User talk:E4024

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Your recent edit at User talk:Athenean

Hello E4024. Please be aware that your undoing of an edit by Athenean on his own talk page was incorrectly described by you as a vandalism revert. Users are free to remove messages on their own talk per WP:REMOVED. I have no idea what disagreement you may be having with Athenean, but if you are planning to escalate this, it is not wise to begin with an incorrect charge of vandalism. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am sorry. I was not aware of that. I thought one could not erase other's Talk wherever it was. Sorry to disturb you and thanks for the information. I will not repeat the same consciously. All the best and sorry again. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW EdJohnston, do you happen to have another user name? Regards. --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You mean something like a WP:SOCK? Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 15:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

You were warned. You continued. You have been reported [1]. Athenean (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You are currently blocked for 14 days due to your persistent edit-warring, incivility, and disruption. You seem convinced Wikipedia is a battleground. It is not. Please take the time off to reflect on this and come back with a new attitude based on compromise, collegiality, and consensus. Moreschi (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

If this means I will not see the accuser and his copains for two weeks I am very grateful to you for this block...--E4024 (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I meant companions. May I be left alone now, please... --E4024 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I did not even know if such a use existed until you claimed that. The only thing I am sure is you are one of the copains (friends of the accuser) I was happy to leave behind. So now with your permission I will erase your talk again and request you not to return here. --E4024 (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Turks in Anatolia / Sandbox

The Turks came to Anatolia (where they still live) much before 10th Century. The first Turkish peoples (or tribes) to form part of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine if you wish) Empire and to fight in its armies mostly turned to Christianity and after the Islamisation of the bulk of the Turkish immigration into Anatolia, either disappeared within the Christian society (some of them) or were converted to Islam (most of them) and their previous existence in Rome (Anatolia) mostly forgotten.

One reason the Turks won the Manzikert War easily is the fact that many Turkish tribes, who were within the Byzantine army ranks, changed sides when they realized that the "enemy" they were fighting against was their own kins. (Some of those Christian Turks survive in the Balkans, especially Moldovia, and elsewhere under the name of Gagauz).

I wish to attract attention to the article Bardanis o Toupkos or "Bardanes the Turk", about an Armenian general of the Byzantine army who served between 895-903 for the Empire. In other words, even by then (as early as the end of IXth Century) the so-called Armenian plateau (today part of Eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey) was known as a place associated with the Turkish people, who dwelt in that area, and had such a strong presence to surpass the Armenians who claim to be contemporaries of Noah at times...

I hope this information may be useful to develop the contents of the Turkish people article. --E4024 (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Kurabie

E4024, in Greek, kurabiye is spelled κουραμπιές, that is, kourampies (not kouramphies) and pronounced /kura'bjes/. The digraph μπ (mp) is the standard way to render the 'b' sound, as the letter β is pronounced 'v'. The plural is κουραμπιέδες kourampiedhes, pronounced /kura'bjeðes/. Why do you ask?

Yes, there are many people on Wikipedia who seem to be pushing their own national/ethnic group. I suspect that this is partly out of an excess of pride (chauvinism), and partly simply that they are familiar with one side of the story, but not others. Unfortunately, the educational systems of many countries do not present a very balanced or complete view of history. --Macrakis (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No special reason to ask kurabiye, I simply saw it somewhere (for the first time) and thought you could know. As regards the educational system, I agree with you. I worked -many years ago- on an official project of reviewing school books (and eliminating hostile talk) mutually with some neigbouring countries of Turkey. Specifically two were not very welcoming; one returned us the books we sent them because there were pictures of females in "unislamic" dress and another (Greece) did not respond favourably to the idea, for reasons they never specified. Armenia was not independent then and we did not contact the "Republic of Cyprus".

I wrote to you because I know I can learn a lot about my own country, Turkey, from some Greeks. You look like a person with whom I could talk...

All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

E4024, thanks for your note. I seem to remember there was a joint Greek-Turkish study of the presentation of history in schoolbooks some years ago. I was sure I'd find it in the bibliography of Yannis Hamilakis's "'Learn History!': Antiquity, National Narrative, and History in Greek Educational Textbooks", in The Usable Past: Greek Metahistories, but that article focuses more on ancient history than medieval/modern. Clio in the Balkans looks like an interesting collection, too.

I look forward to working with you collaboratively on Wikipedia. --Macrakis (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam

Gecmis olsun. Her iste bir hayir vardir. Ister misin simdi de "Ingilizce Vikide Türkce konusmaktan" engellenelim... Sevgiler. --E4024 (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Teşekkürler. Normalde olsa güler geçerdim ama..:) Bir mail atmıştım, seninkine cevaben, aldın mı acaba? Bir de bizim konu burada tartışılmaktadır, ister Türkçe ister İngilizce fikir belirtebilirsin, istersen. İyi günler.--Rapsar (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Aldim, aldim. --E4024 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Custom wikilove

	Nice work
	Test to see if this works SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that most of what you've received from admins is warnings and blocks. Not an environment conclusive to what we want to accomplish. As you guessed, my post was dual purpose - I saw your post to Dougweller, and thought it shouldn't be hard to do that, so part of the purpose was to show you how to do it. If it still isn't clear, go to Doug's page, click on the heart next to View History, then on "make your own, use Turkish dolma.JPG (or some other option in Category:Dolma), and fill in the rest.

However, I did take a glance at your contributions, to ensure that my message "Nice work" would be accurate, so it is partly aimed at you.

I did have some dolma when I was in Turkey, (although I confess I tried yogurt soup and it wasn't my favorite). I haven't seen much of your country outside of Istanbul, but I was humbled by the incredible history of that city. I live in a place where we get excited about things a couple hundred years old, and in Istanbul I visited the mosque built in 1597 which you call the New Mosque.SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Next time try a Tripe Soup then... :-) --E4024 (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dolma and sarma

Understood. I've tried to reword the material about sarma and dolma -- take a look and see what you think. --Macrakis (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw it, thank you. That was not the most important issue in WP but it is kind of you to consider my view. That is enough for me... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hurried a bit. (I was talking about smt previous.) "Yaprak sarma" is not used for cabbage leaves, that one is "Lahana (a Greek-origin word) sarma". "Yaprak (leaf) is used only for vine leaves. The other leaves are always specified. Never mind though... --E4024 (talk) 21:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Dessert (pospasto) de cara tostada

Çok teşekkür ederim! I accept gladly this sütlaç, which moreover is the favorite dessert of my wife. :-) Personally I prefer the Baklavas from Güllüoğlu, still better if kaymaklı :-) BTW, I don't know for sure whether they originate from Greece or Turkey, but for sure I know that the Turkish ones are the best in the world! Sevgiler, Alex2006 (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Why didn't you tell me you understand Turkish? (I think your wife is Turkish, right? Tell her we have the same favourite in desserts and add my regards. Trying to write something in Italian I began in English, continued in Portugese and ended in Spanish! :-) --E4024 (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Ben türk anlıyorum, aba çok zor (but, as I see, Italian is not that easy too :-)) Benim eşim istanbullu. I will tell her about your preference, she will be happy since we always fight about dessert (we reach actually a compromise ordering Künefe :-)). Actually, as I know Turks, most of them prefer Suvlaç to Baklava (but maybe only because they are on diet :-) ). Alex2006 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

No comment on the diet issue. Now I understand why your wife beats you... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Some Clarifications on Baklava

In Turkey, Baklava is made generally with the following fillings: Ceviz (Walnut), Antepfistigi (Pistacho) or "Kaymak". In the Black Sea region Hazelnut is also widely used instead of the above mentioned other filling nuts. Baklava can be eaten simple, just as it comes but the tradition is eating them either with Ice-cream (Dondurma) or Kaymak on top. The choice is generally not between the two toppings but depends on the time of the year: Summer is for Ice-cream and Winter for Kaymak. (Spring and Fall depends on the temperature. :-) The same topping choices are valid when eating Kadayif, although many prefer to top it with only chopped walnuts.

