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Here is a question I really want to know how to do

how did this admin customize their name at the top? This admin. The source is also empty but just says user something. How did they even do that? HorsesARENice^{Ride me to my talk page} 06:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

They call User:Vanamonde93/User page and all the fancy formatting is done there.... Regards, Ariconte (talk) 06:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I think what A___ meant is send Vanamonde a message via Talk, asking how that User page formating is created? V___, like a few other editors, deletes all talk content after reading it, but that does not mean you can't ask. David notMD (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, HorsesAreNice, welcome back. I think what you were wondering was how Vanamonde93 managed to create a user page when all you see is one short line of wiki text on that page, namely {{User:Vanamonde93/User_page}}. You got the correct answer, in brief, from Ariconte. Here's a bit more of an explanation: What Vanamonde93 has done is to add a simple command which transcludes (i.e. inserts a live link) to one of their sub-pages, also named 'User_page'. Instead of editing their main User page, they edit this sub-page instead. The use of the two curly brackets either side of the address is the clever command that inserts the contents of what is effectively a template into that page. (We have two methods of inserting text from one page into another page a) Transclusion, which keeps a live link so that all changes on the source page is reflected in the recipient page each time the page is loaded; and b) Substitution whereby the contents of the donor page are pasted in en masse, and never change again, even if the source page is later altered. (See WP:Transclusion and WP:Substitution if you'd like more details)

So, you might ask, why on earth did they do this? Well, the answer lies in the edit history of that source page which was created on 29 Nov 2017 with an edit summary that states: "trying to avoid notifying all my watchers after every user page modification" This could be quite a sensible thing for an administrator to do, as these editors do tend to attract quite a large number of people who 'watch' their Talk pages, sometimes commenting or responding on their behalf if these talk pages get a lot of traffic. These watchers would also receive a notification every time even the smallest edit were made by Vanamonde93 to his/her user page. (144 watchers in the case of this admin). Whilst I see that you are constantly changing and tweaking your user page at the moment (which is fine), I really don't advise you to adopt this approach at all as you have very few people watching yours, and it's quite unnecessary. Understanding the differences between transclusion and substitution can be useful once you gain a lot more experience of editing here, but, again, I'd suggest you don't worry about it at this early stage in your editing career. Hope you're still enjoying your canter through the elegant intricacies of Wikipedia! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry - I forgot to answer the first part of your question! i.e. how did they get than nice green, delicate font to display their username? To find out, go back and take a look at the source code of their subpage discussed above (see here). You'll notice they've used used another template called Template:DISPLAYTITLE which has set the parameters of how their name is displayed by using this markup:

{{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="position:absolute; top: -9999px">User:</span><span style="color: #00CC99"><font face="Papyrus">Vanamonde</span></font><span style="position:absolute; top: -9999px">93</span>}}
{{User:Vanamonde93/Top icons}}

. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of this template myself - or the preferred form of use - though you can read the instructions on how to deploy it correctly via the link I've just given above. I also see that beneath it they've also done the right thing by attributing credit to those other editors whose ideas they have utilised. Nick Moyes (talk)

Huh, I have to confess I did not anticipate my userpage being the topic of a teahouse discussion :). Nick has covered most of the detail above, but let me just add that I did not create any of that code; I'm terrible at writing wiki-markup; I modified it from the userpages of several other editors, listed in the source text at User:Vanamonde93/User page. Also, if you are so inclined, you are free to copy any of the code you please; but given that you are relatively new here, I would recommend focusing on content rather than fiddling with your userpage. It's one thing to try to beautify things when you're taking a break from content writing, another thing entirely to start out here by spending a lot of time on your userpage; we aren't a social media site, after all, but an encyclopedia. Vanamonde (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Getting known

How do I join to be a member of something?How can I get known and gain more popularity on Wikipedia and also,how can I get a badge? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FYI bookgirl me (talk • contribs) 17:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, One way to join in with the community would be to join a wikiproject. There are several such projects on Wikipedia, where editors work to improve content on a particular topic in which they have a shared interest. You can search for wikiprojects here, or if you find an article you are interest in and go to its talkpage you might find a link to some WikiProjects that are working on the article there. As for badges, there are several Barnstars that an editor may give you in recognition of your efforts on the project. Pi (Talk to me!) 18:02, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, FYI bookgirl. This is a project to build and improve this encyclopedia, and please remember that it is not a social media site. So, do not think about "popularity" but rather think about developing a good reputation as a productive, level-headed encyclopedia editor. Familiarize yourself with our policies and guidlines. Start by making fairly minor changes to articles where you have a good understanding of the topic. When you add new content, always provide a reference to a reliable source. Communicate and cooperate with your fellow editors on talk pages. Gradually get involved in behind-the-scenes maintenance work, like fighting vandalism and Articles for Deletion, where you can learn what belongs in the encyclopedia and what doesn't. After some preparation, you may want to write a new article on a notable topic. Reading Your first article will be helpful for that. And always feel free to return to the Teahouse with specific editing questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:32, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Just created first article.

