and in 2024 by User:Let'srun). Cbl62 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921: My revert was due to the previous request for a discussion to determine notability, which hadn't yet occurred. However, a search of multiple newspaper archives failed to uncover the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Spent four years at Fordham and played professionally in 1919 as well as 1921. That "George Kane Fordham" in NY / OH doesn't seem to bring up anything has me thinking that he might have been known under another name. It seems Fordham in 1912 had two Kanes, H. Kane and V. Kane. Wonder whether one of those is our Kane under a different name... BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1895 Pacific Tigers football team

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After reviewing this article, I am not convinced that it meets the WP:GNG or WP:NSEASONS. The only source is a database, and I'm not finding the sources needed to meet the notability guidelines. Let'srun (talk) 02:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Given that every other season on Pacific's football history has an article, I think some kind of merger would probably be best so that the information on this one is not lost. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you actually have a suggestion for a merge, perhaps to a combined season article? I'm all ears, but looking at 1898 and 1899, I'm not seeing much for those seasons either...Let'srun (talk) Let'srun (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention, there isn't much info here to save, considering the only source. Let'srun (talk) 02:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pacific Tigers football, 1895–99, perhaps? Or maybe extend it to include a few of their next seasons? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see coverage to meet NSEASONS even for that range, at least from a first glance at the sources in those articles and elsewhere. 1898 has only the database and a very short recap, while the 1899 one has only the database and a long section devoted to the rules of the game in the era with no references to the actual team. Reasonable minds may differ. Let'srun (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is the first game and the first season of the team's history. The year is a matter of record and the season covered to some extent in the sourcing. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

covered to some extent in the sourcing Where? All I'm seeing is one line in a database entry here. Cbl62 (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete (without prejudice). Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS due to the lack of WP:SIGCOV. Pacific was a major program in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s but not so in the 1890s. Indeed, the program was practically non-existent prior to 1919 -- a grand total of five games played between 1895 and 1918 (zero wins, one tie, four losses, 11 total points scored). If someone some day wants to create an article on the early history of the Pacific football program, it might possibly be viable, but I certainly don't have the time or inclination to work on that when there are so many more worthwhile topics to pursue. Cbl62 (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Pacific Tigers football, 1895–1899. Jweiss11 (talk)

@Jweiss11: Two issues with your suggestion: 1) a closer cannot redirect to a redlink so that's not viable unless someone creates it; and (2) is there SIGCOV to support the proposed article? Cbl62 (talk) 19:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1884 DePauw football team

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After a review of the sources in this article, I'm not convinced this team meets the WP:GNG or WP:NSEASONS, despite having the claim of playing in the first football game in Indiana. The only source is from the team website, which is primary. A check of newspaper archives didn't come up with much better, with only a single sentence of coverage found at [[19]]. Let'srun (talk) 01:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added a bit. The Encyclopedia of Indianapolis is borderline SIGCOV with a full paragraph on the topic. Cbl62 (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to DePauw football, 1884–1889. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A closer can't redirect to a non-existent target. Cbl62 (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DePauw football, 1884–1889 has been created. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced that the target meets GNG or NSEASONS, but if others find the sourcing to be acceptable I suppose a redirect would suffice. Let'srun (talk) 21:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If need be, the scope could be expanded to cover the 1890s as well. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1884 Wabash football team

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No indication this team, which only played a single game, meets the WP:NSEASONS or WP:GNG. The only source in the article gives this team merely a brief mention, and a cursory search didn't come up with anything better. Let'srun (talk) 01:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The article was created as a sub-stub almost 10 years ago with a single sentence -- "The 1884 Wabash Little Giants football team represented Wabash College during the 1884 college football season." The only addition since then has been a notation that the "Little Giants" nickname wasn't adopted until 20 years ago. Nothing of encyclopedic value is lost by deleting this. Cbl62 (talk) 03:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per the article having been a WP:STUB for 9 years, and only having one citation. Mjks28 (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. These are not reasons for deletion. For that reason, the person closing the discussion will unfortunately not take your stated opinion into regard, so please feel free to revise - and please read WP:DISCUSSAFD first. Geschichte (talk) 07:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think only having one citation qualifies as a reason, no? Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the single citation had sufficient depth, it might be OK, but the source presented here lacks the needed depth. Cbl62 (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - All material is included in the Wabash College article. Leaving a redirect would be a painless courtesy. Carrite (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The actual and valid reasons for deletion here are set forth in the nom: The article lacks anything remotely resembling WP:SIGCOV and thus plainly fails both WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. As for redirecting, that would undermine the utility of red link in our comprehensive system of team templates. E.g., Template:Wabash Little Giants football navbox. A redlink tells us that a season article does not exist. We could theoretically fill in all of those redlinks with redirects, but then the utility of the templates is massively undercut and we end up with team templates that are a useless loop redirecting to the main team article. (A minor program like Wabash (Division III!) has very few notable seasons, and the blue links in the template allow the viewer to zero in on those seasons.) Please do not redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Wabash football, 1884–1889. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A merge can't be closed to a target which doesn't currently exist. Also, would that target meet the notability guidelines (GNG and NSEASONS)? Let'srun (talk) 21:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let'srun, my assumption is that yes, that target would meet notability guidelines. It would be more productive for you to examine such possibilities before creating an AfD like this. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my assumption is that yes, that target would meet notability guidelines We would need more than an assumption. Can you provide a couple sources? Cbl62 (talk) 21:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cbl62, you how to answer this question for yourself. See: 1889 Indiana Hoosiers football team. There's lots of other stuff on Newspapers.com. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless someone wants to take the time to create a well-sourced redirect target, redirect is not an available or permissible option here. For that reason, I remain in the "delete" camp. Cbl62 (talk) 22:39, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need an existing target article, not a hypothetical one that could be created in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wabash football, 1884–1889 has been created. More coverage can be found, but search at Newspapers.com via Wikipedia Library is currently down. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL Network Exclusive Game Series results (2006–present)

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This is a failure of WP:SALAT as these games aren't covered as a group elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 20:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, it is a split of the very long List of Thursday Night Football results (2006–present). Esolo5002 (talk) 00:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The network a football game is on outside of its production, scorebug and announcers/analysts is not a defining characteristic, and these are all standard regular season games. Nate • (chatter) 23:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NCAA Division III independents football records

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Topic is not notable enough for a standalone article, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This is a list of records for loosely-related college football team seasons. These teams are "independent" and do not belong to conferences, only joined together because they are in a division of college football together. The text in many of these templates also show up as wikitext because of improper code writing. This list was also created as a way to try avoiding deletion of the individual templates at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 13#Template:2023 NCAA Division III independents football records. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing is here connecting these records together; fails WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 12:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Member of an already established set of pages. (List of Division I FBS independents football standings (1973–present), List of NCAA Division II independents football records) Unless you plan on also nominating both of those for deletion to remain consistent. But I reckon that is not the plan since this is the only one hindering the deletion of the Division III independent templates. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 17:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:AGF. Let'srun (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thetreesarespeakingtome. At the very least, this article could be merged to NCAA Division III independent schools. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Wikipedia is not a stats sheet. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1931)

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Articles for deletion/Ernie Smith (Negro leagues)

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Repeating my reasoning from 2021, but WP:NBASE now no longer exists:

Not notable. I cannot locate stats or a roster spot for this person on seamheads.com or cnlbr.org or baseball-reference.com. (B-R "Bullpen" [an open wiki] has an article created at the same time and same person that created this article.) The given source is an obit [20] that vaguely refers to playing on a Negro league team at some time. The given team ceased play in 1951 when the subject was 20, but as I stated, I cannot find any other source backing this up. (This palyer should not be confused with Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1908), also a Negro leaguer.) -- BX (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article's one source (an obituary of the kind likely provided by the family to a local paper) claims he played for the Baltimore Elite Giants. A separate article in the Bristol Herald-Courier on his receipt of an award puts dates on it: "After he graduated from high school in 1949, he played baseball with the Bishop Stateliners, the Amonata Slugger and the West Virginia All-Stars from 1949 to 1951. Then he played for the Baltimore Elite Giants of the Negro National League until he joined the U.S. Marine Corps in 1953, where he also played shortstop for the 2nd Marine Division baseball team." However, this is not a possible sequence, since the Baltimore Elite Giants disbanded in 1950. So that casts doubt on the reliability of the source (and thus on the obituary) right there. I'm not finding any other sources that confer notability under WP:NSPORTS (either as a player or a coach), WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New White Sox Stadium