Now we come to the specialised part: The "Kaymak" we put on top of a serving of, say, Walnut Baklava(s) is not the same "Kaymak" which is the filling material of one type or sort of Baklava(s). This last "Kaymak" is a filling paste based on a vanilla, milk and other whatsoever mixture.

As regards the "Kaymak" on top, which is a milk cream variety, the Turkish KAYMAK (especially made from water buffalo milk) is a "delicacy" all by itself. Has nothing to do with the pic at the Kaymak article in WP. --E4024 (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I did not know about Kaymak as filling. In Karaköy they have also Baklava with chocolate, but I always refused to eat them, I think is an abomination. :-) About Kaymak, agree 100%. When I am in Istanbul, I often go to a small shop in Kumkapı, more than 100 years old, that delivers Kaymak to the best restaurants in Istanbul, and have there Bal Kaymak... Paradise :-) Alex2006 (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

In Istanbul there are a few Kaymak paradises, one of them is between Beşiktaş and Ortaköy. The real Kaymak paradise is Afyon(karahisar) though. You should visit the İkbal Restaurant (not the huge road-side Panayır/funfair of fast food with the same name, the traditional restaurant in the town center) and after enjoying some authentic Turkish food (in this restaurant they only serve veal, no mutton, and they also beat people who dare use the word "kebap" :-) please give yourself a treat of Kaymaklı Ekmek Kadayıfı. If you still not have cholesterol, diabetes and/or weight problems you will repeat the huge portion and will forget the dessert that you now like. (What was it called, Baklava, Baklawa, Pakhlava? :-)

As regards avantgarde Turkish dessert options, IMO, Chocolate Baklava is not a less futuristic fantasy than the "Hamsili Baklava" that they invented in the Black Sea region. Although I am more compromising on "Vişneli Ekmek Kadayıfı" (How to translate this for God's sake? :-) introduced by İkbal -the franchise option- but also served by the conventional restaurant in Afyon. --E4024 (talk) 09:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicosia

There is still no consensus on the Nicosia status. There has not been a thorough discussion on the issue. Please see my comments on the talk page and discuss before making controversial changes. Masri145 (talk) 07:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I have asked for a discussion regarding the articles on the two municipalities of Nicosia, several days before that. I am still waiting for you and others to come to discuss that important issue, very relevant to the divided status of Cyprus and Nicosia. Greetings. --E4024 (talk) 09:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

About the reason for your revert on Turks of Western Thrace article

(Retaliation is not justified in International Law when human rights are concerned. Why do we need justifications for the negative actions of the Greek Government? POV edits reverted.
I am unclear why you reverted my recent edit on this article. Isn't it a fact the Greek Government only started referring to Thracian Turks as "Greek Muslims" after 1983 ? For what reasons do you think ? Whether you believe the Greek actions were illegal or not, it's the truth. Did u revert because you didn't like the truth ? Come over to Turks_of_Western_Thrace so we can discuss all of this and more. HelenOfOz (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Do not make controversial edits without discussing and the discussion make it on the article's talk page please, not here. I will see the discussion if I am interested in the topic. --E4024 (talk) 14:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Braga

I’m writing this on the coast near Braga. --MRothwell 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Enjoy it. Nice place. Eat a Caldo Verde for this scribe, please... --E4024 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

with Vinho Verde. BTW I don't understand why my previous comment appeared as "unsigned" - I placed 4 ~s after it. --MRothwell 23:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Cheers. Why don't you use the "signature thing", up, at the leftside when editing: Just after the Bold B, Italic I and something like a mini-screen, there it is, before the chain (link) sign. (Couldn't be better expressed by a non-native speaker... :-) --E4024 (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

And some grilled sardines. Actually I did just that for my second comment, and in the preview and straight after saving the edit, it was fine, but only for a while...--MRothwell 00:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs) s

It's the SineBot at work! Perhaps it hasn't yet got used to the signature change from Mrothwell to MRothwell.--MRothwell 00:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't be without sardines in Portugal! (What a coincidence, I ate sardines before pasta at lunch yesterday. :-) Sorry pal, I know more about soup, fish and wine than all those gadgets... --E4024 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Stub gotcha!

Wikipedia:Translation says:

If the English article does not yet exist, you can create the article on English Wikipedia as a stub article, explaining or defining the subject of the article in a sentence or two; then immediately tag your stub article with a translation template.

but Wikipedia:Stub says:

no article should contain both a stub template and an expand template

But isn't a translation template a kind of expand template? That leaves me a bit confused :( --MRothwell 17:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Let me recommend you some experienced users who are always willing to help with those things: Richwales, Dougweller, David1217, ItsZippy, Bobrayner, Benzband, Newyorkbrad, Ryan Vesey and many more... (Every time you need help go to one other, like me, so no one will feel you prefer the other. :-) --E4024 (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll bug one of these guys. --MRothwell 23:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

User:TremoloKid got the template, since he's a n00b, and since you're a regular, I'll just shoot a friendly "Hi, there! I noticed that you're getting close to WP:3RR, and being experienced (or being right) doesn't save us from getting blocked for edit-warring in an editing dispute. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 10:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

If you have access to sysop facilities could you see if the last IP that reverted again belongs to the same kid? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You know, I don't have checkuser rights, but that is so obviously the same user that I went ahead and blocked him for WP:3RR. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selamlar

Son değişikliklerde ismini gördüm de şansa, selam vereyim dedim :) Türkçe Vikide devam etmiyor musun?--Rapsar (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Günlerdir IP çakıșmasını çözecekler diye bekliyorum. Belki de senin dönüsüne ancak yetisir... :-) --E4024 (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Çözülmüştü sanki? Diğer kullanıcıyla iletişime geçtin mi? Onun engeli kalkmıştı.--Rapsar (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

RE:Mamma mia

Hallo E4024
thanks for your mail! I know the situation in Georgia: threats (and invasion, as in Ossetia), are just part of russian politics, and a (rough) way to gain influence. :-) someone told that war is the continuation of Politics with other instruments.
About the new gas pipeline, I read an article just yesterday on the NZZ. But this does not mean much. Italy built a giant pipeline wit Algeria 20 years ago, but this did not bring Algeria under the Italian sphere of influence. What I am meaning, one thing is doing business, another thing is exercising power (as does for example France in central Africa), or the USA in Afghanistan. BTW, yesterday I also read that the probable new president of Georgia will be a billionaire emigrated in Russia. :-) About Turkey, I got a lot of info about Turkey from this journal, which is very well done, and is the italian twin of Foreign Affairs. They issued a special number about Turkey ("The Sultan's comeback) end of 2010, but there are often articles about it.

