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Hello, Bencherlite, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: My favourite website

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!  Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


I had my eye on that vandal for a while. I've blocked them for 24 hours in the hope they come back with some valid edits next time around. Happy editing ;) -- Longhair\talk 10:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Make that an indefinite block. They aren't interested in anything more than playing games... Ignore them, and feel free to let me know if you have any further disruption. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 11:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

you must have deleted my article while i was talking about it thats why it didn´t follow the guidelines![edit]

8. Talk Page of pages that do not exist, unless they contain deletion discussion that isn't logged elsewhere. Subpages (including archive pages) are only deletable under this rule if the corresponding top-level page does not exist. Exceptions to this are user talk pages, the talk pages of images on Commons, and the talk pages of protected deleted pages.

So before I had finished talking you deleted my page to make it not fit in with your guidelines.

(InfinityOnHigh45 08:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

This still hasn´t explained why my page was deleted when i had contested the speedy deletion?


A quick thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. Cheers! •CHILLDOUBT• 13:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem - I was on my way to report the vandal to the administrators, but saw you had beaten me to it! Bencherlite 13:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thanks for your suggestion, I tend to try to personalize my notes to others regarding edits that do not belong on wikipedia, it allows me to better tell them which page they vandilized, but I may use these templates. BassxForte 20:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Question[edit]

Hi there - thought I'd pick your brains about this one. I reverted some vandalistic changes by two different anonymous users at People in quick succession, then went to leave warning messages at their talk pages. When I came to the second one, I found that you had left the warning there (unsigned, btw). I'm sure I've seen somewhere that the usual procedure is to let the reverting editor leave the warning, but I can't find that in a WP policy off-hand. Do you know whether there is such a policy? My experience (admittedly from only a few days of anti-vandalism fun) seem to suggest that that's how things are usually done, possibly because some people can do more things at once with their tools, but you may well know more than I do. (Just to be clear, I'm not bothered about missing out on leaving one warning - just wondered if there is a protocol for these things). TTFN Bencherlite 02:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to break this up
  • Thanks for your work
  • Thanks for noticing it was unsigned comment I make mistakes
  • I have slightly more experience than you but not much more. I normally fix up WP:AIR (Wiki Project Aircraft) and have checked recent changes on and off, but not really that much til' this week.
  • There isn't a policy I know of. There probably is one though. It might just be an essay. It is standard etiquette. A lot of people do whatever they can, but sometimes they cut you off. When I did that I got confused between Pop-Tarts and People. I tried to revert people but you already did. Then I fixed pop tarts. Then I hit back to go and fix up the people who messed up Pop-Tarts. Instead I left the message in People. So that's my fault. I know how it feels.
  • On a second thought it is procedure in WP:VANDALISM for only one person to do it. Read the vandalism procedure. It says what to do in order implying that once you fix vandalism it's yours to fix unless you need the help of an admin. (Which I'm definitely not} So you are right they imply it strongly but I don't thing they really wrote it directly anywhere. And yes: with tools you can do everything at once w/ just about 3 clicks. Believe me I have seen a video of the software before. Don't go around yelling at people saying that it is your right, but you can leave a message on their talk page and kindly say whatever you think is best. RedSkunk 03:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't get what you mean by "after leaving the above (d'oh!)" Anyways I'm sure I've found another Wikifriend! See you around. BTW you have more edits than I do RedSkunk 03:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I see how that can happen. It's happened to me on other things. And now I what you meant! RedSkunk 03:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
You should apply for VandalProof. It could speed up your edits. RedSkunk 03:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the save. I JUST copied (I asked ShakingSpirit if I could) the layout. You are probably the first to bother to click there. That saved me a good deal of embarrasement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redskunk (talkcontribs) 03:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism to my User Page[edit]

I didn't even notice. Thanks for the heads up. Would that be 1 or 2 vandalism. Anyways, how did you know. RedSkunk 19:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of this?[edit]

Because of this new vandalism I felt like putting a new userbox on my page. This is what I have so far. Any input? RedSkunk 20:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

How's that. I count myself as british, not scottish. I just went to university there. RedSkunk

Sorry for wasting the time but I think I won't use it, but you never know!?!? RedSkunk 20:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It's hard for me to use babel. I've lost a lot of my (British) accent. :( I picked up some scottish accent and some American accent. Essentially I sound REALLY weird. Do you know a userbox like "This user has a very very strange accent" or an "undistinguishable" accent. Do you know if there is one? RedSkunk 20:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tottenham Hotspur Food Poisoning Scandal 2005/06[edit]

I followed the advice given on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion page, although I gave up after 10 minutes of trying to get the templates displaying correctly. After reading the guide again, I realised I confused "discussion page" for "talk page". Anyway, thanks for sorting the templates out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JameiLei (talkcontribs) 22:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

(This article is uncategorized.)[edit]

Dear i need to know what is code of this tage that you used in artilce(Willie Waldman).Khalidkhoso 02:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.BTW you can use Userboxtop|Userboxes,Boxboxbottom on your user page.It will look much better.Caio Khalidkhoso 02:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Lol,:P.I bet. Khalidkhoso 02:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


I was just about to get that on Owl when I looked at the history and saw last 2 edits from him i figured I only undid one of them. Thanks again.--Xiahou 03:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

And thanks from me for the fine edit of the troublesome first sentence in the Wolf Larson article. I was blanking on how to fix it. I Still might change the word "stationed." That word is usually associated with military personnel, and it seems his dad was really a university prof or something like that. Actually, the entire article needs work. The writer goes overboard with using Mr. Larson's first name to start almost every sentence. I'll work on it someday. Best to you. Sir Rhosis 05:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Ghaith bilbeisi[edit]

Why did you nominate User:Ghaith bilbeisi for speedy deletion. It is a user page and it don't have to be Notable. Rettetast 18:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I saw that you removed the warning. Nice. Rettetast 18:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
No need for apologies. Everybody does mistakes. You admit it you did and that is the important thing. Have a fantastic day. Rettetast 18:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from User:Bader_isu[edit]

Hi, I just read your comments on my first wikipedia article and I'll get it done asap. This is actually an assignment I have for a technical writing class but I'm actually getting to enjoy being a wikipedian! Thanks for the welcome note and I really appreciate your help:) I'll make sure to come here and spam you with questions if I get lost:)
Bader isu 22:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


I've added you to the list, you should now be able to run the program. If you have questions, feel free to ask me. —— Eagle101 Need help? 21:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

If there are any problems with NPW, or other stuff related to it, please drop a line on my talk page ;-). Also, feel free to add to your page the NPW userbox. Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 10:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


Many thanks for reverting the vandalism on the megaherb page. Given its title, I'm surprised at how little vandalism it has received ... All the best Jasper33 12:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


What is NPwatcher? Saw it and took a look. And you almost have 1000 edits! RedSkunktalk 19:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I really should take that barnstar off. I after asking permission took a layout from someone else's page. I had to explain after I figured it out. Oh well it will end up being in archive in a while. I have a new layout on the way :) RedSkunktalk 15:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Of course, sorry for the mix up. Your edit sure wasn't vandalism, but it did look like it. Good work vandal fighting. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 21:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers mate. I really could go for some "kick-ass apple blossoms" right now. See you around, Dfrg.msc 21:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


I've seen that you've been reverting a lot of vandalism! I haven't been on much due to the fact that I've been working on Korean wikipedia, because I just got a korean keyboard. Is NPwatcher like vandalproof vandalsniper etc... Thanks 신 P. S. You probably ought to archive using some code. I have a layout that I really like, but you can do it however you want. If you want to use my layout just ask me and I'll give it to you.RedSkunktalk 16:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You can make it invisible if you want! Anyways I got in a conflict with some guy that had a real hot head. Look on by talk page if you want. I'm trying to make a new userpage. If you have any input that would be good. I'm also under Editor Review so it would be good if you could take a look. Best Regards RedSkunktalk 23:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. I gave him a level one warning saying he needed to source it and he got really mad. It was minor and I should've just commented and not put the warning template so I got rid of it and gave him a purple heart before he starts going around vandalizing the user page. His edits were in good faith, but were misguided. RedSkunktalk 23:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


Barnstar of Reversion2.png The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For your continuous and fast removal of vandalism - keep up the good work! symode09 23:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome[edit]

Impressed to see so many of the titles above are "thankyou" If you are writing to say thanks to Bencherlite then let me tell you "he thanks others" ... you're welcome Victuallers 00:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, in that case happy birthday and enjoy your present!

symode09 00:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Idris Foster[edit]

