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Start of draft of 1993 congressional hearings

This was suggested earlier this month (see the archives), so I've started a draft for User:Masem/drafts/1993 Congressional hearings on video games, including the links suggested where existing sourcing may be found. Anyone wanting to help here, please go ahead and add. --Masem (t) 15:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Exciting. I was just thinking about this article yesterday. Will try to help out with this. GamerPro64 17:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Moved the title per WP:MOSCAPS. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:49, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Only to comment as working on this: there is potential for a "console wars" article discussing the sega v nintendo rivally. (There is a book by that same name out there that gets into details). --Masem (t) 19:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I actually was thinking of making a console wars article a little while ago. I'll try to start a draft when I finish rewriting Deadpool (video game). JOEBRO64 19:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, you guys know this used to exist, right? Red Phoenix talk 16:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
After some digging the state of that page was this, which I agree from the AFD that a TNT and redirect was appropriate. I know enough in research the congressional hearings that a fair amount can be written about the Sega v Nintendo console war (again, we have a whole book now on this topic), including lead-up and fall-out, more than just looking at sales numbers. --Masem (t) 16:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New CD-ROM2 / TurboGrafx-CD page needed.

In my Wikipedia browsing, I've come across many pages about consoles, and in a separate page we can see the add-ons, but when it comes to the TurboGrafx-16 / PC-Engine, it's a complete mess. It's confusing and everything is meshed together, makes it hard to understand at least for me. I was surprised to find that the first CD console is the only one without a proper dedicated page.

In fact, every other console is properly divided;

Heck, even the TurboGrafx-16 has a page on the TurboDuo, but the add-on itself doesn't exist.

The Japanese Wikipedia has a dedicated page though, and it looks as an English one should.

In my opinion this new page is needed. Talkkaris (talk) 20:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is dependent on how sources discuss the equipment. If there is enough discussion about the CD games and systems independent of the core platform, then sure, but I feel the Hucard systems and games, along with the CD systems and games, are generally discussed as one PC Engine platform and game library. Personally I'd rather see TurboDuo get merged into TuboGrafx 16. TarkusABtalk 20:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have the same opinion as Tarkus but with the Atari Jaguar and the Jaguar CD, as consider them as one platform. Roberth Martinez (talk) 06:04, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The TurboDuo makes sense, because it's just a hardware revision, but merging the Atari Jaguar with the Jaguar CD doesn't. It's not the same hardware, it's a different media format, and when talking about the games, you don't say it's a Jaguar Game, it's a Jaguar CD game, because the add-on is needed, saying Sonic CD is a Genesis game is incorrect because you're missing the half of the console that makes it work. Same with all of the console add-ons where games made for it can't be played on just the base unit.Talkkaris (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just because a system accepts a different media format does not make it notable enough for its own page. Rather, there must be enough sources that discuss the device independently of the core console to justify. From a brief glance at the sources in the Jaguar CD article, it looks like only three sources are dedicated articles about the system. That seems to me like it would serve better as a subsection on the main Jaguar article. Now if more sources can be found, then perhaps the page can be kept separate, but I don't have a dog in the fight. If you can find enough sources to support a standalone PC Engine CD article, go for it. TarkusABtalk 20:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Completely agree with Tarkus. Sergecross73 msg me 00:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Camping (gaming)

I am currently working on a total excision and revision of the article Camping (gaming): you can view what I have at User:Henstepl. I would be happy to place my revised article at that location with your endorsement, feedback, and contributions.

Particular grievances about the article as it is:

  • too much unsourced information and original research
  • too many terms named in quotation marks as if defin
  • existing terms defined too specifically, and too definitively.

I think that I have addressed these while trying to preserve much of the original text. Online RPGs and strategy games are not my forte, so I have left those sections alone; I don't play battle royale either so feedback on that small portion is welcome. Henstepl (talk) 04:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

At a brief glance, looks like it still needs better sourcing. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I added a couple of additional references there. The one may be useful for sourcing other spots. --tronvillain (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Still waaaaay too much unsourced material that reads like a wikia article. Even with sources, it doesn’t read like an encyclopedia article. Sergecross73 msg me 00:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks for input and any modifications on my userpage. I have tried not to add information but rather to move around the information that is already there; still, I have removed much unsourced information and several quotationed terms, yet I do not believe I have a worldly enough knowledge of camping to remove too much. (I added a Template:Examples or two, though.) I primarily gravitate towards HL2DM these days!
I welcome any more modifications to the draft of the page! Stephen Lafleur (talk) 04:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image necessary?