About your visit to Italy, if you need some hints please ask me! I don't want that my fellow Italians poison you...Anyway, remember that we cook pasta al dente. :-) Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

In my home too; and not only pasta... --E4024 (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I will confess you something: since I go to Turkey, I never had fish in Italy :-) I eat all the rest, but Balık only in Turkey, better if cooked directly by our Balıkci, on wood coal (I hate boiled fish). Alex2006 (talk) 11:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. If you want to know where to eat Zampone, :-) you must activate "Email this user" under Toolbox. Alex2006 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I doubt I would ever eat that but I made the e-mail preference change... --E4024 (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

Please do not attack other editors, as you did to User talk:ItsZippy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Theopolisme _{:) 11:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)}

Sorry? What "attack" are you referring to? --E4024 (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

"You cannot discuss with that kind of people. If you believe you can speak to supporters of terrorism you do that please." - from this thread, Theopolisme _{:) 11:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)}

I recommend you to visit the page of the user who put a photo of a so-called monument to a terrorist organization and tell that user this is not a correct attitude. After doing this basic thing come back and educate me then. --E4024 (talk) 11:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Kurdish-Turkish Conflict to Turkish-PKK Conflict

E4025, this move request really should be listed at WP:RM. Additionally if you want to call attention to bad behavior, and what admin intervention, then that request needs to handled at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Go to that page and follow the instructions. A lot of administrators monitor the page and you will get a prompt response. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Re listing at RM, it is actually pretty simple. You would just follow the instructions at WP:RM and place this wording on the article talk page leaving out the NoWiki and adding your rational. At bot will come along and do the rest. Good Luck --Mike Cline (talk) 17:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== Requested move == {{subst:requested move|NewName}} Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate.~~~~

RegentsPark did it. Sorry, I am trying to avoid making mistakes in highly visible areas... --E4024 (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Salsa on chimney

It was not used there as a saying. It was used as a metaphor. Salsa is a kind of ketchup that you get here, in my part of the world. MrsCaptcha (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I know that salsa is a kind of sauce (watch a lot of American TV series :-) and means "sauce" in Spanish. I was surprised by the chimney reference only. I thought only Santa entered through chimneys... Take care. --E4024 (talk) 18:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Warned him. Should the article say something about Assyria? Dougweller (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I thank you. I think looking that back to find the traces of a modern era dessert is a bit exaggerated and I doubt any reliable source can claim such a thing. (Personally I suspect the user's way of presenting things looks more like "I am supporting any theory that makes no reference to Turks", though...) I suppose if there are reliable sources backing the theory why not accept it, but certainly without getting confused that the first person who invented a wheel could be considered the inventor of the automobile. The user should prove his/her claims and convince the other editors at the discussion page of the article. I like baklava but do not believe the article is mine. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:17, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

TBMM + other issues

Hello, as a response to your earlier address, the Republic of Turkey wasn't formed until 1923, (29 October to be exact). Therefore the governmental body commanding nationalist forces in the war was the Turkish Grand National Assembly (Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi). There was no such country as the Republic of Turkey until 1923, therefore it wouldn't be wise to place a country that doesn't exist in the belligerents. The Kuva-yi Milliye was a guerrilla organization that attacked invading forces throughout the war. The Kuva-yi Milliye operated on it's own from 1919-20 and under the command of TBMM from 1920-23. (Remember the war wasn't over until the treaty was signed in 1923). The regular army did the heavy lifting while Kuva-yi Milliye supported them by destroying supply lines or harassing the enemy etc... As for Thrace I don't know what you're talking about for I didn't edit something like that. If I did, please show me. Regards (Central Data Bank (talk))

CDB, I did not say Rep of Turkey, I said (and indeed edited) Turkey. This looks absurd to me, BTW, look how many articles will you find refering "Turkey" in the same period. It is not a question of States but Governments. (Ankara Hük.) This is why I said "then write the TBMM Hükümeti article". (You see TBMM and TBMM Hükümeti are not the same thing, just like Rep of T and T. T has a use of one millennium.) Trakya referansi ise genel bir referansti: As you are editing the article and do not touch there that means you accept it, or not? Benim kafam biraz na to kafa na to mermeraki gibi düz(gün) calisir... Cordial selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

My apologies I was reading the wrong article. If the Bombardment of Samsun is what we are talking about then to write "Turkey" as an entity is weird. TBMM wasn't involved at Samsun, it was the Kuva-yi Milliye. Therefore it should be Kuva-yi Milliye. A reader may ask, what is "Turkey" if not the republic then what is it? To be more informative Kuva-yi Milliye should be written. Selamlarimla.. (Central Data Bank (talk))

No need to apologies here. The real issue is; Samsun and elsewhere was, as is now, Turkey. Size Türkce belirtecegim: Sadece Hükümetlerin taninmasi ile Devletlerin taninmasi (Devletler Hukuku acisindan) degil anlatmaya calistigim. Mantiken ortada bir ülke var ve milli kuvvetleriyle, ordusu ile, sivilleriyle savasiyor. Bunu anlamak zor bir sey degil, sadece bakis acinizi degistirmeniz gerekiyor. Siz ABD yazinca Washington'dan birileri mi bombalamis oluyor Samsun'u? Bakin o dönemde TBMM Hükümetinin baska ülkelerle (Afganistan, Rusya, Kafkas Cumhuriyetleri, Fransa) imzaladigi anlasmalar var; hepsi "Türkiye'nin anlasmalari" olarak gecer literatürde. Moskova Antlasmasini Kuvay-i Milliye mi yapti? Cok rica ediyorum, yanlista israr etmeyin. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Bakin, burada "Government of Turkey" yaziyor. Lütfen makule karsi israrci olmayin. --E4024 (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Siz beni yanlis anladiniz. Wikipedia'daki savaslar illa bir ulke yazilacak diye bir sey yoktur. TBMM veya "Turkiye'nin" duzenli ordusu Samsunda degildi. Orda Kuva-yi Milliye vardi. Insan merak ediyorsa eger ozaman Kuva-yi milliyeye tiklayip hangi ulke veya millet icin savastigini gorur. Burda biz savasan organizasyonlardan bahsediyoruz. Ulke, hukumet veya kucuk bir cete bile olabilir. I would prefer if we wrote in English because Turkish is my second language and I don't understand it as well. Selamlar. (Central Data Bank (talk))

Il Cavaliere risponde

Of course! Otherwise I would lose soon my "enişte" honorific title! :-) Alex2006 (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Well deserved! :-) (I refrained from the "Il" though, not to enter politics... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I think that time has come to block the article for anonymous IPs, because the guy from Brooklyn apparently has not enough yet! Alex2006 (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeni Madde

Yoksa kategori mi? Bence "madde" olabilecek malzeme var. Öncelikle Karadeniz Ek. İşb. Teşk. (BCEC)i alıyorsun. Sonra Turkic Council. Bir de D-8 ekledin mi yeme de yanında yat. Sonra OIC maddesine bakıyorsun. Orada merkezi bizde olan 3 uluslararası kuruluş var. 2si Subsidiary Organisations biri de Affiliated Institutions bölümünde. Böylece, Türksoy ile birlikte tam 7 örgüt oldu. (Biraz ararsak daha da buluruz belki. Ayrıca ileride "eskiden merkezi bizde olanlar" bilgisini ekleriz, Cento gibi...) Şimdilik yeterli malzeme bunlar. Sen hepsini biraraya getirip (wikilinkleri filan ile) bir taslak madde yapıverirsen ben de tepesine giriş cümlelerini yazarım; hızla ortaya çıkar. Birkaç günde ilk ortak maddemizi sürmüş oluruz piyasaya... :-) Selam-sevgi. --E4024 (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Kabaca şöyle bir şey yapmaya çalıştım İstanbul için. Başka ne sütunu eklenebilir bilemedim, sana bırakıyorum. Notlar kısmına ise genel sekreterlik mi İstanbul'da, başka bir şeyi mi İstanbul'da gibisinden notlar eklenebilir.--Rapsar (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Eline saglik, cok güzel. Sana yaziyorum diye kum kutunda oynamisim. Belki internet sitelerini filan da eklesek iyi bir baslangic olur. Sonra herkes birseyler ekler... --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Son hali budur. Uygun görüyorsan "List of international organizations based in İstanbul" ismiyle açabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Harika olmus; ama sen acmalisin. Söz, ilk editi ben yaparim; alaturkada oldugu gibi... :-) --E4024 (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Türkiye bana pek mantıklı gelmedi, ondan İstanbul yaptım. ABD için, İsviçre için yapılsa mesela aşırı uzun olacağından şehirlere ayrılması istenecektir muhtemelen. Bunlara paralel olarak da İstanbul olması yerinde olacaktır. Ama dersen ki Türkiye yapalım, o ikisini de ekleriz, sıkıntı olmaz benim için :)--Rapsar (talk) 08:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

