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Buxton GA

Congratulations. It was this article that drew my attention to this neglected area (WP sense) of science/social history. And it is fascinating. - Sitush (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes well done, that was quick. Fascinating it most certainly is. J3Mrs (talk) 08:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Cat deletion

Why doesn't this CfD surprise me? Kneejerk, I'd say. - Sitush (talk) 23:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

(ec)Bloody hell! have these sad gits nothing better to do? There are 2 GAs in that category now - that should count for something. I've added my keep vote. Incidentally, I see from a comment you made on the reviewer's talk page that Horsefield's bulbs are still available from one supplier. I tried searching for them on google and gave up. Sentimental old git that I am, I thought it would be nice to plant a few around his grave and maybe some Speedwell or one of the others Buxton liked around his grave. I need to tidy up Buxton's grave a bit so I can get a better photo of it anyway. Where is this hard to find supplier? And thanks for the congratulations below - I can't keep up with these edit conflicts :-) Richerman (talk) 00:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I had a minor run-in with the CfD nom a few days ago. No sparks flying etc because I thought it not worth the obvious aggro that would follow & so backed off. Yes, the bulbs were available from a RHS-registered place in Scotland. Then, about a month ago, they disappeared from their list. They are an early flowering bulb (I am no gardener, but I think this probably means February-ish, before we stated getting floods and gales in June), My hope is that they re-appear on the list later in the year. They were not cheap, at around £3 a bulb, but they got cheaper very quickly if bought in numbers. I've got the place in my favourites/bookmarks but will probably email them anyway in the next week or so. Will keep you informed and, yes, I shall begin saving in order to add to the tribute. It is a very nice idea. - Sitush (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! I'm off to bed now as I should have gone two hours ago - speak to you soon. Richerman (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

We could have a meet to tidy Buxton's grave. I have everything from a pair of nail-scissors to a rather large (4 foot bar) chainsaw, but I guess some shears and (just possibly) some loppers will suffice. I may even be able to provide some additional height for a photo, if I am not in a Tramadol state. Perhaps if Mrs Malleus is fully recovered and Malleus cares to make the trip across Manchester then there may be a more or less ad hoc pint-and-gab wikimeet in the Church. And, indeed, J3Mrs may fancy it. As might Mrs Malleus? Oh, and Fairbairn's grave is in there somewhere, IIRC. We could plant some rusty metal, or breathe some hot air ... which brings me full circle re: a beer! We might be slightly late to attend the wake of these men, but better late than never. - Sitush (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

It has come back to me now. The prior encounter was here. - Sitush (talk) 01:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

J3Mrs might indeed be interested but has a holiday coming up. Let me know when, I have a habit of scattering wildflower seeds and would be interested in the bulbs, (five is a good number for a small clump). J3Mrs (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

By the Church you mean the Church Inn, of course. I spent nearly every night in there from the age of 17 and a half until I got married. In fact, I even met my wife in there - well It was unlikely I'd have met her anywhere else really! It's a lovely pub, just a pity the landlord's a bit of a prat, but I'm always happy to have a pint or three there - and I can stagger home across the clough. Bags I the Magistrates's seat though. Buxton's grave only needs a bit of a sweep and some of the grass and weeds wild flowers trimming back from around the edge to reveal the stone. A petrol strimmer might be useful (mine was nicked some years ago) but we'd probably have to get permission first. I think if we went in with a chainsaw there might be some repercussions :-). When I went to look for Horsefield's and Buxton's graves I was lucky enough to see two elderly volunteers tidying up the churchyard and one of them had a booklet with an annotated plan of all the graves. I may have eventually found Horsefield's grave without it but I would never have spotted Buxton's as it was so overgrown. And don't even think of saving up to buy bulbs - you'll need a few quid to buy J3Mrs a drink or to to apologise for calling her fine edits "twiddling", although I see she's done some twiddling of her own since. I'm a bit of a wildflower seed scatterer myself but without much success so far. I've had better results with growing them on a bit and then transplanting them. I do also plan to get some Fritillaria meleagris bulbs later in the year and spread those around a bit in some suitable locations - but that's another story. Richerman (talk) 23:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I am unsure about the "a bit of ..." part. I think that you could lose the "bit of" without risking loss in a libel suit. The previous owner (CCR) was no better. In any event, there are always alternatives, eg: the Joey Holt's place across the road. I wouldn't worry too much about crossing the Clough just yet: I think that you need to practice leaving the table first ;)

I have a petrol strimmer and I am in touch with people who could most likely smooth the passage for its use (the vicar at Stand Church, for example, is one who uses my services - sorry about the pun). I am pretty sure that the bulbs will not be available for months but I am also fairly sure that I could get the Prestwich & Whitefield Heritage Society on board with that idea, as and when. I could even float the possibility of some PR via the local rags if that is what it takes. I have never knowingly met any of them but I would be surprised if I actually haven't, and they were most helpful with info for the article a week or so ago. Hell, some of them might even fancy joining in here, which might be A Good Thing.

