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Speedy renaming and merging[edit]
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Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Muslims from the Chinese Empire to Category:Muslims from Imperial China – C2C: grandparent is People from Imperial China Mason (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from the Chinese Empire by religion to Category:People from Imperial China by religion – C2C: parent is People from Imperial China Mason (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders to Category:Yoruba Muslim clergy – C2C: parent is Muslim clergy Mason (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Eritrean human rights organisations to Category:Human rights organisations based in Eritrea – C2C: siblings are all Category:Human rights organisations based in FOO Mason (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pipe industry of Russia to Category:Industry in Russia – C2F. Mason (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles by former country to Category:Battles by former country involved – C2C: Parent Category:Battles by country involved. NLeeuw (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Naval battles by former country to Category:Naval battles by former country involved
- Category:Sieges by former country to Category:Sieges by former country involved
- Category:Aerial operations and battles by country to Category:Aerial operations and battles by country involved
- Category:Tank battles by country to Category:Tank battles by country involved
- Category:NBA from Spain to Category:NBA players from Spain – C2C. 寒吉 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA from Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:NBA players from Bosnia and Herzegovina – C2C. 寒吉 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA from Argentina to Category:NBA players from Argentina – C2C. 寒吉 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association football players by city or town to Category:Association football players by populated place – C2C: parents are Association football by populated place (−) (±)Association football players (−) (±)Sportspeople by sport and populated place (−) (±) Mason (talk) 05:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Charleston Historic District to Category:Historic districts on the National Register of Historic Places in South Carolina – C2E. Mason (talk) 03:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Universities and colleges in the United States by state to Category:Universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Educational organizations in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 03:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education in Wales by city or town to Category:Education in Wales by populated place – C2C: parent is Education in the United Kingdom by populated place; and the norm for city or town is to rename them to populated place Mason (talk) 01:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manager of the Year Award winners to Category:Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award winners – C2D. Main article is "Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award winners to Category:Major League Baseball award winners – C2A: Reversing rename. Error on my part; I accidently changed the name of the wrong category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Steven Spielberg family to Category:Spielberg family – C2C: Never seen a category for a family named after its most prominent member. Its always just the surname. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tag team videogames to Category:Tag team video games – C2A: That's not proper, we say "video games" QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wood extractives to Category:Wood extracts – C2A: the proper noun is "extract". -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Israel to Category:Ministers of labour of Israel – C2B: no caps. These categories were previously opposed for a different renaming proposal per C2C, User:Fayenatic london, User:AusLondonder and User:Hey man im josh were contributors to that discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Finland to Category:Ministers of labour of Finland
- Category:Ministers for Defence of Luxembourg to Category:Ministers for defence of Luxembourg
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Lithuania to Category:Ministers of defence of Lithuania
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Israel to Category:Ministers of defense of Israel
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Papua New Guinea to Category:Ministers of defence of Papua New Guinea
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Tajikistan to Category:Ministers of defence of Tajikistan
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Turkmenistan to Category:Ministers of defence of Turkmenistan
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Vietnam to Category:Ministers of defence of Vietnam
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Mongolia to Category:Ministers of defence of Mongolia
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kyrgyzstan to Category:Ministers of defence of Kyrgyzstan
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kazakhstan to Category:Ministers of defence of Kazakhstan
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Azerbaijan to Category:Ministers of defense of Azerbaijan
- Category:Films based on 1984 anti-Sikh riots to Category:Films based on the 1984 anti-Sikh riots – C2A: Missing definite article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lackford Hundred to Category:Hundreds of Suffolk – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Whitton Ward, Ipswich to Category:Wards of Ipswich – C2F. Mason (talk) 01:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Treasure voyages to Category:Ming treasure voyages. – C2D: The main article for this category is Ming treasure voyages Mason (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt – C2F: No need for a separate games category QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: better nominate them at full CfD then. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War to Category:Politicians killed in the American Civil War - this new name is shorter and less ambiguous, as the category lists both Union and Confederate politicians who died in the ACW. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Whereas the argument is compelling, I do not think this is a speedy case. Ymblanter (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions – C2D: Princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 9#Category:Rebel princes. NLeeuw (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion:
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_27#British_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_6#Actors_by_ethnicity
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_7#People_from_British_Overseas_Territories_and_Crown_Dependencies_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_8#People_from_Overseas_France_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_9#Caribbean_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:Romanian_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin_and_occupation
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:Northern_Mariana_Islands_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:East_German_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
May 19[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Video games using procedural generation[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Games with randomly-generated maps is nothing special, it's not even that for one to add this into their game. Almost every RTS, turn-based strategy, city-builder, and open-world survival game has had it. And some of haven't even been listed. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Savoyards in Thirteenth Century England[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category needs to be renamed to match the naming conventions of other categories. I'm not married to the rename but it's the best I could come up with that matches the vibes of the category and the main page Savoyard knights in the service of Edward I Mason (talk) 02:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fanny (band)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Too little content: only two cats and two articles (and the two cats only have 4 or 6 articles themselves). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former universities and colleges of Jesuits[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is not only awkward and not parallel to the name of the related category for current Jesuit institutions ("Jesuit universities and colleges") but its meaning is also unclear. ElKevbo (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If someone has a (legitimate) concern that "Former Jesuit" is also ambiguous - does it mean "a university or college that was once a Jesuit institution but is no longer a Jesuit institution" or "a Jesuit university or college that is now closed" ? - then "Formerly Jesuit universities and colleges" would resolve that ambiguity. The category does currently include institutions in both of those situations so this may be important. ElKevbo (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is ambiguous in any case and the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important. Manually merge to Category:Jesuit universities and colleges insofar the articles aren't already in country subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over. The category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits. Category:Universities and colleges established by Jesuits would be a better name except it is rather long. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's an entirely different subject and you're welcome to establish that category if you feel strongly about it but it doesn't seem terribly relevant to the discussion at hand. And I completely disagree that "the category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits" as its primary use is to identify colleges and universities who are identified with that particular religious order. It's less about the history of that order and more about the intended function and role of these colleges and universities.
- "Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over" doesn't seem like a very helpful or productive perspective at all. Every religion will eventually fade into disuse or change until it's unrecognizable. The sun will eventually explore destroying all life and structure on the planet. The universe will eventually fade into heat death. None of that is very useful when considering what we should or should not do here and now in this encyclopedia. ElKevbo (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Carib people[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Carib people
- Propose deleting Category:British people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Dominica people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:French people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Venezuelan people of Carib descent
- Nominator's rationale The term "Carib" is ambiguous as it can be used to refer to either the Kalinago (Island Caribs) or the Kalina (Mainland Caribs). Despite both being commonly called "Caribs", the Kalinago and the Kalina are different peoples with different languages and cultures. There isn't a single "Carib" group encompassing both the Kalina and Kalinago. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is clear, but is deletion the best solution? What about splitting to Kalinago and Kalina? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cartoonists by country templates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 template which is already within Category:Comics creator navigational boxes. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, then rename to Category:Cartoonists templates which could also hold Template:Underground comix cartoonists, Template:Cartoonists from Kerala, Template:Cartoonist-stub and its 3 related national templates, and Template:Seth (cartoonist). These are the only templates with cartoonist in the name, although there may be other navboxes for comics creators who are more specifically cartoonists. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Renaming and populating isn't a bad idea at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Same question: delete or rename?
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Category:Uyghur women poets[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Uyghur women poets to Category:Uyghur poets
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between type of writer, ethnicity, and gender. There's not a Uyghur women category or women poets by ethnicity. Mason (talk) 00:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
May 18[edit]
Category:Anglo-Dutch Wars orders of battle[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Anglo-Dutch Wars orders of battle to Category:Orders of battle
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disinformation operations[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Disinformation operations to Category:Disinformation
- Nominator's rationale: this is follow-up on this previous discussion. After purging it is more clearly about disinformation, but does not clearly distinguish itself from its parent Category:Disinformation. Hence manually merge (only insofar appropriate). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Coddlebean, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Hmains: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- do not agree 'Disinformation' is a about a fact: false and misleading information. 'Disinformation operations' is about a process, something that people are organized to carry out, generally by a political entity of some kind. Very different articles involved, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Invasions by country[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions by country to Category:Invasions and Category:Wars by country involved
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never have more than its current 2 subcategories: Category:Invasions by country invaded and Category:Invasions by invading country. It exists only by virtue of the ambiguous meaning of the word "country", which is only explained by the two subcategories. It therefore does not aid navigation, and should be upmerged to its parents so that direct navigation to the subcategories is possible. NLeeuw (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated and delete all new subcats, merely creating extra container categories doesn't improve navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: Then cite which specific rule is against doing that. Your initial claim was that this category cannot grow larger than 2 subcats. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and delete subcats Per WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish prisoners and detainees[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Jewish prisoners and detainees to Category:Prisoners and detainees
- Propose merging Category:Jews who died in prison custody to Category:People who died in prison custody
- Propose merging Category:Jewish Gulag detainees to Category:Gulag detainees
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think that the intersection of being jewish and a prisoners and detainees is defining under WP:EGRS. Do we have categories for Christian gulag detainees? I also think that Jews who died in prison custody in not a defining intersection between location of death and ethnicity. Mason (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I hope I don't derail the entire discussion by bringing up the Holocaust, but... being Jewish as a prisoner is perhaps one of the most defining identity aspects in the 20th century. Just saying... The religious aspect does not appear to be as important as the "ethnic" or "cultural" aspects of Jewishness, so the comparison with Christian prisoners only goes so far. NLeeuw (talk) 20:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ukrainian-Jewish emigrants to the United Kingdom[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being a Ukrainian emigrant to the United Kingdom, Being a Jewish emigrant to the United Kingdom, and being Ukrainian-Jewish. Mason (talk) 20:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per History of the Jews in Ukraine and List of Ukrainian Jews. If these intersections are defining enough for two main articles, then it is not trivial. Such a person migrating to the UK is not an unreasonable extension in my view. NLeeuw (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Freely licensed images of non-free subject[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: "Subject" should be plural. Ixfd64 (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- No objections, as the concern is based on English usage. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2B WP:PLURALCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- No objections, as the concern is based on English usage. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mountaineering organizations[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering organizations to Category:Climbing organizations
- Nominator's rationale: These are both climbing and mountaineering organizations so the separation is no longer useful, better to have one single category called Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations Aszx5000 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mountaineering film directors[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There are several major 'climbing' directors (e.g. Jimmy Chin) that would fit in here but the category needs to be renamed (no need for two separate categories as there is a lot of overlap in the film sector). Aszx5000 (talk) 19:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about mountaineering[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works about mountaineering to Category:Works about climbing
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Works about mountaineering should be merged into Category:Works about climbing, which should then be renamed as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mountaineering films[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering films to Category:Climbing films
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Mountaineering films should be merged into Category:Climbing films, which itself should be renamed as Category:Climbing and mountaineering films. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Egyptian films by year[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Misconceived category scheme without precedent or siblings. Despite the name of the parent category here, the contents are not actually "by year" -- Wikipedia does not categorize films for the intersection of country with individual year of release anyway, so that wouldn't even be supportable. Instead, what's actually here is two subcategories for Egyptian films by century -- but that's not a thing we do either, because that's far too wide a classification to be useful when it comes to film, and no other country has anything like this.
And for added bonus, by far the majority of Egyptian films haven't even actually been filed under here at all: Category:Egyptian films by genre has around 500 films under it, while this has just 37.
We can and do cross-categorize films on the intersection of country with decade, so no prejudice against the creation of that scheme here if desired, but by-century is too broad to be a useful grouping when it comes to films.
