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October 7

Resource management act in India

Is resource management act ruled in India? If yes, give detail information about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.1.87 (talk) 10:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any evidence of an Indian Act of Parliament called the "Resource Management Act" or similar. If that's not what you're asking about, could you please explain a little more clearly what you want to know? - Ka renjc 13:49, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NB I added a header to your question. - Ka renjc 13:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resource that allows map overlays?

Is there any online resource which would allow me to choose two random geographical areas, say France and Texas, or Israel and New Jersey, and overlay their maps or compare them side to side in the same scale? I can draw a pretty good map of the world freehand from memory, but I can't visually compare the sizes of any two arbitrary areas in my head. μηδείς (talk) 20:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

side debate

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

"Same size" isn't as trivial as you might think, on maps of a spherical surface, as you have different projections with different distortions. So, you can't even get all 1 km lines on a single map to be the same size, much less on two maps. StuRat (talk) 21:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And, rather than overlay them, why not just place two maps at the same scale next to each other ? Sounds a lot easier. StuRat (talk) 21:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reread me, I did say side to side. And any system based on the same globe should have the same scale and projection. I am not just looking for maps, I could do that myself with a googling. I want one uniform system that allows me to place any two areas next to or over each other. μηδείς (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's not what wikt:overlay normally means. I'm not sure what you want which you can't get just by opening two browser windows, containing two Google maps, at the same scale, in the two adjacent windows. StuRat (talk) 21:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go, in case you are not sure what English words mean in English: http://www.tipmedia.org/graphics/Israel-NewJersey.jpg μηδείς (talk) 21:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's exactly what an overlay is. Apparently you don't know what "side to side" means. StuRat (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, like I said, I want a resource that provides two such maps for me. Asking google images or maps for such maps will be extremely time consuming and hit and miss, unless you know of some way of setting google maps for scale that I don't. I have to assume someone has come across some mapping website that allows one easily to compare to such locations arbitrarily, even if you, haven't. μηδείς (talk) 21:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It took me about a dozen clicks and typing in the names "Israel" and "New Jersey" to get them side-by-side, showing the sizes to be about the same. They came up at the same scale initially. If they hadn't, just clicking on the + and - would alter the zoom level until the numbers on the scale match. I can't see any specialized software being much faster. StuRat (talk) 21:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you actually trying to answer my question, StuRat? A dozen clicks which cannot be repeated for another comparison don't strike me as helpful. Perhaps such a resource as I am looking for doesn't exist. But whatever the case, your answers have been entirely off point and unhelpful. Why not try editting an article, in stead of answering some ref desk question you have no answer for? μηδείς (talk) 21:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that there's unlikely to be such a software product, as there's little need or demand for it. You might as well ask for software designed to draw two triangles next to each, with identical dimensions, but in different colors. Why would anyone write such a program ? I could be wrong, but don't hold your breath. StuRat (talk) 22:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure you have heard of the fallacy of trying to prove a negative. μηδείς (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The pictures aren't really pretty on this one and they aren't side-to-side but it gives you an idea. AlexiusHoratius 22:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The post above was awarded this star--*--originally placed afterwards. My editing privileges were blocked for this vandalism. Rather than retract the star, it stands here by itself. Please accept my apologies. μηδείς (talk) 01:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is exactly the sort of thing I am looking for. I would not be averse to a more detailed system. I will try it out, thanks! μηδείς (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, an actual overlay (not side-by-side), which does require a special program. StuRat (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, Alexius. Not exactly arbitrary, since there is a list, but it covers what I was looking for. A star for you. μηδείς (talk) 22:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent Alexius, a response in the spirit even if not to the literal question posed. I'm glad someone gets it. hydnjo (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He did answer the question as literally posed. The section title is not the question, nor is it supposed to be, per the quidelines at the top of the page. μηδείς (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After having looked at the link, I'd like to point out that Vermont is not a major exporter of vermouth. Or have any special relation to calendars. Why else would the creators of the site call Vermont, Vermonth? Dismas|^(talk) 00:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stu, I don't really see what your issue is. Yes, the title clearly say "overlay" but the question further refines the idea and asks specifically for "overlay... or compare them side to side" (emphasis mine of course). And Medeis, using Google Maps, I have a scale in the lower left of the map that states what scale objects are. This is what, I think, Stu was trying to get at. Pull up two browser windows with one map each and zoom each so that the scale on each is the same. Dismas|^(talk) 00:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was my point (I should add that there are a limited number of distinct scales, so you can't get two maps at almost the same scale). There was some confusion above over whether we were talking about overlays or side-by-side maps, but it's all figured out now. StuRat (talk) 00:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am quite familiar with google maps, and if it has a "compare" function someone can still point that out. Any confusion here has been in one mind only, not collective. μηδείς (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the issue here is that whenever StuRat doesn't know something, he likes to try and make it seem like it's the OP's problem or misunderstanding, not his. He's apparently incapable to refrain from posting in such situations, and he makes sure that his horses are good and dead before he moves on. --Mr.98 (talk) 01:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 98 but think that some of this belongs at talk. hydnjo (talk) 02:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This one is a kind of Google Maps mashup kinda version of this idea: http://overlapmaps.com/ Pfly (talk) 06:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The post above was awarded this star--*--originally placed afterwards. My editing privileges were blocked for this vandalism. Rather than retract the star, it stands here by itself. Please accept my apologies. μηδείς (talk) 01:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OH, that is most excellent, Pfly. A star for you as well. This site will occupy me for hours, which should please everyone. I always wanted to see Bavaria overlaid on Pennsylvania! μηδείς (talk) 18:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PS, after posting that I wondered whether, or if it dealt with the map projection issues inherent in Google Maps, which uses a Mercator-type projection. To test I had it overlay Brazil on Greenland and it clearly reprojects the overlay more or less appropriately for area comparison. The Brazil overlay on Greenland, however, extends too close to the north pole for the projection to handle—the projection math breaks near the pole, resulting in Brazil acquiring some gigantic spikes—one apparently infinite. Overlaying Greenland on Brazil is better, except for Greenland being squashed west-east. But at least the app does reproject the overlays, allowing reasonable area comparisons, at the expense of shape—especially when comparing polar and equatorial things. But then, shape distortion is the price you have to pay in exchange for equal area mapping. Pfly (talk) 07:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily that bad though; there's no real reason why a program would have to assume that the projection reaches maximal distortion at the poles: you can orient your projection surface at any arbitrary location: in fact for maximal accuracy you'd probably want a program that used a movable projection; one that recentered the projection over whatever area you were trying to map that time. --Jayron32 13:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly true. I can imagine a much better area comparison mapping app, though perhaps not one that relies so heavily on Google Maps, or at least uses Google Maps as the base on which overlays are put. Pfly (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For numerical comparisons, see Category:Lists by area.

