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===New RfC against me===
===New RfC against me===

==Declaratie==

Eu declar pe Node ca dusmanul Romaniei si tot neamul romanesc, nord si sud de Dunare, iar toti care il sprijina, eu ii declar ca tradatori de tara si de neamul romanesc, sud si nord de Dunare. Acesti tradatori, deocamdata, sunt Ronline si Orioane. Uita-ti ce a spus Node nu de mult:
[[Image:Node.png|thumb|Node]]
<blockquote>I claim to be a Moldovan. My parents are from that country of Moldova, and I have that blood of my ancestors running in my veins, so I am Moldovan ,and you are not. I admit I have a poor control of our language, but please, find me a Jewish guy who will say the holocaust never happened. I am Moldovan, I speak the Moldovan language as my mother tongue (although unfortunately I have lost quite a bit of it), the nation of Moldova was founded by the blood of my ancestors, who were repressed by Turks, Wallachians, Russians, but in the end have finally prevailed. Do not presume to speak for the Moldovan people. Do not say we are not spoken for when we are. Unpatriotic apologists like Pavel have as their greatest wish of all, that they were born in Romania, and they like to pretend they are Transylvanians, because they think that by emulating Transylvanians, they will suddenly become wealthy. Your politicians and youir historicqal ties have forced us to abandon the beautiful Moldovan literary language in favour of your ugly Wallachian writing.</blockquote>

[http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Alegeri#Ethical_question Link]

Eu cu acesti tradatori de tara, ca Ron is Orioane, nu vreau sa am treaba. Numai Vasile si Alex au luptat pentru dreptate. Restul de voi ati stat si va-ti uitat ca mata in calendar. --[[User:Anittas|Anittas]] 15:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)



Good news for Jmabel, Node, and the like; Ronline, together with some other dudes, started a new RfC against me: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Anittas_2 RfC - Part II]. They accuse me of making racist attacks, anti-gay remarks, and much more. I believe they aim to have me banned and this time, they might succeed, because they will be strong in numbers. I ask the people who are interested in following the current events, or who enjoy a good Wiki drama, to go there and read the arguments, and if willing - to support whatever side they believe in. If Ron and his fellows succeed in having me banned, then I hope you guys will continue to work on Ro articles and perhaps expand [[Battle of the Cosmin Forest]] and [[History of Moldavia]], while watching over my favourite article, [[Battle of Vaslui]]. Sanatate! --[[User:Anittas|Anittas]] 23:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Good news for Jmabel, Node, and the like; Ronline, together with some other dudes, started a new RfC against me: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Anittas_2 RfC - Part II]. They accuse me of making racist attacks, anti-gay remarks, and much more. I believe they aim to have me banned and this time, they might succeed, because they will be strong in numbers. I ask the people who are interested in following the current events, or who enjoy a good Wiki drama, to go there and read the arguments, and if willing - to support whatever side they believe in. If Ron and his fellows succeed in having me banned, then I hope you guys will continue to work on Ro articles and perhaps expand [[Battle of the Cosmin Forest]] and [[History of Moldavia]], while watching over my favourite article, [[Battle of Vaslui]]. Sanatate! --[[User:Anittas|Anittas]] 23:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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Declaratie

Eu declar pe Node ca dusmanul Romaniei si tot neamul romanesc, nord si sud de Dunare, iar toti care il sprijina, eu ii declar ca tradatori de tara si de neamul romanesc, sud si nord de Dunare. Acesti tradatori, deocamdata, sunt Ronline si Orioane. Uita-ti ce a spus Node nu de mult:

Node

I claim to be a Moldovan. My parents are from that country of Moldova, and I have that blood of my ancestors running in my veins, so I am Moldovan ,and you are not. I admit I have a poor control of our language, but please, find me a Jewish guy who will say the holocaust never happened. I am Moldovan, I speak the Moldovan language as my mother tongue (although unfortunately I have lost quite a bit of it), the nation of Moldova was founded by the blood of my ancestors, who were repressed by Turks, Wallachians, Russians, but in the end have finally prevailed. Do not presume to speak for the Moldovan people. Do not say we are not spoken for when we are. Unpatriotic apologists like Pavel have as their greatest wish of all, that they were born in Romania, and they like to pretend they are Transylvanians, because they think that by emulating Transylvanians, they will suddenly become wealthy. Your politicians and youir historicqal ties have forced us to abandon the beautiful Moldovan literary language in favour of your ugly Wallachian writing.