I am more than happy to make recompense for the twiddling remark: J3Mrs is one of those people whom we should be seeing at Manchester wikimeets and if it takes a mild insult + conciliatory gesture to persuade her that she really might like it, then that is money well spent. Not that this particular suggestion of mine was intended with any ulterior motive, but ... - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

J3Mrs hadn't taken offence, she finds twiddling quite theraputic, some editors do little else. Avoid my hols, visitors and a wedding and I'll try to come :-) J3Mrs (talk) 06:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I have. I can't believe that anyone would have the bad grace to mention my minor indescretion on the last wikimeet. I thought that was all behind me so I'm hurt now - it's dragged up memories that can only be erased by someone buying me beer - enough to make me forget again. But it would have to be in the Church - that Joey Holts stuff is far too inexpensive to have the right therapeutic effect. Richerman (talk) 13:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Never mind Richerman, I'll buy you both one, perhaps it's someone else's turn to fall over. PS Could I get a tram? J3Mrs (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

You could indeed - tram to Prestwich station and then it's a ten minute walk. Richerman (talk) 13:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I think I could manage that churches aren't usually hard to spot. J3Mrs (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

It's a bit out of the way and you can't see it until you're quite close, but it's down Church Lane - which is a bit of a clue. One way or another we'll make sure you don't get lost on the day. On the subject of botany, last year I found a Common spotted orchid growing in a pot in my front garden next to a shrub. This year it's grown to about 2 ft tall and has two flower spikes. It's the most successful orchid coloniser of waste land according to the article but do you think Horsefield and Buxton would be impressed? Richerman (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

What does that say about your garden?J3Mrs (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe I'll add "and well-tended plant pots" to that description. Richerman (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Make sure you have a walk over to the Irwell, there's a lovely wooded path that takes you straight down. It's very nice down there. Also check out Clifton Viaduct and Clifton Aqueduct. Parrot of Doom 16:03, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

PoD, I think you should come along as well if you aren't busy working or cycling.J3Mrs (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Maybe J3Mrs, but only if I can say rude words and get some of you to join the MB&B Canal society :) Parrot of Doom 23:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

PoD, as far as I am concerned, you can say whatever you please. Aside from the obvious and the rather more wayward, one of the beauties of digital hearing aids is the possibility to switch to the "bullshit filter" program ;) Or the "TV bleep filter" program, etc. Plus, I don't give a fuck - express yourself in whatever manner is your choosing. ;) - Sitush (talk) 23:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely! Got to go out now but J3 Mrs. could you chip in again at that category discussion page? There's been some developments. Richerman (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

That's it! I give up on the category discussion as it's going round in circles. What have the boundary changes of the 1970s got to do with botanists from the 18th and 19th centuries? Clearly, everyone we would want to add to it lived in Lancashire at that time so I don't see the problem. However, I'm not willing to spend time arguing the point over a category - you can waste hours with that sort of stuff. I reckon we should just carry on with what we're doing and if we get to do a general article about them maybe start a new category with that name. What do you think Sitush? Richerman (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree. I have often found that those who are regulars in the Cat space simply do not "get" the concept that WP is primarily an encyclopedia and categories are an organisational tool, not an end in themselves. To be honest, I sometimes wonder if they bother investigating even some of the articles about which they comment. If you like uninformed pedantry etc then CfD is the place for you. The main article will happen, I am sure of it.

