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Llewelyn Lewellin

was also Jesus, Oxon. And surely some of these made it too - William Williams. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 12:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


LOL, not exactly. I just got a bit bogged down in the ship articles after doing the "Unique United States Navy transports" category, which included a whole pile of nightmarish ship articles like this. So I thought I'd give the ship articles a rest for a while.

Since then, I just happened to notice in my travels that there was no article on William G. James and wrote a quick article on him. But then I started to realize what a neglected area Australian composers and musicians are! Even the existing articles are mostly stubs or else pretty untidy. So I've done a couple of articles on composers I'm familiar with, and now I'll probably do at least a few more. I guess this is what they mean by "systemic bias" - there are obviously not too many wikipedians interested in classical music :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! That could prove very handy. In fact, it might have already. The Grove wouldn't have an entry on Dulcie Holland would it? I was unable to find her birth date from my available sources. Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess the Grove isn't quite as comprehensive as it purports to be! Never mind, I'm sure it will come in handy at some stage. Thanks for taking the trouble :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello! I just wanted to say "Thank You" for taking out the vulgar user name I reported earlier (I don't feel comfortable repeating it). I appreciate your work. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips=

sarindam7 (talk) 09:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Kennedy CFR

Nothing personal meant by the nom. I hope you didn't take it as a criticism. Otto4711 (talk) 09:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Albums produced by Kyle Lehning

Since you deleted this category as being empty, could you please get rid of Category:Albums produced by James Stroud and Category:Albums produced by Robert Ellis Orrall as well? Those CFDs have both been open more than 7 days and the categories are empty. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 11:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

These 3 are empty because TenPoundHammer emptied them (using Hotcat, so no explanatory edit summaries) on 4 June while the cfds were ongoing. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
That was per the suggestion of another editor on IRC. He suggested that since the categories were very unlikely to survive AfD that I might as well clear them out and save a step for an admin. Note also that neither Kyle Lehning nor James Stroud have pages. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 13:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted per consensus at each of those discussions. However, pre-emptive emptying of categories is not necessary and can in some circumstances be seen as highly inappropriate. Edit summaries are rarely an optional extra on Wikipedia anyway. BencherliteTalk 21:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry about the lack of edit summaries; I did use HotCat after all. The pre-emptive emptying was per suggestion of another editor, like I said. I'll be more careful about that. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 18:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

CFD suggestion

I see that you recently closed the CFD on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_May_16#African-American_categories and deleted a bunch of categories pursuant to consensus. However, you did not check the destination categories. At least three of these destinations already existed -- Category:African American actors, Category:African American history, and Category:African American singers, but they contained {{category redirect}} templates pointing them to the same title with a hyphen. You didn't remove these now-invalid redirects, so when RussBot did its regular weekly run today, it duly started emptying out these categories and moving all the contents back to the old, deleted titles. My suggestion is that, when deleting a category as part of a rename, you check the rename destination and make sure that it has the appropriate content. --Russ (talk) 10:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

defunct categories

Hi, thanks for deleting Cat:American Cajun fiddlers. There are a couple other categories I created and have now emptied (I was making genre-by-nationality categories, but found that given the articles currently available it really isn't necessary. I should have looked through them first, clearly- it's a bit embarrassing)... I was going to wait around a couple days and then go through the deletion board, but maybe you can just delete them? They are

Cool, thanks. There are a lot of fiddler stubs out there, so I was looking at the stubs sections of the Project - if you're looking for a not-exactly-the-same-as-categorizing-musicians project check out the alarming thing I found: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Stubs#Extant stub categories not in the list. — eitch 16:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Long overdue greetings

Bencherlite, just stopping by to say hi, it's been a while since you first greeted me and created the Wadham alumni user box for me! – ukexpat (talk) 16:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Ophélie Galliard