Please could someone help me to edit the article BlueAir because I am a bit lost on how to do it. You will find information on the wiki page, but I have marked this as a stub.

1) Was I correct to mark it as a stub? 2) Can someone please help me to expand it?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisuserisepic (talk • contribs) 10:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thisuserisepic, and welcome to the Teahouse. You were correct to mark this as a stub, but the problem is that you did not cite any sources. Therefore, in this edit Chrissymad converted the article back to a redirect to Blue Air, advising that you work on your new article in draft space. I concur with that advice. I would threfore sugget that you use the article wizard to create Draft:BlueAir. But before you do this, you should seriously consider whether this company is Notatable in the special sense in which Wikipedia uses that term. Please read our guideline on he notability of corporations. In general, you would need to find multiple Independent professionally published reliable sources that discuss the company in some depth. That means not anything from the company itself, not its web site or press releases, nor interviews with company officials, nor stories that just repeat press releases. Those are not independent. It also means not mere directory entries or passing mentions or routine announcements. Those do not discus the company in any depth. Each source used to help establish notability should contain at least 3-4 paragraphs about he company. If you cannot find at least three sources like that, stop, there cannot be a Wikipeia article about the company at this time.

Also, are you in any way connected with the company? if yu are, you have a Conflict of Interest, please read our guideline on that before proceeding. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! I am not related to the company, and thanks for the advice on notability. Thisuserisepic (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC) 20:02 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Youtube Info Update Frequency

Fairly simple question, I'd think, so here's to hoping that the answer is just as simple. Is there guidance somewhere as to how often articles /should/ be updated with Youtube information (*number of views, subscribers, etc*)? I've taken a cursury glance around but have yet to see any guidelines for this situation. Thanks in advance. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 19:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

As often as one wishes. We are a volunteer project as editors here, so, provided that the edits are not conflicting, you can update as freely and frequently as you wish, preferably providing citations from reliable sources. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 19:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, NsTaGaTr and welcome to the Teahouse. As Stormy clouds says, there is no particular frequency with which such information should be updated, but I would not bother unless there has been a significant change or the figures are old enough that their accuracy would be questioned, say more than 2 years old. Such stats are usually of little importance to a Wikipedia article, unless it is about a person notable largely for Youtube posting, or about a Youtube event. if you do update such information, please include an "as of" to indicate when the information was last checked. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

In my view information about "numbers of views, subscribers, etc" should not appear at all in a Wikipedia article unless an independent reliably published source has reported them, and should be updated only when the source updates or a new source is published . Without such a source, I would regard them as original research, unacceptable in a Wikipedia article. Furthermore, until such a source has reported them, I don't think they are encyclopaedic in most cases. --ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Here I disagree, ColinFine. I think YouTube is a reliable source for the view counts of specific items, and the subscriber counts of specific channels. If someone is notable largely for YouTube success, then this info is relevant and encyclopedic. In most other cases, they will not be relevant. (And an independent source will almost surely merely be repeating what YouTube says, there really is no other source for view counts.) NsTaGaTr, be aware that the issue may be disputed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

The reason for my question is that there is an IP editor making nearly daily updates on a particular page, updating the view count and such. They're not like grand jumps between updates, so it seems just a touch "out of hand". I was simply hoping to see if there was some guidance along the lines of "once a week", etc. I'm glad to see that I just didn't overlook such guidance. (*and thanks for the inputs*) - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 19:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I need help updating a wiki page with missing information

Hello I am in current need of help updating a professional football players Wiki page. I keep trying to do it myself but I am running into issues. The page in question is for Jordan Matthews. I shouldn't attempt to update it due to conflict of interest from what I have been told thanks. 19:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lstevenson (talk • contribs)

@Lstevenson: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you have been told on your user talk page, you need to review the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy; the latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use for paid editors(i.e. you could be prevented from editing Wikipedia if you fail to declare this). It appears that you were also told on your user talk page how to properly submit a request for an edit to the page in question. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: Hi, yes I was told that but I am unsure if I had submitted it correctly.

@Lstevenson: It does seem that you submitted it correctly. In seeing your submission, I would note that Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about a subject. Wikipedia has no interest in what an article subject (or their representative) wants to say about themselves, or how they want to be portrayed. It's great that Jordan Matthews does good work for charities, but it needs to be reported on with in depth coverage by the media or some other independent reliable source. His own website and/or that of the charities he is involved with are not acceptable for sourcing that sort content of a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not for merely telling the world about noble causes or good works done by athletes. I would suggest that you look for media stories about his charity work and add them to your request. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: That's great information thank you! Your the first to give me that in depth explanation of how Wikipedia works. Much appreciated.

