:S'up Fella (upercase!). I know two editors that use ''Rose'' in their usernames, both are females. But it can be masculine, why not? [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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Asareel is busy in real life due to preparing for the Winter months ahead. She will be off and on for about a week and may not respond swiftly to queries.
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I have read with interest your talk page and contributions for a long time, though I don't know if we have interacted before. Your grace is admirable. This quote, I found a day or two ago, reminds me of you; it was written in the context of lesbian (auto)biography and historiography, but it resonates with indigenous and other history-making, too.
Urve, Your words honor me greatly. We may have an impact on others in ways we never know but if you have thought of me then we have interacted in even the smallest of ways. My hope is not just that my Song would have a lasted affect on my fellow humanity but that I would be willing to listen and allow others to impact me. That is how we evolve and grow our character. Your Song has done this. Thank you, Rainbow. --ARoseWolf17:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this... On the day she died, a dear friend wrote: "How does one speak truth to power when power already knows the truth?" Maybe you are different than me, but the impossibility of representation, of some things, those which are so powerful they deceive us, like love and humility and grace, troubles me - you wrote above about journaling, and that speaks to a closer truth than anything ever can. Maybe not a factual truth - we always find ourselves remembering things differently than they happened, each memory remembering not the event but the last time we remembered it - but certainly, the emotive truth, which may matter more.
I have always been enamored by your idea, of listening to others and letting them impact us, unreservedly, allowing ourselves to be washed over by the music. We are as much ourselves as we are those we love. Urve (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Urve: Yes! They are part of us, completely. Our Song was carried and nurtured by them for many years and now we carry their Song in us. Having an open ear to listen for the Song of others and allowing it to impact and become a part of who you are is so difficult of a task to master. So many build walls around themselves. Nothing can pass through walls and it isolates us from each other. What we should be building are filters. I am just as guilty as the next for building walls. It's so natural to do. Filters allow the free flow of information, ideas, emotions and communication but can also protect us from dangers. It allows us to breathe and expand or contract as we need to. This is very necessary on Wikipedia. Too often we are confronted with walls. It's hard to communicate and build upon the foundation of the encyclopedia when everything is walled off. Confrontation and agitation is around every corner. It is such a pleasure when we encounter those with filters in place that want to hear and listen to ideas, even if they disagree. They want to communicate and are open to change. That is most beneficial to the encyclopedia. It is also essential to our lives if we are to truly thrive in this existence. --ARoseWolf13:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wishing you well
Hey there ARoseWolf, I saw that you changed your name. I also noticed that you are dealing with a serious health issue right now, and wanted to say hello and wish you well. I hope that you have a complete recovery and that the medicine does the trick. It sounds like you are in good spirits, and are surrounded by excellent care-givers. I have found from my own experience that when the going gets rough, Wikipedia is an excellent hobby to get one's mind in a creative place. Hope the Wild River and Wild Lake articles are coming along swimmingly. Netherzone (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Netherzone. I did change my name. This seemed more fitting for me though I still give credit to my inspiration on my User page. It is always good to hear from you and I love hearing these experiences and how others dealt with them. Being here has been a help to me, more than I can express. All of you are such an encouragement. The articles are coming along. They will get to the place where they are ready when the time is right. Thank you again for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf16:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It warms my heart to see your posts, as they mean you are fighting and able to work. Even if that is a bit here and there, it helps with our progress. Know that every day as I write, you are in my thoughts. SusunW (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am a warrior. I have fought my entire life, sometimes without even knowing. It's in my blood, pun intended (lol). I am still singing, Susun. I know its easy to say but I want each of you to know that I do feel your thoughts directed at me and I appreciate them more than I could ever express. Thank you for sending me your positive thoughts. Instead of growing weak, I grow stronger because of it. Love will win this fight. Life will win this fight. --ARoseWolf12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hear you and understand. It is indeed the gift of people in our lives that make the fight worthwhile, that help us appreciate the beauty (and the ugliness) of life and that push us forward. SusunW (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and Gerda Arendt: Had a fever that spiked to 106 before it finally broke last night. Imm may not be on much today. I depends on how I feel. They took me for xray to try and find the second infection. As of yet unknown. I am better today but they have on oxygen. --ARoseWolf15:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please take care of yourself. Hope they are able to discover the cause of infection. Sending you positive thoughts and strength. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, SusunW. The fluids, anti-biotics and oxygen seem to be working their magic but time will tell. They don't have a clue where to begin with the infection so they want to treat it broadly and see if that takes care of it. In regards to Wikipedia, I saw this today and my heart lept with joy. Vivaldi is one of my favorite composers and I found several arrangements of Italian classical music to keep me occupied and fill my heart with the beautiful reminders of my adventures in the Italian countryside. --ARoseWolf19:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Cello is one of the instruments I have learned to play though I am no where near professional level on any of them. I used to take my pan flutes and various singing bowls out to play for the eagles when they returned during the short summer months. They sure do bring a smile. --ARoseWolf19:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love you finding yourself what I wanted to tell you when back from another outing with other friends, red roses, pics perhaps tomorrow, - I am behind with some taken sooner. I hope you found those new today, covering last weekend, 17 18 19. Keep that page watched, please. Vivaldi: the cellist who played for us the first two movements of No. 6 of the Vivaldi thought there wasn't much to tell about these pieces, - I'll tell him he was wrong ;) - That Largo should bring fever down. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, watched!! I used to listen to Vivaldi all the time. I need to get back to that place again. It does so much more than bring the fever down, it has always lifted my soul. Thank you for sharing and bringing back those memories. :) --ARoseWolf20:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello ARoseWolf -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
today
I really hate to see you having a bad day (mentioned above). Get the temp. down, and get back to mending your body. Get well - that's an order. ;-) — Ched (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, Bad days are relative. I can't truly have a bad day when I am still living life and learning and experiencing. The fever is gone and my temp is normal again, albeit with a little help from antibiotics. I am severely neutropenic so my body can't fight off infections right now. I've never taken so many medications in all my life but I am thankful it is here because it gives me a fighting chance and that's really all this warrior can ask for. One way or another, I am determined to live life to the end, regardless of when that is. I am restrained to these white walls, physically, but my Spirit still roams free over land and ocean, valley and mountain. If you were one of my brothers I would tell you where you could put those orders (I told you I am feisty) but because you are such a good friend I will accept and follow that order. Thank you, Ched. You are amazing! --ARoseWolf12:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully you will escape those 4 white walls soon. I think positive that you will have a long, healthy, and very happy life ahead. Sending cyber-hugs your way. — Ched (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your boldness in expressing what is a somewhat unpopular view on Jimmy’s page. I don’t necessarily agree, but you definitely have expressed it in a thoughtful way and it’s a valid viewpoint. And I agree we should focus on writing articles and not be slave to any particular metric! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aussie Article Writer, you prove the point that we don't have to agree to appreciate each other. :) Thank you for the kind remarks. I will admit that I find myself not sharing very often because of multiple reasons. I know many others feel the same. They don't want to bring attention to themselves because of a valid fear of being singled out. For me it is that I often have felt the intimidation of not knowing the proper wikilinks to policies and the wikilawyering. I tend to respond out of the general knowledge of what Wikipedia is with a personal spin that I acknowledge is my own. It's not polished by any means but it's genuine and comes from a good place. I don't really mind taking an unpopular stance when I know it is valid, relevant and genuine. If it is not reality then I generally will admit that as evidence is brought forward and my view of it changes. I, for the most part, won't be afraid to speak up because of experiences in the past which kept me silent. Again, thank you. The key to our collaborative success is kindness. --ARoseWolf15:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Friend, that I agree with. I have to constantly remind myself of this one core fact every day. In fact, I really need to remember that even when others were unkind to me, the urge to do likewise is not healthy, or acceptable. I gotta work on this, one day at a time. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aussie Article Writer, this is something we all struggle with because we are human. I have bad days and sometimes I even take frustrations out on others or maybe even turn something said into a misunderstanding which could escalate into bitter feelings. Being human is a mixed bag and you really never know what you are going to get. Pain and experience can also leave one jaded. I does come natural to relate with others but that doesn't mean it is always easy or that I am capable when blocked by self. Still we try. --ARoseWolf13:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your message on my talk page on fr-wp concerning les sans pagEs
Hi, thank you for your message on my talk page on fr-wp! Do you think you could share the link to the project you are doing for Women in red? I would really appreciate.
