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Draft:W. J. Watt & Co. undelete

Could you undelete Draft:W. J. Watt & Co., as WP:G13 does not apply? Techie3 (talk) 04:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Techie3,
I've restored the draft. G13 did apply, the last edit to the page was May 29, 2020 which is over 6 months ago. However, the draft had been restored but the restoring admin didn't indicate this with an edit to the draft and so it appeared to be eligible for G13 again. This was an oversight. Liz Read! Talk! 04:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

92.29.111.12

Can user:92.29.111.12 please be blocked asap. See their filter log and contribs. CLCStudent (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done It's strange how they pick these obscure articles to damage. It must be random. Liz Read! Talk! 20:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CSD of Template:John Washington

Hello! I see that you removed my speedy-deletion nomination on Template:John Washington. I am letting you know that John M. Washington (Slave and Author) — a page with the exact same content — was deleted under CSD G12. As such, I am adding a CSD template again (under G12 this time) instead of proposing a move to the Draft: namespace. I am just letting you know so that you don't see it as edit-warring! — Twassman [Talk·Contribs] 23:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Twassman,
The page was initially tagged for deletion as a test and it didn't look like a test edit to me, it looked like an article draft. Now it's tagged for copyright reasons which is quite a different matter. But thanks for letting me know.
When admins remove a CSD tag, it doesn't always mean we think that the article should exist, it just means that it doesn't meet the criteria that the tagger selected. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you for the response! I was just making sure so that there would be no conflict. — Twassman [Talk·Contribs] 01:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Speedy

Okay, I thought I had created that myself. My bad. ToThAc (talk) 04:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all, ToThAc. You go back into anyone's talk page edit history, you'll find all of us have received plenty of warning notices. I still receive them. Liz Read! Talk! 04:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ninth Generation Video Game Consoles

Hello! I've seen the english Wikipedia, the new Ninth Generation Video Game Consoles is released in November, 2020. The Xbox Series S and X, and the PlayStation 5 Ninth generation video game consoles. The Category is deleted, but these new Ninth Generation Video Game Consoles is released, The Xbox Series X and the Xbox Series S is released in November 11, 2020, while the PlayStation 5 is released on November 12, 2020, and in Europe November 19, 2020, and also in Hungary released in November 19, 2020. The category is can be re-create, like i said before, these consoles are is released already. I perfectly speak English and Hungarian language, so i understand everyone, that people can speak English language, and Hungarian language. I just saying that, so, i can understand you, like everyone else. Have nice day, and good day! Bye! --TomFZ67 (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, TomFZ67,
I don't know what you are talking about. Liz Read! Talk! 19:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, i'm talking about this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ninth_generation_of_video_game_consoles That's a page, that i am talking about it, it was deleted, for one month ago. --TomFZ67 (talk) 20:04, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, TomFZ67,
Thanks for the link, that really helps me understand. Unlike other forms of deletion (like AFD, CFD or TFD), if a category is deleted simply for being empty, it can be recreated whenever there is a true need for it. So, should articles on Ninth generation of video game consoles start appearing, I assume the category would exist again. Liz Read! Talk! 21:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

92.40.168.224

user:92.40.168.224 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Talk page deleted, too. Liz Read! Talk! 19:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, might want to look at this too. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, davidwr. I didn't think to check the page creation log. Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Turkism template

I have nominated the template with no clear name (either Anti Turkism or Anti Turkish sentiment) for deletion. The template is wrongly formatted and needs a fix or a deletion. Turkism isn't really a good name as Turkism doesn't even exist as a wikipedia page. Pan Turkism would be the name but check the Pan Turkism article first, it is closely associated with racists. Like real ones, even competing with the NAZIs. Anti Turkish sentiment, ok, but the template needs a fix. I tried to fix this, but I can't, I tried.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Paradise Chronicle,
Can you provide a link to the page you are concerned about? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 22:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. Template:Anti-Turkism I nominated it for speedy deletion for a test page but then you removed something which I thought would be the speedy deletion tag. So I came to you. Now the template is used with the double name (Anti Turkism and Anti Turkish Sentiments) in a large number of articles which do not even mention Anti-Turkish sentiments let alone anti-Turkism, and many of the articles are within the scope of the Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide or the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.So I nominated the template for a normal deletion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Category:Buildings listed on the Record of Protected Structures of Ireland Comment