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This is a good example of WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. This is one proposal, but it is so early in the process that this article is not warranted. Angryapathy (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep They are still in negotiations with the state of Illinois on the proposal along with the new Chicago Bears stadium. That's why they are categorized under Category:Proposed stadiums in the United States. If nothing becomes of this proposal, then the category on the page changes to Category:Unbuilt stadiums in the United States. That's the whole purpose of these categories... Roberto221 (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existence of a category doesn't mean any subject that falls under that category gets its own Wikipedia page. WP:N is paramount, not categories. Angryapathy (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Draftify per nom. The proposal has not yet been approved for a stadium that may or may not be built. Clearly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Frank Anchor 19:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~(Duplicate vote struck) If you delete this, then what do you do with the other proposed stadiums/arenas?: [21], [22]

As I stated before, then it gets moved to [23] and in the case of arenas, [24] Roberto221 (talk) 08:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC) 22:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pointing out other articles is not a valid argument in AFDs. Each article must stand or fall on its own merits. Frank Anchor 22:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What makes this article different than all the other articles on the Category:Proposed_stadiums_in_the_United_States page? Don't give me the excuse that it's WP:TOOSOON since they all follow the same criteria. If you can see/read all the other articles, they are not different other than their proposed locations. And I'll use the other articles to make a point and show the inconsistencies in this logic...Roberto221 (talk) 08:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those probably could be draftified or deleted as well (each would need examined individually), but the sole topic of this discussion is the White Sox proposed stadium. Frank Anchor 11:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to History of the Chicago White Sox#2024 season: Worst start in franchise history as an alternative to deletion, since this topic doesn't (yet) appear to transcend the limitations of WP:NOTNEWS to merit its own article. Left guide (talk) 06:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure the 2024 season is an appropriate target. The stadium won’t open in 2024, and I see it highly unlikely construction would even begin this year. Frank Anchor 11:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – As WP:ATD. I'm also not opposed to deleting Svartner (talk) 06:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This needs to be merged somewhere. It will undoubtedly be a large, fully documented piece shortly, as more coverage inevitably appears. Carrite (talk) 05:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the exact purpose of draft space. Frank Anchor 10:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Discuss) – Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews (Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. -- BX (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basketball

Saint Joseph's–Temple rivalry

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This article is largely unsourced original research. I found some articles about rivalries within the Philadelphia Big 5, but nothing about these two schools specifically. Any content about this rivalry specifically should probably be added to Philadelphia Big 5 instead. This was dePRODed without any sourcing changes. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Coverage exists at [[25]] and [[26]]. At the very least, this should probably be merged with Philadelphia Big 5 rather than outright deleted. Let'srun (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[1] is about the coaches of the two teams. [2] is more about the Philadelphia Big 5. I think that it's a stretch to say that there's coverage from either of these two sources. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, I am comfortable with merging with Philadelphia Big 5. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG: The only potentially reliable source, the Herald sun article, does not mention his name. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no significant independent coverage. Astaire (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails GNG. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Changing to weak keep per the sources below. A couple of major Australian news outlets wrote articles on Wugol, which is good enough for me. I still think the article needs those references incorporated as in-line citations, not as a vague external link dump. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete

I found over 5 reliable sources and news article about Manyiel Wugol which shows he’s a well known basketball in Australia . See below

https://pickandroll.com.au/p/bigger-than-basketball-manyiel-wugols

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8102113/sudanese-refugee-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/unstoppable-african-australian-athletes-smashing-through-the-barriers/97b7l6fjq

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/sudanese-refugee-manyiel-wugol-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia-after-death-of-close-friend-alier-riak-c-9888802 SportsFanatic220 (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wayne McDonald (businessman)

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No substantial independent coverage of this businessman/bodybuilder. Writing a long undergrad thesis is not a claim of importance. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete what a vanity article. Full of primary sources. Only 1 article links to this List of Australian businesspeople. LibStar (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Article's sources are mostly primary, and reads pretty biased. Also doesn't appear to be notable enough, anyway. The fact that the leading sentence includes an external link to their website screams advertisement. —Mjks28 (talk) 11:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Florrie Copley

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Non-notable cricketer, who fails WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG. Article is just full of WP:REFBOMBS, with none of them contributing towards significant coverage about the player. That's what you can find at a simple search- [27] Robo^Cric Let's chat 10:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm no expert, but Jersey is an associate member country so it seems she meets the following criteria from WP:OFFICIALCRICKET:

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Twenty20 Internationals (T20Is), all men's matches from 2005–2019 and all women's matches since 2004–June 2018. Then all T20Is for Full Member countries and T20Is for Associate member countries in a World T20 (men's and women's) or ICC Global Qualifier (men's and women's).

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@Curb Safe Charmer: Firstly, the mentioned player hasn't yet played in a global T20 WC qualifier. Secondly, WP:OFFCRIC just states that players participating in these matches may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof. According to WP:NCRIC, as she has not played for a Test-playing nation, this criterion also fails. And the only other way is GNG, which is also not satisfied. Robo^Cric Let's chat 10:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so 2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier isn't a global T20 WC qualifier? My mistake. I will leave this one to the experts! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The qualifier mentioned is the European stage of the qualifying process for the global World Cup. Shrug02 (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Curb Safe Charmer Forgot to tag in my reply. Still new to this! Apologies. Shrug02 (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Curb Safe Charmer 2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier- This is what global qualifier means. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 12:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoboCric so you're conceding she has played in a global qualifier now? Shrug02 (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrug02 No, she has played in 2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier not the global qualifier. You first need to understand how a World Cup qualification works. Anyway, Global qualifier is not an issue here. He still fails WP:GNG and point1#WP:NCRIC. Robo^Cric Let's chat 14:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoboCric He? The subject is a woman. Glad to know you read it carefully Shrug02 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrug02 Are you raising doubts that I've not reviewed it properly. An English error on He/She cannot prove that I did not do a WP:BEFORE. In the previous sentence, I did use "She". And you know mistakes happen. Robo^Cric Let's chat 14:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~I really don't care any more. As I stated below I've db-author requested all my Jersey cricket articles be deleted. Have a good day and enjoy being a reviewer.~~ Shrug02 (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~All deleted now, except the couple that are subject to AFD, so you can be safe in the knowledge that yet more trivial stuff to do with small countries has been expunged @RoboCric~~ Shrug02 (talk) 14:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florrie Copley is notable as she is one of only 2 players to play in the inaugural women's inter-insular cup and Jersey's first women's T20 international (a match in which she top scored). She has played in a world cup qualifying tournament taking wickets in both matches she played in. This is all backed up by citations from the BBC and Jersey Evening Post among others. There is limited scoop for sources for Jersey and even more so for women's sport in Jersey. It is not like the USA or India where there are hundreds of media organisations. Florrie Copley is a notable figure for cricket and women's sport in general in Jersey and the wider Channel Islands. Shrug02 (talk) 11:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete @RoboCric I withdraw my objections. Articles about obscure cricket grounds in India that only have 2 citations and high school athletes in America are far more important and worthy of space on here. I have requested deletion of all my Jersey cricket articles including the ones about the world's youngest international cricketer and only player to score a WT20I 50 batting at number 8 and the one about a 17-year-old left arm spinner who just made his T20 debut and will be probably one of the leading associate wicket takers of all time by the time he retires. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrug02 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet the WP:GNG. I would support a redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers to preserve the history, but this does not seem to be the preferred outcome by others. JTtheOG (talk) 17:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers#Florrie Copley, where the content has now been added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested by @BeanieFan11 above. Shrug02 (talk)
Redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers#Florrie Copley: The current sources are match statistics or routine reports and do not lend the subject to warrant a standalone article. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Hignell

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Non-notable cricket writer. Article was previously deleted in 2007, but there is still no evidence of the subject's notability. – Pee Jay 11:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Previous AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Ledbetter. Suriname0 (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Based on a quick search, doesn't seem to meet WP:NAUTHOR. I found this review of one of his books. Suriname0 (talk) 14:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Suriname0 found a review of A 'Favourit' Game, reviewed by Jack Williams. I'll add to that a review of Rain stops play, reviewed by Robert Thorpe, doi:10.1256/wea.112.02. But I'm doubtful that [28] is sufficiently reliable, so that gives us only two reviews. I'd want more than that for WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. His books are reviewed in serious publications and he is generally considered the pre-eminent historian of Welsh cricket. Sammyrice (talk) 04:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Surprised to see this nom. Hignell is one of the best known and pre-eminent living cricket historians. Meets WP:GNG. AA (talk) 09:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Football

Khwezi Khoza

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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zenith Data Systems Challenge Trophy

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Non-notable individual pre-season friendly club match. Idiosincrático (talk) 03:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge – with 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 07:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It would help to add to the Arsenal season, however that would negate any redirect to Club Atlético Independiente the other team in it. Maybe adding a sponsorship section on Zenith Data Systems with a snippet there? I am still not sure of a redirect. But there are sources, a few on the article, one Guardian source in the external link. Maybe some other sources out there. It could be possible for some basic GNG pass here. Not sure know. Guess I am running at an abstain vote here. Govvy (talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Miroslav Kozák