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Eu cu acesti tradatori de tara, ca Ron is Orioane, nu vreau sa am treaba. Numai Vasile si Alex au luptat pentru dreptate. Restul de voi ati stat si va-ti uitat ca mata in calendar. --Anittas 15:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Good news for Jmabel, Node, and the like; Ronline, together with some other dudes, started a new RfC against me: RfC - Part II. They accuse me of making racist attacks, anti-gay remarks, and much more. I believe they aim to have me banned and this time, they might succeed, because they will be strong in numbers. I ask the people who are interested in following the current events, or who enjoy a good Wiki drama, to go there and read the arguments, and if willing - to support whatever side they believe in. If Ron and his fellows succeed in having me banned, then I hope you guys will continue to work on Ro articles and perhaps expand Battle of the Cosmin Forest and History of Moldavia, while watching over my favourite article, Battle of Vaslui. Sanatate! --Anittas 23:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you, bogdan 16:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ro.wiki and en.wiki

I noticed that ro.wiki is far less developed than en.wiki even in Romania-related articles. This is not good situation in my eyes. It is unacceptable to read about pianist Dinu Lipatti in english-only. This is an appeal to all the Romanian contributors: Please! Every time you write an English article or stub, write the Romanian version too. Thanks. -Paul- 13:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Dictionarul Enciclopedic Romin aparut la editura politica Bucuresti 1962-1967 are in conformitate cu legea drepturilor de autor valabila pana in 1994 (cred), drepturile de autor expirate din 1987. In consecinta se poate face ceva similar cu enciclopedia britanica 1911.CristianChirita

Good ideea. Not bad. But who has time and patience to translate so much amount? Some articles related to Romania are very welcomed indeed. Bonaparte talk 21:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bonaparte has a valid point. Maybe we should use them in the rowiki then first?Dunemaire 22:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that somone with an scanner and an OCR software shall start the project.

But please consider that the images are not mandatory to be translated:)CristianChirita

From the Romanian copyright law:
Durata drepturilor patrimoniale asupra operelor colective este de 70 de ani de la data aducerii operelor la cunostinta publica.
So, since the copyright for collective works is valid 70 years after the publishing, it is still protected for another 27 years. bogdan 22:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From the Romanian copyright law 1956, (legea 8 din 1996 nu cred ca poate modifica retroactiv drepturile de autor.)

No law can be applied retroactive. Art. 7. - In cazurile aratate mai jos, autorul nu are folosinta drepturilor patrimoniale decit:

a) pe termen de 20 ani de la aparitia operei cu privire la cei care alcatuiesc enciclopedii, dictionare si culegeri;
b) pe termen de 10 ani de la aparitie cu privire la autorul unei serii de fotografii artistice;
c) pe termen de 5 ani de la aparitie cu privire la autorul de fotografii artistice separate.

http://www.cdep.ro/pls/legis/legis_pck.htp_act_text?idt=8999

Deci conform legii vechi, drepturile de autor au cam expirat inainte de intrarea in vigoare a legii noi adica in 1982-1987. Dar daca este cineva care a facut dreptul poate ne poate lamuri. CristianChirita Dar situatia din punct de vedere al legii internationale eu o vad oarecum similara cu cea a rusilor care nu au drepturi de autor pe perioada in care legea nu prevedea acest lucru. mai ales ca articolul 8 spune: Art. 8. - La expirarea termenelor prevazute la art. 6 si 7 sau, in lipsa de mostenitori, din momentul mortii autorului, dreptul patrimonial de autor se stinge.

I don't know. In some countries, the copyright laws applied retroactively. See for example, the Directive on harmonising the term of copyright protection in the European Union.
Unlike some other copyright term extension acts, this act retroactively restored copyright to works that had fallen into the public domain in their source countries (see grandfathering).
bogdan 12:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Legea 8/1996:
se abroga Decretul nr. 321 din 21 iunie 1956 privind dreptul de autor, cu modificarile - ulterioare, precum si orice alte dispozitii contrare.
bogdan 12:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Corect. Se abroga incepand din 1996. Ceea ce inseamna ca pana in 1996 a fost valabila, ceea ce inseamna ca drepturile de autor au expirat in 1982.CristianChirita 12:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC) Daca ar fi asa pentru orice articol copiat si distribuit in perioada 1982-1995 am putea comite o infractiune conform legii din 1996. Ceea ce nu este in regula.[reply]

Puten folosi aceste imagini scanate de mine dintr-o carte din 1987? Link --Anittas 13:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Anittas, uite ce zice decretul 321/1956 in articolele 14 si 15: (sub incidenta caruia se afla imaginea din 1987)