Hi there, you deleted Category:Buildings listed on the Record of Protected Structures of Ireland because it was blank. It had been blanked without discussion and I had raised an objection on the talk page. No-one had replied on the talk page. Can you revert the deletion so it can be discussed please? --GeneralBelly (talk) 21:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, GeneralBelly,
The category was not deleted because it was blank but because it was empty. Empty categories are deleted on Wikipedia if they sit empty for 7 days. Should there be a need for it in the future, feel free to recreate it. A discussion is not necessary unless the category is nominated for deletion at CFD which it was not. If there is a page that you think fits this category, recreate the category. Liz Read! Talk! 22:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense, thanks a million, will do. --GeneralBelly (talk) 22:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Draft: Inca Pisac

Dear Liz,

I have received your message about the decision to delete the draft of Inca Pisac.

Above the small town of Pisac in Peru is a massive Inca complex consisting of a fortress, residential housing and religious structres which is similar in size to Machu Picchu. The government of Peru has protected it by establishing an archeological park around it. At the time I created the draft there was no dedicated article on it and only a couple of paragraphs about it in the article on the town of Pisac. My draft had 21 pages.

Editor Robert McCleanon rejected it, saying it should be incorporated into the article on the town. I replied to him that this was equivalent to the standalone article on the Alhambra (which is its equivalent in Spain) being merged into the article on the city of Granada or Edinburgh Castle being merged into the article on the city of Edinburgh. I even suggested where he could see images so that he could see how big it is.

He never replied to me, when all I wanted for all the research I had done on this important place to be recorded.

I have since then entertained thoughts of sneaking around his opinion by coping the information to a new article with a title such as "Pisac National Archeological Park or "Inca Complex at Pisac" but I suspected he would most likely block these as well, so I gave up and have put my energies into other articles. His lack of courtesy put my back up and so I haven't done anything.

Since I was blown way from a visit to Pisac I really want to ensure that there is an article on it for people who visit it and want to know more, so there is very little online about it. Is there any way forward?

The point I want to make is that editors need to work with contributors to progress articles instead of refusing into enter into any discussions. I have found over the 1,000 articles I have edited or created to date that some editors can really destroy contributors enthusiasm.

John

Hello, John
I have restored Draft:Inca Písac. It was only deleted because no one had been working on it for 6 months. Drafts that are deleted for these reasons (being "stale") can be restored upon request. If you are seeking help with your draft, I'd suggest going to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk or Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Peru (although this WikiProject does not seem to be very active). The Teahouse can also offer assistance. But since you have been around for quite a while, you might already know about these resources. Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Morgz

Hi, I've recently begun work on creating a page for the YouTuber Morgz, which you can view at the top of my Sandbox. I noticed that the page is protected from being created, with you being the protecting administrator. The deletion log shows that the article was deleted in early 2019, and I feel that since then, the topic has grown notable enough to merit its own Wikipedia article. In the next few days I hope to have a complete draft written up in my sandbox with sufficient reliable sources on the topic. That being the case, I was wondering what the proper steps would be to get the page created. Thank you, and I await your response. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, JJonahJackalope,
That article was not just deleted. It was deleted SIX times. It was deleted through an AfD deletion discussion. Typically, articles that are recreated after an AfD deletion discussion must be substantially different from the version that was deleted. That makes it difficult for you because deleted content is only visible to administrators. So, you must ensure that your content has solid reliable sources.
My recommendation is, when you are finished, submit your draft to Articles for Creation for review. If a reviewer approves your draft, I, or any administrator, can lift the protection and the article can be moved from draft space to main space. At this point, after so many article deletions, any version of this article should be reviewed by an experienced editor. The folks at AfC are the experts here and they have a Help page that can address any questions that come up about your review. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It would also be helpful for you to review Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability and you can ask people at WikiProject YouTube for assistance and advice. Liz Read! Talk! 01:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply, I think I'll work on the draft a great deal more, talk to members of that WikiProject, and pursue the article through AfC. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 01:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2020.

