User talk:Gilabrand

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*User:Gilabrand/Awards and barnstars

I, Shuki, hereby award you the Israeli Barnstar of National Merit for your extraordinary contribution to Israel-related articles on WP. Thank you --Shuki (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For working on an article that you felt shouldn't even exist and helping to bring it up, even if temporarily, to encyclopedic standards. Nableezy (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		For editing the page Jerusalem stone.Elan26 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Elan26

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I hereby award you The Photographer's Barnstar for the beautiful photos of Israel and Jewish stuff you have taken and graced Wikipedia with! I had noticed your contrbution way back in July 2007! The one of the Dome of the Rock viewed through the Cotton Merchants Gate (right) is my favourite! Happy snapping! Chesdovi (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work on Hat, I hereby award you this barnstar. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is given to User:Gilabrand in recognition of all your imaginative and original photographs related to topics about Israel and Judaism, as can be seen on your user page. In particular, I was impressed by how many of these photographs enhance so many articles about people, places and things in Israel. Mazal Tov and may you be blessed to continue contributing to Wikipedia in this productive fashion for a long time to come. See Wikipedia:Barnstars: "The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Wikipedia through their technical work..." and you most certainly deserve it. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I was going to give you the copyeditor's barnstar, but I then realized that would be shortchanging your many other valuable contributions to and helping out with Israel and Judaism related articles. Much appreciated! nadav (talk) 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all your quality contributions to Israel-related articles, you fully deserve this. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		i frummer give you this award for all the great work you've put into many judaism, jewish and israel relates articles, all the while steering clear of controversy! ..thnx Gila!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For the excellent editting and formatting that helped lead to Israel's promotion to featured article status. --Jdcaust 16:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		I award you with this Jewish Barnstar Award for your helping keep the Judaism article up to standards. Keep up Your Good Work! Nimrauko 23:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For defending Wikipedia from all lies-on-the-ground :).--Mbz1 (talk) 14:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Golden Wiki Award In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 66.87.0.115 (talk) 20:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

		The Modest Barnstar
		You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.2.33 (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

You've been busy today with some great editing, so here's a falafel. Sit back and enjoy. Jethro B 23:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For your tireless contribution and efforts. E3 (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Gilad Margalit

Hello Gila! I saw you are an experienced editor, and edit some text about Jewish historians, that why I asked your help. I wrote the first time in English, about an Israeli historian, Gilad Margalit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Gilad_Margalit

and do not know if it is good enough in the English Wikipedia standards, can you please help me?

this subject is important for me, Ill write you more in person why. Thank you and Chag Sameach! --לולק (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Articles on Wikipedia need to be based on reliable sources. At the moment, the text is "original research" because it lacks citations. When you fix that up, I will gladly help with the English.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Gilabrand, Thanks for all your contributions on the Israeli cuisine article over the past few months. I'm happy to see that it has been promoted to GA status and I'm sure that is in no small part due to your efforts! Best regards, --- Chefallen (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so much for the edits in Jewish wedding. I thought it would take years to make it a decent article, and you made it in a few minutes. Definitely this is a case where being WP:BOLD is the one and only solution ! --Licory (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

re Child

Thaks for this. I have this article on my watchlist and it seems to be a target for vandalism etc., so it's nice to see your good and useful contribution. Keep up the good work! Herostratus (talk) 17:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Mount of Olives

Hi, nice editing and picture-adding on this article. What are your thoughts on breaking off the cemetery into a separate article, such as Mount of Olives (Jewish cemetery), which would help us expand on the history of burials here? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 08:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. The lists on this page are really getting out of hand...I wouldn't write "Jewish cemetery" in parentheses, though. I think I would call the article "Mount of Olives Cemetery" and link it to this one.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

for the interesting etymological article you linked to in Emek Refaim. I have learnt something, for which I am grateful. RolandR (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this edit. I was going to do something similar last night, but was too tired when I got home, and had to go to bed. --NSH001 (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for reassessing Ayoob Kara. :) --Metallurgist (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, do you have any recommendations for how to improve it further?

Allar, Jerusalem

Please restore the original article name and open a move request. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 19:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Ahalan wasahalan, Tiamut. Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all is well. About Allar, the article clearly states that it is 17 kilometers from Jerusalem, which puts it in the Jerusalem District. The only reason for adding anything to the village name is for disambiguation purposes. For that purpose, Allar (village) seems best but since you have done some nice work on the article, I'll leave that up to you.--Geewhiz (talk) 06:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ahlan fiki Gilabrand. I don't know which source says its 17km from Jerusalem so I've removed that bit and gone with Petersen's description which is simply southwest of Jerusalem. Palestinian villages depopulated in 1948 are generally disambiguated by including the name of the district they were located in without prefacing it by "District of..." - its too wordy. As a result, I've moved it back to the original title. I think I violated 1RR by doing so, but don't want to undo and create an even bigger mess, so I've asked at arbitration for advice on how to proceed. In the future, if you could open a discussion on the talk page before moving pages, that would be good. We could then avoid these back and forths altogether then. Take care, Tiamut^talk 08:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Water supply and sanitation in Israel