That was a stub article. Nice of you to inform me of the speedy delete at 3:58 AM only for me to find it deleted at 9:21 AM. :p. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 13:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Sweet. I'm doing concert tours by year as well. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 11:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Could you please delete this. I meant this to be a category and I can't move it. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 11:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting the vandalism from my talk page :) At least the IP's blocked now. Gail Wilson (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Bencherlite Personal Favoritism

Having posted on someone prominent in the history of Tacoma and Washington State with info under the US Public Domain I am annoyed at seeing it removed. Out of coriosity I looked at your contribution list and found that you have posted profiles on people who were even more obscure. It could be they have some local recognition in England or Wales and have more local than global prominence but I think them even more obscure in Britain than the person that I posted is in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond (talkcontribs) 17:26, 13 June 2008

I read your reply and you did not have an excuse for the choice of your contributions as the British Biographical Encyclopedias you mentioned are both tomes yet omits even famous Washintonians. It just shows your bias in favor of your fellow Britons. I respect your subjectivity those you have created articles on are important to you and people went to your school or who live in your part of Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond (talkcontribs) 20:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible return of Gozitancrabz

Hello Bencherlite, I thought I would drop you a note to say that there is a possibility that the sockpuppet Gozitancrabz has made a return. I made a sockpuppet report against Fonez4mii here. Gozitancrabz and Fonez4mii have all the hallmarks of being the same user. They both argue for the same thing in exactly the same manner, aggressively accusing anyone who disagrees with them of POV and trolling. Gozitancrabz argued his case on the Wales talk page while Fonez4mii argues the same case on the Scotland and UK talk page. If you have the time to have a look it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Jack forbes (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Jesus College, Oxford

We Jesubites seem to get everywhere! I'll have a look at the lists, although I should say my knowledge of the college's history isn't all that great. Rje (talk) 11:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted images

Hi! I've noticed that you have deleted the images Image:Peter.jpg and File:Dantschotter.jpg (using TW). How could I make sure that such images are not being deleted in the future? (Because I have permission from the webmaster to use them, and even the website says content can be used for non-commercial goals. Thanks for helping me out! Grtz Karma-AH (talk) 11:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the information! Karma-AH (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Another category

I made this. What do you think? Category:Video albums by artist

Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


It should be obvious why I changed the name though: "Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving the United Kingdom" is a pain in the arse to type out. Is this what you had put in to begin with? I was planning on shortening the other ones too.

Also, it's inaccurate. I'm putting cases under those categories that come from the old Commission. You don't want to have the title "Category:European Court (or Commission) of Human Rights cases involving the United Kingdom" do you? That would be even more or a pain in the arse, an even greater waste of time, and even stupider than debating about this! :) Wikidea 10:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way (if I've decoded that message up the top of the page correctly), congratulations! You must be very proud! Wikidea 10:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


Your closure deleted much of the discussion, please correct this. —SlamDiego←T 00:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for the correction and for the communication. I've had things go wrong myself, as a result of problems with client or with server. (Usually I'm not in a position to figure-out which.) —SlamDiego←T 00:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Category deletion

I am not sure how you came to the conclusion to delete. At most there was concensus to rename but not to delete. Now that the deletion is running through the company pages, to effect a rename is going to be even more difficult. I would like to try to get a little more of an explanation how you came to the conclusion to delete based on the discussion on that page. To go back now and re categorize those companies is going to be a major effort -- a very unfortunate decision. |► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I am going try to address the fundamental issue with a different named category. This is a very distinct category - an entire class of companies that are not just "privately held" but actually controlled by private equity firms. This is not an argument of other categories get away with it so I want to also, it is an argument that this is very analogous to valuable existing categories that describe the ownership of a company. What I think Vegaswikian failed to recognize was that if you had looked at the vast majority of the articles, there is referenced discussion of their ownership as it represents a major event for the company and not just some natural state through which most companies progress. For many of these companies, you could easily strip away half the categories without losing out any characteristics that actually define the company - whereas ownership by private equity often is a defining characteristic of the history and operation of the business. Aside from Vegaswikian who nominated and has no familiarity with the industry, I don't think most of the editors were really in favor of deletion but rather separation / renaming. Either way, it would have been helpful to consult as I am going to have to recategorize this by hand and there are much better uses of time.|► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 03:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Category: British Occupations

