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Thanks. — Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 08:57, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

NPOV dispute at Jesus

I initiated a NPOV disucussion at the discussion page of Jesus.

Input is appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus#NPOV_in_lede_section
— Preceding unsigned comment added by ReaverFlash (talk • contribs) 10:01, 26 June 2010

Proposal to rename Christian Mysticism template Christian Meditation

I posted a call for discussion at Template talk:Christian Mysticism. The template was removed from the Christian Mysticism article, and since it doesn't actually use the word mysticism, I wonder if it should be renamed to reflect its own contents. Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

• Cancel that--someone went ahead and boldly renamed it. Thanks. Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I disagree strongly with this move and have requested that it be moved back due to no consensus. All the mystics listed in the template are mystics - not just meditators. Please discuss on Template talk:Christian meditation. Elizium23 (talk) 00:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I left a message and also commented on the template talk page as to why the rename should be reversed. It is a pretty clear cut case actually, as discussed there. No big deal to restore it I think. However, let me take this opportunity to ask for free work on Christian mysticism which needs much help. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Question re: overlapping WikiProjects

Is it okay to tag articles with this project, the Spirituality project and the Religion project? Or is that too much overlap? Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:52, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

You may want to read Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Article_tagging. The most important question is: Are the members of that project willing to help support that article? WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Partly I was confused because I couldn't find any information stating if the Christianity Project is already a part of either of the others. I find these Project pages hard to navigate sometimes, since they all are designed in ways that are kinda similar and yet not exactly alike. Cheers, Aristophanes68 (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC).

The Christianity WikiProject is a daughter project of the Religion WikiProject. In the vast majority of cases, if it fits into the former, it is redundant to tag it with both. LadyofShalott 03:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

There is way to much project overlap here. I am guessing that things are considered "Spirituality" if someone on that team thinks it is "Spirituality". Religion would cover all of that and much more. ^{şṗøʀĸşṗøʀĸ: τᴀʟĸ} 23:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Christian denomination disambiguation pages with links.

Greetings! This month, we have a large number of links to disambiguation pages about Christian denominations. We at the Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links project would deeply appreciate any help you could give us in fixing ambiguous links to the following pages:

• Ukrainian Orthodox Church: 90 links
• Church of God: 62 links
• Armenian Church: 53 links
• Estonian Orthodox Church: 52 links

Cheers! bd2412 T 21:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments needed on Aelred/Ailred

Please weigh in over at Talk:Ailred of Rievaulx#Requested move. Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 06:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Work needed on Spiritual warfare

The article Spiritual warfare is a real mess. It looks like it could particularly use some editing with regard to what are the more orthodox views on the subject. Mamalujo (talk) 21:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiproject Conservatism

Check out the proposed wikiproject Conservatism here.

I wish this project will not happen, given that it was positioned against project liberalism. In my view, it will in the end lead to even a further polarization of editors and may encourage an unfortunate WP:Battleground mentality with them. The end result may be 90% talk page discussion and 10% good content. Then both groups will end up getting backlash from the larger community and there will be no real winners. I just hope it will not fly. I hope to see more cooperation and less polarization of editors. History2007 (talk) 22:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

An appeal re. "Big Church Day Out" event

Hi all. Could I make an appeal to any project members who may be going to the "BigChurchDayOut" event on 28th and 29th May 2011 at Wiston House, West Sussex, UK? (Stick a .com on the end of the name to see the website.) The grounds of Wiston House are now private property and are only rarely opened to the public—this event is one such occasion. The former St Mary's Church (declared redundant in 2007) stands next to Wiston House within these private grounds. It is not possible to photograph the church with any degree of success from surrounding public footpaths etc., unfortunately. I will soon be starting to compile an illustrated list of places of worship in the district, similar in style to this, and will ultimately write an article on the former church itself. It would be great if any visitors to the event could take, and upload with an appropriate licence, some photos of this ancient and attractive church for use in these articles. Many thanks! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:LDSproject

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement#Template:LDSproject. This invitation is being extended because Template:WikiProject Christianity is also being discussed. 208.81.184.4 (talk) 17:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC) (Using {{pls}})

Family Research Council

Hello, there is a discussion relevant to this WikiProject going on here which involves some users who wish to state that the Christian group, Family Research Council, is in fact a "hate group" in the introduction of the article. Please see the discussion and consider the arguments for or against this inclusion there. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 06:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