Thank you for your edits to this article, which are greatly appreciated. I noticed that the history section has been moved only partially and perhaps you had to interrupt your work on the article. If that is the case, I just wanted to encourage you to continue to move the history section completely. Also, I noticed that you added a picture of the Menashe artificial recharge plant. Since the article has no content on artificial recharge yet, you may want to add such information. One possible source is here:http://www.mekorot.co.il/Eng/Activities/Pages/WastewaterTreatmentandReclamation.aspx. Keep on the good work!--Mschiffler (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Liege

Is there a reason you're not reporting the Belgian IPs that're hounding all your edits lately? They've become quite a nuisance.—Biosketch (talk) 09:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Genealogy

Re: Folke Bernadotte - I have seen to it that the excessive genealogy once in this article (and many others) has been edited and reduced considerably. So I fully agree with your edit summary comment. But isn't it customary to mention the children of a person with a WP biography? SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC) moved to article's talk page. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge regarding Caesarea

You have participated in discussion over possible merge of similar articles into Caesarea, you are welcome to participate in the ongoing merger discussion there.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Neighborhoods of Jerusalem

Having made several additions to this template, I thought you might be interested in the disussion. Last section: "Sources" --@Efrat (talk) 12:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to update Template:Neighborhoods of Jerusalem in a day or two. I would appreciate your comments before the fireworks begin. --@Efrat (talk) 08:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Need Hebrew-language translator

I need someone to translate my English proposal into Hebrew to delist File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg as a Featured Picture of Hebrew Wikipedia. This issue is discussed in WP:Editor assistance/Requests. This is the same message from User talk:IZAK. IZAK recommends me to contact you if you are available. --George Ho (talk) 08:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that I don't understand the English.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Here's my broken version, but hopefully simple English for you:

Photo made in 1955. Available to public (or "publication" if you understand) unknown and not well-proven. Deletion proposed in commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg

I hope this helps you translate into Hebrew easily. --George Ho (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Forgot the link he:קובץ:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg. --George Ho (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hope this works for you.

צילום משנת 1955. נסיבות פרסום לא ברורות וללא סימוכין. מציע למחוק. --Geewhiz (talk) 09:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not bad, but don't forget: צילום משנת 1955. נסיבות פרסום לא ברורות וללא סימוכין. מציע למחוק (commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg). (copyedit if that doesn't look good) Also, in he:ויקיפדיה:תמונה מומלצת/הוספה למומלצות/דיונים, where can I propose a delisting? --George Ho (talk) 09:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Israel project assessments

I should be able to diagnose any problems with the assessment tables. Could you let me know which table you are looking at, that may not be updating correctly? You can just tell me which page you are looking at and I can work from there. Thanks, — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about this page.[[1]] One example of an article that was upgraded from start to stub (out of dozens) is Gan Shmuel. But it is still on the stub list.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

NDS Group

Hello Gilabrand. An IP editor made a rather confusing complaint at WP:AN3#NDS Group. Replying to a single-use IP is not always worthwhile. I noticed your name in the edit history, as someone who had previously reverted one of the people who possibly has a COI, User talk:Shmecklebort. If you think this issue needs wider review, consider opening a report at WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. This would be a better place than AN3 to look into such a problem. If you don't think any admin assistance is needed, then ignore this. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Beersheba

Hi , could you please add the images to beersheva of the Gaza-Be'er sheva canyon in the dalet neighborhood and the pyramid house in Dalet ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.226.6.106 (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Ephraim Henry Pavie

Hi, how was your Seder? I don't know much about extracting images from Flickr, but maybe you can help find a photo there to accompany the content I just added here. Hopefully you'll agree this guy's work is vastly more deserving of attention than that other architect I contacted you about a few months ago.—Biosketch (talk) 19:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Shmuel HaNavi (neighborhood)

Hi Gila, I noticed you restored some information about Mandelbaum Gate, the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, and the archeological digs to this article. I just started a new page, Shmuel HaNavi Street, which is more appropriate to these subjects. I limited the information in the neighborhood article to the neighborhood itself. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I really don't understanding your thinking. Shmuel HaNavi is a distinct neighborhood with those fairy-tale looking buildings. Anything east of that is part of Arzei HaBira and Beit Yisrael. Simcha Mandelbaum's house and the Jerusalem Zoo have nothing to do with the neighborhood, which was built long after, in the 1960s. Maybe the Mandelbaum Gate could be mentioned in the part about the armistice line. For the same reason, I deleted mention of the Shabbos demonstrations at the corner of Shmuel HaNavi Street and Yechezkel. I thought it best to focus on just the neighborhood itself, and leave the larger description for Shmuel HaNavi Street. Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

