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Hi Robert McClenon! Thank you for reviewing the Draft:JioTV and highlighting the concern. I would like to explain this "This draft does not show how this division of Jio Platforms is sufficiently notable to need a separate article. " Jio Platforms has many divisions and JioTV is one of those. It's a LIVE TV application that is completely different from its other applications such as JioMeet (its a video calling app) or JioSaavn (it's an online music app only). Also, I have added more independent sources that are covering JioTV. Please have a look.

Since Robert has reviewed my article that's why I tagged him here. In general, I would appreciate help from any Wikipedia editors to improve this Draft:JioTV Ritzz07 (talk) 11:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question for us? Giraffer (munch) 11:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Giraffer This draft Draft:JioTV has been declined because of notability concerns. So I am seeking help regarding the same. --Ritzz07 (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - What do you want help or advice about? I wrote that the division, JioTV, does not appear to be notable independent of its parent, Jio Platforms. You can expand the draft and resubmit it with an explanation as to how the division is independently notable. Or you can make an edit request to expand the article on the parent company. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I need advice where exactly I need to share an explanation of changes I make. Here in this thread or will I get an option to write an explanation at the time of resubmission request. Also, could you please highlight which section ( or content) you feel does not appear to be independent. Any content that doesn't have a sufficient reference link. It will help me rework on this article. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 07:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - First, is JioTV a division of Jio Platforms? If so, JioTV is already discussed in the article on Jio Platforms. Second, it appears that you are asking me to rewrite the draft for you in order to put it into article space. No. I do not plan to rewrite the draft for you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon JioTV, is a division of Jio Platforms this has been explained in the beginning before even writing the draft. See Talk:Jio_Platforms . Second, I don't want you to write a draft but since you have raised this concern, I just want you to highlight that content that you feel is not independent. Just search for JioTV in google news. I believe that's how Wikipedia works. The external world should talk about the subject of the article. I have written this draft based on the reference available. Any content which is not supported by the reference, I'll take that content part down immediately. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 05:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - You ask me to highlight that content that I feel is not independent. You are asking me to edit the draft for you, and I will not do that. However, the answer is that no part of the draft is independent of Jio Platforms. Since JioTV is a division of Jio Platforms, it is not independent of the parent company. You have not shown why the division should have a separate article (unless you want to put advertising in the separate article). No part of the draft is independent. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Do Not Telll a reviewer to use Google search for references. It is the responsibility of the author to include the references. An editor who tells the reviewer to use Google search is insulting the reviewer. Tell your managers to get a different employee to do their paid editing, who won't insult the reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon Please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to offend you. Let me take other reviewer's opinions to have clarity. All I am trying to say that I collected reference from Google Search and then written this draft. Thank you Ritzz07 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Templates

How can I add templates on my user page, e.g. Template: Babel? Thy Pyrometer (talk) 22:20, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thy Pyrometer, Template:Babel gives examples and instructions of usage. Please go through it, try it, and come back with any questions you might have then. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool,I know what Template: Babel does, but how do I add it? Thy Pyrometer (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thy Pyrometer, by clicking "edit source" at the top of your userpage and typing in {{Babel|en|es-1|fr-1}}, for example. More info is at the template page linked in my previous reply. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool, Thanks a lot! Thy Pyrometer (talk) 03:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Resubmit an article by adding more content, to keep it as an independent page

Hello, my article about Draft:National Management Programme (NMP) was rejected with this reason: "The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Management Development Institute." I feel that NMP has a distinctive significance in the Education community due to its history and thus, I would want to keep the page independent of the Management Development Institute page. I seek your advice on this: If I add more content to the Draft:National Management Programme (NMP) page (more details) and resubmit, is there a possibility of it getting published? SanyaDuggal (talk) 08:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

SanyaDuggal Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there is more significant coverage in independent reliable sources to be had, you certainly can try. Any history of this program needs to be told by independent sources, not anyone associated with the program. I would note that if you are associated with this program or the Institute that offers it, you should review conflict of interest and paid editing for declarations you could be required to make. 331dot (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you very much. All history that I included on the page was from independent sources and sufficiently verified per sentence. Need your suggestion please: how long should the content length be, before I resubmit it for publishing consideration?

fixing ping to 331dot. SanyaDuggal you need to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) for mentions to generate notifications for intended users. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know about any specific length it should be; you just need to summarize what the sources say and have enough to show that it merits a standalone article instead of being part of another. 331dot (talk) 07:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Why i didn't get any response from wikipedia team

Hi, recently I search about something and i saw that there is many wrong information so i go to the talk page and participate there with articles (reliable sources) but i didn't see any correction and didn't get any response from wikipedia team. Why? Mega flames (talk) 04:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, recently I have search about something and I saw many wrong information so I go the talk page and participate their with articles(reliable sources) but i didn't get any response from wikipedia team. Why? Mega flames (talk) 04:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

First, in this attempt of yours, for example, you provide no evidence, and therefore nobody reading has any reason to believe what you say. People could ask you to provide evidence, but it's at least as likely that they'll ignore you. Secondly, you haven't waited long. Wait a week or so. -- Hoary (talk) 05:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

"Many wrong information" seems like a bit of overstatement, as you complained about just one - Alha and Udal are not Ahir, according to you. Also there is no "Wikipedia team" it's just 270,000 volunteers, who edits the Wikipedia because they want to, and not because they have to. If they see something they don't want to address, they will not, and not one can tell them to that they have have to address it.

A good way to get a response on Wikipedia is not removing other people's edit request (if you can't respect others, others will not respect you), writing in a more easy to understand way (the question you posted here is pretty difficult to understand, like "so i go to the talk page and participate there with articles (reliable sources) but i didn't see any correction"), and make a request that's credible (like not proposing that your personal knowledge is better than reliable sources). I hope this helps. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: @Mega flames: GeraldWL 06:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

hacking.

how do i become a hacker?!?!?!?!?! Anonymous1357908 Anonymous1357908 (talk) 04:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Anonymous1357908 Welcome to Wikipedia. We are here to help regarding Wikipedia editing and usage. Thank you ~ Amkgp 💬 04:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymous1357908: Just wanted to check if you were asking about Wikipedia Hackathon events? Nick Moyes (talk) 08:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Launghing at this question. GeraldWL 06:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

daKAH

The article title spells it as DaKAH, while the proper spelling is "daKAH". How can I get the title to spell right? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, on the rare occasions where the title should start with a lower-case letter, you can place a tag {{lowercase title}} at the top of the article, and it will display in lower case. Pi (Talk to me!) 06:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aditya Kabir: Now that you've got the title sorted, could you find and add some Reliable Sources that show this group meets our notability criteria? I am rather minded to put it forward for a deletion discussion, as I am not convinced at first sight that it merits a page here (see WP:MUSICBIO). Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 09:29, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

The "Sources" need to become references if this is to survive. David notMD (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks. That's the first thing I checked. And, since there are not too many people interested, I believe WP:BOP is now upon me. Give me a couple of days, if you can, as my internet connect for next three days will remain sketchy at the best. If I fail to establish notability, I would support your WP:AFD. By the way, I am working on this as a tribute to User:Intrigue who last edited in June, 2006. I want to do this because, she/he started the article that I have been busy with for two months now, and I am an emotional fool.

@David notMD: Thanks. I know. I have rescued random articles from deletion before. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Aditya Kabir. By default, I am always in favour of retention rather than deletion, so I, for one, would not want to rush for a deletion discussion if there's a chance something can be improved, as this probably can. Thank you so much. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Please, check. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

My edit has been undone by ClueBot NG

Please suggest how the editing done by me was wrong that the bot reverted my edit. Please check the original content and the edited first two paragraphs as given below and decide which one to keep. I made an edit recently on Oscar Martinez (The Office) page as follows:

"Oscar Martinez is a fictional character from the US mockumentary-style television series The Office played by Cuban-American actor Oscar Nunez. Martinez is seen working as an accountant at the Scranton, Pennsylvania, in Dunder Mifflin’s office of a paper distribution company."

The character was implied to be gay in the second-season episode "The Secret", when Dwight catches him faking sickness to spend the day with his boyfriend (Dwight remains oblivious to this fakeness as he was obsessed with proving that Oscar was not ill). In earlier episodes, many co-workers erroneously attribute to him various Mexican stereotypes (e.g. being involved in drug cartels) but after his ousting, his stereotypes are more concentrated on his being gay, particularly by Michael, which may explain their conflicted relationship. Editingwork8 (talk) 10:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

You removed referenced content and replaced it with unreferenced content. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I sense this was part of fancruft deletion, so might well have been quite justified, and certainly not a bad faith edit, even if the automated tool sensed it as such. (Will add some more thoughts later when im back on my PC.) Nick Moyes (talk) 12:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: (back again) ...because Wikipedia attracts an inordinate amount of vandalism by silly schoolkids and other bored individuals, we have various automated tools to revert to most obvious bad faith edits. Content deletion is one such common form of it. The 'bots' aren't always 100% correct (just as humans aren't either) and I think in this instance the bot was wrong. It left an automated edit on your talk page, with a link to enable you to report this as an inappropriate revert, with instructions to then repeat the edit. I would support you doing that, as it's clear there are ongoing and sensible attempts to remove 'fancruft' (trivia) from the article. You did the right thing asking here; when it comes to another human doing something you don't understand, it's often best to directly approach them {politely) on their talk page and ask for clarification of what you did wrong. Not possible with software, of course.

On a different note, it's great to see you as a qualified librarian wanting to contribute to Wikipedia. Are you aware of this project bringing museums, libraries and Wikipedia together for the greater good? Or the #1lib#1ref hashtag - a worldwide event encouraging librarians to add references to articles (see here for more). Finally, I note your talk page says you're interesting in adding content to start and C-class articles, but don't forget the 'STUB' articles which are even shorter and need more TLC, but reward you with easy improvements You can find them via so-called 'wiki-projects' which are simply editors with common interests working to improve that one topic area. Each Wikiproject usually has a table showing the number of articles relating to it, both by importance (low to top) and also by quality assessment (Stub to Featured Article). So, at that Projects's first section (Article quality assessment) I see there are currently 2,525 stub articles, of which 763 have been assessed for their 'importance' to that project. I then note there are 69 stub articles deemed as 'High Importance' which could be worked on first to greatest effect. Just click on the number to see a list of those articles ((example). Browsing through them reveals pages like the Ailefroide which have no inline sources, and just one external link. These are the things that some editors get real motivation from when they find topics that interest them and appreciate that they can easily improve the encyclopaedia. That's a really empowering feeling. Good luck in all you do. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there a host that would be willing to monitor a rewrite?

