User talk:Ezhiki

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Copyvio problem

I just assessed this article: Vladimir III Igorevich - most of it looks like it comes word for word from the given source, (Dimnik, Martin The Dynasty of Chernigov - 1146–1246), which was published in 2003. I searched one sentence: here and it matches exactly. I searched anthor sentence here and found that the exact sentence is used in several other wp articles as you can see. It would appear that the majority of material in these and possibly other articles by this particular user (User:Borsoka) are copyvio. INeverCry 08:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've marked it as a copyvio as a precaution, although I will still need to look at it closer. My first impression is that much of the article is closely paraphrased, with only occasional sentences taken verbatim. The other sentence you searched for, for example, is not in the book at all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 22, 2012; 14:56 (UTC)

I showed the 2nd link basically to call attention to the other articles, which have the same copyvio problems and extremely close paraphrasing. Svyatoslav III Igorevich has this exact copyvio sentence: here and probably more. I don't doubt the others do too. The language used in these articles, though not always exactly the same as that source, is still much too close throughout. The language used in these articles sounds like a historical chronicle rather than encyclopedia articles. INeverCry 16:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's a helpful listing of Borsoka's major contributions at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Borsoka, if you're interested. (Forgive the mojibake -- blame Windows -- but diffs should still work.) I've marked off the three you blanked a couple of days ago. MER-C 09:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; I was not aware of that listing. It was a lot of work and is much appreciated. I was going to tell INC below that the barnstar is a bit premature since I've only just started looking the contributions over and only marked the three he pointed out to me. At any rate, I'll make a point to help out with the rest of those. If there's anything else I need to know (such as whether there have been sanctions or similar), please tell me. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 13:43 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. Borsoka hasn't edited substantially since the CCI was created, however if he contributes further copyvios he should be indefinitely blocked. MER-C 03:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

		The Admin's Barnstar
		For your quick and thorough handling of this issue. INeverCry 18:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roschinsky, Samara

Please place ru:Рощинский (Самарская область) on your long-term stub creation list, for 3rd Guards Spetsnaz Brigade and other formations. All best wishes, Buckshot06 (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done. Have fun with the rest of it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 15:43 (UTC)

Tatarstan

So I found a university paper which says 55% of Tatarstan's population is Muslim. This is a reliable source and I want to put this in the article, but its in pdf format and I don't know how to cite those. 68.150.245.177 (talk) 05:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I removed the link as it was not working. I am not sure why you do not like the 2010 census anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it did not work so I want to source the pdf file. I want to know how to link to those.

I don't like the 2010 census because we have contradictory numbers in the demographics area. I am not sure why you don't like the new census numbers. 68.150.245.177 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you post a link to that document here (don't worry about formatting or anything; just copy/paste whatever is in your browser's address bar when you open the pdf), I'll be happy to help you from there.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 20:14 (UTC)

I've replaced the thesis link with the link to the original work that thesis cites. I don't have a problem with that source. However, do you not find it ironic that Krindatch's article was published in 2004, which most certainly means that he used either the 2002 Census results or one of the even older works listed among his references on page 136? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 27, 2012; 18:54 (UTC)

Khasansky District

Hi, whats up? I just remind u, if you have some improvements u can add to the Temlate:Khasansky District I have created. Besides, i have created articles for all Russian Government ministries, if you have also smth to improve there, u r welcome to do it. Take care, Superzohar Talk 07:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry for the delay. I haven't forgotten, but keep procrastinating :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 26, 2012; 17:03 (UTC)

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Re: dab page link

You reverted my change to remove the dab link for "eastern". I started a discussion on this topic here: Talk:Vostochny_District#linking_to_dab_page. Please let me know why you think a dab link is appropriate in this context. Coastside (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded on that page. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 14:22 (UTC)

Template:Mongolian legislative election, 2012

Hi I created the template, but as usual, problems. can u help me fix it? Superzohar Talk 19:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. I see that the lines are skewed somewhat. Is that all, or is there something else that needs fixing?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:09 (UTC)

I think thats it basically, but can be sure only when numbers will be located. Superzohar

Talk 19:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think I got it. Let me know if you find anything else (and sorry I overrode the numbers which were already there).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:22 (UTC)

Yes thank you. Now it looks asthetic and good. BTW, in the template:Khasansky District there is one settlement Андреевка i didnt know how to write it in english andreevka, andryevka or smth else so its still in Russian. And Витязь i translated Vityaz' i hope its good. Superzohar

Talk 19:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. "Андреевка" would be "Andreyevka", and "Витязь" would be "Vityaz" (the apostrophe for the soft sign is normally dropped; as per WP:RUS). The reason I'm postponing the review of that template is because most of the place names in Primorsky Krai overall and in Khasansky District in particular are ambiguous. It's very labor-intensive to manually check every single one for dups (just look at the Andreyevka page to see what I mean!). I am able to automate most of that, but I'm hesitant to work on such lists until the foundation for such work is built—it's really important to have all districts, cities, urban-type settlements, and selsoviets covered first, or we'll have to continuously return to the inhabited localities lists to tweak the links in the descriptions and/or relink the targets. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:51 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Hi, just a token of our appreciation for you taking the time to answer our questions about Wikipedia & SuggestBot, many thanks! Nettrom (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 5, 2012; 20:06 (UTC)

Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces

Hi its me again:-)

I want to write article based on the russian wikipedia Верховный Главнокомандующий Вооружёнными Силами Российской Федерации. What is the more correct english wiki name? Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces or Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces? thx Superzohar Talk 12:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know whether this is the term which is predominantly used in English to refer to that rank, but as a translation it seems OK to me (if I were to translate it, I'd use that exact term). I'll ask someone else to double-check though.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 9, 2012; 13:43 (UTC)

hi! i decided the most correct translation is Supreme Commander-in-Chief. so what u think it should be: Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, or Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia or Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? take care Superzohar

Talk 12:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go with the last one ("Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation") as it's the closest to the original, but if you have sources in English using a different term, then you should probably use that instead.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 16, 2012; 13:29 (UTC)

Removed gallery

Hi. Why did you remove this gallery? --Søren 21:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceroi (talk • contribs)

Hi there! That one was more of an editorial decision than anything. Galleries are very useful tools, but having a gallery just for the sake of having a gallery isn't really that beneficial. When you have an article about a painter, galleries are the best choice to show that painter's most notable works, or when you have an article about a landmark, having a gallery illustrating various views of that landmark is also useful. Alternatively, pictures illustrating some important aspect of a topic but not covered in the text also rightfully belong in a gallery (at least until someone takes time to cover them in the text, after which they can be incorporated in the appropriate paragraph). But having a gallery which basically picks a few random pictures or duplicates a corresponding Commons category isn't really helpful. The gallery I removed, for example, contained three pictures—one showing the city on the banks of the river (which is a thematic duplicate of the picture in the infobox), a painting by Kozhin (a thematic duplicate of Bilibin's painting, although it can be argued which of those two is a better illustration), and a painting of a bridge by Presnyakov (which does not extend the article in any way). All three are available on the Commons, the Commons cat is linked to from the article, so nothing hasn't really been lost.

I understand this may seem a somewhat arbitrary decision, but that's why I never insist on keeping such galleries out if someone restores them. I do, however, stand by my opinion that the gallery in the condition I removed it was not all that useful to readers. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 13:07 (UTC)

Snezhnoye, CAO

Hi, wondered whether you had time to review Snezhnoye? I Think I have exhausted all relevant sources in russian and english, it seems only one woman has published extensive studies of the village. Anyway, it was at start status when it was first reviewed. I was wondering whether there was any chance of a GA status. I'm still reading up on Chukotka and spent several weeks there last year so thought it would be a good idea to focus on one article to get some sort of critcism that I could take to other articles. I'd like to take this to peer review, but have built the article after reading numerous academic articles so if you could provide feedback on this I think it would help me out a lot on expanding a lot of the remaining CAO articles. I don't want to do the same thing to a number of articles but be heading in the wrong direction. Thanks in advance. Fenix down (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Funny you should mention this one, because I added it to my review list just a couple days ago :) I'll try to take a good look at it in the next week or two. But I must say, for a half-dead village in the Extreme North of Russia, the number of sources you've been able to dig up is truly amazing. I'm sure some cleanup will be required, but with this amount of material (and considering the obscureness of the topic) the article should easily pass the GA requirements (although putting it through a peer review first should indeed lay way for other articles you worked on). Thank you ever so much for your interest in this subject and for the amount of effort you put in! I only wish we could order the likes of yourself in triplicate :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 13:18 (UTC)

As promised, I gave that article a read and made a few changes (which are by no means exhaustive). My overall impression is unchanged—the article has lots and lots of good material, addressing the verifiability and broad coverage requirements of GACR in spades. However, I've also noticed some problems with readability. The amount of material is great, but there seems to be a fair amount of repetition, jumping back and forth, restating the same fact more than once, and other similar things. I revised the Prehistory and Soviet history sections to show what I mean. In other words, the article is a great first draft, but I'm afraid it might fail the "well-written" criterion of GAN if nominated in its present state.

