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Image

I think the current image is better than the one that was previously in there (and which I removed) because: 1) It's centered right in the front of the arena, 2) It's up close, and 3) there are no other objects like cars or people in it. These are the two pics in question, the one I inserted is on the left. Feel free to comment. Quadzilla99 12:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Key Arena
Key Arena

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Seattle University Redhawks

Anonymous user 66.194.72.243 added to Key Arena that the Seattle University Redhawks willing using the venue as of 2008. I have not found a reference for it. Can anyone verify or deny that? Flibirigit (talk) 20:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

During the 2008 season the mens program played one game at the KeyArena, against Loyola Marymont.

http://www.goseattleu.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18200&KEY=&SPID=10773&SPSID=89893 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.53.230 (talk) 18:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Way Out (2009)

No Way Out (2009) took place on February 15, 2009 at the KeyArena in Seattle, Washington. KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact of this event isn't disputed but it is irrelevant in the long term. WP:RECENTISMEmjaymem (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

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Closed During Proposed Redevelopment?

This may be a dumb question, but would the arena be closed during the proposed redevelopment to accomodate an expansion NHL team in 2020 (and possibly a relocated or expansion NBA team as well)? Also, is there a set time yet for when the reconstruction begins? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Malformed request. Calidum 04:36, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KeyArena → Seattle Center Arena – date:December 2018 SportsFan007 (talk) 20:44, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 5 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved at this time, per the discussion below. If and when usage changes, it may be worth revisiting this issue. Dekimasuよ! 06:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KeyArena → Seattle Center Arena – This is a contested request.[1] Apparently with the recent announcement that the new Seattle NHL team will be set to play in a few years, this arena is being renamed as "Seattle Center Arena" (the arena's official website has even been updated as such to point to a new name, http://newarenaatseattlecenter.com/) But as of now, this article has yet to be updated with any content related to this new name, much less news sources for WP:COMMONAME purposes. The other issue is that the Seattle Center Arena redirect use to point to Mercer Arena.[2] So the question now, should the page be moved or keep the disambiguation page for now. I am neutral in this discussion. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. The Seattle Times is still calling it KeyArena, even after the NHL approved the expansion [3]. Calidum 12:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The recent change from a redirect (to Mercer Arena) to a DAB page broke 30+ links which will have to be fixed by hand. That shows the nature of the problem which defining a new WP:PTOPIC could cause. Those broken links can be found and fixed; bad links to PTOPICs are unlikely ever to be. Narky Blert (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Your proposal is totally wrong. Evangp (talk) 11:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While I think moving the page is probably correct on an "official name" level, the arena is going to be colloquially known as KeyArena until naming rights are sold to somebody new. Given that it probably won't be too long before a naming rights deal (certainly not longer than a three years) and that the page will have to be renamed again at that point, it seems like a waste of resources to go all-in on the placeholder Seattle Center Arena name. The DAB page gets readers to where they want to be for now. -- Aricci526 16:15, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. The arena is being reconstructed and nothing will happen there until the work is done. Additionally, the Seattle NHL team is scheduled to start playing in 2021, but anything can happen and this team might not even play at all. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:18, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Support It’s no longer operating as KeyArena and the name change is still happing even if the NHL team doesn’t end up playing there. SportsFan007 (talk) 10:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007[reply]
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Requested move 6 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 15:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


KeyArena → New Arena at Seattle Center – Seattle NHL team is approved, arena name can change now. SportsFan007 (talk) 15:19, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Sources still call it KeyArena. [4] [5] [6] [7]. Nothing has changed since the last RM above. Calidum 18:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • the team’s website call it New Arena at Seattle Center [8]. SportsFan007 (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007[reply]
      • First, we use common names, not official ones. Second, "New Arena at Seattle Center" is likely a descriptive name the team is using until an official name is chosen. Calidum 18:17, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Calidum: We actually do use office names when available. SportsFan007 (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007[reply]
          • Not if there is a more common name. That is the whole point of common name. -DJSasso (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Local media still refers to it as KeyArena or Seattle Center Arena, which is a more accurate descriptor if we were to move the page. SounderBruce 21:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Seattle Center Arena. It's the more obviously non-descriptive form of the name. ONR (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No evidence this is a new WP:COMMONNAME. "New Arena" is likely just a placeholder name that is also miscapitalized.—Bagumba (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still very much the common name. -DJSasso (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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National Register of Historic Places infobox