Hello

I'm trying to learn my craft as a Wikipedian. As part of this I'm undertaking a rewrite of the Door handle page, which needed some love. I've posted my rewrite aims on the Door handle talk page. This is certain to be a piecemeal project for me. So far I've added a History section and started rearranging some other material. Is there a host/editor that would be willing to keep an occasional eye on what I am doing? I've done some editing elsewhere and added a page on Pistol duelling but this is the largest project I've attempted so far.

I'm not looking for hand-holding. Just the knowledge that an experienced editor is aware of what I'm doing. Also, if the Pistol duelling page flags any "don'ts" that I'm doing, it would be good to know now so I don't replicate them on the Door handle page or any others.

Thank you all as always for your constructive help. Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 12:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Universal Kakistocrat, added it in my watchlist. I'll see what I can do too. GeraldWL 12:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

You might reach out to User talk:Larry Hockett, as he has been an editing presence at the article for a while, and has reverted a few of your edits. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't see an indication of him reverting my edits, assuming you're replying to me. GeraldWL 06:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Gerald Waldo Luis. I appreciate it. Thank you too for the good suggestion David notMD. I had a conversation about this with Larry Hockett. His interest looks to be infection control. He was very helpful on the importance of sources in that section. The history, for example, wasn't his interest when I asked. So I'm especially grateful to Gerald Waldo Luis for picking this up.Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 13:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

An editor with POV and deletion issues

Hi. Tried to resolve the issues at Karmapa Controversy without calling in the administrators. There's an editor that won't build consensus, hasn't responded to attempts to build consensus, and meanwhile has rewritten the article with heavy POV while deleting, it appears, almost all previous work. I re-edited the opening after efforts at communicating didn't work. The editor responded with a threat of a block... Worse, I just scanned the entire article and it's full of POV, unbalanced, and is an editing mess. Yes, the editor writes well so their work is deceptively coherent; and they cite books as RS, which are typically one sided ( they agree) and unverifiable as RS. I've asked them to stop and build consensus before continuing, but they apparently refuse. I think a block is past due - so they understand the situation. Is there another option? Advise? Thanks! Pasdecomplot (talk) 13:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pasdecomplot, from what I can observe this began about a month ago. Why didn’t you report this earlier? It’s easier to curtail this at the initial stage. I have however left a warning on their talk page & would be also monitoring their activities. I am not so sure but I may have to undo most of their edits on that article & take it to back to how it was on the 24th of July which was(I stand to be corrected) the most neutral version.Celestina007 13:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

ThanksCelestina007 for looking into the matter. I wasn't editing for a couple of months, so didn't see the issue. So, is it best to wait until their edits are reverted instead of trying to re-edit? The POV is so dense, maybe too thick to just repair with reedits.

Pasdecomplot 11:19, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

is there an index for academic or subjectwise templates?

example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Genetic_translation or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNA_replication ; these are subject (discipline) related template; different from "noticeboard type" or administration related templates (indexed here).

Now my questions are,

1. Is there an index for subject related (academic discipline related) template? I have seaarched a lot but I didn't found any. Such as all Cell-related templates, all Biochemistry related templates etc.

2. Is there a term for these purple-coloured, subject-related templates (those are usually inserted at bottom of pages)?

PS. These templates are very useful, informative and good for comparative study. I am trying to make a few PDF books with collection of subjectwise templates, but its difficult to track existing templates due to lack of an index. Thanks in advance. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC) RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RIT RAJARSHI. Those are navigation templates. Please see that link for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 14:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you I am searching if there is an index for navigation templates. If it does not exist, I will be glad to participate making it. With all the best wishes.

It's worth looking at which categories the templates are in. The first you mention is in Category:Protein biosynthesis templates, and the second is in Category:Biochemistry templates. You can then see which categories those categories are in. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph:Thank you so muchRIT RAJARSHI (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI: How about Category:Navigational boxes by topic. (Please also check out the article on indenting, especially example 4.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Thank you so much it is very helpful. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 05:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Next time I will try to follow indentation guidelines RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 05:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

How do we deal with BLP pages dominated by the living person and related parties?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this because (1) the discussion has been started about this on the article's talk page at Talk:Peter Hitchens#Article sanitisation? and (2) the OP has been indefinitely blocked by a checkuser; so, there's nothing further going to be resolved by continuing to discuss this here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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I did my first score of edits today, and in one case ran up against parties related to the living person (in this case, an account seemingly set up for the purpose of sanitising the Peter Hitchens page, with a careful measure of other pages edited to conceal the vested interest). The account in question simply removed a criticism of the living person (which cited a notable source and was sourced from a world famous academic), then gave a flimsy pretext (that rationalised moving this criticism, not removing it) when I brought this to his/her/their attention. What does one do about pages overridden with vested interests? Looking at the page in question, the living person is a tabloid journalist who has written about fighting to change his Wikipedia page, and looking at the talk page it is clear a lot of information is being hidden/suppressed from the page. Anti-Anti-Vaxxer2 (talk) 16:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anti-Anti-Vaxxer2, I haven’t taken a look at anything yet but generally if there is a content dispute, the best place to resolve the issue would be at the talk page of that article & if that doesn’t work out well then seeking a third opinion is the next best option. Furthermore if you feel a COI is present then you should report the editor/incident appropriately at the WP:COIBOARD. I hope I have been helpful.Celestina007 20:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

thank-you Anti-Anti-Vaxxer2 (talk) 02:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anti-Anti-Vaxxer2: Having spent the last hour or so wading through that page's history, I agree with your general concerns. But I think it is a bit more nuanced. One editor has been revamping and adding content (eg the subject's views on gun control and on his Wikipedia article), but another editor has been removing it on the flawed belief that it's a primary source. I have expressed my concerns on the talk page. That said, please avoid accusing other editors of a WP:COI or of bias if that isn't clearly the case. (I'm not totally convinced that's the issue here). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

thanks a lot, your talk page contribution is spot-on. User:Gd123lbp looks like clear COI. lives on PH page (deleting Cambridge prof's criticism of book is recent example) but not on days when IP address 194.207.191.9 adds non-public infos on children (eg. Aug 4th, Aug 6th). also responded emotively when asked on own talk page. User:RichardWeiss is a less clear case but has been sanitising quite tirelessly. Anti-Anti-Vaxxer2 (talk) 02:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

FYI the OP has now been blocked. MarnetteD|Talk 02:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Getting permanent link for any previous revision

I know for the year 2020 article, the latest permanent link revision up to this point in time that I'm writing this is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020&oldid=975505928

But how do I get a "permanent link" for the revision, for example, from 21:46 on 25 August 2020? The only thing I got is this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020&diff=974933481&oldid=974932175

That however, isn't exactly a permanent link as it is just "comparing revisions". How can I get a permanent link of that exact revision? I was only able to find a permanent link for the latest one by going to page information on the left hand side.

Please help me, and THANK YOU! 47.150.227.254 (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome! I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but the answer seems quite simple. By going to the 'View History' tab and clicking the actual date of that edit, you get taken to this page. To me, that suffices as a perma-link as to how the page looked after that edit, on that date and that exact time (see Help:Permanent link for more details) Is that what you wanted, or have I misunderstood your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I just want to point out a small wrinkle in that. Most pages transclude templates (other pages that perform various functions common to multiple pages), and what you may get is an old version of the page you're looking for, but with the current version of any transcluded content (I don't seem to know at this tired point of my day if this depends on page-rendering on the Wiki or what the exact details are). Mostly, if you're looking at a reasonably recent date, or if you really just care about the article text and not things like navboxes and other bells and whistles, it shouldn't matter. However, there is an alternative, which is to look for the page at archive.org, which would guarantee that you are seeing the page as it was at the time it was archived, complete with the old versions of any transcluded material. I think. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Lost all editing progress

• Link: Daniel Algrant

Hello,

I am editing a page for an artist. All of the information is directly from them. How can i retrieve my progress and continue editing? Anesiasaun (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Anesiasaun, did you read the messages left at your page? I'd add the importance of reading WP:COI, too. 2601:188:180:B8E0:51C4:A213:DDE6:49FA (talk) 01:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I plan to include all of the appropriate links and I can neutralize the tone further.. Is there any way I can retrieve my inital edits so I can go from there rather than start over? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anesiasaun (talk • contribs) 01:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there any way I can retrieve my progress so I can go back and further neutralize the tone and add further sources? Anesiasaun (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• This was one of the edits you made [1]. Please understand that I'm not being glib when I say it's not salvageable. Read Wikipedia's guidelines, especially those that I referred to here and at your talk page. 2601:188:180:B8E0:51C4:A213:DDE6:49FA (talk) 02:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

All is not lost. The content may be true, but you provided no references. The article Daniel Algrant exists, and all of the deleted content can be seen at View history, and then for each edit you made, click on prev (for previous), on the left. A suggestion - copy the content into your own Sandbox, then work on achieving neutral point of view and appropriate referencing there before pasting the revised content back into the article. David notMD (talk) 02:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

On your Talk page you were left mention of COI and PAID. Comply with that before doing any editing to the article. David notMD (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anesiasaun: Well, the edit needs sources, of course. But otherwise, it seems decent. Not unsalvageable, IMO! Please observe User:David notMD's good advice. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm curious, Tribe of Tiger, how was that content decent? [2]; [3]; [4]; [5]; [6]; [7]. 2601:188:180:B8E0:51C4:A213:DDE6:49FA (talk) 03:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I do beg your pardon, but my comment was made in reference to the only edit you mentioned, [8], which obviously needed to be sourced. It was not in reference to the additional six edits now noted above. I don't wish to argue, but I don't understand what is so problematic about this one edit. So, I am curious about what was "in-decent" or unsalvageable about this one edit. If I do not ask questions, I cannot learn. Thanks,Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tribe of Tiger, the single diff I started with wasn't a comprehensive listing of the edits--as I noted, it was just one, and my presumption was that editors would read the others before commenting. My mistake. From that edit alone, here's what's not acceptable:

• The cast includes Eric Stolz, Mary-Louise Parker, Ralph Macchio, along with Tony Curtis, Kathleen Turner, Tim Dalton and Whoopi Goldberg. It won the Critic’s Prize at the Deauville International Film Festival and went on to compete at the Tokyo International Film Festival. The New York Times called the film “as knowing and clever as it is charming”. We don't need a cast listing, which is the first tip-off of promotional intent here. Went on to compete is just a copy edit eyeroll. NYT blurb is promotional.
• Following the success of Naked in New York (1993), Algrant went on to direct episodes of the popular sitcom Sex and The City (1999-2000). Promotional and WP:PEACOCK, with another "went on to"; again, it's a standard phrase used by public relations minded-editors.
• Algrant went on to do People I Know (2002) starring Al Pacino. A film about a veteran publicist battling addiction and alcoholism. The piece was eventually ensnared in controversy before its premiere as it depicted the World Trade Center as a metaphor for cultural corruption prior to the tragic attack that took place during editing. The film also includes a scene where a woman is forced to flee a man named Harvey in a limousine - which was intended as a reference to Weinstein’s abusive behavior in the film industry. Weinstein would purchase the film, request that scene to be removed, and eventually stall it’s global release. Reads like there may be some WP:OR. "Ensnared in controversy" really needs a source, as does the reference to Weinstein, both for WP:BLP reasons and to support its significance in the plot. Overall, reads like an effort to pump up the movie's controversy, omitting a mixed critical reception.
• Greetings from Tim Buckley (2012) is a film co-written and directed by Algrant, depicting rockstar Jeff Buckley (Penn Badgley), making his debut performance honoring his estranged and late father Tim Buckley. The film premiered at the Toronto Film Festival and was bought by Focus World and Tribeca Pictures. It was described by Peter Travers in Rolling Stone as a “heartfelt and deeply moving film.” The Hollywood Reporter said it was a "sensitive, well-cast film about father-son musicians Tim and Jeff Buckley” and “gets the emotions and music just right". Young also praised lead actor Badgley for his "vibrant break-out performance" noting his "seductive energy" and Poots pointing out her "strong screen presence". Same as above, primarily promotional blurbs. And this isn't the most egregious of the edits. 2601:188:180:B8E0:51C4:A213:DDE6:49FA (talk) 15:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

My sincere thanks for producing this analysis. I find it to be very helpful, indeed. Now that I have "learned", I with agree with and understand your assessments. I rarely copyedit in this topic area, and will steer well clear. Thanks again, Sincerely,Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm in no way intending to discourage you from participating, especially if you're interested in reading up more at WP:BLP. But I did not want to give a new WP:SPA undue encouragement, especially if they came here solely to add promotional content. Cheers 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Just left a note at your talk, before I saw this. Honestly, I have worked more with removing detrimental info from BLPs versus the over-the-top peacock type. Nonetheless, I have seen/removed "peacock" because it was unsourced. "Greatest XYZ in the world!", easy decision, as it is unsourced. Your lesson provided good info per PR-type statements that may be sourced, but are still unacceptable, etc. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:48, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Additional cmts at your talk....Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about Wikipedia entry "Three on a Rope" not showing up in a Google search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_on_a_Rope

I am largely responsible for this entry but I am new to writing Wikipedia entries and I'm wondering why outside search engines such as Google do not pick up this entry. If I search within Wikipedia I am taken directly to the entry but if I enter the search string "Three on a Rope" in Google's search engine, for example, it does not take me to this entry. Is there something that can be done to make this happen? Any guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks! Donna Dmbrinton (talk) 02:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dmbrinton: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to expand it. New articles are hidden from search engines until they are reviewed by the new page patrol or for 90 days whichever comes first. RudolfRed (talk) 02:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed - Many thanks and good to know, Donna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmbrinton (talk • contribs) 02:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Dmbrinton, please do not use IMDb as a reference. It hosts user-generated content and is therefore not an acceptable source per WP:RS guidelines. If the rest of the sources are reliable and support the claims they are cited for, the article should have no problem getting approved as it seems fairly well-written. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I have an important question to ask

Well, I always wanted to be semi-auto-confirmed users which I need at least 500 contributions/edits to reach the level. However, I can't seem to figure out how to find the quantities of edits. Also, I always check my edit quantities on mobile, but the numbers never changed, even when I edit more. Can anyone please help me. Hypersonic man11^Talk Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 03:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

morning Hypersonic, at the top of the page, click on "preferences", it should show user profile tab, showing no of edits fourth line down. Hope that helps, Cheers. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 03:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Hypersonic man 11. Using a computer you can click on "contribuitions" on the top of the page and then on "edit count" on the bottom. It will show you how many edits you have. As I can see here, you have 354 edits on En.WP.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 03:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Look at it, it is always 354 edits... but thanks. can someone resolve it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hypersonic man 11, you're at 356, and I see from you contributions that you made two edits after posting this section, so it would seem to be working just fine. Please bookmark this and recheck after making additional edits. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Guys, i am thinking...

I am thinking if i can nominate Chengdu J-20 fifth-generation stealth fighter to the Wikipedia good article nomination. I've checked, it has no issues and additional problems. Also, all the information available are there, as you know the fighter is still somehow very secretive as of now. JF-17 can be nominated, so does the J-20 right. If you guy give the green light, let me put it in nomination box, because I like to try... Hypersonic man11^Talk Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hypersonic man 11, you are not one of the principal contributors to that article. This page gives all the statistics on it. You'd have to reach out the editors who have made significant contributions to the article and convince them that it is ready. Have you checked to see if the problems highlighted in the last good article review have been addressed? Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I link to copyrighted sources?

Can I link to copyrighted sources, as long as I don't blatantly copy the source? K=caklin (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Kinecaklin You can, unless they are reliable and independent. This is the right place to place your question. Chemmy bear Discuss in more detail? —Preceding undated comment added 04:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kinecaklin: Yes. Most of the sources we use as references or external links are copyrighted (newspapers and their online equivalents, books, journals, official websites, etc.). I think Chemmy bear mistakenly wrote "unless they are reliable and independent"; references must be reliable sources. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Problem with the citation template when there is an = sign in the url

I have entered an url in a citation template that has an equal sign in it. This causes the template to produce the error message 'Unknown parameter'. There is a 'help' link next to the error message, but when I click on it the 'Leave' window pops-up as if I have been logged out. Is there a solution to this problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BiostatSci (talk • contribs) 05:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Throw your friends a line. Which article?Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

... and more importantly, which URL? URLs used in cites very commonly have un-encoded '=' in them, which works fine. My guess is that you have un-encoded quotes ("), which you can solve by changing them to %22. Spaces should be changed to %20. For example, this Google Books URL:

• https://books.google.com/books?id=_NNmFiUnSmUC&vq="dark side of the moon"

becomes:

• https://books.google.com/books?id=_NNmFiUnSmUC&vq=%22dark%20side%20of%20the%20moon%22

Yes, it would be nice if the RefToolBar took care of this for you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Pinging BiostatSci. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed @BiostatSci: This appears to be about Talk:Melanie Stansbury. Cite #3 to followthemoney.org was:

• url=https://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?dt=1&c-t-eid=44581391&c-t-id=240407#[{1|gro=y,d-ins

I changed it to:

• url=https://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?dt=1&c-t-eid=44581391&c-t-id=240407#%5B{1%7Cgro=y,d-ins

That is, the '[' needed to be changed to %5B and the '|' needed to be changed to %7C. I've corrected it and the other ref to that site with a problem. I'll hunt for the table that tells you what needs to be encoded, and hopefully a tool that does it for you (unless someone beats me to it; please ). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, that was easy: Help:Citation Style 1#Special characters has the list. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks @AlanM1:! Greatly appreciated. 73.242.164.128 (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Why does chembox break?

When I edit the chembox{{Chembox}}, it breaks. I type the correct code like {{Chembox Properties}} and it breaks. User:Nihaal The Wikipedian Discuss in more detail

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: (I removed some stray markup from your post above) I expect you mean "when you try to transclude the {{Chembox}} template"? You'll have to be more specific, like put the code you're trying to use in your sandbox so we can see what you're trying to do. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: {{Chembox}} {{Chembox Properties |Molecular formula = C5S2O |Molar mass = 108 g/mol.l}}

The thing above is just an example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 06:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: So, you're trying to transclude {{Chembox Properties}} as a parameter for a transclusion of {{Chembox}} in an article? In the example above, you have a couple of problems.

The {{Chembox Properties}} template has no |Molecular formula= parameter, but there is a |Formula= parameter: |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}, or you can specify the individual elements with: |C=5 |S=2 |O=1.

There is also no |Molar mass=; you want |MolarMass=. Also, the units are wrong. You want either |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g&middot;mol<sup>−1</sup> or |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol

So, for this example, you would use:

{{Chembox
|Section1={{Chembox Properties
 |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}
 |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol
 }}
}}

which produces:

Teahouse

Properties
Chemical formula	C5S2O
Molar mass	108 g/mol
Except where otherwise noted, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C [77 °F], 100 kPa). Infobox references

Perhaps you can look at the article you created Methyl hexanoate for a working sample? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC) AlanM1 I have multiple problems though I have a desire to create another Draft. The problem is discussed here where This person said to slow my AfC.I will post the link in your talk page when it is created. Regards Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please can I ask an administrator to remove User:Materialscientist?