I expanded a bit more The King of Fighters '99 and learned the English versions removed a move in which a character is holding a fireweapon. Would the shot of the original version be necessary? Still, I haven't found an actual image of the Japanese game that has the gun so I don't have the source for that. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 16:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a RS discussing the removal, then a fair-use screengrab from the surely-existing LPs of the JP version can probably be justified. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 18:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, you explained the situation pretty well with text just now, so it doesn’t really seem like we need an image to illustrate the idea for the reader... Sergecross73 msg me 00:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GAN second opinion

I've requested a second opinion at Talk:Azur Lane/GA1. (The summary box above is not capable of showing this.) TarkusABtalk 12:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Runescape discussion is needed

Hello, please head over to Talk:RuneScape to discuss about the removal of a section. Thanks. Hayholt (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Free use images from Double Fine

I thought I posted about this... but perhaps not! I'm in touch with an employee of Double Fine who is interested in providing free use illustrations from the company's games. Instead of defaulting to a plain release of press kit assets for basic illustration in the game articles, I'm thinking about requesting screenshots/footage from specific scenarios to make for the best possible encyclopedic illustrations. Depending on what assets they have readily available, it might be possible for us to capture the clips/shots we would like to use and then request free use releases. So please do share if you have any recommendations for specific scenes/settings/sections to screenshot or record. Open to ideas too! For example, if there are other gameplay concepts or related articles that could use a specific Double Fine illustration, now would be a good time to take stock. Planning to make the request in the next few weeks. czar 13:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's awesome! Thanks for tracking this down (is it Spaff you're talking to? I bet it's Spaff). How much free reign are we talking about here? Axem Titanium (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It really is amazing, but I have difficulty thinking of anything specific I want. I think the obvious things to ask for is images of as many different games as possible (it would be unimaginably amazing if we can have a good illustration or two of every game Tim Schafer has ever worked on), and I have to notice that the "Game design" section in our article on adventure games is completely devoid of images. I haven't played any Double Fine games, so I don't know any specific scenes or objects that would be useful to have images for, but I am sure there are a lot. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:14, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Axem Titanium, yes! He's finishing a project so I'd like to have a list ready for him when he's ready in a week or two. I'll start with press kits but he said specific requests are possible. Open to your best suggestions and worst they can do is decline. I'll note that we're looking at games that DF owns, so not the LucasArts games (now owned by Disney), even if remastered, or games owned by other publishers. How about I compile my list in User:Czar/DF and anyone else should feel free to add/suggest. Courtesy ping @Masem per [1] czar 12:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we can even try for clips from the 2 Player documentary? Haven't watched it all, if anyone has recommendations czar 13:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I watched it but far too long ago to recall specific clips I'd want. Off the top of my head, I'd love an animated gif of the stacking mechanic in Stacking with the verbs visible (can pull double duty to illustrate the evolution of verbs in adventure game). Kinect Party/Happy Action Theater also craves an animation of what cool stuff the camera can do. I'm missing a lot of gameplay screenshots across DF games so it's probably a good idea to start there. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fairchild Channel F meaning.

What does the F in Channel F mean? An option could be Fairchild, but in this commercial for JCPenny from 1976, the F might stand for Fun.

To quote the video; Channel F For Fun!