                 Current and upcoming events

Election time: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before Auld Lang Syne. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

December Blitz: This will run from 13 to 19 December, and will target all Requests. Sign up now.

Drive and Blitz reports

September Drive: 67 fewer articles had copy-edit templates by this month's close. Of the 27 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and 124 articles were claimed for the drive.

October Blitz: this ran from 18 to 24 October, and focused on articles tagged for copy-edit in July and August 2020, and all Requests. Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors copy-edited at least one article. 21 articles were claimed for the blitz.

November Drive: Of the 18 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and together claimed 134 articles. At the close of the drive, 67 fewer articles were in the backlog and we had dealt with 39 requests.

Other news

Progress report: As of 09:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 663 requests (18 from 2019) since 1 January and there were 52 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 494 (see monthly progress graph above).

Annual Report for 2020: this roundup of the year's activity at the Guild is planned for publication in late January or early February.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Seasonal tidings and cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist.

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Haris Stamboulidis restored page

Hi Liz, the page was restored, but name is incorrect. It should read Haris Stamboulidis not " Stampoulidis" can you fix this for me? Thank you Akarnikos (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Haris Stamboulidis ready for publication

Hi Liz, Haris Stamboulidis is already playing professional in Spain and has a wiki page. He has met the notibility requirements. I want to appeal and review this decision. Can you review this? Akarnikos (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Akarnikos,
Please submit it to Articles for Creation for review. I am not a part of AfC and do not review drafts. If you have additional questions, the Teahouse is very helpful. Liz Read! Talk! 23:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, when the page was restored, it was restored with the wrong surname. It should be "Stamboulidis" is this something you can rectify or do I speak to this group to speak about? Thank you again for your quick response Akarnikos (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was restored to Haris Stampoulidis which is incorrect Akarnikos (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide me with a link to the page you are talking about? Liz Read! Talk! 23:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I found it and moved the draft. Liz Read! Talk! 23:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please clear the G3 Category? It is flooded.

4thfile4thrank (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 4thfile4thrank,
I got to some of them but there were only 12 pages, that's not really flooded. There are 33 pages tagged as spam. There are quite a few admins that patrol CSD categories so someone will get to them all. Liz Read! Talk! 05:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You for the Welcome - and Help

Hi Liz! I appreciate your welcome! I've been a Wikipedia reader for over a decade, a member for about 4 years, and have started writing more.

FYI, I responded to your note on my talk page, but I'm not sure if I did it right, so I'm reaching out here. Apologies if you get this twice - I'm still learning.

Since you suggested, I would welcome your help. I have been happy to write about topics in my area of expertise, which include logistics, technology, and history. I have been blindsided by a mean-spirited person who has decided to attack me. I am the subject of a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Gordon_(businessman). Someone going by the name "Krutapidla2" formed a single-purpose account, for the sole purpose of posting defamatory content on my site. He must have some sort of vendetta, although I have no idea why. Since I am not a Wikipedia editor, and do this in my spare time, I decided to seek help, and posted a request on a site, in order to take down the defamatory content. "Krutapidla2" then reposted the defamatory content, deleted other positive content, and went on a rampage. He also marked the page for deletion, and added a notation that my page may have been edited for undisclosed payments. This is, of course, the height of irony. The only reason a paid editor offered to help me was to take down the defamatory content in the first place!

This person has continued his destructive behavior. I undid his changes. Then he put them back up. Another person undid his changes. Then he put them back up. And he had the temerity to accuse me of being a paid editor (which I clearly am not, as reflected among many things by my poor knowledge of Wikipedia systems)! Pot, meet kettle.