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Miroslav Kozák, a Slovak men's footballer, last played football in 2009 before disappearing. References are terribly-formatted: secondary ones listed are routine football transfers (e.g. SME) and stories regarding his club appearances use database, the latter of which is obviously unacceptable per WP:BASIC. My Google searches showed nothing relevant besides silly, random namesakes. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nomination does not make sense to me. Formatting of references is irrelevant in an AFD. It's not disallowed or even discouraged to "use a database". WP:BASIC is not an issue here, and the sources currently numbered 7, 8, 9 and 10 are significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, See Geschichte's comment above. In addition, he definitely has offline sources, having had comprehensive pro career in early 2000s including a few seasons in the Slovak top flight, stints in theCzech top flight and Hungariuan top flight as well as Iranian pro leagues. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mamokgaase Senyatsi

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There is no WP:SIGCOV cited in the article and I found none in a search. WP:SPORTBASIC is very clear when stating that routine coverage in match reports is not enough for an article. I found Idiski Times and Thami Soccer which are just more examples of trivial coverage from match reports. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as notability tagger. I guess this is closer to fancruft than to a topic that gets significant in-depth coverage. Geschichte (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UJ Soweto Stadium

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Since notability is not inherited, neither the notability of a sports team nor of competitions played there imply the notability of a venue. With that being said, it fails WP:GNG and WP:NSTADIUM. If I knew how to multi-AfD, I would've included UJ Stadium. dxneo (talk) 03:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to University of Johannesburg#Athletics, sport, arts and culture. Giant Snowman 10:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thato Mofolo

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For some reasons, I cannot draftify this. Tagged with {{Notability}} and {{no significant coverage (sports)}} as it fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:ANYBIO. Yes, she scored a brace and so on, there's no WP:SIGCOV, and BLP is a very delicate subject which requires strong and adequate sourcing. dxneo (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find anything better than the sources already in the article, which fall way short of SIGCOV Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article currently lacks substantial coverage from independent sources to justify its presence on Wikipedia. Waqar💬 16:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Punay

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The two articles provided here as sources are not enough for WP:GNG and all remaining sources are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 CAFA U-14 Championship

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An article that lacks sufficient substantiated coverage. Not enough secondary sources. Not enough notability. Wikipedia is not a site for listing statistics. EpicAdventurer (talk) 17:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To Central Asian Football Association#Events timeline as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have included additional reliable sources to substantiate the article. The tournament holds significant notability, similar to other CAFA tournaments that have their own pages. Lunar Spectrum96 (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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i added additional reliable sources since EpicAdventurer delete nomination ? Lunar Spectrum96 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. I don't think an under-14s tournament merits a redirect. Giant Snowman 10:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jong Chol-min

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree, this article fails WP:GNG, This person is not notable enough and doesn't have enough coverage EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG, a recurring theme with this types of articles. Anwegmann (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jong Kum-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Švec (footballer)

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The article of this men's footballer has not received enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG.

The only secondary source I could find is SME's sub-website My Nitra. It mentions Marek Švec scoring a goal in one paragraph after translation: "The oldest and the youngest players scored a valuable draw. Anton Sloboda was everywhere, and we could see the 34-year-old fighter passing between the stoppers in the back, serving teammates in the middle and setting up a goal for the teenager Marek Švec in the front. The academy graduate scored his third goal, no one under the age of 18 in the top 30 European leagues has scored more in a season... Wow! The youngest debutant in the history of FC ViOn will celebrate adulthood only on New Year's Eve and has already made 22 league starts with five goals." The coverage of Švec is written in bold, but something tells me that the rest are more of a trivial mention.

If this article gets deleted, we should consider moving "Marek Švec (wrestler)" to just "Marek Švec".

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Keep appears to have made appearances in the top division of Slovakia which surely meets WP:NFOOTY BFC Aspie (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore, but that notwithstanding, I would add to those this one: [29] which contributes very well to GNG. Geschichte (talk) 09:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe the sources mentioned in this discussion go towards the notability criteria. I also found [30] which seems to be connected to the TASR and covers his loan to Spartak Myjava in a fairly deep manner. C 679 18:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Decent career, decent coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 10:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1985–86 Queens Park Rangers F.C. season

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. "Stats only" sources and a stats-only article with stats about a football club's 1985-1986 season. North8000 (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep crystal clearly notable as a season of a team in the first division, then the top flight of football in England. That season will have been covered pretty much every single day in the papers of the time. It just needs more sources. SportingFlyer T·C 17:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Usual coverage for an English league team, and has WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Top flight season in England, meets general notability guidelines BFC Aspie (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per above, clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes the article lacks sources on view, however that doesn't negate it in anyway, League Cup finalists this season! I really don't think think the nominator put too much thought into the nomination! Govvy (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated bad seasons articles before only to have them kept at AfD. The problem is that a poorly created sports season stub can still be notable. SportingFlyer T·C 09:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per anyone else above. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Is this a joke? Of course this is a keep. Top flight team in a major league in a major football country who made the final of a major cup. They might not be found so easily via a Google News search, but the English top flight certainly received enormous coverage in the media, and there is zero doubt QPR received a cut of it. Anwegmann (talk) 01:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Happy with whatever y'all decide on this, I was just working at properly doing my job, which is now done. Regarding the critiquing of my nomination, please note that nobody has said or shown anything to establish that it has the required GNG coverage. In this area, wp:notability is about having sources with in-depth coverage from which to build an article from. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's because this is such a flagrantly obvious keep. SportingFlyer T·C 05:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @North8000: It really shouldn't be that hard to establish something, there are sources to use, [31], [32], [33], you can use just about anything of worth from the internet. That took me what, five minutes to have a look for something GNG worthy. WP:BEFORE does apply to you also. Govvy (talk) 22:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Union Stadium

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The article has no non-dead sources and searches for "Union Stadium south africa" return real information (i.e. not maps or directions). The only search results on JSTOR are a university paper in Wisconsin and a local paper in Ohio, both of which are hardly reliable sources for a stadium in South Africa. For this reason, I feel the article does not meet general notability guidelines. WikipediaNMP (talk) 09:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I had a hard time figuring out what this was supposed to be, but references show that it has significant historic importance but has fallen victim to the times. Some examples: [34] [35] [36] [37] [38]. Geschichte (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Geschichte's sources which show GNG. (Sources found by nom are probably for a stadium in the USA.) SportingFlyer T·C 19:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per all above. Svartner (talk) 04:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arjun Tudu

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - @RangersRus:, @Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [39], [40], [41], [[42], [43], [44], [45], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

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ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TJ Rovinka

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This is a long-unsourced article of a football club that seems to have never played in the highest Slovak First Football League. I can't find any significant coverage of this club that meets WP:GNG. My Google searches, even with "site:.sk" next to the club's name, only come up with club's official website and match reports, the former of which is not independent. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia has been tagged for notability issues for years, which certainly may not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The team played on the third tier continuously from 2014 to 2022, and participated in the national cup. That's usually more than enough to merit inclusion. They might not be called "TJ Rovinka" in the coverage, probably just Rovinka. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia, where it can be added. That article is in need of an update/clean up anyway... Giant Snowman 18:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep A list of Sportnet articles show the club has been consistently covered in local press in spite of refusing a promotion recently: [46] SportingFlyer T·C 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia per above. This is an awful article with almost nothing behind it. Anwegmann (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article notability is based on the overall notability of the topic, not the state of the article. SportingFlyer T·C 09:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Ju-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I've found a coverage about this player on Choson Sinbo which is a complete introduction the player, and there's another article in Tokyo Sports praising his performance against Japan national team last March. I think it should pass the WP:SPORTCRIT with those references since it's very difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Lâm (talk) 10:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per coverage found by Thplam2004. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Thplam2004. Normally there are no sources for WP:V regarding North Korean players, this time it appears there is minimal. Svartner (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which appear to show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Yong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To Football at the 1998 Asian Games – Men's team squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. I want to vote keep, because 18 senior caps is substantial, but I think a redirect is a better option. Anwegmann (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Suman

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Fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – The player doesn't seem very famous outside of Australia, but he seems to have WP:SIGCOV in the country's sports media like the offline sources of The Press & Journal and Evening Express. Svartner (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep sufficient sources already present which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources indicate notability.Blethering Scot 19:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All newly added sources either fail YOUNGATH or are routine transfer stories. Dougal18 (talk) 08:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Appears to be an easy keep. The player doesn't need to be world famous to be notable. Anwegmann (talk) 01:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Červeňák

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With only one match in lower league as well as database sources listed, this article of a men's footballer obviously fails WP:GNG. The closest thing to significant coverage is SME where he debuted for Senica. My other searches only came up with match reports and passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It looks to be 6 matches in the highest domestic league, not 1 in a lower league, but still that's not really a career, and the lack of sources corresponds to that reality. Geschichte (talk) 15:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – seems to have played in six matches not just one, but I was unable to find any significant coverage of this guy. C 679 12:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk)