• Madde açıldı, bir-iki yeni kategori de oluşturdum konuyla ilgili olarak. Çalışma var şablonunu bıraktım, ekleme ve düzenleme yapabilirsin. Hayırlı olsun.--Rapsar (talk) 10:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --E4024 (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hellim

Hi! This is seksen not bothering to log in. Looking at the history of that page you've mentioned, I can see nothing lost. No, I don't currently check my talk page. I actually found myself here while I was looking at the AEL Limassol page after they were drawn in the same group as Fenerbahçe (though I'm not a Fenerbahçe fan). But still, should you need anything from Cyprus, you can write it at my talk page, as presumably at some indefinite point in the future, I'll be looking at that page again - but I don't advise urgent requests :) Just to clarify, with "anything from Cyprus", I do not mean, "oh, seksen, could you please send some halloumi from Cyprus?", but stuff like photos, data, brief information, links, etc. --82.145.251.161 (talk) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. Recently a friend brought me so much that I almost got bored of eating it (fried, at breakfast) but until you send me some I will again have appetite for Hellim. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

2012-09 Gates

"You have a nice user name" (E4024) Thank you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

"the last subtraction you did was not nice" (E4024) Why? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

My edit summary was clear enough, however I won't edit fight with you. Good-bye. --E4024 (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

List of suicides

Hi, E4024. A belated Welcome to Wikipedia! If you want to add material to articles, it's a good idea to use the preview function, or check your edits to make sure that citation errors like this do not occur. If they do, and you don't know how to fix them, just ask another editor like myself for help. For now, don't worry; another editor indeed fixed your citation. If it helps, you can find a list of citation templates at WP:citation templates. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

If you say so... --E4024 (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

5 reverts in Occupation of Smyrna

You have 5 reverts in this article in less than 12h, which isn't cool no matter the reason. Although I'm not used to report people, I'm sorry but this turns to become very clear that discussion is fruitless. Please read wp:what wikipedia is not. See [[2]]Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I am cool enough. My last edit was correcting your spelling mistake in the "cradle of Greek civilization" phrase. I am not "hostile" against anyone and believe knowledge is for sharing. This is why I am trying to teach you a simple thing about how international treaties are "made". If you have questions regarding this legal procedure do not hesitate to ask me. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool gentleman with a sense of humour

I really am a cool person. Above above (2 stages) a user tells me I have made a wrong citation and I simply reply to him (or her) "if you say so" although I had nothing to do with the said citation. (Indeed I only added nationality to the name of a folk singer there.) Why discuss on these details? I am a cool guy... :-) --E4024 (talk) 21:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

3RR violation at Occupation of Smyrna

Please see WP:AN3#User:E4024 reported by User:Alexikoua (Result: ). If you don't agree to stop reverting, it is likely that you will be blocked. If you want the drafted-but-not-ratified 'Treaty of Sèvres' to be correctly described in the article, you will need to negotiate and not just revert. Since you have good intentions it would be regrettable if admins decide they need to block you to stop the war. Your existing response at the noticeboard is not enough to avoid a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have tried to appeal the user's commonsense on that, even tried to lecture him but to no avail. S/He seems even not to understand that when I refer to "Turkey" I refer to the same and only country, the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire or the Turkish Republic. On the other hand, the said user does insist on not understanding that it is not only that the said "Treaty" was born dead but also it was "signed" more than one year after the discussed occupation. I am really in difficulty to reach at his comprehension. I would kindly request you, as I imagine you may be an administrator but also a user like any else who only wishes to improve the contents of WP, why don't you help the said user to see the facts, or simply edit yourself, as I see you understand my point(s) and that help could not only settle the dispute between two users but also possibly contribute to bettering the said article. All the best and thank you. --E4024 (talk) 08:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

reply

I removed it because the article is about an assassination, not a terrorist attack. George Spurlin (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't remember where I said that you can use that there, but if I did, I was wrong and I'm sorry. Your problem is that you want to tag everything as terrorist, when in fact there are other words in the English language and other categories that can be applied to the articles. Here is a perfectly good Category:Assassinated Turkish diplomats that fits perfectly well in that article. George Spurlin (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Replied in your talk page. I request you not to divide the conversation, keep it in one place so people may follow more easily the flow of the logic. I also kindly inform you that I requested an admin to take a look at your recent edits. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Occupation of Smyrna

The next time you insult my intelligence as you did here with your derogatory language i will report you directly.This is the second time you have done it, i will not tolerate a third. 23x2 _φ 18:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Occupation of Smyrna. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting really. Only 5 minutes after I asked an admin to help me file a case of dispute resolution-arbitration on the same article, whose discussion page is full of my detailed arguments, I am being sanctioned. I am also being recommended to ask protection of the page, although I had done that and been rejected. On the other hand, many admins who would simply count the reverts could see that the party that accused me might have done more reverts than myself on the same article; moreover, without convincing arguments. I will not appeal the block but hope other admins and users come to my help and share their opinions on this. (I mean the article, not the block itself.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Correction: It was 6 minutes exactly, not five; I checked it again... --E4024 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Werldwayd

Thanks for your reminder and interest. Actually I wanted to keep "werldwayd" intact as that is my user name in "traditional spelling" (TS). But of course you are right. Since I used "wərldwαyd" in the title, I should use it in the phonetic version as well. Now I've changed it to wərldwαyd as well. You also must have noticed by now that for the sound @ as in "at", "flat", "cat" etc I use another form of "a" which is "ɑ" as different from "α" for the alpha like in "far", "car" etc... I don't like the "a" we have as practically nobody writes it as such in written form anyway. It is just a printed letter that we almost never write that way in handwriting... Some more improvements. Just drop the ph in favour of f as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı etc ... use the z when its pronounced z like in kıdz, armz, legz, but leave the s when it is pronounced as such, like in kɑts, deyts, pαrts as for y it is always a consonant and never a vowel. When a vowel, use ı as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı So when we want to write fly or cry, I write it as flαy krαy (thus avoiding the vowel y and avoiding the confusion of how it should be spelt in words) and by the way just drop the x and use ks instead. For example instead of text, sex and mix, use the phonetic tekst, seks, mıks LOL werldwayd (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Let me warn you that you are about to begin learning Turkish, a language that is very lucky to have a (or "one") letter for every sound and only one sound for each letter, although the language itself is not considered an easy one to learn, BTW. When I see your personal alphabet of English I remember Turkish children writing the same way in their notebooks the pronunciation of the foreign language, in their own (Turkish) alphabet... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

It is a good way to learn pronunciation... But there are very phonetic languages in their general design, like Tagalog and Swahili... BTW, I am Armenian and my parents originate from Turkey from a region we call Cilicia. I read and speak Turkish quite well actually. werldwayd (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Ne güzel! Öyleyse bundan böyle Türkçe sürdürelim yazışmayı. Selamlar...--E4024 (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Aferim arkadaş Actually my parents come from Kahramanmaraş... But I'd rather continue in English LOL werldwayd (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually the reforms in Turkish were through an Armenian linguist called Agop Dilaçar (Agop Martayan) that headed the Turkish Language Association. I like the Turkish use of ç which I use for ch / tch in English like children written as çıldrən, but then the inverted "ə" was introduced recently to Azeri language. But in the same way I like the z with cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television which can be written with a z with the cedilla in similar fashion to ş and ç werldwayd (talk) 13:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

