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Thank you for the fix at Wadewitz (surname), I was called away from the computer quickly and didn't get a chance to fix it. — Cirt (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A pleasure! Eustachiusz (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The Der kühle Blick book cited also says he was the eldest on page 104 (<ref name="cool">{{Cite book|last=Düchting|first=Hajo|coauthors=Wieland Schmied, Hypo-Kulturstiftung|title=Der kühle Blick: Realismus der Zwanzigerjahre in Europa und Amerika|publisher=Prestel Verlag|year=2001|pages=104|isbn=3-7913-2513-2|accessdate=2010-05-06|language=German}}</ref>) - "Barraud stammt aus der armen Familie eines Fabrikarbeiters ; er wird am 24.11.1899 im schweizerischen La Chaux-de-Fonds als ältester von vier Brüdern geboren, die ebenfalls künstlerisch tätig werden." (my bolding) Sean.hoyland - talk 16:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that <ref name="ar2005">{{Cite web|url=http://www.kmw.ch/sites/default/files/page/documents/kunstverein_jb_2005.pdf|title=JAHRESBERICHT 2005 - 85. Jahresbericht des Kunstvereins Winterthur|date=15 May 2006|publisher=Kunstmuseum Winterthur|language=German|accessdate=7 May 2010}}</ref> supports Charles Barraud being older - "Charles Barraud (1897–1997) folgte seinen Brüdern, doch ohne ein ähnlich starkes Œuvre zu schaffen." If 1997 for the year he died is correct perhaps there's an obituary on the web, although I've not seen one. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Eustachiusz, I award you The Christianity Barnstar for all of your contributions to articles relating to WikiProject Christianity, especially your recent creation of Matelica Cathedral. You are making a difference here! Keep up the good work! With regards, AnupamTalk 14:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Modestinus, Florentinus, and Flavianus.

Just wanted to let you know that your source is in Italian, and the other source will not come up, because apparently it is not a website. Can you please get new sources? ThatKongregateGuy (talk) 02:10, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Intertranswiki

Hi Eustachiusz. I have noticed all the excellent translation work you have been doing from German and Italian on religious topics. You might like to become a member of WP:Intertranswiki and its German and Italian components. We have recently been trying to revive the project and are looking for ideas on new articles, particularly those from other wikis which are red-linked in English. We also frequently need help in translation (and copy editing) from German and Italian.--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott:It was kind of you to ask! I've signed up for now but feel it only fair to mention (a) that I'm not very good at group projects / dynamics, and (b) that I'm really only interested, as far as Wikipedia goes, in religious buildings, so probably won't participate as fully as the project might like.Eustachiusz (talk) 01:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome! Many thanks again for Ipigott for spotting your fine work! That's fine, that's the point of the stub focus with a range of topics that people with different interests can pick what they want to focus on creating. And keeping in mind those interests there will always be articles put up on the board which will interest our members!♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Really appreciate your hard work on Belgian monasteries as part of the Intertranswiki project!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Excellent work. You can add an extra column and do more Belgian abbeys if you like!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Duomo versus cathedral

I sort of agree that they are not identical: to me Duomo always has the overtones of a dome. However the first-line of the Wikipedia entry for Duomo states: Duomo is a term for an Italian cathedral church. then it goes on to say it could be former or present, etc. I am not certain if the Lendinara church is the present cathedral.Rococo1700 (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I just stumbled upon your contributions to the List of Christian monasteries in Belgium. Thank you so much for doing this, and I hope you realize that your work has been sorely needed for some time. I for one really appreciate it. Jane (talk) 08:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, can you add more monasteries for round 6?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and add 10 Dutch monasteries to the board!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Common names for Cathedrals