I am not a Wikipedia expert, but isn't this kind of destructive conduct exactly what the Wikipedia code of conduct is intended to prevent? Can you close down this slanderous "Krutapidla2"? Can you unmask him so he is prevented from continuing his harmful conduct? And can you remove the "undisclosed payments" mark and the "considered for deletion" mark? FYI, after this whole Krutapidla2 fiasco, the editor posted details on the talk page, so he provided full disclosure. And more importantly, none of this would have happened if not for the slanderous postings in violation of neutrality.

Thank you. I appreciate it! Bengee123 (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bengee123,
Since you have an article on Wikipedia on yourself, please do not edit. This is a clear cut case of Conflict of Interest. You might want to also look at Wikipedia policy on Biography of Living Person that has influence over content on biographies of living people. Should you ever wish to file a complaint, you'd best go to BLP Noticeboard. As for Krutapidla2, he was the subject of a complaint on Edit Warring Noticeboard and received a 3 day block. We do not do "unmasking" as that is a violation of Outing policy. Liz Read! Talk! 04:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, thank you. Yes, that's clear. I'm not sure if you know, but I haven't edited the article at all. All I did was read the Wikipedia rules, note the policies for biographies of which you are a subject (exactly as you noted), and request a rollback of Krutapidla2's defamatory postings (which he continues to repost, and continues to take other harmful actions). Isn't that the correct thing to do? What else is possible? How can you prevent this person, who obviously has some sort of personal vendetta, from continuing to cause me harm? And how can you undo the other negative marks he has put on the article? Thank you in advance for your help! Bengee123 (talk) 05:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy advice

Hey Liz, since you seem to be a speedy deletion whiz, I'd like to run this by you: Kalakar Awards was deleted after an AFD took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalakar Awards. I discovered two content forks at Kalakar Award for Best Actress and Kalakar Award for Best Actor both created years before the AFD. 1) Should they be deleted? 2) Under what speedy criteria? I'm leaning toward G8: Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page, since as content forks they do sort of rely on us first having an article about the award. The examples listed in the guidelines don't exactly fit, but I'm not sure what other rationale I could/should use. If you have a better suggestion, my ears are wide open. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Cyphoidbomb,
Not sure I'm a whiz but let's see what you have here. Although I delete a lot of pages, I'm generally an inclusionist so if I came upon these pages on my own, I'd probably just PROD them and see if anyone comes to work on improving them. There is also an existing Category:Kalakar Awards winners despite the deleted Kalakar Awards article. And there is also Draft:Kalakar Awards that exists.
But there could be legitimate grounds for speedy deleting them since the parent article was deleted...the Best Actress article, however, is in better shape than the Kalakar Awards was or the Draft version is. Also, the article creator has since been blocked as a sockpuppeteer but these articles weren't created by a sockpuppet but by the master before he was blocked so G5 doesn't apply. I guess you were thinking of G8 as Subpages with no parent page but these aren't really subpages. You might find it easier to argue for A7 if you consider the Kalakar Awards a nonimportant organized event. It's really a judgment call and comes down to not only what is appropriate but what can you defend should your deletion decision be challenged.
But I think I would just PROD them and offer the explanation you gave me when you tag the pages. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 15:00, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty, PROD it is. Thanks Liz! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if this is annoying but I needed to talk to you about something

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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I'm sorry about that email. I sometimes overreact to things. You can just ignore what I said. Toad62 14:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Toad62. Haven't seen it yet, I only check email once or twice a day. Liz Read! Talk! 14:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Municipal Boroughs of Nottinghamshire

Yes please delete it. I did raise a speedy request, the capitalization is incorrect. Red Jay (talk) 16:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SelavkaS2020

user:SelavkaS2020 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 22:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Thanks for contributing the world with Wikipedia. Please if u have time check my answer for talk on my page, trying to contribute to Wikipedia. Best regards,

Marko Crncevic (talk) 11:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Some help