I will be more than happy to assist with copyediting, but you should probably go through the article as well (perhaps after taking a short break so you could read it on a fresh head), since at this point you are the person most familiar with what the sources say. After the readability concern is addressed, I think the article has a very good chance of passing GAN.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2012; 16:46 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the copy-ed process. i have had another look at it after a break and have made some significant changes, mainly merging the economy and history sections partly because they did contain a lot of duplicated information and partly because as a settlement founded to deal with an economic need, it is difficult to separate them without duplicating information. If you have a chance to have another read sometime and let me know whether it is in a worthwhile state to send to peer review I would be grateful. Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! I'll probably get to it after the holiday weekend. Thanks again!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 29, 2012; 13:47 (UTC)

Settlements in republics

In Russian Wikipedia, lists of settlements by size are widely used in articles about republics, see example: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабардино-Балкария#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.81.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.91.D0.BD.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.BF.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.BA.D1.82.D1.8B Is there a reason why we should not use these lists here? PANONIAN 21:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you are trying to list them by size, then perhaps labeling them as "most populous", instead of "main" would make more sense? "Main" sounds too vague, to me at least. As for the list being a part of the Demographics section, that's actually a good idea.

I don't really object to having those lists all that strongly, but I just can't shake off the feeling of redundancy and clutter when I see them (including in the Russian Wikipedia). A sentence listing, say, top five most populous places is a good addition to either Demographics or Administrative divisions section, but the minute details fit better in a subarticle. The fewer tables with stats we have in top-level articles, the better. The "Vital stats" sections are particularly horrible—I can imagine them being useful in an article dedicated to demographics of a republic, but on the top level they are nothing but clutter. There's a lot to be said for a well-placed concise summary :)

Regarding the actual population figures, perhaps listing the final 2010 Census population figures would be a better choice for this? The Gazeteer marks the 2012 figures as "calculation", and it's not really clear how they arrived to those numbers. What do you think?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 21:42 (UTC)

Well, I just added another list here: [1] (I used description "most populous" as you proposed and 2010 census numbers from Russian Wikipedia). We may not agree whether these settlement lists are useful or not, but I think that they are very useful (demographics is one of my main interests and lists of cities or ethnic groups by size are very important by my opinion). Of course, if you think that these lists do not belong into main republic articles, I would not object that they are moved to sub-articles. However, I think that we definitely should have these lists somewhere. PANONIAN 21:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected some spelling/links and gave precise population numbers for the KBR list.

Regarding the demographics, I'm not saying that it shouldn't be covered :) I'm saying that all those lists would better belong in something like demographics of the Kabardino-Balkar Republic etc., instead on the top level where they are of interest only to a small portion of the readers and a clutter to the rest. There, a short summary is all that's needed, really. And if demographics is a topic you are mostly interested in, perhaps you'd consider starting working on the "demographics of..." series of articles? That would certainly be quite neat! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 22:01 (UTC)

OK, but, currently I do not have enough free time to create such detailed demographics articles. At this moment, I mostly work on maps and some demographic data related to ethnicities and sizes of the cities. In the future, I might do other things as well. PANONIAN 21:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but they don't have to be terribly detailed right from the start. Just a place to hold all those huge tables which are already there and a brief summary around them. But it's your call, of course.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 12:05 (UTC)

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Vandalism redux

Sad. --Ghirla^-трёп- 04:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Ghirla, old chum. Top o' the morning to you, too!

You know, for a guy whose main argument in a similar situation in the past was "if it's good enough for the Russian Wikipedia, it ought to be good here as well", you seem to be rather inconsistent in what you find "sad" these days.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 12:13 (UTC)

Administrative Divisions of Leningrad Oblast

The website where the were pages from the handbook of Administrative Divisions of Leningrad Oblast is dead (the domain registration not extended). The cache is still available, but it will be gone pretty soon. What are we going to do? I used it heavily for Pskov and Vologda Oblasts. For Pskov Oblast, we have apparently the same info, though the site does not look trustworthy, but for the west of Vologda Oblast I have no idea what we are going to refer to.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, crud! I hate when something like that happens. But by the looks of it, if it's just the domain that has expired, perhaps the resource is not yet lost (if they renew it soon).

For doing actual work, I did save that website for local reference—I'll be happy to email it to you if you need it. And as far as the refs already in place go, there really isn't much we can do there. Since the source is obviously valid and reliable, I suggest we just strip the links and leave the bibliographic information in place (with a note that the original text came from a website which is no longer available, per WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT).

I also have a couple of (actual paper) books on the administrative divisions of Leningrad and Vologda Oblasts, although they are more convoluted and generic that the online source that went south. I should be able to verify some things with their help, though, so please don't hesitate to ask.

As for the druzhkovka site, I also have that book in paper format, so if you use that site for your work, I should be able to verify everything in the actual book. If we do that, then it's probably unnecessary to cite the druzhkovka cite at all as giving bibliographic information should be sufficient.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 14:42 (UTC)

Thanks. We probably need to wait a couple of weeks before replacing all links. (I do not believe the site will be available at the same address again). Concerning the druzhkovka site, they seem to be pretty informative. It would be great to have the page numbers if we site the book, but here probably the best course of action for me would be to finish all districts of Pskov Oblast + the administrative divisions, and then to ask you to check references (probably sometime in the fall, right now I am about 30% done).--Ymblanter (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was going to suggest the same thing—we should certainly not rush into changing the refs right away. As for the Pskov Oblast plan, sounds good to me. Just let me know when you need me back there (and no, I have not forgotten that I also promised to work on the dates in Novgorod Oblast districts). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 14:52 (UTC)

Gazimursky Zavod

Greetings. Can you add the data to this? Will try to source it later unless you can.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How's this for a start?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 16:49 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. I do miss the green color of the infoboxes though, seemed more suitable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I do too. But apparently it was that green color that hypnotized some folks into thinking that the whole template is "horrible", because the complaints stopped immediately after the color had been changed :) But hey, the districts are still green! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 17:02 (UTC)

I used to think that too but I gradually came to think of the green as "Russian" for some reason. The generic blue on the nav boxes is enough,..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's the thing. Blue is too generic these days. I'm all for standardization, but when everything is blue, it starts looking kind of monotonous. A little color coding never killed anybody :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 17:08 (UTC)

Istra, Istrinsky District, Moscow Oblast hatnote

FYI: Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Istra. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ezhiki. Congratulations for taking a stand at WT:DAB. I especially agree with this:

See, your argument is strictly in terms of Wikipedia infrastructure. The readers, however, reach our articles from all sorts of external places and aren't necessarily familiar with Wikipedia's rigid arbitrary rules of disambiguation upon arrival, or know which title can be considered ambiguous and which can't be (and it's not like we are consistent, anyway). Do a google search for "Istra", "Istra, Russia", or "Istra, Moscow Oblast", for example, and imagine yourself in a position of a reader who is searching for a smaller Istra but isn't aware that another, larger, Istra exists nearby.

It is remarkable how the discussion there is insulated from the real world, in which real people are searching by real means for real information through Google – or whatever means they find available, some of which I have never yet seen mentioned by these "experts" on WP titling.

For now I have given up on that forum, along with WT:TITLE and all RM discussions. Typically these ignore any argument based on how people actually find their way to WP content. Life is too short. I may come back; we'll see. Meanwhile, thanks for continuing the debate. Do not accept assertions that the existing provisions at WP:DAB and WP:TITLE are "consensual". History shows otherwise. Check modifications to those provisions by notable closers of RMs and other "algorithmic activists"; and see if any wide conclusive discussion can be found to support them.

A well-organised community review is overdue, for all WP titling and disambiguation arrangements.

