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    February 27

    tag on public domain image

    What tag should be put on an image that is in the public domain, if you are not the creator? {{PD}} is depreciated and {{PD-self}} is for the creator. Bubba73 (talk), 02:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It generally goes by country and/or by subject i.e., a generic public domain template for the United States is {{PD-US}}. See Category:Wikipedia image copyright templates (and don't forget to click on "(next 200)" at the bottom of the page). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I go about adding IPA pronunciations to Wikipedia?

    I already know how to type in IPA and transcribe sounds.

    What are the conventions, wikitext, etc. for inserting IPA pronunciations? What are the guidelines for deciding when & where to use an IPA pronunciation? For example, would it be overenthusiastic of me to call up each and every article on a nation (Canada, France, Peru, etc.) and insert the IPA pronunciation for each nation's name?

    In "Robert Anson Heinlein (July 7 1907 – May 8 1988) was an American novelist," do I put the pronunciation before or after the date? What convention should I use to separate Robert from Anson from Heinlein?

    Is there some kind of Portal for IPA editors? Minetruly (talk) 03:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:IPA is probably a good place to start. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is also Wikipedia:Spoken Wikipedia. Buried in there somewhere is a taskforce of people who provide pronunciation sound files. Since a lot of people DON'T know how to transcribe sounds into IPA (or how to decipher them again), it might be a good idea to try that instead. - Mgm|(talk) 08:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've not been able to find a page on the conventions for IPA notation. I add IPA transcriptions to every article I find where the correct pronunciation is unintuitive or often pronounced incorrectly, so adding one to every country article may be unnecessary. I generally put the IPA before the birth/death dates, but I only do that because I prefer it, not because I've found a guideline mandating that, because I haven't. seresin ( ¡? )  23:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    OK, maybe I'm just tired - but I'm missing something - I'm trying to put a link on my user page - to a file on my HD. I tried:

    • [file:///C:/Users/Ched/Documents/wiki/backup-webpages/ched/somefile.htm name]

    and

    • <a href="file:///C:/Users/Ched/Documents/wiki/backup-webpages/ched/file.htm" name</a>

    I even tried putting in the http:// in a couple places, but I'm just missing it. could a fresh set of eyes give me a clue as to what I'm missing or forgetting? Thanks. ;) and I'll offer the preemptive "facepalm" in advance — Ched (talk) 05:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't believe that the MediaWiki software allows this functionality. You would have to upload the file to Wikipedia directly and link it from there. It would help to know exactly what the file is and what your intent for using it here at Wikipedia is... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess you are using Internet Explorer which can both navigate the World Wide Web and your hard disk, but I don't think your browser would allow a switch from the Web to your hard disk by clicking a link. If you want to try then I uploaded your link here: http://users.cybercity.dk/~dsl522332/Chedtest.htm (including a missing '>' in your html). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Sandbox

    Resolved
     – TNXMan 14:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Where's the sandbox. and if this isn't just to ask a qeustion and it's to write a page i'm sorry, o.k —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.222.54 (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:SANDBOX. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    How do you use the sandbox because Mikaey(Mikey) wouldn't tell me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.222.54 (talk) 06:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    yeh i'm sorry man but that didn't help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.222.54 (talk) 06:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you explain it to me in words, because I don't get it, because this is the first time I've been on Wiki for more then 10 min. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.222.54 (talk) 06:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Instructions for using the sandbox are in the sandbox directly. If you left a more detailed explanation of what you are trying to accomplish, we could help you better. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm done —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.222.54 (talk) 06:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    OK. Bye bye now... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating a Sandbox - Help Please

    I have created a Wiki page prior to this and am currently using it. I had created a Sandbox, somehow, and now as I am responsible for another project, I am struggling to find simple directions to creating a Sandbox.

    I would like you create it for me if possible, since there are endless pages that I have read with little success. If you could put a link to it, so that when I sign in I could work in it, that would be wonderful.

    Thank you for saving me a nervous breakdown! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cognitively Equipped (talk • contribs) 12:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    You created a correct link to a personal sandbox in [1] but I see you removed it again. All you have to do is click the currently red link (red signals there is no page at the moment) User:Cognitively Equipped/Sandbox and save something there, for example {{User Sandbox}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I appreciate what you are trying to do for me, but on the page I created before, when I logged in and clicked on the group name at the top center, it would bring me to a backslash and typed next to it , Sandbox. This was evidence that it was a legit sandbox. Right now I get nothing like that after I log in and it means our work could be deleted. I was hoping for a simple Sandbox like I somehow created before. This current project has a title listed as though it were a Main Page and Main Pages are subject to deletion. Whatever I created that you made a shortcut to, i am not interested in, I want a legit link to a Sandbox for when my group logs in.

    thanks for your understanding and help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.144.50.63 (talk) 16:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See your user page at User:Cognitively Equipped - I changed the link there to [[/Sandbox]] which takes you to the same page as User:Cognitively Equipped/Sandbox. – ukexpat (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know what you are referring to. Which website was this at? Anything on the Wikipedia website can be deleted, but User:Cognitively Equipped/Sandbox is as legit as it gets for a user sandbox. It is not the Main Page and it is not in the main namespace, but anybody can see it and anybody is able to edit it when it's not protected (but it's rare to edit other users sandboxes). You can also get to User:Cognitively Equipped/Sandbox by clicking your username Cognitively Equipped at the top of the page and manually adding /Sandbox to the url. Maybe this is similar to what you did at the other site. I'm not sure what you mean by "group name", "our work could be deleted" and "my group logs in", but note that shared accounts are not allowed and Wikipedia is not a webhost. See also Wikipedia:User page. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Saving one's own files

    can i save my own files in this site so that i can read it when i want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.250.182 (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I am confused by what you want to do? Wikipedia is not a filehosting service. If you could explain in more detail what your purposes are, we could perhaps help you? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that's exactly what the poster is looking for, a file hosting service and Wikipedia is not it. Try box.net or Google "free file host". – ukexpat (talk) 14:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Or see File hosting service#Comparison of notable file hosting services. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I suspect he may want to save articles to his hard drive; so he can read them offline. —teb728 t c 19:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Category:Uncategorized pages

    Am I halluncinating? This category used to be filled to the brim with articles just a few days ago and now it suddenly has subcategories with no indication in the history of either parent or child cat how they came to be there. Special:UncategerizedPages doesn't update properly. Did I visit the wrong cat or what? - Mgm|(talk) 12:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Yeah, I checked Category:Category needed as well, and I don't see anything there. Either folks at the categorization WikiProject have been working extra hard over the past few days (unlikely but possible) or there is a glitch in the system somewhere we are missing. Perhaps a post at WP:VPT or something may get someone's attention with more technical savvy?!? I am confused here as well. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    adolf hitler

    having followed the link and then searched for 'adolf hitler' i am deeply unimpressed by the article. please advise why i cannot get any actual information about the man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.138.179 (talk) 13:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Your question is not clear. There is a lot of info on the article Adolf Hitler. So much in fact, that it is tagged as too long to read comfortably. The article had been recently vandalized though, and maybe you have read the vandalized version. This has been reverted soon after. Cheers. Chamal talk 13:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    for some reason i see this too it says "He Has A **** (vagina)" but then i purge the page and it display now correctly

    The vandalism was at 13:25 (UTC) and was reverted the same minute by a bot. The vandal has been blocked indefinitely (User talk:Devils Advocate). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Strangely enough, though, Hitler Has Only Got One Ball. And he has an article to note that fact too. Ok, that was probably excessive. But come on, laugh a little people]]. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 14:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    IEEE logo =

    The logo used for IEEE on the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE is wrong and outdated.