Also your message seems to be an automatic translation, and some passages are a little unclear, but you can write to me in English if you wish. Warm regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nattes à chat, no, its probably my French. I grew up in Italy near Provence and my rendition of Parisian French is probably a bit off. Who knows, I may have snuck in some Italian. Ha! If you want to check out the list I am working on you can see here, User:ARoseWolf/Wikipedia Projects Supporting Women. This is just a start and any additional information on Les sans PagEs would be greatly appreciated. --ARoseWolf19:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure if it was you or RudolfRed who gave me the answer of “even if you misplaced your mobile device, if you purchase a new device, and login with your Apple ID, the FreeOTP app should still recognize you” in retrospect, I dont even know how or why I didn’t think of that before asking the question, that was a no-brainer, it crossed my mind today. Thanks to you both once again. Celestina007 (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Celestina007, I had to use 2FA a while back when I was being stalked by my ex-husband and friends to secure my account. I've since removed it but had limited knowledge of how it worked. I am glad it has been resolved for you. If you ever need anything else or just want someone watching your account a little closer just let me know. Watching and reverting vandalism and hateful speech is really the least I can do for another human being and a fellow editor here. --ARoseWolf17:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Historical overview of projects supporting women
Hi! Thank you for starting this. I don't know if my edits/additions were helpful vs. not in line with what you were envisioning. Please let me know, as I'd be happy to remove anything which isn't a good fit. --Rosiestep (talk)
Rosiestep, you are such a sweet soul but I started this for WiR and because this was something you wanted. I just love contributing. It is all for this project that has brought me so much joy just being a part of it, especially during this time when I've felt so alone. Whatever you and project wants is what it will be. I just do my best to make it happen --ARoseWolf01:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so happy that y'all are getting to know each other @ARoseWolf and Rosiestep:. Had planned on coming here today to check on how your treatment is going ARoseWolf and tell you how good it is to see you being able to contribute so much. Just made me smile even more to see this conversation. Two of my favorite people, supporting each other cannot help but make me happy. SusunW (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Treatments are going well actually. They think I am responding to the latest round of chemo but we will know for sure when its done. I am still fighting off the secondary infection but I have felt really well the last few days. Contributing to this list has helped too. It's been fun looking for information and reading about each project. I feel he positive thoughts from my friends here and my family back home. --ARoseWolf20:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is lovely to know. I figured you were feeling pretty good, but treatment is just overall not fun. I am thinking of you. SusunW (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW: Thank you!! I truly mean that! Sometimes people say it just to be nice but I want you to know that I genuinely feel the positive energy and it does make a difference. --ARoseWolf20:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, and Ipigott: I can see us sitting around drinking coffee and sharing life experiences. I see it with my Spirit eyes and I am there my friends. Thank you for your thoughts and constant vigil over me. This community means so much to me. We are a part of something so vibrant, so energetically positive that the colours swirl fast around us. --ARoseWolf13:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be lovely to sit and have a coffee with each other? Perhaps some day that will happen. Sending you energy this morning and hope. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not we can have coffee together, I think it is great we can keep in touch day by day and collaborate on Wikipedia. I'm so glad to hear the treatment is going well and that you have been feeling better. With your strong love of life, I'm sure the improvement will continue. If you have any other ideas about what we can work on together, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Ipigott, and Rosiestep: My latest numbers show improvement. My white count went from 0.1 to 0.6 and is 0.9 today so my body is responding. Because of the remoteness of our homestead we discussed renting a place here for me to stay if I should be released which would happen if my count gets above 2.0. My sister-in-law said she would come down to stay with me in that eventuality. It's not ideal but would be best while my body continues the recovery process but will keep me close enough to the hospital. And I continue to dance to the Song of Life! --ARoseWolf17:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely fabulous news! So happy for you that your body is responding well to the treatment. I know how wonderful it is to be out of a hospital environment. Even if it isn't to your own homestead, just being among your own stuff, being able to pick your own food (I never once ate that jello they gave me at every meal), and not constantly being woken for checks of this or that is a relief. May you continue to improve and sooner rather than later be able to transition away from the hospital. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, The Most Comfortable Chair, Netherzone, DGG, Urve, Ritchie333, Parkwells, GenQuest, Atsme and I hope I didn't miss anyone but I wanted to tag all of you. Your thoughts. Your caring. Your love for other humans is what fuels the star inside each of us. Thank you all for your continued positive vibes directed at me. I still have hurdles to jump but we are finally running the race in the right direction (lol). And I have one word for the hospital jello cup, Don't (lol)!! --ARoseWolf18:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
jello? yellow? enjoy improvements, that sounds sooo exciting! (I once read a book of a couple telling the story of her breast cancer, and get treatment in Bonn, and the food is awful ... - they tell it from both perspectives, husband and wife, - sorry, forgot the title.) - As you saw already: my 12th today? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. A yellow flower pic to come (possible for August 2022), yellow roses are hidden in last year's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Like that! I uploaded 4 more pics. In the evening, there was a rainbow from the little steple, imagine. I took a pick but it's sort of not good enough. Bees this time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see more than I used to, thinking of what to send to your "cell". Do you think one of your family could picture "your" mountain and upload it? The uploading is not hard. - My song thinking of you is "Die Gedanken sind frei", DYK? (article not by me, - I would have written it for you, but it was there already) "because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt. I think a picture could be arranged. I'll definitely pass it on to Brian or one of my brothers. I may have a picture somewhere too. I'll dig around once I get home. I've been meaning to save all of my pictures to the cloud anyway. "Because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" is a pretty powerful line but accurate. Walls only serve to separate us. They have no place in relationships between individual Songs. We are meant to openly share our experiences. We are meant to paint Life together with others. Tearing down walls is difficult and dark work but very necessary to allow the Light in to places that need healing and growth. --ARoseWolf20:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Short version: I took some more, even of sunflowers ;) - Longer version: 28 August was a special concert day in 2013 - we were in the arbcase, and I feared (or let's say was sure) that Andy would be banned. Look. (He wasn't.) - Today the day became more special because Teresa Żylis-Gara, the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, remembered with thanks, and my personal memories also updated, listening to Andreas Scholl singing Bach yesterday and in 2013, a different cantata though. - Longest version: follow links, meet Hillbillyholiday who gave me a tree. - Nourishing food on the personal pics, enjoy, - I think of you even when with dear company, so not much time to post here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So glad you're heading in the right directions Rose Wolf. Keep taking good care of yourself and you'll be back to 100% in no time.
It's hard to believe its been a year since I found Wikipedia. What I have learned in a year is that this is a difficult yet rewarding place. I have had the good fortune of meeting many amazing people, some of which may not feel the same about me but that's okay. I have learned that there is a lot more to editing here than simply signing in and writing articles, so much more. I am appreciative of the collaboration and especially the discussions where there have been disagreements. We can grow and evolve naturally with no adversity to overcome or reconcile but we learn to appreciate growth when facing those things. My growth here and in life is founded in reconciliation of ideas, thoughts, philosophies, if you will. A comparison of my experiences and thoughts to others. I do not look at disagreements I have had here with others as being a negative whether my thought prevailed in a discussion or not. I take from those discussions and evaluate my own views, apply those thoughts where my evaluations dictate change is needed and evolve to continue my path. I've had a lot of time to think sitting in this bed and captured by the walls of this hospital. It has been a good time for reflection. I recommend anyone set aside that time though please don't get leukemia to do it (lol).
To those I may have offended along the way, my sincerest apologies, and I hope this finds its way to you. Never is it my intention to offend though I understand enough about humanity to know its impossible not to offend someone simply by breathing. I do empathize with you and your views in our discussions are and were valid and considered, always. Where I have made mistakes know that it has not fallen on deaf ears and I take it to heart to make changes in my approach to rectify and correct the trajectory of my journey here constantly. You are the catalyst for my growth. You have not impacted me negatively but helped to affect a positive change in my life and editing here. It's a small consolation, I know, if I could I would formally apologize to each I have offended to convey the sincerity of my heart. You are a jewel and I believe you are precious and I am sorry if anything I said or did damaged you in any way.
To those who have recognized the heart of me and have acknowledged it at some point over the last year, thank you. You are those I consider friend, confidant and the ones I have looked to at, specific times and in general, for strength, guidance and assistance. You have not let me down. Each of you possess something that attracted my being to yours, even if simply as passing ships in the night. It is nice to see the light of others and know I am not alone in a world that can seem, at times, so cold, distant and dark. I have known the depths of the shadow and I have known the depths of love. Love can overcome.