The Category:Lists of Egyptian films by year subcategory is fine, but is already in Category:Lists of Egyptian films, so no replacement of this is needed. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Note that the request was on grounds that are not actually applicable. While it is true that some other countries do have "films by century" categories, no other country has them to contain individual films as these do — where they do exist, they exist exclusively as container-only parents for the by-decade categories that Egypt doesn't have, and no other country has individual films being directly catted "by century" at all. So, again, if somebody is willing to buckle down and create by decade categories for Egypt, then these could be kept as parents for those by decade categories — but until by decade categories do exist, these do not need to exist with individual films filed directly in them, because that just isn't how films are categorized. Bearcat (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sportspeople who died in wars[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A non-defining intersection of unrelated characteristics. User:Namiba 15:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I do think that the Olympians category could make an interesting list, but the category itself isn't defining at the intersection, unless the sportperson died while they were actively participating in the sport. Mason (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- What should we do about Category:Lists of sportspeople who died in wars? AHI-3000 (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Does not seem defining. I am also dubious about all the contents of Category:Lists of sportspeople who died in wars for similar reasons. However, the articles should be dealt with there before messing with the category. This is not a "but what about this one" situation where just because another bad category exists, this one can be kept. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of films by date[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of films by date to Category:Lists of films
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't agree that it is redundant, it helps keep the parent category less crowded.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is 14 or 15 subcategories, that does not make the difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Deuteronomistic history[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Deuteronomistic history to Category:Nevi'im
- Nominator's rationale: The category explanation is not universally accepted, see the last paragraph of the section Deuteronomistic history. If not merged, rename to Category:Former Prophets as a more useful title – see the section Former Prophets in the article Nevi'im. – Fayenatic London 11:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Keeping it as Category:Former Prophets isn't very necessary since Category:Nevi'im is not overpopulated. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete. All contents are already in the target category, except Deuteronomist, which shouldn't be. NLeeuw (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:India MPs 2019–present[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:India MPs 2019–present to Category:India MPs 2019–2024
- Nominator's rationale: The 2024 Indian general election was declared and is currently going on. The term of the previous MPs definitely ended in 2024. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why such a rush? Let's not close this discussion until the 2019 parliament is formally dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Defer / oppose per Marcocapelle / WP:CRYSTAL. NLeeuw (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per parent categories Category:Musicians by ethnicity and Category:Canadian people by ethnicity. With the exception of the Asian subcategory this is about people's own ethnicity, not about their ancestors' nationality. The Asian subcategory may be moved directly under Category:Canadian musicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Executed French people[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Alsace to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Aquitaine to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Auvergne to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Burgundy to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Champagne-Ardenne to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Franche-Comté to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Languedoc-Roussillon to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Limousin to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Lorraine to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Midi-Pyrénées to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Nord-Pas-de-Calais to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Picardy to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Poitou-Charentes to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Rhône-Alpes to Category:Executed French people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, primarily because this is diffusion by defunct administrative divisions (defunct since 2015), and secondarily because diffusion by administrative division leads to a trivial intersection. Manually merge insofar the articles aren't already in one of the other subcategories e.g. Category:French people executed by Nazi Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Drakengard[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Drakengard to Category:Drakengard and Category:Nier
- Nominator's rationale: There seems to be enough articles for a split, with 11 going to Nier and 7 going to Drakengard. Bringing to CFD as I am uncertain in this split, and with Nier not having a series article yet. Category:Nier would also likely be a subcategory of Category:Drakengard. (Oinkers42) (talk) 22:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Drakengard still concerns both series and is solely titled "Drakengard". If it is split off into a Nier series article I'd have no qualms with this, but it's putting the cart before the horse. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think a series article needs to be created before a category is created. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose per Zxcvbnm. As is, the Drakengard article covers both the Drakengard and Nier as part of the same series, and makes no implication that they should be separate. I am sure there is enough coverage that one could make a separate Nier article, but that none exists at this point suggests to me that it isn't necessary, or that it is better to keep them together. Regardless of the reason, the categories should follow suit. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
May 17[edit]
Category:Major League Baseball Executive Vice Presidents for Baseball Operations[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:NONDEF; this isn't a high level front office position like general manager or president of baseball operations. Its also not a high level position like commissioner of baseball if we're talking about central office. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Possible physical damages through anal sex[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Please see WP:OCASSOC. The medical conditions included in this category have a variety of causes; their possible association with anal sex is not a defining characteristic. (I was alerted to this questionable category by a note on my talk page.) gnu57 23:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are already in Category:Anal diseases or Category:Rectal diseases as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia[edit]
- Propose renaming: Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia should be changed to Category:Crystal City, Virginia so that it is consistent with the primary page, which is Crystal City, Virginia. Thanks. Keystone18 (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lexington Avenue explosion[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: All of the articles are sufficiently interlinked and the category contains just 3 articles. User:Namiba 20:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Heliports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Heliports in Massachusetts to Category:Heliports in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, one article is already in Category:Military heliports in the United States and the other article does not belong in a Heliports category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Let'srun and Nederlandse Leeuw: thoughts on straight-up deletion? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Massachusetts General Hospital has a helipad. Helipad is in Category:Heliports, so I've got to disagree with Marcocapelle on that one. What we could do is Purge Camp Edwards Heliport first, and then Upmerge the hospital as proposed. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Let'srun and Nederlandse Leeuw: thoughts on straight-up deletion? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:20th-century Canadian people by religion[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Conspiracist media[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains medias that are mainstream, and most of these are from certain countries. Coddlebean (talk) 06:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete; perhaps upmerge A lot of these are indeed conspiracist media, like InfoWars. But categories are not a place where we can verify their status as conspiracist. That's a job for reliable sources in articles. WP:RSP can help. But verification of membership is probably a time-consuming effort. If we don't do that verification regularly, this risks becoming a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. But perhaps we should upmerge the category to its parents? NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerging does not solve the problem, it just moves the problem to another place. Besides Category:Alternative media is certainly not a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, considering the fact that many articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Conspiracy theories I don't think this category adds much value in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are not mainstream media; they are something else. Whether or not they are mostly from certain countries is beside the point; they are from wherever they are from. Specific media outlets are quite different from specific theories and, as such, are not (and should not be) in the random set of articles I looked at in Category:Conspiracy theories. Hmains (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, to distinguish between media promoting conspiracy theories and those merely investigating them. Paleontologist99 (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:American Splendor artists[edit]
- Convert Category:American Splendor artists to article American Splendor
- Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme of Category:Artists by comic title or some such and this is analogous to WP:PERFCAT. Just make sure they are all listed (with citations) at the article on the comic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to me that this is a useful category as it includes people not usually associated with their artwork, such as Alan Moore and Joyce Brabner. American Splendor was a unique title in many ways, given it was written by a single person but with dozens of different artists; it seems fitting that it merits a relatively unique category.
- As a compromise, what if the category was just converted to "Category: American Splendor", not specifying artists? stoshmaster (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- If artists are purged the category will become empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- What I meant was convert this category simply to "American Splendor" and it will house all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) stoshmaster (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- That would not solve anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What I meant was convert this category simply to "American Splendor" and it will house all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) stoshmaster (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- If artists are purged the category will become empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a defining characteristic of the subjects in this category. Moving this to article space is a good compromise between instant deletion and keeping. As a preliminary measure the category content may be copied to Talk:American Splendor before the category is deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)- I again propose that this category be rethought/renamed to Category:American Splendor where it will encompass all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) -- stoshmaster (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds much like WP:OCASSOC and, again, it would not solve the problem at hand. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC) (added after relisting)
- I again propose that this category be rethought/renamed to Category:American Splendor where it will encompass all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) -- stoshmaster (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional toothed whales[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article and it is not about a fictional character but about a literary work. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - While the name of the work is the fictional character (so the character should be tagged, not the work), a single-entry category is not helpful. Tag the character article with the parent category, remove the tag from the work article, and remove this category. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Fictional whales per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Not sure what I was thinking when I created this. Ucucha (talk) 10:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ucucha: at second thought I think the merge target needs to be Category:Fiction about whales, don't you agree? The article is about the work of fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jat politicians from Rajasthan[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: As per long standing consensus here, biographies of living people cannot be categorised by caste.Ratnahastin (talk) 14:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish delicatessens in Oregon[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent category; only has one category layer. No need to upmerge to Category:Delicatessens in Oregon as its already in Category:Delicatessens in Portland, Oregon. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nuclear technology companies of Argentina[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page in the category FightBrightTigh (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete agree with nom. Pointless with one entry. LibStar (talk) 10:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is already in Category:Defense companies of Argentina and it is not about a nuclear technology company per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Engineering companies of Algeria[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page in the category FightBrightTigh (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is already in Category:Defence companies of Algeria and Category:Truck manufacturers of Algeria and that is exactly what it is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Engineering companies of Israel[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page in the category. FightBrightTigh (talk) 10:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and move the article (but not the subcategory) to Category:Manufacturing companies of Israel. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:East German people of British descent
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory which is already part of Category:Immigrants to East Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent
- Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency. Both parent and child categories are "by descent". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see anything inherently wrong with the category. It could get larger if we made categories for other numerous minorities in Romania like Germans or Roma. I also see we already have an American equivalent, Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation. Super Ψ Dro 21:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — nothing wrong with having only two subcategories, and as noted by Super Dromaeosaurus, there is potential for at least two more. — Biruitorul Talk 21:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Montana articles lacking sources[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The category is not connected to a template so not helpful as maintenance category. If kept should either have a template created, or be tied to Template:WikiProject Montana. Gonnym (talk) 08:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cricket lists incorrectly assessed as articles[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I can't find this category used by Template:WikiProject Cricket. This was probably used by a previous version of the code or a now deleted sub-template and is no longer used. Gonnym (talk) 07:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of African descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of European descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of North American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Oceanian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of South American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Algerian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of African-American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Beninese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Cape Verdean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Egyptian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Ethiopian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Ghanaian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Guinean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Kenyan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Libyan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Moroccan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Nigerian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Sudanese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Tunisian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Afghan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Armenian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Bangladeshi descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Chinese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Filipino descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Indian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Indonesian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Iranian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Iraqi descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Israeli descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Japanese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Jordanian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Kuwaiti descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Lebanese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Bengali descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Pakistani descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Palestinian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Saudi Arabian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Syrian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Vietnamese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Yemeni descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Albanian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Bosnia and Herzegovina descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of British descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of English descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Scottish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Bulgarian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Circassian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Croatian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Czech descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Danish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Finnish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of French descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Greek descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Irish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Montenegrin descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Norwegian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Portuguese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Russian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Serbian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Slovenian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Spanish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Turkish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Yugoslav descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Canadian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Cuban descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Guatemalan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Australian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of New Zealand descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Brazilian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Peruvian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Middle Eastern people of Uruguayan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize descent categories by regions; we only group them by continents and countries. I do not see any valid reason to make an exception for the Middle East. They are all just container categories. Note: Category:People of Middle Eastern descent is the opposite; I do not propose to delete it! Aldij (talk) 07:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Normally I would have said, disperse between Asian and African, but I believe that the subcategories are already in these trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 02:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Abolish Self Government Coalition politicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT LibStar (talk) 07:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is not helpful for navigation. (Note that WP:SMALLCAT is defunct because it contained a number of too subjective clauses.) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Defunct World TeamTennis teams[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Defunct World TeamTennis teams to Category:World TeamTennis teams
- Nominator's rationale: 1.) we don't categorize by current status and 2.) the league is defunct, so all teams are defunct. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, I do not know about (1) but (2) alone is an obvious enough reason for merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- We do actually categorize sports teams by current status. However, while the league is not officially defunct, it might as well be since there hasn't been an update since 2022 on its functions. Hence merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Women's Premier League (cricket) sub-categories[edit]
- Propose renaming
- Category:Women's Premier League current squad templates to Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) current squad templates
- Category:Women's Premier League cricketers to Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) cricketers
- Category:Women's Premier League seasons to Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) seasons
- Category:Women's Premier League preloads to Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) preloads
- Propose renaming
- Nominator's rationale: In order to match the Parent article / category's naming pattern. Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 04:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, seems like a speedy WP:C2D case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cask strength[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Cask strength to Category:Whisky
- Nominator's rationale: This category is really not helpful for navigation. I tried to find a 2nd parent category, and it made it clear to me that we really don't need a category for Cask strength Mason (talk) 02:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Whisky and Category:Scottish malt whisky respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:1940 Michigan-Ontario Collegiate Conference football season[edit]
- Delete per nom, categorization by year suffices in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Michigan-Ontario Collegiate Conference football seasons[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory. Let'srun (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-established tree. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, categorization by year suffices in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Singles by decade by record label[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Singles by decade by record label, Category:2000s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2010s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2020s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2000s Island Records singles, Category:2010s Island Records singles, Category:2020s Island Records singles, Category:Atlantic Records singles by decade, and Category:Island Records singles by decade to Category:Atlantic Records singles, Category:Island Records singles, various singles-by-year categories as appropriate and delete the main container cat.