Best wishes,

Noetica^Tea? 00:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Noetica! I don't believe we've ever communicated before, have we? Thank you for your supportive note. That the majority of the disambiguation guidelines are not actually built on consensus is hardly a surprise to me—on a few occasions I bothered to check some of the standing provisions, they had all been adopted by a "consensus" of a group of one to half a dozen people, who usually are, unsurprisingly enough, the folks running WP:DAB and its surroundings. Of course, one could always argue that the lack of opposition to those guidelines is in itself an indication of consensus, but upon some observation, that lack is more likely to the fact that regular people avoid WT:DAB like a plague :) I'm not a fan of posting there myself, because each time I go there, it's like arguing with a telemarketer who's reading from a script. Which is a pity, because while the disambiguation guidelines aren't all that important, they are still mighty useful. It's often not even the guidelines themselves which are a problem; it's the total lack of flexibility in their interpretation. A thorough community review could indeed do those guidelines much good. Perhaps I'll even start planning one; this got to return to normalcy at some point! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 20, 2012; 13:28 (UTC)

That's right, we've never interacted before.
Many thoughtful editors are becoming concerned with how the DAB and TITLE provisions have drifted from practicality to a kind of hermetically sealed Wikimicrocosm. Let's keep in touch, and see what might eventually be achieved through wider community involvement, yes? More later!
Noetica^Tea? 00:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely; please don't hesitate to contact me if anything! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2012; 14:37 (UTC)

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Здравствуйте. Пытаемся на Викискладе восстановить источник, время создания и/или подтвердить авторство (предполагается Prokudin-Gorsky) данного файла (ибо напрямую в коллекции найти не получается). Не могли бы вы посмотреть в удалённой историки в en-wikipedia, есть ли там какие-нибудь внешние источники или иная информация, которая могла бы помочь доопределить сведения о файле. Alex Spade (talk) 11:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Тут файл был загружен в июле 2005 г. участником Ghirlandajo, который в описании изначально указал, что это фотография Горского, но затем сразу же это описание удалил. Через несколько месяцев фотография была помещена в категорию фотографий Прокудина-Горского участником Hellbus, а в октябре 2006 г. добавлена в Category:Images of Uzbekistan участником Aelfthrytha. Рекомендую спросить у них. Больше ничего полезного в удалённой истории нет.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 28, 2012; 23:11 (UTC)

Administrative divisions of the Republic of Mordovia

The Republic of Mordovia is Mordovia. This was discussed at length at Talk:Republic of Adygea#Requested move. For consistency's sake, Mordovia should be used across all articles unless there is a really good reason not to (I can imagine a few.) Marcus Qwertyus 23:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Marcus! Thanks for your comment.

To cut to the chase, I am aware of that particular RM, having been a participant there myself. And while I still mostly disagree with the outcome, I'm able to make my peace with it; at least for now :) In reference to this situation, however, I guess where I quite disagree is that the outcome of that RM means that any reference of "republic of" must be purged from every and all of our articles.

Guideline-wise, the names of places of Russia are covered by WP:NC:CITY#Russia, the examples in which utilize the full name of the federal subjects, which I should add, is how it had been customarily done for years before that guideline was formalized. That guideline had to a degree been influenced by WP:NCCS, which states that it is useful for all divisions of the same type in the same country to share the same article title format. As applied to this situation, when a place name is ambiguous with other place names in Russia, it is disambiguated by the full name of the federal subject. That is a very consistent and least surprising approach; indeed, disambiguating by the short name of the federal subject is in most cases simply impossible. "Foo, Ryazan Oblast", for example, has a completely different connotation than "Foo, Ryazan" would (the former implies a locality in Ryazan Oblast, while the latter would be used for a locality subordinated to the city of Ryazan). Even with the republics it is impossible to always use a shorter name: "Foo, Karelia", for example, is not unambiguous (since the Russian Republic of Karelia is a part of a bigger area called Karelia), and something like "Foo, Komi" would create more confusion than clarity.

Regarding the edit summary you left for most of your moves ("common name"), the titles you moved the articles to are not really "common names". And while "Makarovka, Republic of Mordovia" is definitely not a common name for that place, neither is "Makarovka, Mordovia". The only common name for it is "Makarovka", which, however, cannot be used because it is shared by more than one place. So in the end it boils down just to a selection of a disambiguator, not to "common names". And "Mordovia" isn't just the Republic of Mordovia; it's also the Mordovian ASSR, as well as the entities which preceded it.

I hope this provides enough of "a few reasons" for you to reconsider, although this is by no means an exhaustive list of all my concerns. Like any person who extensively worked on one topic for a long time, I can pinpoint a great number of reasons why things are done the way they are. Shorter disambiguators may seem like a good idea on the surface, but once you start digging deeper, it becomes more apparent why using them eventually results in an inconsistent system which ultimately confuses more than it helps. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2012; 13:57 (UTC)

Privyet from Putinland!

Nice to meet you! I fear we're prohibited to use Russian here:) Thus, about business:D I'd like to consult you: where could I learn to use Russian phonemic symbols? Sometimes, it seems desirable to show something here on the English Wiki. I'll be watching you;) JLincoln (talk) 15:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Josh! Nice to meet you too. I see you have no problems communicating in English :) but do feel free to use Russian on my talk page if it's easier for you for some reason. It's only considered to be bad tone on the pages outside user space or when talking about someone else.

To answer your question, your best bet is probably the Russian phonology article. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 3, 2012; 16:05 (UTC)

Thanks:) JLincoln (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:IPA for Russian: исправил там кое-что. А то похоже, там писал человек, эмигрировавший из СССР ещё при Дедушке:D JLincoln (talk) 13:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Я в IPA не силён, так что спасибо за помощь!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 4, 2012; 14:32 (UTC)

The issue's not about IPA itself — rather about phonology. They should clearly appreciate the difference between phonetics and phonology. The latter nominally considers the finite set of "model sounds" of a language in the same way as orthography considers the alphabet:) JLincoln (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A good reminder; thanks. I'm not a linguist by a long shot, but I've always been fascinated with the field. It's always great to have one more of you around :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 4, 2012; 15:11 (UTC)

May I ask you one more question?
How to make your signature (~~~~) show something more than just your name? JLincoln (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. If you go to your preferences, there's a "Signature" section on the "User profile" tab (the very first one), and you can modify your signature in the "Signature" box there. Just make sure to test it out before you start using it :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 4, 2012; 14:32 (UTC)

Thanks again:) JLincoln (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it doesn't offer any "fields": I mean it's now "JLincoln (talk) - both linked; but there's only a plain box there...

And anyway, I thought of something formatted: some users' signatures contain upper or lower 'indexes', etc. And I doubt if there'll be preserved both the links - to the main and talk pages - the way you've shown... M? JLincoln (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Глянь, чё пишут: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:83.149.8.194&redirect=no :D Josh83.149.8.194 (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, on the talk pages of the editors involved it's OK. But since you are logged out, it's impossible for a third party to determine whether the IP belongs to one of us or not, hence the warning. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 7, 2012; 20:29 (UTC)

I still don't understand

I am sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem with my articles is. Please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anfield2012 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean the Rostest article? In that one, while you listed your sources in the "References" section, it is still unclear what it is they reference in the article. Ideally, all major statements in an article should be individually referenced. Take the very first sentence (Rostest is the largest organization of practical metrology and certification on the territory of the Russian Federation), for example. It's impossible to tell which of the sources in the references section support this statement, without having to dig through each and every one of them. Same goes for pretty much all the rest of the article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 3, 2012; 20:01 (UTC)

Vozdvizhenka

Would you be able to put the Vozdvizhenka disambig article on your translation list? I need to translate the article on the air base, and when the disambig article is created the full list of rural localities should be listed. Hope your 12 is going well and you're happy with Putinland's Olympic achievements !! Buckshot06 (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, those "achievements" are simply painful to watch! Luckily, to ease the pain, NBC does not indulge much in showing events in which the US team is not a participant, so I can catch only glimpses of the Russian athletic path to... whatever it is they are moving to :)

I've created a set index for your enjoyment, and as for the translation, do you mean translating this article? I don't usually like translating unsourced articles, and the only sources for this one are what looks like aviation fan sites and a dead link. Do you perchance have something more reliable?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 7, 2012; 13:47 (UTC)

Thanks. No, I mean the translation of ru:Воздвиженка, which you appear to have done most of with Vozdvizhenka (rural locality). Awesome list - emphasises the sheer *size* of your country! I will translate and clean up and source the airbase article. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that. It's no problem. Since I now have them all in one database, creating such lists takes three minutes tops. And once the referencing engine is added, I'll be unstoppable :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 7, 2012; 20:40 (UTC)

Does your set index cover all the Vozdvizhenkas on the ru disambig page? If not, could you add them to the main en disambig page? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It covers all inhabited localities by this name which currently exist. The Russian disambig also lists a couple places which either have been abolished or are unverifiable (and likely incorrect).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 8, 2012; 14:32 (UTC)

