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Granny (video game series)[edit]

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Unfortunately non-notable as per WP:GNG on the basis of the lack of reliable sourcing and in-depth reviews. Know Your Meme and WikiHow are pretty cut and dry WP:USERG. A WP:BEFORE finds minor coverage in Game Rant [1] and some incredibly brief listicle content in TheGamer [2] and Sportskeeda [3]. But this is well below the level of coverage needed as a whole. There isn't good guidance on notability for a series, but if there was one or two reviews out there for the other games, I would argue that a series such as this is not notable where (1) there's no in-depth coverage of the series as a whole body of work; and (2) none of the individual works in the series are independently notable. At any rate, open to views. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sago Sago[edit]

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Unfortunately the article currently falls well short of WP:GNG and WP:CORP. The article's three cited sources are either bulletin-style without commentary or trivial; regardless generally not WP:SIGCOV about the background of the company. A WP:BEFORE finds a lot of Sago products online but only a Verge product review and a staff interview from Kidscreen (?) seem to enter the standard of coverage needed. I imagine there may be more out there though. There's also a naming issue: if Sago Mini is the current name of the company, the article should not be called Sago Sago unless there is enormous coverage on the former state which is not the case. An obvious WP:ATD is to WP:MERGE what little there is to Toca Boca or Spin Master. Welcome any thoughts, particularly from users that are more experienced with notability pertaining to companies in this sector. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 23:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We need to keep it forever by expanding it Tomasz22334 (talk) 23:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the references too Tomasz22334 (talk) 23:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And even renaming it to Sago Mini Tomasz22334 (talk) 23:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand it can be a bit disappointing if there is consensus that the article is not notable. WP:GNG is generally a threshold for determining what articles should be included on Wikipedia because there is sufficient coverage to show that the subject merits an article. On keeping an article that doesn't quite meet that standard but could in the future, there's always the ability to develop an article in WP:DRAFT and we can definitely WP:DRAFTIFY the article as an option that doesn't involve deleting anything you've done. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please expand it, add more references and rename and move it to Sago Mini to keep it forever as a result. Tomasz22334 (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's something that's up to you or an interested editor to do. The AFD discussion here is about the subject itself has enough coverage to merit an article in the first place. Although hopefully this discussion can settle whether there's reliable coverage out there. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rick Jay Glen[edit]

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No sources at all, lacks notability, extreme amounts of fluff - looks very much like just a self-promo page. Hornpipe2 (talk) 03:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(comment) having some doubts over whether the IPv6 editor, and also the user "rickory", have a conflict of interest going on with this Hornpipe2 (talk) 06:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unreleased third Minecraft album[edit]

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Proposing a draftify or merge to C418 as an alternative to deletion. Unfortunately I think this album is non-notable for several reasons: (1) The album does not 'exist' yet per se; as it has not been announced, and most of the evidence relating to potential release or more information are primary interview sources that are several years old; (2) the album has not reached a point where sourcing provides any concrete details about its content at all, making it fall short of notability guidelines for unreleased material and too soon to justify an article; (3) as such, the article makes inaccurate or speculative assessments about the album, such as assuming the runtime will be >199:40 from a 2017 tweet or implying that the release will contain the songs packaged for the Update Aquatic version; and (4) the article's content is currently more a coalescence of things that Rosenfeld has said or done after the sale of Minecraft to Microsoft, which may be better covered as a section under C418. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Obvious WP:NOTCRYSTAL delete, especially since if released it will have a real title and this will be an inappropriate redirect. Mangoe (talk) 02:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with a delete here. The album is already brought up on C418's article and most of the sources used here are unrelated to the album itself or are somewhat poor. Has a lot of issues relating to fan speculation that I don't think can be solved since the album appears to be dead. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 02:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that if this page is to be deleted, than the C418 article needs to be update to include more of the information within this article. WikiWilliard (talk) 07:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:A33B:5CEE:B91F:8E63:A72D:D49 (talk) [reply]

Merge to C418, its too soon to have this article, maybe when the album actually releases, the article can be recreated. Samoht27 (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Metzger[edit]

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This is a non notable voice actor. The article doesn't even meet WP:THREE. The only source I see is for a convention that sources one of her works.