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World Unity Football Alliance

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An "international football" organization article that is a WP:HOAX in its current form. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No comment on GNG, but this is very clearly not a hoax. SportingFlyer T·C 19:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As but one example: there is a "Karen" team listed under Asia, but it is a local group in Minnesota. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You are likely unaware that the Karen are an ethnic group from Myanmar who have a diaspora in Minneapolis. SportingFlyer T·C 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The Karen Football Association, which you can find can find plenty of details about through internet searches are a Karen diaspora group based in Minneapolis. Sherms95 (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The Kashmir team is a local club in Bradford. The organization (and the article) pretense to be "national teams for sub-national entities", but it isn't; it's a few random local clubs with ethnic ties that signed up for a press release with this group. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – It may not be HOAX, but it didn't even organize any competition to be relevant. Svartner (talk) 13:27, 12 June 2024

That's not true - the BBC even lists Chagos as the winner of one of their competitions: [47] SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Most of the coverage isn't independent, but there's some coverage, including from Bradford, [48], BBC mentions, the Non-League Football Paper, and the nomination was based on a mis-understanding. SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They basically do not organize any relevant competitions, a single mention does not prevent failure in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep per above. This is clearly not a hoax, and SportingFlyer makes a good point. It's weak, admittedly, but it's a keep for me right now. Anwegmann (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The article is a hoax, because it conflates "national team" with "expat team", and relies on puffery from primary sources to the degree that it makes claims that are demonstrably false. Some actual organization may exist; but it is entirely "we let people put out press releases that pretense to importance which we do not have". Walsh90210 (talk) 02:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  No, a hoax is generally something that's completely fictional, whereas this is an actual organisation similar to ConIFA. SportingFlyer T·C 09:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanto national football team

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This isn't a "national football team". In an attempt to propose a move target, I determined that it should be deleted rather than renamed.

For the first match: some attendees at the 99º Universal Esperanto Congress had a friendly game of football during the event. [49]

The rest appears to be cosplay. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it does seem to pass GNG... SportingFlyer T·C 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Not a nation. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I created it as Esperanto football team since it is not a country but someone decided to move it to Esperanto national football team, I found [50], [51], [52],[53], [54], [55], [56], among many more sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources don't support that it is a "national football team" or a "football team" in any organized sense. It is a few one-off matches held by amateurs at various Universal Esperanto Congress events, and a few big-talkers making claims about pursuing non-FIFA recognition that are, in a word, bullshit. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true... it literally played in two non-FIFA organization tournaments (COSANFF Cup and Zamenhof Cup) among other games against teams in non-FIFA organizations (Mapuche etc), and on top of that it does meet WP:GNG by any means. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in a non-FIFA tournament is not the claim to fame you think it is... Giant Snowman 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passing GNG is the claim to notability we think it is, and I don't know how you could argue against the articles here which were published in clearly reliable sources. SportingFlyer T·C 09:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Thanls, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to World Esperanto Congress or Universal Esperanto Association. The subject is notable given the multiple reliable sources talking about it, but there's not much long-term coverage and not an enormous amount that needs to be said about it, so it fits better in context with other things the same people have been doing. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third option could be Esperanto, maybe in the Culture section Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also like to say that if it does not get merged or deleted, it should be moved to "Esperanto (football team)". I would move it, but this is during an AFD. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The sources in the article show that this clearly meets the GNG. I think it should be moved to "Esperanto football team" – some sources call it a national team, but one of those also then goes on to say "Es un equipo que no juega por una Nación o por un club". Common sense says it's not a national team. Toadspike [Talk] 19:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposed to a selective merge to World Esperanto Congress as suggested by Mrfoogles. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Very weak keep only if the name is changed to "...football team" rather than "...national football team—It feels absurd to vote in favor of something this fluid, semi-official, and undefinable. We can't even figure out what to call it, much less exactly what it is. This is clearly not a national team, because Esperanto is a language, not a nation. It's also not a sub-nationality, ethnic identity, tribal affiliation, or diasporic community. I want to vote "Delete" so badly, but the sources are there to establish WP:SIGCOV, unfortunately. That said, this is a ridiculous article on a ridiculous subject that shouldn't really exist. But standards are standards, and this article meets those standards. Anwegmann (talk) 01:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this article has been shown to meet GNG which no editor has refuted so should be kept. As it stands, there are one delete vote, one merge vote, and four keep votes. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nigel Douglas

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Doesn't appear to pass WP:GNG. References are mostly worthless, and the highest level of rugby he played at appears to be Scottish National League Division One. Uhooep (talk) 23:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Insufficient notability. Most of the references are tenuous or not even relevant at best. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, looking at the history/page creator its arguably Wikipedia:Autobiography. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He is mentioned in some newspaper coverage of a tech company that he was chief executive of, when it was looking for and then secured some substantial investment. The Scotland on Sunday article had his name in the article title and described him as a serial entrepreneur, but I couldn't find much other coverage of him beyond the articles related to his role at GSI. Other links relate to participation in sports, or family members. I don't see that notability has been established here. Drchriswilliams (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "Nigel played sport at a high level. He is a black belt at judo". Vanity page. doesn't meet sports bio notability and WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round

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Having checked through per WP:BEFORE, significant coverages (WP:SIGCOV) are rather poor for most 2nd and below tier formula classes given the reason for this nominations. Sources consists of almost entirely of WP:PRIMARY. Additionally, Wikipedia is not a sportsheet for the most ardent of fans (WP:NOTSTATS), whom anything less than first tier formula classes appeals to. WP:AFD will be a redirect or merge to 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship (edit) and 2024 FIA Formula 2 Championship.

I am also nominating the following related pages for this same reason with more to be added in:

Further additions for this same reason above):

SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Formula One is the top tier of the sport and one of the (if not the single) most prestigious category in motorsport as a whole. The F1 equivalent pages to the ones included in this nomination, using this article as an example, contain little more additional information. Reading WP:NOTSTATS, the only thing these pages are missing is a little more summarised information. The nominated pages display the information in clear, concise tables and they provide information that is not available in the main season articles (2024 Formula 2 Championship and 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship) and add context to the relevant motorsport championship.

Romero13 (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Fandom is always there for fans like you. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep all - It's standard practice to routinely split out individual races from their parent (season) article. This keeps the parent article (in this case 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship) readable. Your suggestion to merge, while also being a full admittance that there is notable content here, would cause the parent article to be far too cluttered. WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE once again apply here. ~~"...whom anything less than first tier formula classes appeals to." That is your personal opinion and one which quite obviously has a lot of disagreement.~~ ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, suggesting 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship as an ATD for the F2 races you bundled in is pure nonsense. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What about WP:NOTSTATS? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. (e.g., statistics from the main article 2012 United States presidential election were moved to a related article Nationwide opinion polling for the 2012 United States presidential election)." This language seems to support the splitting of these individual races. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 07:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I wouldn't have minded them to exist if reliable third party sources exists to back them up, but no, we get sources consisting of mainly WP:PRIMARY or nothing and do we need an WP:INDISCRIMINATE amount of sports results to clutter Wikipedia with, especially those the most ardent minority of nerds bother with. There's always a home for them in Fandom. Nothing wrong with that site, though. People should think before shoving junk into Wikipedia. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Australian Grand Prix F3 Support Race

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Following up on Talk:Australian Grand Prix#Merge proposal, there is support for deletion on the grounds of notability, with no suitable merge target as an alternative to deletion. The results are unreferenced; the single reference is not independent of the topic. Klbrain (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Agreed, no independent notability. Any content worth preserving (I don't think there is any) could be merged to Australian Formula 3. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 17:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete minor support event that hasn't being run for 17 years BFC Aspie (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom, 5225C. Other than Macau GP, most individual 2nd tier or below races are not notable, especially those sanctioned by the FIA. Most people but the most ardent fans don't pay attention to it too and don't remember who wom either, including Macau. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Milos Calic

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Serbian rugby league footballer, to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this interview. JTtheOG (talk) 21:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcos Flegmann

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. My searches yielded many passing mentions and non-independent coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 07:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hugo Horn

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Article only has a profile citation and nothing else could be found in Google. Shinadamina (talk) 05:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Single citation, fails notability. Mn1548 (talk) 09:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judah Lavulo

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I am unable to find enough significant coverage of this subject, an American rugby league footballer, to meet WP:GNG. My searches yielded a few trivial mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 01:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Minimal sources and career doesn't appear notable. Mn1548 (talk) 07:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Given the lack of in-depth, reliable sources, it's difficult to establish the player's notability for an encyclopedia entry. Waqar💬 17:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Kneisly

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [57][58][59][60]. Mn1548 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Hifo

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of this rugby league footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. JTtheOG (talk) 06:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Insufficient coverage, doesn't appear to be a notable player regardless. Mn1548 (talk) 07:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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White Plains Wombats