No problem. It was nice to see that the article had been created. I take it you're a Jesus man? Deb 15:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. Just ask if you want a sig :) I've been around and have seen more. (I think) though you have reverted more vandalism and done more cleanup. I've just started at looking at WP:DEAD. I've cleaned up a few pages there. I accidentally got involved in some really hot stuff for Wiki Project Aircraft that I didn't want to. (See talk page) Now I've got an angry person/IP adress after me and I don't know if they're the same or not. It's suspicious... And Do you have advice for my user page (SORRY) just want to know. I need to do something to distract me until I can regain my bearings. Your exasperated wikifriend. RedSkunktalk 23:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey, I was wondering if there is anyway to look up categories that already exist... like an index of all the categories out there that have been created by others. I've been trying to categorize my article and the only way that I was able to do so, was to look at articles about similar topics and seeing if I can fit mine into one of their categories. This has worked to some degree but I thought I'd be better if I can put it in all/most of the right categories out there and perhaps do the same to other articles. I've cheked the wikipedia article on categories and couldn't find such a thing except a list of recently created categories. Thanks for your help, Bader isu 21:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


I responded with: Sorry for the misunderstanding! :) It's just that I've been told many times to tell the user that I didn't want you to fall into the same thing. Acalamari 21:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:PipeOrgan related links[edit]

Thanks for adding all those articles! I was thinking about the de-linking you did on the unrelated article, and whether if they showed up on the 'recent changes' tool we could keep track on any organ related information that appears by people not finding the correct link. You may be right though and as long as the disambig links are clear enough, this should happen, or would be noticed by editors of that page.

On another note, I have suggested that we hold of linking the organists in Category:Organists until we can categorize them properly - it seems a bit of a mess. It will be easier to edit and note the links in one go rather than having to go through every organist two or three times. I have started a discussion on the project talk page so we can all agree first.

Best, MDCollins (talk) 10:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you asked whether Dudley Buck was a cathedral organist or not. I have probably been going against my own rules, but have used discretion in cases like this and included organists of large-ish/ or many parish churches in this category as well, not just for cathedrals. I know this might create problems, but save another Category:Church organists it kind of seemed logical! MDCollins (talk) 11:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Questions particularly to Bencherlite and Mdcollins[edit]

You two wrote me some positive comments following some editing I did last week on the Wiki article "Hendrik Niehoff" As you may have discovered, I do not know very much about carrying out helpful upgrades to the Wiki website, so I ask you for help.

Since the previous Niehoff update, I have done considerably more updating. For example, in the meantime I've added a digital photo I took of the great organ Niehoff built for the Johanniskirche in Lüneburg. I took that photo, there is no copyrite problem. But I would like to go further and add a group of photos showing more of Niehoff's work to that webpage. These will come from scans from several books, none of which to my knowledge are copyrighted. I do NOT want to invade the co pyrites, so I ask you to tell me what the limits are - how you can be sure the books are not protected at this time.

The one book is Maarten Albert Vente's "Die Brabanter Orgel" that was last published in 1963 and has no notice of a copyrite when published and Dr. Vente (a very close friend of mine) died in 1989. There are several good photos there from which I have prepared decent scans.

The other book is Jan van Biezen's "Het Nederlandse Orgel in de Renaissance en de Barok, in het Bijzonder de School van Jan van Covelens" that was published in 1995 with ISBN 90-6375-154-0 geb. Again, I do not see notice that this is copyrighted - unless I simply do not understand the Dutch. I have no means of contact with Heer van Biezen to enable discussion on this with him, and I do not want to do anything against the extremely valuable publication he has provided to us. Does anyone have information that will say how far I dare go by adding digital scans for this book to the Niehoff website.

Thank any of you for whatever information you can give me on these matters. IF the results you send are positive, I will glad to continue providing information I have on organ history and construction to the Wikipedia website.

John Brombaugh, retired organbuilder: <-- write to me directly here to make a better connection.

(for more information on my background, go to )

I too have replied, with much the same response (also pointing out Wikipedia:Autobiography). –MDCollins (talk) 08:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Response back to Bencherlite and Mdcollins[edit]

RE back to: Copyright question - reply from Mdcollins and Bencherlite copied in the next indented paragraphs:

Sadly, I suspect that the answer is that the photos in the book are protected by Dutch copyright law, even if there's not actually a copyright indication in the book, since the book was published too recently for it to be in the public domain. There's a page at Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ which might help explain WP's approach to copyright issues. Question 1 is "Can I add something to Wikipedia that I got from somewhere else? and the answer is "In general, no. Most of the content people want to add is copyrighted, although some work has been made available by authors under an appropriate license (see below), and some work is in the public domain (see below). The absence of a copyright notice does not mean that a work may be freely used."
We will have to see if we can find some public domain photographs through the project - failing that, time to go on holiday and take our cameras!
I didn't reply by email as I prefer not to use my main (work) email for WP purposes, and I so rarely use my home email that it would be a pain to start to use it again for WP only! I'll leave a copy of this message on Mdcollins' page too. Best wishes, Bencherlite 01:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that, even though I am unsure about copyrighting, that Bencherlite is sadly right - as far as I know, book covers are ok, for referring to that book only, but for images contained within, I'd be very surprised if it was allowed.
Also, although John Brombaugh is well written and potentially a very good article, I'd advise you to read Wikipedia:Autobiography just to bring to your attention some concerns people may have. –MDCollins (talk) 08:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the above information. As you see, I don't know really how the Wikipedia works nor really the best way to respond back to either of you. I guess you guys are about the only ones reading this unless others want to come check your user pages.

Anyway, from what I see, I think it is best that we return both the Niehoff and JB articles back to what they were so there is no question about ethics or copyrights. This is one reason why you see so little in the regular organ magazines on my work because to get it in there requires that one toot ones own horn; I'd prefer to let history do that instead. The single reason why I was interested in making the alterations to both articles is because I know how difficult the historical surveys like Vente and van Biezen do to bring us more accurate information: they can no longer talk with the people they are writing about, so they don't necessarily have very reliable information. But history can worry about that. I'll remove the photo of the Lüneburg organ and make other changes as much as possible so both articles are as much like I saw them about two weeks ago - except that I'll remove the information about myself that was in the Niehoff article written by someone else. I like the idea that you do all this with your camera to avoid the many problems you've pointed out. (I will carry out my part in making those reverse changes in the next day or so.)

Kind regards, Jborgans 21:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Copies sent to MDCollins's talk page and Bencherlite's talk page


Thank you for notifying me of this, which is the latest of a seemingly endless stream of abusive and libellous sockpuppets attacking me across scores of Wikipedia pages. See the list at [[1]] RolandR 13:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to cartoon show pages[edit]

Hi, you and I both noticed vandalism on pages such as List of Squirrel Boy episodes. Please help me with specific instructions as to reporting the vandal. I don't understand how a warning on the talk page of an IP address will do anything--no one ever reads it?! Do I also have to notify an admin of the warning? Also, please provide a sample of text or a place where I can cut & paste the warnings, or any advice for quickly & easily dealing with problems such as this. Thanks a bunch. Bawtyshouse 12:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Harp cats[edit]

Kudos on working on the harp cats. Thankfully the harp isn't as popular as the guitar so we don't have to worry about pages and pages of names in the main categories. Although I would say her training was classical (I think she studied some Salzedo stuff as well) LeBaron resides in the "new/avant-garde music" world, and is thus hard to categorize, as her work is ostensibly contemporary classical but she also plays rock with a distortion pedal (and slide!) as well as free improvised music. She probably also does some jazz, though I'm not sure whether she does any straight-ahead stuff (soloing over changes, etc.) the way other better known jazz harpists do. And she's influenced by world musics such as Korean kayagum music. So which category she should go in? Unlike most harpists, who specialize in a genre such as Celtic or classical, I think LeBaron is primarily concerned with her own compositions (as well as the work she does with her improvisation ensemble), and as such is quite an eclectic musician. Badagnani 12:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I just read the Harpo Marx article. Fascinating. I suppose he played mostly in a classical style as I don't remember him doing ragtime, blues, or anything of the sort. I don't understand why the strings would have broken if he had tuned it up properly; in fact, I don't understand the whole bit about how he had mistuned it. If he tuned it up a few steps to the proper pitch I don't see how that would have thrown him off. By the way, Andreas Vollenweider doesn't have any type of harp cat, and I have no idea how that happened. He could be a bit hard to classify as well. Badagnani 12:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Organ Project[edit]

Will do. BTW, as for Vox Humana being a soft stop, you should hear my mother's recording of César Franck's Fantaisie in A - the Vox Humana dominates whenever the pedal reed (an Ophicleide on 15-inch wind) doesn't! --Vox Humana 8' 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there[edit]

With the category of Venezuelan musicians,i´m tryng to make it easier, not that complicated. Thats my oppinion, we can discuss it, because we are interesting to make of wikipedia the best website in the world.