I would be grateful if you could explain how you came to the conclusion there was no consensus to delete when the comments were as follows:

Myself: Delete Narson: Delete Pfainuk: Delete Johnbod: Delete Berks911: Delete

DonaldDuck: Keep

Peterkingiron:Rename LapsedPacficist:Rename

Comments about the category being vague and ill-defined:

roundhouse0: Otto4711 Cgingold

One person, the originator, voting to keep the category, 5:1 voting to delete and 2 voting to rename - how is that no consensus to delete? Justin talk 07:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved discussion to the talk page of the catgeory. I will say in closing that I think this is a mistake, its only going to encourage an editor who disrupted those articles to make a point that he can game the system. Justin talk 09:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Your decision is your decision. I respect that you feel your were right, equally so I think you were mistaken and I hope you can respect that. I feel this category was created for the wrong reasons, it could have legitimate uses but not in its current form. Justin talk 22:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
If you feel that I was doing something underhand, that was not my intention and, in addition, if you feel slighted then I apologise. I hope that you realise that not informing you was not deliberate but rather due to ignorance of process. I'm more used to creating content than nominating it for deletion. Regards, Justin talk 23:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
No worries, I was trying to follow the steps but got halfway through and got distracted by a 3 year old who'd wet her bed. I note from your user page that you have all this to come ;-). Justin talk
Preferrable to one of my son's first words, which was "bugger". I managed successfully to convert to "bother" only for his paternal grandmother to convert it back. Word of warning - kids and grandparents are great conspirators. Justin talk 13:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


Noting the comment of another editor on that review, can this simply be renamed? I would withdraw the nomination if thats the case but the whole policy seems confusing and bewildering to me. Justin talk 11:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanx for the help. MyNameIsJasonBourne (talk) 06:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Mel Lawrenz

Why did you delete this article? The guy is the lead pastor of one of the largest churches in the world (10,000 members) and has written 8 books! I'd say that warrants a Wikipedia article. Please restore it ASAP. Manutdglory (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Thank you.

Manutdglory (talk) 08:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Napoleonic triple crown

It gives me great joy to award this Imperial triple crown for exceptional mainspace contributions on articles British and otherwise. Thank you very much for your generous time and diligence on behalf of the project. You are a monarch among editors. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Your Imperial Majesty, outstanding work! (we're getting there). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


Yes--thanks Bencherlite. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 17:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Geoffrey Hugo Lampe

Thanks for sourcing up that article! I found the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry on him but didn't have access to get into it myself! --Stormie (talk) 21:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Rough Consensus??

You recently closed the discussion around proposed renaming of Categories:Australians by ethnicity or national descent here .. concluding "The result of the discussion was: rename all"?

On my count the discussion was 6 for renaming, 2 against. This represented a 25% vote against renaming (including my own 'strong opposition' for the reasons given). It is hard to see how such a vote constitutes as Wikipedia:Consensus? Perhaps you can point me in the right direction to the relevant guideline of policy .. and/or outline what minimum percentage of opposition must be expressed before a nomination is judged to have failed to obtain consensus? ? Bruceanthro (talk) 13:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining and pointing me in the right direction:
  • I now see your decision was just one in a series of such decisions being systematically (?) made to rename x-booians to booians of x descent/; and
  • the required consensus is not just a matter of counting numbers of votes (though a real consensus is desirable), but also 'weigh' votes by their strength of arguement etc (ie bad faith, illogical, anti-policy etc votes 'weigh' next to nought .. and good arguement 'weigh' above a single vote)??
Please, I had a quick look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups to see if there was any discussion or policy agreement for such a noticeable and systematic series of nominations to rename x-booians to booians of x descent .. but could not find any such discussion of such a significant and potentially controversial series of renaming? Perhaps that project needs to be generally alerted to what is being done, a quick check made to see if it is generally agreeable etc.
Next, I was wondering, when you were deciding to rename series of x-Australians categories to Australians of x-descent categories;
  • if you were aware of and/or had regard to the clear ambivalence and differing opinions of Australian editors expressed [[(see here)
  • if the pre-existing x-Australian categories are now to be kept of delted ... noting my own concern/arguement that Australia does allow dual citizenship and there will be notable Australians (eg Rupert Murdoch) with dual citzenship who do not fall within the renamed Australians of x descent categories!? Bruceanthro (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