What fairy-tale houses do you mean? The Project Renewal buildings? According to reliable sources, the Mandelbaum house, the zoo and the quarry excavations are in the Shmuel HaNavi neighborhood. Mandelbaum's house dates from 1927 (which certainly predates Arzei HaBira) and the zoo was established in 1941, before it moved to Mount Scopus in 1947, followed by Bar Ilan and Malha. I believe that neighborhood articles should include the history of the neighborhood, and that includes landmarks that were there in earlier times, which may or may not be included in what is popularly considered its boundaries today.--Geewhiz (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I thought about the presentation some more and edited the page so it would flow better. Hope you like it. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's an interesting question. When you added the "street" information to the "neighborhood" article, the two articles now read almost the same, save for some extra details about the Shikun Shmuel HaNavi housing project. Do you think the pages should be combined back into one article, Shmuel HaNavi (neighborhood)? Yoninah (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

When I added material earlier today I kept it short so as not to compete with the street article, and thought that having two articles was fine. With your current editing, I do see them starting to sound similar. So now I don't really know the answer to your question...Maybe we should ask for other opinions--Geewhiz (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Jaffa riots

About the "commonly known as Me'oraot Tarpa", what do you think about rewriting it so that it is more like the start of the Bangkok article ? It says what it is known as in Thai, providing the transliteration, and it says what it literally means. Just saying "commonly known as Me'oraot Tarpa" seems quite vague to me e.g. known by whom/where and in what language, Hebrew or Arabic ? Also if Me'oraot Tarpa is going to be treated as an alternative name in bold, there needs to be a redirect to Jaffa riots. Sean.hoyland - talk 02:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yom Hazikaron - but not "On this day..." (WP:MP)

Dear Gila, I appreciate your edit to repositioncontent in Yom Hazikaron#History. My content editing on that page these past few hours - mainly to add references and inline citations ASAP - is spurred by the continuing omission of Yom Hazikaron as a Selected Anniversary on the Main Page's "On this day...". This wasn't a problem in the past seven (!) consecutive years, as I noted in my ongoing Main Page Error query. I'm having difficulty believing that the requisite good faith is being universallly practiced here. User:Dweller, with no prompting from me, spontaneously removed the maintenance template, so far to no avail with that page's admins. I hope this will end soon, and favorably. Please let me know if you have further advice for me. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Ephraim Moses Lilien‎

Hi in your comment concerning the image caption (diff | hist) . . Ephraim Moses Lilien‎; 10:35 . . (-32)‎ . . ‎Gilabrand (talk | contribs)‎ (credits are not cited on photographic material) the museum is not cited as a credit but rather as a location of the item, similar to other artwork found in Wikipedia for example Las Meninas where the museum is noted Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

List of Lighthouses

Hi again, Gilabrand. First, thank you for adding material to the article. I've been meaning to do that for a long time and push it to FL, but real life keeps requiring my attention elsewhere. It actually went through peer review but I was not able to take it forward. I take it that you forgot our previous discussion, which still applies. the format is the standard format for lists of lighthouses, and until someone comes with the knowledge and time to write a full-fledged article about the history of lighthouses in Israel, I think a list, which has the chance of going FL, is preferred to an article with zero chance. With our previous discussion in mind, I hope it is OK that I am reverting it back to the list format. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

1RR violation at Barkan Wine Cellars

Please self-revert. Thanks. --Frederico1234 (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not original research. What you believe the reader should know is all fine and well, but the source does not say that. Hope this clarified things. Best, --Geewhiz (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

What doesn't the source say? That Golan Heights and West Bank is Israeli-occupied? --Frederico1234 (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Forget about the 1RR. I might have done the edit based on an erroneous assumption (see article Talk). --Frederico1234 (talk) 07:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Israeli wine

Thanks for your kind words. I noticed the sad state of many Israeli wine related articles a few weeks ago and decided it would be a fruitful (pun intended) place to focus my energies for a little while. --Bachrach44 (talk) 11:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Completely off-topic, would it be possible to communicate with you by email? I see that function is disabled on your page. I wanted to ask you something about DC, with which you seem to have some familiarity, judging by your photo contributions--Geewhiz (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure - just slap @gmail.com to the end of my username. --Bachrach44 (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Question about an edit

Hi, I just wanted to mention that the official name of the IMJ is "The Israel Museum, Jerusalem" although Wikipedia only refers to it as "Israel Museum". I therefore felt it was correct in the article on the information center as was. I invite you to see our new project [www.wikilovesisrael.com site] which refers you to our new List of public art in Israel. Thanks Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 20:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Question about an edit

Hi Gilabrand,

I was wondering about this edit: you removed some content, but wrote 'add' in the edit summary. Did you intend to remove the content? (If you did, I can understand why, but the edit summary implies that this was unintentional).

Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

You are right. I deleted content that was added without a source, but added information in the following paragraph. At that moment, a crew of workers walked into my house and I pushed the save button without writing a full summary. Sorry about that.--Geewhiz (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi Gila!