- Nominator's rationale: No need to break them up by decade--that would be better handled with a discography anyway--and no need to have the scheme Category:Singles by decade (in the 21st century only) and record label. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: no accurate reliable sources to verify such a classification, even the category descroption says "This category is not necessarily indicative of total loss of population, traditions, language or culture - each specific case may have particular individual contexts" that its unable to be clearerly define or even confirm that the launguage, culture, people, knowledge, country is actually extinct Wikipedia should not be categorising as such. Gnangarra 13:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Gnangarra 09:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[1]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tribe is not used in Australia, the poor use of terms in Wikipedia articles is one of the many barriers people working with Indigenous cultures struggle to address as shows Wikipedia in a bad light and not respectful of the culture. Basically ticks all the racists, Inforwar, challenge faced out on the street its up to us to lift our standards. Gnangarra 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[1]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is questionable if ethnic groups become extinct at all. A language may become extinct for sure, but ethnic groups mostly dissolve in other ethnic groups. - But this comment applies to the whole tree of Category:Extinct ethnic groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Frustratingly, the term "extinct" seems to be used somewhat inconsistently for both cultural extinction and the death of all group members (at least, from a google search). Is there a better term we could use to distinguish the two? Category:Extinct ethnic groups is currently a subcategory under Category:Human extinction which implies the latter, so perhaps it should be renamed and/or categorized differently if most of the members are groups that are only culturally extinct. Psychastes (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seneca-Cayuga Nation is not an Indigenous Country in Australia, you are making comparisons that are not like for like. Gnangarra 09:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- And? I'm addressing Marcocapelle's statement about the broader category tree. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If not an outright deletion then certainly a renaming to be more clear would seem to be a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What would you propose and why? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Genocide happens. Wishful thinking doesn't change that. "Extinct" is a harsh and ugly word to apply to people; it's natural to recoil in disgust at the idea. It may be very appealing to think that a group "didn't really go extinct" because some of their descendants blended into other groups. But if the group no longer exists as a distinct people with a distinct culture and language, the group really is extinct. Perhaps something like Category:Former Indigenous peoples would be less noxious to the moral sense of the reader. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Genocide happens
— In particular Genocide of Indigenous Australians. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)- @Mitch Ames That leads to two questions. Is there even one example in all of Australian history of an entire group being murdered without any known descendants? Are there any examples of groups who, through genocidal violence and assimilation, ceased to exist as distinct cultural groups? In both cases, there would have to be terminology to describe a group that once was and now is no longer. If not "extinct", there would still have to be some other description. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, we need to be careful not to conflate "genocide" and "extinction". Genocide does not require killing all of the people - it is defined as "intentional destruction ... in whole or in part". Extinction requires that they all die, but doesn't require intent. There may be an overlap, but they are not the same thing, and neither implies the other. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra There are a small number of articles. I do not have a strong opinion on the category, whether it should be renamed or deleted. But I reiterate my question; are there any historical Indigenous Australian groups that can be said to have once existed but that no longer do? What terminology should be used to refer to those historical groups? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I dont have any reliable sources to answer that question, all I know is the articles in this category dont have reliable sources to even be included in the category. The whole purpose of raising it here is exatcly the category itself not some wider theoretical discussion on meanings or what ifs. I gather I can remove them all from this category for lack of sourcing that clearly supports the claim. Gnangarra 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra How would you feel about a category such as Category:Historical Indigenous peoples in Australia, Category:Historical Indigenous peoples, etc. or would that involve the same quandaries? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I dont have any reliable sources to answer that question, all I know is the articles in this category dont have reliable sources to even be included in the category. The whole purpose of raising it here is exatcly the category itself not some wider theoretical discussion on meanings or what ifs. I gather I can remove them all from this category for lack of sourcing that clearly supports the claim. Gnangarra 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra There are a small number of articles. I do not have a strong opinion on the category, whether it should be renamed or deleted. But I reiterate my question; are there any historical Indigenous Australian groups that can be said to have once existed but that no longer do? What terminology should be used to refer to those historical groups? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames I'm not conflating genocide and extinction; I myself belong to a group whose history includes the former but not the latter. But I would question why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies. I don't think a term like "cultural extinction" implies that. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies
— Because when we are talking about people, that's what the word means "Extinction is the termination ... by the death of its last member." Admittedly if we are talking about culture we could say that the group is extinct if nobody belongs to it. (If we all gave up editing and WMF deleted Wikipedia, Wikipedians could be said to be "extinct", but most us would still be alive.)- My main point here is that we should probably not use the word "genocide" in this discussion, because it is neither necessary nor sufficient for "extinction", and is unnecessarily emotive. Yes genocide happened, but that does not determine whether a particular people is extinct or not. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't mean that the group still exists. So what terminology would you use for a group that once existed and does not now? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd prefer using no terminology at all over inaccurate terminology. The articles are fine in Category:Aboriginal peoples of Queensland anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't mean that the group still exists. So what terminology would you use for a group that once existed and does not now? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: having now been through every article not one defines the culture, people, or country as extinct, sadly Tindale works from 1974 is the primary source in every article and the most recent. The issue there their inclusion is based on whoever started the article using a generic type sentence like according to tindale they (some past tense word) from this area in Queensland. Ironically the only article with recent sourcing is about the current issue of domestic violance in Australia which makes no sense as its in this category. Gnangarra 12:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I could change the wording, but as all the articles are basically say Tindale described these countries on his map as being xxxx, their inclusion in the category isnt based on reliable sources or hints of a reference to Extinct. I suggest the category becomes extinct. Gnangarra 14:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Possible alternatives to "extinct", for the purposes of renaming the category (tree):* Historical: we already have Category:Historical ethnic groups of Australia - which possibly should be merged (one way or the other) with Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia. Note that Category:Extinct ethnic groups is a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups, so probably Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia (if it remains) should be a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups by continent * nonextant Mitch Ames (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - for the record I had created this category in response to seeing a universal category being created for Extinct Indigenous groups, including Australian people, it seemed at the time better to identify the Australian component of an apparent claim. Note that by creating the category, I did not necessarily agree with either the category title or its assumptions, which is why I placed in bold comments as to the very specific event/issue raised in articles. I am intrigued by the discussion to date, as it seems either concentrating upon category trees and related subjects, or the issues of how to name groups of people who have been affected by reduction or severe loss of population. As the process in this particular part of wikipedia is relative to categories, there is a problem as to whether the actual subject is best ventured as to the veracity of terminology. It could be for everyones advantage to delete the original parent category, and find somewhere other than this CFD to explore the issues that are raised here. A collaborative approach to the wider wikipedian understanding of how to 'frame' the larger world wide issue of how and when ethnic groups have decimation of population is something well beyond the bounds of this cfd, and to simply arrive at a decision here on one small perspective does the larger project some significant disservice. Definitely not a 'free for all' RFC or similar, it needs a very specific guideline and process that works through the issues raised here, for the larger project. But then this is wikipedia, anything could happen. JarrahTree 02:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Alder carrs[edit]
- Convert Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr
- Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rebel princes[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions
- Alt proposal: split Category:Rebel princes into (A) Category:Rebel princes and (B) Category:Princely rebellions
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: main article princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt proposal rationale by Marcocapelle (opposed speedy rename): this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Fwiw, I would also be fine with keeping as is. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation to Category:Ipswich Corporation
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There is only one page here, which isn't helpful for navigation. I strongly encourage the category creator not to create categories with only one page in them. Mason (talk) 00:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Ipswich Corporation to Category:History of Ipswich. It is very unhelpful to create a separate category for every article. I will tag Category:Ipswich Corporation too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Religious buildings and structures destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. They are all Hindu temples. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nederlandse Leeuw (talk • contribs)
- Rename perhaps as Category:Religious structures destroyed during the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent. The structures destroyed during that period include not just Hindu temples but also Jain and Buddhist ones (i.e., all idol-worshiping Indian religions). Rasnaboy (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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- User:Rasnaboy has just added Jain temples, Halebidu to the category. I suggest to move this article to Category:Destroyed temples and have the rename pursued as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Armenian screenwriters by century[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Armenian screenwriters by century to Category:Armenian screenwriters
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Even if a 2nd category were made, it still wouldn't be helpful as this is the only category in the in parent) Mason (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. By the way the subcategory covers the century that is probably the least interesting to people who study history of literature. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The problem here is that Category:21st-century Armenian screenwriters is using the standardized {{Screenwriters by nationality and century category header}} framework — but that template autogenerates an artificially-transcluded "[Country-named-in-this-category] screenwriters by century" as a standard part of its formatting. But that can't be left to sit there redlinked, so either it has to exist regardless of any size issues, or we have to wrap the template in {{suppress categories}} to bork its category generation and then manually file Category:21st-century Armenian screenwriters in the other categories that still exist. But that would defeat the entire purpose of using the standardized template in the first place, and would have the side-effect of stranding that category from the Category:Screenwriters by nationality and century tree.
I'm not at all wedded to this being essential, and have personally wrapped many category-generating templates in the suppress categories wrapper when necessary, but just wanted to point out that there are "standardized formatting" considerations here beyond size.
Really, it's more a question of whether Category:Armenian screenwriters need any by-century categorization yet — with only six people in the 21st-century category and only 20 in the parent, it's not clear that subbing them out for century is needed at all — but if the 21st-century category does exist, then this is automatically imposed and transcluded by the template as a standard and expected parent for it, so the question is really less about the need for this than it is the need for a 21st-century category to exist at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)- @Bearcat, I'm not sure how the this comment is relevant to the nomination at hand. And, for the record, it isn't the case the FOOian occupation by century needs to exist. That category is only added if it exists, otherwise, the category is added to FOOian screenwriters. Mason (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a person who works regularly with cleaning up redlinked categories at Special:WantedCategories, I have to deal with new redlinked categories autogenerated by occupation header templates of this type all the phunking time. So just telling me that they suppress redlinks isn't convincing when I routinely see hard evidence that they don't. Bearcat (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have examples of this that are recent (like since April 6th)? Because each time there's been an red link, I've added a fix to address it [2]. The present code exclusively uses resolve category redirects and checks if the category exists before it adds it. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would really like to see it so that I can figure out what is not working as intended. Mason (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a person who works regularly with cleaning up redlinked categories at Special:WantedCategories, I have to deal with new redlinked categories autogenerated by occupation header templates of this type all the phunking time. So just telling me that they suppress redlinks isn't convincing when I routinely see hard evidence that they don't. Bearcat (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat, I'm not sure how the this comment is relevant to the nomination at hand. And, for the record, it isn't the case the FOOian occupation by century needs to exist. That category is only added if it exists, otherwise, the category is added to FOOian screenwriters. Mason (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ships built on the River Orwell[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ships built on the River Orwell to Category:Ships built in England
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant layer. Mason (talk) 00:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as level is redundant. So perhaps is also Category:Ships built in Suffolk. Both have just the same single subcat Category:Ships built in Ipswich, which can indeed sit alongside other towns in Category:Ships built in England - Davidships (talk) 10:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will tag Category:Ships built in Suffolk too. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Populated places on the Underground Railroad[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Specific buildings which served as stations on the Underground Railroad are absolutely defined by it but an entire town, city or county is usually not. In some cases, certain locales like New Bedford, Massachusetts were such hubs of the Underground Railroad that they should be kept in the main category but that can be done on a case by case basis. User:Namiba 15:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are historically related places. They were certainly defining for these places during the historical period involved here: 1840s and 1850s in the United States. These illegal activities were something that many people in a place were at least silently aware of and did not bring to the attention of law enforcement. In many cases, the articles do not point to a specific building(s) so there is no use in thinking that will keep tying these together, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is it defining though? In most cases, no. Neither Portland, Maine nor most other cities are not defined by the fact that they had a stop in the Underground Railroad. For cities which are defined as such, they can and should be categorized within the tree. If you can show otherwise, I will withdraw the nomination.--User:Namiba 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims to Category:Destroyed Hindu temples
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's really not a need to diffuse this category by perpetrator Mason (talk) 04:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. There is also Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims and all of it is part of Category:Persecution by Muslims. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm I don't think Category:Mosques converted from churches should be a subcategory of Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims. If "destruction" is to be taken as physical devastation of a building so that it becomes a ruin or a heap of rubble, you can't just make a mosque out of that. I suggest to Template:Category see also these cats to each other instead of giving them a parent-child link. NLeeuw (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm I don't think Category:Mosques converted from churches should be a subcategory of Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims. If "destruction" is to be taken as physical devastation of a building so that it becomes a ruin or a heap of rubble, you can't just make a mosque out of that. I suggest to Template:Category see also these cats to each other instead of giving them a parent-child link. NLeeuw (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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May 16[edit]
Central Bohemian Region geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:Benešov-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Beroun-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Kladno-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Kolín-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:KutnáHora-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Mělník-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:MladáBoleslav-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Nymburk-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:PragueEast-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:PragueWest-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Příbram-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Rakovník-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Benešov-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub templates. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: All of these stub types are contained within Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs and have been combined into one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, I checked "what links here" for the first two and no article popped up. Is there a more easy way to check this? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I identified all of the categories that contained only a stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I identified all of the categories that contained only a stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per standard WPSS practice and populate. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. I've populated the Kolin category to indicate - it now contains 67 articles.Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Czech geo-stubs are uniformly sorted by regions and there is no reason to sort one unsystematically by districts. Yes, the Central Bohemian Region is bigger than the others, but even so, it is not over-sized per Wikipedia:Stub#Guidelines On the contrary, division by district would cause that they would by under-sized stub categories (currently, the average per district is 62 stubs and the number is decreasing).