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Redirect to USA Rugby League as I am unable to find enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. My searches only yielded passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nominator's reasons. Mn1548 (talk) 07:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corey Makelim

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. There are a couple of interviews available (1, 2), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC) A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads. JTtheOG (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided Given his career their should be more sources available. Current level of sourcing is borderline for notatability in my opinion, but more closer to delete than keep. Mn1548 (talk)

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CJ Cortalano

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was coverage of his high school wrestling days. JTtheOG (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Pro footballer who played at the 2017 RLWC. Fleets (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you know, participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. Biographies of living persons require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Only one appearance for a minor RL country, minimal sourcing, nothing on his club carer.Mn1548 (talk) 08:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Midlands Junior League

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 19:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Update after 1 week: Non notable junior competition - ~~Delete~~. Mn1548 (talk) 16:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Midlands Rugby League Premier Division, as was done for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midlands Rugby League Division One. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Walsh90210, that is not an appropriate target article as it is a Redirect. It should be appearing with a green font color. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That page was merged to Midlands Rugby League a few hours after my comment; presumably that would be the merge target now. That is, "selective" merge; other than that the league exists (and some senior teams have junior teams in the league) there is no content to merge. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Molloy

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. All I found were transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and a routine injury update (1). There seem to be multiple redirect candidates (List of Wakefield Trinity players, List of Salford Red Devils players). JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep Some non-routine coverage here. I'm a bit surprised I couldn't find more for someone who made nearly 50 Super League appearances. Perhaps someone can add more using offline sources, as a lot of websites unfortunately haven't kept archives during the time period he played in. J Mo 101 (talk) 09:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sufficiently soured in my opinion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There seem to be a few articles with more than trivial mention. Given the time period, I also suspect there may be additional sources out there that are not reflected by internet sources. At least weak support for keeping. – notwally (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Baffled at the assertions of SIGCOV here. The source linked above is 229 words, of which all but ~5 sentences are direct quotes. The remainder include a couple sentences summarizing what he says in a quote (not independent analysis) and/or relating "what he feels" (ditto), e.g. But after a lengthy time rehabilitating, Molloy is now over the worst of it. and The young forward is hoping to push on and make a big impression with the Giants. With last season almost being forgotten about, Molloy now can set out some targets to work towards – and again it may also involve going out on loan., both of which are immediately followed by more detailed quotes from him. Essentially the only secondary independent coverage is a single sentence mentioning he missed a season due to injury. Nowhere near IRS SIGCOV. This is also a British player from the 2010s, well into the internet news era in a country with highly accessible digital media, so I am very skeptical of claims that coverage exists offline somewhere. JoelleJay (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Wakefield Trinity players: Thorough source analysis by JoelleJay removes the basis for standalone notability. Owen× ☎ 12:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong sources to support the importance of that person. Normanhunter2 (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Normanhunter2, which material do you believe is non-routine SIGCOV in IRS sources? JoelleJay (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My stance on the potential deletion of this article is that it should be retained, primarily due to the credibility of the 9 sources supporting it. These sources, I believe, are robust enough to establish the article's notability.

Some users here may have stronger opinions based on the WP:SIGCOV of this article, but I see potential for improvement. A 'weak keep' is possible for me because this is a notable topic, and there are likely more substantial sources waiting to be added to enhance the article. Normanhunter2 (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Wakefield Trinity players. Lack of SIGCOV per JoelleJay’s source analysis. This is the better of the two proposed redirect targets as the subject played most of his career with this club. Frank Anchor 18:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby union

Marcos Flegmann

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. My searches yielded many passing mentions and non-independent coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 07:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andries Mahoney

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Devon Martinus

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ederies Arendse

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find enough independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this. JTtheOG (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nigel Douglas

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Doesn't appear to pass WP:GNG. References are mostly worthless, and the highest level of rugby he played at appears to be Scottish National League Division One. Uhooep (talk) 23:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Insufficient notability. Most of the references are tenuous or not even relevant at best. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, looking at the history/page creator its arguably Wikipedia:Autobiography. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He is mentioned in some newspaper coverage of a tech company that he was chief executive of, when it was looking for and then secured some substantial investment. The Scotland on Sunday article had his name in the article title and described him as a serial entrepreneur, but I couldn't find much other coverage of him beyond the articles related to his role at GSI. Other links relate to participation in sports, or family members. I don't see that notability has been established here. Drchriswilliams (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "Nigel played sport at a high level. He is a black belt at judo". Vanity page. doesn't meet sports bio notability and WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

André Manuel (rugby union)

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. The closest I found to WP:SIGCOV was probably this. JTtheOG (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miguel Ángel Sierra

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Olympian who did not medal. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. Lugstub. XabqEfdg (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Other articles on non-notable Olympians have been moved to a special draft category where they won't be deleted after six months. That would seem appropriate here. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I added a full-length biographical profile as reference, so WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 is now fulfilled, which was the main concern of the nominator. Given the depth of this profile, it is likely a lot of coverage can be found in the sources (likely offline) of the years when he was active. @XabqEfdg: did you perform a WP:BEFORE? Broc (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. All I got were database results and unrelated or unreliable results. I didn't find that article which certainly counts toward GNG. Thank you for finding it. XabqEfdg (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sportspeople

Khwezi Khoza

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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milos Calic

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Serbian rugby league footballer, to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this interview. JTtheOG (talk) 21:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Mehelich

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5. I created this stub in July 2020, when playing in the NFL created a presumption of notability. (Mehelich appeared in eight games as a guard for the Red Jackets in 1929.) Under current guidelines, there is no longer a presumption. I have searched extensively for WP:SIGCOV and came up empty. Cbl62 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Could be redirected to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season, then, but for some reason he is not mentioned there. Adding him could bolster the squad list in the article, which needs references, players' age during the 1929 season, and matches played during that season. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to the redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 02:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He played in eight games (starting half). The team only played 10 games that year. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in the NFL (especially in the 1920s) is no longer a basis for notability. I've searched extensively for SIGCOV and came up empty. Cbl62 (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG at this time. A redirect makes sense as a WP:ATD. I've gone ahead and listed Mehelich on the roster there. Let'srun (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Kozák

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Miroslav Kozák, a Slovak men's footballer, last played football in 2009 before disappearing. References are terribly-formatted: secondary ones listed are routine football transfers (e.g. SME) and stories regarding his club appearances use database, the latter of which is obviously unacceptable per WP:BASIC. My Google searches showed nothing relevant besides silly, random namesakes. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nomination does not make sense to me. Formatting of references is irrelevant in an AFD. It's not disallowed or even discouraged to "use a database". WP:BASIC is not an issue here, and the sources currently numbered 7, 8, 9 and 10 are significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, See Geschichte's comment above. In addition, he definitely has offline sources, having had comprehensive pro career in early 2000s including a few seasons in the Slovak top flight, stints in theCzech top flight and Hungariuan top flight as well as Iranian pro leagues. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mamokgaase Senyatsi

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There is no WP:SIGCOV cited in the article and I found none in a search. WP:SPORTBASIC is very clear when stating that routine coverage in match reports is not enough for an article. I found Idiski Times and Thami Soccer which are just more examples of trivial coverage from match reports. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as notability tagger. I guess this is closer to fancruft than to a topic that gets significant in-depth coverage. Geschichte (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos Flegmann

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. My searches yielded many passing mentions and non-independent coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 07:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andries Mahoney

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Devon Martinus

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thato Mofolo

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For some reasons, I cannot draftify this. Tagged with {{Notability}} and {{no significant coverage (sports)}} as it fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:ANYBIO. Yes, she scored a brace and so on, there's no WP:SIGCOV, and BLP is a very delicate subject which requires strong and adequate sourcing. dxneo (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find anything better than the sources already in the article, which fall way short of SIGCOV Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article currently lacks substantial coverage from independent sources to justify its presence on Wikipedia. Waqar💬 16:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ederies Arendse

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find enough independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this. JTtheOG (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Quast