Thanks very much Ezhiki. The changes in the VVS in 2009 have created the need for some double-checking. You and I both know that military organisations do not tend to move whole units with large numbers of expensive pieces of equipment half-way across the country to completely new bases, but this appears to be what has happened. There's a new Dalniaya Aviatsiya base, seemingly at ru:Средний (Иркутская область), with, it seems, the 6952nd or 6953rd Aviation Base. Would you please mind running a couple of quick websearches for news stories in the Russian internet to confirm that Tupolev bomber aircraft were moved to this page in late 2009/early 2010, and then pointing me to the news stories? Once I have the stories I can confirm and translate things, but it's quite hard for me to run proper websearches in Russian as I do not know the right cases and suffixes to append to the search terms. Many thanks, Buckshot06 (talk) 23:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC) it's Belaya (air base). Buckshot06 (talk) 02:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delayed response—I was traveling (and it took longer than I expected). Is there anything you still want me to do about this one?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2012; 15:11 (UTC)

Volochanka

Hope Herr Hedgehog is well. Can you add the population data to this? Spotted it on my world wall map.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is unfortunately too small. The 2010 Census data released so far only include the localities with the population of at least 3,000; smaller ones are only included if they serve as the district administrative centers. The 2010 figure you had seems to be an estimate; I've added a source to back it up (it also contains a bunch of older population stats for this place).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2012; 15:26 (UTC)

List of Russian people

Can you take a look at this: User talk:Greyhood#nonsense on a Russian page? The size of the list makes navigation and editing a real issue, and there are still entries at the bottom in need of biographical notes. INeverCry 19:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a reasonable proposition to me, although I personally am not very fond of titling the pages "Part 1" and "Part 2". Perhaps it would make sense to split it into topical sections instead (using the headers already in the list)? The lists, after all, are only going to grow.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2012; 19:32 (UTC)

I suggested part 1 and part 2 for simplicity; it would be relatively easy to do as well. As for topical splits, we already have the List of Russian artists, List of Russian explorers, and lists of inventors, writers, poets, etc. These topical lists are quite extensive, and so the List of Russian people basically serves as a summary of the most notable entries from these topical lists. INeverCry 19:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK, I forgot about the existing lists. But on that note, if the main list is only supposed to include most notable individuals, perhaps it would be simpler to cull it further? Splitting it into two parts kind of encourages to add more people, and eventually we'll end up with two unwieldy lists...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2012; 19:50 (UTC)

Excellent point. Cutting the list would be the best solution. I could make cuts to the art and sports related sections, but the religion, politics, and science-related sections would most likely require the attention of you and/or Greyhood. It looks like atleast 50 to 75k of text would have to be cut to remedy the loading issues, and even then it would be pretty big. I just want this list to be more accessable for everyone, as it really is an important part of WP:RU and could be something of a flagship article. I'll link Grey to this, and we'll see what he thinks about it. INeverCry 20:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's wait till GH can get his ass over here :) Myself, I can most certainly help with some sections. It would be a good opportunity to synchronize the main list with the topical lists, too, making sure that no one important is missing from either side. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2012; 20:23 (UTC)

We've knocked off 25k from the list so far. The military section still greatly outweighs all other sections, the explorers section is a bit big as well. There are more cuts all over that can be made. One idea is to get rid of entries with only small stub articles, unless the person is obviously important. I'm done for today, but I'd still like to try and get the list under 200k. INeverCry 19:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning to review one section a day starting tomorrow, starting with the sections you asked about above. Hopefully the list will be of manageable size by the time we are done.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 16, 2012; 20:03 (UTC)

Rostislav Yaroslavich

I can't seem to find any copied content in this article. Can you please point it out to me? Theleftorium ^(talk) 21:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Henrik! This article was one of the several listed on this page which I reviewed. There were some articles listed there which I marked as copyvio (due to either verbatim repetition or too close of a paraphrase), and some others, like Oleg Yaroslavich, which were more or less OK but needed to be further paraphrased. I remember working on the Rostislav Yaroslavich article and some other one on the same day, and apparently what happened is that I mixed these two articles up. I can't find the other one in my edit history at all, which probably means that I previewed it but forgot to save, and it seems that the copyvio tag intended for that article ended up in Rostislav Yaroslavich. Ugh, what a mess...

I've reviewed Rostislav Yaroslavich again, just to be on the safe side, and the narrative seems to be OK copyright-wise. The article is still overly reliant on just one source, but that, of course, is a problem of an entirely different sort. Also, I'm unable to find some statements in the source at all (such as, for example, the 1192 expedition). Anyway, I've reverted the tag since it was misapplied; hope this resolves the matter. Thank you much for digging this up and bringing to my attention!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 20, 2012; 13:53 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything! :) Theleftorium ^(talk) 20:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. In such matters it's always best to have more than one pair of eyes! :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 20, 2012; 20:24 (UTC)

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Don't know what you are talking about, but thanks all the same! :)))—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 24, 2012; 20:07 (UTC)

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I'll take a look. I do have my doubts that she was born in a river, though :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2012; 14:11 (UTC)

Former districts

There is perhaps one thing we should discuss. I noticed that yesterday you started to move the info on abolished districts out of the articles, like this. Whereas I understand your reasoning - indeed, to the article on Krestetsky District only the info that Mstinsky District was merged into it at some point really belongs, and the rest should go into the (not yet written) article on Mstinsky district. On the other hand, writing articles on abolished districts is not a high priority for any of us, and it is unlikely they will be created, at least more than on a stub level, in the coming decade. These districts existed on lands currently belonging to te current districts (and ths is why I decided to include them in the articles in the first place). I would prefer to keep this info for now and only remove/shorten it once the articles are created, but I am obviously open for discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 01:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, after having edited a few chunks out yesterday and not really feeling comfortable about doing it, I was going to solicit your opinion today as well, but you beat me to it :) All in all, I'm of several minds about this. You are right, of course, that the abolished districts aren't really a priority now. On the other hand, when I was going through Murmansk Oblast, I was dumping the abolished districts' materials into separate articles anyway—nothing fancy (no infoboxes etc.), just to have it all in one place, making sure those articles have a beginning and an end (see, for example, the articles on Saamsky and Teribersky Districts). But then, for Murmansk Oblast doing so is relatively easy, since there aren't all that many abolished districts to cover. With Novgorod or Vologda Oblasts, it takes probably as much, if not more, work to cover the abolished districts as it takes to cover the modern ones. On yet another hand :), it pains me to no end to see barely relevant information in articles about something else. The only relevance of Mstinsky District to Krestetsky District, for example, is that the former was merged into, and later split out of the latter, so it just feels wrong to go into all those details about the events which happened in Mstinsky District when it was a separate entity. Argh!

As a compromise, how do you feel about doing both things at once: I'll incorporate the relevant bits from the paragraphs about the abolished districts into the main text (as I did in Krestetsky District), but we'll retain your prose as well, but move it into a subsection of "History". This way when we finally get to writing the articles about the abolished districts, the subsections can serve as the starting point, yet removing them then wouldn't affect the articles about the existing districts much. What do you think?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 28, 2012; 13:38 (UTC)

This is fine as an intermediate solution indeed, until we start writing articles on abolished districts (if this ever happens).--Ymblanter (talk) 15:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dregelsky District

I checked again, and page 152 of Snytko et al says the Lyubytinsky District was formed in 1964 from Borovichsky and Pestovsky (agricultural?) Districts, and that it was composed of the former Lyubytinsky and Dregelsky Districts. I am currently sitting in a hotel at the Incheon International Airport and have no access to the maps, but I hope this info should be sufficient to clear the issue somehow and remove the tag.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have another look, thanks. Have a safe flight!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 29, 2012; 14:02 (UTC)

OK, found it. It's actually on page 221 (of the book, not the pdf), and the reason I couldn't find it is because it doesn't mention Dregelsky District by name, but rather refers to its nine selsoviets.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 29, 2012; 17:20 (UTC)

Saw it, thanks again.--Ymblanter (talk) 23:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Severouralsk

Hi:-) i added town template to Severouralsk but im not sure about the administrative divisions info so maybe you can give a touch to it. and i remind you about adding maps to Svobodny district and Shimanovsk district, because now they are the territory of the Vostochny Cosmodrome so i think they should be mapped well. Best Regrads, Superzohar Talk 08:49, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sverdlovsk Oblast has one of the most convoluted structures in Russia, so no wonder :) I'm planning to do a holistic sweep of Sverdlovsk Oblast articles at some point in the (hopefully not-too-distant) future; I'll take care of Severouralsk then as well.

Regarding Shimanovsky and Svobodnensky Districts, like I said before, I'm not very good with maps (and it seems no maps are available in ru_wiki still). I agree 100% they should be mapped; it's just that there doesn't seem to be anybody willing/able to do this. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 5, 2012; 16:53 (UTC)

Richter or Rikhter?

Which one is the correct transliteration form of the name (Святослав) Рихтер to English: Richter or Rikhter ? --WPK (talk) 01:36, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't remove the Todo text

Don't remove the Todo text, as you did in Elista. Prior to the Russian colonization of Kalmykia Todo was the official text in Kalmykia.