Template:Wisconsin-road-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Midwestern United States road stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:WestIndies-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:WashingtonCountyID-geo-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Idaho geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:Uruguay-cemetery-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Uruguay geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:North American sports venue stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contents are a stub template that does not populate the category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Should contain Category:United States sports venue stubs, Category:Canadian sports venue stubs, {{Mexican... as a parent only category. Stub template should be deleted. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:New Zealand-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:New Zealand sports venue stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:India-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ecuadorian company stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete category, which is malformed. The template, which should stay and is in use, feeds into the parent Category:Ecuador stubs. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:Bhutan-tv-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Bhutan stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:2020s-Western-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Western (genre) film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:1960s-Tamil-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Tamil-language film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:1950s-UK-single-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:British single stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:ZeniMax Media stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large stub category for ZeniMax Media and its subsidiaries. Most pages are already tagged with at least one genre stub type. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
North Yorkshire geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Hambleton-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Harrogate-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Richmondshire-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Ryedale-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Scarborough-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub templates. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:North Yorkshire geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ranellidae stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ranellidae stubs to Category:Hypsogastropoda stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Only 6 articles. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Shoot 'em up stub subtypes[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fixed shooter stubs (18) to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
- Propose merging Category:Rail shooter stubs (17) to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
- Propose merging Category:Run and gun game stubs (23) to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large stub categories that together are barely smaller than the parent stub category, Category:Shoot 'em up stubs (82). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Quintana Roo radio station stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Too small; only extant stub category for Quintana Roo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, and play some Wall of Voodoo. Also either fix or delete the malformed template (should be {{QuintanaRoo-radio-station-stub}}). Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Queensland river stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Queensland river stubs to Category:Queensland geography stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficient contents to justify a standalone category for this stub type. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Queen Elizabeth Land geography stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Queen Elizabeth Land geography stubs to Category:Antarctica geography stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large to justify a standalone stub category. The associated stub category, {{QueenElizabethLand-geo-stub}}, will probably be kept. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge category. Make that "The associated stub template [...] will definitely be kept" and I agree. It looks like a lot of small stub articles on individual mountains, nunataks, etc., have been merged into articles on mountain ranges, which makes sense. A shame, since the basic Antarctica geo-cat had been completely subdivided and now a second subcat's being merged back into it. Took me months to do that! Grutness...wha? 05:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Keeping the stub template is default in a nomination like this, isn't it? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Qarchak County geography stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Qarchak County geography stubs to Category:Tehran Province geography stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficient contents to warrant a separate stub category. The associated stub template, {{Qarchak-geo-stub}}, will not be deleted due to its systematic nature. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup to Category:GCC Futsal Cup
- Nominator's rationale: The GCC Futsal Cup page (the main page for this category) was moved to "Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup" in 2018 without any explanation or source for the name change. I have not found any evidence that the name of this tournament (which hasn't been held since 2015) was actually changed. Hence, I have moved the page back to GCC Futsal Cup and ask that the category also be moved back. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Alsatian people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Alsatian people to Category:People from Alsace
- Nominator's rationale: merge (or reverse merge), very overlapping categories. Article List of Alsatians and Lotharingians describes Alsatians as people from the region Alsace. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Languages of Alsace[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Languages of Alsace to Category:Culture in Alsace and Category:Languages of France
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tschugguel family[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation, and it is not clear how/if they are related. Delete for now, no objection to recreation if it becomes useful. Mason (talk) 19:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom, so also it is not clear how/if they are related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Ancient law (before 6th century BC)[edit]
- Propose merging Category:13th century BC in law (1) to Category:Law in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:7th century BC in law (1) to Category:Law in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:6th century BC in law (1) to Category:Law in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:13th-century BC treaties (1) to Category:Ancient treaties
- Propose merging Category:7th-century BC treaties (1) to Category:Ancient treaties
- Nominator's rationale: A collection of chronology categories that contain only one subcategory each; the 13th- and 7th-century BC subcategories also contain one article each, but Category:6th-century BC executions is excluded because it contains 5 articles. I think we will need a Category:Law by millennium tree to cover ancient laws, including ones that are even older than these categories (eg. Category:2nd-millennium BC executions, Code of Hammurabi from the 18th-century BC). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but merge the last two also to Category:13th-century BC works, Category:7th-century BC works and Category:7th century BC in international relations. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- You mean Category:7th century BC in international relations? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Yep, that's what I think he meant, which seems like a good idea. Mason (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Corrected accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Yep, that's what I think he meant, which seems like a good idea. Mason (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- You mean Category:7th century BC in international relations? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish mimes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS User:Namiba 17:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rajput clans of India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Rajput clans of India to Category:Rajput clans
- Nominator's rationale: Are there any not of India? * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, there is no point in splitting this between India and Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:YouTubers of Jewish descent[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:YouTubers of Jewish descent to Category:Jewish YouTubers
- Nominator's rationale: This category should either be renamed to match the current norm of Jewish FOOers. Or deleted/merged to YouTubers as being descended from Jewish people is not defining (as opposed to being Jewish, which might be in this case) Mason (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. All of the categories I looked at are already in a national or sub-national YouTubers category.--User:Namiba 16:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Namiba. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Louisville White Sox (1914-1915) players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is an uncontroversial technical request but I don't see the option to indicate that using Twinkle. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Denniscabrams: Twinkle does offer the option of CFD/S in the menu on top of the screen. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ewloe[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People from Ewloe to Category:People from Flintshire
- Nominator's rationale: Ewloe is a small village. Upmerge for now, until there's actually enough people to need diffusion Mason (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Omaha people[edit]
- Nominator's rationale As there is only one recognized Omaha tribe, the Omaha Tribe of Nebraska (that is the official tribal name on the federal register), change this category's name to match the official name and get rid of the clunky parentheses. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- No oppose, but wouldn't Category:Omaha people be simpler? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Category:Omaha Tribe people would work. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Omaha people to match Omaha people, and because similarly ambiguous names like Category:Iowa people/Category:People from Iowa aren't disambiguated in this manner. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:French people of Lorrainian descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains articles about French people who lived long after the Duchy of Lorraine was annexed by France: this happened end of the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, it only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory, which isn't helpful for navigation. Thd subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Politics of Lorraine[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Politics of Lorraine to Category:History of Lorraine and Category:Politics of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is meanwhile a defunct administrative division, now part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Palestinian musicians by genre[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Palestinian musicians by genre to Category:Palestinian musicians
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sikh monarchs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Punjabi people and Category:Jat rulers
- Nominator's rationale: dual merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Alt proposal: upmerge Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Monarchs by religion, purge Category:Maharajas in Punjab (is in the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree). All other parents appear to be inappropriate: not all Sikhs are Punjabis and vice versa (e.g. Punjabi Muslims), not all Jats are Sikhs and vice versa (e.g. Jat Muslim), and not all Maharajas in Punjab were necessarily Sikhs, and it is WP:NONDEFINING for the category (tree) as such; after all, geography defines the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree, and so does Maharajas in Punjab (emphasis by me). In short, there's a lot of generalisation and WP:ARBITRARYCAT going on in this tree. The only thing that really works is placing Category:Sikh emperors into Category:Monarchs by religion; hence my Alt proposal. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The parents seem to be inappropriate but they do fit the content. All Sikhs in this category are Punjabis, all Jats in this category are Sikhs. The content of this category shouldn't be moved out of the Punjabi or Jat tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That they do fit the content is irrelevant; we've got other trees for that. Chand Kaur is already in Category:Punjabi women, for example. Btw Duleep Singh was a Christian for several decades, so we can't assume all of them to have been Sikhs ever. If we really wanna categorise all that in 1 category, then we should rename them Category:Punjabi Sikh Jat emperors or something. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The nomination is to merge Sikh monarchs, so the fact whether or not they were Sikhs becomes moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? That being a Sikh is WP:NONDEFINING for Sikh monarchs? We do have a Category:Monarchs by religion tree, you know? NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point. Then I will withdraw this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? That being a Sikh is WP:NONDEFINING for Sikh monarchs? We do have a Category:Monarchs by religion tree, you know? NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- The nomination is to merge Sikh monarchs, so the fact whether or not they were Sikhs becomes moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That they do fit the content is irrelevant; we've got other trees for that. Chand Kaur is already in Category:Punjabi women, for example. Btw Duleep Singh was a Christian for several decades, so we can't assume all of them to have been Sikhs ever. If we really wanna categorise all that in 1 category, then we should rename them Category:Punjabi Sikh Jat emperors or something. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The parents seem to be inappropriate but they do fit the content. All Sikhs in this category are Punjabis, all Jats in this category are Sikhs. The content of this category shouldn't be moved out of the Punjabi or Jat tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Both the original and the alt proposal ignore the fact that it is part of the Category:Monarchs by religion tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albanian rights activists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian rights activists to Category:Activists for Albanian rights
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category so it is easier to distinguish from Albanian activists. I think that this category is supposed to be Activists who advocate for the rights of Albanian people, as opposed to activists who are albanian nationals. Similar categories like this one are Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights & Category:Activists for African-American civil rights Mason (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)- Support per nom. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the content is about Albanian nationalism rather than about civil rights. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Could this category be merged into Category:Albanian nationalists? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @Smasongarrison, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Bohemian Baltimore: please comment on the alt deletion proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to purging. But there are folks in there like Ali Aliu, who seems to be defined by both his nationalism and his support of rights of ethnic albanians. Mason (talk) 04:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- All 5 people in this category seem to be ethnic Albanians in Kosovo who were/are opposed to oppression of Kosovo Albanians by Serbs, as well as nationalists who sought independence or unification with Albania. But it is a mixed bag. One is a militant rebel, another is an educator. I suppose we could Merge them all to Category:Albanian nationalists in Kosovo, where 3 out of 5 of them already are. The subcategory has nothing to do with Kosovo per se, and should be Purged. NLeeuw (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is a very satisfactory solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- All 5 people in this category seem to be ethnic Albanians in Kosovo who were/are opposed to oppression of Kosovo Albanians by Serbs, as well as nationalists who sought independence or unification with Albania. But it is a mixed bag. One is a militant rebel, another is an educator. I suppose we could Merge them all to Category:Albanian nationalists in Kosovo, where 3 out of 5 of them already are. The subcategory has nothing to do with Kosovo per se, and should be Purged. NLeeuw (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to purging. But there are folks in there like Ali Aliu, who seems to be defined by both his nationalism and his support of rights of ethnic albanians. Mason (talk) 04:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cartoon Network stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub category no longer populated enough to warrant retention. As always, stub categories need to have a minimum of 60 articles, but after I detagged a handful of articles that were too long to be tagged as stubs at all this went from 25 to 20. It has existed in its current form since 2011, after being deleted as underpopulated in 2007 -- but was then tagged as underpopulated again in 2018, until that template was deleted at TFD, so it's not entirely clear that it was ever really adequately populated at all.
Even the 20 pages that are here are a bit of a random grab bag, as it's populated mainly by video game or album tie-ins to Cartoon Network programming and/or foreign channels that franchised Cartoon Network or Boomerang branding, rather than things that actually have much to do with the Category:United States television stubs parent -- so it's not at all clear that there are actually very many things that could be added here to get it back over 60 articles again. It's not generally standard practice, at any rate, to stub-tag things for overly specific associations like particular TV networks; WikiProject Cartoon Network already has project templates on the talk pages anyway, so this isn't serving any important purpose that isn't already being served elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or possibly merge, to Category:Animation stubs if the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Unreal Engine 5 games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicative with Category:Unreal Engine games. No merge required, as all members of the nominated category are in the original already. Each version of Unreal Engine is not independently notable or distinct. -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree because Category:Unreal Engine games is very large and spans more than two decades of video games. There isn't much use in knowing that a game was made with "just" Unreal Engine from the point of view of someone reading about the game compared to knowing that it was made in Unreal 5 which tells you a lot more about what you can expect from the game both in terms of graphics and gameplay (that is, within a given specific genre). Similarly, there isn't much use in knowing a game was made in "just" Unreal from the point of view of someone reading about Unreal itslef as nobody develops games in "Unreal Engine." Consider also that the Video Game infobox Engine field usually has the Unreal Engine version listed, not just "Unreal Engine", because just listing "Unreal Engine" is not so useful. Each version of Unreal is a separate piece of software. Also, not all members of the nominated category are in the original already (at least at the time that I added some of them).
- As a separate but related point, I feel that all versions of Unreal Engine should be separate articles on Wikipedia. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be merged to Category:Unreal Engine games rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ministerial departments of the Sierra Leone Government[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining distinction that doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Oxford University Press Delegate[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Oxford University Press Delegate to Category:Oxford University Press people
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining. If not merged, it should be renamed to Oxford University Press "delegates" Mason (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Block books[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category is not helpful navigation. It contains the epon article and one book. As described on the category page, this does not seem like a defining feature... "Block books or blockbooks, also called xylographica, are short books of up to 50 leaves, block printed in Europe in the second half of the 15th century as woodcuts with blocks carved to include both text (usually) and illustrations." Mason (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, both articles are already in the tree of Category:15th-century books. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ipswich town preachers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Clergy from Ipswich
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category that is effectively is the same. Mason (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok... so it sounds like this information would be better served as a list. Categories are supposed to be there to help people navigate between pages. I would *strongly* encourage you to look at how other categories handle clergy from a region.
- It seems like you are under the impression that People from a city is only for people who were born from the city. That's too narrow of a definition, as Bishops of CITY/ diocese are placed within the clergy from CITY/REGION etc category. And, so if I am understanding your very long comment, you're added the parent because there's only one example of of a precher from before the 17th century, but you don't speak to what about after the 17th century. Mason (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, clergy is usually a formal role, that is not a good reason for a split. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with over 20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 101–200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 201–300 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 301–600 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 601–900 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 901–1200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose deleting Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale:
This whole tree needs a little bit of love. I came here to propose a speedy rename from "Foo CatAutoTOC bar" to "Foo Automatic category TOC bar" following a RM at Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024, but I think this whole tree needs to be simplified. It is so small that diffusing by number of pages in the category is a hindrance to navigation. I will also note that Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC is terribly named: it only contains categories which use {{Category TOC}} or {{Large category TOC}} directly.