Artist Content

Greetings we are not familiar at all with how this operates. One of our recording artists has a wiki page created for him. We are not sure who created it. It is an honor for us to have him on wikipedia, but it currently says that his profile someone apparently payed for something, and its under review....This may look bad for our recording artist. How can this be fixed? We are willing to provide any info you may need for him. Thank you for time

Ricardo Ancla Group

Artist Joivan Jimenez GMA Dove Award Nominated Artist

[email redacted]

– — ° ′ ″ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.68.29.2 (talk) 20:01, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Ricardo. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media site, so subjects (and their representatives) typically have nothing to do with the articles about them. I have, however, removed the "undisclosed paid editing" tag from Joivan Jiménez, as there doesn't seem to be any basis for it. – Joe (talk) 20:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

That being done by Joe, you or others from the Ancla Group should not make edits to the article, as you have what is considered a conflict of interest and possibly a paid relationship with the artist. A process available is for a person from the Ancla Group registering as a Wikipedia editor, declaring COI, and PAID if that applies, and then sugggesting edits to the article at the Talk page of the article, providing references to support the text. The hope is that in time a non-affiliated editor will review the proposed content and add it to the article. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Reassessing articles

Is anybody editor to reassess articles, and how often should they be reassessed? I'm asking this because the page orange-fin anemonefish was assessed almost 10 years ago as "stub class." Since then, the article has grown to 8 times its size, gotten 6 more references, been divided into 5 full-length sections, or 8 including sub-sections. I think that the quality rating should be start class or C class - the reasons I don't think higher is because the sentence structure is a little bit off and there's a full section about a subject that is fully covered in another article.--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 23:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello SkyGazer 512. Thanks for your question, and welcome. I think you have a point about this article's quality assessment, so correspondingly I have changed the assessment grading to 'Start' class. Actually, you could have done that assessment yourself as it doesn't require any official qualification or permission to do - just common sense. Apart from 'Good Article' and 'Featured Article' there is no formal barrier to have to jump over - it's all very subjective, and a bit woolly. According to this page of statistics there are currently 575,245 articles which remain completely unassessed, so it's highly likely that many more have the wrong quality assessment. My person view is that all these assessments should be clearly displayed on every article's page so that users can see how complete or incomplete an article is considered to be, or can modify the grading according this grading guide. However consensus in a recent discussion is against me on this issue, and we only show it for FA and GA standard pages. Hope this helps, Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. That's definitely helpful information to know.--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 00:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Personally, if I am the person who has made an article substantially longer (better?) I do not upgrade the rating, because that feels too much like patting myself on the back. On occasion I shorten an article and downgrade it, but with an explanation at Talk. David notMD (talk) 01:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

A stub is "too short to provide more than rudimentary information about a subject". I frequently see articles rated as stubs that are clearly no longer stubs. I have no problem upgrading them to Start, whether or not I am the editor who expanded them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

To see the class of an article, turn on Xtools in your preferences, under Gadgets -> Appearance: XTools: Dynamically show statistics about a page's history under the page heading. Vexations (talk) 14:21, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I know this is two days after my original question, but is approval needed to assess a page as A class?--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 19:21, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, SkyGazer 512. Good question and, to be frank, I wasn't sure myself because 'A' grade articles are not far below the peer reviewed level of GA - Good Article (which I have been involved with a bit). As always, a little bit of research and reading helps. So, at WP:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ tells us the following: In general, anyone can add or change an article's rating. However, assessing an article as "A-Class" generally requires the agreement of at least two editors, and the "GA" and "FA" labels should only be used on articles that have been reviewed and are currently designated as good articles or featured articles, respectively. So, what to do? I would advise going to the relevant WikiProject that the page you're considering relates to, and proposing the A grade assessment, and seek opinions from editors there with experience, and changing the assessment if consensus goes that way. You could put a similar post on the talk page of the article itself. Another thing you could consider is taking the lead to get whatever article it is up to GA level and seeking advice from Peer Review as to what further improvements you could make. How does this sound? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, once again, very helpful information. Actually, there isn't a specific article I'm considering to be assessed as 'A' grade right now, I was just curious for if I may come across something like that sometime in the future.--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 21:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and I have yet another question :). Is there something like Special:AncientPages but for talk pages instead of articles? This would be very helpful for reassessing articles that may have been assessed a long time ago and the article has grown greatly.--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 21:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, SkyGazer 512 - you din't ping me to this follow-up question, so I nearly missed it entirely. To be frank, I don't know, but I doubt it very much. (I've done a quick look around and can't find anything that might produce the results you seek - though it could be a neat way of working if there were enough people willing to do it.) If you look in detail into the page you linked to, you'll spot that it is no longer updated. In fact the load on the servers appears to have been so great that it was abandoned some years ago. Although the page appears to be currently updated, I don't think it really is. (Every page seems to link to a DAB page, too, for some reason). So I'd guess that a query that regularly updated a list of the oldest, unedited talk pages, whilst being useful for the purposes you've identified, might be too difficult to produce frequently. That said, if you or others feel that having that list could be useful for addressing old assessments, you could enquire at Village pump (technical). Curiously, I've just nipped over there and happened to spot this related discussion. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Infobox appears at bottom of page

Hi, I recently have had an issue with infoboxes; whenever I add them they appear at the top right of the article in edit mode, however when published appear at the bottom of the page. I've checked the HTML and it appears to be at the top as well. Can anyone please help me fix this? Thanks, Matthewethanchowtoy (talk) 00:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Matthewethanchowtoy:, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed the issue (and 1-2 additional tweaks) in HMS Blackpool (J27). The infobox structure starts with an opening "{|", but lacked the closing "|}" syntax. Most of such syntax elements must usually be paired to be formatted correctly. GermanJoe (talk) 00:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC) (re-ping @Matthewethanchowtoy: GermanJoe (talk) 00:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC))

How can I contact Joshua Jonathan?