BTW, I've read all the other stuff in this here thread - just having a bad few days in real life. We will sort something out, between four weddings, a funeral, most likely several holidays and a tram timetable. I'll make the enquiries promised above. - Sitush (talk) 23:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, I hope it's nothing too serious and things improve soon. Richerman (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions

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"I'm far too busy and important to actually do any work"

[1] That's the kind of lazy tagging that gets on my tits as well. "Oh look, I've found something that's a little unclear, but I'm far too busy and important to deal with it myself." Malleus Fatuorum 00:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

There were only two effin' articles to choose from and the other one was born in 1746 - what a prat! BTW I saw a hack a week or so ago that you could use in this situation, I instead of writing John Hippersly (parliamentarian)| John Hippersly you put John Hippersly (parliamentarian)| followed by a single character - but I can't remember what the flamin' character was. Any ideas?

I don't understand the question, but it sounds like a useful shortcut. Malleus Fatuorum 00:53, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

No character at all - John Hippisley. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:22. [Help:Pipe trick|pipe trick]] where typing [[John Smith (explorer)|]] will save as [[John Smith (explorer)|John Smith]]., 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not making myself clear. The way Nikkimaria has just done it is the way I would normally do it but in the hack you type the square brackets and the name of the article i.e. John Hippisley (parliamentarian) followed by '|' and then a single character, close the brackets and it displays as 'John Hippisley'. It saves you typing the name twice. I thought "that's easy I'll remember that" but now, of course, I can't. I think it may have been in a village pump proposal - I'll have to search for it. Richerman (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry Nikkimaria - I've found the original post and you're right, but the way it saves makes it unclear that you'd done it differently. It's a pipe trick where typing [[John Smith (explorer)|]] will save as [[John Smith (explorer)|John Smith]]. Richerman (talk) 10:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Manchester Zoological Gardens

I noticed you added an external link to a map, for which thanks. I reminds me that perhaps one of Wikipedia's strengths is that info on little-known and frankly unimportant subjects like this one is easily available to those few who care. Malleus Fatuorum 00:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I thought you'd like that :) I did get a copy of an earlier map of the gardens fom the Salford History Library a couple of years ago but I don't know what I did with it. One day I'll get another copy and add it to the article. Richerman (talk) 00:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I've always been drawn to the (almost) forgotten and quirky. I keep wondering about whether I could make a stand-alone article about Stretford's Great Stone, or similar great stones in general, but then I think fuck it, why should I bother? Malleus Fatuorum 01:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I became fascinated by Woden's Den in Ordsall but ended up just adding it to the Ordsall article. Richerman (talk) 01:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

That Ordsall article is a disgrace. You could at least put it out of its misery by creating a Woden's Den article. I think there's probably quite a lot of material on that. Malleus Fatuorum 01:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I think all I could find on it went in there other than it being used as a setting in one of Wiilian Harrison Ainsworth's books. I've not heard of the great stone before but on a similar theme, I always wondered where the street called 'The Rock' in Bury got it's name. And in Prestwich the story is that Butterstile Lane was named after a stile where they put coins in vinegar to pay for the butter that as left there durng the plague. Richerman (talk) 01:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I'd bet you a pint of your favourite ale that we could do something with Woden's Den. Ainsworth didn't really invent stuff, but he did sometimes put it in the wrong historical context for "poetic" effect. Jeez, I'm begining to sound like a fucking expert, which I'm not. Malleus Fatuorum 01:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that's an offer I can't refuse - I'll see what can find. Actually, I've now found where Ainsworth used it, it was in his Guy Fawkes novel where he called it "Ordsall Cave". I've also seen it as "Woden's cave". Richerman (talk) 15:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

That was where I first came across it as well, when I was working on the Ordsall Hall article.The question is, where did Ainsworth get the idea from? I doubt he made it up. Malleus Fatuorum 20:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused there - have you read what I put about it in the Ordsall article? The cave did exist - I presume he just made up the bit about the prophetess. Or did you mean the whole thing about Guy Fawkes plotting at Ordsall Hall? Richerman (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Ordsall isn't on my watchlist, so I didn't see that, no. The Guy Fawkes plotting stuff is plausible given a good wind and a couple of beers, but it was the prophetess I was thinking of. Did he just invent her for his story? Malleus Fatuorum 10:19, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I should thnk so. Richerman (talk) 11:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not so sure. Ainsworth transposed things in time, such as including Thomas Potts as a character in his The Lancashire Witches, but in general he did take trouble to research the details. Malleus Fatuorum 17:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Happy children want you to be happy too!

Happy children join me in extending the best possible Season's Greetings to you and your loved ones at this time of year, and if you don't celebrate the usual holidays (Diwali, Xmas, Hanukkah, Eid, Kwanzaa, etc....), then we will still wish you a Happy Festivus. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 18:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - and a happy Christmas to you and yours. Richerman (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper's...