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OP has been blocked and there's was really nothing to resolve here to begin with; so, further discussion seems unnecessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hello. I am an experienced Wikipedian and editor. However, I am trying to ask an administrator to remove one of the users. The user I would like them to remove is User:Materialscientist. This is because he/she has been vandalizing Wikipedia recently. His/her account is being used only for vandalism, so I suppose he/she needs to be reported, removed and blocked indefinitely, this is to prevent further vandalism. Thank you. AstronomerOfSpace (talk) 06:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

AstronomerOfSpace, don't think this is the right platform tho. I don't see any signs of vandalism, their account is not solely made for vandalism as they have done several contructive reverts/edits. Courtesy ping: @Materialscientist: GeraldWL 07:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

And here, your tone seems questionable: "I have a very important mission for you to complete," " I have heard that one of the users." It seems like you're just hearing a person saying that... mind clarifying? GeraldWL 07:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

You also haven't edited any articles, so your words "experienced" is concerning. GeraldWL 07:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Plus, Materialscientist is an Admin, editing since 2008, with well over 1 million edits. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The topicon you put at User:AstronomerOfSpace, that you're a recent changes patroller, boggles me, since you are new here, only a day old. GeraldWL 07:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a bored school kid, not a grown up police officer, as they claim on their userpage. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

User has been blocked. Theroadislong (talk) 07:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I suspect User:AstronomerOfSpace is a sockpuppet of User:ThePoliceman2020, a.k.a. User:PoliceOfficer124.   Maproom (talk) 07:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah. How sweet. I wanted to be either an astronomer or a policeman when I was a child, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I remember riding past an open fire station at night while intoxicated about 50 years ago, and commenting in amazement to my buddies. Now, I get to help put out fires on the world's greatest online encyclopedia. Not bad. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: And we are lucky to have you here, you bicycling fool! Ah, the happy days of our youth! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 08:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Good lord, why did I think you were on a bike???Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 08:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes I think Wikipedia needs an upvote button. Giraffer (munch) 08:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

They probably wanted Materialscientist blocked because they (MS) blocked all of OP's socks and ironically, the OP. Giraffer (munch) 08:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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if i found a page on wiki with errors or intentionally edited by some persons what i can do ?

i feels even though i am a qualified person from a registered health university in india. I tried to edit an article which is of my speciality some senior editors are deleting the edit. and the fun fact is that they believe they are only true. What i can do in this situation ? Drnisamudheen (talk) 09:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Drnisamudheen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see this guidance for expert editors. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, as truth is in the eye of the beholder, but we do deal in what is verifiable in independent reliable sources. If you have published independent reliable source to support edits you wish to make, please discuss this with the other editors involved on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Looking at your recent contributions I suppose this is about this edit. A small problem with it is that it is marked as "minor" even though it significantly changes the article ("minor" is only for correcting typos, improving image layout, etc.). A more significant problem is the content: you unlinked "quackery" for no good reason, and you broke up a paragraph to insert borderline-promotional material in broken English.

Note that Unani_medicine#Education_and_recognition already includes a few paragraphs about recognition from AYUSH (which I feel strongly tempted to nickname "ministry of quackery"). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletation of my account

why wikipedia host delete my artical about me? Nihal Kumar Singh (talk) 09:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Nihal Kumar Singh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves. Please review the autobiography policy. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. This is because people naturally write favorably about themselves. Wikipedia is not interested in what people have to say about themselves, but in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about them. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Minorax has already posted the reason to your talk page. Please go theough the reason Minorax posted, click on the links in his explanation, and read the pages that open when you click the links. By the way, your account was not deleted, only that userpage you created. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Nihal Kumar Singh, you are more than welcome to create a userpage, but it should reflect your personality on Wikipedia (your editing topics, experience, permissions etc.) A couple fun things such as userboxes & banners describing yourself in real life are nice, but writing an autobiography about yourself is not. That is using Wikipedia to write about yourself, instead of explaining what you do here. Take a look at some of the userpages of people who have replied here for inspiration. My userpage can be found here → Giraffer (munch) 10:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Bad code in navbox?

The Bengali language article has a serious formatting disaster. Take a look.

I think it's because of one or more navboxes/infoboxes used have bad coding that is interfering with all other images and templates around it. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed @Aditya Kabir: The size of the image was not being set at all in that template, and the file on Commons was updated in July to be much bigger than it was before, so that's how it appeared in the Navbox. I set the size to a reasonable 100px, but then commented it out, since only one other navbox in the Category:Indo-Iranian languages templates has an image ({{Sinhala language}}), probably because of something related to MOS:NOINDICSCRIPT. I'd suggest discussing it somewhere before uncommenting it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, but the mess remained.

You can't put any image in the first section without them being pushed between the first and second sections. Also there remained a very wide empty space between the sections.

Right now the only way to ammend that is remove "all images" or remove navobxes from the first and second sections. But "remove all images" to makes way for coding that interfere with page layout may not be the best solution.

I hope this is fixable, because most navboxes and infoboxes don't interfere with page layouts. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 11:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aditya Kabir: By "NavBox", I mean the navigation template displayed at the bottom of the article with other related articles, in this case, {{Bengali language}}, in which I removed the huge Bangla on the right side.

(For the following, I narrowed my browser to about 1024px width, much smaller than the 1600px or so that I normally use, to exaggerate any placement problems). If, by "can't put any image in the first section", you mean the lead section (above the table of contents), it is not typical to put images there because the infobox already takes up a significant part of the screen, it would be ugly to have images to the left of it (right of the text), and we also try not to "sandwich" text (especially the lead) by putting an image on the left there. There just isn't room at all at 1K screen width.

The "Part of a series on Bengalis" box ends near the bottom of the ToC, where a media player then spans down into the History section, which could be cleared up, since it starts with an image on the left. The Geographical distribution section does have a "sandwich" that could be fixed.

Other than those little adjustments, I don't see much else to do here, certainly not "a big mess" and I see very little whitespace. There's not room for much more imagery in the top sections, but that's just the nature of it – they already have plenty.

If you're seeing something different, perhaps you can post a screen shot at the article's talk page for discussion. You might also find a version of the page in history (if necessary, at archive.org if the problem is in templates, so all the templates are contemporaneous with the page). I urge you to skip the hyperbole ("mess" and "disaster" and "bad coding"), which does nothing but put people on the defensive and provoke arguments about the hyperbole instead of the issue.

Anyone with more layout issue experience is welcome to chime in here or there, of course. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Screenshot of the current Bengali language page.png

I am seeing this

Hmmm. That's interesting. I am posting a screenshot of what I am seeing (I use Chrome on an Asus ZenBook running Win10). As you can see it does looks like a big mess from here, and a whole lot of whitespace. Also I tried placing the images of the coins and monuments in various ways, and nothing worked. Could it be {{Bengalis}}? I am sure it is not {{Infobox language}}. But, who knows. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 15:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Whitespace problem solved. There was a {{clear}} template hiding in the article. Removing it removed the whitespace. But now I have the images in the top part bunched in one place. :( Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Add image to article

Hi and good morning. I've uploaded an image to WP Commons which I would like to post to the article David J. Zimmerman. I haven't yet posted images to WP, and, as a new editor, would hate to make a mess of an article that I need someone else to fix! I edited the original article in Visual Editor. Can you direct me to "help" pages which might help me do this? Thanks. VictorMooney (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, VictorMooney. If you go to the file's page in Commons commons:File:Picture_of_David_J._Zimmerman_in_the_Indian_Himalayas.jpg, there are buttons at the top "Use this file", one of them with the Wikipedia logo,. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi VictorMooney. The photo you're referring to is of David J. Zimmerman yet you also describe the photo as being sen to you by David J. Zimmerman. Generally, it's the person who take a photo, not the the subject of the photo that is considered the copyright holder. Do you know whether Zimmerman took this photo himself or whether it was taken by another person? Since you don't seem to have taken the photo, the person who did is probably going to have to email their WP:CONSENT to WP:Contact OTRS#Wikimedia OTRS to verify the file's licensing and the copyright holder's intention to release it under said license.. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine and @Marchjuly: Thank you. Will do some more research...VictorMooney (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Sakura School Akademi

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Closing this since the OP has been blocked per WP:SOCK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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Sakura School Akademi JaidenMama (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi JaidenMama. Do you have a question about Wikipedia or Wikipedia editing? Perhaps you're trying to find the page Sakura School Akademi? It was draftified by another Wikipedia editor and can be nw found at Draft:Sakura School Akademi. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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Mobile networks could be used to vandalize Wikipedia

When I turn airplane mode on and off momentarily on my phone, my IP changes. Could vandals abuse this to vandalize Wikipedia without getting blocked?   ApChrKey   ^Talk 15:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@ApChrKey: We block all vandals! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think if you poke around, a lot of such IP switching techniques have been blocked for a long time, such as large blocks of IPs used by the larger VPNs. Although there were many who pointed out this would block dissidents in some countries from editing, so I don't know what the current status is. -- Kendrick7^talk 15:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Undoing of justified things with (in this case 5) sources, ?Vandalism?

Hi! My question is how to deal with frequent (in this case ideologically based) unjustified undoings/removings of facts with (in this case !5!) reliable sources. In my particular case "Croatian" and the 5 sources referring to it have been removed as a common language in the Bosnian Kingdom It was later replaced by the same user (MckenzieBosanac21) with "Serbian", having no sources. I undid this by changing it to the older version with the sources, but I fear this scenario might repeat itself in the future. The URL is:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kingdom_of_Bosnia&action=history Gretings, Stjepan StjepanGr. (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, StjepanGr. and welcome to the Teahouse. A good-faith content dispute is not vandalism. However, removing valid sources is not usually well thought of, unless thjere is a good reason.

I would advise you to post on the article talk page, Talk:Kingdom of Bosnia, describing what changes you made and why, and what changes other have made that you disagree with, and why. List the sources you feel support these changes clearly, please, and mention whether they are already cited in the article or not. Please do not make accusations of improper behavior, confine yourself to discussion what should or should not be in the article, in accordance with the reliable sources and with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I see that there have been several disputes over that article in the past. Articles about that area of the world are often quite controversial, and it is best to attempt to avoid conflict here by sticking strictly to questions of what should be in the article and why. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh in future, please use wiki-links to refer to articles here when possible. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Your Use of My Scholarship

Why do you have extensive citations to my four articles on Governor Ronald Reagan, Speaker Bob Moretti, Jeese "Big Daddy" Unruh and CA Politics and welfare reform in the 1970's, and also numerous citations to my book and articles on the Oklahoma Socialist Party, its leaders, and the Green Corn Rebellion, but DO NOT give me an article. One was proposed once by one of my students, but your reviewer was so slipshod that they did not see any of the prominent articles on Governor Reagan, a world-historical figure. How Come? 65.93.200.230 (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, unregistered user. Many authors of reliable sources cited here on Wikipedia do not have Articles about them. For a Wikipedia article it is usually more important what others have written about a subject than what the subjet has personally written and published. See WP:NACADEMIC, notability, and Wikipedia's golden rule.