Hi

I wish all of you are in good health and in good soul.

I am Mr.Than Naing Oo.I am from Myanmar Country.

I want to know: how can I contact Joshua Jonathan?

With best wishes,

Mr.Than Naing Oo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thannaingoo360 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Thannaingoo360. Welcome to our Teahouse. Wikipedia does have an active editor by that name. You may leave a message for them on their talk page, which you can find by following this link: User talk:Joshua Jonathan. Please be aware that you seem to have made a number of changes to articles which other editors do not feel are helpful, or they were done in a way that does not fit with our practices. So please do listen and act on any advice that Joshua Jonathan may give you. Be aware that editors who do not understand how to contribute effectively are sometimes blocked from editing because their actions, no matter how well-meaning, are seen as disruptive and damaging. I wish you well in your endeavours. Respectfully yours. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Riddle riddle

Wicked or weakness?

Hello @Morrisnorukariuki:, do you have a Wikipedia-related question? This page is not a social forum, but editors are glad to help with any Wikipedia-related issue. I have posted some basic information on your user talkpage (please do not make test edits in Wikipedia articles). Thank you for your consideration. GermanJoe (talk) 00:34, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Does the Teahouse need a spring clean?

I have started a discussion, and invite both hosts and new editors who use the Teahouse to comment on whether our Teahouse page layout and some of our content could be made much more intuitive and helpful - especially to newcomers. Please see this discussion thread on our Talk Page, and leave any comments on that page please, rather than here. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

About Templates and page design stuff

Hi I want to know more about templates, how create them also how to style CSS stuff eg user style templates and that kind of stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by DashDog01 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, DashDog01, welcome to our Teahouse. So far, since joining, you've made 60 edits here, 59 of which are to your userpage and talk page, plus this one to the Teahouse. We encourage users to work on building an encyclopaedia, rather than making fancy, flashy userpages. However, if you want to learn more, do please visit Wikipedia:Templates. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Question regarding David Meade FA plans

I have a question regarding Meade here. If anyone would like to reply there feel free to do so. —LovelyGirl7 talk 05:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Jan Lexell

Hello! I'm writing about an academic from Sweden. My article has been rejected several times and now I think that it should be accepted. But I'm wondering if someone could take a look at it and give som feedback on what I can change to make the article better. Nimbo.lo (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Nimbo.lo Oh for god's sake people need to read WP:NPROF (to clarify I'm talking to the reviewers, not you). He is clearly notable - you've done a excellent job that I can see, with a nicely cited article; I've accepted it. (also, you can move articles yourself, no need to move it back) Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:18, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Galobtter Thank you so much! I've also wondered why they said he wasn't notable, since in my opinion he is. Thank you again! :) Nimbo.lo (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, one more question. I'm trying to get the authority control to work. I've typed it but it doesn't link to the wikidata information. Why is that? Nimbo.lo (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Nimbo.lo:, I am not 100% sure about all technical details, but as far as I know the authority control template can only draw data from an already-existing and linked Wikidata page, otherwise the template will stay invisible and inactive. See Template:Authority control for more info. Thankfully a Wikidata page already existed (sv-Wiki has an analogous article), so I just had to link it via the "Languages" tab in the toolbar. GermanJoe (talk) 00:53, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I saw that it's working now, thank you! Nimbo.lo (talk) 11:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

J Bert - French-American Rapper

Make an article about BErt — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBERTOFFICIAL (talk • contribs) 01:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@JBERTOFFICIAL: Cite multiple professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about him but not affiliated with or connected to him. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

JBERTOFFICIAL. You have come her and rudely instructed (not politely asked) the volunteers who write and edit Wikipedia to create a certain article. Do you see why people might not be willing to comply? --ColinFine (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Translation

mikä on ilves tanskaksi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.244.161 (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, the Teahouse is only for Wikipedia-related questions. Please use Google Translate or a similar tool. GermanJoe (talk) 03:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest using https://translate.google.com/ Cheers! Bobherry Talk Edits 13:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Question