I reverted your recent edit to this article. There's no mention of "music hall", "rock and roll", or "pop" in the article, let alone about any songs discussed in the article, and the only reference to "Indian" is that one song was recorded with four Indian musicians. Dan56 (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see, I thought you were just referring to the Indian music, which is definitely there. So which ones are you saying aren't on the album? Richerman (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

None of them. Even "traditional Indian music". The genres I quoted above only appear once in the article, and that's in the lead where I placed the citation-needed tag. Dan56 (talk) 21:17, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't follow that - are you saying the genres are not in the article or not on the album? Richerman (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The statement "songs on the album range from..." requires a citation; normally, things in the lead dont require a citation if they just summarized what's in the body of the article (WP:LEADCITE), but as I said, that statement doesnt appear anywhere else in the article, so it's unsourced and should be tagged as "citation-needed". I wouldnt argue my opinion on what's on the album, as I havent listened to it and it shouldnt be relevant even if I had (Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth). Dan56 (talk) 05:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Well statements need to be cited if they are likely to be challenged and if you're not challenging anything it seems a bit strange add a citation needed tag. However, if you think it needs a citation why don't you find one instead of just tagging it? Richerman (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

By tagging it, I am challenging it, although I could just remove it altogether instead of giving a chance for editors to cite it if they feel it is verifiable and not made up (WP:CHALLENGE). The burden is not on me. Otherwise, what's the purpose of even having citation tags? Dan56 (talk) 03:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Cornwall

Welcome to a shit-load of abuse that might be coming your way from the Cornish nationalist numpties who frequent Wikipedia. In the past there has been an active campaign to obliterate any mention of England from all Cornwall-related articles, but consensus has been reached in the past that it is acceptable in Cornwall articles to have "England, United Kingdom". I fully agree with your edit at London Apprentice‎‎, that it is unnecessary clarification, but because of the previous consensus, wherever I find a Cornwall article that has "Cornwall, United Kingdom" I actively add "England", but I do not remove "United Kingdom". Of course consensus can change and I'd love to reach new consensus and remove this ridiculous anomaly. --Bob Re-born (talk) 12:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Everything you do on here has the capacity to upset somebody. If it's not people in Greater Manchester who still think they live in Lancashire it's Welsh people who think the Celts are the only true Brits and the rest of us are incomers. The term 'get a life' springs to mind :) Richerman (talk) 18:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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My "arse"?

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I didn't add the information but it was obvious it would probably be available and it took me a few seconds to find a citation for it using google. Citation tags should be used for information that may or may not be true but you can't cofirm yourself. Not to just deface the article for no good reason. Richerman (talk) 10:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Ice spike

Hi there!

Oh wow, we did think what happened overnight during the week was pretty amazing and felt very lucky to have seen such a thing for ourselves. Thank you for calling by my blog and leaving a message. It's taken me ages to work out how to contact you but hopefully this will reach you OK.

Please feel free to use any (or more) of the images of the ice spike I posted on my little craft blog to add to the article - I only set up my Wikipedia ID yesterday and would have to wait a few days from what I can gather before uploading images. We took a whole load but I think I chose the best ones when I wrote the blog post.

If you need any more information my email is di_wray@hotmail.com.

Kind regards

Di

http://pixiescraftyworkshop.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/strange-happenings-in-snippets.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixie Di (talk • contribs) 10:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Di I'll go over and upload one of them. Sorry, I should have told you how to contact me. Your very lucky to have found that one - my interest in them was sparked off by finding the little trapezoid shaped one in an orange plastic bucket that you can see in the article but it's nothing like as spectacular as yours. Richerman (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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England Race Riots

Hi Richerman, I have done some work adding links and citations to the 1981 England riots page, although I was unable to change the name of the page as you suggested. Does this qualify for having the header template removed?