It has been a joy, a privilege and an honor to be among such amazing and talented people for the last twelve months. I hope to continue on this adventure with each of you and I look forward to the future of Wikipedia, my small part in it, and what may be just around the bend of the river. --ARoseWolf18:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy anniversary! It is hard to wrap my head around you being here for only a year. Seems like our spirits have known each other much longer. Sending you strength and energy for the adventures ahead. SusunW (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and GenQuest:, thank you both. I have felt the same about several people I have met here, Susun. My personal belief is that our Spirits have tapped into the musical strings of Life where Colors are born and Notes of creativity ebb and flow. We just found that the tones of our hearts, on some level, vibrate at the same frequency and this causes us to feel that depth reaching as far back as humans have existed, through time and space, in each other. It is warm and inviting. A rich and intoxicating love of fellowship. --ARoseWolf15:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am inspired by what you have written in this section. I think it is important to acknowledge milestones, such as your 1 Year Anniversary on Wikipedia. For sure, for some editors, it's inconsequential, and then for others -you, me, plus...-, it's a life-changer. Happy Anniversary, Asareel. So glad to have finally met you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, I have followed most of you for a year. Unbeknownst to me, I had people following me. Life is a web of strings attaching us to people, places and things which are, themselves, tied to other people, places and things. I see those connections through music and colors. Life is an extraordinary thing we know so little about or understand. We are constantly finding new species of life on the planet our entire human existence has known. It is estimated that we only understand about 15% to 20% of our oceans. There are still possibly hundreds, if not thousands, of new species of fauna, insect and animal yet to be discovered. The human eye, which is one of the most intricately complex cellular organs known to humans, only allows most to see approximately 5% of the known light and objects in the universe. Even with the help of telescopes and various filters we barely scratch the surface. We look out on the darkness of space and think there is nothing there but emptiness. There is so much more. More than our minds can grasp or understand with its finite yet remarkable capacity. But even the human brain is an unknown. Its estimated that the average human uses about 10% of its capacity for learning and understanding. Some utilize more and we call them genius. Mathematicians, scientist, engineers, great composers, poets, painters and sculptors in history, philosophers, doctors, and even some of the biggest villains the world has ever known were thought to use a higher percentage of their brain. The sum total of every human thought is found here on this blue oasis in a vast and complex structure that is our known universe. And that's only what we know and have seen. Some can see more. We call them gifted but in fact its just a part of reality, a part of our genetic code that is unlocked. Its not really superhuman, just more human, fueled by the desire for exploration, and grounded by the common curse that all humans face through time and space and that is the fleeting nature of our personal existence. That is why Wikipedia must succeed and why it must be driven by the need to catalogue humanity. All of its glorious triumphs and all of its less than stellar achievements. The love, the hate, the indifference, war and peace, joy and harmony, sorrow and shame. All of it needs to be recorded and all of it is important to the future understanding where it came from and how it evolved. I'm not saying it falls squarely on Wikipedia but now is the time in which we have been given and we are being asked what we will do with this time. Our decision will determine how well the future understands the strings that bind us together and whether they are able to build upon the Song that is the human existence on this universal plain. Long read, I know, but it gives you a little insight into my world and my overall goals for life which is sometimes masked by actions that seemingly don't line up but I have always had somewhat of an unorthodox way of influencing positive changes in others. --ARoseWolf14:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We had a discussion a couple of days ago .... but I cannot remember where, but I remember that you asked for a link to the University of Edinburgh's 50 plus editathons and its hereVictuallers (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Victuallers, Yes! Thank you! I am working on the list now so this is perfect timing. I am moving entries around to place them in chronological order within their section. --ARoseWolf16:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wondering if it wouldn't be best to include this in a paragraph or two about workshops supported or supporting Women in Red with a link to the page rather than listing each edit-a-thon since it coincides with our monthly events within the project itself? It also has a lot of other useful information on the page too. What do you think Ipigott? Rosiestep? --ARoseWolf16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When she says "met", Rosie means in person, by that time we had done a couple of live presentations together and cooperated on 100s of articles and dozens of editathons. We are presenting at Wikimania on the 15th August (where the emerging history will be mentioned). This will be my fifth talk at a Wikimania, my fourth virtual one and third with Rosie. I hope to add some early history for you, but it feels odd as I have learnt to ignore incomplete accounts/mistakes on Wikipedia where you are involved in the subject. Our collaboration with the BBC, Newnham College and our profile drive via DYK, Twitter and Pinterest etc. are important. Great work. Victuallers (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ARoseWolf: In some cases it may be difficult to see to what extent the WiR virtual editathons led to physical meetings and workshops. Maybe we should simply ask for reactions from our participants and those responsible for associated projects. If Rosiestep agrees, it might already be useful to send a request for reactions and suggestions to our international mailing list, perhaps with a similar request in our WiR invitation for September. I think we should also be careful not to include too many WiR events which are already listed in our template as there have also been similar activities in connection with many of the other women-related projects we have mentioned in the overview.--Ipigott (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ipigott, I definitely agree with keeping it more simple. The balance is finding at what point the list becomes so large that we lose most readers before they make it to the bottom. I don't know that having a complete list of WiR edit-a-thons and events is necessary but I do think highlighting several is important towards conveying the message the list is trying to get out there. I don't know that we simply need to add an event based on results or even participation but, like Ian mentioned, maybe reaching out and getting some feedback would help us narrow down what that criteria needs to be. Victuallers, this has always been a collaboration. If you have anything to add to the history of projects supporting women on any of the Wikimedia platforms then please do add it or let us know what you see that needs to be there. I'm the newbie here. I'm like the little school girl being inundated with so much information that I get lost reading about it all. Everything that all of you have done here leaves me in awe. It's why I felt some intimidation by even taking this on as much as I have. Rosie, Ian and you are so amazing and I put SusunW in that category too. Not that I have idols but if I did you all would be up there. There are so many more from these projects that leave me speechless. I look at all of these projects that we have added and I am blown away by the efforts of so many. Speaking of which, I don't mind saying, Rosiestep, your answers to those questions for the Board of Trustees election was superb and spot on. I thought you were thorough but not too wordy, if that makes sense. I commend you for seeking this position and I really enjoyed reading all of the answers from every candidate. --ARoseWolf13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ARoseWolf, thank you. I really appreciate our kind words.
As for how much to include vs. not include, I get that this is tricky. Personally, I'm an "Inclusionist" in the wiki world so I'dd opt for gathering all the info you can -historical record sort of thing-, and then parring it down by using the "hide" button for some of it, or even maybe a subpage if that makes sense. Today, WiR is 6 years old, but someday, we'll be 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, etc. years old. This kind of historical record that you're creating is vital to documenting the work that early Wikimedians (e.g. the first 20 years) have done. Wait too much longer, and it'll be easy to forget about who did what and when. Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, I'm glad you mentioned that because I was just thinking about the use of subpages. I can most definitely do that. I am very grateful for the opportunity to work with you all to gather together this historical account and build something that I believe will be beneficial through the years as the projects mature. I don't want the hard work of others to be forgotten or lost to time. I view what this list/article represents as a sort of Wampum belt weaving the colors of our foundation together and so that the generations that join after us know what they are building on. --ARoseWolf20:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully request that you clarify what you meant when you said "what the editor said by bringing you into the discussion was completely inappropriate". It was in reference to WP:ANI#Piotrus' concerns about User:BrownHairedGirl, however, MPants was complaining about me despite it being a different editor (Levivich) that brought an MPants thread into the BHG discussion. (Plus, I was not bringing MPants himself into the discussion, I was agreeing that it is odd that the MPants incivility thread did not result in sanctions while the BHG thread resulted in a block [although followed by an unblock, but the thread is still open]). 19:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC) TOAThe owner of all ☑️
TOA: I don't see the need in the mud slinging that so many engage in on AN/I and in Arbitration. There was only one reason to bring up another situation to try and make comparison and that is to make a personal point of disagreement and because someone has an axe to grind against the system or individuals. I have said this before and I will repeat it, everyone that is breathing is biased and for their own reasons. Levivich and I agree and disagree on things at times. You and I obviously disagree on some things. I am sure MPants and I disagree an some things. The same could be said about me and many other editors. Without interests there can be no conflict. Conflict of thought and perception can be beneficial when done with an open mind. I refuse to explain, in any detail, every comment I make about my perception or feeling concerning the approach of every editor for which I have agreed or disagreed. Primarily, because I am not here to change their point of view, only adjust and apply my own. I can agree with a principle without agreeing with the approach. I will say that the incivility and pure hatred in some of the comments I've read concerning that thread are astounding, to say the least. It's pure poison and destructive, the way human beings can treat other human beings over a disagreement. Unexpected, no and that's the part that is truly sad. That we have come to expect this kind of language and treatment as permissible in a situation where we are expected to be civilized. My opinion is that there are a lot of mad and angry people who really need some introflection and probably some time away from the computer and encyclopedia. That is all the detail I am able to offer. Excuse me if my expressing empathy for my fellow editor caused you or anyone offense. It doesn't change my opinion and it won't stop me from expressing empathy, regardless of whether the person on the other end is in the right or wrong based on consensus perception. I don't base my life philosophies or personal convictions on consensus perception. --ARoseWolf20:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Riddle
I decided to take you up on asking a riddle on your talk page! Here it goes, hopefully you haven't heard it!