Noticed that you've been moving lots of articles I made and so as to save you work in future, I wanted to check what the rule is. Do we presume that the common name in English is "Placename Cathedral" unless there is positive evidence to the contrary? Furius (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I should have forewarned you I was going to move your 4 articles, so apologies.
The immediate answer to your question is "Yes", as far as most, if not all, UK editors are concerned. However, it's only fair to add that there is no rule as such, unfortunately, and there is still sometimes discussion / disagreement on the subject. I'm very happy to explain my position more fully, which is not only the (UK) default convention but also, more importantly, seems to be the most useful on Wikipedia.
There's an acrimonious divide between UK and US conventions. The UK one is as above: Placename + Cathedral, with a couple of well-established exceptions such as St Paul's Cathedral. There are several advantages to this formula: it fits well with the dab conventions on Wikipedia - most places have only one cathedral, and this is the simplest way of referring to it/them. It also follows WP:COMMONNAME by avoiding the often extremely lengthy full or formal titles, which are only ever used in formal documents, and is the best (because simplest) fit for foreign-language cathedrals where there is no particular established Eng lang way of referring to them (which is most of them).
The US convention is St X Cathedral, Placename, regardless of how many cathedrals are in a particular place. Obviously, if that is what they are called in the US, then that is fine, but the tendency is to export the formula to foreign cathedrals for no good reason that I've ever seen put forward except for variants of "because that's how we do it".
(Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa use an in-between form, i.e., St X's Cathedral, Placename - to a UK ear "St X's Cathedral" sounds much better than "St X Cathedral", but if town X only has one cathedral...).
As with most other areas of foreign language article import there has been a running battle between editors using UK English and those using US English: cf Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Germany for a mixed bag. Most countries however follow one way or the other, and France and Italy follow the UK model. (Leaving aside the above reasons, plus doubtless others, there's also an interesting argument that all articles relating to EEC countries should be in UK English, because UK English is an official EEC language, but I wouldn't rely too much on that!)
There's always a potential problem with cathedral (and church and monastery) articles from foreign languages in that foreign-language editors tend to want to keep the formulae from their native languages in the English titles, rather than using any actual English names: this has particularly affected Eastern European cathedrals and Spanish ones, although looking at the categories I see they've largely been filed down now. There is of course often the additional misconception that the longer and more elaborate the name, the more important the subject. (I should also mention the old argument about "Placename Cathedral" vs "Cathedral of Placename". This ran for years, extremely viciously, but was settled in favour of "Placename Cathedral").

Does that make sense? Eustachiusz (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the very full reply! I see this convention is no exception to the rule that every rule on WP is the product of much acrimony. I admit that I find the saints' names more interesting, but I will save it for the redirects henceforth. Best wishes Furius (talk) 01:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hans van der Laan

Are you still expecting to "do" Hans van der Laan, please? I greatly hope - very largely for my own selfish reasons - that you are. But if "events" have intervened so that you won't be able to do it, I MIGHT get round to attempting it myself. Might not. Either way, it would be a dead waste of time if one of us were to make a start on it in blissful ignorance that it is 95% completed by the other of us. Or indeed by someone else.

(My attention was triggered by the removal of your "reservation flag", but I see that that was done by Dr B: not by you. No doubt if neither of us has touched it by 31 August Dr B will make a start on it himself.)

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I do hope you're not still miffed at me from removing your name. It was pushing three weeks and you'd not started it so I thought it best to give other people a chance to start it. I would never remove a name within four days, or under two weeks for that matter. It's just the month was coming to a close and it didn't seem like you'd start it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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On naming Abbeys

Some of those articles were first written by me, and I agree with the WP article title policy, that I should now have named them the way I did. You can start a [[[WP:RM|move request]] to move them back. But as it stands the category of Italian abbeys has some abbeys called all the following ways:

  • Abbazia of so and so
  • Abbey of so and so
  • So and So abbey
  • Monastery of So and So
  • So and So abbey

We need a consensus. Other categories for other countries provide a template. Please provide an argument that substantiates your position and do not just revert the names given by author on a whim. For example, Abbey of Santa Maria delle Macchie, San Ginesio should be Santa Maria delle Macchie abbey, San Ginesio. If you wish to change this, please use Move request. I will post this to User:JustLetters and Numbers also. It is always good to see who is interested in a certain topic.

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In my view there has been no standard in nomenclature for naming abbeys or monastery. When in doubt, see what is customary: In reviewing Category:Benedictine monasteries:

the German category (137 pages) and the American site (39 pages) follow the sequence of (Name) abbey or Abbey. The French category (115 pages) uses both the sequence above or Abbey (Name). No consistency. The Spanish category favors monastery (since abbey has no direct translation in Spanish) and Monastery of (Name), which mirrors Spanish language grammar.

In looking at the choices, I prefer the German and American naming system, it seems the most consistent, and gives the primary name primacy, always helpful.