Also it is helpful if you provide links to the specific articles you mention here, and state the specific citation(s) you have in mind.

Moreover, use of terms such as "slipshod " does not encourage others to help you. Wikipedia is created by volunteers, the vast majority of whom are doing their best without pay and with limited recognition to improve the project. They may well make errors. Some misunderstand guidelines and policies. But please assume good faith. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there sustained coverage of you as an individual in independent secondary sources? Many writers are widely used as sources but do not have their own article because while they themselves write, what we require is independent sources writing about them as a person. GMG^talk 16:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Seconding the statement that what a person publishes can be a reliable source for a Wikipedia article without the person themselves qualifying as Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 18:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Two more things: First, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is a tertiary source; we primarily summarize what reliable secondary sources have written about a subject, with very limited info (some basic biographical, etc.) allowed to come from primary sources (in this case, like the works written by the subject themself). Consequently, if (as I suspect) there are few or no such secondary sources with significant qualifying (i.e., reliable and independent) material, we have nothing on which to base an article.

Second, an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I publish a draft?

Hello, I am trying to publish my draft on Michael K. Hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_K._Hole

I'm wondering how I do that. Thanks! Victoria7yu (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Victoria7yu Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. If you have been paid to make your contributions or represent Dr. Hole, you must make the required paid editing declaration. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Per notes on your Talk page, you must either declare paid or state not paid on your User page before submitting the draft. And answer question about you taking the photo that is with the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

A question on the draft article 'Pomogailo Anatoliy"

My draft article Pomogailo Anatoliy unfortunately has been declined. I have a question - why are the references not enough for Wikipedia? They do show the texts of publications concerning the subject of the article. In addition, the reference to the web-site "math-net.ru", the reference to the web-site of the Russian Foundation for Basic Research, the reference to the web-site "lifelib.ru" and the reference to the "Intellectual system of the thematic research of the scientometric data" - all of them are the independant and publidhed sources of information in Russia concerning the subject of the article. All these web-sites are the international data bases of the articles and details about their authors. The subject matter of the article is the Soviet and Russian scientist - so, the information about his articles are the main part of the references. I do not understand - why are they not reliable and not enough for Wikipedia? Could ypu please clarify it? So that I could fix the draft of the article. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you! Kind regards, Rhodium66 (talk) 20:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)Rhodium66 Rhodium66 (talk) 20:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)Rhodium66

Courtesy, it is at Draft:Pomogailo Anatoliy. David notMD (talk) 20:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rhodium66. English Wikipedia requires (especially for a biography of a living person) that each statement in the article be cited to the particular source that supports it; and that nearly all the sources be independent of the subject. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject has said, done, or published except insofar as people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject and their activities. Please see REFB and CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Aziz Karimov

Hi there, I'm Aziz. I added an article about myself. After a few hours, my article was rejected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aziz_Karimov Why my article was rejected? Thank you for your attention. Ezop2676 (talk) 20:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ezop2676, and welcome to the Teahouse.

• First of all, your draft was not "rejected", but rather "declined". This is a subtle but important difference. "Declined" means "this isn't ready yet, please improve it and we will look at it again". "Rejected" means "This will never be a valid article. Don't waste your own time by working on it, or our time by submitting it for review."
• Secondly, the decline message told you what the problem is: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Please read the linked guideline and policy pages, and also notability, Wikipedia's Golden Rule, WP:NBIO, and our guideline on autobiography.
• Lets take a quick look at the sources now cited in the article:
  • The flickr page simply shows that you have posted a photo to the web. Anyone can do that. It does not show that other people have taken note of you in any way.
  • The .yarat.az page does not appear to say anything about you at all. (source links should go directly to the place where supporting info may be found.) But if your name is somewhere further down the list of those short bios of participants, those appear to be written by the participants themselves, and so do not count at all for notability.
  • The contact.az page shows that Aziz Karimov won an award from the Photographers Association of Azerbaijan in 2013. But how significant was that award? The accompanying text is not at all significant coverage.
  • The /frittord.no page shows another award, and is of soemwhat greater value, but is still not really significant coverage.

You should include at least three independent reliable sources that show significant coverage for this to be approved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Listing cinemas on city webpages

A suggestion, it would help people to know if the city they are viewing has a cinema or not. Yes, I know, I can go to Google Maps and search, but just listing the fact, not the name, of a cinema in the city would be helpful.

Thank you, Ron 173.243.77.145 (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps, but Wikipedia is not a directory of such things – that's the purpose and specialty of Google Maps and various topic-specific directory sites. One good reason is that it is really not maintainable. The current crisis is a perfect object lesson. Many theaters (and theatres) have closed and will not re-open. Based on experience, it's not terribly likely that editors will go around and remove the ones that are no more or mark them closed. In general, people are in a big hurry to add things to Wikipedia, and largely dis-interested in maintaining that information through their life cycle. Over time, that's a recipe for a big pile of poor-quality information. Instead, Wikipedia wants to take a longer-term view, with durable, maintainable information. Places that have historical significance, like the Globe Theatre, are a good example of information that is suitable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Confusion about governments of Australia

In Wikipedia, Bob Hawke's fourth ministry is named as the 57th government of Australia and we are told that the next government is Paul Keating's first ministry. Yet Keating's first ministry is named as the 59th government of Australia. Surely Keating's first ministry should be number 58, and all the rest of the governments, up to Morrison's second ministry, are therefore currently named in Wikipedia with the wrong number. Morrison's second ministry should, taking a line through Hawke's fourth ministry, be number 72, not number 73. What happened to number 59, or is this simply an error which needs to be corrected?  CarinaBoy (talk) 22:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@CarinaBoy: Please try to provide a link to the article you refer to when posting here. Hawke Government does not have 57 in it and you have no other contributions for me to be able to figure out which article you are discussing. Also, the talk page of an article is generally the best place to discuss a particular article with editors who are knowledgeable and interested in the subject. For example, in the case of Hawke Government, that would be Talk:Hawke Government. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an admin

Can I become admin in Wikipedia? 182.75.63.86 (talk) 00:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I added a header to your question. If you create an account, and work hard, make a large number of good contributing edits over an extended period of time, and build a good reputation, and show that you need the admin tools, then you can apply at WP:RFA. Almost everything at Wikipedia can be done without being an admin, and you should consider it more of a cleanup job than anything else. RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, unregistered editor. Eventually, yes, if you work at it and have the needed skills. Anytime soon, no.

One must be a registered editor with over 500 edits even to apply. But I don't think i have ever seen a person approved with less than several thousand edits and 2-3 years of active editing, and more than that is more common. An admin should have practical experience in several different areas of Wikipedia, and be recognized by many as doing work that improves the project. A person thought of as doing work in order to become an admin is not nearly as likely to be approved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

IP: Why do you want to be an admin? You'll be asked to answer that question (and many more) and come up with a good reason the community should grant and trust you with tools than can easily be mis-used. You may be mistaken as to the nature of Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOT – being an admin here is nothing like being one on social media or forums. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I could so put an upvote or like or something to "being an admin here is nothing like being one on social media or forums". From what I have seen, it's way more painful to be an admin than a regular editor. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

No, Aditya, it isn't. What's painful is remaining polite while dealing with the most tiresome questions during the process of becoming (or not becoming) an administrator. This is an extraordinary waste of time, or so it seems. But imaginably it's a kind of personality test: somebody who can manage not to tell people who ask tiresome questions what they should do with themselves is on balance more likely to manage not to tell vandals and trolls what they should do with themselves. And an administrator must stay cool. -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

On WP, being an Admin is referred to as "wielding the mop". A job of service and hard work. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

An hour or two ago, Tribe of Tiger, I was wielding an actual mop, in an unattractive area (related to body functions) of an apartment. Working as an admin is different, and preferable. OTOH it is a sedentary occupation, and arguably "sitting is the new smoking". -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Well, yes, I can see why the WP mop is less messy and disgusting. Unless we acquire smell-o-rama, the WP mop is a more sanitary sort of job, despite the fact that I suspect some edits "stink to high heaven"! Seriously, take care, recently read something about Covid being carried along on feces fumes! Perhaps sitting on your "arse" might be safer, in that case! Outsiders don't understand what our WP Admins do. Hard, dangerous work, lots of complaints, and no pay. Bless you! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Unable to send e-mail to permission-commons

I have recently received an e-mail requesting that I send authorisation and confirmation for two photographs placed on the page Caroline Freeman College, Otago. I sent the necessary information to the requested e-mail address but it bounced back to me as undeliverable. Any advice? CFCWarden (talk) 01:18, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@CFCWarden: To what address did you send the email? Please copy and paste the address from the copy in your sent items folder. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@CFCWarden: Note that, according to c:Commons:Email templates, the address is permissions-commons@wikimedia.org . —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Layout problems

File:Screenshot of the current Bengali language page.png

A lot of whitespace between two sections

When I visited the Bengali language article a couple of days backs, I found that all the images in the first sections were getting pushed down, no matter where they are being placed, left or right. And it was leaving a lot of white space between two sections.

After a discussion here and some attempts to fix it by AlanM1, the whitespace and the pushing down of images remained. So I tried to do something about it. Removed one video, placed all the images in the top sections to left. Now the whitespace is gone. But all the images in the top section are still pushed down, and they are now in a bunch near the end of the top sections. None of them are showing in the position where they were placed.

Because of that, it is currently not possible to put any image in the history section to show beside the relevant text. BTW, I tried to put another image in another article and that got pushed downwards as well.