"Solomon the powerful and wealthy king chooses to test his most loyal and trusted minister, Benaiah Ben Yehoyada, by asking of him an impossible task. The king asks Benaiah to find for him a ring, knowing full well that the ring does not exist, which has magic powers. “If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy,” he tells him. He expresses his desire to wear the ring for Sukkot, which is six months away. After months of searching, Benaiah finds himself, the night before Sukkot, walking through the poorest neighborhood of Jerusalem. He happens upon a jeweler, who, when asked if he’s heard of such a ring, produces from his pocket a plain gold ring, to which he adds an engravement. Benaiah reads the inscription and smiles. He returns just in time on the eve of Sukkot to give the king the ring he has requested. The king laughs and takes the ring, but upon reading the inscription, becomes very sad. What was engraved on the ring?" ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk19:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FormalDude, Can I pretend I haven't heard it? That would be dishonest. גם זה יעבור "This too shall pass". I've used that in philosophy of Life. Everything is fleeting. Its a great riddle and an even better lesson. --ARoseWolf19:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FormalDude, Una corda di cinque metri è attaccata a un cavallo. Il cavallo è distante 7 metri da una pila di fieno. Come fa il cavallo a raggiungere la paglia? Translated roughly: A 5-meter rope is tied to a horse. The horse is 7 meters from a pile of hay. How does the horse reach the straw? --ARoseWolf20:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When my Papa would ask riddles and we would answer with more questions he would say, "Are you asking or telling?" (lol) I miss that man so much. Ahhh, positive thoughts. Someone answer. --ARoseWolf20:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, sharpen your pencils: The professor's set of WikiTannicaWorld-cyclopedia on the shelf comprises ten volumes. Each volumes' page section is 2 inches thick. The front and back covers are each 1/2 inch thick. Bobbie the bookroom decides to eat his way through the collection, starting at the outside of the front cover of volume 1, and ending at the last page of volume 10. He can eat 1 inch of pages every hour, and 1 inch of cover material every two hours. What is the quickest Bobbie can finish his journey? GenQuest"scribble"20:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like something we learned in school one day. I failed miserably. I much preferred to be chasing bear cubs. The math is simple. Its 39 hours but then its most likely not the answer we are looking for. --ARoseWolf21:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm going wrong on variable q, I think that should be 1 hour since I put variable C as one inch. But that would change the result of the question to 29 total hours. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk21:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No actually I went wrong on variable r. It should be 2 hours because it takes 2 hours for the worm to eat 2 inches of pages. So each book would take 4 hours total, and at a total of ten books that would be 40 hours, but he is not eating the last cover, so that takes off one hour to give you 39 hours, as ARoseWolf said. I'm not sure how you get 33 hours. Maybe if I reverse the equation I can figure it out. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hint #2: ARoseWolf, FD Impressive formulation. Ad you are now on the right track. This one frustrated me no end when it was first proffered to me. Then (after a hint) I applied logic and visualization to it sometime later, and it was a face-palm moment. GenQuest"scribble"21:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You presented your efforts quite well, FormalDude; I've never seen anyone try a formula on this like you did. I think I used chalk, a blackboard, and a diagram eventually.
Answer: The key is you have to visualize the book collection as it would appear on the professor's shelf, that is reversed. Remember, the front cover of each book is to the right when the books are on the shelf–the back covers are on the left. So Bobbie doesn't even touch book one, since he is starting at its outside cover–he just goes to town eating through the BACK cover of book two which is to the right of him. The eight books (volumes 2–9) to the right of Bobbie's starting point take 4 hours each to tunnel through. (32 hours.) Then, at the other end, he comes out of volume 9 already at the back cover of volume ten, at which point he just eats through the back cover to get to last page (1 hour) leaving all the pages and front cover of volume 10 unmolested. Now its your turn again! GenQuest"scribble"22:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I definitely should have drawn that out visually. That is (contrary to what I said earlier) quite the riddle! Gonna be a hard one to follow. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk22:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know this one, and just want to clarify that this is the type of riddle (sometimes called lateral thinking puzzles) where you can ask yes or no questions (sometimes the answer is "it doesn't matter"). I am happy to answer such questions if FD doesn't mind. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This was fun. I recommend doing this often. Anytime anyone comes up with a riddle they can add it here. Definitely is better with more people involved. --ARoseWolf12:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Three months ago I was diagnosed with leukemia. I was listening to Andrea sing Ave Maria this morning and I didn't hear the doctor come in the room. He patiently waited for the song to finish and that's when I noticed him. I really get into the colors of some songs (lol). Three months ago I came here very sick. Today, I am officially in remission. I will be leaving this hospital before the end of the week. My temporary home here is ready for me and I am ready to move forward with life. I can not express how thankful I am for every single person here who ever had a single caring thought for me through this. I believe you have been through this with me and, though the fight is not over, we are winning. I laid here for the past hour crying, tears of relief and tears of joy. Every moment of pain, every setback, every fear was conquered by the outpouring of love, kindness and the caring spirit found all over my talk page. I am so, so, so grateful for each of you. You have been a light for me during some difficult and dark days. I tagged most of you but I am certain I missed a few. I wanted to say thank you!! --ARoseWolf13:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Asareel, I am literally crying tears of joy! My spirit knew that you were a fighter and my own battle with cancer told me that fighting an illness is just as much of a mental battle as a physical one. I am so happy for you. In the beginning of your journey I told you that I was sitting by your side. Know that I am still there. Best wishes for your speedy return to your life. SusunW (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Susun, I have felt you by my side many days. Thank you for your quiet strength. You pushed me to fight harder. This was my battle and I had to wage it. You are right, in some ways the mental side of this far outpaces the physical. I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends. That included my Wiki-family. This community is so unique. I love it. --ARoseWolf13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you've got through this. I've seen relatives who haven't been so lucky succumb to cancer and I hope that you really are on the mend. I think we often forget that behind every editor is a human being which we don't know very much about, or at least we only know what we're allowed to know. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Ritchie. You are so correct. Too many are lost to this disease every year. The very first thing my doctor told me when we started treatments is that this was a marathon. The team here told me this was going to be grueling and hard. I had no idea just how hard. But they also told me that they were going to go through it with me and help me along the way. I can definitely say that staying positive is a key element. I wanted each of you to know a little of what I was going through because I am human and I wanted you to see that side. It does kind of personalize it. --ARoseWolf13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Asareel, oh my gosh; such happy, good news! I'm here with my cup of coffee, and one of you, too, giving you a virtual hug. Thank you to modern medicine for helping my friend. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So glad to hear that you are on the mend and getting sprung soon. Stay strong and play hard. You seem to take things that life throws at you on your terms, A; and I like and admire that! It will serve you well. Very happy for you! p.s.: I will shortly have a Krispy Kreme donut in your honor—I see you already have your coffee. Many cheers, GenQuest"scribble"13:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy that Krispy Kreme, Gen (lol). I love life, the ups and downs. You can't expect to learn if you don't experience it. Even when it throws you something like this cancer, you just have to keep living until there is no life left. You have to. Its funny but I was asked if I ever had a moment to reflect on the possibilities of this being the end. No, not really. I have too many mountains to climb, too many sunrises to sing to, too many moons to howl at. Too many things to do here on this planet. Even more to do within this encyclopedia. I don't have time for that. Giving up was never and is never an option. I probably never will concern myself with the end. I will most likely be singing and dancing when it comes. --ARoseWolf15:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so very glad that everything is going well for you. It's easy to care for good people, so it's no surprise that you have so many supporters. — Ched (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, I have to say that one of my single most favorite moments on Wikipedia was the gift you gave to me of the Rose and the Wolf. You are a sweet and caring person. I honestly and truly love each of you. I haven't met a person here, even those I have had a disagreement with, that I don't respect and love with all my heart. We are humans and we sometimes have conflicts of interest with each other. That does not mean anyone here is my enemy. I leave room for us to be human. From the very first day I opened my eyes I have seen life in my own unique way. You have seen it through yours. How could I say I am right and you are wrong when you have never seen through my eyes and I have never seen through yours. My duty is to love and support. That's what I will do. I will always empathize even if I disagree. I celebrate our scars that reflect where we have been and the hazards of the journey. My path forward is lit so bright from the beautiful souls I have encountered along the way. --ARoseWolf15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great news, Asareel, and I'm so glad to hear you can now start relaxing again. I never had any doubts you would pull through but it's fantastic to have medical confirmation. All