User: Hqonetonner

I notice you placed a "only warning" on this user's talk page for introducing an article that's now been deleted. He has now vandalised The Chronicles of Narnia but I'm loath to report them as without having knowledge of the reason for the original wanring I don't know whether this (relatively minor) bit of vandalism is worthy of a block. I'll leave it for you to decide as a) you're na admin and b) you have knowledge of what caused the original warning. Thanks. Dpmuk (talk) 23:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


Please read my response on the CFD and also look at commons:Category:User:Willscrlt as a rough idea of how I plan(ed) to extend the category here. Obviously the picture/media focus of Commons would not carry over here. Instead, I would be using it for keeping track of templates and other things that don't always fit nicely into the All Pages:Userspace search tool (which I actually already have included in my sidebar). If there's another way of doing it, that's great. If not, the policy should be amended. I certainly do see how it could grow out of hand, but it could also be a very useful tool. Like handguns, it could be used for good or bad. I'm probably tilting windmills to even think about getting a policy like that changed, and maybe there's a tool out there that makes the categories unnecessary here. I haven't found it yet. Thanks for reading. --Willscrlt (Talk) 17:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Velocity scene

Sorry about that, there were a spate of them around that time, you're absolutely correct.

Thanks for pulling me up on it, I'll make sure I sort it next time, it's not the first time I've put a G4 on a previously speedied article. BigHairRef | Talk 09:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I assumed it that was generally the case with the sysops but even so it dosen't help giving you extra work. BigHairRef | Talk 09:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Health And Safety Act 1974 deletion

Are you certain that the text in question was a copyright violation? I can't see the article, but be aware of, which I assume is public domain. It is possible the article will get deleted, but I'm not sure the early close was correct. Thanks, Hobit (talk) 17:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Blue Peter presenters

Hi, Bencherlite. I have carried out edits related to your comments left at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Blue Peter presenters. Thanks for taking the time to review. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 01:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


There is a mediation on the Wales page again (the old country issue) following another sock puppet incident on United Kingdom. I can't immediately find your complete list of authorities during the earlier incident. Is there any chance you could post the diff to the talk page? Fully understand if you do not have the time! --Snowded (talk) 21:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, I can fully understand taking it off the watch list ... --Snowded (talk) 21:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Help desk question

Thanks very much for your suggestion. By the way your list is extremely impressive. Something for mine to live up to I hope! Jamesmh2006 (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


First of all, Congratulationis.

Could you take a look at Henry Chadwick (theologian)? I've done quite a lot of work on it recently, and was half-thinnking of putting up for GA. Should be enough Oxford stuff for you to get your teeth into. David Underdown (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding deleted category

The recent CFD of the Polish-Americans category to Americans of Polish descent raises a question: what category is to be used for naturalized immigrants from Poland? The article Beata Pozniak is one that has been changed. She's a Polish actress who moved to the US in the 1990s and got her citizenship later. So it's incorrect to list her of being of Polish descent. She isn't of descent, she is Polish, just a naturalized citizen. Is there a more accurate category to be used here? Otherwise I'll need to remove the category from the article as misleading per WP:BLP. 23skidoo (talk) 03:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