Similar cases include the article Lhasa: not only is the Native text (Tibetan/Todo) presented, but it also comes before the national-wide/fedrational-wide official language (Chinese/Russian) since Wikipedia is not a place for Chinese/Russian nationalism. --110.232.42.147 (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The importance of the name in languages other than English/Russian/local official language should be obvious from the text of the article. Unlike the Lhasa article, the article about Elista currently does not mention Todo at all, so the reason for having the name in that language is not obvious to the reader, which is why I removed it. Also note that when you revert someone's changes, you need to make sure you revert only the portion you disagree with (and in this case your revert affected parts unrelated to your grievance).

I've restored the parts of my edit which should not have been reverted and retained the Todo text, albeit relegating it to a footnote. Once the importance of that text is made clear in the article, you are welcome to restore it to the lede sentence.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2012; 15:16 (UTC)

Not like what you said, neither is Tibetan script mentioned in Lhasa at all. It's not require to mention Todo script in the article and I added it simply because it's a Native name, which going first. --110.232.42.147 (talk) 16:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In contrast to Lhasa, Elista was never located in any area using the Todo script, therefore the analogy is incorrect. It was founded hundred years after what you call Russian colonization of Kalmykia. Please open an RFC.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- - - No! They used Todo until Soviets forced them to use Latin and Cyrillic. Why you reverse truth and lie? Till now there's full of Todo script in temples in Elista. --110.232.42.147 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - See this. See the prayer whell in the pagoda --110.232.42.147 (talk) 16:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      I suggest that in the future, you refrain from personal attacks. The oldest surviving Buddist temple in Elista was built in the 1990s. I can only repeat the suggestion to open an RFC, since there are at least two users who object to adding the Todo script to the lede.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - I actually find it quite amusing to be called (or implied to be) a "nationalist" for a change. That's a nice break from being called a "traitor", a "turncoat", a "liberal scum", and a "hater of Russia" :) I do agree, however, that having the name in the Todo script is hardly necessary given the condition the article is in, and if it is retained, the best place for it is in the footnote. It's not such a critical piece of information that it needs to be conveyed to all readers, most of whom wouldn't even recognize what it is (and the article won't help them identify it either).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2012; 17:00 (UTC)
Ditto that. Also, it's not the script that needs to be explained, but rather why its presence is important. The Lhasa article has a passage dealing with the Tibetan portion of history; that's more than sufficient to justify having the name in Tibetan. The article on Elista has nothing of the sort (and as Yaroslav above correctly noted, the city was founded much later anyway).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2012; 16:10 (UTC)
The Elista article has a passage dealing with the Kalmyk portion of history. --110.232.42.147 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
...which is enough to justify having the name of the city in Kalmyk (of course, the fact that Kalmyk is a co-official language in the republic is itself sufficient for that as well). Modern Kalmyk, however, is written in Cyrillic script, not in Todo or Latin. The purpose of the infobox and the lede is to provide the names in the modern languages using modern scripts—it's no more a place for a Todo script spelling than it is for spelling in pre-reform Russian! The lede is usually a little more flexible, but still, including variants of the Kalmyk name in a script that hasn't been in public use for almost a century in a language 99.999% of the readers can't read is just piling up clutter (having it in a footnote is actually a pretty decent compromise). And lest you think my approach is too radical, there are editors who would relegate to "clutter" the spellings in any language other than English and would move the whole "foreign spellings" part to a footnote.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2012; 17:00 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Adamovsky

Hello Ezhiki,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Adamovsky for deletion, because it doesn't seem to have any encyclopedic content.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Adamovka

Hello Ezhiki,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Adamovka for deletion, because it doesn't seem to have any encyclopedic content.

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Contested and overturned; rightly so. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 18, 2012; 17:46 (UTC)

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Sss.jpg

Can you help with the request at "commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright#Sss.jpg"? Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 18:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I already responded over there.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Yaroslav!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2012; 23:40 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kola Peninsula

The article Kola Peninsula you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. There are some minor changes or clarifications which need to be addressed before the article can be passed. See Talk:Kola Peninsula for issues. Good luck and happy editing! --Tea with toast (話) 19:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've responded there.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 24, 2012; 16:45 (UTC)

Mélésville

Hello. Please change the name of the acticle incorrect Mélésville to correct Mélesville. Lawrentia (talk) 14:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2012; 23:41 (UTC)

Danilovsky District

I appreciate the effort that you put into the Danilovsky District disambiguation page. I particularly like the maps, except that Moscow is hard to see. However, have you read Wikipedia:Disambiguation? In particular you might want to look at the References section. --Bejnar (talk) 01:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Bejnar! That page is actually a set index article, not a dab (and is categorized accordingly). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 02:01 (UTC)

I see that it is marked as a set index page, but I fail to see that it qualifies as such, since the only feature that they seem to share is that they all derive from the masculine form of the name Daniel. It is not like a car series where there is the opportunity to discuss a host of shared characteristics. Also the footnotes seem to go to the individual districts and not to the shared features. Have I misunderstood set index articles? --Bejnar (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That the names of those districts all derive from the same first name is not the defining characteristic of a set index. The only things that matter are that the items listed are all of the same type (in this case, districts) and that they share the same name (Danilovsky). It's the same principle as in the mountains example. As for the references, as everywhere else in Wikipedia, they are supposed to source the statements being made; nothing more, nothing less. Just because we are dealing with a list does not mean that side statements can remain unsourced.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 03:11 (UTC)

If they were all named after the same person, I could understand the set, like discussing all of the Leningrads together because they were all named after the same man. But that does not seem to be the case here. Simply sharing the same name cannot be a valid criteria, otherwise any disambiguation page that someone wanted to drop a footnote to could be relabeled as a set index page. --Bejnar (talk) 03:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, that doesn't really follow. If you add a footnote to a disambig page, all you'll have is a disambig page with a footnote, not a set index :) And while after years of asking I'm yet to hear anyone coherently explain why having references on dab pages is a bad thing, it is true that the current guidelines recommend against including them.

That said, I refer you back to the definition of a set index: it's a list article about a set of items of a specific type that share the same (or similar) name. There is no requirement to have a unifying reason behind that shared name; the fact that all entities on the list simply share it is sufficient. That's because the purpose of a set index is both encyclopedic and navigational. On a dab page which lists, say, a settlement, a spacecraft, and a Polynesian dish, all of which happen to have the same name, it is enough to specify the type of the entity for the reader to be able to make an informed choice and navigate to the article being sought. But when one is faced with a list of entities of the same type which share the same name, that's where a bare-bone disambig becomes pretty useless and set indices, which can contain additional relevant metadata, come into play.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 13:29 (UTC)

Maps are acceptable on a disambiguation page, even single sentences like Moreno means "brown" is Spanish ... are quite common and acceptable. The problem here is that you do not include anything that is encyclopedic about the so-called set. In order to justify a set index page there has to be something encyclopedic about the set, not just identificational. --Bejnar (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is the sourced information about jurisdiction and administrative/municipal status "not encyclopedic"? These are the two primary attributes of a district in Russia! That they also help in identification is just a happy coincidence. Note also how all three districts are administrative, but only two have a municipal aspect. Having that referenced in a set index sure beats opening each individual article and figuring out which entity is of which kind.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 18:44 (UTC)

That is not encyclopedic about the set, that is normal distinction (this is different than that) information that is contained on a disambiguation page without footnotes and is confirmed on the article's page with footnotes. This article says nothing encyclopedic about the set and can say nothing encyclopedic about the set, since they really have nothing in common except that they are Russian districts with the same, or similar, names. If this article were about the places named after Lenin, then discussion of the milieu where the original re-naming took place and the various un-namings would be possible. There is no such encyclopedic topic in this case. How would you feel about moving this discussion (copying the above) to the Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation page so that we could get some outside perspective on this? --Bejnar (talk) 19:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Like I noted before, nowhere does it say that it has to be "encyclopedic about the set" (whatever you mean by that). Describing the two most important aspects of the included entities is informational enough (and I'd be all for including the coordinates and the administrative centers' information, which isn't something one could do on a disambig), and if doing additionally aids with navigation, great! Most sets don't even go that far (see, for example, USS Ability, Enygrus, Mud Lake (Alberta), or Iris West), and that's perfectly OK, because those pages still meet the definition of the set index.

Note also that the specifics of a set index layout/content is usually tasked to the WikiProject under the scope of which the set index falls, not to WikiProject Disambiguation (which explicitly disavows them from its scope, in bold).