Now, I'm not sure if this interpretation is correct, or if it counts as original research, and I haven't found any sources referencing what the commercial says. I'm also not sure if using this video as a reference is acceptable. What should be done?Talkkaris (talk) 13:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A history of the console by FastCompany says Shortly before launch of its console, Fairchild changed the name of the console from the Video Entertainment System (VES) to the Channel F–short for "Channel Fun." I noticed it mentioned in the External Links at Fairchild Channel F, but that would make a great source for expanding the article itself. Or just citing claims in the "The console" (history) section, which is mostly unreferenced. Woodroar (talk) 14:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That makes more sense since if the F stood for Fairchild then the console would have been called Fairchild Channel Fairchild.--67.68.28.220 (talk) 14:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help! That link helps a lot.Talkkaris (talk) 17:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In need of a Japanese translator

As most of you know, I have been trying to expand most The King of Fighters articles. Since 2000 already has some sources for reception, I wonder if I could expand the creation section. However, the apparent information in regards to development about the game as seen here is all in Japanese. There is a lot of information there, but there is no need to fully translate everything. Just a summary about each part would be enough. Thanks for aiding me as usual.Tintor2 (talk) 15:34, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I tend to attempt to get as far as possible simply copy-pasting a text into Google Translate and asking for help for specific sentences that I can't parse. Of course, Japanese is a pretty difficult language to automatically translate, but it is something you can attempt regardless. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I tried adding the ones I understood the most so I managed to a proper paragraph. However, are the reviews enough or I should get more? Some reviews were made only in compilation games so there is no material to have Metacritic or GameRanking scores. Where can I ask for reviews?Tintor2 (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Superman move discussion

Just thought I'd let the project know. Discussion is here. JOEBRO64 20:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Late 90s NPD top 10 software per system

GamesTM may disappear

The last issue of GamesTM magazine was released this month. In addition to the magazine, they also run a website with lots of excellent content. I have heard Future Publishing has a history of making websites vanish (like CVG) so I suggest archiving all GamesTM links if not already archived. TarkusABtalk 17:10, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GamesMaster is also going under, but I don't think they have a website. TarkusABtalk 17:15, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
TarkusAB can thus be done by IAMBot/fix dead links? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:15, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not familiar with that bot so I don't know. TarkusABtalk 19:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A quick spotcheck does show pages are captured at Wayback machine. --Masem (t) 19:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Leave a comment at Cyberpower's talk page and he can initiate a bot job to capture our current uses into IA. --Izno (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Future have got rid of loads of websites in the past. Edge, Official PlayStation Mag, Official Nintendo Mag, Official Xbox Mag UK, Official Xbox Mag US. So it's likely GamesTM will go as well. It will probably get redirected to GamesRadar like Future's other sites. If anyone needs magazine scans, I have most GamesTM issues from #143 onwards. --The1337gamer (talk) 20:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Could you scan them over at the Wayback Machine? GamerPro64 00:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 November 2018

This article is listed as a "2019 video game", but it's going to release in 2018. Pierson D (talk) 02:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pierson D: You appear to be talking about a specific article, but have instead a) posted on the video game project's talk page instead of the article's and b) did not mention what article that was. --PresN 02:33, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're right! I'm so sorry!Pierson D (talk) 02:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A quick skim of articles with (2019 video game) in the title which aren't redirects: Resident Evil 2 (2019 video game), MediEvil (2019 video game), World War Z (2019 video game) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 02:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you are wondering, it was Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for Nintendo switch. Thank you!Pierson D (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we’re discussing it over at Ultimate’s talk page, though we’re equally confused over there. The years seem correct on the article. Sergecross73 msg me 04:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I’m placing this one both articles to be safe. I figured out what the problem is but not the solution. If you go to Wikipedia.org and type the games name in the large search bar at the bottom text in the drop down menu calls it a 2019 video game. Obviously there is s error somehere csuding this menu to be inaccurate.--67.68.28.220 (talk) 07:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)#[reply]
Unless it's been changed since Pierson D, the article in question is listed as being released in December this year. Where did you see the 2019? Could you also be sure to always be logged in when posting, as it can get quite confusing talking to an IP and a registered user. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I actually don’t have an account. Also, on the Smash Bros Ultimate page the cause was discovered to be Wikidata vanadalism which had since been fixed.--67.68.28.220 (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability of GamingBits

Hi everyone. Can I get some feedback on the reliability of the now defunct website GamingBits.com? I've seen this added to a GA article and it isn't currently listed at our sources page. Any feedback would be helpful. Cheers. Damien Linnane (talk) 10:41, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Video games and MOS:SURNAME

I've taken multiple video game articles to GA and two to FAC. Multiple reviewers have told me during these nominations to adhere to MOS:SURNAME, i.e., after the initial mention of a character's full name to only refer to them by their surname. No one has ever told me otherwise, until today. I'm now in a dispute with SNAAAAKE!!, who informs me that everyone of these reviewers of 'his' articles was "clueless" and now he wants to change all surnames back to first names. Specifically Chris Redfield and Sheva Alomar (on the grounds their first names are more commonly used, which to be fair they are) at the articles Resident Evil 5, Sheva Alomar and anywhere else they appear.