What is the problem? And how can it be fixed? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 01:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Aditya Kabir, Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#The_many-floating-objects_problem may be relevant. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Could very well be that. I tried removing all images, leaving only one in the top section, set to left. But that was pushed down too, like what happened at the other article. The same happened when I removed one or two infoboxes. Can one or two floating objects create the problem? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

re: edit to claire adams today

Hello I saw a message for my edit to claire adams on wikipedia- saying "not constructive'...my edit was factual, claire adams was not only a wealthy actress but also an animal rescue advocate; there is archive film from channel 31 on the 'yappy hour' showing the history and life of claire adams and her enormous contribution to dogs/animals. So my edit is very constructive and accurate/informative of this person- also I have been over the last few years making small financial contributions to wikipedia so I am quite offended by your message Whoever you are. ***This edited/additional information I provided should remain on this page, you can check out my information source*** 49.184.36.206 (talk) 05:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

If you are talking about this edit, then, I am afraid, your "information source" is not included in there. It will be very difficult to check the information source, if the source is not provided anywhere. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I have located some sources to support edits along the lines of the one you made. Please do not be offended because we are obligated to cite sources, this is what makes our articles reliable, and not unverifiable "junk".

I can certainly add info regarding her love of horses and dogs, now that I have a source. Thanks so much for bringing the article to our/my attention, I hope to add other info to it, not just about the animals. Will probably take a few days, I am slow. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Foundation that solicits and accepts donations is an entirely separate entity from Wikipedia, which is maintained by volunteers. What you got on your Talk page was a standard-worded answer when content is added without a reference, hence deleted. "Not constuctive" refers to the lack of a reference, not the validity of the content. David notMD (talk) 08:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Article rejected

Why my article is rejected? Pon Maa Kishan A 06:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponmaakishan (talk • contribs)

I suppose that you mean Draft:WINGS OF AERO. It wasn't rejected; it was declined. You have to base the draft on sources that are independent of Wings of Aero. You haven't done this. Indeed, you haven't mentioned a single independent source. -- Hoary (talk) 06:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Campaign / Bad Joke ?

In reading many different articles on a variety of different subjects, I keep seeing a particular person's name referenced. It strikes me as either a campaign or some sort of bad joke on Wikipedia. It would be interesting to perform a search of all Wikipedia articles for this name. Can that be done? Can I confidentially hand the name over to an experienced editor to look into this? Charles Juvon (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: If it's just a name (and not like, someone's email, social security number, home address, phone number), you can just tell us the name here (it'd also be helpful if you told us the names of a few of the articles you saw the name in). Ian.thomson (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid that could be taken by said person as defamatory. I do know IRC. Charles Juvon (talk) 07:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: Yes, anyone can use the toolbar to search mainspace articles for certain words. Pew Die Pie is often randomly added by his fans as an ongoing competition for hits against some other social media nonentity. There is no risk whatsoever in you purely mentioning a name you've seen. But you can email it to Ian, me or any other admin if you really feel the need. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: If there is a campaign to insert a name improperly, it would be useful for others to know it, so we can look out for it. It would also help identify accounts that are potentially not here to improve Wikipedia but instead to damage it, so we can prevent it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

 Implemented Charles Juvon (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Question from SA Lives Matter

What do I do here and how can I contribute?

Regards,

}} SALivesMatter (talk) 09:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SALivesMatter. The main thing people do here is to edit articles, and creater new ones, to improve the Encyclopedia. A list of useful tasks may be found at Wikipedia:Community portal. Many people find The Wikipedia adventure a useful starting place also. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC) @SALivesMatter: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing my previous edits to redo them in a single post

I made a couple of minor edits too hastily. I would like to remove the edits and the history of the edits in order to re-edit the article in a single go. Is that possible? "Sorry about the mess" sums up my feelings about being such a newbie here. Soonzuh (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Soonzuh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Edits are not typically removed from the edit history in these circumstances. Edits done in error are not uncommon and article histories are full of them. You may simply note in the edit summary that you are correcting an error with your prior edits. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Soonzuh: Don't sweat it. Newbies (and even us old folks) make mistakes. What distinguishes an editor is realizing a mistake they made and fixing it, instead of ignoring it or waiting for others to do it. That is appreciated by your colleagues here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

How to use Prove It

I have searched through help files and question archives and while I find much information on Help:Gadget-ProveIt (which I have enabled on my preferences), I can not find anywhere what to do to use it, how to invoke it. The two "demos" linked on the Widgets page don't explain it either. deisenbe (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: One thing is that it doesn't work on Wikipedia namespace, or any talk namespace, pages, so you have to edit a mainspace article. You'll see a black square with yellow brackets at the lower-left lower-right (beneath the Cat-a-lot if you have that too). Click on the black square to bring up the Prove-It window. Click it again in that window to minimize it again. Does that help? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Katpana Lake

I tried to create an article on Katpana Lake. I couldn't figure out how to add one of the many pictures of this little lake in Pakistan that are in Wiki Commons. But worse than that, the software said one of my references was blacklisted and that I should go back and remove it. But it didn't say how to 'go back.' I tried various things and finally got back to the editing page, but I didn't know which reference was unacceptable. So someone else can write this article. 213.109.220.236 (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC) 213.109.220.236 (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Which reference? GeraldWL 13:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: that was a pointless question to ask! -the OP already said they didn't know which reference was causing the problem. That said, the IP editor has not used that address to edit any such article, not can I find any draft or sandbox page contaiing that name. So unless the IP can link to the page they were working on, we are not going to be able to assist much. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

yeah. GeraldWL 14:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

There IS no draft because the Wikipedia software would not allow it to be created as long as the offending citation was present, and I was not about to go back and go through the process of eliminating each reference one at a time and then trying to get it published as a draft until finally one version without the blacklisted citation got through. That's why I'm hoping someone else will write about this lake. 213.109.220.236 (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the note, IP editor. I do have an interest in Gilgit-Baltistan-related articles, so I'll try to write one when I have time. Feel free to shoot me a note at my talk page if I forget, or if you need any other assistance. Best, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

IP: Assuming you have it offline, you can email me (←click that link) the article on Katpana Lake and I'll figure out what the problem is. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

How to move pages?

 Blockman9000 (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Blockman9000 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Censorship and Badgering

An editor has been removing 2 quotes from a biographical article, see link below without good reasons. The quotes are from the subject of the biography. The quotes are very relevant and absolutely necessary in proper understanding of the view point of the subject. This editor is citing WP:QUOTEFARM in a shoddy attempt to justify this blatant censorship and has now resorted to badgering me with multiple messages written in ominous tone on my talk page see [9] [10]. Please advice how to proceed in this case. *Talk:Swami_Karpatri#Censorship_of_2_Quotes_of_Karpatri_by_Srijanx22 Guy Foxx (talk) 13:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Guy Foxx, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a content dispute, and the Teahouse is not the place to take it: see dispute resolution for how to proceed if you cannot reach consensus on the article's talk page. Please remember to assume good faith: Wikipedia is created by many people with different views, and works by editors seeking consensus in good faith. Removing something you think important is not necessarily censorship. (I am not expressing any view on the rights or wrongs of the dispute: just talking about the way to pursue it). --ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with nomination for deletion in Marathi language

I am trying to nominate this page for deletion "https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A5%E0%A5%80_%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4" but I am unable to do so because the English tag doesn't work. This page has been deleted from the English wiki due to the lack of notability, so the subject tried on a different language. Please help! Iamstupidaflol (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I cannot read the non-English article, but because the English Wikipedia has different standards from other languages, it is possible that the article can exist elsewhere although deleted in English. David notMD (talk) 13:49, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Iamstupidaflol, different language Wikipedias are different and independent projects altogether. You are better off seeking help within the Marathi Wikipedia for how things work over there. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I be a good Wikipedian?

Hey, I am new in Wikipedia. How can I be good like others? Do I need to add sources for every sentences? Userths (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Userths, Hello and welcome, generally, you’d be a good Wikipedian by abiding by our policies and guidelines starting with WP:5P but I presume you are speaking particularly about article creation so for that I’d say reading WP:GNG, WP:YFA & WP:RS would be a great start. Finally, No, not every sentence requires a source(citation).Celestina007 14:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Userths: ... but many statements do. Basically anything that is not common knowledge should be cited so it can be verified by any reader. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

my wikipedia article got declined. Help!

my wikipedia article declined due to this reason: they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. now what should i do? link of my article is below. Draft:Sanjeev K. Mishra. – Sanjeevkumarmishra2001 (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sanjeevkumarmishra2001, Hello and welcome. Wikipedia isn’t synonymous to a WP:LINKEDIN site hence isn’t a free for all entry or an indiscriminate collection of biographical articles as we possess rules on which articles are notable enough to be retained on Wikipedia & which to decline, reject, delete & speedy delete. For starters, any biographical article must be notable and in most cases should satisfy either WP:GNG(Please read that immediately) or WP:BASIC. Wikipedia also isn’t a platform for promotion see WP:PROMO & WP:CSD#G11. Furthermore creating an article for yourself isn’t a good idea, please read WP:AUTO as it explains why it isn’t. My advise for you would be to understand how things work around here before proceeding to create other pages as article creation can be quite tricky. If you have further questions do let me know.Celestina007 16:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Declined, and then Speedy Deletion. A reason for why the SD is on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT: "recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional".

Hello, as i'm new to this i have no idea about many things on editing. The fact remains, the edit on the sport of "Surfing" on the island of Montserrat is in fact correct. I happen to know because I lived on the island during and knew about the two brothers.I do not know where to go with this from here. I don't see how my edit is promotional. Please specify. Yoleen Valai (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yoleen Valai: Welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition included the URL for the company's website which would be seen as trying to promote it and you did not include any references. Material in articles must be cited to a reliable source so that it can be verified, you can't use your own memory as a source. RudolfRed (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please delete the URL, as I can't seem to be able to navigate Wikipedia to find this! As for the source, I understand they are not from memories, that a bit ridicules to even fathom. The website would be a source like it or not. Just as any website would be a source...such as wikipedia. I've read a lot of wrong information on wikipedia. It's not a Bible as you may think. Do with it as you please. I don't have the time to continue with such issues. Yoleen Valai (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Yoleen Valai, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience right at the beginning of your Wikipedia editing: Wikipedia is such a big and complicated beast that that can easily happen.