those difficult days in hospital have paid off and next week you'll be able to return to your friends and family. Your contributions to Wikipedia while in hospital have been impressive. I hope you can still find time for us when you get back home. Please let me know if there's anything I can help you with, either on Wikipedia or more generally. Even if you have not been able to see their smiling faces, you obviously have been in the hands of dedicated medical staff. It's so good to hear that they have once again been successful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ian, I don't plan to ever leave this community and I will always do what I can to offer support and assistance where I am able. I still have a journey to seeing all of my family again. I will have to stay close by for additional testing over the next few months to confirm I am in full remission before going home to stay but this is a monumental step. This medical team has been phenomenal from day one. I was so blessed to have them taking care of me. My contributions here seem so small but I enjoy doing them and I fully plan to continue and hopefully become more involved. --ARoseWolf15:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ave Maria! Returning from an outing with friend, after a great time with others yesterday, I am late to this thread. I dedicate a butterfly to you and your wonderful resilience. Never saw a thing like that butterfly with transparent wings, and never a thing like your strength. How do you like this Ave Maria, sung by Chanticleer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh Gerda!! You have no idea how much you have meant to me. I think I've probably turned to you during the hardest days just trying to stay positive and look to the future. It was hard. I never thought about giving up but there were times when I lost motivation. A picture, a kind word, a cheerful attitude picked me up when I needed it most. You introduced me to so many amazing people I never had the opportunity to meet here, some I have, and opened their Song up to me. You have had such a massive impact on my brief time here as an editor. Thank you for everything and the butterfly too. I don't believe you captured this picture by coincidence, my friend. --ARoseWolf15:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is wonderful news! You have a strong spririt, and that combined with the excellent medical care licked the leukemia. I'm certain the remission will continue throughout the next few months and into years. You've got this! I never had any doubts that you would get through this with flying colors (pun intended). I will eat some New Mexico green chile in your honor with my breakfast tamale! (Chile and coffee are my drugs of choice, ha ha!) Blessings to all. Netherzone (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone, Yes, Yes! Eat a chile for me. Thank you for your faith in my recovery. The medical team here definitely was an enormous factor. I am just so excited! I am beside myself. The nurse came in for vitals and told me I am simply glowing. Probably all the radioactivity but, hey, glow any way you can (lol). Honestly though, it's me reflecting the beautiful light that is everyone here. You all are my blessing. --ARoseWolf16:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Hi, fellow chile lover! I swear by the fact that chile is serious medicine. Sometimes in the Fall I will buy a ten pound sack, roast it, peel it, and freeze it for the coming cold weather. I never wear gloves, and absorbing the chile juice through the skin like that makes EVERY little ache and pain throughout my body go away - for days. I think it also has mood-elevating properties that give a person a sense of well being. And it makes the house smell so good. Sounds like you have a great chile sauce collection; I will have to look for Marie Sharp's. Netherzone (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone and ARoseWolf: And in honor of Alaska, her "Smokin' Marie's" was inspired when she watched Salmon being smoked there. OMG, it is divine! And yes, living in the land of no winter (yay!) we get all sorts of chiles fresh year round. The do have amazing healing properties.
@Netherzone and SusunW: I keep an herb garden inside and we have a small greenhouse that I grow some vegetables in during the growing time which isn't long. My favorite is wildflower salads. I can grow things a little longer because of the heated greenhouse but nothing is going to hold by -60°F for long so I am still limited by that. My eldest brother wants to build a larger greenhouse but, I keep telling him and he understands, the larger it is the harder it is to keep warm. We may have to go with several smaller ones. --ARoseWolf19:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Mmmm, girl, we need cultural exchange time. I'm petitioning the UN. I'll bring the wild flower salad, you bring the chile's and hot sauce. Netherzone, you want in on this? You can bring Tamale's. Its been a while since I've had a good one. --20:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OMG, ARoseWolf, fabulous idea! Netherzone there is a torilliaria 1/2 a block from my house where we can get masa freshly ground (methinks customs wouldn't let you bring it in). Also here they do tamales in banana leaves rather than corn husks. It'd be cool to make both so we can compare. I have banana trees in the back yard, as well as a chaya bush (tree spinach), which makes amaaaaaazing tamales. I shall try very hard not to eat up all my Smokin' Marie's, because right now travel to and from Belize is limited. (Usually I have a steady supply as every visitor from there knows what to bring me, LOL) SusunW (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Yummy, freshly made masa and a selection of banana leaf and corn husk tamales, with different fillings. I'm not a vegetarian, so I do eat pork & red chile tamales and chicken and green chile tamales, but cheese and green chile is one of my favorites also. I sometimes make slightly sweet breakfast tamales with dried fruit filling that gets softened during the steaming process. Pour a little cream on top before eating, and wow! Do you use the chaya as a filling or a wrapping? Tree spinach sounds AMAZING! Are you in Belize? For some reason I thought Costa Rica. Netherzone (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone Southern Mexico now (Yucatán), but before that in Belize. I'm not a vegetarian either, but I do eat vegetarian a lot. Chaya, cheese and caramelized onions with or without grilled meat is typical here and I love green chile or red chiles in them. That fruit one sounds amazing. SusunW (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so happy to hear this news, and so happy for you! (I take it as a victory whenever I log in here and find good news instead of bad.) We only crossed editing paths recently, but I can truly say that every interaction we have had has been an absolute pleasure. And the thought of a greenhouse full of vegetables is such a lovely one. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Tryp. I agree that it has been a pleasure. I try to keep it that way though the opposite is sometimes unavoidable. it's especially lovely when you can have a greenhouse full of fruits and vegetables in the Arctic Circle. It looks like a rain forest in my little greenhouse during the short growing season (lol). With my sickness this year the greenhouse is, sadly, dormant. I've been helping them prepare from here as much as I can. We would normally start winter supply runs this month but we are two weeks behind on those already. It's going to be close. The first real snows could fall as soon as the end of September into early October so the race is on. They will be starting to get some twilight now but only about four to five hours of it. We will start seeing temps on the decline now. High's everyday are in the upper 40's to low 50's and it will get down to near freezing at night. In September it really starts declining fast. In another three to four weeks we will see low temps drop into the lower 20's and 10's. --ARoseWolf12:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Atsme, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! --ARoseWolf19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is wonderful to hear, my friend. I saw your ping almost immediately but have wondered how to respond to something so joyous. But as I went on a walk tonight, thinking of what to say, I looked at the sky, weblike with its stars, punctured, the moon occluded by its own shadow, I thought about navigating knowledge and fragility and incompleteness and the impossible task of representation. (I think of the quote I shared before.) There is a wonderful song by Cap'n Jazz, "Oh Messy Life", that I have loved since I first heard it - and which has made its way into many of the papers I've written over the years, from subjects ranging from pure math to epistemology. "Fire is motion / Work is repetition / This is my document / We are all all we've done". Your life is your document - and that includes Wikipedia - and you are so much. Urve (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Awwww, thank you for this, Urve. We are all that we have done and it is beautiful to me. I absolutely love listening to our Life Song's. It's hard to explain how I actually see our lives, our contribution to this symphony. I adore this movie I watched years ago because, though it is a fictitious story, it gives us a glimpse into a world most will never see. I live with it every day. Music IS all around us. We are music, life is music. A while ago I heard sound recordings from outer space from NASA, all of these celestial bodies putting on a show for us, and I know the songs they play. I hear them in us. It doesn't matter whether I am in a city or home in the mountains. Everything moves to a frequency. Everything vibrates, even the Earth beneath us. We are no different. We have strings and the notes of our unique Life and personality are played on those strings. As the notes of our Song are played the sounds expand out from us in waves of color. We are Rainbows of music. It's really very beautiful and, yes, messy. There are skips, a lot like when vinyl records would get scratched and it would skip and jump, that thump. Those are the scars made from collisions in life with things, people and experiences that moved at different frequencies. These scars tell the story of where we have been, what we have come through. They will also help guide us to where we want to be. There is nothing more beautiful than the human Song. We just have to be willing to listen. --ARoseWolf13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment just above reminded me of something. In case you haven't heard of it already, there is: this. It's hardly anything as momentous as outer space, but it is a sort of musicalized real-time record of Wikipedia recent changes. It's interesting and relaxing, in my opinion, in a synthetic music sort of way. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, '...if I ever am brought up before Arbitration I will not defend myself.' I understand. However, not defending one's self is ironically one of the main FoF for which Arbcom invariably choose to close by sanctioning the accused whether guilty or not, and generally with the most severe punishment they can convince the community is necessary. It happens often. I speak from first-hand experience.