We do have the zh sound in Turkish, although always in words with a foreign origin like jandarma, Jale (proper name, fem.), jilet, jöle etc; it is represented with the letter j. On the other hand of course I know Turkish linguists of Armenian origin like Dilaçar, Tuğlacı, Nișanyan and others. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course it is distinct as you have the c for the dj sound, so j can be used for the Turkish zh sound. But in English this wouln't be possible as j has a different sound value anyhow, thus the need for z cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television or genre for example. werldwayd (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Occupation of Smyrna

Selamlar. Attığın mail'deki resmi sen mi çekmiştin? Öyleyse senin yüklemen daha uygun olacaktır. Commons'a yüklersen Türkçe Vikipedi'de de kullanılır :)--Rapsar (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Copyright konusunu iyi bilemedigim icin yardim istemistim. Neyse bosver, zaten o madde bastan yazilacak gibi görünüyor. Resmi daha sonra da ekleyebiliriz. Tesekkürler. --E4024 (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

..it is preferred that you use English on English Wikipedia talk pages... demiş -ki ben de tercih etmiyorum :) Resme dönersek, burada olduğu gibi bir lisanslama/açıklama yapabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Ben anlamaz. (Ay dont nowz... :-) --E4024 (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Speak English

For this and for the section above, please see WP:SPEAKENGLISH. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Admin Bbb23, thanks, I read it. The talk was about a help request concerning uploading a photo to the article in question, no big deal really. (As you may have noticed since you blocked two users for an edit war there has not been much activity on that article, instead quite some activity on its discussion page. I am happy about that; I paid the price but at the end some people came to discuss how to make better a badly-written article.) Returning to the "real" issue here, I noticed that you forgot to write to the user who initiated the talk in another language, so I took the liberty to remind them myself. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Keeping it cool

Hey dude, I'm a Muslim too. And I know we get maligned all the time by idiots. But its important to keep everything 100% cool when we do. So its best to avoid comments like these. Because well-meaning people could get offended. If someone's being racist, call out their racism, but don't attack them back.VR _talk 14:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool as a pool. OK. Bye. --E4024 (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Your recent talkpage edit

I don't understand your last edit at the no personal attacks talkpage. Was it a joke or an attempt to make a point? Chrisrus (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course it was a joke. (I saw you are working very much and wanted to give you a smile... :-) BTW thank you for your efforts to improve WP. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Do you mind if I undo it? It doesn't seem to be helping. I'm trying to get something going. Actually, please, if you would, please give an example of something that might make one defensive but isn't a personal attack in the place of it if you would. Chrisrus (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Please, be my guest. Indeed I was intending to write in that blank "It's all Greek to you" which would fit exactly to the need that you describe above; however I am not very sure if everyone's sense of humour is as good as mine, so I chose not to... --E4024 (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. Chrisrus (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Handshake

		The Friendship Barnstar
		Nice to meet you.```Buster Seven Talk 15:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Help request

Could you please open a "references" section at the article Rodger Davies and add this news report there, as a citation tag has been added there and I do not know much about these things nor wish to spend the evening on something that is certainly very easy for you or other experienced users... Thank you and selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 11:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Did you mean this?--Rapsar (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Man, I already did it all by myself, but if you did anything to improve my copy-paste, thank you very much. Aslansın! --E4024 (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Thank you for your note. I made no test edits in no article. I only corrected Turkish bias. When i see Turkish PoV i correct it. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.40.79 (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Which Turkish POV? That article is full of anti-Turkish propaganda, let alone nationalist POVs. Read it carefully, with an open mind, and you will see it easily. You removed a part about a very important issue in the article, Greek Cypriot killing of an innocent foreign ambbassador and his colleagues; apparently in relation to the Turkish "invasion". Other than being very important -and may help you understand the mood in Washington D.C. despite the presence of a strong Greek lobby there- this was very well sourced (indeed I remember the event, no idea how old you are and what kind of an education you received) but you possibly think you can whitewash history by blanking WP articles. Do you believe the US State Department learns Cypriot history from WP? It is better -for you- to learn the history instead of trying to hide it. I learn here everyday one or another thing about my country, despite my age and academic background; and recommend you to try to learn something from the WP instead of destroying it. And never again use f words after dead people, be them American or from wherever. (If you are young enough accept it as an uncle's advice.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Name dispute

I wasn't much online today and had little time to spare but I clarified your request at my talkpage by now.TMCk (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Saw it. Hope others did so, too. Thanks again and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

You're quick in responding! I've also edited the name to my comment on the article's talkpage so there should be no misunderstanding about what I meant.TMCk (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
And best to you too.TMCk (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria RfC

Hi E4024. Nobody has yet responded to your question at Talk:Bulgaria#BRD and Clarification and RfC. Your most recent edit asserts that the residents speak either Bulgarian or Turkish. As you seem to acknowledge, this is too sweeping because it omits the Roma, Armenian, Greeks, Vlach etc. Isn't it possible that the article is better off without your edit? I think you are misreading the table at http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/european_languages.htm. It simply lists Turkish under the heading 'Other spoken language.' It doesn't say that all the other minorities speak Turkish. Presumably the table is not intending to list every spoken language, so nothing can be inferred from a language not being mentioned in that table. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish is the second language in that country and I think it should be reflected in the article. (For case similarities see discussions in Turkey article.) My edit has already been reverted like many other things editors are trying to retain about Turkish culture in the Balkans. It looks to me like some people are not happy enough with expelling the Turks from the region but are also trying to eliminate any reference to their presence in the WP articles. (Of course this is not for you.) I would appreciate if you discussed my opinion on the TP of the article; I feel like I have asked a taboo question as no-one comments, in a very discussion-loving topic area like the Balkans... I thank you in advance. --E4024 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

As an admin, I don't want to express my own opinion on content issues regarding Bulgaria. It's just that you might be wondering why nobody responded to your RfC. If you were able to make a definite proposal for better wording, you might attract more support. (Extremely vague RfCs are not a good idea). As it is, it just looks that you were reading sources carelessly. Interpreting this as editors 'trying to eliminate any reference to [Turkish] presence' is surely excessive. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Some Koekjes for you