I propose we get rid of the tree and replace it with two categories, one for each template: Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC and Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. Finally, I propose we delete Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC in favor of a hatnote between the two new categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rātana politicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in the tree of the three potential targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merging Category:Rātana MPs to Category:Rātana politicians is also an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this category (and in articles relating to Rātana as a political force). Some of these people are adherents of the Rātana faith who became MPs, others of them were MPs for the Rātana Party or (after affiliation with the Labour Party) MPs officially endorsed by the Rātana church. Soraya Peke-Mason, for example, is a Rātana, but not an official Rātana-endorsed MP. If that can be cleared up I'd support Marcocapelle's second suggestion (merging MPs into politicians). Grutness...wha? 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- That is a very interesting observation. In fact 5 out of 7 have exclusively been politicians for the Labour party. Category:Rātana MPs is better to be merged to Category:New Zealand Rātanas for that reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Category:Rātana MPs too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky)[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Georgetown College. Unopposed for two weeks. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky) to Category:Georgetown College
- Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article, Georgetown College. Graham (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Deaths from food poisoning[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Deaths from food poisoning to Category:Deaths by food poisoning
- Nominator's rationale: Conflict in naming conventions between Category:Deaths from digestive disease and Category:Deaths from infectious disease; and Category:Deaths by poisoning. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose – I think we mostly use "deaths by" for intentional killings, "deaths from" or "deaths due to" where there was no intention. The current name seems to be natural English, but Category:Deaths due to food poisoning sounds OK as an alternative. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames). Food poisoning or foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london and LaundryPizza03: thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sound s good, except the parent should be Category:Deaths from foodborne illness. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london and LaundryPizza03: thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses. I don't object strongly to the singular "from foodborne illness", but that lead article refers multiple times to "illnesses" and there is a parent Category:Foodborne illnesses. Replace subcat relationship with two-way "see also" links to Category:Deaths by poisoning, which is where deliberate cases belong. Split to that category rather than a new one, as I'm not convinced that the use of food as the vector is WP:DEFINING to a poisoning. The sweets poisoning cases belong there, even 1858 Bradford sweets poisoning in which food was accidentally contaminated with a poison. IMHO, deaths by foodborne illnesses should be restricted to infections (bacteria, viruses, prions) rather than toxins. – Fayenatic London 11:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses in order to distinguish the category more clearly from Category:Deaths by poisoning. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:American people of Arab descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Empty category, fork of the Category:American people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all, the single article is already in Category:American politicians of Lebanese descent and it isn't even about someone of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Apparently this category was deleted previously. Where is the deletion discussion for that? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Never mind. I found it. As I expected, a quickie deletion with very little input and seemingly no input from Arabs. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I would like to register my shock and disbelief that Arab American and Arab diaspora categories are slowly and systematically being deleted across Wikipedia, often with little input (from anyone, let alone Arabs). It is a massive erasure of Arabs and Arab Americans. I do regard it as unjust, rash, and enormously racist. These are major changes and there needs to be major discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It has nothing to do with racism. Arab descent is difficult to verify because they are the majority ethnicity of the Middle East and North Africa. Sources are more explicit about minorities. Likewise we do not categorize people by European-American descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle "Arab descent is difficult to verify". Really? Is it difficult to verify that "a proud and unapologetic Arab American woman" such as Rashida Tlaib is Arab? Is it a mystery whether John Sununu ("I'm proud of my heritage as an Arab American") was an Arab? Is it a secret that Casey Kasem was proudly Arab? Arab Americans are a minority in the US; being an Arab American is not at all the same as being a European-American. "Arab American" is a real minority identity in the US, and not all Arab Americans identify with Orientalist terminology like "Middle Eastern". Unlike other minorities like Native Americans or Jewish Americans or African Americans, who do have categories, all the Arab categories are being deleted lest a few people from the Arab world be from non-Arab backgrounds. The categories weren't even sorted, so someone like Rashida Tlaib wasn't placed into the category for Category:American politicians of Arab descent. The category was simply deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- The proper analogy is between people of Arab descent in the United States and people of European-American descent in Australia. We are talking about people who descend from ancestors who were in the majority in another part of the world. Another example is people of Han Chinese descent in Germany, which we do not do either. In most cases we just have the ancestor's nationality anyway, Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- There's a vast body of literature and research about "Arab Americans". There are numerous organizations, events, celebrations, and so forth that are explicitly Arab-American. Multiple state Democratic parties have an Arab caucus. There's no such parallel with "Han Americans". That comparison makes no sense. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- We must immediately purge and delete all of the Hispanic/Latino categories. Category:American politicians of Mexican descent must be removed from its parent category, Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians. Think about all those Nahuas and Oaxacans and Mormons and Plautdietsch-speaking Mennonites who might be miscategorized. Or do we only apply such micro-scrutiny to Arabs? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, Mexican is a nationality like Egyptian and Tusinian is a nationality. Arab is not. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hispanic or Latino isn't a nationality either. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, Mexican is a nationality like Egyptian and Tusinian is a nationality. Arab is not. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- The proper analogy is between people of Arab descent in the United States and people of European-American descent in Australia. We are talking about people who descend from ancestors who were in the majority in another part of the world. Another example is people of Han Chinese descent in Germany, which we do not do either. In most cases we just have the ancestor's nationality anyway, Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle "Arab descent is difficult to verify". Really? Is it difficult to verify that "a proud and unapologetic Arab American woman" such as Rashida Tlaib is Arab? Is it a mystery whether John Sununu ("I'm proud of my heritage as an Arab American") was an Arab? Is it a secret that Casey Kasem was proudly Arab? Arab Americans are a minority in the US; being an Arab American is not at all the same as being a European-American. "Arab American" is a real minority identity in the US, and not all Arab Americans identify with Orientalist terminology like "Middle Eastern". Unlike other minorities like Native Americans or Jewish Americans or African Americans, who do have categories, all the Arab categories are being deleted lest a few people from the Arab world be from non-Arab backgrounds. The categories weren't even sorted, so someone like Rashida Tlaib wasn't placed into the category for Category:American politicians of Arab descent. The category was simply deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It has nothing to do with racism. Arab descent is difficult to verify because they are the majority ethnicity of the Middle East and North Africa. Sources are more explicit about minorities. Likewise we do not categorize people by European-American descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison and Omnis Scientia: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. "Middle Eastern" is more appropriate and inclusive than "Arab" and still includes Arab nationalities as well which are NOT being erased at all. The article "Arab Americans" also notes that people who are seen as "Arab Americans" may actually not be ethnically Arab but rather from Arab countries and of non-Arab ethnicity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia Not all Arab Americans are Middle Eastern, nor do all Arab Americans from Western Asia identify with Western-centric terms like "Middle Eastern". Arab-American is a legitimate identity and culture in the US. Nor does this argument explain why, say, individual Arab American politicians couldn't be placed into the category for American politicians of Arab descent, which was simply purged and deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, do you not think the "Arab world" is also a Western-centric phrase as well? Because "people of Arab descent" in these categories weren't necessarily ethnically Arab, they were from Arab countries. I think they would describe themselves as being from whichever country they came from. You gave the example of Rashida Tlaib. She calls herself "Palestinian American". Same is the case with Ilhan Omar who is "Somalian American". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia I can quite confidently assert that the Arab League is an Arab invention, not a Western invention. To be more specific than "Western-centric", the term is certainly Orientalist; east of what? As I previously asked, why were the categories deleted rather than individual verifiable Arabs placed into the categories? We don't delete all the Hispanic/Latino categories in the US because, well, maybe not everyone of Latin American origins self-identifies as Hispanic or Latino (maybe that person from Mexico identifies as an Aztec or a Russian Mennonite), and besides, Hispanics are the majority in Latin America anyway, so Hispanics aren't really a minority group in the US. Only Arabs seem to earn this sort of pedantry. I don't see anyone nominating Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians for deletion lest we possibly offend Plautdietsch or Kʼicheʼ sensibilities. Arab American identity exists and is socially and politically relevant in the US, regardless of how others may feel. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, we aren't deleting that because "Hispanic and Latino" is a container for Latin and Hispanic American countries like "Middle Eastern" and "North African" is to Arab nations. Also why do you think Latin Americans aren't a minority in the United States? An odd thing to say. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Read it again. Arabs and Latinos are both minorities in the US. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Hispanic and Latino Americans" are a container group for people from Latin American countries just like "Middle Eastern Americans" are a container group for people from Middle Eastern countries. Stop engaging in such bad faith arguments. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Read it again. Arabs and Latinos are both minorities in the US. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not to mention they are two different groups of people with two different types of history so your example amounts to false equivalence. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- And the rest of what I said? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, we aren't deleting that because "Hispanic and Latino" is a container for Latin and Hispanic American countries like "Middle Eastern" and "North African" is to Arab nations. Also why do you think Latin Americans aren't a minority in the United States? An odd thing to say. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia I can quite confidently assert that the Arab League is an Arab invention, not a Western invention. To be more specific than "Western-centric", the term is certainly Orientalist; east of what? As I previously asked, why were the categories deleted rather than individual verifiable Arabs placed into the categories? We don't delete all the Hispanic/Latino categories in the US because, well, maybe not everyone of Latin American origins self-identifies as Hispanic or Latino (maybe that person from Mexico identifies as an Aztec or a Russian Mennonite), and besides, Hispanics are the majority in Latin America anyway, so Hispanics aren't really a minority group in the US. Only Arabs seem to earn this sort of pedantry. I don't see anyone nominating Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians for deletion lest we possibly offend Plautdietsch or Kʼicheʼ sensibilities. Arab American identity exists and is socially and politically relevant in the US, regardless of how others may feel. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bohemian Baltimore, do you not think the "Arab world" is also a Western-centric phrase as well? Because "people of Arab descent" in these categories weren't necessarily ethnically Arab, they were from Arab countries. I think they would describe themselves as being from whichever country they came from. You gave the example of Rashida Tlaib. She calls herself "Palestinian American". Same is the case with Ilhan Omar who is "Somalian American". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia Not all Arab Americans are Middle Eastern, nor do all Arab Americans from Western Asia identify with Western-centric terms like "Middle Eastern". Arab-American is a legitimate identity and culture in the US. Nor does this argument explain why, say, individual Arab American politicians couldn't be placed into the category for American politicians of Arab descent, which was simply purged and deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. "Middle Eastern" is more appropriate and inclusive than "Arab" and still includes Arab nationalities as well which are NOT being erased at all. The article "Arab Americans" also notes that people who are seen as "Arab Americans" may actually not be ethnically Arab but rather from Arab countries and of non-Arab ethnicity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central African Republic people[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic people to Category:People from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women to Category:Women from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men to Category:Men from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women by occupation to Category:Women from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men by occupation to Category:Men from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic bishops to Category:Bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic Roman Catholic bishops to Category:Roman Catholic bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: Although most nationality categories are named 'Fooinan people', there are several exceptions: Category:People from Georgia (country), Category:People from Northern Ireland, Category:People from the State of Palestine, as well as almost all subcategories in Category:People by former country and about half of those in Category:People by dependent territory. I think 'People from the Central African Republic' is a much clearer and better name in English than 'Central African Republic people'. Aldij (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There are two Jewish ethnic groups originating from the Caucasus region: Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews. The term Caucasus Jews currently redirects to "Mountain Jews." These two groups are culturally distinct; they speak different languages and have many differences in customs and culture. However, other Jewish communities have also resided and continue to reside in the Caucasus region, including primarily Ashkenazi Jews, as well as some Sephardic and Bukharan Jews. Therefore, this category does not make sense. Currently, this category encompasses Jews from three modern countries, yet "Caucasus Jews" redirects to "Mountain Jews." Note: I have just separated the entries for category:Jews from Georgia (country) and category:Georgian Jews. Aldij (talk) 11:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, rename to Category:Jews in the Caucasus to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, disambiguate including Category:Mountain Jews and category:Georgian Jews. Surprisingly, these are not within Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was my mistake; I have already corrected it by adding Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. However, I did not understand your proposal for disambiguation. Category:Mountain Jews and Category:Georgian Jews represent separate ethnic groups, while the current Category:Armenian Jews, Category:Azerbaijani Jews and Category:Jews from Georgia (country) merely denote Jews by nationality. Additionally, the term "Caucasus Jews" redirects to Mountain Jews, which implicitly suggests that it is the primary topic. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose The category is fine. I would also be okay with it being named something like Category:Jews in the Caucasus or "from the Caucasus", which would include subcategories for Armenian Jews, Azerbaijani Jews, Georgian Jews, Mountain Jews, and Jews from the Caucasian parts of Russia. The parent category for this should be Category:Jews and Judaism in the Caucasus, along the lines of Category:Islam in the Caucasus. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:British people of Tajik descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent
- Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the article is already in Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to the United Kingdom where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's still a 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Then merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful. Mason (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent
- Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the category does not contain any biography. The topic article is already in Category:Asian diaspora in Canada where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful. Mason (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People of West Asian descent[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:People of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Argentine people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Brazilian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Chinese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Croatian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Egyptian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Emirati people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Ethiopian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Filipino people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:German people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Iraqi people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Israeli people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Japanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Jordanian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kuwaiti people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lebanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Libyan people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Omani people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Peruvian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Polish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Saudi Arabian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Serbian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South African people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Swedish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Syrian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Turkish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe. Aldij (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging to Asian parent categories is my second choice per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment First, Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent has been emptied. Secondly, if we have categories for South Asia and Southeast Asia, wouldn't it make more sense to keep West Asia and dump the "Middle East" categories instead? They both are a little imprecise but what would make more sense fitting in with the existing geographic categorization? Liz Read! Talk! 19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would not oppose that either. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I believe it would be better to merge the category trees of South Asia and Southeast Asia into Asia as well. I will nominate them separately now. Regarding the decision to discard the "Middle East" categories, I'm not certain there is consensus for this, nor am I sure whether I will personally support it. However, perhaps they need to be deleted as well. Aldij (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- @Aldij, I would oppose deletion of "South Asia" categories since that is the region's name. "West Asia" is covered by the "Middle East". Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:1999 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2000 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2001 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2011 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2012 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2014 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2015 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2016 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2016 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2017 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2017 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2018 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2018 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2019 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2019 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2020 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2020 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2021 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2021 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2022 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2022 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2023 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2023 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2024 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2024 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship. Please see also the previous discussion here. Maiō T. (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The nomenclature aligns with the official name of the tournament as used by the IIHF. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children. Flibirigit (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym. Spitzmauskc (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I've tagged all of the categories and notified the creators.