Hello Kudpung. I know this all too well. I read your interactions with ArbCom months ago and your experience is one of the factors that made up my decision. If I am sanctioned more harshly for not defending myself against the proverbial "firing squad" then so be it. I do not feel it just to subject someone to the kind of mud-slinging destructive process that is the typical ArbCom case involving the perceived behavior of others based solely on the bias of those who oppose them. We suddenly view other people as obstacles that must be overcome and defeated at any cost and ArbCom then becomes a weapon to accomplish this goal. Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence is something I will not tolerate. I stand by my statement knowing full well the implications and consequences. I don't anticipate it ever happening as I typically do not edit in very contentious discussions and when I do I try to bring a level of understanding and peaceful reflection though I am human and will make mistakes.
When the Nazi's took over a region or another country they convinced locals that the Jews and other minorities among them were the reason for why their life seemed miserable and why they were not wealthy. They even blamed these groups for why others would get sick. They then asked the populace what they thought should be done to these groups that were holding them back. The obvious answer was punishment. But that wasn't severe enough so the answer became to deprive them of all the things these people believed they were being deprived of, life, liberty, wealth and health. At first they formed local police forces that would exact these punishments upon the "guilty". Soon they were instructed to drag these individuals and families out of their homes and dispose of them as you would trash on the street. Some refused but very few did. Why? Why was it not abhorrent to our humanity that they were being instructed to end another life? Because they had been conditioned, even without knowing it, that this other life was going to end them if they didn't. They were being told this other life is a threat to their own. I think, to a lesser degree, this is prevalent in other areas of life, including Wikipedia. I would never wholly compare wat happens here to the atrocities committed there but the principle behind it is the same. In truly egregious cases of behavior we should take corrective measures to protect others. But in the majority of the ArbCom cases I have reviewed I simply see humans being humans and it didn't warrant the comments given or decisions rendered. that is not to blame the arbitrators, specifically, though there is enough there to do so in some cases, as much as it is a rebuke of the community that, so often, refuses to work through issues rather than run to ArbCom to resolve them for us. --ARoseWolf14:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence... This is indeed sadly exactly what happens, and the more one chooses not to defend one's self, the more severe the accusations are made to appear, and increasingly more trolls jump on the bandwaggon. Even Arbcom members allow themselves to overstep the bounds of decency (diffs available), but they are the truly 'untouchables'. Decent Wikipedians can only hold on to a glimmer of hope that the likes of Chris Sherlock (goodness knows why he was ever allowed back and to continue his spree) are as rare as they probably are, but he'll be back in yet another disguise and choosing another victim for his (as hinted here by Llywrch) pathological game.
A propaganda message is aligned to popular perception (such as in our case 'all admins are bad people'), and when it has already gained the attention of the people, the bigger the lie is, the more it is likely to be believed. Hitler knew how to use this perfectly. Resentment in Germany towards the Treaty of Versailles was strong after WW1, and the Weimar Republic was unable to do anything about it and Germany broke down in chaos. Hitler gave the people elements: 1. an awareness of the threat to the German ideal - an ideal that goes back to the strict and pompous order of the Hohenzollern or even earlier, and 2. A promise to do something about it, and using the Jews and the Bolsheviks as scapegoats (propaganda always works best if you give the people a punching bag). When taken to task about their decisions, Arbcom simply raises its hands and says "We're only doing our job". So did the German jurists, police, and 'clean' military who enforced the Nuremberg Laws and carried out the Endlösung. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kudpung, "I was only following orders" is what you would typically hear. That sounds a lot like "We were only doing our jobs". There is no order that can be given which removes the basic rights every human being should be afforded and there is no job that one should be allowed to hide behind as an excuse for violating the basic rights of others. The human Song should be treated with dignity and respect. I do not want to get into specifics on Chris' time here but I believe he was allowed to leave with some semblance of dignity and I wish him the best in life. I have communicated with Chris in the past, both on and off-wiki, and I have and will continue to treat him with respect as a human being while also maintaining filters that will protect myself and others from negativity.
Shortly after WW2 a study was conducted in the US to try and determine how anyone could do the things that were done at the concentration camps in Germany and Poland. A group of people were brought into an auditorium and were given instructions about this experiment that was being performed. They were told that the test was being conducted on individuals that had committed crimes against humanity. They were handed forms that contained biographies on every convicted person used for the experiment. They assured everyone in the room that these individuals had been convicted by the US judicial system. The convicts were supposedly lead into a room and strapped to a desk. They had a monitor placed on their head to measure brain activity and they had diodes attached to their skin at various location that would administer a shock of varying degrees that was controlled by a system of dials and buttons on a console located in an adjacent room. One of the people from the auditorium that was "randomly" selected from the public to be in the experiment was lead to this adjacent room and given instructions on how to operate the console. They were told they would be informed by the "chief" doctor in control of the experiment as to what power level to use and when to push the button to administer the shock. They always started low but eventually these people were instructed to administer fatal levels of electricity to the convicted person in the other room. NO ONE refused to push the button effectively killing another human being. Even hearing the screams of those in the other room did not deter them. They all chose to kill this other human going simply on what others, they presumed in authority, had told them about the individuals and when questioned afterwards they almost all said they were told these were bad people and so they followed orders given by the authority over the experiment. Some did hesitate but eventually pushed the button. They were asked why they hesitated and they said they didn't want to be responsible for the death of another human but, ultimately, concluded that the authorities must know what they are doing and so they followed the instructions out of fear of being ridiculed for not obeying a direct order. We are all capable of this. No one is immune. We must recognize this and never allow ourselves to lose sight of the fact that human dignity is not contingent upon what someone else says. There are consequences to actions but unless you physically witnessed those actions and have a complete understanding of every aspect of the situation then how could we ever believe we have the right to pass judgement upon another human. We damn sure shouldn't be executioner of any punishment simply based upon what an "authority" tells us. --ARoseWolf13:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would like to point out that no one was actually harmed in the experiment. It was all conducted to see if people would follow orders blindly or simply based upon what was being told to them by someone they would view as being an authority. Had it been real, over 50 humans would have lost their lives based upon what an authority said. I'm reminded of what I was told years ago, "Every villain is a hero to their side". --ARoseWolf13:25, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A kitten for you!
Hi ARoseWolf! I really like the Teahouse response you gave here to the editor passionate about skateboarding. We should all strive to give helpful friendly empathetic responses like this. Keep up the good work!
@Kudpung, GoingBatty, and FormalDude:, thank you so much for the kittens. I miss my Persephone. My daughter says she sits in the window watching for me to come home. She'll have to wait just a little longer. I appreciate this more than I can express. It's very sweet and thoughtful of all of you. --ARoseWolf11:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GenQuest, My cat hardly ever goes outside the house up at the homestead. Too many things may see her as a quick meal, although, when we lived in Haines she would chase off the bears. I literally saw her chase bears from my property down there on multiple occasions. --ARoseWolf15:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Narky Blert, I would send it to him and just say that its a site you thought he might enjoy reading through. Let him take that journey of discovery if he chooses to or not. I think its very thoughtful of you. All we can do is point people in the direction of things we think that might help them. They have to decide to walk that path. They have to decide if it is a help for them or not. --ARoseWolf13:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A barnstar for you!