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Article unconditionally and utterly fails WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Article has been tagged for 18 months due to this deficiency and still no SIGCOV. Preferred result is redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1923 but my efforts to do that have twice been reverted (in 2022 by User:BeanieFan11 and in 2024 by User:Let'srun). Cbl62 (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1923: My revert was due to the previous request for a discussion regarding notability of the subject, which had not yet occurred. A search of multiple newspaper archives failed to uncover any WP:SIGCOV for the subject, however, and as such WP:GNG is not met. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the list mentioned, player isn't notable by himself BFC Aspie (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's a case for keeping here. There's lots of mentions and some articles on him which could arguably be SIGCOV, such as this piece from The Courier-Journal which is a decent-sized piece focusing on him and one other; there's also an article on "Quast Is Added To Grid Staff At U. of L." ("He was one of the best punters ever produced by a local school and his kicking won immediate attention at Purdue") and a brief piece with a photo [61] ("his ability to snag forward passes has gained him recognition") – his one-game stay with the Brecks also has coverage: "Quast, Ex-Purdue Star Is To Play With Brecks In Tomorrow's Contest" / [62]. His death also received coverage in the area papers, such as [63] ("Quast ... starred at Purdue and he became an outstanding football official"). Thoughts @Cbl62, Let'srun, and BFC Aspie:? – I can turn this into something pretty decent if you like. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that of those sources, the best one is the 1926 one talking about him joining the Louisville coaching staff. The other ones are either mentions or focus more on other people, while I'm not sure how to rate the obit. I do think this is a close call with those sources though, so maybe draftify (or userfy) to try and find more sources? I'm also wondering now if there are any books which may have covered him? Let'srun (talk) 19:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is willing to work on adding the sources and improving the article, I'd support draftification. Cbl62 (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I were to expand the article with the sources found, would both of you consider that sufficient? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support draftifying at this time, but I think we'd need one more piece of significant coverage to have the GNG (or BASIC) be met. Will take another look later though as it is a close case of notability. Let'srun (talk) 00:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Draftification seems like the best way forward if someone is willing to work on it. Cbl62 (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that more sigcov is needed or that it would be sufficient if it were expanded? I can absolutely expand it whenever necessary – but I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time on something that will be deleted if further coverage isn't found. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably enough to get by the lower bar of WP:SPORTBASIC #5, but not sure if it's enough under WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 20:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62: I guess, my question is, would you support it being in mainspace if I were to substantially expand it? It takes time for me to do these things and I want to make sure that, if I did expand it, I wouldn't be wasting my time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought this through and I'm not convinced that the proffered sources satisfy GNG. The whole basis for his claim to notablity is that he played one game for the Louisville Brecks in 1923. Only two of the sources touch briefly on his pro "career", namely this one, and both simply announce that Quast signed with the Brecks -- with no depth whatsoever. And the obit in the Courier Journal (here) doesn't even mention his one-game NFL "career" -- if his one game with the Brecks wasn't even significant enough to merit even a brief mention in his obituary, how in the world can we then claim that it is notable enough to be the basis of an encyclopedia article?? Cbl62 (talk) 05:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Kane (American football)

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Article unconditionally and utterly fails WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Article has been tagged for 18 months due to this deficiency and still no SIGCOV. Preferred result is redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921 but my efforts to do that have twice been reverted (in 2022 by User:BeanieFan11 and in 2024 by User:Let'srun). Cbl62 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921: My revert was due to the previous request for a discussion to determine notability, which hadn't yet occurred. However, a search of multiple newspaper archives failed to uncover the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Spent four years at Fordham and played professionally in 1919 as well as 1921. That "George Kane Fordham" in NY / OH doesn't seem to bring up anything has me thinking that he might have been known under another name. It seems Fordham in 1912 had two Kanes, H. Kane and V. Kane. Wonder whether one of those is our Kane under a different name... BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yevhen Kholoniuk

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. NSKATE is wrong and should never have been adopted. So many articles about champion skaters are being deleted. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Qingyun

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Veronika Kropotina

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex Punay

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The two articles provided here as sources are not enough for WP:GNG and all remaining sources are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Horn

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Article only has a profile citation and nothing else could be found in Google. Shinadamina (talk) 05:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Single citation, fails notability. Mn1548 (talk) 09:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Douglas

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Doesn't appear to pass WP:GNG. References are mostly worthless, and the highest level of rugby he played at appears to be Scottish National League Division One. Uhooep (talk) 23:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Insufficient notability. Most of the references are tenuous or not even relevant at best. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, looking at the history/page creator its arguably Wikipedia:Autobiography. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He is mentioned in some newspaper coverage of a tech company that he was chief executive of, when it was looking for and then secured some substantial investment. The Scotland on Sunday article had his name in the article title and described him as a serial entrepreneur, but I couldn't find much other coverage of him beyond the articles related to his role at GSI. Other links relate to participation in sports, or family members. I don't see that notability has been established here. Drchriswilliams (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "Nigel played sport at a high level. He is a black belt at judo". Vanity page. doesn't meet sports bio notability and WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jong Chol-min

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree, this article fails WP:GNG, This person is not notable enough and doesn't have enough coverage EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG, a recurring theme with this types of articles. Anwegmann (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jong Kum-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Paul Schwinghammer

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Not a notable person. No substantial coverage of fishing; no ability to tell if any of the other "Paul Schwinghammer" search results are about the same person; no credible claim that any of his fishing tournament results are important. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is not a notable individual, semi-pro angler. No coverage in any sources, reliable or not. What's given now in the article is simple names in a list. The name is rather common and you'll find anything and everything about this person. Not seeing notability as being met. Oaktree b (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Kablammo (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Švec (footballer)

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The article of this men's footballer has not received enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG.

The only secondary source I could find is SME's sub-website My Nitra. It mentions Marek Švec scoring a goal in one paragraph after translation: "The oldest and the youngest players scored a valuable draw. Anton Sloboda was everywhere, and we could see the 34-year-old fighter passing between the stoppers in the back, serving teammates in the middle and setting up a goal for the teenager Marek Švec in the front. The academy graduate scored his third goal, no one under the age of 18 in the top 30 European leagues has scored more in a season... Wow! The youngest debutant in the history of FC ViOn will celebrate adulthood only on New Year's Eve and has already made 22 league starts with five goals." The coverage of Švec is written in bold, but something tells me that the rest are more of a trivial mention.

If this article gets deleted, we should consider moving "Marek Švec (wrestler)" to just "Marek Švec".

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Keep appears to have made appearances in the top division of Slovakia which surely meets WP:NFOOTY BFC Aspie (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore, but that notwithstanding, I would add to those this one: [64] which contributes very well to GNG. Geschichte (talk) 09:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe the sources mentioned in this discussion go towards the notability criteria. I also found [65] which seems to be connected to the TASR and covers his loan to Spartak Myjava in a fairly deep manner. C 679 18:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Decent career, decent coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 10:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florrie Copley

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Non-notable cricketer, who fails WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG. Article is just full of WP:REFBOMBS, with none of them contributing towards significant coverage about the player. That's what you can find at a simple search- [66] Robo^Cric Let's chat 10:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm no expert, but Jersey is an associate member country so it seems she meets the following criteria from WP:OFFICIALCRICKET:

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Twenty20 Internationals (T20Is), all men's matches from 2005–2019 and all women's matches since 2004–June 2018. Then all T20Is for Full Member countries and T20Is for Associate member countries in a World T20 (men's and women's) or ICC Global Qualifier (men's and women's).

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@Curb Safe Charmer: Firstly, the mentioned player hasn't yet played in a global T20 WC qualifier. Secondly, WP:OFFCRIC just states that players participating in these matches may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof. According to WP:NCRIC, as she has not played for a Test-playing nation, this criterion also fails. And the only other way is GNG, which is also not satisfied. Robo^Cric Let's chat 10:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so 2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier isn't a global T20 WC qualifier? My mistake. I will leave this one to the experts! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The qualifier mentioned is the European stage of the qualifying process for the global World Cup. Shrug02 (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Curb Safe Charmer Forgot to tag in my reply. Still new to this! Apologies. Shrug02 (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Curb Safe Charmer 2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier- This is what global qualifier means. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 12:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoboCric so you're conceding she has played in a global qualifier now? Shrug02 (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrug02 No, she has played in 2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier not the global qualifier. You first need to understand how a World Cup qualification works. Anyway, Global qualifier is not an issue here. He still fails WP:GNG and point1#WP:NCRIC. Robo^Cric Let's chat 14:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoboCric He? The subject is a woman. Glad to know you read it carefully Shrug02 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrug02 Are you raising doubts that I've not reviewed it properly. An English error on He/She cannot prove that I did not do a WP:BEFORE. In the previous sentence, I did use "She". And you know mistakes happen. Robo^Cric Let's chat 14:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~I really don't care any more. As I stated below I've db-author requested all my Jersey cricket articles be deleted. Have a good day and enjoy being a reviewer.~~ Shrug02 (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~All deleted now, except the couple that are subject to AFD, so you can be safe in the knowledge that yet more trivial stuff to do with small countries has been expunged @RoboCric~~ Shrug02 (talk) 14:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florrie Copley is notable as she is one of only 2 players to play in the inaugural women's inter-insular cup and Jersey's first women's T20 international (a match in which she top scored). She has played in a world cup qualifying tournament taking wickets in both matches she played in. This is all backed up by citations from the BBC and Jersey Evening Post among others. There is limited scoop for sources for Jersey and even more so for women's sport in Jersey. It is not like the USA or India where there are hundreds of media organisations. Florrie Copley is a notable figure for cricket and women's sport in general in Jersey and the wider Channel Islands. Shrug02 (talk) 11:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete @RoboCric I withdraw my objections. Articles about obscure cricket grounds in India that only have 2 citations and high school athletes in America are far more important and worthy of space on here. I have requested deletion of all my Jersey cricket articles including the ones about the world's youngest international cricketer and only player to score a WT20I 50 batting at number 8 and the one about a 17-year-old left arm spinner who just made his T20 debut and will be probably one of the leading associate wicket takers of all time by the time he retires. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrug02 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet the WP:GNG. I would support a redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers to preserve the history, but this does not seem to be the preferred outcome by others. JTtheOG (talk) 17:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers#Florrie Copley, where the content has now been added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested by @BeanieFan11 above. Shrug02 (talk)
Redirect to List of Jersey women Twenty20 International cricketers#Florrie Copley: The current sources are match statistics or routine reports and do not lend the subject to warrant a standalone article. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arjun Tudu