    Please upload a new logo using this page as reference: http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/toolkit/masterbrand/index.html

    Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.98.210.243 (talk) 14:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The correct place to raise this issue is at Talk:Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers rather than here. Comments about the quality of an article should be made at the talk page of the articles themselves. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 14:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Additionally, investigating the logo in question, it does not appear that the new logo is substantively different from the one in the article. Its basically the same logo, with some text underneath indicating the 125th anniversary of the company. Unless a completely new logo is designed, I don't see where changing the one in our article would be much use. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 14:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The IEEE site has two logos: the IEEE Master Brand (nearer the bottom of the page) and the IEEE 125th Anniversary Mark (the master brand with anniversary text). The article uses the master brand, thus is correct. It is not un-common for an organization to have a variant of a logo for some special purpose, especially anniversaries, but the main logo is that one we should use. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see text

    My internet it working fine, but on most pages I dont see text or boxes, just the Wikipedia background. Anyone know what I can do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.60.38 (talk) 16:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Try to clear your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Printing Wikipedia articles

    When I tried to print out your article on "Multiverse," I found that p. 5 could not be printed. The "print preview" command showed it to be blank, in both the regular and printable versions, and that's the way it was when I went ahead and tried to print them anyway. I never had such a problem until several months ago; since then, I've had it fairly often with various internal pages when trying to print out articles of, say, more than a few pages in length.69.250.218.149 (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I can confirm this for IE7; it works fine in Firefox, however. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 17:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm assuming you're using IE. Are you able to use a different browser? If not, could you copy and paste the text into a word processor? I can't see anything about the article that would cause this, but I'll keep poking. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 17:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    To resolve the issue of blank pages when printing from Internet Explorer 7:

    • Create an account if you do not have one
    • Open Special:Preferences → Skin; from your currently selected skin, click on Custom CSS and open it for editing
    • Add:
    @media print {
sup, sub, p, .documentDescription { line-height: normal; }
}
    • Save and bypass your cache using the instructions at the top of the CSS page

    --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I just noticed an interesting "create a book" box at the bottom of the left sidebar below the toolbox. See Help:Books. It's only for logged-in users at the moment. --Teratornis (talk) 21:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    England Test cricket team colours

    Resolved
     – Answered at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#England Test cricket team shirts  – ukexpat (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    On the England Team's shirts there is a number underneath the three lions logo. This number appears to be different for each player. What does the number signify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.182.97 (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried the Entertainment section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Algebraist 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I am guessing it's a player ID number, maybe something mandated by the International Cricket Council? – ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    OP has asked as suggested at the RefDesk, and received the correct answer that it is the player's "call up" number. DuncanHill (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Can not delete a user page

    Apparently I have an unknown user page that can not be deleted that is tagged can harm my computer. Can someone delete this page: User:Doug Coldwell/monobook.css . I have no idea what it is or what it is suppose to do - other than harm my computer or my account at Wikipedia! Perhaps people at Village pump (technical) might be able to help!--Doug Coldwell talk 19:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Don't Panic!. Monobook simply tells your browser how to display Wikipedia. You can see more details at WP:Skin. Best, TNXMan 20:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, CSS pages are fairly safe. JS pages can do much more than "tell the browser how to display Wikipedia", including some very dangerous things (like mass edits). Brian Jason Drake 10:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The page is not malicious. You created it on 9 July 2007. The current code lets you view the normally hidden persondata in an article. If you don't want that feature, just edit the page, blank it and follow the instructions on the page to bypass your cache. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Great! Now that I know what it is I can sleep again. Thanks for telling me what it is and what it does.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Filariasis

    Page 3 in your article about Filariasis will not print. Please Help!72.11.41.88 (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See #Printing Wikipedia articles above. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    And see Help:Books for a fancy new printing option (only for registered users at the moment). --Teratornis (talk) 21:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Modifying Wikipedia:IPA table

    Look at this page here: Wikipedia:IPA. See the table to the right that has links to Wikipedia:IPA for Arabic, Wikipedia:IPA for Armenian, Wikipedia:IPA for Czech, etc.?

    I've written a Wikipedia:IPA for Japanese article and would like to add it to that list.

    How do I do this?

    Note that I am new, and it appears my access to this section may be restricted. It doesn't even show up in the editing field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minetruly (talk • contribs) 22:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The table on the right is actually something we call a navigation template; the template page is: {{IPAhelp}}. As the template page is not protected, you should be able to edit it now. The template uses some table markup, but it is so simple that you should be able to see what to add. Just make your entry like the others. --Teratornis (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Review of entry on Sarah Keys v. Carolina Coach Company

    This article was tagged at top about two or three weeks ago with a caution about avoiding ibid., op. cit, and the like in citations. I removed the ibid. I had used but the tag (or whatever you call it) is still there. Is there something I'm not seeing that you are? Also, I would like to get a more specific idea of why this article is ranked C class. I asked about this on the discussion page but the response was simply to refer me to your ranking chart/guidelines. The article appears to adhere to the standards for an A rating and I wondered if you could review it and tell me what, if anything, is lacking so that I can revise. Thanks! Megavoice (talk) 22:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    General note: you can make your question easier to answer by linking the article title, like this:
    (You did at least state the correct title, which is better than some questions we get.)
    To your questions:
    • On removing the {{Ibid}} template:
      • The bold approach is to remove the template yourself when you think you have corrected the problems that motivated someone else to put the template on the article.
      • However, if you are new to Wikipedia, the prudent approach would be to identify the person who put the template on the article, and ask him or her if he or she agrees that you fixed the problems. To do that, check the history of the article. You can see that Ukexpat added the template. Since Ukexpat reads this Help desk, he will probably notice that we are talking about him and chime in. If he doesn't, you could get his attention on User talk:Ukexpat.
    • On the C class ranking:
      • Again, look at the history of the article's talk page, see who ranked the article as C class, and ask him or her if he or she thinks the ranking could increase now.
      • I wouldn't worry too much about the ranking. It only appears on the article's talk page. Here is how many views it got last month - the view count tool says zero views in January. Presumably the view count will jump up a bit for February, due to the recent edits on the talk page. However, in general talk pages get fewer views than the corresponding articles. Article rankings on Wikipedia do not matter nearly as much as the actual quality of the articles. If an article is of high quality, it will meet the needs of its readers, most of whom will be utterly oblivious to the ranking.
        • In other words, I recommend spending your time on learning how to improve articles, rather than on the procedural overhead necessary to push up the rankings. The rankings are only one means to the end of improving articles. One might consider rankings to be something of a motivational gimmick - not necessarily a bad thing, but not the ultimate goal. If you are already motivated to improve articles, and you know how to improve them, you don't need to pay much attention to rankings. Just go improve some articles, and eventually the rankings will reflect your improvements. The great majority of readers pay no attention to rankings anyway.
    --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    My ears were burning so I guess someone called?! I have removed the {{ibid}} template. The article references could probably be cleaned up some more using named references, but the article is looking pretty good. As for the rating, I rated it as a "C" simply because it was clearly not a "Start" and I did not know enough about the rating criteria of the related WikiProjects to rate as a "B". The safe course is probably to ask for a review at the talk pages of the WikiProjects: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject North Carolina and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Human rights. – ukexpat (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Advertisements