Hi Liz, we could use some help with W656411 (talk · contribs). Thank you, JNW (talk) 05:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, JNW,
I'm sorry that I didn't see your message last night. I'm usually pretty good at responding on my talk page. It looks like Tony took care of it. Thanks for drawing our attention to the situation. Liz Read! Talk! 20:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, Liz. They were ripe for a block back in July, with bilge like this [1], but seem to have felt like having a final fling late last night. JNW (talk) 21:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's interesting to see accounts that were created years ago come back to Wikipedia and find that standards have changed over the years. And they are oblivious to how their efforts to "depoliticize" articles are actually very political. Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I never thought of that; my take was that the account's standards have changed, and is merely using the encyclopedia as a place to vent prejudices. From there it's a short leap to rationalize one's objectivity. JNW (talk) 03:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your take is probably more on the mark, JNW. Since November, we have had quite a few older, long dormant accounts be revived and return to try to correct what they judge to be liberal bias on the project. Of course, they are only concerned with about a dozen articles out of the 6+ million articles here. Liz Read! Talk! 03:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is interesting, Liz. It suggests to me that they're upset by what the perceive as a terrifying slide toward, oh, I don't know....civil and human rights. Wiki is just a last ditch effort to set things straight, for the record, to 1902. Before they return to the gun shop. JNW (talk) 03:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It reminds me of when the Men's Rights advocates come by to delete most of the Feminism articles. Pretty easy to spot. Of course, there are some very smart conservative editors who challenge bias when they see it but they know Wikipedia policy and spend their time debating the slant of particular statements on article talk pages, not cutting articles to shreds with a machete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The machete-wielders are easy enough to stop. It's their pervasiveness, not just on Wiki, that's discouraging. JNW (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not delete my draft

Hello Liz, It took more than 3 months for anyone to respond to my draft of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aggelos_Kiayias and now you're trying to delete it! Please don't. I've asked the reviewer to explain their comments. I simply don't understand how they can dismiss 12 references, including to the FT, patent applications from Airbus and peer-reviewed papers, as primary sources. I tried tto use the form on the page but it did not seem to work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, GreyStar456,
Why do you think I want to delete Draft:Aggelos Kiayias? I deleted your sandbox because it hadn't been edited in six months. But, if you read the notice I posted on your talk page, you'll see that you can get it restored at WP:REFUND or by asking me. We delete abandoned drafts after inactivity for six months but if you want to work on them, they can be restored, easily. Liz Read! Talk! 01:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Looking forward to your reply! Boudewijn (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ion pair/ion association

Dear Liz, I am puzzled by your comment on my reversion - I gave what I thought was a clear reason - You say I driected to a blank page - I thought I had directed to the page "ion association" which as I said, talks about ion pairs, while the linked page "ionic bonding" does not talk about ion pairs. I see lots of stuff about ion pairs, on the not blank page "ion association". Any ideas what might be going wrong, and why you see a blank page and I saw a page with info about the phrase I had redirected there?

Skihatboatbike (talk) 10:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Skihatboatbike,
If you look at your edit here, you'll see a red link which shows you changed the redirect to a blank page. Liz Read! Talk! 19:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see it now, neither of us had seen my typo in the word association. I will try again with better spelling. More comupter friendly glasses may be in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skihatboatbike (talk • contribs) 11:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since you asked...

On my RfA, you asked if I would expect my log to include admin duties. I did start it, as a separate page; User:Hammersoft/adminlog. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hammersoft,
First, congratulations! Second, you might also use Template:Adminstats, as you can see on User:Liz/Admin which also appears on my user page. It isn't as detailed as your manually maintained list of course, but many admins have this template on their user page. Also, if you get behind in keeping up your list (which can easily happen if you do a lot of admin work), you can always look at your logs which you can find on your Contributions page. They keep track of all page creations, page deletions, editors blocked etc. Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "warning"

So I've been repeatedly hit with personal attacks for trying to follow process [2] including If a couple of you want to jerk yourselves off and accused falsely of "wasting time" and of course [3], and then I get the personal attack calling me "a waste of time"[4]. Just fucking lovely. IHateAccounts (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look into this. If you get involved in controversial articles, a little bit of push back is expected but I'll see if this veers into personal attack. Liz Read! Talk! 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looking over the diffs, the most egregious words were posted by Johnsmith2116 and they have since been indefinitely blocked for that personal attack. Please report anything that bad. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article deletions