At any rate, what I don't understand is what problem are you trying to solve? Do you believe that removing references and the bits which aren't allowed per MOSDAB and then re-classifying the page as a disambig is going to help more readers than the referenced set index we currently have in place? If so, how?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 19:31 (UTC)

The footnotes are visually distracting from the key information that allows a reader to quickly pick which item he or she is desirous of finding. --Bejnar (talk) 19:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Enabling readers to quickly pick an item is not the sole goal of the set indices (otherwise the whole concept would be redundant). The sets may contain information which allows readers to compare the entities being covered without leaving the page (and that includes red links, which are only useful with a description). Deciding which meta information is most useful is the job of the WikiProjects. And once a set index has an informational aspect, the information must be sourced, just like with any other article. Visual appeal concerns can never be more important than verifiability concerns, and footnotes are currently the only method we have in place for providing sources. Dabs, with their rigid and sometimes senseless restrictions, simply don't work well when one needs to pick an entry out of the list of entries of the same type (good luck finding the place you need on the Osceola (disambiguation) page if you don't know the state, for example!). That's where the set indices with their metadata come into play.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 20:40 (UTC)

I see that we are not going to agree about the appropriate nature of set index pages. See my suggestions at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. --Bejnar (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of a set index we have in place says what it says, and what it doesn't say, it doesn't say. No amount of us two discussing this situation can change that.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2012; 13:37 (UTC)

How would you feel about moving this discussion (copying the above) to the Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation page so that we could get some outside perspective on this? Do you have a better location? You pointed me to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Set_index_articles originally. --Bejnar (talk) 19:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think WP:Disambiguation is an appropriate location, not the least because the concept of set indices is mentioned on WP:SIA only in the context of exclusion and the buck is passed elsewhere (to the list articles guidelines and to individual WikiProjects). WT:RUSSIA is, of course, the most appropriate location, since that's the parent project for the page in question, but it's been quiet there lately, so I'm afraid it's going to be just me again :) WP:VPP or some such might be worth a try as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2012; 20:40 (UTC)

The issue isn't about Russia it is about the nature of set index pages vs. disambiguation, and although the project has disavowed set index pages, the definition remains at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and we are after all talking about the definition. WP:VPP would be possible, but it is PDG (pretty darned general). Regardless, I shall start a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation and mention this discussion in passing. --Bejnar (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To tell you the truth, my interest in set indices is strictly practical. There is work to be done, disambiguation pages do not work well for that kind of work and set indices do. That's pretty much all that really matters as far as I'm concerned. Sets about Russian districts fully conform with the current definition, as do hundreds of other pages in Category:Set indices. If you randomly click around that category, you'll have a hard time finding many pages which are "encyclopedic about the set"; they are all mostly just lists of items of the same type sharing the same name. That, to me, is a perfect illustration of what the consensus really is, even though it's not exactly well-documented.

As any other Wikipedian, you are, of course, fully entitled to challenging any standing policy or guideline or definition, but it seems to me that WP:Disambiguation is one of the worst possible places to hold such a discussion. That project explicitly disavows set indices as a concept, so no amount of discussion there can possibly change the definition. Only a wider community can do that. If VPP feels too general, you can always open an RfC. That way you'll at least get opinions of a wider audience, not just that of the disambiguation gnomes. But frankly, I just don't see the point. Are your visual appeal concerns so strong that stripping hundreds of sets of encyclopedic information and installing barebone disambigs in their place seems to be the best possible solution?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2012; 13:37 (UTC)

No, I propose for set index articles which do not add encyclopedic information above and beyond the articles linked, that there be a separate visually easy-choice disambiguation page which offers the set index page as the first choice, but allows readers to go directly to the articles without having to plow through a complex set index page to find what they already have a reasonable inking as to what they want. --Bejnar (talk) 19:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, based on the empiric evidence at hand, your proposal does not represent the implicit consensus, but it is, of course, still your right to submit it. Just consider that, if implemented the way you've described it, we will all have two nearly identical substructures to support (dabs and set indices). That's never a good idea. I, for one, have no interest in wasting my Wikipedia time on syncing two near-identical pages every time there's a change (which happens more often than one would think); I know for a fact no one else on WP:RUSSIA is interested in doing that; and based on my previous conversations on WP:Disambiguation, no one there seems to be super excited about tracking such changes and syncing them either. So, if your proposal is implemented, you'd better be ready to volunteer, or we'll simply have one giant mess on own hands :) On the flip side, adding a couple footnotes hardly makes a page so complex that one would have to "plow through it". Think about it, and best of luck to you.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2012; 19:52 (UTC)

Tersko-Orlovsky Mayak

Здравствуйте. Почему Вы переименовали статью? Ведь ОКАТО и устав ЗАТО использует именно название Терско-Орловский Маяк. --Insider (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Здравствуйте! Вы совершенно правы, это моя ошибка. Форма "Маяк Терско-Орловский" использовалась в Законе о муниципальных образованиях, но была затем поправлена, а я у себя забыл заменить. Я вернул статью обратно. Буду признателен, если вы прокомментируете также на странице обсуждения по поводу другого предложения по переименованию.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2012; 12:14 (UTC)

Прокомментировал, полностью тут согласен с вашим мнением. --Insider (talk) 12:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Plyussa

Could you pls have a look at the top of the template? Apparently, you changed smth, and now it not only wants a reference for an urban-type settlement (which is provided), but also for a work settlement. If you fix this, I will propagate the same solution to other urban-type settlements of Pskov Oblast which share the same problem. Btw I almost finished the districts and the district centers in Pskov Oblast, only Kunyinsky District and Kunya are left, and I will finish them in a couple of days. Then these articles could be checked and copyedited. Thanks in advance.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I haven't changed anything recently, but it's an easy fix. The top line refers to the broad category of a place, and it's always either "City" ("Town"), "Urban-type settlement", or "Rural locality". Ideally, that one shouldn't be sourced to OKATO, since the broad groups are normally defined in the federal subjects' laws on the administrative-territorial divisions. The term itself is specified by the "inhab_loc" parameter and referenced in "inhabloc_cat_ref".

The bottom line is the type, which is a specific term under one of those three categories (and that one varies wildly from one federal subject to another). Here, an ideal source would be the registry of the administrative-territorial divisions. However, this kind of document is not available in all federal subjects, so OKATO is often the second-best source to use for that. The term is specified by the "inhabloc_type" parameter and the source goes under "inhabloc_type_ref".

Pskov Oblast, however, has a somewhat unusual setup. Its law on the administrative-territorial divisions is very basic and does not even specify the categories of the inhabited localities, but it does specify available types (but without classifying them as "urban" or "rural", which is very atypical). There is no registry either: the law on the administrative-territorial divisions defers to the municipal composition laws (#419-oz for the districts and urban okrugs, and #420-oz for lower-level divisions and individual rural localities).

I haven't really thought of a good way to organize citations for district-level towns, urban-type settlements, and rural localities yet, but as an interim measure (for Pskov Oblast only) you can probably remove the values of inhabloc_cat and inhabloc_cat_ref altogether (which will result in showing a generic "inhabited locality" label without "citation needed", and move the OKATO ref to "inhabloc_type_ref" to source the type. Of course, if you come up with a better way to handle this, or if Pskovians expand the definitions in their administrative-territorial divisions law, that can always be changed later.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 17, 2012; 19:57 (UTC)

For work settlements and rural localities (though I believe we do not have a single article on rural localities in Pskov Oblast), this seems to be the only solution. For district-level towns, I do not know: OKATO I believe indicates them as towns belonging to the districts - isn't it the same as district-level towns?--Ymblanter (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we have a few. Old substubs, mostly, and, thankfully, without infoboxes.

I used "district-level towns" as a shorthand for towns of district significance. The OKATO indeed shows when a town is subordinated to a district (as opposed to being subordinated to the federal subject), but it does it the exact same way for every federal subject for the document organization purposes. But since the law on the administrative-territorial divisions of Pskov Oblast does not recognize the term "towns of district significance", I don't think it would be a good idea to use it explicitly. But it is probably OK to specify inhabloc_cat=Town, source it to the OKATO, and leave inhabloc_type blank. Not as clean a solution as I'd like to see, but should be workable. What do you think?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 17, 2012; 20:28 (UTC)

May be I just leave it as it is now. Starts getting too complicated. I think we better have a statement that smth is an urban-type settlement and an unsourced one that it is a work settlement, than no statement at all.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I seem to have missed a colon. Duh! Here's what the law on the administrative-territorial divisions (#833-oz) actually says (Article 5.1):

Населёнными пунктами области являются города, посёлки (в том числе посёлки городского типа: рабочие посёлки, курортные посёлки, дачные посёлки), сёла, деревни, хутора, местечки, станции, железнодорожные будки, железнодорожные казармы.