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Wow! it is a long time since I wrote that. I've removed the tags as you've made some improvements - which is what I should have done then rather than tagging it. I wouldn't want to change the title now as it does seem to fit with other similar articles and a couple of redirects would sort out the problem I had then with finding it. There are, however, other problems with the article that I'll try and sort out when I have a bit of time. Richerman (talk) 01:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Britain from above

Have you seen this site? It's been around for a while but they've added new images. I never knew there were tennis courts and a cricket ground near Pilkington's, for example. And look at this picture of Prestwich Hospital - it includes an image of Philips Park Viaduct, the first I've seen. I thought you might find it interesting, there are loads of pics of Salford, particularly the East Lancs Road being built. Parrot of Doom 19:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow! that's fascinating. In the early 1950s we lived near Clifton Junction in a bungalow on Rake Lane, just near the junction with Lumns Lane. When I was 4 we moved to Prestwich and later I used to play in Philips Park quite a lot. I remember the 7 arches but I think they were fenced off by then as they were unsafe, but do I seem to remember being daring and walking across them. That's the first photo I've seen of them too. There was a pond in Mere Clough we called 'Bobby's pond' where we used to catch newts, and when they laid out the stakes for the M62 we used to pull them up so they wouldn't build over our pond. Sadly my pioneering attempts at being an eco-warrior came to nothing and they built over it anyway. Richerman (talk) 21:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

My earliest memory of Philips Park is sliding on my backside down the slope at the side of the 13 arches viaduct :) I wish more pictures existed. Parrot of Doom 22:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

There are quite a few pics of PP knocking around, although not necessarily online. I know someone who has a large collection of postcards relating to Whitefield/Prestwich and I keep asking him whether I can scan the things "for safety" - he agrees in principle but getting him to actually sit down with me and do it is another story. Many of them have been reprinted in local history books but while he is happy to loan them out for such purposes, I think that he is utterly scared of anything to do with computing. As for the BfA site, yes, it is slowly expanding; of course, I have a bird's-eye view of the modern environs, at least in comparison to some. - Sitush (talk) 23:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

There's a book I used to build some of our Philip's Park article, it contains a few good images but they're not all that interesting. Philips and Drinkwater Parks seem to be largely forgotten areas of Manchester, which may or may not be a good thing. Parrot of Doom 09:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I had a walk with the dog in Mere Clough on Sunday and it's absolutely full of wild garlic in flower at the moment. Sadly much of Philips Park is blighted by the noise from the motorway now. I usually walk the dog in Drinkwater Park on a Sunday and that's also changed out of all recognition in the last 30 years or so - for the better though. As for your comment about me seeing those posters when I fell over Si - I could probably see them perfectly well standing up :-)

Wild garlic is ok, but probably not when it is so close to the motorway. FWIW, I've started on J. & N. Philips & Co but already have the feeling that the article will end up being called something like Philips family of Manchester and Staffordshire. I knew that they had fingers in a lot of pies but my preliminary reading has opened my eyes to just how many pies it was - more MPs than I knew of, blanket manufacture in Witney, more philanthropy than just that of The Park branch, etc. This could turn into more of an organisation issue than a research one. - Sitush (talk) 21:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tweak in the sandbox. Any idea whereabouts Dolefield may have been in Manchester? One of the Philips business was established at "Dolefield (Manchester)" c. 1750. I'm pretty sure Dolefield is not intended as a synonym for Manchester but as a district. - Sitush (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

There's a street called Dolefield near the new courts on Bridge Street. I'd like to write the history of the coalmining Fletchers but am daunted by the extent. J3Mrs (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that might be it then. The coalmining Fletchers, eh? I wonder if there was ever a business dynasty of arrow-making Colliers? - Sitush (talk) 08:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I could make one up. Would anybody notice? J3Mrs (talk) 14:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

As I've been up at 6 am every morning this week I was determined to be in bed by 11 pm last night. Then I got onto your sandbox ("Originally based in Tean, Staffordshire, England, the business was a manufacturer of that expanded both by organic growth....do tell - manufacturer of what?] and that led me onto Stand, Greater Manchester. That only had two sentences and they were both wrong so I just had to fix it, and I didn't get to bed until midnight - all your fault! Still, J3Mrs was there to fix my typos for me :) I should be working at Whitefield library next week so I'll see if they have anything there about the area. I might even pinch a sneaky photo of the chunk of wood from the Old Hall when no-one's around. Richerman (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm regularly living on four hours' sleep, so you get no sympathy from me ;) I nipped across the road to that library today, in search of the Wadsworth/Mann book that I am using. According to the online catalogue, they have a copy; according to their shelves, they don't. Three of us spent around 40 minutes searching low and lower in what used be called stacks. One ended up being glum because he can't quite see all the pages using GBooks, and the other two looked glum because it has probably been nicked. They then phoned Bury and the reference copy there has also gone AWOL. The next nearest library is Central and I'm not sure that place has re-opened, so I thought bollocks to it and have ordered a copy. That's me without beer for the next week or two, then!