Can you please not alert me of any form of prod or deletion again. Thankyou.† Encyclopædius 16:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's no problem. Liz Read! Talk! 17:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2

Hi. You recently deleted Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2 due to the bad name. Was it a duplicate of Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity? It seems to have been created by a different user, but I don't know if it was a copy-paste of the older page. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Paul_012,
Looking at the deleted page, at first, this page just mentioned that this show was a spin-off of MasterChef Thailand. It was a one sentence stub. Then, it was turned into a redirect to Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity. Then it was tagged for deletion. It was originally created by Prussia97. Liz Read! Talk! 18:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for the info. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

G13 Deletions

Hey, do you unilaterally delete articles that are G13 worthy or do you wait till an editor tags them before you delete them or do admins have leeway to delete articles that are G13 worthy without editors tagging them first? Because it seems as though some admins, e.g Fastily waits till it’s G13 tagged before they delete the article but it seems you just unilaterally delete them or am I missing something or could you be so kind as to explain your modus operandi? Celestina007 (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Celestina007,
I would wait until the drafts are tagged but there are hundreds of stale articles each day and the editors who tag them don't seem to tag very many. If you want to evaluate and tag 200+ stale drafts each day, I'll wait for them all to be tagged. But honestly, most editors patrolling G13 drafts end up tagging 10 or 20 drafts and then stop instead of doing the entire lot. So, go for it, I'll wait and you can look over 200+ drafts and I'll wait for you to tag them all.
I'm up-to-date right now but you should check throughout the day and evening for expiring drafts. There are also several locations where G13's are listed so you should check the Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions as well as SDZeroBot's G13 pages like User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon for last Thursday and User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible. And do this every day, including weekends. Because there are 200+ drafts expiring every single day that need to be taken care of. Good luck with the tagging! Liz Read! Talk! 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's no rule requiring an editor to have placed a speedy tag before a page can be speedy deleted. Personally, I prefer having another editor review and tag G13-eligible drafts before conducting my own review. If multiple editors have had an opportunity to review a given draft, then it's less likely we'll be deleting anything of value. That's just a theory though, YMMV. -FASTILY 00:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Celestina007, it's been six hours now and there are 58 drafts that are eligible for G13 status. Not only have you (or any other editor) not reviewed and tagged them but you haven't edited since you posted this on my talk page. This is why I don't wait for stale drafts to be tagged...we'd be waiting all day and you all would have 200+ drafts to go through whenever you decided to take on this task from all of the other editing tasks you want to spend time on. I'm going back to reviewing them. And I'd be happy if, when time allows, you help review and tag them to. Liz Read! Talk! 02:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, as long as there’s no policy mandating you to wait until a page is G13 tagged before you delete it then that’s okay. Celestina007 (talk) 10:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (December 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 19th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Open tasks

Pending requests Pending requests

Miscellaneous

As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, and happy holidays! --DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RE: A spasso nel tempo

Thank you very much for your gentle reply! That was the kind of explanation I was asking for. Have a nice day--Alienautic (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned you at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom

Hi, I certainly did! If you can do it, please, please do. @Tony1: always turns me down, but I'll send him an email. The Signpost - and Wikipedia in general - could really use this story. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of my talk

Dear Liz, I have seen that you have prompted my talk Bhupender Dhawan for speedy deletion. I actually want to understand more about the issue you saw on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Khanna_Sudershan. I also created a draft with minimal data, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhupender_Dhawan_(Dronacharya). Please let me know if this suffice to the policies of wikipedia. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanna Sudershan (talk • contribs) 15:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A "few" more U2 pages