—Wavelength (talk) 15:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ideal app for this purpose would consist of two transparent globes (actual globes, not map projections) of identical size, with a common center, each marked with coastlines and borders (and perhaps lat/long lines) in a different color. Each globe could be rotated in any direction independently around the common center. There must be a way to build such an app. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 23:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actual globes sure, but if you mean displaying a globe on a flat computer screen then you've already got a map projection, specially an orthographic projection. Just saying. Pfly (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An innovative person might wish to invent a spherical computer screen.

—Wavelength (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Along these lines? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would work with virtual globes, too. Even a program as simple as SketchUp allows you to draw a virtual sphere and spin it every which way. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 02:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My Internet research has revealed to me that Microsoft introduced a spherical computer screen in 2008.

See http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Here-comes-Sphere-Microsoft-debuts-computing-in-1280551.php.

—Wavelength (talk) 02:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome links all . . . you have been bookmarked! Marketdiamond (talk) 09:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese food

Why is it that Chinese food isn't as good as food from surrounding countries (e.g. Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian)? --168.7.239.5 (talk) 21:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here you need to distinguish what is meant be "Chinese food". Within China, there are many types, like Cantonese cuisine, Szechuan cuisine, Hunan cuisine, Mongolian cuisine, etc., all of which are healthier than Chinese-American cuisine (and presumably the equivalent in Europe). Chinese food, due to the larger population of China, made it's way into Western diets sooner, back in the bad old days when people liked a stick of butter with their meals. So, the originally healthy Chinese food was adapted to fit in, with more meat and grease and salt, and fewer veggies. Those other foods entered the Western diet later, and largely avoided this fate. StuRat (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had an interesting experience once of going to a Chinese restaurant, in the US, with a Chinese person. He tossed the menu aside, saying "That's just for Americans", talked to the waiter in Chinese, and then had a much healthier meal brought out than anything you find on the menu. Presumably, as Americans are looking for healthier foods these days, more Chinese restaurants will offer authentic Chinese foods, while preserving the greasy foods for those who prefer them. I go to a Chinese buffet which has both, including things like seaweed, which probably wouldn't appeal to the average American. StuRat (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The question is personal opinion, and calls for opinions in response. It is not appropriate for the Ref Desk. Bielle (talk) 21:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you took "good" to mean "tasty", which is opinion, while I interpreted it as "healthy", which is quantifiable. StuRat (talk) 21:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with Bielle. But I am not surprised that Mister "I have never seen a question I could not respond to" has responded to it. μηδείς (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If that is true, StuRat, then perhaps you need to quantify it and/or the OP needs to say in what way one is healthier than the other. Your first paragraph is opinion even if its theme is about "healthy" and there is no mention in the question about American food. Bielle (talk) 21:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(EC) Stu's answer was right. Chinese food is good - depending on where you go, and what your tastes are. I have had some great Chinese meals in the UK, and conversely, some terrible ones in China. The food is made specially for the locals of the country the restaurant is based in. It would make bad business sense to make it to the taste of people thousands of miles away. If you don't like it, don't eat it. It just depends on what you want. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 21:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that the authentic Chinese diet heavy in veggies and rice and light in meat wasn't entirely by choice, economics also played a role. Now, as their economic situation is improving, they are moving more towards a Western diet, and their health is beginning to be affected, accordingly. We may even hit a point where the Western diet is healthier than the Chinese diet, similar to how the percentage of smokers is higher in some third world nations. Affluence eventually brings with it health-consciousness, but not immediately. StuRat (talk) 21:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And now we continue with opinions. (And, you will no doubt be pleased to read, that is my last comment here on personal opinions that do not even address the OP's personal-opinion question.) Bielle (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta agree here. There's no such thing as a single food item, let alone an entire national cuisine, that is "good" or "healthy" in all circumstances, for all people, at all times, without regard to exactly what specific foods are chosen, how much of them are eaten, how often, combined with what else, or many other factors. The OP's question makes an assumption ("Chinese food isn't as good as food from surrounding countries") that cannot possibly be confirmed, and doesn't even have any meaning. It should not have been answered; clarification should have been sought. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of some national cuisines being healthier than others, it most certainly can be proven, by comparing the typical diet in one nation with another. Yes, it's possible to find something healthy or unhealthy in each, but that's why we go with the average for such comparisons. If you decide you can't reach any conclusion because of overlapping outliers, then you'd rarely reach any conclusion at all. StuRat (talk) 22:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But it's the so-called outliers that are the norm for so many people. The Western diet can be extremely healthy, or extremely unhealthy, or anywhere in between, depending on exactly what choices are made. In cities at least, we have access to almost every major food item on God's earth, yet there's still an already massive obesity and diabetes problem that just gets worse and worse, and which cannot be attributed solely to sedentary life styles. What is the "average Western diet"? What is the "average Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese/Indian diet"? These are absurd concepts, and get more and more absurd as we become more and more exposed to external foods that most of us had never even heard of before they became fashionable. There are recommended diets put out by food authorities, but obviously very few people actually pay them any heed.

Elsewhere you're having trouble understanding what "This product will make your computer go 100% faster" means, but you have no trouble accepting with only a slight modification a far vaguer sentence like "Chinese food isn't as good as food from surrounding countries". I don't get that. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's no problem determining what the average US, American, or Chinese diet is. Just determine the average number of calories, fat grams, saturated fat grams, trans fat grams, etc., down to as much level of detail as is desired. Indeed, to try to explain health trends in populations without considering the average diet for that group is bound to be unsuccessful. If we find a certain disease is more prevalent in a certain population, looking at what that population eats, for both deficiencies and overabundance, is key to isolating the problem. StuRat (talk) 00:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Chinese food so different from the food in all the surrounding countries? --128.42.220.195 (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is. Rice is a common ingredient, as are mixtures of vegetables and sauces, with either seafood (in those nations which border the sea) or meat/~~foul~~ fowl mixed in. StuRat (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you calling foul? At the broad level there are those obvious similarities, but there are subtler differences. It's essentially the same question as "Why is French food so different from Spanish?", "Why is French food so different from German?", "Why is French food so different from Italian?", "Why is French food so different from British?", "Why is Czech food so different from German?", "Why is German food so different from Danish?", and so on. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stu is right. There's no enormous difference between southern Chinese food and Vietnamese food. Many Chinese dishes are popular in Vietnam, and there are restaurants run by Chinese-Vietnamese. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AHEM. --Jayron32 22:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

Screencap

Can anyone tell me, from this screencap: http://copytaste.com/f1668 what mobile (company/make/model) this might be? Thanks in advance. =) 117.226.205.106 (talk) 17:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Operating system is Android, and it seems to be running on Sense UI, indicating that it's an HTC device. From the general 'feel' of it, I suspect it's either Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) or Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean). I don't think more information than that can be gleaned from the picture. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen Lawson, wife of Ted Lawson

Ted Lawson was one of the pilots on the Doolittle raid on Japan, April 1942. Information on Ted is covered in a Wikipedia article. In that article, his wife, Ellen, is mentioned. Is there information about her in your files, or can it be created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shocker21 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article is Ted W. Lawson. Ellen Lawson does not appear to have a Wikipedia article in her own right. Unless she satisfies the criteria at WP:Notability, it will unfortunately not be possible to create one. I cannot find any other mentions of her on Wikipedia apart from her portrayal in Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo by Phyllis Thaxter. - Ka renjc 19:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Teach me everything there is to know.