AS for article trails, well, I've gone from my draft --> Mark Philips (politician) --> Welcombe House --> George Lloyd (scholar) (new article) today. The inventor of the hyperlink has a lot to answer for. - Sitush (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The book - all 500 pages of The Cotton Trade and Industrial Lancashire 1600-1780 - has turned up. If ever you should need a read then just ask. - Sitush (talk) 23:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Richerman, I don't know where you're reachable,but I want to say I don't like your arrogance. I added an adjective " human" because I wanted to make an article clearer (I misunderstood it at first). Instead of thank you I get some arrogance and irony. It is because of folks like you that I don't want to edit wikipedia anymore (which is good news for you, since you don't need to revert my edits anymore). Thank you for all your efforts, but I suggest wikipedia presents different versions for people particularly sensitive to specie-ism, sexism, etc. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamiel79 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I presume you're referring to this edit. I am at a loss to understand how anyone could misunderstand the sentence you changed or how the addition of the word 'human' made it any clearer. Perhaps you could tell me what you thought it meant. Richerman (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Reviewer

I've added the reviewer right to your account in case it comes in handy. INeverCry 19:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Richerman (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Wakes week

I do like your additions to this article. :) J3Mrs (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad you like them. I found the book on Lancashire Legends etc. in the library and that got me started, and the rest came from google books. There is a lot more in the Fowler and Barton books yet and some more stuff I can add to the Rushbearing article. You really must read the reminiscences of an old lady here - lovely stuff. I was brought up in Prestwich but when we were first married we lived in Shuttleworth near Ramsbottom from 1972-80. I was amazed when the whole place shut down for the wakes - even the corner shop closed and the pub took over selling the newspapers. I remember the place was in uproar when they dscided to standardise the school holidays and scrap the week off for wakes week. I was told by one local farmer that nobody would be sending their kids to school during wakes week. There was still a gas lamp in the village in those days too. I have often thought that one day I'd like to do an article on the history of the British seaside holiday as I have such happy memories of summer holidays by the sea. It would be something of a labour of love - a bit like Dennis Brown with his American car culture articles I suppose. Richerman (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I have similar memories of "Bongs Wakes" the steam driven fair on Shakerley Common at the end of April (to coincide with St George's Day) and an even bigger one in September when families got together to enjoy it. I remember black peas and before I was seven the last ox roast. The schools closed for Wakes weeks, as did all the pits, the factories and the shops so if you couldn't afford a holiday life was very boring. We went on excursion trains to Blackpool and Southport or North Wales or on a bus to Belle Vue Zoo. We had gas lamps where I lived and my grandma still had the gas lights on the walls with mantles but didn't use them. I once had a cutting from the Lancashire dialect "Tum Fowt Times" (Tong Fold Times) describing the events held in the mid-19th century but I've lost it. J3Mrs (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Pain in the arse

How ironic that you seem such a stickler for Wikipedia rules but can't follow WP:CIVIL. Haldraper (talk) 08:15, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing uncivil about telling the truth. Changing article names without discussion, edit warring and making threats are a complete pain in the arse so please stop. Richerman (talk) 09:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

You clearly haven't read WP:CIVIL. Haldraper (talk) 15:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR RFC

There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Barton Aqueduct

Thanks for your help with the GA review. God knows why I ever thought it was a good idea to write about stuff that no longer exists ... but having said that I might try and see what I can do with the original road bridge. Eric Corbett 01:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

As I put that information in I thought I should sort it out. Anyway, I enjoyed doing a little google books research for that one as I've long been fascinated by Brindley - an original working class hero. Richerman (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Transit of Venus, 1639/GA1

I've started this review, but noticed a potential blocker of GA. Can you please respond ASAP? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Transit of Venus, 1639

I have reviewed this, and, whilst there are three points that could be improved, it's such a good article that I didn't feel that the fairly minor points should block. As such, I have promoted it. The review follows. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Adam Cuerden (talk · contribs) 19:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the major issue this has on a quick skim is Episode 13: Anonymous (24 November 2009). "An important anniversary in the history of science". The Renaissance Mathematics. wordpress.com. Retrieved 11 May 2012.