Caracas 2000 00:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks friend[edit]

Thanks for all the information, day by day i learn something, thanks for all, i´m tryng to do my best

Caracas 2000 01:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


I agree with you in that subject, but don´t eliminated the tag of venezuelan musicians to the harpists and classical musicians, because this is the principal category, for all the venezuelan that make music.


I'm a newbie seeking adoption; since my interests seem similar to yours (music, law) I thought I'd put in a personal request. CA387 05:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject University of Oxford[edit]

WikiProject University of Oklahoma

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the University of Oxford. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Casper Gutman 15:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! It's good to have such a prolific wikipedia contributor on board. I think an early objective of the project should be the improvement of the main University page to at least Good Article standard, as I'd be willing to bet it gets read as often as several dozen of the other project pages put together! However, I've not had any experience of the Good Article nomination process so I thought nominating a few of the college pages might be an easier way to start and useful experience. I have a personal interest in the Jesus article (and recently put it up for peer review), but I think it's only one of several college articles that could easily be WP:GA candidates.
I think it would be useful to identify a shortlist of a few articles that are close to meeting the criteria. I suppose ideally they should be high on the project's importance rating scale too. Any personal favourites? Casper Gutman 21:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Plaid Cymru[edit]

This article is still the subject of much controversy. If you could find time to look at it and perhaps make a contribution to the debate, it would be appreciated. Deb 14:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

List of Cellists[edit]

And the time I put into that. Oh well, better knowing late than never.. The rationale I had behind adding all cellists to Category:Cellists:

  • Dynamic list of all cellists. This way, all cellists on Wikipedia are guaranteed to be on the list, as long as they're correctly tagged.
  • Easy sorting. This way, one could access a cellist through the category by name or nationality.

Is there any way I could do this with the categories page and not have redundant tagging? Or, editing List of cellists with a script of some sort to be dynamic?

Last, thanks for the adoption. :) --CA387 08:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back, then. Don't worry about going MIA—it gave me an excuse to finish my term paper rather than blow more time on WP. ;) You say you work as a lawyer? Anyway, after thinking about the category guidelines for WP:MUSICIANS, they seem rather inefficient: the only way I could see not adding musicians to their parent category as sensible would be if Wikipedia automatically listed members of all subcategories. And as far as a page with all Americans listed, what about Category:Living people? Goes to show you how the category thing is superior to list pages. Not to mention the fact that the list pages themselves can't even conform to a standard, as some are by date (oboists, violinists), others by alphabetical order (List of cellists). Or problem of, say, an ethnically Scottish violinist that lives in London. What I propose is hierarchy somewhat like this, in which a member would be added into a specific category and all parent categories:
  • Musicians
    • Musicians by genre
    • Musicians by nationality
    • Musicians by instrument
      • (Specific Instrumentalist)s
        • SIs by nationality
        • SIs by genre
        • SIs by profession
          • SI teachers
          • SI performers
            • SI soloists
            • SI orchestral players
            • SI band members
            • SI chamber musicians
Thoughts, before I add it to the Project discussion?
I also did come across WP:AWB during my recent WP travels, and drooled a bit. And most of those unlabeled edits are, in fact, due to negligence on my part, so thanks for the tip—and don't worry about "unsolicited advice". That's what I'm here for. :) --CA387 20:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Repetitive edit[edit]

I have just posted my thoughts to the item's discussion page, they are:

I have removed the repetitive entry from every single day; however I see that I am not the first, nor I suspect the last to do this.

My objection is not the fact that the daily (I will accept as a matter of good faith that it was in fact daily) use of rocketry is being noted but the way of its inclusion. Some days, for instance July 28, already have a record of the rocketry included in the narrative; by giving details and even citation for that days rocketry the entry for the day has considerably more believability.

I will drop the same on the users page for to let s/he have a suggestion of a way forward. --Drappel 17:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Kate Westbrook[edit]

Please forgive me if this is wrong place to do this but I am unsure of how to get your attention:

You have for the second time "corrected" the Chanson Irresponsable title on Kate Westbrook's page to Irresponsible and I have now corrected it a second time as we entered the correct spelling of this piece which I explained in my edit. I would be grateful if you would leave it as it is because that is the correct spelling for this piece of music.

Thanks Chris —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chris53 (talkcontribs) 15 April 2007, 20:28.

(Message moved from archivelist talk page to my main talk page) Apology and explanation left on your talk page. Bencherlite 20:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I guessed that it might have been automatically done by what you were using. Thanks too for your help regarding how to reply. This is quite new to me and all help is most welcome.Chris53 16/04/07

Thanks for the message and welcome on my talk page. I am sorry if my original message read as a little bad tempered. I wrote it in a hurry and it doesn't read quite how I would like. Thank you for your help. Chris53 16:12, 16/04/07 (UTC)

Category for conversion template[edit]

If you look at Template:Cfc, you will see that I already created the template. Go ahead and give it a try. I left instructions at WP:CFD. Dr. Submillimeter 16:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


I noticed that you like to contribute to Anglesey articles. If you look at my user page you will see I have created a fair number of them. However I can only get to Anglesey twice a year or so so a lot of them are not that great. If could take a look at them and expand that would be great! Cls14 10:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added a bit to Plas Newydd, just stuff I have been able to glean off the net. Cls14 11:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The villages that need looking at are Brynrefail (though I doubt there is anything there to add!) and the ones that used to be stations for the Anglesey Central Railway. Cls14 11:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
What are your Anglesey connections then? Cls14 11:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I was not aware of that. Thanks! Cls14 17:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I did notice. Cheers. Cls14 18:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

welcoming User:Provinos[edit]

Yea, sorry my bad. Thanks for informing me anyway :)--Nighthawkzx 04:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


I appreciate your catching the missing colon in my sandbox. I'm familiar with the concept and am usually quite careful. Funny thing is, I thought I had caught the problem myself. I must have missed something. --Vbd (talk) 05:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


Yes, I had just worked that out. How wild. Interested to see that templeton might merge with Green. Are there any real references to that? I can only find blogs referencing each other! --Duncan 19:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

User Box Assistance[edit]

Thanks for your message. I have been looking at user boxes for Oxford colleges. I think that Wadham, my alma mater has user box for current students but not one for alumni. I am not sure how to create one. Any ideas? Thanks!--ukexpat 20:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the great work on the Wadham alumnus UB, much appreciated!!--ukexpat 21:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Still Alive?[edit]

Just checking in. Haven't heard from you in a while. --CA387 18:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hah, okay then. Good to see you're not lying in a ditch somewhere. --CA387 18:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the well thought out, informative reply. It's nice to finally know how to use footnotes correctly. Recently, I've been doing a bit of cleanup the past few days on Aldo Parisot, including working in citing sources. The one thing I still don't understand, however, is the exact difference between "References" and "Footnotes". Are they just two names for the same section? Also, is "External Links" just a vehicle for developing an article, eventually to be integrated into the in-line cites? Thanks again. --CA387 23:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again; that did it for me. I highly doubt that I should be the one giving you lessons, though. :P However, I did notice that you didn't mention the Harvard referencing templates at WP:CITET, which I used for Parisot—I'd really recommend you add it to your subpage project, I can see how it'd be helpful for other newbies. They aren't necessary, but they sure make citing a heck of a lot easier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CA387 (talkcontribs) 05:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Music Library[edit]

OK, this is a bit far from the scope of Wikipedia, but I was wondering how I'd go about getting this accomplished. It's occurred to me that classical music could probably be placed for free on Wikisource—though I'm unsure how to do it. I could probably scan music, but that would void copyright violations. And using a program like Finale to make images would prevent people without the software from contributing to the score library. Any idea on how to make a template for the job? --CA387 17:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be the first in line to admit I'm a difficult adoptee. ;) Interesting database, though. Perhaps a template that links a bunch of images together, where one could specify the time, clef, note, and pitch values? Just a thought—though I have no idea where I'd start. On a side note (no pun intended), if you could explain guidelines for referencing using the <ref> template in layman's terms, it would be greatly appreciated. I haven't been able to find the time to sift through the myriad policy pages and decode all the jargon. Thanks! --CA387 09:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Update: Okay, I think I've been able to kindasorta figure out how to use the <ref> template. However, could you please explain the difference between "References", "Footnotes", and "External Links"? Are references just things used for the article that people have been too lazy to do footnotes for, and external links just things people haven't managed to work into the article yet? Thanks. --CA387 07:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me for hijacking his topic, but are you talking about putting music on Source? I've thought about this for a while, but it seems to me that IMSLP already does a good job at this, and it is a Wiki. ALTON .ıl 03:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the advice[edit]