  • That one will work, though I'd prefer more exact categories such as "Naturalized Polish-born citizens..." 23skidoo (talk) 17:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks, forgot someone had added that. Gwen Gale (talk) 07:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Pole becoming naturalised citizen of other country

This is exactly the category of person that I m not sure about. Mosts Poles are by default also a person of Polish descent as their parents are usually Polish, etc., but obviously there can be someone who is first generation Polish who becomes first generation American. My opinion is that Category:Immigrants should be gotten rid of and its contents merged into Category:Expatriates for immigrants who don t become citizens and Category:People with acquired citizenship, of which a main subcategory is Category:Naturalized citizens by nation. It usually is unknown whether someone is an immigrant and not a non immigrant expat, but is it quite commonly known whether someone has gained a second or replaced a first citizenship.

To be more specific about your query, if Category:Polish-Americans is to be merged into Category:Americans of Polish descent, then there should be a Category:Polish naturalized citizens of the United States started and used as a subcategory of and link between Category:Americans of Polish descent and Category:Naturalized citizens of the United States. The whole difficulty is that many Americans use 'Polish American' as a misnomer of sorts to mean an American of any amount of Polish ancestry, and not a Pole who has become an American citizen (which, from looking at the term, would appear to make more sense). This area of categorization, of ethnicity and its relation with citizenship, is still rather undeveloped on wikip Mayumashu (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it was merged, which is what you either said or implied - apologies (I was sure the vote was leaning to a keep, do not rename). At any rate, regards Mayumashu (talk) 21:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
A bit of an afterthought - I wonder if someone who is first gen. Polish and becomes a naturalized American is still an American of Polish descent? I don t have a problem personally with interpreting it as such but probably to be dissuaded from doing so rather easily, but maybe not. Mayumashu (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Brigham Young University alumni FLC

Thank you for your comments on the BYU alumni list FLC. I have responded to your suggestions. If you feel your concerns have been addressed, I would invite you to please offer a supporting vote on the list's behalf. Thank you! --Eustress (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thank-you

Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Full stops

Hey Bencherlite. Hmm, full stops, well... somewhere in the MOS it states that fragments of sentences don't take full stops. I'm non-plussed by most of it within the context of notes in a list - e.g. if you have two fragments, do you have a full stop after the first fragment and then nothing after the second? Looks a little odd. Anyway, my note was just to be consistent, either way. So, if someone is strongly objecting to you having full stops then remove them. Sorry if I've caused any confusion! The Rambling Man (talk) 06:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way, "Your Good And High-Exalted Self" is correct when referring to all tabs - continuing to do so will not harm your nominations! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Master of Arts

No problem - glad to help out. I'm not a Master of Arts fanatic or anything, I just found it on a disambiguation to-do list and decided to give it a shot. Let me give you a shout out though: making the link corrections is easy compared to putting all the content you did for the articles. Way to go! BTW - I'm almost done - so you're watch list should calm done within the next 1/2 hour or so. Enjoy! Keithh (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikipedia meetup in London

Wikimedia UK logo

Date: 13:00 onwards, Sunday 10 August 2008

Venue: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1 map

More information: Wikipedia:Meetup/London 12


I noticed that you have listed yourself as a Wikipedian in London, so I thought you might like to come to one of our monthly social meetups. The next one is going to be on Sunday 10 August, which might well be rather short notice, but if you can't come this time, we try to have one every second Sunday of the month.

If you haven't been before, these meetups are mainly casual social events for Wikipedia enthusiasts in which we chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy. It's a great way to meet some very keen Wikipedians, but we'd also love for you to come along if you're interested in finding out more about Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, or other collaborative wiki projects too.

The location is a pub that is quite quiet and family friendly on a Sunday lunchtime, so hopefully younger Wikipedians will also feel welcome and safe. Alcohol consumption is certainly not required!