    how do i publicly advertise on the site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.107.73 (talk) 23:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    On which site? If you refer to the English Wikipedia (this site), the answer is you cannot advertise on it. See WP:ADVERT. --Teratornis (talk) 23:19, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    And see Wikipedia:Advertisements which is probably more directly relevant to your question. Also see WP:BFAQ. --Teratornis (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    (e/c) I'm afraid you can't add commercial weblinks or write promotional articles here, and Wikipedia doesn't currently accept display adverts. Karenjc 23:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    How to change a file name from Commons

    I want to change File:Lomatium bicolor .JPG to File:Lomatium parryi.JPG. Is an administrator needed? ZooFari 23:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See commons:Commons:FAQ#How can I rename/move an image or other media file?. --Teratornis (talk) 23:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Stephen Joseph Christopher (Change Needed To Information Please...)

    Where it says:

    On January 11, 2008 Christopher posted on Alien-earth.org stating that he planned to assassinate Obama in a thread titled "ok we have 9 days until my Presidential Assasination". Christopher stated that the motive for this was because he "can no longer allow the Jewish parasites to bully their way into making the American people submit to their evil ways."


    It SHOULD read "On January 11, 2009". Somehow, it was posted as 2008 instead of 2009!!!


    Thanks!

    M7® (Member at Alien-Earth.Org) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.57.97 (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The question refers to the Steven Joseph Christopher article. I must say, the subject of the article sounds like a real piece of work. --Teratornis (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The cited references such as this one give the year as 2009, so you can be bold and change the year yourself. Just click the "edit" link at the top of the section. --Teratornis (talk) 23:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I changed the year in two places.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    February 28

    Is wiki broke?

    Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 15250 seconds may not appear in this list??? Ryan4314 (talk) 03:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Seems to be OK now :) Chamal talk 05:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It was discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Watchlist. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Signature problem

    I have a signature worked out that should look like this I Grave Rob«talk» but when I check the raw signature box so the WikiMarkup becomes part of it and save my preferences it says Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags.

    How can I fix this? '''<font size="2">[[User:I Grave Rob|<span style="color:darkred">I Grave Rob</span style>]]'''</font><sub>[[User talk:I Grave Rob|<span style="color:black">«talk»</span>]]</sub> (talk) 06:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    In terms of HTML, it should be:
    I Grave Rob«talk»
    I'm sorry, I haven't been able to test it, but that should do it. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 10:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, the element is called 'span', not 'span style'. </span style> is nonsense. Algebraist 10:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    COI

    I am new to wikipedia and see a conflict of interest box at top of page for "Gavin Lurssen". I apologize for the deletion of one of the COI notices. Did not understand the meaning of this and that they should be left there even after reverting to previous version. I had added some factual points to this page and did not realize there would be a conflict of interest because I am related to this person. I thought I had reverted to a previously saved version where the page was started by an outside individual. Please advise what needs to be done to remove this COI box on the page. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanlurssen (talk • contribs) 07:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    From the discussion on User talk:Jeanlurssen it appears the problem you are asking about is fixed now. However, it is obvious from the problems you ran into that you got in way over your head by trying to start with a tricky type of editing that requires an advanced level of skill, along with knowledge of how to communicate with other users on Wikipedia: editing an article in which you have a personal association with the subject. Wikipedia is extremely complex and unlike anything most people have experienced before, so there are a tremendous number of things you have to learn before you can really understand what that whole situation was about. If you are serious about using Wikipedia, you should read Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. That book will give you all the background you need to make sense of what you are experiencing here. --Teratornis (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    disambiguation

    Resolved
     – Karenjc 12:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    My page "John Cook (musician)" does not currently appear on the John Cook disambiguation page. This makes it impossible to find the article on this person unless one searches for the exact title. Is there a way to change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenterstad (talk • contribs) 07:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Then edit the disambiguation page and add his name (and his link via [[ ]])there.

    Angdl (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I've done it for you. Take a look at the diff to see what I did. Feel free to do it yourself in a similar situation. Karenjc 12:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Would any of the actresses/actors in this reliable local newspaper article pass as notable?

    http://www.goldstardailynews.com/content.php?sectionid=4&id=1429

    Look at the last sentences in the article to find the names of the said actors/actresses. They are mentioned in a local newspaper, so that does mean they pass as notable as an actor/actress right? There are many famous people from the country Philippines, which are featured in the said local newspaper Gold Star. Angdl (talk) 08:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • You can't say from the single mention. You'd have to find out if their role in the performance is relevant and if there's actually any other information to build an article with. (I know several people who are notable under the guidelines. But I wouldn't write an article on them, simply because there's too little information I can use) - Mgm|(talk) 10:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The Tagalog Wikipedia may have more lenient requirements for notability of Filipino celebrities. Since the Tagalog Wikipedia is much smaller than the English Wikipedia, perhaps the Tagalog user community is more interested in adding content than deleting it, but I have no idea. I also have no idea whether you speak Tagalog, since you don't have any Babel boxes on your user page. If you do speak Tagalog, I would expect you might have an easier time developing articles on the Tagalog Wikipedia first, and then translating them to the English Wikipedia once they were well-developed there. Just something to consider. --Teratornis (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It might help the case for an article's notability on the English Wikipedia if well-developed articles already exist on other language Wikipedias for the same subject, but I don't have direct experience with deletion debates in which the existence of other language versions of an article was a deciding factor. I would expect it to help. If nothing else, it would give grounds for browbeating any would-be deletionists as blinkered ethnocentrists. --Teratornis (talk) 23:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Twin cities of U.S. cities

    Whenever I go onto a "Twin cities" section of a city, I always see something like this:

    Should it be this or:

    Filper01 (Chat, My contribs) 09:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know the answer (though I prefer the first) but one quick comment: in the first example "USA" should either be "United States" or piped to United States, e.g. [[United States|USA]] (this avoids a redirect). Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 09:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The US is such an enormous place, that - to me - it seems reasonable to narrow it down by mentioning the state in the link. It gives the reader a general indication on where the twin city is located which your suggestion wouldn't do. - Mgm|(talk) 10:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    For larger cities, I think Los Angeles, United States would probably be fine. The problem with smaller cities is that there is often another city in the US by the same name. According to our disambiguation page, there are 31 Springfields, and I'm willing to bet that every medium to large British city has at least two American towns named after it. This doesn't apply to all US cities, just enough that it's probably something to keep in mind when making a twin towns list. AlexiusHoratius 15:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#United States says:
    • The canonical form for cities in the United States is [[City, State]] (the "comma convention").
    • A United States city's article should never be titled "city, country" (e.g., "Detroit, United States") or "city, state, country" (e.g., "Kansas City, Missouri, USA").
    However, that refers to the naming convention for an article title, not for the text to display when linking to an article. In an article which is about a city outside the United States, it could be ambiguous to omit the trailing "United States" or "USA", for example when the state name is also the name of a country ("Georgia"). You might ask this question again on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) after searching the archives there. --Teratornis (talk) 21:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I am not finding my name

    I uploaded my research paper, thesis and photography. But when in search box i write my name or topic of the article, i didnot get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AminaTara (talk • contribs) 12:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    For some reason, you created these on Wikipedia talk pages, not in article space. I will respond further on your talk page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    User page rediredcting to article I created and moved.

    Hoping someone can tell me how to either unconnect my user page from the article I created or create a new user page.

    Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreiny (talk • contribs) 14:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Simply open it for editing and remove the redirect. The trick is that after it redirects to the article, you will see a small "(Redirected from User:Kreiny)" at the top; click on this link to get to the redirected page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I have blanked your user page so it doesn't redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    font

    why do every page in wikipedia had a font in script? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marius zephius (talk • contribs) 15:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you see all of the article text as a script font? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How to add images

    I wish to upload an article written by me. This is in MS Word and has a table, and a few graphics drawn using MS drawing tool. How can I upload this? I am a registered user. 91.140.201.155 (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Well, firstly you don't appear to be a registered user (unless you forgot to log in). You need to have an autoconfirmed account, which means you have to have 10 edits, and been registered for 4 days. If these are currently applied, you can log in a upload them. Sunderland06 (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:Your first article about creating an article. Unfortunately you cannot upload an MS Word file. You will have to convert it to Wikitext including the Wikipedia:Table. Each graphic will have to be uploaded separately as a Wikipedia:Image and licensed under a free license. —teb728 t c 18:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note also that the subjects of all articles must be notable, and the article must demonstrate that notability with references to reliable sources. Articles cannot be used for advertising the subject: they must be written from a neutral point of view. —teb728 t c 18:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How to format a second response in a Talk page thread

    In the Talk pages, what is the proper way to indicate the start of a new response to an entry, when there is already a response to it?

    Assume that there is an entry at a certain heading level, and one response at the next higher heading level (the customary way to format a response). I wish to respond to the first entry (not to the first response).

    If I simply append a new entry to the section, at the same heading level, it is often not clear that it is a new entry. At first glance, it appears to be part of the first responder's entry.

    If, instead, I append to the section, increasing the heading level by one, it appears that I am responding to the first responder.

    In the example below, the first three response lines are from Ivan, and the last by me.

    Example:

    (New Section:) The sky is blue --signed by Mary

    Good point, Mary. But why is the sky blue?
    Many reasons have been given.
    I will research this and update this page. --signed by Ivan
    According to reference xxx, the sky is purple. --signed by me.

    Mark.camp (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Personally I prefer your way - i.e. indent by the same amount as "Ivan" - and I consider this "the one true way". I've noticed some people indent as if they were replying to Ivan, and of course some people simply don't indent at all ;-) Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 15:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    To Mark.camp: when I want to respond to someone's comment which is not immediately above mine, I type "To: (whoever I mean)". That way I can use indenting to distinguish my comment from the comment immediately above it, yet still make clear who I am responding to. Wikipedia:Indentation says to indent according to the comment you are replying to, but the illustrative example is misleading because it shows only two short replies. When replies get long, as mine like to do (why state in a few words what can fit comfortably in twelve paragraphs?), having successive replies at the same indent level rapidly becomes unreadable, in my opinion. --Teratornis (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    More points:
    • On the Help desk, most users successively indent their replies, although most replies are to the original questioner.
    • On a talk page elsewhere, the style in Wikipedia:Indentation may be more appropriate.
    • If a reply comes after several successively indented replies, then it can be clearer to indent one level below the entry to which one is replying (since the entry immediately above will be indented farther, helping to distinguish the new comment from it).
    • If a discussion thread is evolving considerably away from its first comment, it may be better to start a new section.
    • Summarizing the points you are responding to can be helpful if you are responding to points after a large amount of intervening text, regardless of what indentation you use.
    • Be aware that MediaWiki's talk page feature is not perfect. It is really an example of opportunistic design, a reuse of wiki technology originally developed for the article pages. People realized later that having pages to discuss things was useful, so the talk page feature got tacked on cheaply. Notice that we use no special markup codes for talk pages - because there aren't any. There was no attempt (initially) to create a real threaded discussion feature. However, see WP:EIW#LT for information about an attempt to fix that.
    --Teratornis (talk) 22:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Prayers for the sick-

    My name is rev. Miguel A Urrea; Catholic Chaplain at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, <contact details removed> I would like to respect your beliefs especially with the patients that come to our hospital. I would like to know what prayers I may pray with them and in which way I can help the patient as well as the family when they are terminal ill. Will you please help me in this matter. Thank you very much for your time. Respectfully yours, Rev. Miguel A Urrea/Catholic Chaplain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.164.246.221 (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Algebraist 16:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    hello

    why do i keep getting emails saying that im vandalising? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.37.177 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Somebody using your IP address made these edits. If you do not want to receive messages that someone else is responsible for, you can create an account and login. That would also protect you from being blocked from editing due to someone else's vandalism.
    By the way when you post to discussion forums like this one, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). That will add a signature like this: —teb728 t c 17:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    downloading music score

    I went to the I.M.S.L. project to get some Bach and Beethovan ..I can't figure out how to find it or down load itKennyYoung (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC).[reply]

    You may find information at the IMSLP article. Otherwise ask at the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities; they answer general knowledge questions. This forum is for questions about using Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 18:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Keep getting logged out

    I keep getting logged out. One of your FAQs tells me I might be able to fix this by removing all my Wikipedia cookies. Unfortunately it gives me no clue how to go about this. How do I remove all my Wikipedia cookies please?--Shantavira|feed me 17:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    This will depend on your browser. On FireFox it's tools/clear private data. Algebraist 18:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    On Internet Explorer up to 6.0 it's Tools > Internet Options > "General" tab > "Delete Cookies" button. Admiral Norton (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    See also Help:Logging in for tips on staying logged in. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Uploading picture

    Hi, Ive never uploaded a picture of my own and am not familliar with the process. I think a picture of mine can help an article im working on but have never uploaded one before, can some one direct me to the pages I need to upload a picture, and also how to clear the copyright thingies so it doesnt get removed, thanks a bunch, Im sure its probably something silly to ask Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    If I understand correctly that you have not used anyone else's work in making it, go to Wikipedia:Upload and click on the link in the first bullet. That will describe the applicable free licenses and give you an upload form. —teb728 t c 18:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:MOS

    Resolved

    What part of the Manual of Style deals with appropriate linking in "See also" sections? THF (talk) 19:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Does WP:SEEALSO give what you are looking for? —teb728 t c 19:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Just so. THF (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How can I fix a GFDL historical issue long after the violation?