As you point out, Wikipedia is not itself reliable. What gives it some value nonetheless is that ideally articles are supported by citing reliable published sources, so that a reader doesn't have to rely on the accuracy of what is stated in Wikipedia, but can get referred to a reliable source. (I say "ideally", because Wikipedia grew so quickly in its early days that we have tens of thousands of substandard articles; but we tend to be more careful with material that gets added now). Wikipedia itself is not acceptable as a source, and nor are most wikis, blogs, forums, iMDB, social media, and many other well-known sources. See reliability of Wikipedia for more.

In a similar way, to preserve Wikipedia's neutrality, we strongly limit links to commercial websites. An article about the company Surfing Montserrat could certainly have a link to their website; and might also cite the website for certain uncontroversial factual information such as dates and places. But in general citations should references should cite sources such as scholarly journals, major newspapers and magazines, and books from reputable publishers. A company whose business is promoting surfing in Montserrat is not regarded as a reliable independent source for information about surfing in Montserrat. Does that make sense? --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I restored the Surfers at Montserrat reference (in the right place), as I considered it informational rather than promotional. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Separate issue: You added an image Surfing Montserrat.jpg to the article and claimed it was your own work dated 28 August 2020. Did you take this photo? If so, it should be dated when it was taken, not when it was added to Wikipedia (the brothers lived there 1980-92). David notMD (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Reply to ColinFine

reply to ColinFine

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Wikipedia. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Wikipedia. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Yoleen Valai, this is a help forum. If this is in regards an earlier question, reply in that thread. If you wish to communicate with ColinFine directly, please do that at User talk:ColinFine. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

to collnfine. Sorry but I don't know how to mail anyone direct. This is too difficult. Please pass my message below on to Collnfine, thank you.

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Wikipedia. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Wikipedia. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC) Yoleen Valai (talk) 01:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @ColinFine:, in case there's more needing saying or fixing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Yoleen Valai. Thank you for your replies. As I said, Wikipedia is a complex system, and there is a lot to learn: nobody will hold honest mistakes against you. I see that David notMD has restored your edit to the article, in a different place.

To communicate with a particular editor, you can start a new section on their user talk page (mine is User talk:ColinFine), or you can continue an existing discussion by editing the section where the discussion began, and WP:pinging the user. That's what I've done here: I went "edit" on the section you began in the Teahouse, I added my reply at the end (using a colon ':' at the beginning of each paragraph to indent it), and I pinged you by putting {{U|Yoleen Valai}} at the start - as long I sign my message (which I see you know how to do) the software will notify you that i have replied. We tend not to use email, as discussions towards improving Wikipedia should be public. --ColinFine (talk) 08:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Resolving disputes

How are disuptes over content resolved? Monty330 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Monty330, and welcome to the Teahouse. You start by trying to reach a consensus by discussion on the article's talk page. If that isn't successful, WP:dispute resolution explains where to go next. --ColinFine (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Title

I am collecting a list of Wikipedia reading for new editors. I am aware that I should not be doing this right now, which I am not, But I am going to post the collection on our Meta-Wiki. I am making the list through Wikilinks. Can Wikilinks redirect through Wikis? HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

HelloImAStudent, does this help? M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

this HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HelloImAStudent The "this" link in M Imtiaz's first post is relevant; I'm not sure why they posted the second link. --ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Check those signatures again, ColinFine. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 21:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, M Imtiaz, misread. In that case, I have no idea what HelloImAStudent's reply was about. --ColinFine (talk) 08:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Polyhead

 2605:6000:1520:8EB5:E134:34AF:E348:44AB (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing

how do you add a picture to a article Alisha rains (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

As described in Help:Pictures. -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

living in a socialist country

I was looking for information of what it is like living in a socialist country Is there an Article on it? if so, what key words do I need to use.

If not, it would be a real interesting for me. I assume others are interested as well. I come from Iran, the country is not officially socialist. It is a Islamic Theocracy ... but they there were socialist things there, such as nationalizing factories ... shortage of food, standing in line to get bread, milk or such 47.219.251.10 (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

The Reference Desk might be a better place to ask. I'd start with our article on Socialism, which has some of what you might be looking for, as well as links to other articles on individual countries and events that are relevant. I don't know if there is an article specifically about the narrow topic of what life is like. You might try Special:Search.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlanM1 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

AfD nomination help

I just nominated an article for deletion, am trying to follow the steps in WP:AFDHOW but the formatting on [11] doesn't seem to be working per step 3. What did I do wrong? Retswerb (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

More specifically, the AfD log only shows my nomination text but has not created a title, a table of contents entry, or supplied any of the other template links that should have been included. Retswerb (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I now see that my deletion discussion page Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/Don K. Preston (2nd nomination) is what is messed up, the AfD log is just transcluding the info there. Still not sure how to fix it. Retswerb (talk) 00:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC) (Edited to correct wikilink)

Never mind, I fixed it. The directions at WP:AFDHOW step 2 confused me. Retswerb (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

You might have a look at WP:TWINKLE for future AfDs. With Twinkle, it only takes a couple of clicks to process the actual AfD. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've got the page open already checking it out. Thanks for the tip! Retswerb (talk) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Retswerb: My pleasure. Once you get it installed, there will be a menu item called "TW", for Twinkle, at the top, next to the usual edit and history tabs. Click that, then XFD. Select AFD from the list that pops up and you are almost done. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Chatbot has undone my edit

How can I make improvement on the page Oscar Martinez (The Office) after bot undoing my edit? Editingwork8 (talk) 04:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Editingwork8. Your edits were reverted by User:ClueBot NG, an essential anti-vandalism bot. You have the option of reporting the reversion as a false positive. My guess is that the bot responded because you removed a lot of content including references. I understand that you and at least one other editor are of the opinion that the article contained excessive detail. I suggest discussing your plans at Talk:Oscar Martinez (The Office) where the perceived problem has not been discussed. I also suggest that you remove content in smaller chunks, with clear explanations in your edit summaries. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Radio Channel site for references?

Can the information contained in the site https://www.wkms.org/ be used for referencing content? Will it be considered a valid source for confirmation? Editingwork8 (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Editingwork8. WKMS-FM is affiliated with National Public Radio and I would consider it a generally reliable source. I have referenced other NPR stations many times without problems. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen³²⁸ Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

unrelated source

The page Devendrakula Velalar has a section called called 'Devendrakula vellar nattars' which cites [this source] which is:

• not reliable as it does not seem to be mentioning the authour also it is overly glorifying the concerned caste

• The content and the source don't match up.

Admins kindly take a look and make appropriate edits as the article is not accessible to non admins.Koronerman (talk) 04:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Koronerman, it is unlikely that an admin will volunteer to implement your request from only having seen it here, especially in such a controversial article. Please use Edit requests at the talk page of the article to request edits to it when you can not edit it yourself. Instructions are at the linked page. There is also the new Edit Request Wizard which I have not used myself, so feel free to try it out and tell us if it was helpful. I see that the article was protected because of disruptive editing related to a dispute; if your request has anything to do at all with that dispute, you will be required to obtain consensus at the talk page before the edit request is implemented. To obtain consensus, please start a discussion on the topic of the dispute and {{ping}} other parties to the dispute to participate. If that does not work, you would need to try other steps in Dispute Resolution. I know it does not sound ideal but no one has come up with a better (accepted) alternative to managing disputes in this encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

My request to edits have been unanswered on a few pages.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Moved to WP:Help desk § Requests to edits have not been answered on multiple talk sections of pages

Hi, I've requested edit via correct format on some pages' talk sections, they are still unanswered. What's the right way to go for this if it still persists? Talhatauqeer (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Talhatauqeer: Please use only one help forum for a particular issue. I've linked to your other, more detailed, request at the Help Desk above. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Can this site be used for referencing?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/ Editingwork8 (talk) 06:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: Yes, I believe so. Calgary Herald seems to be a newspaper with a long history, and I don't see any complaints about it here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 Thanks for bringing clarity to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

How To Become Wikipedia Admin?

Hello I Am New Wikipedia Editor But I Want To Become Wikipedia Administrator So Please Give Me Some Tips To Become An Admin. TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Be an editor for a few years and make more than 10000 edits in that period. Note that admins are more or less wieldeling the mop here, its an sometimes unpleasent and hard job you commonly arent rewarded for. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: Please see the responses above at #Becoming an admin and please don't capitalize every word in your postings. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming an administrator for more details. However, there are lots of ways that a person can contribute to Wikipedia that doesn't require them becoming an administrator. When a new editor such as yourself inquires about becoming an administrator after making only eleven edits, it generally indicates a lack of familiarity with Wikipedia and a misundertanding of the kinds of things an adminstrator typically does. So, often the best tip that can be given to such people is suggest that they focus on improving articles and learning about Wikipedia for awhile instead of trying to become an administrator. Once you establish a track record for making positive contributions and show the Wikipedia community that you're here for the right reasons; others will notice and may even starting asking if you want to become an administrator. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

How to create an article?

I Had Created Several Articles But All The Time My Articles Has Been Deleted. Please Give Me Some Tips To Make A Good Articles. I Wanna Create A Article Which Won't Be Delete. Sorry For Bad English But Reply If You Understand. ☺ TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 08:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: I've left some information on your talk page at User talk:TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please do not capitalize every word. Your edit history shows that you became an editor on 28 August and have not created any articles. Were your previous edits made before you registered an account, or as a different account? Regardless, the information left on your Talk page can help. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Referring to a person on their own article

Do we always have to refer to a person by their surname, or can forenames be used occasionally?

I'm wondering this because I'm trying to tidy up, and slightly expand an article for an actress I remember watching on TV as a kid, but don't know much about.

All I know is that:

• She's been married at least 3 times, possibly 4 or more times.
• She's a part time actress, and former Police woman. She owns an acting school which is named after her 2nd or 3rd married name, and is an acting agent under a different company name.
• She's used at least 4 different surnames - 1 of which is her birth name, and 2 of which were different to her husbands surname at the time for some reason.
• She has 3 children - 1 of which is an actress and her sister, both of which have the surname of their father who was also an actor. And an older child who has a different surname altogether.