So nice to meet you once more on this page. The article I am writing about Ariadna Skryabina is in Hebrew wikipedia in my user page (subpage). My nick name there is the same as in English wikipedia. The article is not finished, but you can look how it goes and, maybe, fix or add something. I will put the article to the articles' area when at least the most important stuff, WWII and Ariadna's death, will be there. --AllaRo (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Israel State Archives

If you want to write a noninfringing version of the article, do so on a subpage, as instructed in the notice I've added to the article; and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining that you've done so. The content you restored to the article was a clear copyright infringement, your subsequent minimal rewording does not prevent it from being an unacceptable close paraphrase. Deor (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I have added new sources to the article, reorganized it, and rewritten parts of it. Certain responsibilities of the archive cannot be worded in a different way. At this point, you are scaring off the newbies, which is worthy of reporting to Jimmy Wales, who expressly condemned such practices. I suggest you remove the tag and allow the article to be improved, as I wrote on your talk page and noted on the article's talk page.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You can certainly report me to Wales or to ANI if you want to. All I did was delete the copyvio in the article some days ago and then redelete it when it was readded (in an unwikified paste of the displayed version of the predeletion content) by Yarrowplant today. I left an explanation on Yarrowplant's talk page, which hardly constitutes "scaring off the newbies".

As I said above, you should follow the instructions on the notice in the article (the third boldfaced line under "Can you help resolve this issue?") if you want to write a noninfringing version, not just add material to the text hidden by the notice—though "Certain responsibilities of the archive cannot be worded in a different way" is not an adequate justification for a literal reproduction or close paraphrase of the Web site's language. Deor (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Mount Herzl

Could you hold off for a bit? You're trying to clean up what I'm already cleaning up. Beastiepaws (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

In my view, better two hands than one. There is much cleaning to do.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but we're generating edit conflicts, and I think your ideas about structure are different from mine. I was trying to get the Museum/Education stuff into one lump, tidy up the Military/police section, delete the most incomprehensible bits (and there are a few), and then work out what to do with the stray gardens and sculptures. Also, I think Garden of the Missing Soldiers and Herzl Museum need to be merged back in. Do you have a more logical approach? Beastiepaws (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My take is that the article is about a cemetery. Therefore material on the cemetery and its main burial plots should take precedence to educational facilities and museums. Sections should be illustrated with relevant photos. There is no need for dozens of photos, and those that are included should be of good quality. Incomprehensible English needs to be removed. Ditto for original research unless reliable sourcing can be found. At the moment, this article, about a very important place, is a disgrace.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with all of that. I believe some of the OR is factually correct and I don't mind hunting up sources for it. I also think some of what looks almost like normal English isn't-- for example, I'm pretty sure all those "central memorial"s are machine translator artefacts that should be "main memorial" or maybe just "memorial". I'm going to leave you to it, since it's late here. If you go lightly over the OR aspects, I'll look for sources in the morning. Beastiepaws (talk) 10:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I'll leave it be for the moment. Thanks for caring! Anyhow, the real world beckons...--Geewhiz (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) Editing anything Israel-related can be a bit of a fraught process. I don't think I've done an A-1 cleanup job by any stretch, but it's considerably better than it was. What do you think about the merge suggestions I made?Beastiepaws (talk) 01:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A lot of important information was deleted. Please take note of what you deleted the article, If you decide that there will be no Memorials here so maybe it is better to make them in a separate article. פארוק (talk) 10:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Farouk, our goal is the same. I agree that the material is important, but it needs to be written in proper English and backed up by reliable sources. Having mangled sentences that nobody can understand does not help anyone. The article needs cleaning up. After that, data can be restored, but the right way this time, not just to fill up space.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. But you can be sure that everything I wrote here it is already in the Hebrew version. And if you decide that some articles should be merge into the article here so why now you say it takes too many place in the article ? ..... I wrote separate articles that can take a lot of space in the article. פארוק (talk) 11:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: IDF Squadrons

Hi Gilabrand,

I agree that the articles are bad, but there are a few articles about squadrons which are actually very good and of sufficient length—as with other topics, it depends on having someone knowledgeable on the subject expand them. Before merging, I would talk to User:Poliocretes about it, he has lots of knowledge and sources.

Cheers, —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Garden of the Missing Soldiers

An article that you have been involved in editing, Garden of the Missing Soldiers , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

this section in Mount Herzl have all empty graves for soldiers that have no graves. and i think that someone here hates Israel and because of this he delete articles about Israel or merge them into other articles. even in Hebrew wikipedia we don't delete/merge short articles or articles with a few links and never delete half Article. פארוק (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)פארוק (talk) 08:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC

We cannot presume such motivations. The best course of action is to improve the article being contested by adding information and reliable sources, preferably in English. Hebrew Wikipedia tends to be more forgiving on the subject of original research. If you translate a Hebrew article by using some push-button translation app, which produces a text that is mainly gibberish, don't be surprised when someone challenges it.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance

Dear Gila, I remember that the "conservatorium" was located in Kikar Zion (early 50's). There is some confusion as to the early complicated development of this institution, but one cannot ignore this location while mentioning that "Israeli composer Josef Tal headed the academy in 1948–52". Etan J. Tal^(talk) 12:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you cite a source for that? I don't see it mentioned on the academy's history page.--Geewhiz (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

pls refer to http://www.haaretz.co.il/gallery/1.1415436?userName=etantal%40gmail.com&password=18zbyh&passwordName=%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%90

specifically to the third paragraph:

המוסד החדש, בהנהלתה של יוכבד דוסטרובסקי-קופרניק, עבר מהבניין בכיכר ציון לפעול בכיתות שנשכרו בבית ספר בעיר.