    If an article was forked into another or merged in violation of the GFDL, but discovered much later, is there a standard way to deal with this? I have come across an article that has its entire content taken from another. The content was deleted from the first and placed in the later one without giving any attibution for where the material came from. But this was two years ago. It looks today like the new article was created by the person who forked it. But the prior article history has a over a hundred edits adding the material. There's no way for anyone, looking at the history of the newer article, to know that the material was not created and added in one edit as a new article by the forker. Can we fix the GFDL problem by making a banner note at the top of the forked article talk page? Is there some other way? I know that there are history merges. Can I ask that just the part of the history of the prior page which added the material be merged to the beginning of the other article history page? I thought this might be very difficult since the old article history has lots of other edits that are not dealing with this material that are interspersed (and some that were edits to the forked material and also to other material in the article). So I do not think a clean history merge is possible. 70.19.64.161 (talk) 19:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    You may want to ask at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, which is a noticeboard designed for questions like this. At the least, someone who patrols that noticeboard may be more likely to know how to answer your question. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    {{Splitfrom}} and {{Split-to}} may be appropriate. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    And see Help:Moving a page#Fixing cut and paste moves. (These situations can become nightmarish.) --Teratornis (talk) 23:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    New Account

    I know that there is a list of every Wikipedia user account ever made somewhere, but I con't remember where it is. I want to create an account and keep running into the "username is already taken" message. 86.45.153.52 (talk) 20:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Special:Listusers. Xenon54 (talk) 20:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm lost...

    I was editing the Fort Kent, Maine article, and placed one of my own photos [3] of the town in that section. A few months later, user Fame uploads a copywrited picture [4] of the town from Paul A. Cyr of NorthernMainePhotos [5], the same one that's there now. I know this because I have his DVD, and that is on there.

    I reverted it, but soon I got some whining from him, complaining that my picture did not reflect the town. I countered by saying that his photo was not fair use, according to the allegations on his user talk page, and my DVD I have. I even took a picture ( [6] ) of the DVDs and the original picture. Still, this did not satisfy him, so he fired back at me and made me feel guilty, so I ended up reverting to the picture HE uploaded, since I didn't want to have to fight with him.

    I actually LIVE here, and that picture DOES convey an actual sense of the town, but my picture was taken looking down Main Street, and that is the liveliest part of our town. Should I just put mine back up and forget about Fame unless he does this scheibe again, or should I just let it go? Did I do the right thing?

    Draconiator (talk) 21:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • You're right, if that picture is uploaded without the permission of the photographer, fair use has to be asserted and in this case that would fail because at least a couple of hundred people could make a free alternative. Since you live in the area, it's a good idea to listen to ideas for improvement if he has specific complaints about your image, but otherwise reverting is indeed the right thing to do. - Mgm|(talk) 21:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alternatively, you could ask the original photographer to donate the image if you feel adventurous. - Mgm|(talk) 21:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • You are certainly in the right here. A picture taken and specifically uploaded by the copyright holder is always and forever prefered over a copyrighted photo claimed under fair use. There is no fair use where a free equivalent is availible, regardless of arguements over which picture is "better". Quality is not a consideration on fair use with regards to Wikipedia policy. If you need some back up on this, post your complaint to Wikipedia:Copyright problems, a noticeboard designed to deal with these issues. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    (undent) And read Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria so you can authoritatively cite the rules in this dispute. Wikipedia's rules are complete enough to resolve most disputes. Often in a dispute, it's a simple matter of one side or both not being fully aware of the rules that apply to their situation. Wikipedia has so many users doing similar things that the same kinds of disputes tend to come up repeatedly. --Teratornis (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    When you revert, add a link to the guideline or policy page you are following, to your edit summary. That will make your actions easier for other interested users to understand. --Teratornis (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I could also add that WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF suggest we should not characterize another editor's communication as "whining" even if it seems to be. Just describe objectively what another user has done, and allow other editors to independently decide how to characterize it, if they choose to characterize it at all. What may seem like whining or ranting to one editor might seem like an honest mistake or even reasoned discourse to another. Try to be aware of how different other minds can be. On Wikipedia the challenge is to work harmoniously with the staggering diversity of our 48,127,505 registered users and the unknown number of unregistered users. (Life would be so much simpler if everybody thought like I do, but so far I haven't really found one person who does, across the board.) --Teratornis (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Teratornis that you should not characterize the other editor’s posts as “whining.” Is File:Fort kent.JPG the other photo? The uploader claims to have created entirely by himself. If you know that is false, you could tag it with {{db-imgcopyvio|source url}}. (It is odd that the photo has not been tagged {{di-no license}} since it was uploaded in November.) —teb728 t c 01:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    force category to show all its subcategories

    Is there an instruction to force a category to show all its subcategories on the first page? Debresser (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Does Special:CategoryTree do what you want? Algebraist 22:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Or mw:Extension:CategoryTree? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    That one I knew. But these add the cattree in addition to the subcategories.

    I remember that there is a command to force the category page to show all its subcategories on the first page (if there are more than 200 members and so more than 1 page in that category). Debresser (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I have not heard of such a command. Wikipedia:Categorization#Split display only says <categorytree> can be used. It's possible to place a sort key like space or * in each subcategory to list it before articles starting with normal characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Homeowner Associations (HOA) Problems and Solutions

    How does one add this entry to start a discussion on HOA horror stories and solutions? Let's move beyond rant and rave about the injustices and provide each other with constructive solutions through education and advocacy at the local, county, state, regional and national levels. Include links and letters to elected officials and media contacts as a beginning.

    65.91.82.62 (talk) 23:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. Wikipedia is not for discussion or sharing a point of view. Should a HOA article exist, you could include a criticism section providing reliable sources are used. Computerjoe's talk 23:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How do you create an article?

    How do you create an article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williscool123 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
    Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
    If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    March 1

    Purge Problem

    I have a link to purge my page and whenever I click it some other links cover up my rollback logo can anyone help? L07ChLeo3 (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    That's normal, purging the page messes up where divs put stuff. It will only occur for that page load though - whenever you don't purge it will not occur. — neuro(talk) 17:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm New to Wikipedia...