Hey Bencherlite -- you're right, I am new around here! Just diving in. Thanks for the advice -- most of my blunders are for wont of knowing how to do it better. Can't undo changes right now, so thanks for the help (final exams for the next few days), but I'll look into it mid-week and check in with the proper channels to generate a proper discussion. Thanks!! Fred 02:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

(for what it's worth, Category:opera oratorios had 3 entries and Categories:Handel's Messiah had 3, two of which (namely Handel and Messiah) were obvious and the other one ("Scratch Messiah") is a stub that's linked from Messiah Fred 02:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

diesel locomotive preseravtion group[edit]

How can you help, it was fully deserved, I should have read the rules properly

Llamafish 20:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


I did see your message, and I've now responded to it. I just chose to respond to the other first, and you caught me between messages. I would like to wait for some other opinions on the 'cheat sheet,' as well as look around in project space to see if I can find such a thing, since I seem to recall one already existing somewhere. --Sopoforic 15:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Adoption stuff[edit]

Actually, User:Matthew Yeager has already contacted all the people on the waiting list, see his and my talk pages for the full story. I actually contacted an admin while this was going on. Another user told me that this user is a very enthusiastic, but well intentioned person so I left some advice about going slow and working with others which I see you have also reinforced. I am in GMT-8 (US West coast), and just now got your message, hopefully he has backed off and not now contacted everyone on the adopters list, which was his intention. I'll be on WP pretty regularly today, doing some gardening but checking in. --killing sparrows (chirp!) 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Messge received and understood (9 adoptees?!) Anyway, all is ticking along now, and a few more days of discussion won't hurt (and then I'll conveniently be on a 2 week enforced wiki-break in Michigan, unable to help draft anything!!!) A few more people are joining in the conversation, so it won't just be you looking after things... I think your idea of separate usertalk pages for your adoptees is a fantastic one, and something that should be recommended! Bencherlite 16:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. I did offer to take a few off his hands if he gets overwhelmed but I have other stuff going on also. The ideas you put on the talk page are good, I'll respond there later.--killing sparrows (chirp!) 16:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Penmon photos[edit]

St Seiriol's Church

Bore da! - Looking at the layout of the whole article and the position of the photos in it they seem squeezed into the right hand side. And there is a big white space at the top. It might look better to have the church photo at the top next to the intro paragraph (which could be a little longer even if it repeats something from later on), then alternate the other photos to the left and right side as their paragraphs come up like I've done here. This first paragraph has the picture to the left...

The smaller cross

And now this paragraph about the cross has its picture to the right. I hope this helps; the article is well researched and lots of subjects for such a small place and the pictures are good, clear (maybe the tunnel one is a little blurred but that could be my eyes!), and colourful. They help the article a lot but could be even better if spread out! (Have you got a photo of the whole village? That might be a good one to have at the top then specific photos later on with the text) --Cynnydd 07:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for the offer. I am having trouble finding an adoptee, so I will take you up on it. I would be willing to take one or two of his adoptees off of his hands. Karrmann 10:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Juilliard School of Music alumni[edit]

Hi, you're right, the tag is wrong. This is the first CfD I've ever closed so something was bound to go wrong. Thanks for letting me know, Mallanox 23:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear the two of you don't bear a grudge. Amazing how these things get out of hand sometimes. I hope you have a good holiday. Mallanox 23:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Adopt-a-User Program[edit]

Hey there, I was wondering if we should send a message to all the folks listed as adopters and let them know that we are looking for input on the program. I looked at the program page and talk page history and see that there are several people who have been involved in the past that haven't weighed in on the ideas we've floated. I don't want to bypass anyone who has an interest and possible input. Just something simple that let's them know there is some new activity. Something like...

Hi there,

The Adopt-a-User program is looking for new ideas and input on the program. If you are still interested please stop by the talk page and read some of the ideas being floated and give a comment. If you want to update or change your information on the adopter's list page, now would be a great time! Thanks!

I was also wondering if the new 'requesting adoption' template would have had any effect by now. Does it autosub itself for the old one on user's pages? Also will the current 'category, users requesting adoption' page stay and a new one sorted by date appear or will the dated one just replace it? Thanks!--killing sparrows (chirp!) 00:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and have a wonderful vacation!--killing sparrows (chirp!) 00:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

copyright infridgement[edit]

I know that I don't "own" the page. But his action is pissing me off. He blatantly copies everything I make and just use it as his work. Wikipedia should have a new rule to prevent user from copying people's work. Chris 01:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Chris 01:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

NB: We do, in fact, retain copyright on everything we post to Wikipedia. Of course, what you said about licensing under the GFDL still applies, but you don't want to spread any misinformation about copyrights. Have a nice wikibreak. --Sopoforic 16:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Penmon, Anglesey[edit]

Wow! Thanks; that's great! Yes, it does seem to be getting near the time where good article status would be appropriate (or at least they'd tell us where we had to improve it). Thankyou for your contributions, references and pictures. -- Casmith_789 (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I've decided to be bold and nominate the article for Good Article status, under locations. Thankyou again for your contributions! -- Casmith_789 (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Oxford university people categories[edit]

I shall post this on the general Oxford Project page, but since you had taken an interest in the Regent's Park College categories I thought you might have the inclination and expertise to deal with it.

It keeps coming to my attention that there are a number of categories that aren't quite right. First, Christ Church has a category "Fellows of Christ Church, Oxford". I think this should be replaced with two categories, "Students of Christ Church, Oxford" and "Canons of Christ Church, Oxford". Secondly, I am wondering about Heads of Houses. They seem to be put in the category, "Fellows of X College, Oxford", but are they Fellows? The Warden of All Souls is definitely not a Fellow. I don't think that the other Heads of Houses are Fellows of their colleges. Shall we have forty-seven new categories, "Warden of All Souls College, Oxford", "Masters of Balliol College, Oxford", etc? Perhaps there could be a general category, "Heads of Houses in the University of Oxford". Thirdly, Lecturers (etc). Is it worth having categories for members of college staff who do not hold a fellowship? One argument against the idea is that Lecturer (or similar) is usually a position held by somebody quite junior, while people who have an article about them are probably important enough to have a fellowship. On the other hand, it might be nice to have a way of recording the junior posts that somebody held on the way up to the top; e.g. Anthony Kenny, sometime Lecturer of Exeter and Trinity Colleges. Finally, is it worth distinguishing between Fellows and Honorary Fellows?--Oxonian2006 23:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Heads of Houses template[edit]

How's this?

--Oxonian2006 00:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Category: Handel's Messiah[edit]

WP:CM has been on a drive recently to standardise and reorganise our categories, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music and the bottom. Various editors have been cleaning up categories and that's what I did with Handel's Messiah. And per our drive, this category would have been emptied anyway.

Maybe I should have put it up for WP:CSD but there's been a lot of activity on the Category front that this article seemed to me so obviously redundant that I emptied it. Sorry if that caused any problems. Centy 19:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

So is it OK if I tag it with {{db-catempty}}? Centy 19:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Christ Church[edit]

Thanks for giving your comments on my suggestions, and I'm pleased you like the Heads of Houses template. I think you are probably right in saying that Heads of Houses can go in the same category as Fellows and the Lecturers etc do not need to be included. Possibly we could have categories "Members of X College, Oxford SCR", but probably most people would favour sticking with what we have already.

As for Christ Church, I think accuracy is more important than consistency. To extend the point, we would not want to have categories called "American MPs", "Members of the French House of Commons", or "Members of the Canadian House of Lords" - or for that matter "British Senators". I.e. just because 38 other colleges and seven PPHs have Fellows it is no reason to inaccurately call Students of Christ Church Fellows too.

I think Canons of Christ Church do need to have a category. While members of cathedral chapters are not categorised, members of governing bodies of Oxford colleges are categorised. Canons of Christ Church enjoy a status similar to that of Students of Christ Church and Fellows of other colleges. Further, four of the university's top academics (the Regius Professors of Divinity, Ecclesiastical History, and Moral and Pastoral Theology, and the Lady Margaret Professor of Divinity) are canons of Christ Church. It seems necessary for them to have a college affiliation in their categories, especially in the case of a non-Oxonian appointment such as the current Regius Prof of Divinity. Marilyn McCord Adams does not currently have any category pertaining to Oxford. She cannot be called a "Fellow of Christ Church, Oxford" because she is not one: she is a Canon. I propose replacing the category "Fellows of Christ Church, Oxford" with "Canons and Students of Christ Church, Oxford".