Will this be OK? I suspect there was a personal bias which caused someone not to mention this fact in the formal web site. Ironically there is no mention of Tal there even today... Etan J. Tal^(talk)

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Yad Kennedy

Dear Gilabrand, I appreciate your looking at "Yad Kennedy" and moving it from "start" to "C-class." Since you did that, I have done a lot of work on the article and think it might even be better than C-class at this point. If you have a chance to take another look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 04:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see you have made some good improvements. But I see several problems. One, the location map is much too large and has little value. Two, I don't think this page is the right place for potted histories of JFK and his assassination. Both can be read about via links to those pages. I think this page should be devoted to the monument.--Geewhiz (talk) 04:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I had a lot of problems with the map. I tried the Jerusalem map, but the location mark ends up being outside of the map. I guess that for readers unfamiliar with Israel the map could help a little, but I also couldn't figure out how to make the map smaller. If you (or anyone else reading this comment) could find a better location map or downsize this one, I would be happy to see that done!

In terms of the very small amount of info about Kennedy and the assassination, I hope that is retained, because I know that fewer and fewer young readers know about him, and a memorial to him and his assassination should (in my view) give some quick synopsis of the history behind the memorial. A fuller reading can be found from the "main article" dablinks above each paragraph. I took my cue from the layout of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial page, where the same is done: most of the article deals with the memorial, but small paragraphs describe the man and the assassination. I know it's a matter of taste and opinion, but my personal hope is that these short descriptions are retained..... NearTheZoo (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for adding the new photos! NearTheZoo (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Dear Gilabrand, I wanted to share some interesting news that may make this article more important as a resource. I have made the suggestion to KKL-JNF and some friends in the Israeli government that they consider a major event at Yad Kennedy in November 2013, which will be the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. There is some very positive initial reaction to the idea, and I have been recommending this article as a good background resource. I feel like you and I have been partners in improving it, and I thank you! :) NearTheZoo (talk) 13:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to be of help. If you need anything, give a yell.--Geewhiz (talk) 13:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Exclusive economic zone

Thanks Troll Refaim (talk) 16:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Ambassador of Colombia to Israel

Please comment on Talk:Ambassador of Colombia to Israel so we can have this issue resolved and remove the template or merge the articles. Thanks. mijotoba (talk) 17:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

History of the Palestinian territories and Judea

Mostly in the interests of full discloser, I feel I should tell you that I restored {{History of the Palestinian territories}} to the Judea article, it now has a section for Judea. Tough dealing primarily with the modern history of the Palestinian territories, it does to a lesser extent deal with the ancient lands that comprise the modern-day Palestinian territories. It also has a (very sort) section for the Ancient Gaza Strip. When you removed the template it looked like this, and had almost nothing about the ancient Palestinian territories. Considering template's current state, I don't think re-adding it will be a problem, but sense your the one who removed it in the first place I thought it was best to inform you. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Down in the orchard, something stirred...

That IP deletion will have been dozzdozz, who has been trying for a long time to put Upper Galilee in Palestine, not Israel. He/she surfaces at quite random intervals of time, which is why I've got Orchard on my watchlist. A minor edit war, but it's gone on for a few years now. Peridon (talk) 13:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

External links on Doll

For the first link see WP:NONENGEL and the second WP:ELNO #13: "Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject." A site with a few images from a single puppet festival is not broad in scope enough to be linked from a broad article like Doll. Siawase (talk) 12:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Herodium

You and User:Hmbr did a nice job on Herodium. There is one question. In this edit you merged some content, including a reference called "parks". Now that reference is broken, see Talk:Herodium#Orphaned_references_in_Herodium. Can you please add the full reference to the article? Thank you, Debresser (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

What happened at Al-Fakhura school incident?