Hi. Topic. Thanks. ~AH1 ^(discuss!) 21:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just read every article in wikipedia, and you'll be off to a good start. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Six by nine. Forty-two. That's it. That's all there is. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We're here to answer questions that can be answered with a reference.

Life is not a question, and so the question of an answer does not arise. The same is true of the universe and everything.

But those links might stimulate you to ask a question, in which case you'd be welcome to return. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just keep clicking on links and picking up,knowledge. We have an article on everything. Itsmejudith (talk) 21:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If six by nine is 42, Cucumber Mike, you and I do arithmetic in different universes. Bielle (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's sorta the point. --Jayron32 22:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The question is 6 x 9
The answer is 42
The base is 13

Wnt (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Adams made it very clear that even he doesn't write jokes in base 13. The point is simply that the computer was broken by the arrival of the telephone sanitisers and got the wrong question. --Tango (talk) 12:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Special:AllPages. WP:Wikipedia has an article on everything! PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But I have a question now, so this thread hasn't been a total waste of time:

When Adams referred to "Life, the Universe and Everything", what was this "Everything" that wouldn't have been already covered by "the Universe"?
Is he getting into multiple universes, and if so, why is the one we're all in called "the Universe", as if there's only one? Shouldn't it have been "Life, a Universe and Everything"?
Or, to be strictly correct, "Life, a Universe and Everything Else"?-- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 01:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, we can't ask him anymore... He's a little late. --Jayron32 02:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then he's wiped, as far as I'm concerned. I cannot abide unpunctuality. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Given that you're a particular bit of the totality, and the totality isn't capable of knowing itself, I'd suggest that you're not capable of knowing the totality too. So you'll just have to put up with knowing everything that you can know rather than knowing everything that there is to know. You'll know everything that you can know when you die, and you'll know that whether you attend to knowing particular things or not. If you're interesting in knowing things in a particular area of human knowability, then maybe we can help you further. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly more facts are true at any one time in the universe than can be recorded in a storage device contained within. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is that the colossal number of facts, or the details of the facts themselves? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Even if you assumed that each "fact" only took a single bit of information to encode, it can't all be recorded. I'm thinking of facts such as "particle A has position [x,y,z] and momentum [px,py,pz]". That's actually six facts. Even if you pretended you could encode that in six bits, how many particles does a storage device need to be built out of to store those six bits? It's been a long time since I read the theoretical work on this, but some smart people have argued it's more than one, so you're shit out of luck - i.e. if it takes more than one particle to store the information about one particle, then you can't record all information. You can also make a thermodynamic argument about how there is a limit to how much information can be stored in the universe because of entropy, blah blah, I don't remember it all that clearly, clearly. And if you throw in that you want the history of every particle, then you're even further screwed. You can of course argue that compression algorithms may be used to store information about more particles than your storage device is built out of, but that restricts the hypothetical universes you could store information on to those that are sufficiently compressible. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A is A, the rest just requires that you look and listen. μηδείς (talk) 01:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was born about ten thousand years ago

I know everything there is to know

I saw Peter, Paul, and Moses

Play ring around the roses

And I'll lick the guy who says it isn't so

--Trovatore (talk) 07:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Andrew Carnegie already did this, but I am willing to give it another shot with $26 million (and that's just for Pittsburgh's main branch!). Marketdiamond (talk) 09:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Long nail on the small finger

Hi all,

I'm a flight attendant from France and I realized some male passengers, mainly from China, let their nail grow on their small finger. What is the reason? Is it religious or cultural? That makes my female colleagues totally disgusted cause it doesn't look very nice... shock of cultures :-D

Thanks for your help and if you know the reason, please write it on the "nail" or "little finger" Wiki article.

Eric — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.97.144.51 (talk) 22:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Dictonary has some theories, from which Cecil favours "sign of culture, breeding, and wealth." -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I assume you meant to write "The Straight Dope", right? Someguy1221 (talk) 23:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, yes. I started with an "urban dictionary and the daily mail says it's a cokenail" before I found a somewhat credible source instead. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 23:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From Chinese WP's article on nails: "In some Asian countries, the men of the upper classes of society sometimes stay long fingernails (sometimes only the little finger), to show their social status do not need to do a manual."[1]. Basically the same rationale behind foot binding.A8875 (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have personally witnessed its use for cocaine by rather unsavory characters. I also knew professionally two very wellkempt gentlemen, both Puerto Ricans in NYC, who obviously prided themselves greatly in their grooming who also had this affectation. (One had the habit of sanding down and then repainting his stovetop on a weekly basis, I kid you not. The other was always formally dressed as if for a GQ cover.) Neither seemed to be a cocaine user. I was curious, but not close enough to feel that I had the right to ask the reason. μηδείς (talk) 01:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When I was in China in 1992, it was explained to me that it was so they could pick their nose with it. This is actually what was told to me, and social status didn't seem to come into it, because it was widespread, even among people from rural areas coming to the city looking for work as cheap one-day labourers. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 07:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good sense of humor, those people. It is indeed a voluntary mark of status or breeding, telling you that the person self-identifies as a scholar rather than a laborer. Take that as you may. They are less and less common, but you do see them from time to time if you are vigilant. Are they occasionally repurposed for other tasks? Obviously that's at the discretion of the bearer... The Masked Booby (talk) 08:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The practical meaning these days is actually a bit different to the traditional meaning. From what I've seen living in China, only people from rural areas with peasant/labourer backgrounds grow their fingernails like this - they might *think* it makes them look sophisticated, but you'll never see someone from, say, Beijing or Shanghai with fingernails like that. It's only really done by someone from a low-class background who wants to show that he (always 'he') has moved up in the world, so in practical terms, the signal it really gives off is pretty much the opposite of what was intended. 59.108.42.46 (talk) 06:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. This is probably why I noticed it so much more in the peasant labourers in China, rather than the city people. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 08:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why are Indians so rude?