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - @RangersRus:, @Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [67], [68], [69], [[70], [71], [72], [73], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

RangersRus (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)'[reply]

ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Ju-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I've found a coverage about this player on Choson Sinbo which is a complete introduction the player, and there's another article in Tokyo Sports praising his performance against Japan national team last March. I think it should pass the WP:SPORTCRIT with those references since it's very difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Lâm (talk) 10:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per coverage found by Thplam2004. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Thplam2004. Normally there are no sources for WP:V regarding North Korean players, this time it appears there is minimal. Svartner (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which appear to show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Yong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To Football at the 1998 Asian Games – Men's team squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. I want to vote keep, because 18 senior caps is substantial, but I think a redirect is a better option. Anwegmann (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judah Lavulo

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I am unable to find enough significant coverage of this subject, an American rugby league footballer, to meet WP:GNG. My searches yielded a few trivial mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 01:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Minimal sources and career doesn't appear notable. Mn1548 (talk) 07:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Given the lack of in-depth, reliable sources, it's difficult to establish the player's notability for an encyclopedia entry. Waqar💬 17:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Diewald

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I removed the PROD as I am concerned with the BEFORE being conducted by the nom. Let'srun (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Kunová

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. There are two interlanguage Wikipedia in German and Japanese, but neither of them provide significant coverage in reliable sources. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia in 2009, possibly due to BLP concerns. My Google came up with other women of the same name than this figure skater, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Doesn't the win at the Slovak Figure Skating Championships qualify the subject for a WP:NSKATE pass? That being said, the subject may still not meet WP:GNG, but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was told over and over that WP:NSKATE is merely a guideline, and in this case, one national gold medal didn't lead to any sort of notability or significant coverage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. However, the subject meets that guideline so why would you cite it in your nomination statement as a reason to delete the article? Let'srun (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luka Čadež

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Hopfes

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There are some sources which mention the subject as a coach and skater such as [[74]] and [[75]]. Not sure if it merits being kept but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun (talk) 17:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Suman

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Fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – The player doesn't seem very famous outside of Australia, but he seems to have WP:SIGCOV in the country's sports media like the offline sources of The Press & Journal and Evening Express. Svartner (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep sufficient sources already present which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources indicate notability.Blethering Scot 19:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All newly added sources either fail YOUNGATH or are routine transfer stories. Dougal18 (talk) 08:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Appears to be an easy keep. The player doesn't need to be world famous to be notable. Anwegmann (talk) 01:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matěj Kvíčala

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With only database source listed, the article of this luger certainly fails WP:GNG. All that came up in my Google search were an interview and trivial mentions; no indication of independent fact checking. Corresponding Czech Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which might help copy over English article otherwise. He was not even one of the top three luge winners at the 2010 Winter Olympics. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Kneisly

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [76][77][78][79]. Mn1548 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Ángel Sierra

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Olympian who did not medal. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. Lugstub. XabqEfdg (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Other articles on non-notable Olympians have been moved to a special draft category where they won't be deleted after six months. That would seem appropriate here. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I added a full-length biographical profile as reference, so WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 is now fulfilled, which was the main concern of the nominator. Given the depth of this profile, it is likely a lot of coverage can be found in the sources (likely offline) of the years when he was active. @XabqEfdg: did you perform a WP:BEFORE? Broc (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. All I got were database results and unrelated or unreliable results. I didn't find that article which certainly counts toward GNG. Thank you for finding it. XabqEfdg (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nemanja Marković

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Olympian who did not win a medal, fails WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. Lugstub. XabqEfdg (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Other articles on non-notable Olympians have been moved to a special draft category where they won't be deleted after six months. That would seem appropriate here. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Eastman says, the articles imbued with the Template:Special draft status aren't deleted after six months, but five years. I think that's pretty excessive in this case, so delete after seven days. Geschichte (talk) 21:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Nemanja Markovic seems like a very common name, at least judging from the multiple footballers bearing the name. (Some of them are also found as incoming links to this article. None of them seem particularly notable either.) Geschichte (talk) 21:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Červeňák

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With only one match in lower league as well as database sources listed, this article of a men's footballer obviously fails WP:GNG. The closest thing to significant coverage is SME where he debuted for Senica. My other searches only came up with match reports and passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It looks to be 6 matches in the highest domestic league, not 1 in a lower league, but still that's not really a career, and the lack of sources corresponds to that reality. Geschichte (talk) 15:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – seems to have played in six matches not just one, but I was unable to find any significant coverage of this guy. C 679 12:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk)

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Roman Hifo

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of this rugby league footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. JTtheOG (talk) 06:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Insufficient coverage, doesn't appear to be a notable player regardless. Mn1548 (talk) 07:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Pierre-Loup Bouquet

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Novales

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The first two sources already in the article each contain multiple paragraphs of in depth, secondary coverage to meet the WP:GNG. WP:NSKATE does not need to be met when there is WP:SIGCOV present, as there is here. I'd encourage the nom to heed other guidelines besides NSKATE in their nomination statements as it pertains to figure skaters. Let'srun (talk) 21:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marek Solčanský

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage about this luger to meet WP:GNG. All I found on news websites were passing mentions of his participation at the tournament. He was not even on top three luge winners. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia on 18 November 2018, possibly due to BLP concerns. The only interlanguage wiki available is Norsk Bokmål (Norwegian) Wikipedia but it listed exactly the same sources as the English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the article meets the notability criteria for athletes, having competed in the Winter Olympics and achieved notable rankings in World Championships and World Cups.Yakov-kobi (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

André Manuel (rugby union)

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. The closest I found to WP:SIGCOV was probably this. JTtheOG (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corey Makelim

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. There are a couple of interviews available (1, 2), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC) A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads. JTtheOG (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided Given his career their should be more sources available. Current level of sourcing is borderline for notatability in my opinion, but more closer to delete than keep. Mn1548 (talk)

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CJ Cortalano

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was coverage of his high school wrestling days. JTtheOG (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Pro footballer who played at the 2017 RLWC. Fleets (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you know, participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. Biographies of living persons require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Only one appearance for a minor RL country, minimal sourcing, nothing on his club carer.Mn1548 (talk) 08:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cooper Lutkenhaus

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. School sports isn't notable in the world of athletics, and coverage of children's athletics is not significant enough for Wikipedia. WP:TOOSOON with a few years at best. Geschichte (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There's enough coverage to meet WP:BASIC/GNG as a general entry in my opinion. Doesn't appear to just be a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL HS athlete. A Google search shows significant coverage in independent sources. Ex: [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] C F A 💬 22:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this. Several American high school athletes with notable achievements have their own Wikipedia article and significant coverage by independent sources, such as Quincy Wilson. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination – Editør (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the excellent work sourcing done by @Clearfrienda. Also to directly rebut the nomination – school sports is actually very notable in the field of athletics, take a look at how often "U.S. high school" is covered by World Athletics here: "u.s. high school" site:worldathletics.org. The idea that children's athletes are automatically not notable is also not reflected anywhere in WP policy that I can tell – if the general notability guideline is met, an article can be written. --Habst (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irina Nikolaeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There appears to be a professor and a fashion model with this same name that pop up in the search for sources, but I have no idea if those are the same person. I find nothing about a figure skater; this fails notability, Oaktree b (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The corresponding article in Russian has some decent coverage of this subject. At the very least, there is enough to meet WP:NBASIC. Let'srun (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Sources discussing the subject are found at [[85]], [[86]], [[87]] and [[88]] Let'srun (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing significant in any of those sources. #2 is a fan blog. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clayton Brown

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Olympic rower who did not receive a medal and does not meet either Olympic notability for athletes who received medals or general notability based on significant coverage. The only reference is a database entry. Heymann criterion is to find significant coverage within seven days and expand this stub.