I reverted some of your edits at Al-Fakhura school incident, since they mangled references, which seemed like obvious vandalism to me. But I realize that you seem to be an experienced editor, so I should give you some benefit of the doubt. I should also tell you that I reported this at WT:IPCOLL#Strange edits at Al-Fakhura school incident. — Sebastian 08:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi SebastianHelm. I was in the middle of editing and was about to fix the ref problem when you reverted my changes. Nice that someone is tracking vandalism, but in this case, you were a bit quick on the draw. Everything is fixed now, as far as I can see. Best--Geewhiz (talk) 08:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem Foundation

Hi, I don't quite understand your recent edits at Jerusalem Foundation. Taking the leadership out of the Leadership section makes it read rather choppy. Also, why did you delete mention of the New Jerusalem Foundation, as the sources clearly show it was an outgrowth of the Jerusalem Foundation? Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

If I remember correctly (which I may not) I only changed the heading into organizational structure or something similar. If I messed it up, please fix. I don't think the New Jerusalem Foundation belongs in this article. If it is a different foundation (and is noteworthy, which I am not so sure about), it should have it's own article. Otherwise it just introduces political scandals that are not connected to the work of the Jerusalem Foundation.--Geewhiz (talk) 11:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Please be cautious with photos on sensitive issues

Hello,

on the Culture of Israel article, I recently noticed you included a picture of the Illegal (to quote wiki At present, based on the result of numerous UN resolutions that cite Article 49 of the Geneva Convention, the consensus view of the international community is that Israeli settlements are illegal and constitute a violation of international law.[10][11][12][35][36] According to the BBC, every government in the world, except Israel, considers the settlements to be illegal.[37]) Israeli settlement of Tzofim, located in Palestine on the article culture of Israel.

This is not appropriate, as no current international body or even WP:consensus accepts the settlements as part of Israel.

Thus they are completely misplaced. I imagine it was a mistake on your part, but I am just asking is all to be a little cautious.

Thank you!

Solntsa90 (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Nice that you are interested in Israeli culture, but clearly you know very little about it. The link was wrong - thanks for point it out - but Tzofim is the Israeli scout movement which is very much a part of Israeli culture. Furthermore, your attempts to delete pictures that illustrate the Israeli connection to Judaism are not acceptable. I see you have been warring with other editors on this issue. I am afraid it is you who must demonstrate more sensitivity. As you see, I have added photos to round out the picture (including restoring the photo you added showing Nazareth at Christmas). When more sourced text is added, there will be room for more pictures. At the moment, with a section of 3 sentences about marriage in Israel, a mainstream Israeli bride better illustrates the topic. Best.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you're incorrect: As you could have found out in under 30 seconds, Tzofim is in fact an illegal settlement in West Bank, Palestine. Next time before you correct me, make sure you know at least what you talk about.

Also What's a "mainstream Israeli Bride"? How is Mizrahi Jewish culture not "mainstream"?

Solntsa90 (talk) 10:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing the edit, It appears I mistaken due to the way the subtitle was written underneath the photo, which to me gave the impression that it was scout ceremony in Tzofim (since the hyperlink itself led to the settlement of Tzofim, not the scout organization), Not the actual scouts. This was clearly a mistake on both of our parts.

Nope, I don't think the text hyperlinked afterall. The picture just didn't clarify whether it was simply a scout ceremony in Tzofim, or Tzofim, the scount ceremony, in an undisclosed location (which the picture caption says is in Tel Aviv). my apologies! Solntsa90 (talk) 10:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Solntsa90 (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Allow me to clarify: There may be a settlement by that name, but I had fixed the link to connect to the Scout movement page. The photo itself does not show any settlement - it shows a night activity in which kids build an "inscription" such as this one, and light it with a torch at a ceremony that is very much part of Israeli youth culture. It takes place at all Scout dens around the country, and has nothing to do with settlements. About the Yemenite bride - only a small percentage of brides wear this traditional costume and not at the wedding ceremony but at a pre-wedding party. Yemenite is not the same as "Mizrachi." I hope you will read up more about Israeli culture and then be in a better position to edit the article, which really does need more work. Best, --Geewhiz (talk) 10:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

But aren't Yemeni Jews not Mizrachi?

cheers,

Solntsa90 (talk) 10:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Absolut Vodka page on wikipedia

	No award
	Hello, please note that Absolut Blank #3 by Israeli artist Pilpeled is not part of the city series. This limited edition is already listed under the special bottles section. Also, it comes in 750ml, not 700ml. Please refrain from making edits that are incorrect, thanks. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thanks! Krejsbol (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. If you invested even a quarter of the effort it took to send me this non-award to add information that is reliably sourced, rather than writing articles based on your personal research, you would be doing Wikipedia a great service. Le'hayim.--Geewhiz (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Jewish Quarter (Jerusalem)

I think you've made a mistake (or rather, the author of the text you modified have made a mistake). The source says that the evictions occured after 1967: This reality is less difficult to hide today, since in the years after 1967 some 6,000 Arab Christians and Muslims have been evicted from this area of the Old City. Palestinians are precluded from living in the newly defined "Jewish Quarter" for the simple reason that they are not Jewish. This explicit restriction was contrived by the private company put in charge of "developing" and "reconstructing" the new "Jewish Quarter" after 1967. --Frederico1234 (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, the editor who added this text wrote "in the years leading up to 1967." Furthermore the article states that the Arab population of the quarter reached approximately 1,000, a figure that is cited to this same source, so where does the 6,000 come from? Clearly there is a problem here.--Geewhiz (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The 6,000 is from the source in question. I do not know where the 1,000 figure comes from. --Frederico1234 (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Regardless, its a problem you don't solve by blanking the paragraph in question, because it offends your partisan sensibilities. If there is a "problem here" as you put it, you don't blank a statement from a source like that. You re-write it, take it to the talk page, etc. Do you also mind telling me where you came up with This bit of original research, where you erroneously claimed without source that the Palestinians were evicted by "Jordanian authorities"? Even if you quickly reverted it, that's highly suspect.