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Your opening comments are obviously addressed to another editor: I have not reverted anything recently and I'm well aware of how to go about name changes (beginning with WP:BOLD). I do have views on the matter, however, and am happy to give them. This is a very long-standing subject of disagreement and everyone has their own take on it, most of which however are not based in English usage. The UK standard, which is what I support, is definitely {Placename} Abbey (sometimes for more recent foundations St {dedication's} Abbey), [Placename] - for those that are abbeys and not priories, friaries and so forth. I think this is probably more or less what you are saying too. There are however exceptions for those where the first element is unusually long, for reasons of euphony, and the Abbey of Santa Maria delle Macchie would probably come into that class if it were not called Macchie Abbey, which is what I think it should be. Eustachiusz (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I posted some of the same response I had to Justlettersandnumbers, but saw that you had an interest in subject also.

With respect to Santa Maria delle Macchie, problem with Macchie alone (translation: spot or stain) is that it would sound in Italian as that (spot or stain abbey) not quite the intention. Thanks for input, there may be some nomenclature pow-wow brewing.Rococo1700 (talk) 22:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I hope you are well.

Do you, by any chance, have ready access to a good translation into English of the German office of Domherr, please? I tried "secular canon" but (1) it feels wrong and (2) I still don't know what it means.

And, of course, I wish you the good things for 2017 that you should wish for yourself. Success Charles01 (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you PLEASE stop unlinking the word "cathedral" in articles about French cathedrals? there can be no good reason for this. Eustachiusz (talk) 15:11, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see Template:Infobox church. The edifice is usually linked. Kind Regards--Soupforone (talk) 04:04, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Please see WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE: "...keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored)." In other words, all relevant links must remain inside an article even if there is also an equivalent link in the infobox. In an article about a cathedral, the word "cathedral" must be present and linked INSIDE the article and if already there, must not be removed.
So perhaps you'll go back and replace them. Eustachiusz (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Eustachiusz- I noticed your edits to the Fraubrunnen Abbey article. A bit beyond mere copyedits, I'd say, but in any case, I'm wondering what source you use to translate brunnen as spring (no pun intended). Though that certainly is one possible meaning of the term, I'd err more on the side of well or fountain (without having direct knowledge of the abbey). Also, the wording which replaced the original name of "Mülinen" as that of the adjacent village, over which the abbey received in the foundation grant the right to hold the low court is a bit difficult to follow. Can you clarify that? Thanks. Eric talk 20:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. "Spring" seems to me the best / most plausible intersection of "fons" and "Brunnen", but I also have no direct knowledge of the place.
  2. You're right - it's clumsy; I'll take another look. I was trying to avoid extensive re-translation but that is probably what's required. Eustachiusz (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there's so much translation clean-up to do on WP, it can get tedious. Let me know if you want any input. Eric talk 04:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Gerda Arendt:I very much appreciate your taking the trouble to give me more of an insight into your position, which I understand better now. You're obviously right that the article will remain as "no consensus, keep", but I still think it was a good idea to give people who think it shouldn't the chance to say why at full length, as it's unusually controversial. There was a danger without the 2nd AfD of creating the impression that the article(s) was a "special case" and exempt from or above the normal procedures, and that surely wouldn't have been healthy. Eustachiusz (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for sorting this one out. I'd have taken a look, but I honestly haven't had the energy for research for much of the past week. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. I've reverted some of your category changes where you have added the Category:Châteaux in Haute-Loire. In Engliah usage, there is a distinct difference between a castle (military structure, fortress) and a château (mansion, stately home) as their respective articles explain; this is also clear from the List of castles in France article and in the heading for categories such as . While it is the case that many castles were later developed as châteaux, not everything called in French Château de .... is a château in English. Emeraude (talk) 10:18, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Emeraude: OK - I'll be more observant! However, shouldn't all those articles which are actually about castles be titled "Foo Castle" rather than "Château de Foo"? I see that some already are. Eustachiusz (talk) 12:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. As I recall, this was discussed at length some time ago and consensus was that the actual name of an object is the title (i.e. French) and the text gives the description in English. Just as if you travel around France you'll see signs pointing to Château de Foo (I like it) but you'll know it's a castle when you see it. It's a peculiarity of the French that they don't have a simple way to differntiate castles, mansions, vineyards or water towers (château d'eau).
Incidentally, I've done some work on a page you created, Château d'Argeville, and added some soures and more detail. Emeraude (talk) 12:22, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Eustachiusz (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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