Can anyone create a page of his own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noorain Jawaid (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Anyone can write a bit about themselves on their own user page, as you have already done, but this must not look like a Wikipedia article, so use first person (I) rather than third person (he). Editors are discouraged from writing their own WP:Autobiographies, even if they can find sufficient WP:Reliable sources to establish WP:Notability. Anyone can request an article at WP:Requested articles. Dbfirs 15:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Noorain Jawaid, welcome to our Teahouse. In addition to the answer given to you above, I would comment that any user is able to create a userpage to reflect their interests in editing Wikipedia. However they may not use it to promote themselves, a company, or use it as social media. Nor should they (as you have done) give away a lot of personal details about yourself. This is not a good idea, which is why most people here use a pseudonym, and avoid giving away too much private information that others could potentially utilise for inappropriate purposes - even online bullying. You might like to read Wikipedia:User pages for more advice. Of course, if you meant to ask whether anyone can create a Wikipedia page on this encyclopaedia about anyone they like, then the answer is a definite NO!. All pages (other than userpages) must be about topics or people which we regard as "notable". This means they must have been written about, in some detail, by independent sources who have therefore "taken note" of them. So you, your teacher, your friend who thinks he can play an instrument, or some minor local political candidate are very unlikely to meet those criteria. For more information on this, please read Wikipedia:Notability and WP:NBIO. I hope this gives you the answer you seek, and do please delete the personal details from your userpage. Because even deleted information can be read by anyone (unless a special request has been made to have it completely removed), you might even wish to consider starting again with a new, more anonymous username entirely, though then only ever edit from that new account. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Julie L. Green & Clay Lohmann

Dear Teahouse,

I am a new Wikipedia user and have recently had two articles about artists living in Oregon deleted. I've reposted the draft articles for both, and am having trouble figuring out how to continue after the deletion.

Is this something you could take a look into?

Thank you for your assistance, KaitlynCK (talk) 00:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello KaitlynCK. Weclome to our friendly Teahouse. Firstly, I should point out to you that if an article is deleted, it is not an acceptable practice to recreate and repost the same content again. It will simply be deleted again, as appears to have happened. My best advice to you is to workup the article in your own sandbox (every user has one - see link at top of page), or create a draft that you can work on via Articles for Creation. You can keep an article in your sandbox for a very long time whislt working on it, or as a formal Draft article for up to six months with no editing. Only once it is moved to the main part of Wikipedia will other users be able to view it. You will receive feedback from the folks at Articles for Creation if your draft does not currently come up to our standards of notability, based on reliable, third-party sources that are in-depth and independent of the subject being written about. Should you have any connection to any subject you are writing about, you should read and act on our policies here: Conflict of Interest & Declaring paid editing. You might also like to read Your First Article, which gives helpful advice on ensuring how to prepare an acceptable article. Be aware that there are 6 billion people on this planet - not all of them are ever liable to be regarded as notable, and thus are ineligible to have a page accepted about them here. I hope this gives you the sort of steer you were looking for. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, KaitlynCK, and welcome. Both articles were deleted, one twice, the other three times, as being promotional by Deb. I see that you have created Draft:Julie L. Green and Draft:Clay Lohmann. On a very quick look these do not seem to me to be blatantly promotional, but I am not sure if they provide sufficient citations of independent sources to establish the notability of the subjects. Please read our guideline on the notability of artists.

What was written above Only once it is moved to the main part of Wikipedia will other users be able to view it. is not quite correct. Any page on Wikipedia that has not been deleted can be seen by any user at any time, and any deleted page can be seen by any admin. However userspace pages such as sandboxes, and draft pages are not indexed by search engines such as google and do not show up on the default searches used internally on Wikipedia. A user must take a bit more effort to find such pages. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:53, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear two,

Thank you for your quick response! I will continue working on the Draft pages for these two articles. The Julie L. Green however was already up and running with multiple edits and eyes before Deb's deletion. As admins, could you kindly take a closer look into this one to identify the reason for its removal?

Thanks for your help, KaitlynCK (talk) 01:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

KaitlynCK The first time Julie L. Green was deleted by Deb the logged reason was (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: blatant COI; links previously removed have been re-added). Then Deb restored the page, then deleted it again with the logged reason (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: blatant COI; links previously removed have been re-added), all within 1 minute. I suppose the restore and re-delete were to correct a mis-click giving the reason as G12 (copyright) when it should have been G11 (advertising). I don't know what the bit about "links previously removed have been re-added" referred to -- that is not one of the standard Speedy deletion criteria. Some 20 revisions were deleted, which is not at all unusual for speedy deletion.

You should be aware that Wikipedia style is always to refer to the subject by last name only after the first mention, except when multiple people of the same last name are being discussed. You should also be aware that if there is an external link to a subject' personal or professional web site, there will usually not be addition links to social media such as Twitter, Instagram, Facebook or LinkedIn. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

An admin has moved the Green article from Draft to article. I shortened the article to match what I consider Wikipedia style. Also left a comment at Talk, as I did not see that the provided references substantiated the list of publications about Green. David notMD (talk) 02:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

You're quite correct, DES, there was a mis-click. I see that User:MatthewVanitas has now moved the Julie Green draft back to main page, complete with the inappropriate external links that I had previously removed and which she had then restored (to Instagram and to galleries selling the artist's work). What's more, the contributor has already declared that she is being paid for her edits on three articles and therefore any of them that survive should be tagged accordingly with a COI template. I notice that User:KaitlynCK is still editing the article even though I warned her not to. I would like to hear Matthew's reasoning for approving it. Deb (talk) 08:01, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