Art. 14. - Sint permise fara consimtamintul autorului si fara plata vreunei remuneratii respectindu-se insa celelalte drepturi ale acestuia:

c) publicarea, chiar integrala a operelor literare, muzicale sau stiintifice ori reproducerea operelor de arta plastica in manuale didactice, cursuri universitare, culegeri sau alte asemenea lucrari destinate invatamintului, cu exceptia operelor care au fost comandate special in acest scop si pentru care autorul pastreaza dreptul de remuneratie;

e) extrase de mica intindere din opere literare, muzicale, cinematografice ori stiintifice, sau reproduceri, precum si prezentari cu ajutorul aparatelor optice a unor opere de arta plastica, servind exclusiv ca document explicativ pentru continutul scris sau vorbit in conferinte sau publicatii cu caracter stiintific, in lucrari de critica ori in darile de seama asupra expozitiilor publice, sau pentru popularizarea acestor opere prin radio si televiziune;

h) reproducerea operelor de arta plastica in filme, diafilme sau prin televiziune cu titlu de informare sau de prezentare accesorie.

j) fotografierea, copierea si reproducerea in orice mod a unei opere de arta plastica, daca aceasta nu se valorifica.

Art. 15. - In cazul folosirii operelor conform art. 13 si 14, trebuie sa se indice opera originala, numele autorului acesteia, al traducatorului sau al autorului operei derivate prevazute la art. 10, iar la operele de arta plastica trebuie sa se indice si locul unde se gaseste originalul precum si numele celui care a efectuat copia.

Altfel zis, poti s-o lasi pe Wiki linistit daca precizezi sursa si autorul. Dunemaire 14:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nu-i adevărat. Imaginea din 1987 se află sub incidenţa legii valabile în momentul actual, care nu are o asemenea prevedere. bogdan 14:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Legile nu se aplica retroactiv in Ro, deci e imposibil sa fie sub incidenta celei din 1996. Dunemaire 14:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mersi, Dune! --Anittas 14:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daca conform legii vechi dreptul de autor expira in 1997, atunci din 1996 a intrat sub incidenta legii noi, pentru ca dreptul de autor nu expirase, daca dreptul a expirat in 1992 atunci este PD din 1992. Parerea mea..CristianChirita

Dear all, even such things like copyright laws are of interest to the community. Besides, speaking non-English is simply impollite. Please, stick to English, when possible as Polish, Rushian and Ukrainian editors do on the other boards. Thanks, --Irpen 03:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The short of it is that the massive Communist-era Dictionarul Enciclopedic Romîn fell out of copyright under the old, rather minimal Communist-era copyright law, and they are trying to work out if new, extended copyright laws apply. If I follow the above correctly (I haven't read it closely) anything that was still under copyright when the new, stricter laws came into effect is covered, but once something passed into the public domain, there is no turning back; I gather that the particular materials in question are now public domain, but not (for example) a photo from 1987, which gets the benefit of the new law.
I should add that as far as I know, no one involved is a lawyer, and some comments are qualified with remarks like "Parerea mea" ("my opinion").
If I misstated anything in that summary, or missed anything significant, could someone please fill in? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 11:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Voronet, Sucevita

Images of the painted monasteries would be very useful. --Vasile 04:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mircea Cartarescu

Somebody recently created the article in Romanian here and I translated it. It gives me a feeling of not being complete and up to date though (there are at least two of his books that weren't included on the list, for example). Anybody care to gather some recent data about the guy and integrate it in the article? Dunemaire 23:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He has some books translated in English or French. --Vasile 00:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article in the Romanian wiki existed for some time now. IMHO, it would be a nice thing to put the corresponding interwiki link especially when the Romanian article was used for translation into English, don't you think? ;) Thanks! --Vlad 09:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A big thank you for the quick and efficient response.Translating while being in a major lack of sleep sucks, so I knew I made mistakes but I wasn't able to come with some good synonims for the life of me and felt way too tired to look them up. You'll empathize with me when your first kid will get his/her 2 year molars, trust me . Dunemaire 16:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sa-ti traiasca! Works section still incomplete. --Vasile 17:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[1], [2] If somebody has too much spare time in the next few hours ..if not, I'll do it.Dunemaire 17:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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  2. Bonaparte talk & contribs 17:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Alexrap 18:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Dunemaire 18:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Jmabel | Talk 19:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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  11. Vlad 22:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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  17. Dalf | Talk 09:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Mihai Andrei 13:27, 5 December 2005 (CET)
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