Between your blanking of statements, POV-pushing, and now this, I am beginning to wonder: what your purpose here? Solntsa90 (talk) 00:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

If anyone was evicted from the Jewish Quarter before 1967, it was by the Jordanians, as they were occupied East Jerusalem at that time. If you bothered to read up on the subject, you would see that King Hussein evicted squatters from the Mughrabi quarter (which bordered on the Jewish quarter) in 1965 and transferred them to a refugee camp. I did not "quickly revert" anything. There are other people working on this page apart from me, and I suggest you exercise more caution before inserting half-baked material, throwing around accusations and imputing motives to other editors which could equally apply to you. This is especially true considering that you accused me falsely on the Jewish culture page just a few days ago and realized your mistake only after writing to others to libel me. --Geewhiz (talk) 03:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Medicinal mushrooms

Thanks for the interest in the page. I liked your edit and saw it in the news as well. However there are some issues. First, the study is not published yet. Also this is great research, but limited, as it is only in vivo. I believe if this is included it should be under the section "Cyathus striatus". Please write me back, and hopefully we can agree on a compromise. (Also, are you based in Israel? I am just curious after looking at your beautiful pictures.) Jatlas (talk) 18:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

58 synagogues

What a lot of rubbish. You don't have the least care if what you add to articles is true or not. Zero^talk 10:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

They were not all located in the JQ. Chesdovi (talk) 11:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

His source article doesn't even say that. I have a Highbeam account too, and I don't know if he was hiding behind it since it restricts non-members, but here is the article in question for people to see:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/02/29/from_the_ruins/?page=full

and it clearly states the following: "Kahn was invited to Jerusalem to discuss the rebuilding of the Hurva shortly after the Six-Day War of 1967, in which Israel captured the eastern part of Jerusalem from Jordan. The Jordanians had blown up the Hurva and 57 other synagogues in the area in `48, and Israelis were cut off from the Western Wall and the rest of East Jerusalem for nearly the next two decades."

"The area" being East Jerusalem, not the Jewish Quarter alone. See Gilabrand, that was the kind of POV-pushing and blatant dishonesty I was talking about.

Solntsa90 (talk) 03:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Al-Eizariya

Do you have a good reason as to why you blanked info that was properly cited in the article Al-Eizariya? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Eizariya&diff=556773257&oldid=556745511

this:

that produced figs, almonds, olives and carob has been confiscated or cut down by Israeli authorities, or has been absorbed into the expanding built-up area of Al-Eizariya.

and this:

 Real estate speculation and the opening of many bank branches briefly accompanied expectations that the Palestinian Authority would set up its seat of government in East Jerusalem.

Despite both being cited, you deleted both for no reason. That, and you made a revision to a picture where you changed the name from "Al-Eizariya" to "Bethany", despite being only an unofficial name (I wonder how you'd feel if we labeled pictures of Jerusalem with "Al-Quds"; at least there would be some legal precedent to do so in such an instance!)

Tell me, why did you omit this information?

Solntsa90 (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Solntsa90, please tone down your remarks to me. As you follow me around on Wikipedia to every article I touch, you have been consistently uncivil. Yet again you are misinterpreting and putting your own spin on things. Until now, much of the material in this article was sourced to a travel guide, which may be OK for some material, but certainly not for political status and land disputes that are in the courts. On the description page of the image, it says "Bethany," and several other photos in the article have that caption. I see there has been a request to merge the two pages. I personally do not give a fig what the place is called, all I am interested in is consistency, which is clearly lacking. On a general note, you seem to be a newcomer to Wikipedia. Perhaps you don't realize that articles are written by many editors, not one. I have as much right to edit the article as you do, and if you disagree with my edits, you can challenge them and make changes, as indeed you have done. My previous set of edits was only meant as a start. Meanwhile I have added a large chunk of missing history as well as material about political and land issues from more reliable sources. I hope this makes things clearer. Looking forward to your positive contributions. Best,--Geewhiz (talk) 05:48, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

The citations on Al-Eizariya did not come from a travel book. How am I suppose to Assume Good Faith when you say you delete things from travel books, when the source you deleted didn't come from a travel book? Do you see why someone might be suspicious of your intentions, when you justify deleting material from an article for no reason, vaguely mention "travel guides" which have no relevance to what you deleted, and then make misstatements about it? Solntsa90 (talk) 20:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

(P.S: as far as "following you around wikipedia", I don't do that, I just simply keep a look out for certain users who give me a reason to check their edits, and what do you know? the majority of my corrective edits stay.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solntsa90 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Asaf Romirowsky