The category called "Academics of the University of Oxford" serves a purpose for those academics who are known to have been at Oxford but whose affiliation to a college is not known.--Oxonian2006 22:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Aus pianists by genre[edit]

Restored category and self-reverted - apologies for the confusion and thanks for letting me know. It did seem redundant due to only containing the one subcategory, I admit I wasn't aware of the consensus elsewhere. Orderinchaos 00:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back![edit]

I missed you before you left, so I figured I'd leave a post before you got back on Wikipedia. Hope you had a nice vacation! --CA387 15:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Glad you had a good trip, interestingly enough I was visiting family in Toronto myself last weekend! I'm afraid I haven't had the time to go all-out with my usual vandalism, so I've had to resort to cluttering Wikipedia with a useless stub or two. I'm out of school for the semester, so I suppose I should stop making excuses about lackluster contributions. ;)
As far as questions to pester you with, I don't think there's anything too pressing, though I suppose some education on image uploading would come in handy. I've run into situations where I've found a picture of a person or a product that would help enhance their/its article, but haven't because I'm not too sure of the possible copyright violations. --CA387 04:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Update: did this too. --CA387 16:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

John Williams - category duplication[edit]

Hello! In the page John Williams (guitarist), I believe that including a link to Category:Classical Guitarists would be a good thing.

The reason is that Category:Classical Guitarists should list all "classical guitarists be name", while Category:English classical guitarists should list only "English Classical guitarists". (Clearly "Category:English classical guitarists" is a subset of "Category:Classical Guitarists" but the two are not the same. In particular: -> )

Category:Classical Guitarists allows one to see all classical guitarists at once, instead of having to propagate through the various nationality-categories in order to find a specific classical guitarist (consider the possibility of someone who has forgotten a "guitarist's name" but will recognize the name on seeing it.)

Note that there was once a category called Category:Classical guitarists by name, which was removed, since those entries should be moved to Category:Classical Guitarists. See the deletion log:

If you still have doubts, tell me how you would go about finding a classical guitarist (lets say "Boris Gaquere"), of whom you happen to remember only the first name ("Boris"). You might check out Category:Russian_classical_guitarists, but that would not help since "Boris Gaquere" is listed under (surprise!) Category:Belgian_classical_guitarists You would have to propagate all "Nationality Categories" until you hit the Belgian one... To avoid this, all classical guitarists should be listed under Category:Classical guitarists, by name.

Of course, "wikipedia" is not "my wikipedia". I would think it best if Category:Classical guitarists by name were restored, but it was deleted and I'm not going to be the one to restore it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlonsoAlfons (talkcontribs) 09:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Intermediate categorization (re: musicians by nationality and instrument)[edit]

I couldn't decide which project at which to reply. However, this is a slightly different issue.

I've now seen more than one editor opine opposition to such "intermediate" category structures, in which some categories exist solely to hold other categories at a certain hierarchical level. If this is going to be a trend, it might be appropriate to open a discussion regarding all such category structures across the project (assuming it occurs elsewhere, of course). –Unint 23:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Since you're not aware, this is where I found out about it, in the debate where "fictional characters by nationality, by medium" were eliminated. See where Radiant refers to the frequent talks "to cut unnecessary middle layers" (I do not know where those other discussions are, however). –Unint 23:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

David L Cook Article[edit]

Bencherlite, I appreciate you wanting to edit articles, however, please do me a favor and go to the talk pages and ask about an issue before just deleting something off of a page. I think that the cat that was used on David's page shoudl stay as he is an alumni of that school. But more than that I am not in agreement with removing notable alumni off of the Juilliard page. They are a part of that school history and deserve to be listed on that page. That is just my input. But please, go to the talk pages before removing stuff from on of these article. I would certainly appreciate it as I have put a lot of hard work into making sure my articles are kept within the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanx Junebug52 03:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


It makes great sense to me, but I'm not sure how much I will be able to help at the moment. I'll drop by when I can. Hope you had a good break! Johnbod 01:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

What about Itzhak Perlman, alumnus & faculty - does he go in both? Johnbod 01:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok I see he does - I'm sure he was in people a second ago! I'll get out from under your feet Johnbod 01:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Great work! On the further categorization, I'm certainly not against it. I don't know enough about the school to know how clear the split between drama & dance is - presumably the actors get dance training also. If it is clear, & you can face the work, I would go ahead. I won't be able to help much, I'm afraid.

See Edie Adams, btw - this could be just a slip. Johnbod 14:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes - it may have been loosely used by someone who thought the whole setup is called that. Johnbod 15:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Welsh SSSIs[edit]

Hi. You're right, that page does need a printed source. I don't know of one but CCW should be able to help. I've fixed the broken link on the SSSI page. Cheers SP-KP 17:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Janice Avery[edit]

It's ok, I probably would have considered deleting it too if I wasn't familiar with that book. A lot of people here write articles about movie, book and TV and video game characters. It's good to check the What Links Here for an article to try to determine the context. x Academic Challenger 00:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I deleted that article Icky Face and blocked that account because, in addition to the really bad content in that article, he had an inappropriate username. I'm going to go patrol Newpages now. Academic Challenger 00:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

That attempt at supporting the article was pretty pathetic compared to some that I've seen. I deleted it, and apparently this user Aroth92 created his own nonsense articlewh ich is just as bad. I'll be watching him, but I don't think I can block yet. Academic Challenger 00:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold[edit]

Penmon, Anglesey's review has been placed on hold. Thanks. Epbr123 18:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Congratulations Bencherlite - and thanks for the messages on my talk page. As a side note Epbr123 is a good critiquing reviewer - which further strengthens any GA Pass awarded. Glad that I could help with the initial and a smaller subsequent review. So now what's next?--VS talk 21:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that is good news, and anywhere you choose - I'm game! -- Casmith_789 (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Penmon, Anglesey[edit]

My apologies as I seem to have missed your question regarding Penmon, Anglesey until now. I would suggest that you renominate it (when you do) back at the GA page first. I say this because I am away for the next couple of days and someone else might review it for you before I get back. However if you nominate it and let me know then Sunday evening or Monday morning I will see your message and if no-one else has grabbed it for assessment I will do it for you - so let me know here as soon as you renominate. Cheers.--VS talk 10:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I've made a few minor formatting changes, but when you think the article's ready, feel free to nominate it again. Thanks for your quick work on improving the points set out after it failed WP:GA?. -- Casmith_789 (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Diolch am y neges ar fy nhudalen sgwrs (cy.wikipedia)/ Thanks for the message. Of course you are welcome to use the image. I've already made a comment on the Penmon talk page about the problem of defining Penmon; something which I think still needs sorting out. It's a geographical area (basically the headland) and a parish: it is definitely NOT a village. The population stats are very misleading too. Penmon parish is part of Llangoed Community, but definitely as the minor partner - and yet Penmon's population=Llangoed's in the info box. If Llangoed's about 1200 I'd reckon Penmon about 300 (tops), divided over a comparatively wide area between farms and settlements, all miniscule. Most of the article is about Penmon Priory which seems to be equated in it with "Penmon" itself. I'll take another look when I've got time but I spend most of my time on the wicipedia Cymraeg as I feel my contributions are more needed there. Hwyl, Enaidmawr 19:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC) (my "alter ego")

Only 600 years? Could have been worse! By the way, feel free to upload and use the image anyway you like. There's no problem as I'm the author and have released the rights. Just tried rewording and expanding the intro to the article slightly too. Is it acceptable to change the population figure in the info box to an estimate? I reckon about 300 but have no authority; 1275 is way too high and misleading as it stands. Hwyl, Enaidmawr 00:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: DYK[edit]

Thanks for dropping by. Glad my June talk page is not longer a blank slate ;-) While you were leaving the note on my talk page, User:Majorly updated the DYK — so it's done. — ERcheck (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


Did you have any stubs/redlinks in mind particularly that I can help with? I'm a bit unsure of what you mean by the nineteen red categories.