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Delete: Could find no sources to establish notability. Esw01407 (talk) 16:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As always, the notability test for actors and actresses is not automatically passed just by listing roles, and requires the provision of WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about her and her roles, but none is present here and I've had about as much luck as the above commenters at finding anything better. Bearcat (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails per WP:NACTOR, WP:GNG, and WP:THREE. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do You Like Horny Bunnies?[edit]

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 13:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes GNG with two sources; they might be hard copy, but they help the article pass, and there are surely digital sources out there easily. Nate • (chatter) 17:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete The above analysis is in error: both print sources in the article are WP:TRIVIAL mentions of the title in a listed example of adult games, they fall clearly short of WP:SIGCOV and do not establish WP:GNG. Without doing a WP:BEFORE, stating digital sources out there might establish notability is a WP:SOURCESMUSTEXIST argument. I have looked on WP:VG/SE and the Internet Archive and could only find a situational source review from Jason Venter of Honest Gamers here. One review is not enough coverage to substantiate notability. Maybe there's much more in terms of WP:NONENG sources out there. As ever, happy to change my view if more reliable coverage is found. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Both the game and its sequel got reviews from Absolute Games (review for 1 here, 2 here). Waxworker (talk) 02:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great find! If there's one more out there, that seems comfortably notable for me. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The WIRED article and book excerpt are not actually about the game, but about eroge in general, and mention the game trivially. One Absolute Games review is not going to cut the mustard. MobyGames only lists said review and Animetric, and I am unsure of the reliability of the latter. An Internet Archive search also had only trivial mentions. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 07:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Vrxces's statement. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 14:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to ZyX (brand) the developer as ATD. Jumpytoo Talk 05:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to ZyX. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails per WP:NONENG, WP:VG/SE, WP:SOURCESMUSTEXIST, WP:BEFORE, WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:TRIVIAL. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atlus USA[edit]

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Reads like a video game essay, insufficient standalone notability. Only source I found that might have sufficient coverage is the Game Informer one, suggesting merger with Atlus. IgelRM (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems quite notable, cites over 77 sources, many of which are secondary. I will note that if language is an issue, just tag it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could have tagged for style but generally interviews, which are a large part of the sources, don't give sufficient notability. IgelRM (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A fairly in-depth article that explains its significance outside of the parent company; several dozen hits when looking at a cursory Google Books search. I do not see a strong reason to delete. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am assuming you are referring to "notable in its localization approach in preserving as much of the original", but I struggle to find a notable source for that and mentioned Game Informer article doesn't say it. It would help me if you could pick an example book with significant coverage. IgelRM (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Neutral: I know I'm biased, and if things go another way I'll accept the decision. If style and writing is the issue, then it needs a rewrite. Or maybe trimming down in places like that huge game list. --ProtoDrake (talk) 06:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Biased means article creator here for outsiders) It only makes sense to rewrite if it is notable. The game list seems fine although ideally it should be sourced and maybe spun-out to a separate page. IgelRM (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Somewhat off-topic but the name in the lead was changed from "USA to "West" (as well as on the Atlus article), which does not appear to an official name. IgelRM (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can the keep editors give WP:THREE for those of us who don't want to slog through 77 (!) references? -- asilvering (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above, article passes WP:GNG smoothly. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Mastrogiorgio[edit]

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Non-notable actor whose career has been a string of tiny roles and insignificant voice acting gigs. Fails WP:BIO. Capt. Milokan (talk) 21:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:BASIC and WP:NACTOR. Starring roles in My Italy Story, Rocky the Musical, and Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories. The reviews for My Italy Story seem to be only ones that mention his performance (Hartford Courant review the only one that isn't a permanent dead link: [4]). --Mika1h (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Police Trainer[edit]