A source: Bible and homosexuality

Hi! I found:

• Knust, Jennifer Wright. "My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality." CNN. February 9, 2011. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nilgiri Christian Guest Homes Association

The article Nilgiri Christian Guest Homes Association has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A search for references found no published (gBooks) mentions and mostly/only mirrors online. No mention of notability, fails WP:V and WP:N

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 17:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Chick-fil-A

It appears that a Wikipedian who is not a member of this WikiProject has claimed the Talk:Chick-fil-A page for WikiProject Christianity with an apparent political intent. What response if any is appropriate? PeRshGo (talk) 12:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a political intent, however the article already links to the Christianity portal, and talks about Christianity a lot in the article... --AdmrBoltz 16:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Although the timing of the banner does seem to imply a political intent (without the editor's own statement of intent, which we now have), Chick-fil-A has always been open about its connections to Christianity—being closed on Sundays, etc. We should perhaps focus on precedent: are there other businesses that warrant the Christianity project banner? Aristophanes68 (talk) 16:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

CNN has a list of 10 other Christian companies, such as Forever 21, ServiceMaster, etc. --AdmrBoltz 16:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

While the CNN has posted a list of religious (not necessarily Christian) companies I can’t say it makes sense to put those companies under a WikiProject what covers the Christian religion as a whole. Do we put Whole Foods into WikiProject Buddisim? Should all companies that aren’t entirely secular be covered by the WikiProject that handles the religion the owners ascribe to? Do we start categorizing individuals by their religious beliefs as well? But more than anything I see this tagging as a part a broader effort to portray the owners of Chick-fil-A as religious zealots. Such POV issues are being fought in the article space so I don’t why they shouldn’t be fought in the talk space as well. PeRshGo (talk) 02:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll also mention that the majority of the information relating to the company's association with Christianity has been added very recently, the afore mentioned Christianity portal box being added just last week. PeRshGo (talk) 02:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Besides, I doubt that this WikiProject is a good place to collaborate on improving the Chick-fil-A article. What would experts on Christianity have to add to that article? Probably very little. Huon (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

How far do we want to carry this? Banks in the Near East, under Muslim rules, cannot charge interest. Are they then "Muslim banks" and under Project Islam? Are we looking to label all banks. Some Hollywood and other media tend to be aggressively anti-religious ("secular" in polite terms). Do they then come under that project? It seems to me that some LDS-owned companies can be construed as "religious" though their intent is to make money for their owner, just like any business.

I would like to see this sort of thing limited. It can go on too far IMO to the point where if someone says he is a "Methodist" and works as a CEO someplace, the company suddenly gets "labeled" and unlabeled in banner wars. Student7 (talk) 13:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Huon is right, of course.

We get into this with categories all the time, with someone trying to annoy someone else with a label deliberately chosen for this purpose. I think we have a easier time of it here. Project members can decide that it is not in the interest of the Project to label that article. (Categories aren't so lucky. No "owners" there!  :) Student7 (talk) 15:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the categorization should be removed. Someone conducting an academic study of Christianity is probably not going to think, "oh, let me study Chick-fil-A". The focus of the project could easily be diluted through attempting to label everyone and everything that has a connection to Christianity. That would include open the flood gates were we to attempt to tag every bio of a Christian as relating to this project. --B (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I think there is a lack of necessity for the Chick-Fil-A page to be tagged under WikiProject Christianity. While the retaurant does have Christian associations, said associations are not the most notable aspect of Chick-Fil-A. The restaurant's most notable aspect is the fact that they are a restaurant which is known for their chicken, as suggested by the restaurant's name. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 01:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Christian terrorism

Calling for your urgent attention to matters discussed on Christian terrorism's talk page, thank you.Eli+ 20:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Rm link to non-licensed copy of copyright material per WP:LINKVIO

We seem to have a problem with links to copyright violations in articles about the Catholic sex abuse scandal. If you work on these articles, please see Talk:Catholic sex abuse cases#Copyright_violations_by_other_websites for more information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Article Tahash Timeline

Please look at the article Tahash, and on the Discussion Page: "Consensus on Timeline" give your opinion about the Timeline. Thank you. --Michael Paul Heart (talk) 13:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Citation templates now support more identifiers

Recent changes were made to citations templates (such as {{citation}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite web}}...). In addition to what was previously supported (bibcode, doi, jstor, isbn, ...), templates now support arXiv, ASIN, JFM, LCCN, MR, OL, OSTI, RFC, SSRN and Zbl. Before, you needed to place |id={{arxiv|0123.4567}} (or worse |url=http://arxiv.org/abs/0123.4567), now you can simply use |arxiv=0123.4567, likewise for |id={{JSTOR|0123456789}} and |url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/0123456789 → |jstor=0123456789.