Although the meetups are popular, many UK-based editors still don't know about them. It would be great to welcome some fresh faces, so I hope you can come along.


James F. (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Please forgive the slightly impersonal mass-invite!

Another list for Jesus College, Oxford

Thanks for your comments at the recent FLC for a JCO list. I've written another one, List of founding Fellows, Scholars and Commissioners of Jesus College, Oxford, which is at Peer Review here, if you get the opportunity to take a look, that would be fantastic. Regards, BencherliteTalk 23:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

There you of luck! --Eustress (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

New JCO list

Hi, and thanks for asking me to have a look at it, made an interesting read. I've made a very few very minor comments at the PR. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Images and congratulations

Hi Bencherlite. Just to let you know, in response to your request here, I've added Sunderland Magistrate's Court and County Court to the category. Also, belated congratulations on the "stub". Regards, Craigy (talk) 07:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK: List of founding Fellows, Scholars and Commissioners of Jesus College, Oxford

Updated DYK query On 13 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of founding Fellows, Scholars and Commissioners of Jesus College, Oxford, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:PipeOrgan needs you!

Hi everyone.

In case you haven't spotted it, Pipe organ is a featured article candidate. If any of you can lend a hand to address the concerns, the WikiProject PipeOrgan would be indebted to you. The article itself is in pretty good shape, there are some concerns about the referencing at the moment, so if you have any reliable sources that may be useful, please have a look at the article.

Many thanks, –MDCollins (talk) 00:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

List of former Football League clubs

Hey, just to let you know I've addressed your comments at the List of former Football League clubs FLC. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Alumni Oxonienses

Thanks, that's very useful. I know where I can find hard copies, at a pinch, but it's altogether better to have it there online. I've just found 1715-1886 here - do you know if 1500-1714 is online? Xn4 (talk) 21:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Saying Hi

It's been a while since I've been on, and trying to remember how to make a new section was fun... Anyways grats on the adminship, and I wish you happy wiki-ing in the future. I'll be more active in the next few months (I hope)

edit: oops i forgot to sign RedSkunktalk 02:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Notable cellist

why was the British cellist Michael kevin Jones deleted from the Wikipedia listings ? I tried to post an article about him at the same time as listing him on the notable cellists page and perhaps this should have been done first ? In any case he is indeed a 'notable' cellist and I request that the deletion be reconsidered . American record guide recently praised his magnificent tone and expansive phrasing and named him an irresistible figure and his recording of the Bach suites for the Metropolitan Museum of Art using a rare Stradivarius cello from 1667 have also recieved considerable praise. He is the cellist in the Jones Maruri cello guitar duo which is known throughout the world as can be verified by any internet search.

Cellomusicfan (talk) 22:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

reply..It was deleted because it was a copyright infringement of this page. Try writing it again without copying sources verbatim. Regards, BencherliteTalk 22:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I am very upset after having followed your advise . I wrote the article again on British cellist Michael Kevin Jones and the Jones Maruri duo using only genuine references and infomation and everything was removed without warning today . At least on the last attempt I was given 5 days to expand the article ! .. how can this lack of consequence and critearia be possible in Wikipedia ? please help me to restore these artists to your listings. Cellomusicfan (talk) 11:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

re: Boat club article

Looks pretty good, I've just added a couple to see also.

Perhaps the opening paragraph is a little too long? Also, the history seems to stop around 2002-04, perhaps a line or two on the last few years? I'm being fussy though, that's all I can pick up. Grunners (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Btw, happy to give you an independent copyedit before GA? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