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Lack of notability, was unable to find any reliable sources showing notability. Was already dePRODded in 2010. Waxworker (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Being the subject of arcade games, the game really has a popularity. It fulfills the notability. Being an old article, may have been based on a reference for so long, its mention is spot on in search and other places. I have improved the article. Ontor22 (talk) 17:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ontor22: - I've removed the sources you added - Hard Drive is a satire website similar to The Onion, and the article was a joke. GameFAQs is an unreliable WP:USERGENERATED source and unreliable per WP:VG/RS. The reliability of the Arcade Club database is unclear to me, but it isn't substantial coverage regardless. Waxworker (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Be mindful of WP:ITSPOPULAR, understand what you mean but notability-type arguments not based on policy around WP:GNG can have issues. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you added are not reliable, sorry. It was a good move to revert that. Contributor892z (talk) 06:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:GNG. Short articles in EGM2 and Retro Gamer: [5], [6], not significant coverage. --Mika1h (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Lacks significant coverage by independent reliable sources. Contributor892z (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Boss (Metal Gear)[edit]

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The current sources at reception were just listicles and rankings. I tried to find any sources about this character per WP:BEFORE, but I cannot find any sigcov. Relying mostly with this single journal here [7] wouldn't help notability. Greenish Pickle! (🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per Conyo. This article isn't meeting notability as of right now. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Characters of the Metal Gear series#Introduced in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater as an WP:ATD. I found a GameRant article [8] but not sure if this would really count. I'm also not sure if GameRant is reliable or not. Conyo14 (talk) 03:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is situational as a source, but Valnet sources does not help notability according to WP:VG/RS. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 03:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, half a source. But my !vote shall remain merge. Conyo14 (talk) 03:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per WP:ATD. There is some sourcing but it's questionable whether it reaches WP:SIGCOV. This can be covered at the main game article. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] She has also been discussed with sigcov in these lists: [14] [15] [16] [17] I have not looked into any book or scholar sources yet, nor have I checked Japanese sources. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After checking further, I felt like I'm satisfied a bit with the sources that were brought here now. But, I'll let afd stay here let others state their opinions here. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've decided to create a source analysis of Cukie's sources, and it has changed my !vote:

Source analysis by Conyo14

Source assessment by User:Conyo14
The Memory Card .15: Snake pulls the trigger	Plot WP:SUMMARY/brief routine mention of a plot. N
[18]	Brief analysis, but uncertain of reliability. Partial otherwise.
Breaking Down my Favorite Boss Fights of all Time	WP:BLOG N
Best Metal Gear Solid Boss of All Time Face-Off: The Winner Revealed	Although it is a ranking, there is enough to meet WP:SIGCOV Y
La legendaria soldado The Boss]	Meristation is considered reliable and the article does not read like a blog. Y
The 10 Greatest Final Bosses in Video Games	Brief mention, not in-depth analysis.
The best boss fights involve getting picked on by someone your own size	WP:BLOG N
Seven Video Games Where You Beat Up Your Dad	Brief, but maybe on the line between partial and full. I'll put it as good. Y
The 25 most inspirational female characters in games	WP:ROUTINE N

Not that it matters to affecting your !vote, the Game Developer blog is one that was chosen as a featured blog by GD editorial staff, and the author is a published SME in gaming. As far as The Mary Sue goes, it is listed as a reliable source on WP:RSP. I also do not believe that the use of WP:ROUTINE is appropriate; none of the citations I listed are news sources, all of these sources were posted years after release, written (presumably) because the author wanted to write about it. The Destructoid source, for example, is written as part of a series of significant parts of video games for their staff, with the author saying things like "Shooting The Boss, while over in a blink of an eye, really is a pretty innovative and surprisingly memorable moment. While it could have easily been incorporated into the always impressive cutscenes, making one, small creative decision to have the player perform this final killing shot makes the scene infinitely more powerful" as well as discuss the relationship between the player, Snake, and The Boss, their musing over whether the player is required to kill her or just let her die, and speculation on what Kojima was intending to depict by making the player execute her. I would strongly dispute the notion that ROUTINE applies in any capacity here. WP:SUMMARY also applies to an extent, but not to the entirety. The source is being utilized not for the description of the plot of The Boss, but for the author's feelings on her and her death. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide the thread for The Mary Sue? Conyo14 (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussions should be linked on the perennial sources page in The Mary Sue's entry - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found it [19]. I will update the source analysis. Conyo14 (talk) 20:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources listed above by Cukie Gherkin. X (talk) 05:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balloon Brothers[edit]