Also, thanks for your help with the Felix Salmond article. I originally had mistyped the birth date as 1899, and then rearranged the chronology to suit it! Carelessness with the "accompanist" thing as well: I didn't register that there was a piano trio on the program, so I just assumed there were some show pieces that the sources didn't tell me about. As far as the Musical Times obituary, the full text is thus:

Felix Salmond, English cellist, on 20 February in New York aged sixty-three. He gave the first performance of Elgar's cello concerto at Queen's Hall on 27 October 1919. He went to America in 1922, first to the Curtis Institute in Philadelphia and then to the Master Institute of United Arts in New York where he took charge of the chamber music. At the time of his death he was professor of cello and chamber music at the Juilliard School of Music. Salmond made his debut in London in 1909, and became one of the Chamber-Music Players with Albert Sammons, Lionel Tertis, and William Murdoch. He visited London in 1947 and at a recital which he gave with Franz Osborn he played all five of Beethoven's cello sonatas.

As for the barnstar, thanks! :D! However, I don't think I should have all the fun, and I thought you deserved this:

A Barnstar!
The Adopt-a-User Barnstar

I, CA387, award the Adopt-a-User Barnstar to Bencherlite for his helpfulness and vigilant "nit-picking" as a part of the adopt-a-user program.

Best, CA387 00:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Update: I believe I neglected to answer the answer regarding "cellobop"—it says on the Gideon Freudmann page (whom I assume you were referring to), that he coined the term himself, making it a neologism and not a real genre. Recently, it seems like it's become rather popular to cudgel people to death with various neologisms involving cellos. Searching for the article also led me to Cello rock, an article comprised of mostly original research which I've nominated for deletion. --CA387 02:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I just made a counterpropsal to your drop-the-by-genre-cats proposal at WP:MUSCAT, and I think you'll really like it. Of course, that's just a guess, so let me know. Cheers, Xtifr tälk 09:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

last "Natives of" categories[edit]

Pursuant to your mass nomination, I threw the last redirects on the fire. Please go to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion for details.--Mike Selinker 16:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It's destructive[edit]

He's probably biased against rock music. I wouldn't attempt to eliminate the "piano trio" article, for example, so that's the difference between that editor and me. Badagnani 19:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:AAU Proposal[edit]

Feel free—I'd be honored. Any chance of seeing it on your user page anytime soon? :) --CA387 19:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Go for it then. As far as the AfD goes, it's probably better off that you didn't vote—I know I ran into a rather nasty case of edit warring with admins on my talk page over WP:CANVASS a few weeks ago. Some guy picked up my name at a denied WP:RPP request, and set about rather mildly soliciting comments on his proposed policy changes—not asking for votes or anything, mind you. As far as the guy on the AfD goes, I suppose it's better people get their pent-up frustration out over a deleted article than picking up a gun and killing someone. And at least he said "please", right? ;)
The nineteen red categories I was a bit baffled over was in regard to a previous comment you left on my talk page. Best, CA387 20:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the fact that the three-and-a-half pages is on Category:Japanese sea vegetables just makes it all the better for me. Cheers, CA387 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Once in a while, I'll come across various articles and such that would be very useful for sources on Wikipedia articles, but I'm too lazy to add them to the article. Instead of just forgetting about them, would it be appropriate to create a subpage on the article's talk page for the links, maybe even complete with the {{cite}} template? --CA387 02:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Adoption request[edit]

--Goldiesmoon 08:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Hi I am looking to be adopted, i have many interests and i have been having a wonderful time traveling around Wikipedia but i sure could use someone with experience and knowledge of how things are done around here. I live in the USA but i am a night owl so I think the time difference should be O.K. with us. If You are still available as a Guide I sure would appreciate some help. Nice Chatting with You. From California aka --Goldiesmoon 08:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldiesmoon (talkcontribs)

DYK (6 June)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 6 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Guto Puw, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Laïka 16:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Marisa Robles[edit]

Hi Bencherlite and thanks for the note on Marisa Robles. My thoughts in making the change from Spanish classical harpists to Classical harpists was that there seemed to be too few Spanish classical harpists (currently 2 including Robles) for there to be such a specific category. I'm happy leaving the current changes as is, but thought I'd share with you my thoughts. EmmaPelfry 00:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured Articles, Threatened Graduation[edit]

Gosh, make one tiny little WP:MOS slip up and you're suddenly an incompetent adopter? Or are you trying to lighten your workload for more sinister reasons?

Kidding aside, I'm really delighted that you think my work so far merits graduation from WP:AAU. I think I'll really have to go with option number two, however; I don't think I'll be ready to complete my Wikidoption journey until I've written a Featured Article. What time frame that'll be under, I'm not quite too sure—I'll be departing for Paris in a bit less than two weeks, where I'll be honing my cellistic skills until 1 September.

Unless that featured article happens to be cello rock! I'll take graduation, thank you very much.

Some questions, then:

  • What's the proper time and place for using quotations in articles? There are obviously quite a few quotation templates, but I rarely see them used.
  • Also, so far I've been citing sources generally after every paragraph, unless there's a fact from a different source in the middle (though sometimes I'll just get lazy and end the paragraph with all sources used for it). In the latter case, I do something[1] like[2] this.[1]
    However, I can see this running into problems in much longer articles. If using books as sources, I can easily follow the same method by citing individual pages—but for webpages, I can see myself running out of letters!

I've also (obviously) noticed you've managed to dig up a new adoptee for yourself. Since she's quite a ways away, I'd be more than happy to help out and answer some of her simpler questions if you'd like. Yours, CA387 01:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


you said i dindnt source in my penbrook article, then how do i source? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Novanut35 (talkcontribs) 12:49, 8 June 2007.


Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 8 June, 2007, a fact from the article Felix Salmond, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Smee 07:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


Well, gosh, looks like you've gone ahead and graduated me anyway. I owe you thanks for your work on the article which helped get it to Did You Know, as well for your guidance—which really helped me a lot more than you think it did (I question the legality of the image, though. On one hand, it's an old photograph, but on the other hand it's a photograph of the photograph. In either case, I doubt David Sanders would mind).

Also, thanks for the sources; I'm sure they'll be very beneficial. I hope to keep seeing your posts on my talk page. Best, CA387 15:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

List of University of Oxford people[edit]

I'd like to suggest that in the article List of University of Oxford people we replace sections of text in italics with text in small. I have done this to lawyers and to VC and GC winners. It will be quite a task to do it for the whole page so I thought I'd suggest that members of WikiProject University of Oxford (and other willing volunteers) do a bit each. However, not being very technically minded, I can't work out how to post a message for project participants to read: if I click "Leave a message" it goes to a page that was deleted. Perhaps you'd like to tell me how to leave a message where people will actually read it!--Oxonian2006 20:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Guto Puw[edit]

I read through some of the Guto Puw article and made a few minor changes—mostly fixing a few typos and changing passive sentences to active ones. Just looking through the article, I'd like to see a bit more context in relation to Puw's in the "Music" section; right now it seems more along the lines of a listing of pieces followed by a description and critical reception. I think it would be quite a bit more gripping (especially to the non-musically inclined reader) if this part was tied in with Puw's personal life a bit more. Though a photo isn't required, maybe you can obtain one through a fair use rationale, or through WP:COPYREQ?

I hope this helps a bit with its journey to becoming a Good Article. Best of luck! You've certainly put a lot of great work into it. --CA387 00:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Update Congratulations! I just saw the talk page. Looks like I posted a bit too late. --CA387 01:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


This is my song:

I want to be adopted - I'm feeling a bit lonely.

I love the nice Wiki thing

It is so brilliant

La-la-la-la-la-la-la Hosanna in the Highest.

(To be song to the tune of 'Ding Dong, Merrily on High!)

Christine118500 14:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adopting me. Please can you teach me about wiki, as I have had previous accounts and havn't always done good on them. I want to turn my back on that, and graduate from wiki. Christine118500 10:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Oxford people[edit]

Thanks for doing that. It's a huge improvement and not a task I imagine anybody else was going to be in a hurry to do!--Oxonian2006 10:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

kay rala gusmao[edit]

Ok, I'm sorry. Please can you teach me though, I would love that. Ta, Christine118500 16:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought you may like this. I have already signed up.