I added the NRHP infobox as a separate piece. It would IMO be an improvement if someone wanted to merge the Seattle City Landmark and NRHP info using the NRHP template, but I can't quite figure out how to do it. Halmueller (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I already integrated both of them. I also put the NRHP infobox in the arena infobox as well since that's the standard on virtually all American stadium/arena articles with historic status. SmartAn01 (talk) 07:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 March 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KeyArena → New Arena at Seattle Center – This is what the Arena is currently known as. SportsFan007 (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Though I supported the last move request, I acknowledge we're hitting a common-name wall at the moment. O.N.R. (talk) 00:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Local media articles still refer to KeyArena, which remains a common name despite the expiration. I'd rather wait until the naming rights are officially announced rather than have an intermediate move to a temporary name. SounderBruce 00:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: the arena doesn’t operate as KeyArena anymore. SportsFan007 (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES still apply even if it is defunct. Looking around at articles written in the past month or so, "KeyArena" is used by The Seattle Times and KCPQ-TV, Seattle Center Arena is used by KOMO-TV, and New Arena is used by KING-TV and KIRO-TV. Given that The Times is the newspaper of record and that, anecdotally, most locals still call it KeyArena, we should favor the old name until a permanent one is announced. SounderBruce 03:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per COMMONNAME. KeyArena is still referenced in Google News slightly more (or at worst as much) as New Arena at Seattle Center.—Bagumba (talk) 10:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - we should not use sponsored names for arenas (and that is standard at WP:FOOTBALL). GiantSnowman 12:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is not the case for American stadiums, where sponsored names are the default and most widely used. Also, this discussion is not particularly relevant to WikiProject Football, as the venue was only used by an indoor soccer team for two seasons and is unlikely to host it again. SounderBruce 15:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • American arenas and stadiums follow WP:COMMONNAME, whether or not that is the sponsored name.—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Aside from the above comments, 1) The proposed title seems inaccurate, since the arena is not new – it opened in 1995; 2) Furthermore, if I understand correctly, the arena has never operated under that name and will probably never operate under that name in the future – it is currently just a construction site; and 3) As far as I can tell, no sources have been identified as saying that the proposed name is preferred over the previous name, and the KING and KIRO sources cited above primarily use "the new Arena at Seattle Center" or "new arena at Seattle Center" – including in headlines, with lowercase 'n', not uppercase 'N' and sometimes even with lowercase 'a', so they are using "new" as a descriptive term, not as part of a proper noun name, at least in most places. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per reasons above, mainly the fact that "New Arena at Seattle Center" is clearly a placeholder title. JE98 (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – As stated, "New Arena at Seattle Center" is a temporary/project name. "KeyArena" is still the colloquial name of the arena; from my experience, most locals still call it that, even when compared to its previous name as the "[Seattle Center] Coliseum". SmartAn01 (talk) 06:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Terminology

In the "Relocation ..." section, do we know what the acronym "PBC" refers to? It is not previously identified in the article, and is not a common knowledge one for me. SquashEngineer (talk) 13:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SquashEngineer: It was hidden in an easter egg. I've unhidden it so Professional Basketball Club LLC is now visible. - BilCat (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 June 2020

KeyArena → Climate Pledge Arena – The arena has a new naming rights deal with Amazon who has branded the arena as Climate Pledge Arena. User:Mo2010 (talk) 22:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agree: When arenas change names due to naming rights deals, we always move the article to the new name. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 01:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nurseguy55ster2: This user looks like a sockpuppet due to meatstacking, they created their account today only to vote in this discussion. Highly suspicious, I would disregard this users' comment. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 02:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should this vote by an SPA be struck out now? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 09:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I still think that WP:COMMONNAME is pretty clear, until it is not well known as Key Arena it shouldn't be changed. Just because something changes their name doesn't mean the Wikipedia article must immediately change their name. Everybody in the US still knows this arena by the Common Name, Key Arena. I see a lot of people in this discussion are new to Wikipedia, and I would invite you to read WP:CommonName before fully voicing your opinion on here. I would also like to point out the fact that above user, Nurseguy55ster2 created their account today and their only edit is to this page, looks like a sock. Thanks, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 01:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I concur with Andrew that it's a bit premature to rename the article at this moment, considering the new name for the arena isn't even a day old yet. Once/if more reliable sources begin to refer to it as Climate Pledge Arena, then we should look into renaming this article. For now, though, let's keep the article's name the way it is. Raptormimus456 (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree: I agree with MAINEiac4434. Sports venues that have name changes often get their pages moved the same day.  Broncos Stadium at Mile High moved to Empower Field at Mile High on 9/4/2019, the same day the naming rights were announced.  Other examples of sports venues moving the same day include Safeco Field to T-Mobile Park on 12/30/2018, AT&T Park to Oracle Park on 1/9/2019, University of Phoenix Stadium to State Farm Stadium on 9/4/2018.  WP:COMMONNAME guidelines address topics that have multiple names, such as an official, legal, or technical name, as well as what people commonly call it. KeyArena versus Climate Pledge Arena is not a multiple name issue. The building's name is the one and only name; there are no multiples. Perhaps the most comparative case could be when the Sears Tower, a colloquial name, was renamed the Willis Tower on July 16, 2009. The page moved within 24 hours. In summary, I support moving the page in an expeditious manner. Jdubman (talk) 03:53, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jdubman: Please continue reading WP:COMMONNAME as you completely missed the WP:NAMECHANGES section. While you mentioned speedily moving articles in the past with name changes, they did not conform to WP:NAMECHANGES either. You can't just blatantly ignore official Wikipedia policy just because some articles in the past have. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 04:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Per Jdubman's examples. Stadium and arena articles with name changes are generally moved immediately/within a few days, at least for those in the US and Canada. - BilCat (talk) 04:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources? Take your pick:[10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]. As what Jdubman said, Broncos Stadium at Mile High had no sponsor for 2 years, but they never took down the signage. KeyBank stopped sponsoring the arena years ago. My point being, no teams/cities/stadium authorities wants to pay to take down the signs until a new deal has been reached because it costs money to take down signage. We have a new deal here. Roberto221 (talk) 08:35, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The lead appears to have been modified already. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 09:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While we usually move the page when a name change occurs, but in this case it is tricky since the arena will not be open until 2021 and who knows what might happen until then. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There's an official announcement, I don't see any reason not to change it. Richiekim (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the opposition is unavailing and crystal ball-y. I'd also like to give a WP:TROUT to whomever forced this unnecessary discussion. Calidum 17:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm from Germany – just heard the news and learned about the name change. Didn't know the arena and its old name – as a result I was very much confused that the article still has the old name. PassioEtDesiderium (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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