Hi all,

Another question from me. I work with Indians customers and you can't imagine how rude, impatient and annoying they are. All the people I know who deal with them really hate them now. Could you tell me if rudeness is normally accepted in India? For example, they would call you all the time, even when they can see you're busy, they would ask you for something, wait you come with it then ask for something else and all of this without a smile. Also, no one of them ever uses the words "thank you", "please", "could I" but only "give me". Is it the way they talk in India? I noticed the most polite people are from USA, Germany or the Philippines so I guess it's just cultural and they don't mean to be so rude to us. Anyway, if they would behave that way in Europe, people would tell then off straight away.

Thanks for sharing experience if you dealt with Indians or know their culture.

Eric — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.97.144.51 (talk) 22:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, you do mean people from India, not Native Americans, right ? StuRat (talk) 23:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note that cultural differences are often perceived as rude, when they are not intended that way. For example, Westerners often stand a greater distance away from people, than in other cultures, and this can be taken as a sign of contempt. StuRat (talk) 23:16, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note sure if it applies here, but the caste system in India formerly led them to treat people of a lower caste in an "aloof" manner. Perhaps remnants of that attitude still remain, with people in servile positions taking on the role of lower caste members. StuRat (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Most of the people in India are not good in English. They mostly speak broken English. That could be a major reason why they appear rude to you. --Anbu121 (talk me) 23:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why would anyone even answer that? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 23:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Same as any Q: To spread knowledge, dispel misconceptions, etc. StuRat (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The initial question is blatant racism; it is sad to see anyone respond to it or take it seriously. This section should be removed. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The IP claimed in the previous section to be French. I will stop now, to let y'all recall your individual anecdotes on the alleged inherent rudeness of the French. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's often extraordinarily tempting to take particular negative experiences we've had with people or groups from another culture and extrapolate them to the entire culture.

I could tell you about just about the worst day of my life, spent trying to get a visa for India at the Indian Embassy in Colombo, navigating my way through the world's most inefficient and grossly unfair and needlessly time consuming series of bureaucratic procedures - which we were just expected to know in detail, without ever being informed - and controlled by the world's most openly corrupt and pointedly unhelpful officials. It should have take maybe an hour, tops. It took 6 hours.

But bad and unforgettable as that horror day was, do I take it that all Indian business systems are like that, or that all Indians are rude and corrupt and indifferent? No, of course not. I found plenty of counter-examples in India and plenty of evidence of general generosity and fairness and kindness, and that's what I prefer to remember most.

We also tend to view in a negative light any diversions from our expectations of people's behaviours. But usually there are good reasons for those behaviours, and much can be learned from them. In India, because of the population and its unrelenting demands, it's essential for service providers to be absolutely firm with customers, otherwise they'll get manipulated from pillar to post. Firmness can often seem like rudeness, particularly in a country that has little or no experience of the extreme political correctness we're unfortunately afflicted with in the West. Western service providers can be firm too, but they bring it out only when the occasion demands it. Indian service providers wear firmness as a badge of honour and brandish it aggressively and pre-emptively. Because if they don't, they'll come off second best.

For their part, customers are used to having to deal with massive queues that usually fail to operate with any sense of order, and often the only way to not spend a whole day waiting is to bribe or bluster or harangue your way to the front, leaving in your wake people who've been waiting even longer than you. That "survival of the fittest" mentality is just the way it is there, and people have those cultural expectations ingrained, just as we have ours with us wherever we go. Essentially, there's a different type of relationship between customers and officials there than obtains in the West, and that colours their behaviour when they become customers in other countries.

And remember, they probably talk about us in similarly scathing ways, so it's not all one way. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For things which are considered rude in America/Britain but not in India, the Mumbaikar article has some interesting examples: not saying 'Thank you' to someone holding door for you; not holding the door itself open for the previous or next person to come in through; not smiling at other passing people. Cultural differences like these probably account for most of the perceived rudeness. Cheers, davidprior ^t/_c 02:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The perception of rude Indian people is a pejorative stereotype. The inverse stereotype would be the ugly American. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 02:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The curse of door chivalry is something that varies from place to place in the U.S. - you'll never encounter it in Chicago, for example. Tipping varies greatly between the U.S. and (specific parts of) Europe, Asia etc. Given the degree to which exploitation and outright slavery are reported to occur in India, I would not be surprised if the OP has observed some phenomenon, but he should get a better answer if he provides more detail of where, who etc. Wnt (talk) 05:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing the OP's primary experience of Indians is as passengers while they are serving as a flight attendent. Perhaps for Emirates? Nil Einne (talk) 05:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just to let you know, I didn't experience just one bad day but every single day I deal with Indian customers from any city (Dehli, Mumbai, Bangalore, etc). And for the records: no, I'm not racist at all but yes, I really hate rude people.

"I'm not racist, but..." — you need to quit your job. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 08:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've had several Indian coworkers, and never found any of them to be rude. Perhaps it's only how they behave as customers which you interpret as rude. StuRat (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Were they sacred coworkers? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 10:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The boss was expecting them to be more productive, having multiple arms and all, but was disappointed to find out they only had two arms apiece. :-) StuRat (talk) 10:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Orking cows is illegal in several states and the District of Columbia! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it illegal?. Richard Avery (talk) 13:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

I'd say that in general, Indians are far more polite than most Westerners. However, in the concrete example of "could I have" vs "give me", an explanation might be that politeness is lost in translation. In Hindi (and I suppose similar features exist in some other Indian languages as well), there are five different levels of politeness in imperatives in verbs. Depending on social hierarchy and respect, the speaker choses which level to use. Thus an additional word, like "please", is superflous. I always find this a bit confusing, never sure of what level to use, in the end I tend to opt for the overly polite diunga (with the risk of sounding sarcastic). Likewise, for (many) Indians the question "what is your name?" can be a bit rude, therefore the wording "what is your good name?" is preferred. --Soman (talk) 14:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It could be as simple as a lack of confidence in the the language. At the moment, I often have to use a language other than English, but my lack of confidence in the language sometimes leads me to forget to add the simple pleasantries of 'please' and 'thank you'. Or maybe it is minor cultural differences. For example, when handing over money at the supermarket checkout, the locals will say 'please' (presumably meaning 'please accept this money'), and yet I forget to do that in over 90% of occasions because in the UK no one says please when handing over money. Nobody has yet told me that I am being rude, but maybe they are too polite to say so - at least to my face, but maybe they do complain on the internet: "Why are British so rude?". Astronaut (talk) 15:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My kind always do lament "why are Earthlings so rude" . . . maybe I have said too much lol. Marketdiamond (talk) 09:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that speakers of many Indian languages are even more likely to forget "please" and "thank you" because in those languages form of address is used to express politeness more than adding a phrase -- Q Chris (talk) 09:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 9