As a non-artist bystander, I deleted content that was not supported by citations, and changed Class to Stub. IMO what remains is a valid article about a notable artist. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: I appreciate your efforts. It's always difficult to evaluate an article written by someone who declares up front that she's been paid to write it. But to my mind, coming here to "ask the other parent" after she'd been told not to edit it any more was the action of someone who is here for one specific purpose, i.e. to promote the work of her friends/employers. It might be worth noting that the article on Anna Fidler was previously deleted after she was warned about copyright infringement - a warning she has deleted from her talk page for reasons unknown. Deb (talk) 11:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

As a person married to and father of artists, I have a feeling for the types of milestones that signify notability. IMO, Julie qualifies, but not Clay nor Anna (TOOSOON). One hopes the author of these efforts is now farther along on the learning curve. And I 100% agree the COI notices are appropriate. David notMD (talk) 12:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear David notMD and MatthewVanitas, thank you for your assistance in resolving the issues on pageJulie L. Green. Deb, thank you for your continued attention on the accidental "click". I appreciate the advice brought to light by this post. Wikipedia is a weird and wild place.KaitlynCK (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Deb I had not seen the statement that this was paid editing. The proper declaration as specified by WP:PAID must be made, of course, and KaitlynCK is strongly advised not to edit the article directly in future, but to make suggestions on the article talk page. I discussed the external links above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

About reusing Wikipedia tables outside the Wikipedia.

What I want to do: There is an article on Wikipedia - List_of_pies,_tarts_and_flans. Assume that I want to get from that article only table that contain list of pies. I want to get only it data (only facts, only copying "words" from the "name", "origin" and "type" columns, but not from "description" column ), without pictures. Let's assume that I want to create pies database using data from this table. And than I want to build some website, in which user can get "list of random pies". This "random pies" will, of course, be gotten from that database. At one time, user will get only some limited amount of such pies. For example - generating list of 10 pies - by one pressing of button "generate random pies".

Another example: Using of 2005_in_film article ( that big tables, below the words "2005 Wide-release films"), or similar "***_in_film" articles, for creating database of films. And use this database for creating, maybe, "random movies" website. Where one can get random movie generator.

So I need help with next: Is this tables are under license CC-BY-SA as part of an article, and their use is controlled by this the same license? Or use of this tables fall under the Sui_generis_database_right? In any case, how can I organize correct using of this and similar tables, of their data, for purpose mentioned above? What articles do I need to look on.

What I already know: Already I got some answer on my personal Talk page. Where was said, that this tables may be fall under CC-BY-SA license, because of presence "sentence alike" text on it (this is only mine interpretation of answer that I got). But, problem is that, that I am interested only in that parts of tables that contains only some formal data, that may be can fall into Sui_generis_database_right. In list of pies, I am interested only in all columns except "description" column. And if, will be used 2005_in_film, than all its columns "Opening", "Title", "Studio" and "Cast and crew", and other are not like sentences.

Revlos (talk) 08:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Revlos: No one on Wikipedia will or should give you any legal advice of any form (see Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer).

This being said, I am fairly sure you are allowed to use those articles within the terms of the CC-BY-SA license. I am no lawyer, but from my understanding, database sui generis means that a collection of data can be under copyright even if each single data entry is below the threshold of originality. That is exactly parallel to the fact that books can be copyrighted, even if they are "only" a succession of words, each of which is not copyrighted. As such, Wikipedia:Copyrights covers you when it says Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify Wikipedia's text under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thanks, and yes no legal advice. So, like I understand, that tables can be or on CC-BY-SA or on sui generis. But, as you said, if they on sui generis, that only means that that tables, that collection of data, can be on some copyright. And in our case, they fall under - general Wikipedia copyrights. So again fall under CC-BY-SA. - am I understood correctly? And even if not correct, I understand that you say, that this tables most likely can be used by CC-BY-SA.

Also, even if I can use that tables under CC-BY-SA, another problem arise. This problem is described in details on question-about-using-wikipedia-content - written by me. Can you please look on that question, and say me something about its "So, here is my question:" and "What I think about that" parts. Only about obligations. And please reply here.

And, of course, all that you will write, will be used only on mine responsibility, and only on my discretion. I just need some thought to work on.

Revlos (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Revlos. With only a very few exceptions (mostly images like company logos and cover art from books and recordings added under a "fair use" exception), all material on Wikipedia is licensed under a CC by SA copyleft license. That means it can be reused anywhere by anyone for any purpose. The only requirement is attribution, which can be accomplished by adding a note that the material came from the Wikipedia article on "whatever article it was copied from". John from Idegon (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Moving my user talk page