Personally I'm not very fussed either way, it just disturbs me he's insisting on making all these changes even though I patiently explained that I changed them in the first place at the request of multiple reviewers. Before I get accused of canvassing I just want to clarify I don't care if you agree with what he wants, I just think a consensus should be reached if there's a dispute, whereas he's made it clear he's not interested in obtaining a consensus first. Can I please get some more opinions on whether video game articles should adhere to MOS:SURNAME, or whether this guideline should be ignored if the character's first name is more popular? Thanks. Damien Linnane (talk) 12:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not just "more popular" (but also - and overwhelmingly without even any comparison, and in all kinds of sources too) but also as intended by the creators to be used (and in the way they use when talking about their creations) and in how they are called in the works themselves. There's literally nothing to deliberate about, because it's just so obvious. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 12:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Characters are being incorrectly referred to in some Wikipedia articles by their surnames, used instead of their first names (as intended by creators and commonly sued everywhere else, including in most of Wikipedia). As in User_talk:Damien_Linnane#It's_Sheva,_not_Alomar where I was told to come here so I did. John A related thing is that (for few years now) the characters categories being default-sorted by surnames too (and so anyone searching for let's say "Sonya from Mortal Kombat" will only find her under B as "Blade, Sonya" even as literally no one will think "Blade from Mortal Kombat"), which I find extremely awkward and think should be abolished. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 12:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@SNAAAAKE!!: I hope you agree there's no reason to have the same discussion twice. I agree, it's silly to refer to fictional characters using their surname. Luigi Mario, anyone? Categorizing might be a different issue though. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to say that calling people "clueless", just because they don't have the same opinion as you, borders WP:UNCIVIL behavior. Apparently it's not obvious, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:SURNAME doesn't seem to include any information regarding how to refer to fictional characters. In my experience, it is primarily about common use and using given names for fictional characters is typically more common. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As it currently stands, MOS:SURNAME applies to real humans, not fictional entities. So SURNAME should not be cited in GANs or FACs as applying to video game characters. I believe requiring this is a mistake (or at least over-interpretation of guidelines) by the reviewers. Firstly, we should use whatever the sources use. If they don't or are unclear, then whatever the work itself uses. If even that is not clear, then just something unambiguous and consistent. First names for video game characters is generally what sources use. There aren't any biographical ethical norms to consider here as with SURNAME. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen a discussion on the topic recently but can't remember where it was. It was not a global page, so if anyone is arguing that surnames should be some way or another for characters, they're wrong to enforce that (especially as it's not part of the GA criteria anyway). --Izno (talk) 15:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Categorizing is basically the same issue. It should be only in special cases like of "Wesker, Albert" where it's correct and nobody will ever look look for any "Albert" character thinking of Wesker (or "Westker" as he is called by one supposed "high quality source" of everything-is-racist being used by Wikipedia - thank you DiGRA, only typical of you). Same for example John Rambo should be at R for Rambo, but Freddy Krueger at F for Freddy Krueger, becuase it's not just games. Or Morgan le Fay should be (and is, as just checked) at the M for Morgan, out of top of my head. It's all very obvious. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, cheers for the feedback everyone. Also thanks for agreeing that the issue is not obvious and that SNAAAKE!'s behaviour is not very civil. I consider this resolved now. Also I've made a proposed addition to MOS:SURNAME that will hopefully clear up any further confusion for years to come. Damien Linnane (talk) 22:46, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I gave it a couple of small tweaks, mostly for consistency with the language in the rest of the section. --tronvillain (talk) 23:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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