    Just curious...about how long does it usually take to get a response on a discussion page? Eatanorange (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Most replies usually take up to 5-15 minutes but as you can see with my post above this is not the case :). L07ChLeo3 (talk) 00:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It depends entirely on the page and the post. An easy-to-answer question on the help desk will be replied to very quickly. An obscure or confusing post on the talkpage of a minor article can sit there for years. Algebraist 00:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Also you can think about making a userpage; you can view mine for ideas. A userpage is a way of telling editors who you are so that they can interact with you on subjects with shared interests. L07ChLeo3 (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know if it applies to anything in particular you're trying to find a solution to, but I thought I'd mention: You can place the {{helpme}} tag on your talk page. Several experienced editors who enjoy helping new editors become acclimated to Wikipedia monitor those. It allows you to interact with an experienced user without being confined to a particular topic. — Ched ~ (yes?) 02:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks, I'll take your advice into account. I'll definitely make a userpage sometime in the near future. I'll also keep the {{helpme}} tag in mind. Thanks again for the help! Eatanorange (talk) 18:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Every new user should read this book, to avoid having to learn many things the hard way. --Teratornis (talk) 02:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Section

    What would the URL be to edit a specific part of a page. L07ChLeo3 (talk) 01:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    You can edit a section by clicking on the edit link next to it. The exact URL cannot be given, since it changes from section to section. But it's something like this:
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Page_name&action=edit&section=section_number
    Where "Page_name" is replaced by the name of the page you're editing, and "section_number" replaced by the number of the section you're editing. Chamal talk 02:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Talk page squeezing

    I just did my monthly archive and now my talk page is squeezing stuff. I don't see that I removed anything that I shouldn't have.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It looks fine to me. DId you, like, purge the cache and check again? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Left align header template

    Can I left align my header at User:TonyTheTiger/Header template?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Which bit? — neuro(talk) 17:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I want to move all the GA and FA icons to the left.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Protection of a user talk page?

    I noticed that Shalom Yechiel is retired from wikipedia according to his talk page. I then noticed that his user talk page was under full protection, so I checked the prot guidelines. There is nothing to indicate that a talk page can be protected simply because a user has retired. I see the user exercised WP:RTV, however there is nothing about protection there as well. Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The page history indicates the user had specifically requested protection as part of his Right to vanish. Normally, user talk pages are only fully protected if a blocked user is abusing the {{unblock}} template or are otherwise being disruptive. Xenon54 (talk) 02:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there any precedent for this? I cant really see any reason to do it. Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I recommend you take it up with the editor who did the protecting and courtesy blanking (Hersfold). From what I've seen of him, it's a reasonable editor who'd be quite happy to explain if asked. Just point out the policy and ask him what his reasoning was. - Mgm|(talk) 10:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This follows both precedent and common sense. An unwatched user page is an open invitation to vandalism. Users can request this from any admin, and often make the request at the admin notice board. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 12:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    wrongly accused

    i have a brother 12 hours away and is being accused of a crime and has no help what can i do for him —Preceding unsigned comment added by JONATHANCHAISSON (talk • contribs) 02:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact your lawyer. Chamal talk 02:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unless he has other family already involved in getting him a lawyer, I suspect he'd appreciate it if you got him one. - Mgm|(talk) 09:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If your brother is being wrongly accused by the authorities for something he didn't do, then the best thing to do is for him to get an attorney, who, if not affordable by your brother, is provided for free. If your brother is being wrongly accused outside of the legal system—for example, a fried of his accuses him for sleeping with his girlfriend—then you might want to phone the person who is wrngly accusing your brother; or, if you really love your brother, you might wanna travel and "fix" whatever's wrong. Either way, Wikipedia usually abstains from these suggestions, and a Q-and-A website, such as Yahoo! Answers, would be more appropriate. --96.232.59.156 (talk) 18:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    please define 'established registered users'

    I checked the "why create an account page" but it doesnt define it for me. I am trying to edit a page that is semi protected. The page zombie at the bottom there is a reference.(number 6 to be exact) that seems to be wrong. It seems to be referring to number 5. I was going to play around with preview to see if I could get it to work but i need to be an established user. What does this mean? And if the page needs fixing could someone do it? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivtv (talk • contribs) 03:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia messages often link to relevant pages on words in the message. MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext has a link on established user which explain the requirements. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I have added the ten edits requirement to Wikipedia:Why create an account? [8] The ten edits is a more recent requirement than the four days. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    My Username

    How may I change my username? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey090879 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    House centipede pages

    Hi, our House centipede pages don't work properly. There's a disambiguation page that should be the first stop. Instead the link goes directly to Scutigera coleoptrata from the side bar. From the "Search" page neither "house centipede" nor "Scutigera coleoptrata" get proper results. Instead one has to go via the "Centipede" page and a link in a table there. The second species known as "House centipede" isn't even listed there and is impossible to get to unless s.o. remembers the scientific name. Could someone please see if you could fix this. It goes way beyond my wikipedia-fu. THANKS.76.97.245.5 (talk) 09:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Capitalization matters in search when there are pages with different capitalization. I have redirected House Centipede to House centipede (disambiguation page) instead of to Scutigera coleoptrata. Does this solve your problems? If not then exactly what with which capitalization are you entering in the search box? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Would this stage actress pass the english wikipedia's bio notability guidelines?

    http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Donna_Rugay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angdl (talk • contribs) 09:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    She would if I was in charge. But I'm not. The main factor is the number of reliable sources. The article you link to is a little thin on sources. It's hard to predict how the deletionists would react. Probably by doing what they usually do - deleting things. To secure the article, you'd like to have at least ten reliable sources. Maybe that is overkill, but most of our deletionists will never have heard of this actress, and she is young and just starting her career, which means you need to assert her notability beyond any question. You could skim around Deletionpedia for tens of thousands of examples of what the deletionists don't like around here. But it looks like you already have a perfectly fine wiki to edit over there, so why fight an uphill battle here? When someone is truly notable, they get an article here in due course. --Teratornis (talk) 11:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    A quick Google search indicates she would be notable. You could always create a sandbox in your user space while you work on digging up the required refs. At least it would be a little safer from the ... ahhh ... "non-notable, non-encyclopedic, patrolling personnel" — Ched ~ (yes?) 14:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    But the newspaper article is a notable source. 210.4.62.239 (talk) 15:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Only one notable source is not enough to satisfy the deletionists. See for example Wikipedia:Victim Lists. I personally do not find the arguments in that essay convincing, but lots of other editors do, so you'd better make sure a new article is not vulnerable to that line of attack. Consider, for example, what it means to truly be notable, like Christopher Hitchens. Googling for Hitchens finds 5,800,000 hits, and thousands of them are reliable sources by the Wikipedia definition. Hitchens is clearly notable, so nobody wastes time arguing that we should delete the article about him. I used the rule of ten reliable sources above because if you can't scrape together at least that many reliable sources about a person the deletionists have never heard of, they are going to be biased against him or her. Yes, this may be yet another example of English-speaking ethnocentrism, and terribly unfair, but that's what you get when you play on the English Wikipedia. You have to anticipate the likely attacks and counter them in advance. If the deletionists haven't heard of someone, make sure their first impression is that plenty of reliable sources are there. You don't want to leave any opening for deletionist sentiment to begin building against an article. Once people start thinking that way, it tends to become self-reinforcing. Confirmation bias kicks in, and people start looking for more reasons to delete. Another way to look at it: if you have to ask whether someone is notable, the deletionists will also ask, and more vigorously. Put yourself in the mindset of a deletionist, who is looking for any possible reason to delete an article. You'd better make sure a new article gives no possible reason. --Teratornis (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Robert Godwin