Article Created Does not appear in Wikipedia Search Bar

Hello, the problem I am currently experiencing is that I created a page, the American Osteopathic College of Radiology wikipedia page but the article is not searchable in the wikipedia search bar when just typing these words. The article itself works and if I type in the full name American Osteopathic College of Radiology and hit enter it takes me to that page but it does not show up in the search as it should. I have been told that the lag time for this change to occur is normally a few minutes and it has now been hours which is why I am concerned. I would appreciate advice on what's happening and if there is anything I can do to help resolve the problem or if this is some kind of error on wikipedia's side. As far as I can tell, it seems like I made the wikipedia page properly but I am still learning plenty about wikipedia and its policies. There was some note about an article similar to this one having been deleted in the past regarding an "unambiguous copyright infringment" in November of 2009 by user Kinu as seen in the public logs. Is this the reason why the article is not showing up? If so, how can this be resolved? I believe the article I established today does not have the same unambiguous copyright infringement problem and the article should be fine. Thanks in advance for the help! TylerDurden8823 (talk) 06:25, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I notice another article with a similar name: American Osteopathic College of Occupational & Preventive Medicine. It's possible there's a bug (or design limitation) with the search function not working in search strings where the first 32 letters are in common with another article. StuRat (talk) 06:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So, what can I do about this problem? Anything? I know of the page you referred to (to clarify, that is indeed a different page than the one I'm discussing and has been around for a while) and I know the names are common but I'm still able to see articles with a common beginning. If there is such a bug, how do I know if it's there or how do I report it?TylerDurden8823 (talk) 06:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a bug reporting process, and I'm sure others can hep you with that, but first I'd wait a few days, in case there's just more of a delay than usual. Also note that the more important search capability is Google's, as that's how many people find our articles. That isn't working yet, either, but give them both a few days. The Google search is much better, since it finds misspelled articles, while our search doesn't, unless somebody happened to have created a redirect for that misspelling. Heck, even capitalization can throw off our search. StuRat (talk) 07:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me about this bug reporting process so I can report it if the issue isn't resolved in a few days? Thanks StuRat. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests. StuRat (talk) 07:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's two separate things here. One is that the internal search bar lags a bit - IIRC, it works from an index, and that index is periodically updated rather than instantly containing new pages. it takes some time for the index of articles it has to be regenerated to include newly created articles. The second is that the article was not yet patrolled, which I believe still prevents articles from showing up in search results. I've patrolled it now, so it should be visible. Andrew Gray (talk) 08:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It works fine for me. Typing in exactly "American Osteopathic College of Radiology" goes to exactly the right page. Searches are case sensitive, so maybe you didn't use uppercase "A", "O', "C" and "R". Astronaut (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andrew, I see that it's working now although it still seems a bit buggy to me (you have to type all the way in to Coll to get it to come up but it should come up by the time you've written "American Osteopathic C" since the only things with this common root are the occupational/preventive medicine one and this article). Regardless, at least it shows up at all now. I still am not clear on what "patrolling" and the page curation log are but at least the page is accessible now. Astronaut, I was typing in the correct words, trust me on that, and it wasn't showing up before but it's resolved now. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note on article talk page

Hi, I left a note at Talk:DeLorean_DMC-12#Do_we_have_a_source_for_this.3F a while ago, but it seems nobody is watching the page, judging from the lack of replies. So, if you're reading this, please head over there, take a look, and see if you can contribute. Thank you. :-) -- 188.105.112.66 (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 10

Fallacy Name

What is the logical fallacy where one dismisses a particular scenario/thought experiment only due to it being unrealistic, even if it is a good analogy? Thank you. Futurist110 (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give an example? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that is a fallacy of any sort. Indeed, I think by definition, an unrealistic analogy is a poor one. If it unlikely to ever happen, how can it be a useful analogy for events that will likely happen? I'm afraid I don't get the sort of situation you're describing. Like Bugs says, a concrete example may help here. --Jayron32 04:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Violinist scenario is unrealistic, even though it is a good analogy to pregnancy if one assumes that fetuses are humans beings/persons and if it is slightly modified to make you responsible for the Violinist's illness. For the record, people on both sides of the abortion debate use this scenario to make their point. Futurist110 (talk) 04:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That scenario is absolutely ridiculous, and a bad analogy. No one wakes up to find a violinist surgically implanted in him because he had sex. μηδείς (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only fallacy I could think of is the false analogy: that is someone criticizes the analogy because they hold that the analogy doesn't apply to a situation. --Jayron32 04:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It should also be noted that this isn't a logical fallacy, which is a fault of formal logic. It is an informal fallacy, which is the idea that the inapplicability of an argument is due to some other factor than its logical soundness. An argument can be logically sound and still be a bad argument based on some other factor. --Jayron32 04:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so happy that I'd never heard of the ridiculous violinist "scenario" before now. I do agree with others who say that something more specific is needed to answer. --Onorem ♠Dil 04:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That simply isn't a good analogy. Pregnancy is not remotely analogous to being confined to a hospital bed for 9 months... (With the exception of a few very rare medical conditions.) --Tango (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think perhaps accident (fallacy) is close to what you have in mind here. (I'm not keen on that name -- the alternative name, destroying the exception, seems more intuitive.) Looie496 (talk) 05:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Census Bureau Report Corrections

How do I contact the U.S. Census Bureau if I noticed two typos in one of their papers/reports (Kentucky's 1910 population and Mississippi's 1970 population here--http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0056/twps0056.html) so that they could fix their typos? Thank you. Futurist110 (talk) 03:12, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does that government website have a "contact us" kind of thing? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This was what I got by selecting "contact us" from http://www.census.gov --Jayron32 04:15, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I'll bite, these are typos such as misspellings or placing a city in the wrong county etc.? If you are disputing their counts you may be well to read this towns attempt, even if something as complex and potentially in error as the census, law states it can not be retroactively changed, one reason they spend millions every 10 years trying to get things right that year. But yes curious what exactly the typo is, chances are ain't gonna change. Marketdiamond (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on whether the error is in the Official Census Data itself, or whether the error was made in a derivative document. If the data itself was wrong, you're probably correct on the impossibility of changing it. If however, the problem is in the specific presentation of the data only (i.e. the original data is correct, but a specific table showing part of that data has a typo, like spelling Mississippi with one "p" or something like that) it should be both an easy fix and perfectly allowable. --Jayron32 19:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that the data itself (the original source) is correct, but that the presentation of the data in that report (which presents data that was previously published) was wrong and had two typos in it. Futurist110 (talk) 22:11, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the old census data I've run across many transcription errors, where the census taker's writing wasn't the best and the transcriber did the best they could but mis-read it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chopin's "Życzenie"

What is the last line of this song (Op. 74 No. 1)? The Polish first edition at IMSLP gives "Czemuż nie mogę w ptaszka zmienić siebie!"; so does the Breitkopf and Härtel complete edition, and this is the way Ewa Podleś sings it on her recording with Garrick Ohlsson. However, The Lied, Art Song, and Choral Texts Archive gives a repeat of the last line of the first verse (Youtube video of Marta Eggerth singing it this way). (The first one makes more sense, though.) Could this have something to do with the fact that this song survives in both the autograph version and Fontana's edited version? And what did Witwicki originally write? Double sharp (talk) 10:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Witwicki poem ends with "Czemuż nie mogę w ptaszka zmienić siebie!". The other version you mention seems to be a mistake made by someone who assumed that the second refrain was just a repetion of the first, without noticing that this does not make logical, or lyrical, sense. Apparently, that mistake was perpetuated, probably by people who did not understand Polish well enough to see that something was not quite right. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 10:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant article is Polish songs (Chopin). I'm sure Double sharp knows it, but others may have an interest. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2-on-2 in a hockey match

Has there ever occurred in NHL that both teams end up with only two skaters each on ice in overtime? If yes, when did it happen for the last time?