Gnomes, unite!
German garden gnome.jpg Hello, Bencherlite! You are invited to participate in Gnome Week, a mass article cleanup drive between June 21 and June 28, 2007.
This week, backlogs will be cleared. Articles will be polished. Typos will be fixed. Bad prose will be edited. Unreferenced articles will be sourced. No article will be safe from our reach! The more people who participate, the better Wikipedia will become as a result.
I would love it if you would participate! - Christine118500
Edit message

Primates of Italy[edit]

Thank you for your comments and your support. These primate categories are truly insane. I also like some of the ones with names that span my entire web browser (such as Category:Primates of the Jerusalem Greek Orthodox Patriarchate and Epitropia of the Holy Sepulcher in America and Category:Primates of the Catholicosate Patriarchate of Babylon of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East). Dr. Submillimeter 21:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


I'm very sorry that i have been imature. am pleased you gave me my first lesson yesterday, and think you are a nice kindA guy. Please don't think of me as immature, I am just a bit silly sometimes. However, I don't like social networking, and I do take this encyclopedia seriously. Please can you watch some of my work, as I will be monitoring new pages. Thanks for being my tutor. Oh, please can you send me through some stuff on politics. I am really interested in right wing politics, so please may you send me some stuff on the Likud Part of Israel, as I am doing a project on Israeli politics, as they have a new president now (Shimon Peres). Thanks, Christine118500 08:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Show and hide[edit]


Just thought I'd point out that your show/hide doesn't quite work - the headers appear 'on top'/through of any 'shown' boxes obscuring the first few boxes.

MDCollins (talk) 10:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

(replied on your talk page)

It's fine on my display, but I'd be grateful if anyone else visiting this page could take a look to see if this is a widespread problem. Thanks. Bencherlite 10:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Had another look, its fine in IE, but not in Firefox or Safari... –MDCollins (talk) 11:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Reverted for now, will play with it another time. Bencherlite 11:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


Okay, i will. Mr. Lite, please can you teach me because I really want to graduate and then stand to be elected as an Admin. Thanks, sir. Christine118500 12:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it certainly seems you've got your work cut out for you—in addition to Gnome week, that is. I've been quite wikibonked lately, so I've resorted to slapping mostly unnecessary content into already existing articles during the time that I'm not staring blankly at the screen. If you've any mundane tasks to do, or need someone to proofread new articles of yours, I'm all ears. Chances are I'll be spending too much time on here and staying up all night packing before I leave Tuesday, anyway. Best, CA387 06:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


You are right and I was wrong. I was uncivil and immature. Please can you stop nagging me all the time though, and actually teach me, cos if not, I will just ask to be adopted by someone who sticks to their word and doesn't always stay on my back. As for saying that I was 'showing off,' I merely wanted people to see that I had added positively to it. If you don't like me being good and actually working, then i might as well quit now, as I don't want to be in a community where trolls and sock puppets are given attention, and good people are just occasionally given a nice comment. Please don't take this the wrong way, being an 'mature' wikipedian, but I think you should be a bit nicer and actually TEACh me, for goodness' sake. I'm really bored on Wiki, and actually have ambitions. SOme people just want to go along at a slow pace, but I want to see the hights. I want the wafty odes, the musky odours. Sure, some of the blue noses may cluck their tounges, stroke their beards, and say, 'What is to be done with this Christine118500?' I need to be good, and get elected to Admin eventually, and I will never EVER stop working hard and will create as many accounts to get into a good WikiJob. I have had to struggle so hard on this Wiki under previous accounts, and even though the spineless editors will now block me for this controversial letter, I will carry on. I WILL get administatorship, and I will get powerful. Christine118500 16:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

see your adoptee's talk page[edit]

I added this comment. [[2]] You may wish to discuss this matter with your adoptee. It is nice of you to help. I adopted someone in the past. VK35 17:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I have not researched the topic well enough so my opinion may change if I do. I think there is a lack of consensus of returning after being indefinitely blocked. There are some administrators who have noted that one may come back if one edits constructively. Other adminstrators insist that returning is block evasion and must be severely punished even if the new edits are completely constructive. I think there is consensus that returning editors who do not edit constructively are not to return. VK35 17:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for that list of projects you gave me. However, I am afraid I am about to be banned from Wiki. I admit that I used to be a sock puppeteer, and I am now in deep regret about that, as it spoils my hopes of getting a career on Wiki. I really want to be good, but have been shown up as a former WikiCriminal. However, when I am blocked, please can you do these things for me:

1. Try to make it so I am only blocked temporarily, and they set an expiring date. 2. Please remember me and welcome me back when I come back. 3. This may not be possible, but can you at least try to have me unblocked for Gnome Week, as this is something I am very keen to take part in. 4. This is a definate. PLEASE can you ask them to not strip my user page of all my user boxes, but just add a 'This user has been blocked temporarily' icon at the top.

Remember me, and please stay my adopter. I hope when I come through all this, I can do good work, and leave my evil past behind me. I will not create any more accounts, so I will use this one. Thank you for coping with me for the last few weeks, I will missyou while I am blocked.

Yours faithfully, Christine118500 07:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

thank you so much for that help. I am really pleased you are helpingme, and I will now do that President Bush stuff. Christine118500 09:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)



Caracas 2000 13:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Fresh Prince[edit]

I didn't realize I wasn't logged in when I tried to revert the fresh prince page. I logged in when I noticed I hadn't gone back far enough (there was still an unfortunate modification under "Starring"). I think I got it all this time and the 'edit this page' tab isn't available when logged out. I think this should do it. If I've made another mistake, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent Conundrum (talkcontribs) 00:11, 18 June 2007


Hi! I am enjoying the wiki, and am backing User: Yannin the upcoming board elections. Who are you backing? I really want to endorse Yann but I can't cos I'm too young. Maybe you could for me? PLEASE? I really like him. Christine118500 13:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Cheers for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. Much appreciated. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 17:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked editor[edit]

Yeah, If I were betting, I'd place a rather large wager that is the individual I blocked. The individual in question has edited under a number of accounts that I blocked for various reasons... I could go into specifics but it really isn't that important. Technically a blocked editor is not supposed to create a new account, they are supposed to request an unblock with their main account and wait to be unblocked (and it should be mentioned that this individual did that and the requests were denied). I'm willing to look the other way though... WP:IAR. It wouldn't be the first time I've noticed someone who has been blocked editing under a different account and let it go. Usually they end up getting blocked again, but that isn't a reason to deny this person a chance at reforming. The stuff I blocked the accounts for wasn't the sort of thing I would WP:DENY over at this point anyway. The fact that he asked to be adopted is encouraging at least.--Isotope23 00:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

LOL, I've always wanted to play "bad cop" :).--Isotope23 00:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the Barnstar. Peace. Spartan-James 00:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

New section[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Elizabeth Báthory, was not constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. SuperTycoon 20:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

(Reply left on SuperTycoon's talk page) No, I removed the vandalism this was my edit - you put it back in your edit. Please be more careful with your reverts and your warnings. Regards, Bencherlite 20:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

RE:Sanchom's Rfa[edit]

So thats what happened in the edit conflict! Not to worry; it was a simple mistake of mine that must have occured during a certain edit conflict that occured while I was posting my optional question. Please accept my apologies, and feel free to put back all the content I removed. Regards, and sorry, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk -- (dated 10:44, 21 June 2007 UTC)

Ok then. I hope everything is cleared up. And good job, by the way, for helping Sanchom with his RFA page! Best wishes, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk -- (dated 10:52, 21 June 2007 UTC)


Thank you for your support. I look forward to my time on the wiki. I am trying to teach myself but how do i graduate? Christine118500 17:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Sonata on the 94th Psalm[edit]

Hello. I've just written this article on the sonata by Julius Reubke. I found you through the project: Pipe Organ. Do you have this piece of music in your repertoire? I wonder if you would consider making a recording that we could put on the page? It would be an excellent addition to Wikipedia and make the article complete. Thanks for considering. I have also contacted a few others who listed that they were a good organist, who were listed on the pipe organ project page, so if someone notifies me that they are able to do it, I will let you know. Thanks. Clavecin 12:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

RE:Various Brazilian guitar categories - some questions![edit]

Thank you for your questions. I will address each question below.