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Lack of notability - sole sources on the article are arcade database listings, KLOV is reliable per WP:VG/RS while Arcade History is unreliable. I was unable to find any coverage in reliable sources demonstrating notability. Waxworker (talk) 20:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment See vgmrips.net for the Japanese company East Technology. See YouTube for a 33-minute video of the arcade game.2603:6011:8241:6E00:1CBC:91A:F597:2B20 (talk) 07:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The three refs used are of no use and outside of them all I could find were gameplay vids and forum stuff. No apparent sig cov in English. This shouldn't go without consensus. X (talk) 04:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enigma Engine[edit]

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Video game engine used in a handful of games circa 2003. No actual coverage whatsoever. My redirect was correctly undone as it is not mentioned in the target article. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This one is very cut and dry – I found nothing from reliable sources about the subject itself and I think anything that is found could easily be incorporated into the Blitzkrieg video game article that this engine seems to have been created for. Nothing in book searches as well (where you'll commonly find coverage of this kind of thing). Nomader (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Nival (company)#Technology as a WP:ATD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect again or delete: The features description is hardly encyclopedic and the one source is an interview. IgelRM (talk) 20:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ClanLib[edit]

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Nothing in the article suggests this meets WP:NSOFT/WP:GNG, and my BEFORE did not find anything useful (WP:SIGCOV-compliant). Can anyone save this? Otherwise we can consider a redirect target, perhaps? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Piotrus:, are you asserting that what the article purports to be full chapters in two different game programming books doesn't amount to SIGCOV? I don't have access to or know these sources, so maybe you know something not obvious from the description here. ~ A412 ^talk! 08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@A412 I did not realize the second one is a book (dead link, all refs are malformatted and don't suggest they are books). The third one does link to a book page but I could not verify the contents (it is just publisher page). I also remain unconvinced that coverage in how-to/textbooks is sufficient to prove something is notable, unless those books are widely used. There is a lot of low quality spammy how-to/textbooks in the computer sciences field, particularly now in the AI days (although those works are likely old enough to at least not be AI creations). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" does indeed have a chapter on it, although I can't access the full text, unsure about the other one. There seems to be some decent sources in Google Books and some in Scholar. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@StreetcarEnjoyer Is the publisher (Premier Press)? Their website suggests they do print-on-demand stuff, so self-publishing. See [20] or Our work helps you achieve your marketing goals.. Assuming this is the right company, this one does a lot of non-book gadget printing?? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, Amazon lists pub as Course Technology PTR, a subsiduary of Cengage Group. Course Technology PTR has Premier Press as an imprint. While I'm fairly confident who the publisher is, I can't say whether or not there's editorial control. @Piotrus I suspect you have an unrelated Premier Press website there, by the looks of it they're not in educational publishing. ~ A412 ^talk! 02:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some stuff I found if you'd like to look at it and decide upon its reliability. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment: List of games built with ClanLib: https://web.archive.org/web/20060626025824/http://www.clanlib.org/games.html - all of them seems to be hobby projects or even learning projects. I doubt that any of that on it's own would have Wikipedia article. Quickly looking at the list I do not see anything commercial or noteworthy. Pbm (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah I would personally delete it. Looking for useful game engines and this page wasted my time. 24.113.50.192 (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A link to the website perhaps from its entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines since that's how I ended up here. 24.113.50.192 (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTUSEFUL. The article "wasting your time" is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. What matters is if the books that discuss the subject are independent and contain WP:SIGCOV. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just some thoughts. I remember ClanLib. Back in the day, it was a 'big thing' for GNU/Linux users. At the time, Pingus was one of its showcase projects. Eventually, late 2007, Pingus switched to SDL. But early on, both gained popularity as SEUL(-supported) projects. Pingus still has its website there, and starting 19 July 2003 ClanLib was hosted there. I agree that ClanLib is not - or, no longer - notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, but perhaps it could get a single sentence at Video games and Linux § 1998–2002. Then the ClanLib article could redirect there. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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