Regards, 195.29.156.232 (talk) 15:15, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly never, but certainly not after 1925. A rule was introduced then that required a minimum of 4 players on the ice at all times per team (3 skaters and a goalie each), even in the case of penalties. The modern rule is here, and I presume it hasn't changed much since those days. Mingmingla (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The body of Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano

Is there any way to find out why the body of Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano was stolen (and hence by whom)? μηδείς (talk) 17:01, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe some day. It's kinda fresh news, so its long on speculation and short on confirmation right now. --Jayron32 17:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't really mind speculation if it's from a "reliable" source like a columnist who covers such things. I was wondering if perhaps this is not too unusual a phenomenon, perhaps the gang claiming back their own, a rival gang desecrating or holding the body for ransom. I am curious whose custody the body was in at the funeral home, the family's? Unfortunately a search under "why did they steal the body" is too vague to get anywhere. μηδείς (talk) 17:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that until whoever stole the body releases a statement saying who they are and why they did it we can but only speculate... gazhiley 08:44, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find any report of Mexican gangs stealing a body prior to this? An advanced search by me excluding results with the name lazcano and reports before september 2012 is still coming back with Lazcano at Google and nothing else. μηδείς (talk) 21:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who founded MGM, Paramount, RKO, and 20th Century Fox?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

For sure, Warner Bros. was founded by four people: Harry Warner, Albert Warner, Sam Warner, and Jack Warner. But I still have questions. And I haven't found the answers. So: 1. Who founded MGM? 2. Who founded Paramount? 3. Who founded RKO? 4. Who founded Twentieth Century Fox? Rebel Yeh (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a thread about this at WP:RDE. Lets keep it in one place. --Jayron32 20:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

October 11

Facebook accessed by employers and hiring managers

Is it correct that Facebook is the number one source accessed by employers/hiring managers for info on the integrity and character of future employees?173.64.197.161 (talk) 03:23, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean versus other social websites or versus every other source of info ? In the latter case, I'd expect that checking references is more important. StuRat (talk) 03:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the OP is vague but they didn't ask which is more important. As I read it, they asked which source is accessed more. Dismas|^(talk) 03:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have heard similar but I question the relevance, not all employers reference it and those that do usually reference blogspot, youtube, myspace, twitter and the like. I have not heard of a large corporate or governmental employer that only accesses facebook though I have heard news stories where prospective employers are actually requesting you to "friend" them so they may access everything your contacts/friends are on your facebook and even some where they require your password so they might access it. Not aware if those things have been resolved in the courts or if the companies have backed down on the password requests. Marketdiamond (talk) 04:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In China? Definitely not. In Tanzania and Khazakstan? Almost certainly not. In the USA/Canada/Britain? I very much as suggested above, it may be increasingly used by some companies, but it's going a whole step beyond sensible to say "the number one source". --Dweller (talk) 11:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New imperialism

usa is said to be the guardian on new imperialism with concrete examples explain various method used by her to fulfill such ambition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.188.142.2 (talk) 09:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1) Please learn to use capitalisation, punctuation, and other features of written English.

2) Please give sections distinctive titles, rather than just 'question'. The header of this page has already asked you to do this.

3) Don't ask us to do your homework. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, Wikipedia has some useful articles, which can help, if you are clear what you are looking for. I suspect that, although you ask about the new imperialism, you probably want information on "neo-imperialism". Warofdreams talk

IPgeolocates to Dar Es Salaam, probably on dial-up rather than broadband, may not be as Internet experienced as those of us in wealthier countries, so I don't think the lecture on capitalisation was appropriate. It does read like homework. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Express feeder

1) Please inform me What are the benefits of getting electric supply to a manufacturing plant thru an Express feeder? 2) What are the general rules for eligibiltiy to receive supply thru an express feeder? 3) What are the costs involved in receiving supply thru an Express Feeder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.143.172 (talk) 11:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please do your own homework.

Welcome to the Wikipedia Reference Desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our aim here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. --Dweller (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is homework at all. Considering that the IP geolocates to India and this Times of India article provides a reasonable explanation, this seems like a typical "help me find information" request. Searching for "express feeder" quickly finds Ashirwad Engineering, an electrical contractor in Pune which provides Express Feeder equipment for up to 220KV electrical distribution systems. If the OP was to take a look at that company's website they would find the 'about us' page has something to say about what an Express feeder is for, while the services page goes into more details. However, none of that seems to answer the eligibility question or the tariffs question. Further searching is necessary, though I got fed up looking after reading many pdfs about tenders and disputes and no basic information which didn't assume you knew all about it in the first place. Astronaut (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who is this guy?

Image. I find myself unable to conveniently right-click and copy the image to drop it into a search-by-image search. He looks familiar. To the undescribed-link-wary, it's just one of those 'demotivator' pictures with a serious-looking guy with the caption 'PROGRAMMING -- You're doing it completely wrong.' 20.137.2.50 (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was able to use Google Image search using a little bit of trial and error. It's John McCarthy. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The trick to getting it to work in Google Image's "search by image" search is to cut out the stuff around the photo of the guy itself. It finds him quite easily that way. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Thank you. Now I remember where I saw him. From the intro to his article, "McCarthy received many accolades and honors, including the Turing Award..." That reminded me that it was on the cover of the Communications of the ACM about a year ago (probably because of his recent death at that time). It was a painting or drawing of that same portrait. 20.137.2.50 (talk) 13:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problems Getting Article Published

Hi,

I submitted an article for creation a while back and it was rejected. I made the necessary corrections to the article but as of Sept. 19th haven't heard anything back. I was hoping to have someone revisit my article to see if it is fit for publication.