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Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Not all individuals from countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon self-identify as Arabs. Therefore, this categorization may be misleading and fail to accurately reflect the diverse ethnic and national identities of people from these regions. Additionally, the term "diaspora" refers to a community of people who live outside their place of origin or ancestry. However, since Arabs are indigenous to the Middle East, the use of "diaspora" in this context can be confusing and inaccurate. Aldij (talk) 09:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, this ignores the existence of Copts, Druze people, Kurds etc. A merge is not needed because the subcategories are already in Category:Asian diaspora in the Middle East (or African, in the case of Egypt). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mexican people of Arab descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Small category, I propose to upmerge into category:Mexican people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, and it is not even sure if these people are of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. The subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiddlers from Sweden[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fiddlers from Sweden to Category:Swedish fiddlers
- Nominator's rationale: I think these categories should be merged because frankly it's confusing to have two swedish categories Mason (talk) 04:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Rename of Alien invasions in media et al.[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien abduction
- Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien abduction
- Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien abduction
- Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien abduction
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in comics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Comics about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien visitations
- Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien visitations
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Music about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien invasions
- Propose renaming Category:First contact science fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Science fiction about first contact
- Propose renaming Category:Roswell incident in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the Roswell incident
- Propose renaming Category:Xenoarchaeology in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about xenoarchaeology
- Nominator's rationale: Rename per several past renames, in order to make it clear that these categories are for media that are about alien invasions and such, not where such things make potentially trivial appearances. DonIago (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Surely we dont want [Category:Alien visitations in fiction] be populated with novels where, like, "Hey Bob, Pete says he was visited by aliens. He must be drinking" - Altenmann >talk
- Rename, stressing that it should be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all except "alien visitations", which should be upmerged as overly vague - alien visitation is a disambiguation page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- If alien visitations is really too vague it should be renamed differently rather than merged. It seems clear enough to me though, taking E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial in mind. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Trivial examples can already be removed with the current names and related guidelines. Cambalachero (talk) 12:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all in line with numerous precedents, like that time I launched around 14 bulk nominations of this type. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Comic book editors[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Comic book editors to Category:Comics editors
- Nominator's rationale: The term "comic book" is used for periodical comics publications and is not inclusive of manga, webcomics, graphic novels, etc. "Comics editors" is inclusive of all forms of comics. Thematthewmurray (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Those are different industries, don't mix apples and oranges. Rather create "manga editors" in Category:Manga industry and list them there. As for the others, graphic novels may not be the same as comic books, but the industry that makes them is the same one, so there's no problem grouping them together. And are there webcomic editors? isn't that a self-published genre? Cambalachero (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- While there have been webcomics editors for years, the rise of webcomic platforms/sites like Webtoon and Tapas mean that they are more prominent than before.
- Since you suggested splitting out Japanese editors, I'll mention that the category also currently includes comics editors who worked in the comics industries in Belgium, Brazil, China, France, Italy, Mexico, the Netherlands, Serbia, and the UK. Thematthewmurray (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are pages for Bande dessinée (Franco-Belgian comics), Brazilian comics, Comics in Mexico, Manhua (Chinese comics), Dutch comics, Serbian comics, and British comics. I am far from an expert in all of these, but I feel that some of them (such as Franco-Belgian comics) are easily as developed as Japanese comics.
- I'll also mention that the majority of other categories for comics-related positions use the term "comics." Category:Comics creators, Category:Comics writers, Category:Comics artists, Category:Comics colorists, and Category:Comics inkers. (The one exception is Category:Comic book letterers.) Additionally the subpages are in the same format: Category:Comics writers by nationality. Thematthewmurray (talk) 16:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Franz von Sickingen[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Franz von Sickingen to Category:Knights' War
- Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation. Mason (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
May 14[edit]
Category:Soda Den games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I am not sure if categories with a single page (or less than a few) is allowed. Therefore, I am bringing this to discussion. I am putting Category:Amstrad video games and Category:BlankMediaGames games for the same reason, since Twinkle (the userscript) doesn't me do that. JuniperChill (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to mention 'Category:BlankMediaGames games' and one other but for some reason, it isn't appearing. JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Solved. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to mention 'Category:BlankMediaGames games' and one other but for some reason, it isn't appearing. JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, this does not help navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Art festivals in the United States[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The name is too similar to Category:Arts festivals in the United States, creating confusion about which articles and categories belong in which. Vegantics (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question Seems okay, but we don't have any Category:Visual arts festivals cat (tree) yet. Does it overlap with Category:Visual arts competitions, Category:Visual arts conferences and/or Category:Visual arts exhibitions? The latter has Category:Art festivals as a child, so that seems to be an apt parent. On the other hand, do all current items in Category:Art festivals in the United States fit the "visual arts" domain? Category:Arts festivals by type suggests a lot of other domains. If you could answer those questions, we might have a better idea what you are proposing. NLeeuw (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the questions. In reviewing Category:Art festivals in the United States, which is described as intended for "festivals focused on the visual arts," I noticed some articles which do not seem applicable. I suspect this is because editors made the same mistake that I did of confusing it with Category:Arts festivals in the United States. However I now realize that this is a bigger standard across Wikipedia and would require a much larger, more extensive discussion. Vegantics (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Would you like to start somewhere else, or could we use this case as an example to set a precedent for future discussions? I should add I've never been to the United States and visuals arts are quite outside my area of expertise (hence the questions for clarification), but I would like to help you out in finding the best way of categorising all these articles. Personally, I find the current category tree quite confusing, so it's a good idea to discuss how we could improve it. NLeeuw (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the questions. In reviewing Category:Art festivals in the United States, which is described as intended for "festivals focused on the visual arts," I noticed some articles which do not seem applicable. I suspect this is because editors made the same mistake that I did of confusing it with Category:Arts festivals in the United States. However I now realize that this is a bigger standard across Wikipedia and would require a much larger, more extensive discussion. Vegantics (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw Upon further research I now understand that this is a (admittedly confusing) standard across Wikipedia. Vegantics (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: per article title American Civil War. This was opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support per nom, but I need clarifications first: why is "United States" proposed to be omitted? So that it could also include Confederate politicians and perhaps foreign politicians who somehow got killed in the ACW? That would mean it no longer fits in the Category:20th-century American politicians (should be Category:19th-century American politicians), and more broadly the Category:American people tree, since Confederates and foreigners were arguably not "United States citizens" for the duration of the ACW (at least from the Confederate POV). In fact, I see the category currently already contains Confederate politicians, so removing "United States" is a good idea, but then we should remove Category:20th-century American politicians as a parent. But that may be a bit too legally speaking on my part . NLeeuw (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- At least 20th century is a clear mistake, I changed it to 19th. List of politicians killed in the American Civil War does not mention any politicians outside the Union and Confederate states so there is no problem in keeping Category:19th-century American politicians as a parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Zzap!64 Gold Medal Award winners[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A category for winners of "Gold Medal", awarded by a video game magazine. No article on it. See also this discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 04:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, can you explain how OCAWARD applies here? ToadetteEdit! 11:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- The award is not a defining characteristic of these video games. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, can you explain how OCAWARD applies here? ToadetteEdit! 11:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. ToadetteEdit! 11:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:UCLA Department of Earth Planetary and Space Sciences alumni[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Degrees from a school within a university may be defining, a degree from a specific department isn't typically defining. See for a similar case Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_23#Category:Harvard_University_Department_of_Psychology_alumni Mason (talk) 04:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ship names with ukrainian origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:TRIVIALCAT. Mellk (talk) 03:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. (But if kept, it should be renamed to "Ukrainian")Mason (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a split between Hebrew Bible and Old Testament does not make too much sense in biblical art which largely originates from Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination. "Hebrew Bible" is the name for the 39 books common to Judaism and Christianity, and I see no reason why Christianity should be regarded as more important.
- On second thought, it might be better to upmerge Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents, as it is currently a mostly redundant layer. How does that sound? NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
", as things stand the "deuterocanonical books" category is within the "Old Testament" one, so isn't this an argument against the status quo as well? But it's resolved if Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament is upmerged to its parents, leaving the subdivisions of the (Christian) Bible as "Hebrew Bible", "deuterocanonical books" and "New Testament" – with no "Old Testament"? I hope I've got that right. Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect parent Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (now tagged). There is a Paintings tree within the Art tree, and there is a Hebrew Bible tree within the Old Testament tree. However, I have just removed Choir of San Lorenzo from Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (as it seemed mistaken or unjustified), leaving only the subcats Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes and Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books, so there is little justification for keeping that layer at present. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, having a gap for OT in that layer (paintings by theme) would be consistent with the hierarchy for paintings of people – we have Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people but not Category:Paintings of Old Testament people. – Fayenatic London 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disclosure: I have just created Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art, which I judged to be a worthwhile and missing category. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tokyo Musashino United FC[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON * Pppery * it has begun... 00:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Striking vote considering below comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I have expanded, so there's sufficient content to justify keeping. However, needs a move per WP:C2D to Category:Yokogawa Musashino FC to match the parent article name. @Pppery and Marcocapelle:. GiantSnowman 09:08, May 2024 (IOS)
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Architects[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Arthur Edmunds
- Propose deleting Category:Bill Lapworth
- Propose deleting Category:Halsey Chase Herreshoff
- Propose deleting Category:John Hawks (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Lyle Hess
- Propose deleting Category:Philip Rhodes
- Propose deleting Category:Samuel Sloan (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Emile Weil
- Propose renaming and reparenting Category:Michael Middleton Dwyer to Category:Works by Michael Middleton Dwyer
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEPON. These categories only contain an eponymous article and a subcategory, so having the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: As this is a larger nomination, giving an extra week for objections.
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Category:Ossetian male writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ossetian male writers to Category:Ossetian writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity, occupation, and gender. Mason (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; we already have similar categories of ethnciity/occuptation/gender, such as Category:African-American male writers, Category:Yoruba women writers, and Category:Basque women writers. Categorizing writers by gender and nationality is quite common as well; see Category:Male writers by nationality. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, Ossetian male writers is not a notable topic in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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May 13[edit]
California articles missing geocoordinate data[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:San Francisco Bay Area articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Alameda County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Amador County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Butte County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Calaveras County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Colusa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Contra Costa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Del Norte County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:El Dorado County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fresno County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Glenn County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Humboldt County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Imperial County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Inyo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kern County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kings County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lake County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lassen County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Los Angeles County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Madera County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Marin County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mariposa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mendocino County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Merced County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Modoc County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mono County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Monterey County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Napa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Nevada County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Orange County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Placer County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Plumas County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Riverside County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sacramento County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Benito County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Bernardino County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Diego County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Francisco County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Joaquin County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Luis Obispo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Mateo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Barbara County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Clara County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Cruz County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shasta County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sierra County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Siskiyou County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Solano County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sonoma County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Stanislaus County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sutter County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tehama County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Trinity County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tulare County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tuolumne County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Ventura County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Yolo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Yuba County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: There's no longer a need for these by-county maintenance categories. They were created 15 years ago when the backlog was much larger and separating by county was useful. The backlog has been greatly reduced; at the moment, every one of these categories is empty. (Special thanks to User:Oona Wikiwalker who has added a lot of coordinates recently.) The rate of new California-related articles is low enough that the statewide category is sufficient. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pardon me, but where have the remaining articles been moved to? I can't seem to find them.