This explicitly states that the work settlements are a subtype of the urban-type settlements, and Law #420-oz lists them all as work settlements (there aren't any resort or suburban settlements). So I guess it's OK to source inhabloc_cat to #833, and inhabloc_type to #420-oz.

No such luck with the towns of district significance, though, so I stand by my previous recommendation.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 17, 2012; 20:43 (UTC)

I changed Plyussa, could you pls have a look when you have time. With towns your recipe seems to have already been implemented, see Gdov. For rural localities, I guess, for the time being we do not need infoboxes, though I will have a look at them. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd name the refs "PskovO_adm" and "PskovO_mun", if we are to use that setup in other articles, but otherwise it looks fine, at least for now. Thanks much!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 18, 2012; 16:45 (UTC)

Like this?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that's it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 18, 2012; 17:43 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I will amend the urban-type settlements now.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate if at some point you could have a look at the template of Strugi Krasnye, there is some mess over there I am not exactly sure how to clean up. The rest I have done.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please point me to the problem? I'm not sure what to look for... The template looks fine on the surface.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 18, 2012; 18:27 (UTC)

Is it correct that the municipal settlement is listed in both administrative and municipal parts? Are references in the administrative part correct?--Ymblanter (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, and not exactly :) The best way to reference Pskov Oblast's entities is by elaborating on the relation between the administrative and municipal divisions in each ref (with the actual laws being cited in the "Sources" section as before), but that's just too complicated for an interim solution. The law on the administrative-territorial divisions of Pskov Oblast specifies (albeit in very obtuse terms) that the oblast's administrative-territorial divisions are its municipal divisions ("административно-территориальные единицы области - структурные части территории области в границах, установленных законами области о границах муниципальных районов и городских округов", from Article 2), so, technically, this is what needs to be said in each administrative-territorial ref (doing so would explain why a municipal law is used as the ref for an administrative aspect). Also, for inhabloc_cat we could note that the general categories are specified in #833-oz, but the subtypes are spelled out in the municipal laws. But, again, since it's an interim solution, I think just giving the law numbers for now is fine.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 18, 2012; 19:09 (UTC)

Yes, I see. Thanks again.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for help

Hello! I have to ask for your admin help. User Galassi is doing an OR and POV-pushing in Little Russia. He's simply deleted five times in a row the text with the reference to a dedicated academic work, which he dislikes. In other words he substitutes accepted science for his personal OR. So I sincerely ask you: 1) To prevent his next deletions of the text if it happens; 2) If he still continues doing this, to make some actions as an admin (though his ban or something else is not my goal here). Thanks in advance!--Luboslov Yezykin (talk) 06:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've summarized the situation on the talk page and protected the article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 18, 2012; 16:46 (UTC)

regional/gubernatorial elections

Hi! i noticed the Russian regional elections, 2012 and Russian gubernatorial elections, 2012 touch in duplicate issues. what to do? Superzohar Talk 15:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see a problem with retaining both. If significant duplication occurs, then some pieces can be removed, but so far that hasn't happened.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 22, 2012; 13:13 (UTC)

RussBot

Please unblock User:RussBot. I will not run the script that creates redirects until I have addressed the issue you identified. (It would be helpful, however, if you could point me to specific examples.) However, the bot runs other jobs as well, so it would be appreciated if you could allow it to do those. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly; the bot is now unblocked. As for the examples, Krasnoarmeysky District, Russia (disambiguation) (which I've deleted) is one and Prigorodny District (disambiguation) (which I haven't yet) is another; there are quite a few more. Thanks for the quick response!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 22, 2012; 14:39 (UTC)

FYI, I've found that the way Pywikipediabot was identifying disambiguation pages had a major bug, which I've now fixed. I'll run the bot manually for a while before the next automated run to make sure there are no further problems. Thanks for the report! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking into this! But is there an easy way to undo those edits using the bot? I tried fixing them manually, but there are just too many of them, I ain't no bot, and the task gets tiring really fast :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 23, 2012; 14:14 (UTC)

Not exactly easy, but ... I've decided to just roll back all the edits from the last bot run, and delete all the new redirects created (as long as the page hasn't been edited since the bot touched it), and then I'll run the bot again, manually, to make sure it doesn't repeat the same errors. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, manual cleanup is what I tried to do (and quickly ran out of steam :)) Whether you have enough patience to go through it or not, I want you to know that your efforts are appreciated!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 23, 2012; 15:50 (UTC)

Cherlak

Уважаемые Ezhiki! Unlike some editors, I do appreciate very much your creation of numerous disambig pages full of red links; I quite agree that theses lists of homonymous toponyms add value. But I have a quibble about naming them. Is this an example of our rules been stronger than our common sense? (Much like we had with Vanino some years back, methinks). It seems to me that the article about Cherlak, Cherlaksky District, Omsk Oblast ought to be simply Cherlak, while the disambig page (which, besides the main Cherlak town, only has red links) should be Cherlak (disambiguation). Think of it:

Cherlak the town ("work settlement"; incidentally, the locals, strangely enough, say that "r.p." stand for rayonny posyolok rather than rabochiy posyolok, although that's probably not an official term) is obviously as "primary meaning" as it gets.
Cherlak, Tatarsky Rural Okrug, Cherlaksky District, Omsk Oblast is the station named after the town. Basically, the railway in those parts runs quite a ways (50 km) from the town, so the (tiny) station serving the town and the district happens to be shown as a separate populated place on maps. If we ever create a separate article on the station, it probably can be better called Cherlak (station); note also that the district name in Cherlak, Cherlaksky District, Omsk Oblast isn't even a good disambiguator, since the station is in the same district anyway.
The two villages in Bashkiria and Sverdlovsk Oblast are much smaller than the Cherlak in Omsk oblast (which is positively huge as far as "work settlements" go); they both together probably don't have even a few per cent of the "primary" Cherlak's population.

The above means that practically anyone who may conceivably look for Cherlak will look for the "primary" one. Just MHO, of course. -- Vmenkov (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Vladimir! Thank you for your kind words of encouragement, although I hope you do realize that creating a bunch of pages consisting of nothing but red links is not where my work ends :) I fully intend to have all those red links painted blue at some point! These pages are just one of the first steps in a long-loooong process towards covering everything in Russia.

As for the naming issue, I neither agree nor disagree with you, really. On one hand, from the workflow point of view, as long as most of the links on these pages are red and lead to obscure places, it's just more efficient to treat them in a consistent manner (i.e., disambiguate them by their administrative jurisdiction, except when doing so is impossible). The task of creating these pages is semi-automated, so drilling manual exception holes is always a hassle. Also, in the interest of full disclosure, I should note that I'm not a big fan of "primary usage" debates overall and think them to be mostly a waste of time. Sure, there is something to be said about treating high-profile cases as primary—such as having the article about, say, Moscow at "Moscow" and not "Moscow, Russia"—but even with seemingly equally high-profile St. Petersburg this starts to fall into gray areas: I've seen quite a few people who'd vigorously argue that since this is the English Wikipedia, St. Petersburg, Florida is more important and thus should be treated as primary usage. And the more obscure the case, the less productive these debates become. Take Cherlak, for instance. Yes, I'm sure most of the readers looking for "Cherlak" are going to be looking for the work settlement in Omsk Oblast, but consider that in the past thirty days the Cherlak page only got ~100 views. Now, if traffic patterns of other pages are of any indication, about a third of those are by spambots which create Wikipedia mirrors; bored readers clicking "Random article" account for another third, and the last third is divided between you, me, Russian Wikipedia editors wondering what the heck could the English Wikipedia editors put on that page, and readers genuinely interested in finding out something about one Cherlak or the other. And as long as all of the target articles are easily accessible from one location, is it really worth spending time arguing over which of these awfully obscure places is more notable?