Can you state why this blog is acceptable under WP:RS? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Reply Er - it's not. I've no idea why I put that one in, I mustn't have realised it was a blog. I've replaced it. Richerman (talk) 10:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Right. I'm afraid this is going to be a fairly boring review beyond that point, then. This is an excellently-written, very competently-put-together article. Still, there are a few points.

General

• Lots of missing commas. I've copyedited accordingly, also making other small adjustments, so this may be considered dealt with

Reply Hmm - I think some of those are a bit controversial - ,and, - that's at least one too many. Richerman (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I do try to cut down on my Victorianism when it comes to commas, but a few may slip by. Feel free to remove some, but I think that more than there were does make it more readable. . Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:24, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

However, do note that , and , is actually required in some cases. When the structure is something like [Independent clause], and, [comma-delineated phrase connected to IC2], [independent clause 2]. it's always necessary. For example. "Billy went to the market, and, while he was there, Sally saw him." Where I tend to exceed normal usage is that, when commas are optional in modern usage, I tend to default to putting them in. Still, I think the article did need more commas than it had. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Background "suggesting that observations of a Venus transit would be more useful scientifically." - This reads, in context, as saying that observations of the Venus transit would be more useful than observations of a Mercury transit. I suspect you mean that the observations of the Mercury transit proving scientifically valuable indicated that the Venus transit would also be valuable, which isn't the same thing.

Reply No, it means that Mercury was too small to be useful for techniques such as the parallax method but I'll check up on that and clarify it. Richerman (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

William Crabtree

• It would be good to provide a translation for "Nos Keplari".

Reply I would translate it as 'We Keplarians' but I've never found a reference for it anywhere. I'll put that in and see if anyone objects later. Richerman (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC) Transit of Mercury

• "[...]around one minute of arc when seen as the bright morning star close to the Sun" - I'd suggest something like "[...]around one minute of arc in its normal position of the bright morning star close to the Sun." - I would've copyedited this, but was worried about exact phrasing.

Reply That sounds reasonable to me. Richerman (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I have a rule for promotion of these. If the problems are trivial and few, there's really no need to wait on them for promotion. This is an excellent article, and, whilst the... three points raised... should be fixed, I really don't think that's enough to block GA. Indeed, once they are fixed, I would consider this immediately ready to go to FAC. ✓ Pass. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Comment Thanks for your review and the kind words. I was thinking of going to FAC with it but I'll need to standardise the citation style first. Then I'll have to make sure I have the time to deal with the flak :) Richerman (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Beatrix Potter

Hi. Potter dabbled in what we'd now call science when very young, studying plants and fungi to inform her excellent illustrations. I'm really not convinced this makes her a 'scientist'; and everyone would agree, I think, that science was not her career. Dipping a toe in the water does not constitute lifelong swimming. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but your wrong - see one example of someone who disagrees with you. And she was 31 when she presented her paper to the Linnean Society. Richerman (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Signature

Your signature has stray italics in it. The correct formatting is this:

<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Richerman|<font color="green">Richerman</font>]]</span>   [[User talk:Richerman|'''(talk)''']]

Please update your signature. →Σσς. (Sigma) 02:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Why? Richerman (talk) 06:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Suppose you had this code:

[[link|this is a link with ''italics]] that doesn't continue'' outside of the link.

We would see it rendered like this:

this is a link with italics that doesn't continue outside of the link.

We see something strange, here. The opening '' was closed by the ]] as if it was closed by a ''.

So, let's see what happens if we move the opening italic closer to the end of the link:

this is a link with italics that doesn't continue outside of the link.

this is a link with italics that doesn't continue outside of the link.

The last line is what you have in your signature. Although it works, it is poor syntax that does not affect the text at all, making it a waste of space. Additionally, it could potentially break 3rd party libraries that parse wikicode (used by many bots on this site). In fact, the library I use has been affected by your signature, [2], and so it would be appreciated if you could enact the change I requested. Thanks. →Σσς. (Sigma) 06:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand what your saying but the text you have given for the correct formatting seems to be identical to text I have in my signature - where is the difference? Richerman (talk) 12:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Examining the wikitext seen when editing this page shows that your signature has one instance of '' (two apostrophes). There should be an even number so when italics is started it is correctly stopped without relying on some trick in the system. All that's needed is to remove the two apostrophes that appear at the end of the following: <font color="green">Richerman</font>'' Johnuniq (talk) 22:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks John I've fixed it now. I looked a number of times but just couldn't see it - that's why I'll never be a programmer :) Richerman (talk) 10:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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A Tesla Roadster for you!