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I see you, ARoseWolf! Next camper I down will be dedicated to you, whether you like it or not (I suspect not). Kind (kind!) regards, El_C15:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
El_C, If there was a barnstar for making Asareel choke on her tea with laughter then you would be the very illustrious owner of such a prestigious and rare award. It would amount to about .00000000000000000001% notability, give or take a zero or ten, so you have that going for you. Thanks for the laugh and for seeing me. I really appreciate the act of kindness in giving me this barnstar of kindness. My cat would be proud or stare at me with the usual indignant look she gives any creature she believes beneath her royal status. --ARoseWolf15:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GenQuest, Мне пришлось научиться немного говорить по-русски, когда я посетил Санкт-Петербург много лет назад. Я хотел посетить Москву, но мы не хотели останавливаться, поэтому просто ездили по городу. Я самоучка, поэтому я уверен, что делаю много ошибок. --ARoseWolf12:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Xa-xa! Учил себя русскому? Гений! Смешной! и круто! Код секретности. -Iskatel' Genealogii
Iskatel' Genealogii, Вообще-то, моим кодом секретности был идиш. Только мой папа и моя бабушка могли говорить на идиш. Когда мы с бабушкой хотели поговорить о личном и интимном, мы всегда использовали идиш. Мой папа не разрешал публично говорить ни на каком другом языке, кроме английского, потому что он не хотел, чтобы другие люди чувствовали себя неловко рядом с нами. Моя бабушка помогала мне нарушать правила, за что папа всегда строго смотрел на меня, но часто озорно улыбался. --ARoseWolf13:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Rose, my 🌹 For you, As Your Name's Rose, And its Green Leaf as Your Valid/Precious Contributions on The Wikipedia, And its Beauty as your Beautiful User Page. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, Ooooooo, wow, the first? Thank you so much, beautiful Light. I love the grapes. Reminds me of my grandparents vineyards in Italy. I have run through the rows of grapes quite a few times. Also the time I met Andrea Bocelli and he sang happy birthday to me. Sigh-so many great memories from what seems like a lifetime ago. --ARoseWolf13:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, I figured as much. I was bogged down at that time with everything. I should have said something. I apologize for being absent minded. My focus was just on getting well. --ARoseWolf19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, I didn't intend for you to feel you missed something. Getting well IS your focus, for all of us. How do you like the Ave Maria I gave you further up? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, Nooooo, you didn't make me feel bad or anything. I just hate to miss out on special days for my friends. Birthdays were like most holidays growing up, we didn't celebrate many. That was the compromise my Catholic Mama and my Jewish Papa made with each other. They acknowledged special days but we never celebrated outwardly. They viewed them as a personal journey. We were allowed to determine our own beliefs and build our own philosophy, many included religious viewpoints. The exceptions to the celebration rules were my 13th birthday and when I turned 18 and left to live with my brother in Nepal for a year or so. That was quite the interesting experience. On my 13th birthday my grandmother made me read through the Torah. I read for nearly five hours, out loud, in Hebrew. Then we celebrated with both an Italian and Hebrew meal. I look back on my childhood and early teens very differently than most would. Many would call it tragic, it certainly contained a lot of that, and some would call it odd, very fitting, but I see it as a very rich and deeply meaningful journey to where I am now. --ARoseWolf19:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, most languages I know are self-taught but a few, like Hebrew and Yiddish, were taught to me by my grandmother. She was my school teacher early in my life. Then my Mama became my teacher. I had issues which kept me from attending public school like my siblings but I still excelled and graduated high school. I was also a pretty good archer competing in state competitions. Btw, English was, by far, the hardest to learn for me. --ARoseWolf20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! I noticed you replied to someone on the teahouse who asked something in French and translating it through Google it appeared to make sense. It made me wonder if you had used Google Translate or if you're actually fluent in speaking (/writing) in French. I looked at your profile and saw nothing indicating you would be fluent in French (considering you lived in Italy for a while so it seems more likely that you would be fluent in Italian). So what's the answer, did you use Google and it happened to make sense when being translated back or are you actually fluent in French? Thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, I am pretty fluent in French though not the Parisian French that I responded in. Provence, Dauphiné, Savoy and Nice all border the Piedmont region of Italy. If you visit the region you will hear a mixture of Italian and French as well as the accustomed differences in dialect one would expect. I do not use Google translator for French, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, Yiddish, Portuguese or German. I may not be able to speak it well but I understand most of those languages and if I run across a word I do not understand I usually ask so that I can learn further. I have heard that Google translator teaches very little and gets a lot of things wrong. --ARoseWolf16:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah that's cool. I didn't even know there were different types of French. You're not wrong that Google Translate isn't all that good (hence the reason a lot of people have been putting things through multiple layers of Google Translate and it coming out completely different), however I think for a rough translation in more common/popular languages it does alright. However in languages such as Urdu for example, Google Translate shouldn't be used. Thanks for informing me on this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, you are most welcome. There are dialects in almost every language. Notice that I called it the Piedmont region of Italy. That is because Italian spoken where I lived is slightly different than the Italian spoken in Rome though I have taught myself to speak several dialects. I am human and prone to a less than perfect delivery. When I speak to others it is generally standard Italian but words slip. We were only allowed to speak English in public once we moved to the US. We had to speak only Italian or Hebrew at home. --ARoseWolf16:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, My parent's rule. My Papa was concerned that speaking Italian or Hebrew in public would make people think we were talking about them and because his business was reliant upon public perception he felt that was inappropriate. At the same time, they had an appreciation for heritage and so they wanted us to maintain that so we only allowed to speak those languages in the home. --ARoseWolf19:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, Of course, I don't mind sharing anything I can. As I noted in a discussion I just had, we are not solo dancers in life. We learn by watching others dance and sometimes we are lucky enough to have another person to dance with us. --ARoseWolf19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, you said WP:AGF is non-negotiable. WP:CIVIL is non-negotiable. Both probably need to take a break or both might end up with a TBAN, or more, and before you say anything. Please clarify which one of my messages violated these. we can all see your talk page and we know you've had some issues with civility in the recent past. I am open to discussing this, however, this was a seperate issue with another editor and has no relationship to the current discussion at ANI. The disparaging remarks on ethnicity and back-in-forth as if this is a battleground needs to stop. I did not comment on other user's ethnicity, I did not disparage anyone's ethnicity. I am willing to make a further explanation if you quote the most violative message I posted but I strongly believe that there is no such comment in any of my messages. Best regards.--V. E. (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Visnelma, my statement was made on AN/I based on the assessment of this case. I choose not to discuss it further outside of the staements I have made but if you want to include your views please do so at AN/I. I believe my statements need no further clarification. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf17:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification
Hi, regardless of your opinion, I thank you for sharing your thoughts on ANI. However, there is one point I want to clarify: I neven accused ZeusAmmon1 over his ethnicity; probably the reason for why you thought like that is ZeusAmmon1's misquotation of one of my messages. I am not urging you to write a respond at ANI; however, I don't want you to think me to be a person who really did that either. Stay well and best regards.--V. E. (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Visnelma, Regardless of what I concluded from my assessment I do not think ill of you personally. I understand how off-wiki groups can be frustrating, especially when they are trying to influence what is included on Wikipedia. It is a serious issue and it should be addressed. The same for sock puppets. My call is for continued civility and kindness from everyone. Just a reminder for all of us. --ARoseWolf21:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Going Home
SusunW, Gerda Arendt, all my other Wiki-friends and fellow jaguars, I have received the all clear to return home. I will be spending this week helping my sister-in-law with the plans and communicating with my brothers back home. With any luck we will be leaving here within a week and make a pitstop to order supplies that will be delivered in the next couple of weeks. I will have a reduced presence for the next week but will still check in as often as possible. I am excited to be going home and getting life back to as normal as I am used to. Thank you so much for all of your thoughts, caring words, prayers, songs and pictures. You have no idea what they have meant to me or how they have seen me through very difficult days. I know many believe it was my strength that got me through and is the reason I am here today. I do have an inner strength that is powerful but there were times when even it waivered. Your strength, your love, your kindness pushed me towards the goal of complete recovery and still does. Finding this community and this encyclopedia to invest my time into has been extremely beneficial and I am eternally grateful. --ARoseWolf19:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is such excellent news, Asareel. I am so excited for you. Literally dancing in celebration. May you have a safe journey home and your homecoming be filled with love, laughter, music, and rainbows. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and Tryptofish: You both are so cool. Thanks for your responses. I'll take a few days to get readjusted once I get there and then my sister-in-law and I are planning on taking our daughters backpacking. It wont be far from the homestead, just a few miles, but I so just want to be out in the fullness of nowhere. I love the sounds of the city but I also need my quiet nature. Just have to ease back into it. --ARoseWolf11:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