  1. Brazilian classical guitarists would be referring to nationality, unless I see something wrong there. There is nothing I have encountered called Brazilian classical music as far as a genre goes. That was my rationale. I see why it was included, by the way, but it is bound to lead toward serious confusion for some. I propose Category:Classical guitarists from Brazil to clear up possible confusion.
  2. This was a mistake I am glad you caught. I have been adding a lot of new categories and am trying my best to sort them all efficiently, but I'll likely make mistakes sometimes. Thanks for finding that.
  3. Brazilian jazz is a genre, and if it is intended for Brazilian nationals who perform jazz (myriads of mediums, mind you) a category should be created for that, ie. Category:Jazz musicians from Brazil. I did not intended for the result my edit had on Category:Brazilian guitarists by genre, however. I hope I have answered all of your questions reasonably. (Mind meal 20:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC))
  • Yes, I saw most of your points in advance which is why I started the discussion and have pretty much stopped tooling with that particular category. However, I will say that though there is certainly consensus on how musicians by nationality are to be named, surely we must do something about genres that share that exact same namesake. It may all sound like greek, but it isn't! (Mind meal 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC))


A coloured voting box.svg Thank you for your support and comments at my RfA
Hi Bencherlite, It still amazes me that otherwise "anonymous" editors take the time to place !votes and comments on RfAs. Whilst I would have normally thanked you at the time of you leaving your message, the importance of my not appearing to be canvassing prevented me from so doing. Now that everything has progressed successfully I can finally thank you. I intend to uphold a style of good adminship and will welcome your further comments at any time in the future, even if they are in the form of admonishment. I will be happy to help as an admin wherever and whenever I can --VS talk 22:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


Than you for pointing that out and wishing me luck. I hope it will go through! I'll go ahead and fix the typos. Karrmann 17:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Smooth jazz musicians[edit]

Ah that would be wonderful, as that is all I wanted to achieve. I just didn't know the proper way how to do so. That would be awesome. (Mind meal 18:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC))

  • Excellent job. I am in your debt for doing that, and I signed up per your suggestion. I may have future questions on how to use the bot, but I will read that whole page before ever daring to use it. (Mind meal 19:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC))
  • Thanks again, that was a bang up job. Category:Smooth jazz PERFECT. I hate the genre, but am glad to see everything coming together. Btw, is using AWB fairly straightforward, or does it require tons of knowledge? (Mind meal 20:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC))


Well, it turns out they have electricity here in Europe! After coming down with a bit of a cold, I decided to give back into my little addiction and edit some more. Hopefully I won't be spending too much time here, though. --CA387 20:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hah, I'll certainly try. Luckily it won't be too hard; the computer I'm borrowing was recently reported stolen from a nearby antiques museum. --CA387 21:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Category renaming[edit]

I already know that, "Natives of" became "People from" and any article that I created with Natives of in which it was waited to be changed to People from. Pumpie 23:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't changed it because I was waiting for some user to change to a common form. All new articles on persons will be for one example Category:People from Achaea and Category:People from Thessaly and so on. Pumpie 23:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I created that category and no, I wanted for only one category someone to change it since it was listed for six pages, where is that bot to change to People from from Natives to. And remember, the next category I create that is on people will be only Category:People from and not Category:Natives of. Okay. Pumpie 23:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Oh thanks for the tip, I'm always learning and appreciate people who guide me! Thanks again, I'll remember that --♫Twinkler4♫ (Talk to me!) 01:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Max Boyce[edit]

Thanks heaps for the assessment, suggestions and encouragement with the Max Boyce article! Very little there that I hadn't expected, which confirms that I'm on the right track with this - I felt that I'd prefer to have parts cut back, rather than risk the suggestion that I should go off and find some extra details. I'll do as you've suggested, and open the article up for further review. Thanks again! Rob Lindsey 09:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Smaug123 Adoption barnstar[edit]

Oops! I couldn't find an adoption barnstar anywhere! I don't know how I could possibly have missed that! Thanks for telling me! Should I take my barnstar off AAU? Smaug123 11:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandal socks[edit]

Blocked the sleepers as obvious socks, thanks for letting me know. (By the way, if you report an obvious sock/reincarnation like that to AIV, make sure you say who you think it is, helps a lot in evaluating the reports. :) ) Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Redundant edit[edit]

Lol. (Mind meal 11:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

I'm just glad someone is there to possibly bring order to all the chaos. I'm starting to not know left from right with all this categorization. And I'm beginning to loathe those who don't use {{DEFAULTSORT:}}. Grrrr. (Mind meal 11:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC))


Thank you for correcting the edit I made to the Dallas Cook article. I should have paid more attention to what I was typing. --Lyght 14:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


Yes, you can never tell what will set CfD alight; I think I stayed out of that one. Category:viol players has suddenly appeared - I couldn't see it before. Johnbod 00:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes that would be it, thanks. Johnbod 00:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


Are you still open for adoption? --GOD 10:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

see my talk page--GOD 12:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

When do we start?--GOD 12:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more explicit, please?[edit]

Slightly more than two weeks ago, in the discussion page of the article about Paul Potts, I posted the following question:

At the end of the Wikipedia article there is reference to
I would just like to ask more experienced users, isn't the degree to which the article in Wikipedia is a copy of the article in that website too much against the Wikipedia rules? The topic is hot and, naturally, someone putting the text for the first time needed to rely on some source, but it struck me that whole paragraphs were identical. Fon 00:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[CUT: some other user's response and my polite response again]

After some time I received your comment:

Please read the Wikipedia policy on no personal attacks and the Wikipedia policy on being civil before commenting on talk pages again. Thanks. Bencherlite 09:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy rules are certainly always a good thing to remember, but I do not quite understand what my question had to do with you feeling I needed this piece of advice. I noticed that some material in Wikipedia was identical with some source. I asked, very politely, if this was not against the rules, making reservation that perhaps some more experienced users would explain to me that it was not and why it was not. In the end I got your comment. Could you please explain to me, when and in what way my question was not civil and contained a personal attack? And against whom was this attack? Also: is the present question not civil and contains personal attack? I just do not understand. Fon 00:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought the response was very funny. I now believe, that you should stop complaining about my website. I`m so glad that other people on Wiki show common sense and don`t get upset over such trivial issues. Webmaster,

So, your remark was not aimed at me. Now it makes perfect sense. I knew there was something strange about it. As it turns out, you actually wrote in my defence, which is a nice thing to experience from a London-based lawyer--and an Oxonian :) Thank you.

You seem to take particular interest in Welsh culture. My first ever visit to Britain, many years ago, was directly to Cardiff and then to Trealaw in the Rhondda Valley. A sentimental journey now :) Best regards, Fon 16:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Fan club[edit]

Looks like you have yourself a doppelganger. --CA387 22:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

At the time I posted that message, he'd copied your entire userpage, and posted it as his own. However, it seems like he's since been banned someone's sockpuppet. I suppose all you have to worry about now is an ex-adoptee that liked your new signature a bit too much. Best, CA387Talk 15:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it was the result of a self-love session, where I was checking to see how many users had given/recieved the barnstar image I created. --CA387Talk 15:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


I appear to have overlooked those. I've remedied that now. Yours, >Radiant< 08:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I suppose that may be annoying, but we had a naughty user last month who was adding things to the work page that hadn't been discussed on CFD, so we had to do something about it. >Radiant< 08:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Lebron James[edit]

I apologize for the Lebron James edit on March 17, but I use the username alai6666, and I never use this computer to edit articles. I also never looked up Lebron James on Wikipedia. I never got your message until now. 18:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

William Boyd[edit]

Unfortunately, I cannot give you any further information on Boyd's university career other than what I was able to research for his main article page. Ivankinsman 07:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion[edit]

If you have a moment to spare, your opinion would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Folk-blues musicians. Thank you. (Mind meal 08:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

Jesus College[edit]

Will keep an eye out. You might want to have a look here. Deb 17:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That'll keep you off the streets! Deb 18:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
We're going to have to create the articles as well as classify them, aren't we? Deb 18:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I've left you a present here! Deb 12:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Unusual Adoption Request[edit]

Hi! Im an English teacher in Toluca Mexico (west of Mexico City). My Advanced B classes will be contributing to Wikipedia as the focus of their English course for Fall 2007. I am looking for people who would like to mentor my students (who will be working in groups) as they do the following assignments: Edit and article (adding a citation), writing a stub with a citation, translating an English language article for Spanish Wikipedia and for the final project, writing a full article for English Wiki (they can expand on the stub mentioned previously). What I would like to do is put a list of "mentors/adopters" on my talk page as a kind of short cut for my students, who have limited time to get things done. The semester begings Aug 6, but the real Wikipedia work wont begin until the beginning of Sept. If you would like to add your name to my list, please go to my talk page and add it there, perhaps with a short introduction, if you like.

Thank you!

Thelmadatter 18:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Peter Thomas, Baron Thomas of Gwydir[edit]

I really did start that article, blimey. Must have been on a spree of adding ex-Cabinet members. I'm afraid my source was the same as yours -- Who's Who 1989. I've added it as a reference on the page, but beyond that I'm not much help. Your best bet is the Oxford Uni book listing all degrees and their year alphabetically by person. At least I know Cambridge has one so presume Oxford does too anyway. Smb1001 22:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


Thank u for ur contribution to my talk page. Your comments havebeen taken on bord. Toload1 10:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Aston Villa F.C. players[edit]

Thankyou for the edits you made to the players article. I think it is the only way to fix the nationalities problem, time consuming to implement (thanks for that) and bulky but it works! Thankyou again! Woodym555 11:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ a b something
  2. ^ like