Buster7 has given you some Nice Koekjes which promote fellowship, goodwill and WikiLove. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of Nice Koekjes around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Koekjes are very tasty and have been known to be so NICE, they will even bake themselves. Enjoy!

```Buster Seven Talk

Mmmmh, very tasty. No idea about to whom I will give "Koekjes" first as I have to find "someone I have had disagreements in the past"; indeed someone who had a chance to receive a nicely smelling Turkish coffee from me as recently as yesterday, lost his chances as he preferred narrow-minded nationalism and the pleasure of "Turk-bashing" to encyclopedia writing with an open mind... --E4024 (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Deprodding of Republic of Pontus

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Republic of Pontus, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!Alexikoua (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I thought you sent me some biscuits; here, have some Turkish tea with them... --E4024 (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Kurtuluş

İlk WP maddemi açtım: Kurtuluş belgesel filmi! Lütfen biraz yardım et bana. Öncelikle maddeyi arayanların kolay bulması için birşeyler yapalım (Kurtuluş-Kurtulus vb). Çok ilginçtir, gemiyi ararken bile "Kurtuluş gemisi" yazınca çıkmıyor, SS yazmak ve "ş" kullanmak gerekiyor! Yani o madde de yardım bekliyor. Hadi beni kutlamak yerine develop this article. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hayırlı olsun :) Aynı isimde başka madde yoksa parantez kullanımı gereksiz madde adlarında. Dolayısıyla parantezli kısmın kaldırılması gerek madde adından. Yine film, İngilizce gösterim adıyla adlandırılmalı. Bu film İngilizce olarak vizyona girdi mi? IMDb'de farklı bir adlandırılma yapılmış mesela. Aksi bir durum yoksa filmin orijinal adı olan Türkçe adı tercih edilmeli. Gemi maddesine gelirsek, sadece "Kurtuluş" adı alabilecek iki bir madde var burada: İstanbul'daki Kurtuluş semti ve Silifke'nin köyü olan Kurtuluş. Aklımıza ilk semt geldiğinden sade ad olan "Kurtuluş" adı, semti anlatan maddeye verilmiş, üst kısmına da "Başka Kurtuluşlar da var, onlara da bakın" gibisinden şuradaki anlam ayrımına bağlantı verilmiş. Geminin adı ise sadece Kurtuluş değil, "SS Kurtuluş". O yüzden Kurtuluş yazınca direk geminin çıkması doğru olmuyor, olamıyor :)--Rapsar (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenedos/Bozcaada: the Ottoman period

What is the issue with not using either name there? Churn and change (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

BRD: Convince me/us in the discussion page of the article. --E4024 (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Fork - bad faith?

I have not been involved in any discussion on Tenedos/Bozcaada naming. You must be mixing me up with somebody else. Churn and change (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a "fork" here. I withdrew the qualification of faith only for being kind to you (civility). No more words for you here, please do not come back. --E4024 (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool down; I did what I thought was right; you did what you thought best. This split wasn't vandalism, nor was it pushing any particular point of view; how would it? On Wikipedia many edits take place, and unless there is an attempt to disrupt or vandalize, don't make it personal. Churn and change (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Izmir or İzmir

Hi, You have moved the name İzmir to Izmir in the article Liberation of İzmir. But up to November 29, 2011, the İ in the original article İzmir was İ and not I .(see [3]) In WP there is no clear cut concensus on the use of non-English letters of the Latin alphabet. Please see the examples of Nové Zámky, Săcueni, Nógrád. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my TP. I did so because Izmir was -and is- Izmir in its own article. Moreover, Istanbul is also Istanbul, as these are common names in English. If you insist on İzmir (the Turkish name of the city) instead of Izmir (the English equivalent) other people may more easily request for awkward outdated names in return. These names are not like the case of "İmroz" (recently re-named "Gökçeada"), the name of a tiny island with its special letters like İ or ü and ç; these are large cities whose names are already settled in English as "Izmir" and "Istanbul". All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Galata

You are probably right about what the name of the article should be, but it must be discussed and consensus obtained. DIscuss it on the page with the modern title. When it is agreed, the articles should be merged. The content about the origin of the ancient name is relevant content--I have not checked to see if there may possibly be other unique content. DGG ( talk ) 17:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I had already opened a discussion thread in Galata and now I tagged it with an RfC template. After 4 or 5 months in WP I am still not very sure about the procedure to follow in every specific case; so I would appreciate it a lot if you did the necessary as you "probably" agree with my opinion. Thanks in advance and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll look at it, DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Ceviche

I declined the move suggested in this edit. If Ceviche needs to be moved, please use the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves, because it would be a controversial move. I don't think the page needs to be moved, though. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my TP. That move request was not controversial when I asked for technical help; but now I see there are two or three users who do not agree with me. Anyhow, I already opened a Move Request discussion on the TP of the said article. (As you might have seen I am not very good at placing templates; the one that you rightly removed was, for example, between the "references" instead of the correct place.) Speaking of references, I would like to ask from you, as both an experienced user interested in the article, and as an admin always ready to help "rather new" users like myself, a simple help: Could you please fix the references to the RAE Dictionary definitions of Cebiche, Ceviche and Seviche; because at present the article has dead ends on these references.

On the other hand, I am sure as an admin you know better than me that you have a right to have an opinion on every article just like any user and am glad that you already told yours. Would you mind writing your arguments pro-"Ceviche" in the discussion thread (Move request: September 2012). Let us see what other users opine and at the end some uninvolved admin will close that move request. As they say in football, "let us hope who plays better wins". Indeed at the end it will be WP who wins. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

By the way, when you notice problems with references, please do not use speedy deletion tags to indicate there's an issue. The speedy deletion tags are for use when you want to propose the deletion of an entire article, not for pointing out problems. There are a variety of templates available for a variety of situations. In the future, please use the most appropriate of these when you identify issues. Thanks! - Eureka Lott 01:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Of course. Why would I do that on purpose? I was only trying to use a "template" to ask admin technical help for a move I considered "not controversial" (I confess I looked only at the TP, not the archives). I was not adding a "tag" for speedy deletion. (I think I learned the correct names of those gadgets at last! Why don't we call all these things simply "tagplates"? :-) In short, I mean I was only trying to make an uncontroversial move. I hope everything is clear now. Also thanks to the revolt I began in the said article now its refs are fixed, a good result... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 09:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doğan Türkmen (2nd nomination). Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. The Bushranger <sub>One ping only</sub> 00:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Spurlin is accustomed to criticism but I am sorry if you think I hurt his feelings... To show my good faith I am offering him a glass of , here in my space. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that YF had, in addition to leaving a harassing message on my talk page, edit-warred to leave a harassing message on my talk page. Thanks for trying to deal with it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. Dealing with users that threaten the civility in this place is more important than anything else in WP. --E4024 (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm so glad you feel that way. Perhaps you could see your way clear to uphold that sentiment by ceasing to treat every IP user you come into contact with with open contempt and backhanded accusations. Comments like " I would like to ask Checkusers and Admins that a regular "check" should be made for every IP that participates in any discussion... --User:E4024|E4024 (User talk:E4024|talk) 19:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)" show a level of hostility and distrust of all IP users that is not really compatible with the ideal that this is the encylopdia anyone can edit. You explicitly do not have to create an account to be treated with dignity and respect, and editing from an IP does not make you automatically a sockpuppet, as your comments on the now deleted talk page of the name of Azerbaijan article would see to suggest. Treating IP users with instant suspiscion is disruptive to harmonious editing and directly contrary to the idea that we assume good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Let me try to explain it so you -hopefully- will not have a wrong impression of me: I wrote that note due to harassment of IP participants on a move discussion, in which the IPs and me were generally on the same side. I refer to the infamous Bozcaada case. I said IPs should be automatically checked in "voted" discussions because during and after the discussion there was a constant effort of demonizing the IPs without any clear reason. (So I thought -and still think- it is a good idea to do this check during "voted" discussions; better than accusing and trying to discard the IP participants with or without basis.) Clear enough? Thanks to you. --E4024 (talk) 19:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)P.D. At the said discussion I also censured an IP participant because s/he implied the "shit" word for one of the name choices.

You sound like you are trying to say that IP users should be automatically checkusered on a sort of "for their own good" basis. Unless those IPs are mind readers as well, what I said above stands. It looks like an assumption of bad faith whether that is what you intended or not. If IPs are being harassed, it is the person doing the harassing that is the problem. If you see that again report it to administrators at WP:ANI. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me all these subtleties Beeblebrox. I am a simple person and try to explain myself simply, although not always succeed it. Let me give you an example from a split discussion. There is only one IP there expressing an opinion (at present). Look at it: It is the only contribution of that IP to Wp and read its words to see that it is very accustomed (at least more than me) to this kind of WP discussions. What am I supposed to think? I am almost sure that a registered user makes use of an IP (any computer other than his/hers) to support his/her position. Or simply asserting his/her position without the user name because s/he is kind of ashamed to defend the undefendable (that s/he wants to defend for reasons not compatible with a desire to make an objective encyclopedia.) Sorry if I am too stubborn but this is how I see things and yes, I would prefer every IP participating in a move, rename, merge, split etc discussion to pass a checkuser test, for the good of WP, not that of any user. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Notice of personal attack