Hi, I saw that you deleted my U2 nominations. I have a few more of those pages here, they don't have an associated user either. I think at least the pages with the extremely offensive titles should be deleted (certainly more than half). By the way, I made this list with this. And can accounts here really be deleted like that, because many of these users obviously used to exist, do you know that? (Oh, and, I don't really want to tag all of them for deletion by myself, because ... well, 1500 more or less useless edits I don't need now either.) --TheImaCow (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, TheImaCow,
I was wondering how on Earth you found these old accounts. They are puzzling to me because they are clearly not user accounts but editors and admins posted on their talk page as if they were existing accounts. And they aren't just accounts with bad names that have 0 edits, they are not active nor inactive accounts. They are just user talk pages with no associated account. Liz Read! Talk! 21:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to confer with another admin about what to do with all of these. Liz Read! Talk! 21:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Probably needs a manual review. Some of these were created by mistake and/or are vandalism, but redirects resulting from account renames should be kept imo. -FASTILY 05:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Fastily, there was a good discussion about these pages today at User talk:ST47. It's kind of a puzzle figuring out why there are so many, it turns out it's a lot of different factors, global blocks, old software from a decade ago, oversight actions & misplaced drafts on to User pages, to name a few. Liz Read! Talk! 05:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Edit

Hello! I noticed the removal of a name on the list Han-Bin! I have since found the article for the individual and added it to the page, so hopefully it has been fixed and can remain! Let me know if any more info is needed, thank you! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Jayb.rd98,
Can you provide a link to the article? Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, user:Liz
The article in question is Han-bin! The last name added (of a former contestent and current idol trainee) did not have an article to his name before, but I located it and added it to his section of the name page, as he is a notable figure! Let me know if you need anything more! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayb.rd98 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Liz, as I just said on User talk:Jayb.rd98, Hanbin Ngô (Ngô Ngọc Hưng) is a brand new article, newly translated from Vietnamese (which I do not speak), and I'm not convinced the person meets WP:N or any related criteria. I've asked for assistance on WT:WikiProject Vietnam. He does have an article, and it's not at WP:AFD, at least not yet. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 03:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Jayb.rd98
First, always sign your talk page posts. Second, I was looking for Hanbin Ngô as the article that refers to the person you wanted to add to the list. Finally, you were a participant in an edit war. You could have been blocked for this as you went WAY beyond 3 reverts. Also, the editors who were reverting your edits were not doing vandalism although they were edit warring, too. Vandalism refers to malicious editing, intended to inflict damage on the project. This was a content dispute, a disagreement. These happen all of the time. What you should have done was stop edit warring and get other editors involved to help resolve the dispute or move to dispute resolution.
Thanks for finding the article so that the name could be added to the page. I think you were able to make your point. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation, davidwr. Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Liz
Apologies for not signing, I’m still getting the hang of wikipedia. I was told by my advisor for my class project that removal of encylopedia infromation qualified as vandalism- and the accounts that had edit warred were subsequently banned as sockpuppets of another account (Who repeatedly ignored my requests on their talk page and the article talk page to reach a consensus). I’ll avoid such actions in the future, I appreiate the warning and leniancy. Under advice of user:davidwr Ill begin bulking up the new article for Hanbin.
I worry for the page, however. Fandom politics are unfortunately involved, and the fans of another fandom (who also has an artist named hanbin) have been discussing off-site about intentionally removing Hanbin whenever possible, as theyre upset that there are now two idols in South Korea named Hanbin. I’m not sure what the correct order of operations is in this case, and would greatly appreciate any advice you may have for me.
Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply from Tom Klemesrud concerning Abuse by Administrator Muboshgu

@Liz @Muboshgu: Tom Klemesrud responds: Thank you Liz, I do apologize for calling User talk:Muboshgu#Brad Raffensperger a fool. I have learned he is much more imbedded in the Byzantine power structure of Wikipedia, to be called that. However, after researching "Muboshgu" I will say -- with his self-proclaimed 211,000 contributions. (Personal attack removed) Take for example of blocking Iowa US Senate Candidate Theresa Greenfield by locking in a redirect so a page could not be created based on non-notoriety; then, creating a page for another Iowan from Senator Chuck Grassley's small town, Kim Olson, a failed 2018 candidate for Texas Secretary of Agriculture. I note this reliable source, if not elite, Wired Article-- https://www.wired.com/story/the-senate-race-that-could-be-pivotal-for-america-and-wikipedia/ that concentrates on the abuses of Muboshgu to Mr. Wales creation. There should be sanctions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomklem (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is identical to a comment on Tom's page. Look there. -- Valjean (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tomklem, this is a personal attack that can warrant a block. You shouldn't be making accusations without evidence of your claim. Liz Read! Talk! 04:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute resolution?