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Thank you - just what I always wanted :) Richerman (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Avebury grammar

Thanks. I just had to correct a couple of his/hers spelling corrections (and ironically I found an edit summary that said "Made sentence more strong". :-) Dougweller (talk) 10:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I just couldn't miss the opportunity to use that edit summary :) Richerman (talk) 10:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Can't blame you, it was a good one! Dougweller (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I just wish I'd thought of it first. Richerman (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Mouse tail used for balance

Hi. I have just come across this "When running, the horizontal tail serves for balance;" [3].__DrChrissy (talk) 00:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I found that one myself. It's not a reliable source as it doesn't quote any sources and actually some of it seems to have been lifted from the wikipedia article - for example " Young males and females are not easily distinguished; females have a significantly smaller distance between their anus and genital opening. Females have 5 pairs of mammary glands and nipples; males have no nipples. When sexually mature the most striking and obvious difference is the presence of testicles on the males. These are relatively large compared to the rest of the body and can be retracted into the body".

Ah, right - I have encountered this problem of people lifting from Wikipedia before and it is really frustrating. By the way, is it true that males don't have nipples? I have done a lot of work on the behaviour of lab mice but have usually used females to avoid aggression.__DrChrissy (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

To be honest I don't remember - it's not something I ever really noticed. Incidentally I found my way to the Laboratory rat page and ended up cleaning that page up as it was a bit of a car crash. I've yet to add some stuff on the reasons why albinos are used in labs. I always suspected they were more docile because they had poor vision but it's a lot more complex than that. This site gives a good overview of the relationship between docility and coat colour - which must also apply to mice. Richerman (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I've managed to get access to those two reports on the tail being used for balance which you wanted me to look at. They are both very brief, but give robust evidence that the tail is used in balance. I tried to get a .pdf of each to send you, but there appears to be a block on that. I've put the references in at House mouse but of course these would be relevant to other articles.__DrChrissy (talk) 21:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! - thanks very much for your perseverance :) Richerman (talk) 06:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Mellotron

Just a quick heads up, somebody has picked up the GA review for this and will be adding review comments soon. As you've been helpful on the talk page in the past few months, you might want to chip in as and when it's appropriate. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:49, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

OK will do - thanks for letting me know. Richerman (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Vikings

I wrote a few words here about the recent edits on the Vikings page. I have removed my words, as they were based on another users edits and not yours. Im sorry for the confusion. If you have questions about the edit revisions of your posts, please direct them at ZarlanTheGreen on the talk page of the Vikings.

The definition you provided was fine, but the article also needs to somehow reflect the relationship between the Norse and the Vikings, as evidenced by the talk page.

The article overall needs a thorough text on definitions and relations on these issues. I hope someone will do it in the future to avoid the many edits back and forth. RhinoMind (talk) 19:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

That's OK, I've taken it off my watchlist anyway - too many problems. Richerman (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

:-) I hear you RhinoMind (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Scout Moor

Hi, I have removed the reference to Shuttleworth and copyedited the Shuttleworth page and added a reliable reference. Hope that's ok. J3Mrs (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Of course it is - that's much better than those sodding tags. Funnily enough we lived in a worker's cottage in Shuttleworth for 8 years when we first got married. Very insular it was in those days - we were " those Manchester people" :) Richerman (talk) 22:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Happy to help. I like the church dedication, to St John in the Wilderness. J3Mrs (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep - very apt :) Actually there was still one gas lamp left there in the 1970s. That's where we lived when I first encountered the whole place shutting down for wakes week. On that note I was working at Radcliffe library a couple of weeks ago and came across this book. It's written by a professor of social history and has a lot about wakes week. I'll be adding something to the article when I get a copy. I'm working on Manchester Racecourse in my sandbox at the moment. I may go for a DYK if I can expand it enough, although I should have thought about that before expanding it a few days ago. Richerman (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

The racecourse grandstands were left for a while next to No.9 Dock on the ship canal and weren't demolished until after the dock was opened by King Edward on 13 July 1905 and were used to house the crowd who came to witness the spectacle of the guests sailing past the royal pavilion on board two chartered Mersey ferries. J3Mrs (talk) 11:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)