- And thank you for the kind words!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Oona Wikiwalker: I removed the last remaining articles today by adding coordinates to some and removing the others that didn't need coordinates. There are currently no California-related articles that have been tagged as needing coordinates. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- How do you determine which articles don't need coordinates? I suspect I've wasted a lot of effort on pages that didn't need coordinates... Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Oona Wikiwalker: I removed the last remaining articles today by adding coordinates to some and removing the others that didn't need coordinates. There are currently no California-related articles that have been tagged as needing coordinates. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Some US counties are very small in area or population. For example, the category tree for Alpine County, California, has only 194 articles according to Petscan — this county has only about 1,000 people and is smaller in area than most counties in Texas. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nomination, although if these are now empty categories wouldn't CSD C1 have been quicker and more apporpriate? Adam Black talk • contributions 22:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Adam Black GB: The guidelines for C1 seem to exclude occasionally-empty maintenance categories; this is a somewhat uncommon case of those categories no longer being needed. I figured it was better to bring to CfD than risk confusion with CSD. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. From my reading of it I thought C1 could be used if the maintenance category templates weren't on the page. Adam Black talk • contributions 22:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Adam Black GB: The guidelines for C1 seem to exclude occasionally-empty maintenance categories; this is a somewhat uncommon case of those categories no longer being needed. I figured it was better to bring to CfD than risk confusion with CSD. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Trinitrotoluene[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Trinitrotoluene to Category:TNT
- Nominator's rationale: Category name should be consistent with the title of the article TNT. HertzDonuts (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as there are lots of meanings. Unlike articles, where it's easy to find and correct mislinking ("TNT" but not the chemical meaning), cats are less well patrolled, harder to notice, and and create more problems when mis-set. In fact, the original Category:TNT was about the Russian TV channel even though the the chemical article was already at TNT. WP:MOSCAT notes:
- "Avoid abbreviations. Example: "Category:Military equipment of World War II", not "Category:Military equipment of WW2". However, acronyms that have become the official, or generally used, name (such as NATO) should be used where there are no other conflicts."
- and in this case the name is not "official", just COMMONNAME and there is a conflict. I have no objection to {{Category disambiguation}} or similar solution (I see that Category:Disambiguation categories does have other entries where the eponymous page is a redirect to a better-named article). DMacks (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals notified of this discussion. DMacks (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per DMacks' rationale. --Leyo 20:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the Oppose arguments. HertzDonuts (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per the other arguments above and also this abbreviation is used in many other areas. Just look at TNT (disambiguation). It is a long list. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:American communists of the Stalin era[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Communists in the United States are not necessarily defined by the leader of another country. User:Namiba 17:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A merge is not needed, the articles are already in Category:Members of the Communist Party USA. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Definitely an example of an arbitrary category. Adam Black talk • contributions 22:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ernest Cline[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer of categorization. The "works by" category suffices as a top level parent category. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Electoral reform in Jersey[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No need to differentiate the electoral reform referendums from the others. At the very least, have it nested under the referendums in jersey category rather its own separate category alongside it. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, both articles are already in Category:Referendums in Jersey and Category:Electoral reform referendums. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Yoruba police officers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. There are MANY Yoruba occupation categories which could also be nominated. Moreover, many of the people in these categories are put their because of their name, not because sources say that they are Yoruba. User:Namiba 14:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beringia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic content, Beringia is a concept from prehistoric geography, but the category only contains current-day geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Marcocapelle's definition contradicts the maim article Beringia, which defines it as a current region. Dimadick (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It does not. It was one coherent region because the Bering Street was dry land. That is no longer the case. Beringia is not usually on any current-day map. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Oppose per Dimadick. Nom seems to ignore the fact that the English term Beringia is also used for a present-day region. That it doesn't usually appear on present-day maps is an argument from anecdotal evidence. If nom could demonstrate that the category arbitrarily mixes up past and present in a confusing manner, that would be interesting to consider for a renaming or split, or something. NLeeuw (talk) 11:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Except a spurious touristic source, all sources referenced to are related to prehistory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. That one source, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/beringia/index.htm, claiming that Beringia still exists today, evidently represents a fringe view not supported by the first 10 other sources I checked. All other language versions also support the idea that it is a region which no longer exists, and equivalent to "Bering Land Bridge". So let's remove that spurious source, and delete the whole category that has nothing to do with the geological, geographical and human migratory aspect of Beringia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving Bengal[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Battles involving Bangladesh, The battles in the category are involved Bengal region and Bangladesh is created from the a big part of the region. It would be better to rename the category and make specify it for country-wise battle category. Mehedi Abedin 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Military history of Bengal. IMHO this is a useful division of Category:History of Bengal. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football seasons[edit]
- Keep; standard cat scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Saying something is standard, so we should keep it, is not a compelling reason. Having only one category is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the problem, it should also be merged to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, did you mean Category:College football seasons by team? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, I mean a new category, of which Category:College football seasons by team should be a subcategory, and to which articles of current one-article subcategories would be moved. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there's already Category:College football seasons in the United States, which is a parent of Category:College football seasons by team. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I overlooked that. It is quite confusing that the parent category has "in the United States" in the name while Category:College football seasons by team has not. Then Category:College football seasons in the United States should be the new merge target, at least in theory. But the article is already in a year subcategory of it, so then my comment becomes about a second merge target entirely moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Roman Catholic bishops in Macau[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau
- Propose merging Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:19th-century Macau people, Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:20th-century Macau people, Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:21st-century Macau people, Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in China
- Nominator's rationale: merge, per article List of bishops of Macau, Catholic bishops are primarily bishop of a diocese. This is follow-up on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_16#Category:16th-century_Roman_Catholic_bishops_in_Portuguese_Macau. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Although I'm on the fence about merging to Category:FOO-century Macau people, because not everyone is from Macau. Mason (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- This category tree is now a big mess. · There were Catholic bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere but stationed in Macau, some of them as coadjutor/auxiliary bishops or administrators or governors of this diocese. These bishops were not bearers of the title Bishop of Macau although they were bishops who worked in Macau. Further the diocese covered a much much larger area in the Far East. It's only since the 1950s (or the 1980s if the two parishes in Malacca Malaysia and Singapore are taken into consideration) the Diocese of Macau is coterminous with the present-day territorial extent of Macau. From its founding in the 16th century hundreds of dioceses have been carved out from this diocese. The first proposal regarding Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau is therefore opposed. · Likewise the second and the third proposals for the 19th and 20th century categories are opposed for the reasons as stated above, and that this is also a vote for the restoration of the 16th to 18th century categories. If the 19th and the 20th century categories (and the 16th to 18th century categories as well) were to be merged the target should be Portugal since the territory was over the period a Portuguese province (save for the last twelve days of the 20th century). · For the fourth proposal on the 21st century category, bear in mind that the bishop does not participate in any conference of bishops or anything similar of the Chinese catholic church, and that the present bishop is not a native of Macau – There is no point to proceed as proposed. · Overall this is a keep vote (and a vote to clear the mess under the preexisting structure prior to CfD 16 April). 58.152.55.172 (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- This user labelled me as such with no explanation and I simply don't understand why she gave me such a label. It appears she just labels when she's running out of supporting arguments. I took no part in making this mess. The categories nominated in this CfD or the 16 April one were created by other editors, and I'd done nothing to change them. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- By all means purge bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere, but stationed in Macau. If the tree is a mess we simply should have a clean-up. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- They were nevertheless bishops in Macau and these articles fit well within the wider Category:Roman Catholic bishops by country of work tree. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 14:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- For information the bishops attended meetings of the Conferência Episcopal Portuguesa, as in this case in 1973. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as part of a larger categorisation scheme. Moving articles from categories of dependencies to those of the sovereign powers is not uncontested. 42.200.80.48 (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional animals by taxon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type
- Nominator's rationale: No reason has been given why this unnecessarily WP:NARROWCAT has been created. It only contains two taxons which is not enough to justify an entire separate category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately doing that is just shuffling around deck chairs and makes no real difference. But I think the more longstanding categories (since 2006) should take precedence over your new 2024 category, not things be merged just because you want your category to be prominent. You have just stated an opinion but not provided a reason to back why taxon is better than the vertebrate/invertebrate split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Both the nominated and the alt proposal could be an improvement, but I prefer the alternative, in order to keep taxa together as a recognizable attrribute. I have tagged the two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I already said I prefer your alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Disclaimer: I would like to say that this is a sensitive topic that should not be treated lightly. I am going to make some observations that seek to address what I see as inappropriate categorisation practices, but I thereby do not seek to deny or diminish or trivialise the severity of The Holocaust. That said: I think this is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be listified, and every entry supported by WP:RS.
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- If we listify this category, we could at least provide reliable sources in which scholars explain what they mean; categories cannot do that for us. NLeeuw (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the category contains articles about current-day European cities and towns rather than articles about pre-1945 Jewish communities. No objection against listification per se, but I think this task is far too big for someone to start with on a short term. The category content may be listed at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject before deletion, for someone, or maybe for multiple editors together, to start listifying in their own pace. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a good idea. Perhaps the creator @Eladkarmel is willing to do so? NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete These populated places are not notable for being Jewish communities. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect there are plenty of libraries full of sources writing about this. But as Marco said, documenting and verifying all that takes a lot of time, so it would probably be best to list the content on a relevant WikiProject talk page. I think the most appropriate would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history. NLeeuw (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick Do you support the proposal to listify before deleting? NLeeuw (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:American buskers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:American buskers to Category:American street performers
- Nominator's rationale: This was previously discussed and agreed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 31#Category:American buskers before it was suddenly moved back without any discussion. WP:ENGVAR allows us to use the American English term. Buskers is not a word generally used in the United States. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename in the spirit of WP:G4 but keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuietHere: as you listed this at WP:CFDS you might want to react as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- What you are arguing goes against WP:ENGVAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. WP:STRONGNAT? NLeeuw (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Military history of Lorraine[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Military history of Lorraine to Category:Military history of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is a defunct administrative division, meanwhile part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Weaksupport It's true that it is no longer an administrative division, but we've got lots of other "Military history of former country/province X" cats. But I suppose it's okay to merge if that makes navigation easier. NLeeuw (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: if you know other "Military history of former province" categories let me know and I will nominate them too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmm I suppose there aren't that many, actually. I expected to find them everywhere, but all I could find that semi-qualifies is Category:Military history of Savoy, Category:Military history of Baden etc. But those have arguably been independent countries at some point before becoming provinces of larger countries. If I do find others, I'll let you know or nominate them myself. At any rate, seems like your rationale is in line with common practice. NLeeuw (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: if you know other "Military history of former province" categories let me know and I will nominate them too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Grand Est[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Grand Est to Category:Military history of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kyrgyzstani politicians of Korean descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. there'd no need to diffuse Kyrgyzstani people of Korean descent by occupation. Mason (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per given reasoning. Also only one page in the politician cat 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jules Dassin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for one subcategory of films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Political linguistics[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Political linguistics to Category:Sociolinguistics
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/delete. This category contains one page and a redirect, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I don't think the article belongs in Category:Sociolinguistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:NBA 2K players[edit]
- Propose merging Category:NBA 2K players to Category:NBA 2K
- Nominator's rationale: Only one subject in category Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. (If not deleted, merge per nom.) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Canadian people (post-Confederation)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between century and confederation status. There isn't a Canadian people (post-Confederation) category. Mason (talk) 00:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the problem is rather in pre-Confederation Canada, when Canada did not yet exist and the term British North America is controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Canada did not mean all of what you now know as Canada in that era, but it most certainly did exist. A person from the pre-1867 Province of Canada most certainly was a Canadian; a person from the pre-Durham provinces of Upper Canada and Lower Canada most certainly was a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Canadian people also contains people before the confederation who were not from Upper or Lower Canada. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Which can be easily fixed by creating the more appropriate categories and moving those people to them, and doesn't require this. Until better categories for where they were really from actually exist, however, categorizing pre-confederation New Brunswickers or Newfoundlanders as "Canadian", while certainly not ideal, remains preferable to leaving them completely out of the entire tree. Bearcat (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Canada did not mean all of what you now know as Canada in that era, but it most certainly did exist. A person from the pre-1867 Province of Canada most certainly was a Canadian; a person from the pre-Durham provinces of Upper Canada and Lower Canada most certainly was a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The question of whether a person died before or after 1867 isn't particularly relevant in this context; as I explained above, a person from Upper Canada/Canada West or Lower Canada/Canada East between 1791 and 1867 was still very much a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Works by Fran Saleški Finžgar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Novels by Fran Saleški Finžgar to Category:Slovenian novels
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This entire category tree only has two pages in it: the author and one novel they work, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Notably it has just as many categories as pages). Mason (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the novel article is already in Category:Slovene-language novels and Slovenia did not yet exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fran Levstik[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has two pages in it, the author and the list of their works. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't object to deletion. Thanks for the notification. --TadejM my talk 03:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei to Category:Hyakunin Isshu poets
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has two pages in it. One of which is the author's work and the other is the author. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Do not merge, the article about the work does not belong in a poets category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by location. While a few Canadian cities do have "Military personnel from City" categories (but not "Canadian military personnel from City"), there's no comprehensive scheme in place of doing this across the board for all cities — they otherwise exist only for the major megacities with populations of half a million or more, whose base "People from City" categories were overpopulated into the hundreds or thousands and needed diffusion for size control, and not for every city across the board. But with just 67 articles in Category:Canadian military personnel from British Columbia and just six in Category:People from Kelowna, neither of the parent categories are large enough to need this for diffusability. There's no particularly unique relationship between military service and being from Kelowna per se, so this isn't needed for just three people if other Canadian cities in Kelowna's weight class (Lethbridge, Regina, Saskatoon, Thunder Bay, Sudbury, Gatineau, Sherbrooke, Moncton, etc.) don't have the same. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree Kelowna is the third largest locality in BC. Uncontroversial categories exist for the two largest localities (Vancouver and Victoria). It already has three entries which is often considered the criterion for a category, and is likely to gain more in the future as more biographies are created. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, the standard minimum size for a category is normally five, not three, and even then size alone doesn't automatically trump other considerations. A category that is failing or violating other rules isn't exempted from those other rules just because you can get its size to five per se.