You appear to be engaged in personal attack per WP:NPA in here [4]. Please respect the opinion of others, and assume good faith per WP:AGF. Breaches of WP:CIVIL are regarded as a serious transgression per a 2007 Arbitration case. Sprutt (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

First of all that talk is an old version as I changed the wording. "Sprutt-spread" Armenian nationalism. (I was being "playful". :-) Secondly I did not know that 2007 thing, thanks for letting me know. Thirdly try not to be the accuser as well as prosecutor and judge of your own case. Last but not the least, I am sorry; I thought you could take it more sportively. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 09:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

140.147.236.194

Is likely not Q because the latter edits from the Middle East, not from the US. Tijfo098 (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I know now; not from the Library of Congress... --E4024 (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

"Sir"

I've learned something from the mistake I've made and I added elements for others to avoid it. NO prob' Mimich (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Me too. For a moment I thought something different; sorry. Have some Turkish coffee

on the house, Sir... E4024 (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: your comment on Talk:Kastelorizo

I find it more appropriate to answer you here than in the Talk:Kastelorizo (or Meis to you), since your comment was directed personally to me. It seems to be important to you that I open an account, but I fail to see why that is. You make comments directly to me, but when asked directly, you do not explain. I find that strange. All I can say is that it will be my own decision if and when I open an account. By the way, I'll stick to my promise to tell you if give Fut.Perf. an answer. Regards. --79.160.40.10 (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria article

I counted eight corrections by Tourbillon from the 13. October. My on the other hand are thee. Anything to say? I think you give some people free pass regardless their reliability. Espor (talk) 19:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Give yourself time to learn what is an edit and what is a revert. Also try to think about why several users are reverting you. --E4024 (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know you can make no more than 3 changes in an article for a period of 24 hours, regardless if it is an edit or a revert. Some time ago, when the users reverting Tourbillon's nonsense were more I told him the same. Then someone told me that WP is not a majority vote institution. Now I's replying to you the same way. The only thing that matters are the arguments and their solidity. The arguments on your side are weak and also biased. Therefore, your number is irrelevant. Espor (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Then go ahead and revert. --E4024 (talk) 20:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

IP revert

With regard to your revert of an IP at NK page, you can rv the disruptive edits by IPs or users with less than 500 article space edits without violation of 1RR. But of course you should refrain from edit warring. See the warning of active arbitration remedies on top of the talk page. --Grandmaster 20:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no intention of edit warring in WP, although an edit-warrior called Alexikoua recently caused us both to have a 24 hour rest from contributing to this project for reasons he could better know. If you are looking for an edit warrior in my space, another is just in the previous section of this TP. Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I did not say that you edit warred. On the contrary, I meant that your rv of the IP edits was justified and is not a violation of 1RR on NK page, because the IP was being disruptive and you have the right to undo disruptive edits by IPs without breaking any rv limitations. --Grandmaster 21:15, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Neither did I say that I was not edit warring; I said I had no intention of edit warring... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:17, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for misunderstanding. Grandmaster 21:24, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

88.241.73.17

I declined your request at WP:AIV. While it is promotional vandalism, there haven't been enough warnings to justify a block. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Fort Tenedos

I have added a couple of inline refs - I see an anon reverted your proposed deletion. Wizzy…☎ 07:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Some anons like to revert me, irrespective of the quality of my edits. On the other hand, both refs you added are from unRSs. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

re NKR

This has nothing to do with politics. OK, you want a completely parallel example? Ireland vs Ireland. The country Ireland is not coterminous with the island Ireland. And when Ireland was still named "Republic of Ireland", we would still not complain when people called it Ireland because that was its short form name. The simple fact of the matter is, "Nagorno-Karabakh" is the short-form name of the country, and is used extensively in the article. No one is saying that the NKR is the same as the region of Nagorno-Karabakh. No one is suggesting a merge. You're dreaming boogeymen out of nowhere. --Golbez (talk) 18:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	You are perfection, enough said! (: VJ.West (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Mom says the same... :-) --E4024 (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

The editor has a really unusual history. I noticed them on their edit at Italian Cuisine. Do you know them? Is it just someone blowing off steam? (and I think you are special, too!) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

No. Aucune idée. I only know that everybody is special. --E4024 (talk) 20:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Unusual, quite. Editing in bad faith, no! --VJ.West (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Turkish people

Hi E4024, would you please have a look at the Turkish people article. The recent conflict is very similar to that of which was in the Turkish Cypriots article a few weeks ago.Turco85 (Talk) 11:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I see. I am sick and bored of those Geeks. --E4024 (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Ro-Ro Boat

Sorry, robot; or simply "bot". Have you got one to add "province" WLs to the List of Turkish islands? I am a hard worker but not so young to do this manually... --E4024 (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I think it is better to do something like this one. Also some of these islands are not notable, and there is no reason to give them wiki links.--Rapsar (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Although I could not see the difference of those other articles, do as you wish. (It is always better to do something than stand still.) Bazi adalarin "notable" olup olmamasi su anda önemli degil, cünkü bunlar "redlink". It is good to have a -more or less- complete list at hand; so if we lose any rocks we will know which one... :-) My reference to WLs is about the "provinces" (Balikesir, Izmir etc) that these islands and islets belong to. Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to do something like that. I think that's better than the "USA's list" :) We can sort the list by name of the islands, locations and provinces.--Rapsar (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

My, my; that's really nice... --E4024 (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• I'm done with this one. Looks better now, I think.--Rapsar (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

How not? If you made it... Thank you very much dostum. --E4024 (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I did not think you were online :) I fixed some links and it looks even better (even better doğru kullanım mıdır tam emin olamadım ama :)--Rapsar (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Your English is "more better" everyday... :-) --E4024 (talk) 22:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

:)--Rapsar (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Warning for edit warring on Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

You have been edit warring on Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Do not continue to do so. If you do, or make any more reversions, you may be blocked from editing without further warning. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The person who is edit warring is using two different IPs other than the user name. They are clear sockpuppets. That is the reason I reverted them several times. If you look at how it began, you may see that I was one against 3 (all 3 the same person). If you really are interested in making a better WP, open an SPI case for Inspectortr and the IPs. Thanks all the same. --E4024 (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I have little patience when people try to shift the blame for their own actions onto someone else. You're both edit warring, so you've both received warnings, and if either of you continue to edit war, you may be blocked. That's all that matters here. Additionally, directing passive-aggressive statements at me, such as those about "making a better WP" might just put me off finishing the investigation I'm doing into your accusations of sockpuppetry. If you'd rather I stop so you can file an SPI case instead, you can continue to make such statements. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Kuslar

Belki sen degil ama birisi Kusadasini da ada yapmis galiba. Güvercin filan derken... Oraya bir have a look please. --E4024 (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. By the way, can you read Ottoman Turkish? Or do you know someone that can read?--Rapsar (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Daktilo ile (ve hereke kullanarak) yazmislarsa okuyabilirim sanirim. Aksi takdirde no chance... --E4024 (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Çok önemli olmayan şu (resim altları olsa yeterli, çözünürlük düşük belki zor olur okuması). Burada da isimlerin okunması güzel olacaktır.--Rapsar (talk) 22:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I can barely read "Galatasaray Futbol Takimi" in the title. The rest is too difficult... --E4024 (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Derginin adi: "Spor Alemi". (Fotospor'un dedesi galiba... :-) --E4024 (talk) 22:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Bu yazilari daha koyu ve iri, okunakli hale getirip bana gönderirsen I could give it another try. Everything for football... --E4024 (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Tripe soups