Sorry to bother you again, but the page has continued to be edited, and the editor (who have been sockpuppets or a brand new account) have repeatedly ignored my attempts to reach out to reach a consensus. What should I do, when they clearly are uninterested in going through the process wikipedia has? I don’t want to give up and just allow info to be removed from the page because of a fanwar on twitter, but I don’t know what I could possibly do about it. I’m asking you because you had mentioned dispute resolution in our previous convo. Thank you very much. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Jayb.rd98
Sorry for delay in responding to you. Davidwr is a very experienced editor and I think you should consider his suggestion that Hanbin Ngô be listed at Hanbin rather than Han-bin. Accuracy is important but 7 different editors have contested your addition of this name to the Han-bin list. We can't do a full protection on an article indefinitely and so it is likely that any time you add the name, an editor could come by later and remove it. We can't prevent this from happening and you don't want to get involved in another edit war. If this is less likely to happen at the Hanbin list, I'd include the name there instead. I've added a link to Hanbin on the Han-bin page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"Read! Talk! 22:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
user:liz
The delay is no issue! Upon discussion with them, their edit was made due to a confusion in the way Korean names are romanized (Which I brought up in the correct area!) Since there is no difference between Hanbin, Han-Bin, Hanbeen, and Han-been. It all depends on what romanization system is used, but the names in the source language are all completely identical (한빈), and its mentioned in the page han-bin that Hanbin is an alternative romanization!
If you look, 3 of the people involved in editing the page were sockpuppets of a 4th editor on that page (And the sockpuppets have since been banned).
In regards to the Hanbin page, Davidwr is helping me direct the proper question line to the proper area for what would be included on that page, as he isnt sure if names should be included.
Thank you for the constant help! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Ho Ho

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20}} to your friends' talk pages.

Thank you, WereSpielChequers. Happy holidays to you! Liz Read! Talk! 22:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Category Talk pages

Hi, just a quick note that I'm a very experienced (now occasional) editor. I'm the guy who made Categories for Discussion and Templates for Discussion, developed the backend code, and the original parser function templates. And wrote a great deal of the instructions for closing at the time.

No, I didn't hand move a Category page. I merged or moved and redirected those specific Category Talk pages as part of the close. This was a complicated close, and needed to be done by hand. Then, somebody else ran a bot, and accidentally wiped out my work.

So thanks for helping fix part of the bot wipe. Sadly, it will take far more effort to restore than it took to do the work in the first place.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, William Allen Simpson,
Well, when I looked at the category talk pages, there were edits that indicated the pages had been moved. But my apologies if I misinterpreted the information. Liz Read! Talk! 23:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably another administrator undoing some of his "fat-finger-syndrome" mistakes. Thanks for the help.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas Liz

Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and healthy New Year,
Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia,
   –Davey2010Talk 19:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Davey2010! Happy holidays to you and yours. Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Ho Ho

Donner60 (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20}} to your friends' talk pages.

Happy Festivus, Donner60! Enjoy the holiday season! Liz Read! Talk! 15:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

File:Christmas tree in field.jpg Merry Christmas Liz

Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness.
Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Happy holidays to you and yours, onel5969!

happy holidays

Hello User:Liz Can you review it, please https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kareem_fahim/sandbox Thanks a lot Stay Safe --Kareem fahim (talk) 09:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!

~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~
Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!
God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!
Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce!
Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством!
শুভ বড়দিন! ~ 圣诞节快乐！~ メリークリスマス！~ 메리 크리스마스!
สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส! ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành!

Hello, Liz! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}}


Article deletions

Hello Liz. Please tell me why did you delete Tohid Hajibabaei's page? (Tohid Hajibabaei). It was a biography of a famous person and had credible sources. It's very important and I want that article restored,plz.

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