The full list of supported identifiers is given here (with dummy values):

• John Smith (2000). "How to Put Things into Other Things". Journal of Foobar. 1 (2): 3–4. arXiv:0123456789. ASIN 0123456789. Bibcode:0123456789. doi:0123456789. ISBN 0123456789. ISSN 0123456789. JFM 0123456789. JSTOR 0123456789. LCCN 0123456789. MR 0123456789. OCLC 0123456789. OL 0123456789. OSTI 0123456789. PMC 0123456789. PMID 0123456789. RFC 0123456789. SSRN 0123456789. Zbl 0123456789. |id=____. {{cite journal}}: Check |arxiv= value (help); Check |asin= value (help); Check |bibcode= length (help); Check |doi= value (help); Check |issn= value (help); Check |jfm= value (help); Check |mr= value (help); Check |ol= value (help); Check |osti= value (help); Check |pmc= value (help); Check |pmid= value (help); Check |rfc= value (help); Check |ssrn= value (help); Check |zbl= value (help)

Obviously not all citations needs all parameters, but this streamlines the most popular ones and gives both better metadata and better appearances when printed. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 02:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Getting more eyes on an ongoing RfC

Hello there! Replies to an ongoing RfC at Talk:Crisis pregnancy center have been sparser than might be helpful, so since the RfC concerns Christianity, I thought I should mention it over here. We're trying to decide whether, based on our sources' description of CPCs' religious affiliation, personnel, and behavior, it is best to describe them as "Christian," "run by Christians," or "affiliated with a Christian organization." Thanks! Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Question about Christian holidays

Hi, I'm in the process of arranging the distribution of 400 free Credo Reference accounts to Wikipedians, generously donated by the company and organized by Erik Moeller of the Wikimedia Foundation. See WP:CREDO for more details. The accounts will be distributed on a first-come, first-served basis, plus some eligibility requirements, and the application list will open on March 23 at 22:00. I want to make sure that this day doesn't clash with any religious Christian, Jewish, or Muslim holidays that would make it less likely, or impossible, for observant Wikipedians to be online. Could you please let me know if there's any such issue with March 23? The list will remain open for a week, but the first day is likely to be the busiest. Many thanks, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 18:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Naw-Rúz (Zoroastrian and Bahá'í), Holi and Lent will be in progress, but should not prevent anyone observing them from signing up. I am unaware of anything else during this period which would impact the date you've chosen. • Astynax ^talk 21:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. And on a lighter note, from a Catholic perspective, the special observance period after St. Patrick's day should be over by the 23rd for most participants and they should be able to type their passwords. History2007 (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. :) See Wikipedia:Credo accounts if you're interested and sober-ish, March 23, 22:00 UTC. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 22:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

American Social Conservatism is up for deletion

This nav box {{American Social Conservatism}} is up for deletion. Is a nav box for important articles where Christianity and politics intersect such as Judeo-Christian values, Pro-life, School prayer, National Right to Life Committee, Christian Right. You can join the discussion here. Lionel (talk) 00:14, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments needed on scope of Christian mysticism article

What should be included and what should be left out? Please weigh in at Talk:Christian mysticism#Scope of the article as of March 2011. Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Economic histories of religions and ethnicities

Please see the central discussion at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Economic history of the Jews#Economic history of Religion X, regarding:

1. Economic history of the Christians and its related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic history of the Christians.
2. Economic history of the Jews and its related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic history of the Jews.
3. Economic history of the Muslims and its related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic history of the Muslims.

Thank you, IZAK (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Mormons

Please join the discussion about the open issue whether the Church of Jesus Christ LDS (mormons) should be defined as a christian religion or not here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#Argument_against_Christianity . Currently the article defines them to be so, but scholarly works and general references show that we should not be to keen on calling them christian, since there has ever been an ongoing dispute in the academic world, and we should not argue against Britannica or Oxford English Dictionary, as long as we have not come to a reasonable conclusion. --217.5.199.242 (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)