It gets a bit confusing referring to her by her current married surname, especially in the personal life section. Danstarr69 (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I am a fairly new Wikipedia editor, so don't take this as a definitive answer. But my own view is that you would normally refer to an adult by the full name the first time you mention them, and after that by their surname. But you would refer to children by their first name. An obvious exception would be when the article refers to more than one person who has the same surname. That's my general rule. But the case that you describe is obviously more unusual. The best I can suggest is that you refer to your sources to see how other writers have handled the situation. Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: this appears to be about Tonicha Jeronimo.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please refer to MOS:SURNAME and MOS:SAMESURNAME for more specific details, but generally MOS:MOS advises us to use the surname only for subsequent mentions unless doing so creates unnecessary confusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Danstarr69, and welcome to the Teahouse! Generally, we refer to someone by their full name the first time, and from then on by their surname. There are some exceptions, such as when someone is primarily known by a mononym, such as Beyoncé. For more info on using names in articles, see MOS:NAME. Hope this helps! Regards, Giraffer (munch) 11:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Giraffer I think I'm going to use Tonicha Jeronimo's birth and maiden name Jeronimo, which she's currently using on social media and LinkedIn, but not on her acting school and acting agency website where she's using her recently married name. I started editing her IMDB profile around a month ago, but put it on hold when I realised she uses multiple names. She seems to go back to her maiden name every time she gets divorced, and doesn't seem to have used her newly married name for any acting roles yet. I've just found out that her first born child, and her other children all have the same father, even though the eldest uses a different surname altogether. I suspect he uses his middle name to dissociate himself from his parents, as he wants to be an actor, so he can't be accused of nepotism if he does become an actor.

Danstarr69 (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Despite being married eight times, Elizabeth Taylor (her birth name), continued to use Taylor because her movie career started before her first marriage. Her four children (one adopted) went by the names of their fathers (Wilding, Wilding, Todd, Burton). David notMD (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Why do some categories have "Category:" prefixed and others don't?

This isn't very important, but it bothers me that I can't figure it out.

Copied from User:Deisenbe:

• Abolitionism in the United States
• Category:African-American college graduates before 1865
• Category:African-American expatriates
• African-American monuments and memorials
• Category:African-American politicians during the Reconstruction Era
• Category:American Fire-Eaters
• Category:Amistad
• Benjamin Tillman
• Category:Black slave owners in the United States
• Capitals of Kansas
• Confederate expatriates
• Category:Donald Trump-related lists
• Category:Enslaved workers at the University of Virginia
• Category:Expansion of slavery in the United States
• Category:Florida's black junior colleges
• Former municipalities in New York (city)
• George Floyd protests
• Historically segregated African-American schools in Florida
• History of slavery in the District of Columbia

etc, Thanks for enlightening me. deisenbe (talk) 09:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Because, if you look at the source, there are piped links for those that don't show "Category:", e.g. [[:Category:History of slavery in the District of Columbia|History of slavery in the District of Columbia]]. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of adding a colon before the first entry on your list, as without it you had included this Teahouse page in Category:Abolitionism in the United States. David Biddulph (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong information about Ayurveda

Ayurveda (/ˌɑːjʊərˈveɪdə, -ˈviː-/)[1] is an alternative medicine system with historical roots in the Indian subcontinent.[2] The theory and practice of Ayurveda is pseudoscientific.[3][4] The Indian Medical Association (IMA) characterises the practice of modern medicine by Ayurvedic practitioners as quackery.[5]

This is absolutely wrong. Ayurveda is a centuries old science that has been developed and practised in Bharatha (India) for eons. Kindly remove this false description of Ayurveda. Please allow editing of the page so that it can be changed. 103.5.132.28 (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics. The passage you mention is well cited. You are free to discuss your concerns on the article talk page (Talk:Ayurveda) and even make edit requests detailing changes you feel are needed. However, you will need independent reliable sources to support your proposed changes, and even if they are valid, that will not make the views of the Indian Medical Association go away. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Retiring.

My mental health has been worsening the last few months and I am sick and tired of dealing with it. I would like to retire from Wikipedia. Is there any procedure for doing so? I wish to end everything. Screw this. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 13:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Editor has cleared User and Talk pages and place the RETIRED banner on both. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Дрейгорич: Thank you for your 1,200+ contributions over the last two years. Your well-being is the most important thing to focus on, and Wikipedia will always be here for you should you ever wish to pick things up again. Your help in creating the worlds biggest online encyclopaedia is appreciated. With all our best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference question

I worked on a page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katya_Cengel Two places need a citation. I absolutely can not find a viable reference. Do I leave it as is or do I remove the information needing a citation? WikiJSPN (talk) 13:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiJSPN: You can leave it because there is Citation needed there.Do not worry.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, WikiJSPN, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I'm going to disagree with Nihaal The Wikipedian: if you have looked for a reliable source and can't find one, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Please remove it. If somebody else can find a source, they may restore it. --ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Split the difference - take out that she teaches at UC Berkeley, but leave in (with citation needed) where she got her college degree from. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Colin's answer is especially correct for information about living people. We need to be especially careful about not including any unsourced material of that type, in keeping with the "biographies of living persons" policy. DMacks (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Should I preserve a toollabs prefix when updating a broken link?

Hi Teahouse! This is my first post here, thank you for providing all these resources to help new editors! I joined WikiProject Children's Literature and wanted to fix the broken hyperlink for the cleanup listing in the project's infobox. I think the cleanup listing link is intended to go to https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. But the current code for the link in the infoxbox has a toollabs prefix: toollabs:bambots/cwb/bycat/Children's literature.html. Should I try to preserve the toollabs prefix? I tried putting in toollabs:bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, but with that link, my browser gives a "Your connection isn't private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from bambots.brucemyers.com.toolforge.org" warning instead of taking me right to the page. Is there a way I can preserve the toollabs prefix but have it go straight to the https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html? Or is it fine to swap out the https link for the toollabs link, losing the toollabs prefix? I don't want to unintentionally take away a valuable function, if toollabs has a purpose I'm not aware of. I tried searching for more information about toollabs, but didn't find much clear information about what toollabs might be doing in this specific instance. Thank you so much, I appreciate your help! Merenby (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Merenby: Welcome.

When I go to https://bambots.toolforge.org/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, the page reads (in its entirety): The bambots tools have been moved to a new server. The new server can be found at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. The latter link works for me and is a to a personal web domain; I assume the bot maintainer moved the code away from Toolforge, a domain hosting various bots and other scripts for Wikimedia projects. (I assume there is no difference between Tool Labs and Toolforge because wikitech:Tool Labs redirects to the Toolforge page.) Therefore, it is neither needed nor smart to keep the toollabs prefix. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Stinger

I do not know where to post this. User:DHHeadrick has changed (1, 2) uses of the word "stinger" to "sting" and added "The term "stinger" is incorrectly used when referring to the piercing organ of venomous arthropods, the correct term is sting" at the top of the article, which does not seem appropriate. Another user has agreed on DHHeadrick's talk page that "stinger" is incorrect. Should the edits be reverted? J3133 (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Common usage seems to disagree with these two editors. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

My common usage would agree with those two editors. J3133: if editors disagree, then the proper course is to discuss it on the talk page, and if consensus can't be reached, to follow dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

One problem with the dispute is that DHHHeadrick is providing his own published content (ref #1) as the reference for "sting" over "stinger". My personal opinion is that when an insect stings me, it is with its stinger. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I reverted. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is on the Talk page of the article, where you can catch up with previous discussion of this issue.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the article talk page is the right place to discuss this. Both terms are equally valid in the article, and should be present in the lead in my view. On the European side of the Atlantic, I can say I regard 'stinger' as more of an Americanism, and that 'sting' would make more sense colloquially. (But see this abstract in American Entologist.) Neither are real anatomical terms, so both usages really should be present, especially as the article covers a range of taxonomic groups. I note that 'Sting apparatus' is often used to describe the whole venom-injecting mechanism of various invertebrate groups. What is not acceptable is someone with one strong view posting their opinions and citation at the very top of the page. That discussion belonged in the talk page, not the article, unless there are sources which discuss the etymology of the term, in which case they should go inside a section with that sub-heading. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

someone reverted my edits

Sphilbrick reverted my edits (worked really hard) in the Department of Law, University of Calcutta. how do i reverse this? there is no copyright infringement! https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html Based.brahmin (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Based.brahmin: welcome to the Teahouse. The administrator who reverted your edit (and then had it removed completely) made it clear to you on your user talk page that they believed you had violated copyright. The best way to deal with that is to engage with them by responding, pointing to any 'Creative Commons' licencing that permitted the deleted text to be reused elsewhere, or explaining why you feel they made an error. We are all human - these things happen, so the simplest way is to politely enquire and to explain your position. However, it looks to me like you simply lifted vast chunks of text from https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html (a copyrighted website) and pasted it into the article. We do not allow that, so please do not do that again. Instead, write using your own words and be succinct in what you say, and avoid 'close paraphrasing'. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Tagging guides for a newbie.

"‪File source is not properly indicated: File:Chomel...‬". I used the upload wizard and I encountered this.. Do you have any guide for editing there are lots of tags and I don't know how to use them yet. the syntax and usage of tags. I need a guide please.. 2403:6200:8840:143:4134:4685:8284:5B9C (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Site in Progress

Leniency while I construct the site I am in the progress of reconstructing the site for an elderly scientist, unable to do the work himself. Completing the site is therefore urgent. An approved draft was created by the scientist's spouse, and I am in the process of transitioning the CV-like content to an informative narrative. To my frustration, someone keeps removing the existing content, which I would must restore manually. Please, PLEASE give me a grace period to rearrange the content to a narrative. I am wasting time restoring deletions and time is something we do not have right now. VLShalin (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @VLShalin, you should ensure you read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure before continuing. Unfortunately, we don't make exceptions, so you'll have to liaison with the editor in question who is reverting your edits. You can see who this is in the "history" tab of a page. Ed talk! 16:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

That editor appears to be Sumanuil. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea how to communicate with this editor. Regarding COI, I am a former student of the scientist in question. However, I can speak on behalf of myself and the scientist (and anyone else who is likely to contribute) that we are "just the facts" historians inasmuch as this is possible. Certainly not paid, and motivated to assure that the period in question doesn't get lost.