I would like to move my user talk page to here because I have been renamed. However, i can't do that because it says the page already exists. How do i move it if the page already exists? Porkchop GMX2 16:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm confused Porkchop. PorkshopGMX was renamed to PorkchopGMX872, and now you want move the talk page for PorkchopGMX2 to PorkshopGMX? Is PorkshopGMX even an account anymore? GMG ^talk 17:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I forgot to say this but, PorkchopGMX872 was my former account, it used to be named PorkchopGMX. I wanted to rename PorkchopGMX to PorkchopGMX872 because i didn't use it anymore. When that happened, a redirect was placed on User talk:PorkchopGMX to PorkchopGMX872 because the user talk page moved too. PorkchopGMX2 was my other account for when i would use wikipedia at school. I then wanted to rename PorkchopGMX2 to PorkchopGMX because i didn't use PorkchopGMX872 anymore and used PorkchopGMX2. When that happened, the user talk page didn't move. I wanted to move my user talk page to User talk:PorkchopGMX because i got my account renamed but i couldn't because User talk:PorkchopGMX was a redirect to the PorkchopGMX872 user talk page. Which led me to here. That is what is going on. I apologize for my lengthy message. Porkchop GMX2 17:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PorkchopGMX (talk • contribs)

Got it. Should be fixed now. The talk for GMX2 is now at GMX, and GMX2 now redirects to GMX rather than to GMX872. Is that right? GMG ^talk 18:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. Thanks! Porkchop GMX2 18:09, 9 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PorkchopGMX (talk • contribs)

User level required to move pages

Why do you need to be autoconfirmed to move a page? Why can't new users move pages? C2216 (talk) 19:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I would guess that it is advisable for new users to gain some practice in basic editing before they start moving pages. If you think there is a page that needs moving, just mention it here and if you make a good case for the move, someone will move it for you. Dbfirs 20:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, C2216 and welcome to the Teahouse. What Dbfirs said above is correct, but also we used to have a fair number of new users who would immediately on registration vandalize Wikipedia by making nonsense page moves. These can be a major pain to clean up, particularly when a page is moved multiple times. Requiring autoconfirmation seems to drastically reduce the incidence of this sort of mischief. I am not for a moment saying that you would do such a thing, nor would most new users. But it only takes a small fraction of a percent to spoil things -- it is much easier to break things than to build them.

Keep editing productively and you will be autoconfirmd quite quickly. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:40, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Signatures

Am I allowed to use fullwidth characters in my signature? Or is this not allowed? SemiHypercube (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, SemiHypercube, and welcome to the Teahouse. As you can read in Wikipedia:Signatures#Non-Latin usernames]], non-latin charcters, including multi-byte characters, may be used in a signature. However, as the guideline says, . However, non-Latin scripts, such as Arabic, Armenian, Chinese, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Indic scripts, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Thai and others, are illegible to most other contributors of the English Wikipedia. Not everyone uses a keyboard that has immediate access to non-Latin characters, and names that cannot be pronounced cannot be retained in memory. As a courtesy to the rest of the contributors, users with such usernames are encouraged to sign their posts (at least in part) with Latin characters. For an example refer to User:Παράδειγμα, who signs his posts as Παράδειγμα/Paradigma. Please keep this in mind when choosing a signature. Please also note that the same guideline page says (in the section "Customizing how everyone sees your signature") A customised signature should make it easy to identify the username, to visit the user's talk-page, and preferably user page. and A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. Please be restrained in signature formation. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Minimum Requirement

Hi again what are the minimum requirements to request or be a administrator, my other question do you always have to have a or alot of source or reference to edit start an article or keeping it from being deletedDashDog01 (talk) 23:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, DashDog01. I don't mean to be rude, but I hardly need to answer that question, as you stand no chance right now. So far you have made 98 edits to Wikipedia, 96 of which have been to your user page, and two to the Teahouse. Administrators are only given that role via a call for supporting 'votes' from the wider community of editors in whom they place their trust to help run the place smoothly. It can be a gruelling process, as the community will delve into every aspect of an editor's past activities here over many years. Whilst there are no formal criteria or standards to be met to becoming an administrator here, I would suggest that most editors would expect a huge amount of experience in article creation, dealing with vandalism, answering questions from users, understanding and applying policies and guidelines to difficult situations, dealing with articles for deletion or creation, peer review, and, of course, being respectful to all comers is needed. There's no fixed number, but generally anyone with fewer then five to ten thousand mainspace edits is unlikely to stand much chance of being 'given the mop' (as becoming an administrator here is lovingly called). If you would like to read more, try Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates, but please don't waste anyone's time by applying. Giove it three or four years, maybe. But I hope once you start editing constructively you might be set on the path to becoming a great contributor and a great admin one day, too. We all have to start somewhere! The answer to your other question is Yes, - you need good references to start an article. They are essential to establish both 'verifiability' and 'notability'. For more information on these, do please look at the links I gave you in the welcome message left on your talk page yesterday. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

upload logo with trademark

Hi! I'm creating the wiki page for a company and I don't understand how to upload the logo and specify that it has the trademark. Can you please explain to me how to do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frameucci96 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Frameucci96: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will let someone else answer your question about the logo, but I wanted to give you some other information. First, Wikipedia is a place to write articles about subjects like companies, not a place to write a "wiki page for a company". Article subjects do not own or control the articles that may exist about them.