Thanks, Nicole Username: Nboreham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nboreham (talk • contribs) 16:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. This is the Wikipedia Reference desk, where we try to answer factual questions about the 'real world' outside Wikipedia. For questions about Wikipedia itself, you're better off asking elsewhere. In your specific case, try asking at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation. However, I suspect the answer is simply 'we're working on it' - there is rather a backlog with creating articles right now, with (on 3rd October) 1,348 articles currently being processed. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 16:32, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While this is not an official review (primarily because I have no idea how to review and can't really be bothered learning) and as CM said, you're not really at the right place, I'll be honest with you that from the look of the current article, you have no real chance of it being created. I strongly suggest you reread the links you were provided last time your article was declined [2]. I still see no reliable secondary sources covering the subject. In fact I don't see any reliable secondary sources at all, just a forum post, some random other wiki, some sort of coupon site and a site controlled by the subject of the article. Nil Einne (talk) 15:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also looking more closely, I think you're screwed something up. It looks like you've killed all the templates and never actually submitted the article for review again. I've readded the templates. Please don't remove them as this will just confuse matters for you and possibly for others. When you are ready to submit the article for review again, please click on the link in the template which says it's for that purpose and do what it says. However I strongly suggest you do not do so until and unless you've managed to fix the problems since as I mentioned, the article is still far from being suitable for creation. Nil Einne (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to climate tables?

What happened to climate tables? The table that shows high, low and average temps, precipitation, etc. I've looked in the Philly and Camden entries. Others, too, but the climate tables that used to be there are missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.155.114 (talk) 16:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are all individually edited by real people, and not the same real people. If there is an article which doesn't have a climate table, and needs it, you're invited to add it yourself. It doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. It just means that no one did it. You're someone too, so you're allowed to make Wikipedia better. May I recommend http://www.wunderground.com/ as a good source of historical climate data. --Jayron32 16:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

side discussion

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I think a more useful response to "where did that information I used to use go?" would be an answer as to when or why it was removed, not a response of "go re-research it yourself." Just my two cents. --Mr.98 (talk) 16:32, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right, because we'd really rather not have any more people involved in editing Wikipedia. It's better to not invite people to contribute, or encourage them to be members of the editing community here, or really do anything to get more people working on Wikipedia. --Jayron32 21:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know editor recruitment was the focus of the reference desk. Nobody said that we don't want more people involved in editing...--Onorem ♠Dil 15:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. 98 stated in unambiguous terms that he believed my invitation to the editor to participate in Wikipedia was unwelcome. I disagreed with him. Any opportunity to invite a new editor into the process is good, especially when such a person provides the interest in seeing Wikipedia improved. There is no more open door to inviting a new editor in than when a person finds a problem with a Wikipedia article that needs fixing. --Jayron32 16:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't say it was unwelcome. He said there were more useful responses available. Inviting new editors is good. Telling potential new editors that ask questions on the ref desk to do their own research and edit the article themselves doesn't seem too productive. Your reply to the question did absolutely nothing to answer it. --Onorem ♠Dil 17:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jayron did provide a link to a reference that would give the data the OP wants and did explain why the info wasn't there yet--he didn't only extend an invitation to edit--the rest of the discussion above belongs on the talk page. μηδείς (talk) 17:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"the climate tables that used to be there are missing." - Read the question, then answer. They aren't looking for a place to find the info. They are asking why info that used to be included isn't now. --Onorem ♠Dil 17:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to know a date at which climate table were present in those articles -- we might then be able to figure out who removed them and why. I did a quite scan of the history of Camden, New Jersey, but didn't spot anything. Looie496 (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Philadelphia#Climate has it hidden in a collapsible box. The {{Philadelphia weatherbox}} template was made collapsed by default in September 2010. I too had a look at Camden, NJ to see if it was simply hidden, but it seems to have never had climate data; maybe you were thinking of a different Camden. Astronaut (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that by "Philly" you mean Philadelphia? If so, at the end of the "Climate" section there is a grey-coloured bar which says "Climate data for Philadelphia (Philadelphia Airport)". At the right-hand end of the bar, it says "[show]" - if you click on that, the table appears, as if by magic. I think the idea is to make the article easier to browse. We have an awful lot of articles called Camden, including one here in London. Alansplodge (talk) 5:14 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)

I would ride on the assumption that the OP means Camden, NJ, a city right across the river from Philidelphia. Unfortunately, I cannot find when that information was taken out. Livewireo (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Was it ever put in Camden New Jersey? Channeling Chuck Conners here: "It's gonna be cold . . . It's gonna be gray . . . And it's gonna last you for the rest of your life!" Kidding aside, love the Jersey! Marketdiamond (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Duvauchelle, New Zealand

Where may I find information on the history of Duvauchelle, New Zealand? Like where did it's name come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.243.95 (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has a brief article about Duvauchelle but there's no information on the source of the name. I can't find any official website or local historical organization which has any information. I did find find the New Zealand Gazetteer of Official Geographic Names, a website run by the Government of New Zealand, so perhaps you may find information there. --Jayron32 21:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found TALES OF BANKS PENINSULA: NO. 6. — DUVAUCHELLE'S BAY SOUTH, which says "The name was derived from two brothers who held a couple of sections under the Nanto Bordelaise Company. They never lived in the Bay, and yet it still bears their name. It was never a French settlement at all, and the first that is known of it is that Rauparaha had a big cannibal feast just where the old tramway crossed the main road." You can navigate through some other articles in the book using the line that says "Previous Section | Table of Contents | Up | Next Section". You can read more about the Nanto Bordelaise Company at Te Ara, The Encyclopedia of New Zealand - Story: French Page 2 – The Akaroa settlement. Also Christchurch City Libraries - Kaitouna (Duvauchelle) which mentions "...the site of an ancient pā" (not sure what that is, but it sounds interesting!). Of course, if you can get to the actual Christchurch City Library, they will probably be able to help a lot more. Alansplodge (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you wanted to read the whole of "Tales of Banks Peninsula" you can read it here - I could only see parts of the book at the link I gave above. Alansplodge (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Astley's Cigar Pipe

I've come across Sir John Dugdale Astley, 3rd Baronet in my travels.

I noticed he appears to be smoking a cigar that's stuck into a pipe. Or is the pipe not a pipe at all but a cigar holder in the shape of a pipe? I've heard of cigarette holders, but not cigar holders. Or is it artistic licence in the spirit of the caricature; and if so, what is being caricatured? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:23, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There seem to be a few cigar holders for sale on the net, but most of them are a short, straight tube.[3] [4]. Perhaps he was just a bit eccentric? Alansplodge (talk) 22:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I read at Cigar#Cigar holders that "Also, cigar holders may refer to a tube in which the cigar is held while smoked. These are mostly used by women, and rarely by men". It's odd for women to be smoking cigars in the first place, although not unknown.