    I believe that the preface of the Robert Godwin article should contain a brief description of why the person is notable. A while back somebody added the fact that he was an author to the openening sentence, but then for some strange reason a user reverted this. I am unable to edit the article because it is protected. Thanks. 79.75.208.7 (talk) 14:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Done - give me a shout (either here or on my talk page if you want is changed, expanded, painted pink etc.
    (Possibly joking about painting it pink - my pink paint has run out).
    Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 14:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    How to create an article??

    I am new to wikipedia and I have NO IDEA how to create an aricle. How can I do this? I want to do an article on my favorite DJ, a local DJ in Miami, to help her get more exposed. How can I start making an aricle abou her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doworkfool (talk • contribs) 15:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
    Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
    If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 16:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia should not be used to get your DJ friend more exposure. In particular, Wikipedia uses the "no follow" attribute (I think that's what it's called) which means that a Wikipedia article will not generate a higher Google ranking for your friend. If they are truly notable by Wikipedia's standards, then somone will come by and create an encyclopedia article. Astronaut (talk) 18:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Odd font

    I am getting an odd font all the time on every page. I don't know what's missing. What's the "normal" font? I may have uninstalled it with a font manager. This one is difficult to read. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by BongoBern (talk • contribs) 17:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The normal font is Arial on article pages, and Courier New when actively editing. — neuro(talk) 17:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically speaking, the default font is set by your browser, not Wikipedia itself. Arial is certainly the default here on my Windows Vista; a completely different font is the default on my Ubuntu Linux. If you're running Firefox (3, pos 2 also) you can see your default fonts by going to Options -> Content -> Advanced (under Fonts and Colours, about halfway down). There is listed the default font for most of the site ("sans-serif") and in the edit window ("Monospace"). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought we had something in the CSS defaulting to arial, hm. — neuro(talk) 18:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    As far as I can see the default is sans-serif:
    body { font: x-small sans-serif; ... }
    ...which will then be evaluated by the browser. On a Windows machine the browser will probably use Arial as the default sans-serif font, but on a Mac or *nix machine Helvetica will be more likely. Interestingly, the CSS tends to specify Serif more explicitly:
    font-family: Times, "Times New Roman", serif;
    Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I remembered it specified TNR, I guess that's why I thought it was explicit with Arial. — neuro(talk) 19:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    See Font family (HTML). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Placement of marker dots on maps in Settlement infobox

    Looking at Waverly, Tioga County, New York, I noticed that the dot placed on the map of NY state appears to place the town in PA. The town is just in NY, right on the NY/PA border and indeed, using the geo location, Google Earth puts its marker on the town, on the NY side of the border. I couldn't work out how the red dot was placed in the infobox map, so perhaps someone can explain here (or provide a link) so I can fix it myself; or perhaps someone familiar with the settlement template can fix it for me. Astronaut (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It looks like {{Infobox Settlement}} uses {{Location map}} to place the marker on the map in {{Location map USA New York}}. You could check the backlinks:
    to see if other locations have the same offset to the south. If they do, then the coordinate boundaries in {{Location map USA New York}} may need adjusting. If only Waverly, Tioga County, New York is getting misplaced to the south, and all the other locations show up in the correct places, then I wouldn't know what to do. --Teratornis (talk) 20:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I edited a page and that part got deleted?

    I put in a new section on the Sheffield page, called Twin towns, but it got removed later that day. The next day i put it in again, and it got removed again. Why does this keep happening?

    Thanks, Hazzertbr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.230.84 (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Double redirect + lost history

    Is there someone more technical that can fix this history to merge into this current history? There is a double redirect also here that should probably be fixed also (removed). The end result there should be one redirect of the spelling "Tertia Aemilia" to the current article of Aemilia Tertia. This way then all the history of the article will show, from "Started Article" on 18 January 2007. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 18:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    PDF Version with Mozilla Firefox Plugin

    When I open a pdf version of a page with the mozilla firefox adobe acrobat plugin, mozilla firefox crashes. Is this because it is new; I haven't noticed the tool before but it could just be me being really inobservant. God Emperor (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The function is new but it's not a problem with WP, but with the way Adobe Viewer and Firefox interact, that causes Firefox to crash. You'll want to download the PDF (right-click, save as) rather than view it in Firefox. Firefox addons are available help you with this (I seem to remember one called "Nitro PDF"). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You could download Foxit Reader, which is a much better and faster application; it's free, and it comes with an almost perfect Firefox plugin. - Erik Baas (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Help With Deletion

    Resolved

    How do i get an administrator to restore a page to my userspace so that I can work on it. My page was on speedy deletion but i have changed and redone it excluding any language which could be regarded as advertisement. I would also appreciate if i would run the new edition through someone who can look at it to determine if it is passable before i save and upload it.Wamaina (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See WP:WWMPD which leads you to CAT:RESTORE. --Teratornis (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks Teratornis for your response. I have decided to contact one admin. to provide me with the copy of deleted articles for redoing.

    I am not sure how that will work. Wamaina (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See also Wikipedia:Userfication which will lead you to same place. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks all for your help. Have written now awaiting the admins response. Wamaina (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I see from Wamaina's discussion with the deleting admin that Wamaina is well aware of the issues with this page, and I therefore just restore it to User:Wamaina/The Village Market.
    BTW, what's the correct way to do it? The way I did it right now was by copying and pasting the text, because I couldn't see a way to restore it to a different name. — Sebastian 22:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It cannot be restored directly to a different name. Restore it, move it (leave a redirect behind so the actions can be traced later), delete the redirect. Copy-paste destroys the page history and should generally not be done unless you email it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you - I see the point about the page history. (It now looks like I was the first contributor - I hope people won't think it was me who wrote it.) I will fix that. — Sebastian 00:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Help:Moving a page#Fixing cut and paste moves might be worth skimming. --Teratornis (talk) 02:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Making a "stub" for a topic.