I would ask you if you are associated with the company you are writing about. Aside from your post on this page, there are no edits in your edit history, so I don't know which page you are attempting to create(if you are doing so here on Wikipedia, please link to it) but if you are associated with the company, you will need to review the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and possibly the paid editing policy at WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Frameucci96: Please make sure you have read the above advice. For our policy about using logos, see this link. You will need first to upload the logo on Wikipedia, assuming the logo is copyrighted (which is almost certain): go to Special:Upload and select "non-free / fair use -> logo" in the "licensing" form. Afterwards, see the here for how to include the picture inside an article. Do not hesitate to come back if you have further questions. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Frameucci96: if you're writing your article as a Draft first, be advised that non-free images can't be added to Drafts, they can only be added once a page becomes a full article. So if you're Drafting, focus on the text first and only worry about the image if/when it's accepted. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Another question

What is the minimum requirements of edits or contributions to get like a higher rank/higher status, barnstars ,awards etc that kind of stuffDashDog01 (talk) 23:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Good question! Barnstars, WikiLove, etc templates are granted by other editors just on a personal basis, so you could get one for just one really constructive edit, or you could do a hundred solid edits and just nobody happens to give you an award for it. Barnstars are best thought of as just fun or collegial handshakes, not as a be-all/end-all.

If you just want something cool to add to your userpage, check out Wikipedia:Service awards for a tiered list of awards you're allowed to grant yourself depending on how many edits you have (you can click your Contributions button at the top right of your screen to get your count). Again it's not anything vitally important, but it can be kinda fun.

You can also add to your Userpage any badges identifying you as a member of a WikiProject. All you do is just go to a WikiProject for a given interest (like WikiProject Architecture or WikiProject Albania) and sign yourself up, and the main page should have the code for a little badge saying you're a member.

If you want to see some examples, check out my page User:MatthewVanitas. I stick to serious-ish badges, but there are tons of "just for fun" badges that folks use, like "this user likes cupcakes" but I'm not sure where there's a central repository of such badges.

Long story short, there are a ton of little markers to put on your page, and they don't really matter big-picture but can be a fun way to dress up your Userpage and let people know more about you and what you're interested in on Wikipedia. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:05, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi, again DashDog01. We are a community of volunteers here. So, if one editors sees another editor making a great contribution in one area or another, it is totally at their discretion to award that editor a Barnstar. It's effectively a 'pat on the back' which we all appreciate when given genuinely. Nobody here has a higher rank than anyone else, not even adminstrators. However, there are various 'permissions' which editors may gain, once trusted. You can read more on these at Wikipedia:User access levels. Gaining these permissions is not a 'badge-collecting' process, but one of gradually contributing to building this encyclopedia, and doing so with various abilities that we are given if we are trusted to use them wisely. As for Wikipedia:Awards, well just follow that link for more details. My advice for you now is to actually start editing and contributing, rather than worrying about hypothetical possibilities. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

How was your day?

So, how was your day? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThunderHenry (talk • contribs) 13:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @ThunderHenry: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a social forum. If you have any questions we will be glad to answer them. I have posted some information on your talkpage. Cheers! Bobherry Talk Edits 13:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello ThunderHenry Thanks for asking - my day was good; I hope your was too. Thank you for your small but very helpful edit to the page on Setganga. This is a great way to start editing, and I hope you make many more. By starting small and slowly doing more and more you can, over time, become a really valuable contributor here. It takes a while to get to know how things work around here, so feel free to pop back with any questions or concerns you might have. Please don't be disappointed or upset if you receive a formal note from another editor to say what you've done isn't quite right. This can happen rather a lot at first until you settle in, but no harm is meant by any editor's terseness. Later on you might even get praise in the form of a Barnstar from another editor to thank you for something you've done. By the way, you might like to check out The Wikipedia Adventure which is a fun interactive game for getting to know the basics of Wikipedia. There are fifteen separate badges to be gained, which automatically get added to your userpage if you complete each mission. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Should I be banned?

I added no information and just added random sentences and information that doesn't make sense on the Cheeseburger page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMan24698 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello MrMan24698, welcome to our Teahouse. Many new editors make silly mistakes when they start off trying to contribute to the world's greatest encyclopaedia. The trick is to learn from them and not to repeat them, especially when changes you've added get reverted as not being in the best interests of the project. Of course, if you actually want to be blocked (not banned) from editing, then the best way is to continue making edits that don't make sense, or are not supported by references or are generally unconstructive. And pretty soon that will be your fate. The choice really is yours. I'll drop by your user talk page and leave a few helpful links for you so you get the idea of what's expected from every editor, whether new or long-established. Oh, and you might want to delete that comment on your userpage, as that'll not be taken as a constructive or appropriate use of a userpage. Please sign all future posts with four tildes so that it gets automatically added. i.e. like this: ~~~~ Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:34, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I think this user was testing if Wikipedia blocks people who do bad stuff perhaps? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, well, the answer to that is simple: Yes! And it applies to any other account they might then try to open, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:40, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

After a review of MrMan24698's edits, I have blocked the account temporarily for vandalism on several articles. I have asked them to stop vandalizing and invited them to edit constructively once the block ends. We will see how that goes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Attaching image to wikipedia

Please suggest how to attach image on wikipedia . — Preceding unsigned comment added by G9H (talk • contribs) 05:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Where is the image you want to use? Maproom (talk) 06:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)