To avoid misunderstandings... I have reverted the article to a version before the interference of a sockpuppetteer/POV-pusher. These sockpuppets were Welshwind and the IP, not you. It was just that you drew my attention to the article again. The Banner <sub>talk</sub> 22:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I have no misunderstandings; I was just trying to say that in Turkish there is no word such as "Tuslema" and "Tuzlama" is not tripe soup. Thanks for being kind enough to visit here and talk to me. Best. --E4024 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Regional variations of Baklava

Hi, E4024. Of course baklava is more typical of Turkey, Greece, and Syria than it is of Afghanistan. But frankly, I don't take the "regional variations" section too seriously. It is mostly OR anyway. I do find it interesting that the famous Antep (`Aintab) baklava apparently comes from Aleppo.... So should we put Syria before Turkey? Organizing such a section by modern nation-states is itself silly. --Macrakis (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Do it if you wish so; but I have lived in Syria and never saw something "really" (not in photos) similar to Turkish baklava... --E4024 (talk) 23:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Nicos Anastasiades xlinks

Go with the guidelines at WP:EL, which basically boil down to, if they add information that is useful that we either can't or haven't put in the article yet, they stay. Official websites should always be there, though. Daniel Case (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. It helped me to remove an EL from another article incompatible with the outlines. As regards this one, I believe those two links could be considered within WP:EL "Links normally to be avoided" (5). I asked you as an experienced user not to make a mistake... --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW, all those edits were made by a sockpuppet; what a surprise! I would never imagine socks on that area... --E4024 (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Istanbul

Thanks for the invitation and the great phonetic English message in which you wrote to me. I will check the discussion about Istanbul and see if I can comment there. Istanbul is surely a great city. I dedicate to you a wonderful song about the city called "Istanbul". It is from a Belgian Armenian singer called Marc Aryan. He was actually born in Lebanon but his parents were from Malatya. The song is in French. "Istanbul" song. Sorry about the bad quality of the recording, but "Istanbul" is a truly superb song from an absolute star who sang in many languages including Turkish and where he was too much loved. Some other songs in Turkish by the same singer [5] and [6] and [7] Enjoy! werldwayd (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I thank you very much for the interest and the wonderful songs. Neither Istanbul nor the music of Marc Aryan could possibly be loved "too much". (BTW our beloved WP says he was born in Valence, France.) Thanks again and take care. --E4024 (talk) 08:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy Turkey Day

Happy Thanksgiving, E4024!
As we all sit down at the dinner table and say our thanks, I would like to give thanks to you for your wonderful contributions and wish you a very happy Thanksgiving Holiday. May your turkey, ham or beast of choice satiate you until next year! TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 14:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)	A traditional Thanksgiving dinner.

Thank you very much, Buster. All the same to you; enjoy Turkey, and the turkey too. I sent you a dessert to try before a "sade" (without sugar) Turkish coffee. Big hug. --E4024 (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring, as you did at Varosha, Famagusta. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 15:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

For your victory in Kadıköy today. Would you mind fixing the "navigation boxes" of our beloved Lefter? I have no idea what those boxes are, but they seem to be experiencing technical difficulties... Thanks and selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. But we didn't win today, I'm a Galatasaray fan :)--Rapsar (talk) 23:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I knew it! Who else would ask me to transliterate the subtitles of an old GS photo; I had already takılmıştım you, forgot it? Congratulations for yesterday in the Arena then... And thanks. --E4024 (talk) 23:24, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Done.--Rapsar (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

More thanks then. You are a WikiGnome... --E4024 (talk) 18:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Iran (Islamic Republic of)

Regarding your edit summary here — I'm getting the impression that Iran is officially "Iran (Islamic Republic of)" in various international organisations, including the UN, and the same appears to be true of "Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)". That being said, I agree that we don't need to include (Adjective Republic of) in this article. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my Talk Page. Feel free to revert my edits; they have little importance... --E4024 (talk) 19:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Here, "Venezuela" at the UNGA. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit-warring block

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

This is related to your edit warring at Turkish invasion of Cyprus. As noted by our edit-warring policy, repeatedly reverting other people is counterproductive and disruptive, even when you are in the right. Please note that I've also blocked 200.48.39.22, since both you and he appear to be equally involved in this edit war. Nyttend (talk) 19:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to issue any blocks there, unless of course something else happen — the last revert is nearly 24 hours old (while I blocked you and the IP about an hour after the last reversion at the invasion article), and blocks are only appropriate when the edit war seems still to be going happening. If Maurice07 were planning on continuing the edit war, he probably would have done something in the last twelve hours. Nyttend (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. The delay to report, on my side, was due to wait and see what admins do with regard to certain other users who do similar things to mine... Best. --E4024 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

My second barnstar

(Here there was a photo of a cute black kid standing beside a woman in niqab.)

Thank you. Nice photo. BTW which one am I? I hope the child, because I would like to begin life again and avoid coming together with certain people... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out with the unwanted visitor on my talk page, and sorry they then decided to have a go at you as well. What a charming individual! N-HH talk/edits 09:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, my pleasure. These people are "colours" of life, some a bit dark though... --E4024 (talk) 10:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Removal of a reference at Igdir

Hello E4024. Please see a discussion at User talk:EdJohnston#Request about Iğdır. User:Kansas Bear has complained about your removal of a reference about the monument which is a report by Tessa Hofmann. The reference does appear to be legit and the text it provides about the monument is not very controversial. Tessa Hofmann seems to have a reputation as a scholar. One of her books is held in 108 libraries according to Worldcat. You can respond at my talk page if you wish. Kansas Bear objects to the reasoning that you used for removal and thinks you should be notified under WP:ARBAA2. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Since you haven't responded at User talk:EdJohnston#Request about Iğdır it seems likely that you will be official warned under ARBAA2. It is easy to imagine that you simply overlooked the mention of the monument in the document, since it was brief, but you haven't commented on that. EdJohnston (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Certainly I must have overlooked; I cannot waste too much time to read completely a "not very controversial" paper. Without doubt I did not do anything "under clearly less than sincere reasons". The reason I have not come to your TP is it is too crowded and I prefer my own space to talk, so that I may avoid intruders. Thank you very much. Peace. --E4024 (talk) 20:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

If you want to edit in a controversial area, it is reasonable to expect you to explain your changes. Turks vs. Armenians is an important issue, and the intensity with which opinions are held often forces admins to get involved on that topic, even if they would rather not. If you prefer not to explain your edits, I seriously suggest that you should avoid topics involving Armenians. You seem to have good intentions and you want to be productive. Also it is not yet very common here to have editors who can work on Turkish topics who can bring local knowledge and insight, so it is useful in principle to have you around. The block notices you have received in 2012 are disconcerting, but I don't see why those notices should cast a shadow on your future here. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice words. Please continue to guide me and do not hesitate to use the "undo" or "change" buttons on my edits whenever you deem necessary. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:26, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

The price of being young

Please do me another favour... Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 22:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I paid my price :) You can change these informations if you want, if you don't like.--Rapsar (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

How am I not going to like it! Thank you very much. Now let us hope someone make the linkage from TR:WP. (Orada hala engellenmemiş kullanıcılar var, di mi? :-) Sevgiler. --E4024 (talk) 15:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Notice of the WP:ARBAA2 decision

File:Yes

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related conflicts. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, satisfy any standard of behavior, or follow any normal editorial process. If you continue to misconduct yourself on pages relating to this topic, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read at the "Final decision" section of the decision page.

Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page before making any further edits to the pages in question. This notice is given by an uninvolved administrator and will be logged on the case decision, pursuant to the conditions of the Arbitration Committee's discretionary sanctions system.

I'm issuing the standard notice following a complaint on my talk page at User talk:EdJohnston#Request about Iğdır. From our discussion above, you have decided not to respond there. The Iğdır issue involves a dispute between Turks and Armenians, which falls under the WP:ARBAA2 decision. Admins are often asked to check the pattern of someone's edits in a topic area where national disputes occur to see if they are complying with policy. If a person is truly editing neutrally, you should not be able to tell from a review of their contributions what side they favor. I'm afraid that in your case it is very easy to tell what side you are on. When you edit on Turkish-Greek subjects you should also be aware of WP:ARBMAC. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)