    How do I create a "stub" for my wiki page that was deleted ("New Energy Movement"). I just want to preserve the title while I edit the article to be more WIKI-worthy. I got the idea from another user who was the driving force behind getting the article deleted. I'm terribly strapped for time and only wish to reserve the title New Energy Movement for now.John W. Cornett (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    There's no need to "reserve" the title. There is no hurry. Just work on the article in your own time, perhaps in a user space subpage. Once you have an article that establishes the notability of the subject, and cites reliable sources you can create it again with that title. The only thing that could happen in the meantime is that someone else might create such an article with that title. In that case you could help by editing the article to improve it, add references, etc. -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 22:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    According to the AfD, your original article was an unencyclopedic essay full of original research. And it was not just one person who thought so. Before you spend time writing a new version, be sure you understand that Wikipedia does not publish original research or personal essays. There is no way to reserve a title, and I agree with Amos E Wolfe that there is no need to do so. —teb728 t c 23:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding images to the user page

    How do I include a personal picture on my user page without uploading it to the Wikimedia Commons? Is it permissible to upload a picture to the Wikimedia Commons for the sole purpose of displaying it on one's user page? Minetruly (talk) 23:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    If you don’t want to upload to Commons, you could upload to the File space of English Wikipedia. In either case you would have to license it under a license that allows anyone to reuse it for anything. —teb728 t c 23:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    See also Wikipedia:User page#Images on user pages. An image can only be displayed if it's uploaded to either Commons or the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    "Based out of"

    As in "the company is based out of Dubai". Is this standard American English or is it horrible in any variety of English? Should I always change to "based in Dubai" etc.? Itsmejudith (talk) 23:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    They are probably both acceptable in all but the most formal forms of American English, neither sounds wrong to my ears, but I would hedge towards the latter if I were concerned about being pedanticly correct. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "Based out of" sounds like a midwestern idiom. Or maybe it is slightly hip-hop. See Straight Outta Compton and Straight Outta Lynwood. English is a tough old language, but one wonders if it can survive the never-ending assaults. --Teratornis (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Midwestern? I've heard this in several places and not all of them were in the midwest. But yes, I agree with Jayron. Dismas|(talk) 04:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Pre tags help

    Is there a way so that a pre tag can scroll? Like 

    blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah

    but make that scrollable? kind of hard to describe, sorry.--Speakleft1 (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Like this? 

    blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah

    — Sebastian 23:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Actually, just adding "height:40px;" or whatever does exactly what I want. Thanks for showing me that, didn't think of it.--Speakleft1 (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    March 2

    cannot login to Wikipedia

    username codestone paassword <redacted> email <redacted>

    everytime I create a new account, as soon as the account is created I cannot use it. this problem began about 5 months ago when a login was recovered after several weeks since then the logins are premanently blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.50.104 (talk) 03:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Removed password and email. If you have any accounts on other websites with the same password, change them immediately. Xenon54 (talk) 03:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a help desk for the English Wikipedia. At Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 January 10#Logins Repeatedly Stop Working you said you had logged in with two user names BraveLittleHawk and LittleHawk but they are not registered in the English Wikipedia. There are many other wikis and Wikipedia languages. At which website are you creating accounts and trying to log in? And how are you directed to create a new account? The username codestone was created at the English Wikipedia on 4 May 2008.[9] It has no edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Help:Logging in may be of help. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Nonsense in Burn Hall School page

    Looks like someone inserted nonsense in the Burn Hall School article. I removed some obvious crap, could someone please take a look and rewrite whatever useful text was deleted by the abuser? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceRocket (talk • contribs) 04:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Done. In the future, it would help if you'd provide a link to the article that you're talking about such as Burn Hall School. This way, people can just click right on that link instead of having to go to the search box or look through your contributions to find the article in question. Dismas|(talk) 04:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You can do that by putting double brackets around the article title .. [[Burn Hall School]] would then look like: Burn Hall School. You can find more about linking here — Ched ~ (yes?) 07:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    speech topic

    anyone know were to go to get somethings on the speech topic"handicap is not a problem if one has the determination".i dont have any idea what to write .please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.7.62 (talk) 05:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    We can't do your homework, but maybe you could get something from our articles on Disability and Determination. Good luck! ~user:orngjce223 how am I typing? 05:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    PDF file map

    Is it possible to upload this PDF file and import it into an article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Programs like Corel and various other PDF converters might give you what you're looking for, but could you just link to it, or perhaps do a screenshot (providing there was no copyvio)? — Ched ~ (yes?) 07:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Garbo - German Actors

    Is there any reason why Greta Garbo isn’t included in the list of German Actors ()? Please note, this list includes both actors and actresses, so it is not a sex/gender thing.

    Because she's not German by any means? If you read Greta Garbo's article, you'd know that she's Swedish. And please sign your posts. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 05:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    File:New York Islanders logo (1995–97).svg

    I'm experiencing an issue with an image. I just recently received a message on my talk page stating that the image (mentioned in subject title) is not being used on any articles. However, currently the New York Islanders page is using it (near bottom). I tried refreshing to no avail. Thanks in advance. — Hucz (talk · contribs) 05:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It now shows as used (maybe as a result of my doing a null edit on the article). —teb728 t c 05:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Someone keeps undoing my corrections

    Resolved

    I am a new user and am trying to make important corrections and additions to the page about Kentucky author Gurney Norman. Someone keeps undoing my page and reposting the incorrect page. Why is this happening? The corrections are important. What can I do?Spudsparo (talk) 06:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello Spudsparo, I've left you a welcome message on your talk page. Some of those links may help you get an understanding on how wikipedia works. What article are you asking someone to look at? - (I will try to look through history, and see if I can find an answer for you - and be back shortly) — Ched ~ (yes?) 06:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You appear to be involved in a content dispute at Gurney Norman. It also appears that you are familiar with how to revert edits made by another editor. Not being familiar with the subject matter, I don't feel qualified to supply an opinion on the content. It is good procedure to discuss the changes on the article talk page (may be marked discussion or talk on the tabs). If you have questions, you could approach the editor who is also making changes here. I will close with the note that when dealing with an article about a WP:BLP (biography of a living person) - content should be referenced by reliable resources. If you are unable to resolve the issues on the talk pages, you can seek further assistance at: WP:DR — Ched ~ (yes?) 06:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi, Thanks so much for looking into this. The content I am supplying is (indisputably) correct, so I will try to communicate with Badagnani on the talk page as you suggest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spudsparo (talk • contribs) 06:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    No problem, best of luck ;-) — Ched ~ (yes?) 06:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Easy template problem

    The template I'm having problems with is Template:PhylomapA. It's pretty straightforward, but I can't figure out why the parameters aren't working. There's a demo at my sandbox. I'm sure it's something silly, but any help is appreciated! -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 06:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    a relevant page is the ImageMap explanation at mediawiki. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 06:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Admins protecting their own userpages

    Why do virtually ALL admins here fully protect their userpages? 89.242.183.73 (talk) 08:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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