A situation I don't know how to handle

Hello, I was referred to you by another editor. I seem to be in the middle of some odd edit war between User:KM*hearts*MC and an anon IP user. I would give you the IP address but it changes with every edit they make yet it is registered to the same company, Telekom Malaysia Berhad, which leads me to believe it is the same person on some sort of public terminal (library, school, etc.) or they are using proxies. The IP user seems to be upset b/c their edit was reverted by User:KM*hearts*MC several times (as well as other editors) and he/she will call the editor "dumb" or "stubborn" in his/her edit summaries. However, I agreed with KM's edit and I stated in my summary that if your edits are being constantly reverted then it should give you a clue that something is wrong. Well, this user has now taken the time to revert every edit I've made in the past two days (without an edit summary) and I can only believe that he/she is reverting KM's edits as well. I am not sure if this is grounds for blocking but although it is quite annoying, I feel this user will continue this act of "revenge". Any thoughts?. Thanks Dancefloor royalty (talk) 06:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hello! I just wanted to pass along my thanks for your support in my RfA from earlier this week. I hope I did not disappoint you. I am going on Wikibreak and I will let you know when or if I am back on the site -- I am trying to take time away to clear my thoughts and refocus on this and other priorities. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Spammy DYK update/housekeeping-type notice

HI (sorry 'bout the spammy note), DYK updates have been a bit slow and there's a bit of a shortage of admins actively involved. We are asking folks who listed themselves on Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins to update details on this page - User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins, so we can grade everyone's involvement (and who, knows, someone may want to get involved more :) ). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


...couldn't resist... Um, yeah, I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to look at it before you nominated it. I've somehow become embroiled in a plethora of little things which, when added together, becomes a big fat pain in the rump steak. So, I'll go look immediately. If I re-familiarise myself with GA criteria (I used to hang out there for a while instead of FLC) then I'll see if I can nick it and rate it for you. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You have comments. Nice job though, enjoyed it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Nice work. It's just been promoted to GA. Let me know if you do anything similar and need a copyedit/review/whatever.. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion

Hi, Bencherlite. Just a line to say I left a note for you regarding the above at Welsh wikipedians' notice board a week or two back and wondered if you'd seen it. Cofion, Enaidmawr (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


My name is on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Contacts as a contact for WP:WALES. I am very sporadic on WP at the moment and would feel someone else who is currently more involved should be the contact. What do you think? Agathoclea (talk) 09:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Adoption and General Advice

It's in a way ironic that you asked me a question and now you're an admin. I would like to ask if you would adopt me, as that would be a huge help to me with my editing. I often feel confused, and would like some assistance. If not, can you give me any general help? RedSkunktalk 01:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I have two major problems. I find it difficult to find articles where I can contribute. I also have trouble trying to cite resources; the guide just doesn't click for me. RedSkunktalk 14:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Bencherlite

Thank you for supporting my RfA nomination, Bencherlite. I appreciate the confidence. Cbl62 (talk) 06:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

CFDW listing format

Hi, I'm sending this message to past users of WP:CFDW. Now that I've rewritten Cydebot in Python, the door is open to make all sorts of changes to the listing format. Join the discussion here. I'd love to hear some comments from the most frequent users of CFDW on how best to improve it for humans. --Cyde Weys 03:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
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Hey there Bencherlite! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!
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Thanks for the fix. You'd think that someone who works with categories as much as I do wouldn't make that mistake... --Kbdank71 17:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Notable Rhodes Scholars

FYI, I have completed my reply at Talk:Notable Rhodes Scholars#Title of this page - should it include "notable"?. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, you made that look simple! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Edwin Stevens

Updated DYK query On 11 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edwin Stevens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

RyanCross (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Re Lloyd George

... but then he was a lying b******! Cheers, and congratulations on your FT. Johnbod (talk) 23:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Johnes

Hi Bencherlite, could I ask for your help with adding categories to this new article? BTW he is an alum of Jesus College, Oxford. Cheers. ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C) 05:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

So what in your opinion is the highest assessment the article(subject) could receive? I might also trouble you for on his estate. Mahalo plenty. ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C) 05:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for List of Honorary Fellows of Jesus College, Oxford

Updated DYK query On 14 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Honorary Fellows of Jesus College, Oxford, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Victuallers (talk) 20:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)