Draftify as nominator to allow six months to find significant coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, passes WP:GNG, see sigcov here, here, here and here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources provided by BeanieFan11 are more than suitable for meeting the WP:GNG, as they each provide in-depth coverage of the subject in reliable sources. Let'srun (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not enough WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources to meet the WP:GNG. There are recent articles about him being inducted in the HOF of his school, but that is mostly local coverage which is still not notable enough. Prof.PMarini (talk) 07:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Though the older sources presented by Beaniefan are mostly about Canadian football and not rowing, it seems possible to craft a decent article from them and they are reliable. Geschichte (talk) 08:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG: The only potentially reliable source, the Herald sun article, does not mention his name. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no significant independent coverage. Astaire (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails GNG. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Changing to weak keep per the sources below. A couple of major Australian news outlets wrote articles on Wugol, which is good enough for me. I still think the article needs those references incorporated as in-line citations, not as a vague external link dump. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete

I found over 5 reliable sources and news article about Manyiel Wugol which shows he’s a well known basketball in Australia . See below

https://pickandroll.com.au/p/bigger-than-basketball-manyiel-wugols

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8102113/sudanese-refugee-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/unstoppable-african-australian-athletes-smashing-through-the-barriers/97b7l6fjq

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/sudanese-refugee-manyiel-wugol-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia-after-death-of-close-friend-alier-riak-c-9888802 SportsFanatic220 (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyle Cartwright (poker player)

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No real indication of notability, only sources are routine 'match reports' on poker news sites and a stats database. Doesn't meet WP:NBIO. Only notable for a single event, so WP:BIO1E applies. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magdalena Leska

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage is here or elsewhere to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hirofumi Torii

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD featured only a bevy of personal insults and zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayley Anne Sacks

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: For the same reasons as the last AfD. This subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israeli Figure Skating Championships, where Sack's achievements, two national silver medals, are recorded. Per CHEAP and ATD. gidonb (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not notable enough based on the competitions she won, or did not win, having placed only silver in the Nationals, then 17th in the World Championships, then nothing more after that. Prof.PMarini (talk) 07:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She won twice silver medals in Israel. I wouldn't discount the huge efforts that go into that with "only" and "nothing more". A redirect is well deserved and as ATD and CHEAP usually takes precedence over delete. gidonb (talk) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1931)

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Repeating my reasoning from 2021, but WP:NBASE now no longer exists:

Not notable. I cannot locate stats or a roster spot for this person on seamheads.com or cnlbr.org or baseball-reference.com. (B-R "Bullpen" [an open wiki] has an article created at the same time and same person that created this article.) The given source is an obit [89] that vaguely refers to playing on a Negro league team at some time. The given team ceased play in 1951 when the subject was 20, but as I stated, I cannot find any other source backing this up. (This palyer should not be confused with Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1908), also a Negro leaguer.) -- BX (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article's one source (an obituary of the kind likely provided by the family to a local paper) claims he played for the Baltimore Elite Giants. A separate article in the Bristol Herald-Courier on his receipt of an award puts dates on it: "After he graduated from high school in 1949, he played baseball with the Bishop Stateliners, the Amonata Slugger and the West Virginia All-Stars from 1949 to 1951. Then he played for the Baltimore Elite Giants of the Negro National League until he joined the U.S. Marine Corps in 1953, where he also played shortstop for the 2nd Marine Division baseball team." However, this is not a possible sequence, since the Baltimore Elite Giants disbanded in 1950. So that casts doubt on the reliability of the source (and thus on the obituary) right there. I'm not finding any other sources that confer notability under WP:NSPORTS (either as a player or a coach), WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Artur Ocheretny

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notable only from a single event, his marriage to Putin's ex-wife; WP:BLP1E applies Artem.G (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Argument in favor of keeping the article:

- I found this deletion request because I was interested in learning more about Ocheretny, I presume others may also be interested Blaadjes (talk) 08:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accidentally submitted before I was done, sorry, new to this!

Another reason:

He has been investigated and had properties seized, possibly he and his wife receive millions of dollars from Putin, which might make him more interesting to the public. The article could use some work, but I think it should stay. Blaadjes (talk) 08:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

even the article you linked says that he's notable only because of his marriage: A villa belonging to Russian national Artur Ocheretny, Vladimir Putin's ex-wife's new husband. Artem.G (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to page Lyudmila Putina. He is not notable by himself. My very best wishes (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ted Pierce

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Fails GNG, only sources that I can find are database mentions and the Australian Olympics website Traumnovelle (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That leading Australian newspaper archive Trove brings up NOTHING for "Ted Pierce polo" has me suspect that he was known under some other name or something. I also think that there's a good chance there's sigcov in Water Warriors, a 600-page book chronicling the Australian Olympic water polo team, especially given that he seems to have been one of the more prominent players as he was chosen for three Olympics (he is mentioned in the book). BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's also known as Edward Pierce but that gave me nothing. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trove is actually extremely limited. It lacks most of the major Australian newspapers. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trove is extremely limited from 1954 onwards. And this guy was in the 1956, 1960 and 1964 Olympics. Using online newspaper sources for this era in Australia is useless. WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES should have a comment on what to do when there are copyright or similar corporate subscription imposed online blackouts. The-Pope (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Although there isn't abundant information about him online, he's a three-time Olympic national and that's significant. I've been able to find three mentions of him on a Dubbo local newspaper and I'm sure there's more to be found in media that's contemporary to his participation in the Olympics. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Sepiol

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No real indication of notability, only sources are routine 'match reports' on poker news sites and a stats database. Doesn't meet WP:NBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep World Championship win + bracelet win should merit inclusion. Now satisfactory backed up. PsychoticIncall (talk) 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PsychoticIncall: As I've asked in other AFDs, please read and understand WP:SIRS and then list WP:THREE references you feel are SIRS. WP:BURDEN is on you to prove notability, not just assert it through non-policy means (which is what you are attempting). - UtherSRG (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And again - the sources are all there backing up the main statement probably even more obvious than ever before (Las Vegas Review Journal isn't just providing routine match reports). PsychoticIncall (talk) 11:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amanda Ross (equestrian)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. A search in Google news only found equestrian related sources which are not third party. LibStar (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A few articles about her [90], here [91] and an interview with background info here [92]. Not a slam dunk, but more info than we typically see for Olympians here. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources from Oaktree b seem to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aneta Kowalska

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Some limited coverage here, here, and here, which I think is evidence of further offline coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to agree with this – that's an awful lot of coverage and perhaps we should be looking to the GNG rather than the NSKATE SNG. Toadspike [Talk] 22:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The third source provided by JTtheOG seem to contain somewhat in-depth coverage, but multiple good sources are required to pass WP:GNG instead of just one. I'm leaning towards delete as a result. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Molloy

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. All I found were transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and a routine injury update (1). There seem to be multiple redirect candidates (List of Wakefield Trinity players, List of Salford Red Devils players). JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Rugby league, and England. JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Some non-routine coverage here. I'm a bit surprised I couldn't find more for someone who made nearly 50 Super League appearances. Perhaps someone can add more using offline sources, as a lot of websites unfortunately haven't kept archives during the time period he played in. J Mo 101 (talk) 09:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sufficiently soured in my opinion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 21:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There seem to be a few articles with more than trivial mention. Given the time period, I also suspect there may be additional sources out there that are not reflected by internet sources. At least weak support for keeping. – notwally (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Baffled at the assertions of SIGCOV here. The source linked above is 229 words, of which all but ~5 sentences are direct quotes. The remainder include a couple sentences summarizing what he says in a quote (not independent analysis) and/or relating "what he feels" (ditto), e.g. But after a lengthy time rehabilitating, Molloy is now over the worst of it. and The young forward is hoping to push on and make a big impression with the Giants. With last season almost being forgotten about, Molloy now can set out some targets to work towards – and again it may also involve going out on loan., both of which are immediately followed by more detailed quotes from him. Essentially the only secondary independent coverage is a single sentence mentioning he missed a season due to injury. Nowhere near IRS SIGCOV. This is also a British player from the 2010s, well into the internet news era in a country with highly accessible digital media, so I am very skeptical of claims that coverage exists offline somewhere. JoelleJay (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Wakefield Trinity players: Thorough source analysis by JoelleJay removes the basis for standalone notability. Owen× ☎ 12:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong sources to support the importance of that person. Normanhunter2 (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Normanhunter2, which material do you believe is non-routine SIGCOV in IRS sources? JoelleJay (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My stance on the potential deletion of this article is that it should be retained, primarily due to the credibility of the 9 sources supporting it. These sources, I believe, are robust enough to establish the article's notability.

Some users here may have stronger opinions based on the WP:SIGCOV of this article, but I see potential for improvement. A 'weak keep' is possible for me because this is a notable topic, and there are likely more substantial sources waiting to be added to enhance the article. Normanhunter2 (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Wakefield Trinity players. Lack of SIGCOV per JoelleJay’s source analysis. This is the better of the two proposed redirect targets as the subject played most of his career with this club. Frank Anchor 18:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]