- Secondly, "(Canadian) military personnel" categories don't exist for either Vancouver or Victoria at all yet, so I don't know what you even think you're talking about with that argument.
- Thirdly, it's not "ordinal size rank within province" that determines whether such a category is warranted in this tree, but "is the base people-from category large enough to need diffusion or not" — which with just six people in it now and only nine even if these get upmerged to it (well, actually eight, because one of these three people is already in a different occupational subcategory as it is), Kelowna's is not. At present, these categories exist only for big cities where an undifferentiated "People from" category without occupational subcategories would be populated past the 500-article or 1,000-article marks, which is not where Kelowna is sitting, and they do not automatically exist as a matter of course for every small or medium city that had one, two or three military people come from there.
- My mistake on thinking there was a category for military personnel from Victoria and Vancouver. It is actually Category:Writers from British Columbia that includes those two cities, and now (since I created it) Kelowna. Which is a good reason to think maybe they should all be in a category, rather than ruling out Kelowna because the other two haven't been created yet.
- I could add Trevor Cadieu from Vernon, which is on the same lake as Kelowna and with city limits separated by ~10 km, possibly considered a suburb. Also since this nom, I discovered that George Randolph Pearkes served with the BC Dragoons which is a Kelowna reserve unit (Okanagan Military Museum). I don't want to change the categories of either bio right now in case this is an error and would be perceived as gaming this nom. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Found one more notable definitely described as "from Kelowna" by Okanagan Military Museum: Rodney Frederick Leopold Keller. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- The smallest other city with a sibling category is both (a) four times Kelowna's size, and (b) about 80 years older than Kelowna, both adding up to the fact it has several hundred more articles in its "People from" tree than Kelowna does, and thus needs to be diffused more than Kelowna's does. Bearcat (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related music to Category:LGBT music
- Nominator's rationale: An odd entry in Category:LGBT arts, because of the "-related" adjective not shared by any parent category (but shared by some subcategories that may need to be renamed as well). Sister categories at that level (in LGBT arts) are just LGBT dance, LGBT literature, LGBT arts organizations, LGBT theatre, and LGBT art. No "-related" anywhere there. Another option would be to rename everything to the form of 'X about Y", although I am not sure if "about LGBT" sounds best (ex. "Music about LGBT"?). For now, removing "-related" from that tree might be easiest in terms of standardization. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I guess it is called "-related" because it also contains LGBT musicians and LGBT musical groups subcategories with artists who do not all create LGBT content. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I would note that the category is named the way it is because CFD previously renamed it from the proposed new name to the existing one on the grounds that the music itself doesn't have its own innate sexual orientation, but is merely contextually related to the sexual orientations of people. I would further note things like Category:LGBT-related films, Category:LGBT-related television shows and Category:LGBT-related books, which are also categorized as "LGBT-related", and not just as "LGBT", for the same reason, which means there's a mixture of "LGBT" vs. "LGBT-related" among its siblings rather than this being a one-off outlier. It's a complicated question, for sure, but the reason it's named this way is because of a prior CFD discussion on it, so it's not nearly as clearcut as the nominator makes it out to be. Bearcat (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Songs against capitalism[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Songs against capitalism to Category:Songs about capitalism
- Nominator's rationale: Generally, our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. This is also subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, it is quite a stretch to say that these songs are about capitalism. I found several that are just critical of modern society in general, some others about the labour movement. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps could be saved after pruning, if anyone can indeed show a song about capitalism. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I can understand why one ould argue that should be deleted because of the nebulous nature, but it is pretty clear that many of these songs have lyrics that are anti-capitalist. Velociraptor888 (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear at all. It relies very much on subjective judgement. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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- If kept, rename to Category:Songs about anti-capitalism.--User:Namiba 14:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an improvement versus the current name. This proposed name suggests the songs are about an anti-capitalist movement while the intent of the category is to have songs that name and shame capitalism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nigerian books by year[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Also delete Category:2015 Nigerian books, Category:2017 Nigerian books
Contains two subcategories, each containing only 1 article. Gjs238 (talk) 22:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. There is no need to merge, because both articles are already in Category:Nigerian non-fiction books and Category:2015 books and Category:2017 books respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Transport infrastructure by decade[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1120s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1170s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1190s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1230s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century and Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1270s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century and Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1310s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1320s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1390s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1120s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose deleting Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1170s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1190s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1230s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1270s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1310s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1320s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1390s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:1120s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1170s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1190s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1230s in transport to Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1270s in transport to Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1310s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1320s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1390s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Nominator's rationale: merge, very complicated tree for only a few subcategories about bridges, canals and lighthouses. Note that this nomination is not about these bridges, canals or lighthouses subcategories, but only about intermediate container categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Congenital amputees[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between specific disability and source of the disability. Mason (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- My understanding of the categorization rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization) is that categories that are relevant are based on what criteria are considered defining. I believe that congenital amputee status is considered a meaningful category in the emic (i.e., members) of the limb difference community. E.g., https://www.amputee-coalition.org/resources/amputations-in-childhood/ . This reflects the fact that the lived experience of those with congenital vs acquired amputations is often quite different (e.g., variation in phantom limb experience, the need to actively learn how to function without a limb from birth vs learning as an adult, the use of prosthetics vs not [prosthetics are less frequently used by those with congenital limb differences]). I am aware of this through my extensive involvement with the limb difference community. It can also be observed by a read of the discussions of amputees and those with limb differences (e.g., one of many examples here: https://www.reddit.com/r/amputee/comments/zl8rdk/looking_for_insight_into_child_amputee/).
- Note also that there is a Wikipedia page for congenital amputees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_amputation) which per categorization rules is an important signal that a category is defining. Calculatedfire (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also meant to add- there is a precedence set for amputee categories based on the current categories presented (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Amputees). Certainly congenital amputees is just as or probably notably recognized as per current Wikipedia guidelines (e.g., having its own Wikipedia page) than other categories (e.g., there is no page German amputees; "Works about Amputees" is certainly not a defining characteristic of much of the included media. This is not to say that these other categories should be removed, but rather, to show that congenital meets the required threshold of defining. Calculatedfire (talk) 23:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I think you'll be able to make a more compelling case if you review WP:EGRS/D which gives clearer rules for intersections with disability and other characteristics (gender, race, sexuality etc). Could you show me where having a wikipedia page about a condition means that "per categorization rules is an important signal that a category is defining"? Because I don't think that is sufficient to have a wikipedia page to ensure that it could be a category. Mason (talk) 03:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to oppose, I may be mistaken but at first glance I don't think there is a trivial intersection at stake. Congenital amputation is being born without a limb, which is a "thing" in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- But is it defining for individuals? I'm open to having my mind changed, but I don't think people tend to have the lead of the article stating that they are a congenital amputee. If anything, the leads will be about amputees who acquired their disability through a headline grabbing fashion. Now, I'm well aware that there is literature on differences between acquired and congenital disabilities, and that has implications for interventions as well as well-being.
- However, I still don't think that "reliable sources [...] regularly describe the person as having th[e] characteristic". Fuller quote from Wikipedia:EGRS/D
- >"People with disabilities, intersex conditions, and other medical or psychological states or conditions, should not be added to subcategories of Category:People with disabilities, Category:Intersex people or Category:People by medical or psychological condition unless that condition is considered WP:DEFINING for that individual. For example, there may be people who have amnesia, but if reliable sources don't regularly describe the person as having that characteristic, they should not be added to the category."
- Mason (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, here I did some more research:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorizing_articles_about_people under "Specific Intersections":
- "At all times, the bottom line remains can a valid, encyclopedic main article be written for this grouping?"
- There is a main article on this subject as I noted in my original response.
- Thank you as I am learning to navigate this process. Calculatedfire (talk) 01:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose as constituted, though open to other alternatives if somebody's got a better idea. The distinction obviously hasn't been upheld all that well in the past, but today there is greater recognition than there used to be that there is a qualitative difference between being born with a congenital limb difference and the later loss due to injury or disease of a limb one previously had. It is, for example, one of the reasons why we moved Category:Amputee sportspeople to Category:Sportspeople with limb difference about a year and a half ago, so that the terminology was more inclusive. Medical literature is stricter on the distinction now than it used to be, referring to congenital limb difference rather than congenital amputation; people with congenital limb differences are more outspoken about the differences; even media try harder now to recognize and respect the distinction (even if they're not always perfect); and on and so forth. So really, we should either allow the category system to uphold the distinction, or pick an alternative term like "people with limb difference", instead of continuing to use "amputees", if consensus really wants to collapse it. Bearcat (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buildings Downtown Portland, Oregon[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: --Another Believer (Talk) 14:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickwiki: If you're going to create subcategories, then I'd suggest Category:Buildings and structures in North Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in South Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Buildings and structures in Southwest Portland, Oregon, based on Category:North Portland, Oregon, Category:Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:South Portland, Oregon, Category:Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Southwest Portland, Oregon. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon. No opinion on whether than warrants a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery I've proposed a different way to subcategorize above, if you are interested in revisiting this discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, no other neighborhoods in Portland have their own subcategory while that would be more interesting. It is too obvious that many notable buildings are in downtown. If not merged, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon for better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Technically all G13 eligible AfC submissions are candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions. I see little reason to isolate this category since the latter category will give a larger list for users to find a draft and update so it does not meet G13. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 15:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 16:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)OpposeThese are two categories for two very specific and different use cases. The Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions tracks not only drafts that are 6 months of inactivity, but also 5 months of inactivity. This category is specifically for AfC reviewers and other editors to rescue these drafts, if the topic is notable or has turned notable, before the drafts hit the guillotine block at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions, which is an outright CSD category that is meant for draft of 6 months of inactivity and above. In my experience, the Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions category has been used by well-meaning editors, and if there are dummy edits made nefariously, these editors should be surfaced at an appropriate forum. Merging the categories will not resolve the behavioural issue, they will just monitor the CSD category more rigorously to make the dummy edits before an admin can action on it. – robertsky (talk) 16:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- If it is meant to contain drafts of more than 5 months old then the category name is obviously not clear enough. The category is currently empty, so is anyone actively using it? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is a bit of a misnomer to say that because it is empty no one is "actively using it"; the category is automatically populated based on the age of the draft; if there are no drafts that are old enough then it will be empty (hence the {{empty category}} tag). Given that we have (literally) hundreds of drafts submitted every day, and only a fraction of those are ever worked on past their initial decline, I would say that someone is keeping an eye on it to make sure that drafts worth keeping are saved, and drafts worth nuking are then G13'd. Primefac (talk) 17:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- The category is probably never populated. Note that quarry:query/25817 yields 115 drafts as of now, while this is supposed to replicate the category content. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- That quarry was last run in 2018... Primefac (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC) It also, as of about thirty seconds ago, has three pages in it. Primefac (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC) Just so I don't have to keep updating this page, it has 0 pages as of the time of last refresh. Primefac (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- The category is probably never populated. Note that quarry:query/25817 yields 115 drafts as of now, while this is supposed to replicate the category content. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is a bit of a misnomer to say that because it is empty no one is "actively using it"; the category is automatically populated based on the age of the draft; if there are no drafts that are old enough then it will be empty (hence the {{empty category}} tag). Given that we have (literally) hundreds of drafts submitted every day, and only a fraction of those are ever worked on past their initial decline, I would say that someone is keeping an eye on it to make sure that drafts worth keeping are saved, and drafts worth nuking are then G13'd. Primefac (talk) 17:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertsky: I believe you are thinking of Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions (5-6 months), which is a different category from this one (6+ months). See Template:AfC submission/draft (lines 22-23) or the description on each category's page. SilverLocust 💬 07:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SilverLocust thanks for clarification. I was/am still recovering from effects of a flu, after having travelled for half the month for various conferences. In this case, I would question if there is indeed a need to have two separate categories for the same purpose. – robertsky (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Robertsky, the intention is to have a category for pages that are eligible for G13, and a category for pages that have been nominated for deletion under G13. I've asked Liz and Explicit to comment since they've been deleting G13 pages straight out of this category, which might give a better indication of how best we could utilise it if it's kept. Primefac (talk) 09:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SilverLocust thanks for clarification. I was/am still recovering from effects of a flu, after having travelled for half the month for various conferences. In this case, I would question if there is indeed a need to have two separate categories for the same purpose. – robertsky (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- If it is meant to contain drafts of more than 5 months old then the category name is obviously not clear enough. The category is currently empty, so is anyone actively using it? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I have notified Liz and Explicit about this discussion, since they seem to be patrolling it and directly deleting pages from it. Primefac (talk) 06:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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