After our sojourn in Belize, which I loved but was difficult in a lot of ways, I decided I would never again not live in a city. I missed the hustle and bustle, the people, the "aliveness" of it, and admittedly the medical service and internet. However, though I live in the heart of the city, literally "Centro", I have a massive garden, full of banana, orange, and lime trees, flowers, hummingbirds, iguanas, possums, the daily migrating parrots, and tons and tons of bees and butterflies. When I am out there (many times daily unless it is raining), you cannot hear the city and it is bliss. I totally get it. Have fun, don't overdo it but at the same time push yourself, build your strength. Most importantly, love your life and the people in it. SusunW (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, I love the sounds. Oh, Susun, walking amongst other people and listening to them living life is like sitting through a concert and listening to a symphony feature every instrument. Its breathtaking in all its majestic beauty. I am in love with people, with our colors, with our songs, with our dance in life. Sometimes I wonder how that impacts me here. I'm not a great writer or a phenomenal researcher. The words I share are from the heart. I make edits where I can and I write new articles as I can find sources but I'll never be as prolific an editor as some here that have written hundreds of featured or even good articles. I am okay in my own skin being who I am while also pushing myself to expand, learn and be better. --ARoseWolf14:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is all of that, but it also can be overwhelming, thus the need for sanctuary and a place to escape from "peopling" from time to time. You are a story-teller, when a story speaks to you, you tell it. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw the "headline", Going Home, on your page and I am so happy for you. Going Home: it is relatable to everyone, any language, anywhere. But, of course, to know that you wrote it, is lovely. I hope all the days ahead -whether on city roads or backpacking trails- shine bright for you. Looking forward to reading about what's ahead as your writing is an inspiration. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, Thank you for such a lovely message. I think my next step is going to be getting all my journal entries together this Winter and, hopefully, get it to Ian in the Spring to look at options for publication. That and pictures. With any luck I may be an author one day soon. On Wikipedia I need to finish the article on Wild River and then I need to write one for Wild Lake. --ARoseWolf16:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great! And what a wonderful image to go along! In case you have an extra minute sometime: today is the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! - Looking forward to you as an author! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, inner voices sounds like me. lol Everyone thinks I'm crazy. Maybe I am. Grandfather visits me and animals sometimes speak to me, obviously not with a voice like ours but I still understand them. When we first moved to this homestead I was talking to a friend on my tablet and I felt my ears burn red hot. I walked outside to cool off and Brian followed me. I sat down on the steps and I heard some drums. I'm crazy but not that crazy. We do have Native's in our area so its possible though not likely. It could have been my heartbeat too. Anyway, next thing we both know an older male wolf comes out of the wood line and zigzags over to me sitting on the steps. Brian went to get the rifle we keep behind the door but I stopped him. The wolf laid his head in my lap and closed his eyes for what seemed like forever but was actually only about three minutes. I rubbed his head while he just stayed there. After three minutes he lifted his head, drank some water from a bowl beside me I had set outside for the dogs to drink from, looked at me, shook himself and turned and zigzagged back to the wood line then disappeared. Truly bizarre and had Brian not been standing there no one in this world would have believed me but its all true. I think maybe the Spirits of the land were welcoming me but everyone has their own thoughts on it. The very next day I started renegotiations for logging on property that we bought. For every tree taken there are three planted and I severely limit the amount taken. Also, most of our portion of the profits go to the local Athabascan tribes that were stewards of the land long before we arrived. We also set to tear down any fencing, which there wasn't much, but what was up did limit caribou migration through the area. My goal has always been to restore the land, not further divide it. --ARoseWolf18:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, that's not even my first encounter with wolves. I was adopted by a small pack in Southern Alaska. That's a long but interesting story I will have to tell you sometime. I still think about them often and I took Ariana to meet them once. I wrote a journal entry from her perspective as well as mine. --ARoseWolf19:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Asareel, I came here to post a "thank you" for reminding that one user that WP:IAR doesn't exempt them from WP:NPA, and for sticking up for me. Glancing over the recent discussions here I also want to take the opportunity to wish you health and to say that I admire your perspective on community and purpose in life. I wasn't aware of any disagreements you and I have had in the past, though of course these could be opinions which you have kept to yourself as is your right. If you feel like unpacking what you were referring to I would welcome that, but likewise I would understand if you have other priorities. In any case, just wanted to reach out to say that I value and appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and (I'm sure) to the world we share. Generalrelative (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Generalrelative, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to give the impression that we have actually had disagreements in the past. I don't know of any at all. I sometimes do the very thing my Grandmother used to do. She talked in parables and riddles of sorts but it was always to educate and make me think from a different perspective. In me saying that we may disagree on many things what I am saying is that we might have disagreements that neither of us know about. It just leaves room for our very nature as humans. What my intention was is to say disagreements should never result in us not being able to be kind, respectful and understanding of each other nor does it give us a pass to violate policy here. It's easy to be civil when we agree on things. True civility is found when we passionately and emphatically disagree on something. That's when we find out if we truly understand and appreciate each other. Again, I am so sorry if there was confusion. Thank you for the kind and beautiful message you left and for your continued well wishes. I appreciate them more than any words can express. --ARoseWolf19:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, no need to apologize! I had clearly read too much into it. It is indeed a good practice to emphasize that disagreement should never be equated with conflict. As you say, true civility only really shows up in the context of lively and even passionate debate. Thanks for that reminder, and for your thoughtful engagement. Generalrelative (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
UNIVAC
Hi there!,
Sorry if this is extra I just found a page on here that I want to share with someone who knows a bit more about this big project than me. I found you via stumbling into the PumpkinSky Award wikipage then Phaedriel then Gerda Arendt's talk page but not knowing how to reach out to her and then seeing your comment thanking her for her work and then seeing your user page mention your desire to honor your indigenous family and ancestors and your wiki philosophy and then also reading the wikipedia principles by hammersoft that you shared (thank you).
So with that context out of the way: I made a really messy post on the talk page for this "nonexistent article" (I can't include screenshots bc I don't have a wiki account yet so I'll just copy text). I'm sorry if you already know about it or if its a waste of time to you...the way I found it just seemed significant to me and maybe you know someone on here that this page might be of use to?
TEXT FROM THE ARTICLE:
Universal Automatic Computer
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COPY OF WHAT I PUT ON THE TALK PAGE FOR THE ARTICLE:
this is written as a narrative style post. idk how to code and i dont have a wiki account. I just look up the etymology of words for fun and fell down a rabbit hole that feels fun to play around in. open source AI huh. well lets open up that pandoras box lol. the word lemma is related to quechua 'llama' is related to the hebrew word for 'WHY' and I believe the quechua page for wik'una (also the name for a llama like animal?? I think???) links to the word vicuna (with a tilde over the n, my laptop just doesn't currently support accent marks) the page for the word vicuna lists an anagram for vicuna: UNIVAC. The UNIVAC page says that UNIVAC stands for: UNIVersal Automatic Computer
clicking UNIVAC took me to a "non-existent" (it exists and works as a link its just kinda blank. in my humble opinion it would be fun to have the UNIVAC page include a link to create a wikipedia account and how to understand wikipedia editing/posting guidelines for newbies)
My signature/sign off is below and includes my personal political opinions. I would really like to believe that there is a moral arc to the universe and that it has the option to move towards therapuetic empathetic justice. Sorry if thats messy to talk about so blatantly. Dakota(friend)64.6.120.100 (talk) 08:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These two editors seem to want to block any change claiming its that all other editors are sockpuppets, so they can revert any and all changes.
Fair winds and following seas
S'up Fella (upercase!). I know two editors that use Rose in their usernames, both are females. But it can be masculine, why not? El_C12:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you
You offered fair criticism on both myself and the other party involved. While I disagree with your assessment, I appreciate that your views are consistent. Buffs (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Buffs, its okay to not agree. I try to be consistent because so many are not. It's always like a swinging pendulum going from one extreme to the other. Life can be stressful enough without all of that. I am not delusional enough to think we will always agree and it would be a pretty boring place if we did anyway but we can remain calm when dealing with each other and we can show each other kindness. State your views. You are entitled to them and they are valid because they are real to you. We can stay civil in the process. What can not continue is the disruption. We have to be able to collaborate freely or this encyclopedia will never even come close to reaching max effectiveness. --ARoseWolf12:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe dialogue is key and generally do not ban anyone from my talkpage, but I've been harassed for almost 15 years on Wikipedia (continuing as recently as yesterday and literally involving up to accusations of murder) and condescension & taunting takes their toll. I appreciate your feedback and will do my best to incorporate it. Buffs (talk) 16:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Buffs, I am genuinely sorrowful that you have experienced that and have felt this way over the years. No one should have to endure that type of behavior. I often heard my Grandmother talk about how her mother would tell her about their escape from Germany during WW2. She would always tell my grandmother who passed it down to us that it should be strange to us that human beings would actively incriminate, hunt down, force imprisonment and eventually exterminate another group of humans just because of where they were born and what their heritage is, both out of their control, but the reason it is not so strange is because we encounter it all the time as hateful and disparaging words, making cruel accusations and throwing around mean-spirited vitriol in the name of free-speech or social justice, both of which might offer instant gratification but ultimately are designed for a single purpose, destruction of the human race. I am not against free-speech or social justices but I am against their use to destroy another human being regardless of that human beings belief and regardless of whether their beliefs are the same as mine or not. Wikipedia is a privately operated system which means it can limit or expand its services and content as much as it wants. Anyone using its services has to follow its guidelines and rules. The public square is not privately owned or operated and what I see from every side in the public square genuinely frightens me to my core. There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person. --ARoseWolf17:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person". I agree completely. Too many people aren't even interested in winning any more, just tearing down opponents. Buffs (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Csy06001: First and foremost, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. I am so glad you are here and excited to see how you contribute to our amazing community and this wonderful project. I left a little welcome message with some helpful tips and links on your talk page. To answer your question directly, you can follow this link (WP:AUTOCONFIRM) and it will explain the autoconfirmation process in detail. You can also check out some of the other user access levels while there. I so encourage you to soak up as much knowledge as you can before jumping off into editing. This is an exciting time in your journey of being an editor here because you have the chance to learn and grow. If I can can help you with anything please ask and you can also check out the teahouse too. Again, I am so excited for you and I really hope you enjoy being a part of this community. Remember to be BOLD and please don't get discouraged. --ARoseWolf19:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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