To sum it up, I create the links on these pages in accordance with the practices documented in our guidelines, but, of course, there is no guideline which a well-reasoned consensus can't override. With that in mind, if Cherlak or any other similar page positively makes you itchy and keeps you from getting a good night sleep, by all means file a move request :) I might cast an "oppose" based on my belief that primary usage debates about which one obscure topic out of several is more notable are a waste of everyone's time, but more likely I won't even bother :)

Finally, regarding two of Cherlaks being in the same district and thus their titles still being ambiguous, that's actually my boo-boo. "Cherlak, Cherlaksky District, Omsk Oblast" is actually short for (rather idiotic) "Cherlak, Cherlak, Cherlaksky District, Omsk Oblast" (the first "Cherlak" is the name of the inhabited locality; the second refers to the low-level administrative division of Cherlaksky District, equal in status to that of a rural okrug), but considering that the two places in Cherlaksky District are the only ones in Omsk Oblast, the links, as per the guidelines and other similar cases, should have been "Cherlak (urban-type settlement), Omsk Oblast" and "Cherlak (rural locality), Omsk Oblast". I suspect this is still too long for your tastes, though :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 23, 2012; 14:59 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughtful answer. Let Cherlak wait for a while; but, following your advice, and in the spirit of "Option E" proposed for another country, I've started filing requests with Kstovo (see Talk:Kstovo,_Nizhny_Novgorod_Oblast#Requested_move. Maybe I won't go beyond one or two requests of course, since I also have other things to do :-) -- Vmenkov (talk) 06:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever strikes your fancy, although the spirit of option E would actually followed by not filing an RM :))) At any rate, primary topic concerns may override any naming conventions, and a primary topic concern is exactly what you have here. I still maintain that even the town of Kstovo is obscure enough to worry about whether it's a primary topic or not, but am too lazy to argue that :)

Also, if you don't mind, I've corrected the nomination text a little bit. The Kstovo page is actually a set index, not a disambig (if it were a disambig, this epitome of idiocy would mandate removing all red links and redirecting the page to the only entry with a blue link, making an RM moot). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 8, 2012; 21:08 (UTC)

Unprotect request

Hello.

You have previously (4 years ago) protected Template:Foreign relations of Russia, and it has remained protected since. Could you please unprotect it, or at least reduce the protection level to auto-confirmed? I have some edits that I'd like to make to it.

Thanks

HandsomeFella (talk) 11:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to autoconfirmed. Enjoy!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 23, 2012; 12:07 (UTC)

Deprod

I don't understand the reason of the deProd. Stigni (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When I plugged "российско-панамские отношения" (and the other two) into google, I got a number of what looks like reasonably good sources in return, including fairly detailed sketches on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website (example). While I haven't assessed the quality of those sources in any kind of detail, it's rather clear that they should be taken into consideration first, and one can't do that with a prod (but can in the course of an AfD, should you deem necessary to file it). Hope this answers your question.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2012; 13:33 (UTC)

My reason for PROD/AfD is the non notabily for WP:FOR#Bilateral relations, because there wasn't any war or significant trade and as the article you link: "Значимым событием в двусторонних отношениях стал состоявшийся в декабре 2008 г. проход по Панамскому каналу и неофициальный дружественный визит в страну большого противолодочного корабля ВМФ России «Адмирал Чабаненко»." So I don't think it respect the notability criteria for an "unofficial friendly visit to the country" and a trade of 66 million dollar. Stigni (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind the articles going through the AfD process. But it's never a good thing when just one person looks at the available sources (or doesn't look at them at all) and decides the articles don't meet this or that guideline and prods them. The AfD allows other people to weigh in, too, and that's all I care about as far as these three articles go. Prods should be used in cases where the deletion outcome is nearly obvious; I don't think these three articles qualify, is all. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2012; 14:06 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Stigni (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. By the way, I've only just noticed that WP:FOR leads to a WikiProject page, not to a Wikipedia guideline. With that in mind, I've filed my procedural oppose on all three nomination pages. That, of course, does not preclude further discussion of each of those articles' merits.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2012; 18:44 (UTC)

USPLACE RFC

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		Thanks VERY MUICH for your contributions at the USPLACE RFC. Much appreciated. Born2cycle (talk) 00:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why, thank you, sir!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 7, 2012; 13:48 (UTC)

Category:Russian Muslims

I would be very obliged if you pay attention to this discussion. Thanks!--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But what's that category's intent? If it is to list Muslim people of Russian ethnicity, then the name is fine (at least as compared to other similar cats; although I agree it's ambiguous).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 13, 2012; 14:24 (UTC)

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Template:Administrative divisions of Moscow

Заодно уж.)) А в чём там дело? Мне кажется, что шаблон вообще надо убрать из трёх статей про бывшие города, по крайней мере из статьи про бывший город Московский. --TarzanASG (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Вы это имеете в виду? Дело в том, что когда в шаблоне стоит [[Moskovsky, Moscow|Moskovsky]], то в статье про Московский в шаблоне название будет жирным шрифтом. Если же использовать [[Moskovsky Settlement|Moskovsky]], то тогда в шаблоне вместо этого будет self-redirect, что не приветствуется. А поскольку визуально в шаблоне в любом случае будет видно только "Moskovsky", то проблемы с тем, что "города" не являются территориальной единицей Москвы я не вижу.

Статьи под названием "Moskovsky Settlement" у нас нет потому, что писать в ней особенно-то и нечего. Информация из таких коротких статей рутинно помещается в уже существующие статьи с наиболее близкой тематикой. А что может быть ближе, чем статья про самый крупный населённый пункт в поселении? Соответственно и шаблон помещается в ту же статью.

Также я не очень понял, почему вы называете Московский "бывшим городом". Согласно Закону "О территориальном делении города Москвы" (статья 3) поселениями города Москвы являются:

“

...территориальные единицы, образуемые на территориях, включенных в состав территории города Москвы в соответствии с Соглашением об изменении границы между субъектами Российской Федерации городом Москвой и Московской областью от 29 ноября 2011 года...

”

В статье 4 дан список поселений, описаны их границы и состав. В части о поселении Московский указано, что:

“

В состав территории поселения Московский входят территории следующих населённых пунктов: Московский - город, Говорово - деревня...

”

Почему тогда "бывший город"?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2012; 14:03 (UTC)

Ну тогда бывший отдельный город.)) А теперь-то Москва состоит из районов и поселений, вот на поселения и надо ставить ссылки, потому что тогда посёлок Института Полиомиелита, деревни Саларьево, Говорово и т.д. как бы вообще не в Москве. Понятно, что удобно рутинно поместить в уже существующие статьи, но нам ведь истина дороже, не так ли?)) Иначе ради чего так скрупулёзно выстраивать всю иерархию? Хотелось бы хотя бы на примере Москвы и области показать пример проработанности темы деления. --TarzanASG (talk) 20:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Да нет же, не "бывший" он вовсе. Москва (как субъект Федерации, а не как "город") состоит из районов и поселений, а поселения (и некоторые районы) включают в себя населённые пункты. Уровень разный, только и всего. Пока дальнейших указаний от мудрого правительства не было :) А проработанность темы деления на теме Москвы показать совсем не так легко — у них бардак в законодательстве полнейший. Один Зеленоград чего стоит. Хоть сельсовет наконец в июле из закона убрали, и то радует.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2012; 20:58 (UTC)

Бывший независимый от Москвы.)) --TarzanASG (talk) 21:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Понял. Туплю :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2012; 21:18 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		Thanks for creating the new disambiguation page Tatsinsky, and for working to improve disambiguation on Wikipedia. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 16, 2012; 13:01 (UTC)

Why remove useful information about Nizhny Novgorod/Rostov?

Why remove links to articles about the history of the city? They may not be useful to some, but they are very useful to others, especially to those interested in history. Please restore the links (or provide a fuller explanation justifying their deletion). Thank you. M2545 (talk) 22:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why remove links to articles about the history of the city? They may not be useful to some, but they are useful to others, especially those interested in history. Please restore the links (or provide a fuller explanation justifying their deletion). Thank you. M2545 (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I have no strong feelings about those links, I don't quite agree they are "very useful". At best, they are marginally useful to a small portion of the readers. Just because the books are old does not make them a valuable historical resource, especially considering that they are neither scholarly nor current. An outdated travel guide from 1868 is at best a curiosity, but certainly not a valuable academic resource. We de-emphasize travel aspect in modern context, for example, so I don't quite understand why you think it adds value in the historical context.

At any rate, I have no objections if you want to restore these links—I certainly am not going to insist on removing them again. However, please consider that to date at least three other established editors voiced their concerns about the usefulness of these sections. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 19, 2012; 14:24 (UTC)

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Shuya, Ivanovo Oblast

Are you planning to create Shuya, Ivanovo Oblast (disambiguation)? If not, should we amend the template at the top?--Ymblanter (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not. This one must have fallen through the cracks when I was organizing related stuff. I've amended the hatnote; thanks for catching this!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 21, 2012; 20:33 (UTC)

Thanks, that what I thought indeed.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kalinka, Far East

Cannot locate this Kalinka: http://www.ww2.dk/new/air%20force/regiment/iap/301iap.htm. Our Kalinka article does not mention Russian locations. Appreciate your thoughts (and all your hard work) Buckshot06 (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go: Kalinka, Russia. The coordinates on the one you need seem to be a little off. Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 3, 2012; 14:54 (UTC)

Yablonovka

Here, the internal links seem to be screwed up (all of them are in the first couple of paragraphs). I tried to do smth about them, but apparently failed. Could you may be have a look at some point. Nothing urgent, I found this article on the noticeboard of poor translations.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll get it cleaned at some point.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 5, 2012; 13:33 (UTC)

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