Hi, I'm an WP:OTRS volunteer. Pursuant to an OTRS communication from Mr. Romirowsky, I have undid your revert as a possible violation of WP:BLP and WP:BURDEN. Please don't re-add "Israeli" without discussing on the talk page first (it's redundant anyway considering the rest of the article). For the same reason, I have also declined a request to describe him as "American" in the lead sentence. Removing the nationality was a compromise intended to satisfy all parties. ~Amatulić (talk) 11:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

First of all, every source cited here describes him as Israeli, with one exception - his PR bio. So the argument about BLP violation is nonsense. If you ask me, the whole article should be deleted. He may refuse to be called Israeli, but his only claim to fame is being Israeli and thus booted off some panel. Apart from that he is completely non-notable--Geewhiz (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC).

The sources don't explicitly say he's Israeli, but rather imply it by describing his military service. In that sense, it's WP:OR for Wikipedia to assert it outright. My examination of those sources was what convinced me to compromise between opposing assertions of nationality by eliminating the nationality altogether from the lead.

It is common for a person to be both American and Israeli. That's likely the case here, so it would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to choose only one.

Aside from that, I agree with you about notability. I wouldn't object to the article being proposed for deletion, but I suspect it would survive simply because of the coverage. If the coverage can be shown to apply to WP:ONEEVENT then that might be a valid deletion rationale. ~Amatulić (talk) 12:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Bulb to light all Ramat Gan

Hello Gilabrand. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Bulb to light all Ramat Gan to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Shaare Zedek Cemetery, Jerusalem

Hi, as you can see from the article, this cemetery, along with Sheikh Badr Cemetery, was established as a temporary cemetery in 1948, when access to Har HaZeisim was blocked. It is now classified as a "closed cemetery" and no more burials are approved there. There has been talk of building on the adjacent land formerly belonging to the original Shaare Zedek Hospital (overlooking Yitzhak Ben Zvi Blvd.), but this cemetery will likely be preserved, since the graves of the Dushinsky Rebbe, his son, the rosh yeshiva of Kol Torah, and Dr. Moshe Wallach are still here and the family doesn't want them moved. Last year, someone took steps to demarcate the cemetery grounds by erecting a perimeter fence with a coded lock (the code to open the gate is printed on a nearby sign). Best, Yoninah (talk) 12:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

Books and Bytes

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Talk:Eleazar Avaran#Naming conventions on WP for the Maccabees

Care to comment? Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 11:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:FORUM

You are engaging in foruming, please revert, article talk pages are not for nonsensical rants, even more so, ones offensive to human nature such as this one. Sepsis II (talk) 20:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

What is foruming? The comments of others are as valid as your own. Strange, but I see no "rant" on that page. All I see is you deleting a large section of "talk," which is what talk pages are for. --Geewhiz (talk) 21:07, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:FORUM as I linked to above; ignorance is not a valid excuse for disrupting editing. I have a feeling you would be able to identify a rant if it included statements on how Palestine has the right to annex parts of Israel or how Israel is a terrorist state. Sepsis II (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you have pegged me wrong. My work on Wikipedia consists of adding reliable, sourced information in good English to articles on a wide variety of subjects. I have never spent my time going through talk pages to delete comments left by others, while labeling them nonsensical rants, no matter what side of the political spectrum they are on.--Geewhiz (talk) 05:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Stop using WP:Forum as a stick to beat other users. My suggestion for an addition to Two State Solution, a locked article, was posted with a summary of a source representing an important POV (a POV acknowledged across most of the Israeli political spectrum, even including members the far-left Meretz party). First, you responded sarcastically and dismissively, so in order to answer your criticism, I was forced to explain that Israel and the Palestinians do not have equivalent prerogatives because the Palestinians have repeatedly lost militarily to Israel and since they show no signs of offering a serious challenge to the IDF within the foreseeable future. Therefore, as Israel is the side surrendering land to a weaker and historically hostile group, it would be a total abdication of the primary responsibility of a government if the security situation were to deteriorate as a results as a result of negotiations that ignored Israeli military concerns and then led to increased terrorism. The PA does not have any legitimate right to demand that Israel demilitarize, since it does not control territory that it plans to cede to Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.192.83.168 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Please see [2]. Sepsis II (talk) 22:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

In case you don't realise, this is an AE case against you. Zero^talk 04:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Cause of Yasser Arafat's death

Please see the talk page at Talk:Cause of Yasser Arafat's death#Bias. I know you like to take on tough issues, so maybe take on this one? Man katal (talk) 02:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Am I supposed to know you? Why are you asking me to do the work? This is a "free encyclopedia" that "anyone" can edit. Perhaps you should contact User: Sepsis II, who will surely agree to provide the "other side" of the story in keeping with Sandstein's new decree that anyone who edits a Wikipedia article is obligated to write for both sides.--Geewhiz (talk) 07:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)