Maybe Astley was renowned for his use of the cigar holder, something that was normally associated with female cigar-smokers, hence doubly odd. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A member of the English Peerage odd? Surely not! What can you be thinking? Alansplodge (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

King of the Peds By P. S. Marshall says that Astley was famous for "...the enormous cigar never out of his mouth...". No mention of a holder though. However, the cigar-in-pipe combo does appear in a silhouette, 1889, of Sir John Dugdale Astley, 3rd Bt by Philip William ('Phil') May at the National Portrait Gallery. Alansplodge (talk) 23:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bingo! A snippet view of The mad hatters: great sporting eccentrics of the nineteenth century, Douglas Sutherland 1987 says; "Sir John Astley, was another easily recognized figure, with his majestic bearing and distinctive cigar, which he always smoked stuck in a specially made pipe." (p.160). Alansplodge (talk) 23:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And finally; the cigar-in-pipe appears in the frontispiece of JDA's autobiography, Fifty years of my life in the world of sport at home and abroad (1894). It looks like an amusing read, but it can wait as I'm off to bed now. Alansplodge (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He took to his bed like a duck to water. Almost. Great answers, thanks Alan, I hereby elevate you to Lord Splodge of Wikipedia Towers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're far too kind. Sadly, no automatic seat in the House of Lords. The nobility ain't what it used to be, don't y'know. Alansplodge (talk) 11:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pay it no mind. For many peers who inherited their titles, the only benefit of having a Lords seat was to not turn up for years or decades on end. They were probably too busy occupying their other Lords seats. Priorities, man, priorities. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 12

looking for an old image/poster

I am trying to find something that I saw around the internet some months ago, wondering if anyone recognises it. Basically an advertising poster portraying the real world as a game, with information on statistics of how huge the in-game world is, how many NPCs to interact with and skill points to gain and so on. Chances are it's lost amongst the billions of other mildly amusing things that pop up around here and soon disappear again, but maybe someone knows where I can find it now?

213.104.247.116 (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting I did try a few different terms in [www.google.com/imghp] but I don't think I found anything that meets your complete description. If there is an image that is close or has aspects of the poster you speak of you can use that image to search like images through Google, also if the poster had a title or saying that might be useful for text searches of images, did it?Marketdiamond (talk) 20:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Obituaries

I'm looking for two obituaries:

Can anyone help me find the obituary of Virginia Herrel (died September 28, 2004. I don't know if her obituary was published in either The Orange County Register, or in another newspaper, but I believe she died in Anaheim, CA)?

And can anyone help me find the obituary of Pieter Verkaik (died December 17, 2003, and his obituary was published in The Orange County Register on December 22, 2004)? 98.234.170.206 (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which Orange County are we talking about, the one in California ? StuRat (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Orange County Register doesn't appear to have any records of a Pieter Verkaik, on that or any other date. I searched for other Pieter's, in case that last name's spelled wrong, but none seem to be the one you want: [5].

Here's an obit for Virginia Kilgo Herrell, but I don't think this is the right person: [6]. StuRat (talk) 00:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This site claims to have info about the death of Pieter M. Verkaik, of Santa Barbara, CA, but you have to sign up to get it: [7]. They also have a record for Virginia M. Herrel of Anaheim, CA: [8]. StuRat (talk) 00:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verkaik... Daughter Petra... The Playboy centerfold of a couple or three decades ago? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia M. Herrel, died 9-28-04 in Anaheim. That's from Ancestry.com, but their source is the Social Security Death Index. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 13

Most Successful Franchise of all Time

I can't seem to find this seemingly simply question online: Out of every franchise in the world of any medium (Broadway plays, video games, movies), which franchise has made the most money in history? Franchises that span multiple mediums (Pokemon has games, movies, television, manga, and trading cards for example). The only things I can find online only deal with one medium ("Most successful movie series of all time", for example) --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 07:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean to measure success by money earned. More recent productions will earn more money, typically, due to increases in population, and especially if you don't adjust for inflation. So, with that in mind, perhaps something like Harry Potter ? StuRat (talk) 07:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, the Entertainment Desk would be a good place for this Q. StuRat (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shakespeare would be my guess. --TrogWoolley (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget Washington Irving, with his stories being recast and remade every generation . . . and with the current political climate would PBS/NPR (Bigbird) be considered their own franchise (merch, multiple PBS mediums etc?). Oh that's right they are non-profit. Marketdiamond (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that PBS and Washington Irving combined have not earned in their existence one-thousandth of what an actually popular franchise has. Especially not the extremely obscure Irving!! --NellieBlyMobile (talk) 21:24, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For your PBS reaction see arguably longest running single host show, the original 25 seasons of National Geographic specials and Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?, and thats only the "small market" Pittsburgh station, expand from there.

I may be inclined to see how Irving isn't #1 or some factual reason he may not be top 5 but "extremely obscure"? Then why do Hollywood studios keep remaking Legend of Sleepy Hollow over and over, they want to lose money and audience? Not to mention all the derivations and adaptations that on first sight don't seem connected. LoSH was just one of Irving's works, for nearly half a century he was the "rockstar" of American Literature, I've heard some scholars state that he is the father of American or even New World literature (so then every screenplay and sitcom treatment can be traced back to him? Not suggesting that but the question has been raised before). Most importantly Irving was the very first new world author to actually be read (and sought after) by Europeans. I really don't see any media "franchise" even coming close to Irving until decades later with Mark Twain and Stephen Foster (another 2 that would have to be considered when accounting for all the subsequent "borrowing" of their works under different projects). Imagine having only one "artist/entertainer/media personality" dominant decades almost a half century and not only the U.S. but be taken seriously throughout the world, closest I can compare is Stephen King or Oprah but even with their staying power decade after decade they are not the dominant overarching monopoly Irving was in so many ways. Marketdiamond (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Franchise" is not defined here, but I don't think all the works of a single author such as Shakespeare or Irving would qualify, although Hamlet (which predates Shakespeare) or Rip Van Winkle presumably would. And is Looney Tunes one franchise, with mutually interactive characters, or several (Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Daffy Duck, etc.)?

A truly successful franchise would have to be something that has continued to be successful until more or less the present day. So Robinson Crusoe probably isn't going to be a winner, even though there were a great many adaptations of it in the past. Among the contenders that come to mind, besides Looney Tunes, are Sherlock Holmes, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, classic Disney (Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck - maybe separate franchises), Tarzan, James Bond, and Star Wars. John M Baker (talk) 22:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm having real trouble understanding the meaning of franchise here. The only meanings I'm familiar with are the right to vote, and a commercial right to run a business on the same model as another, such as KFC or McDonalds. I'm not American. Are we discussing something from that culture? How can Hamlet be a franchise? HiLo48 (talk) 23:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The OP is welcomed to correct me but I think John M Baker has a point, "franchise" in the entertainment sphere usually refers to some genius concept such as the "Indiana Jones franchise" or the "Oprah franchise" including all merchandise, theme park attractions, cross promotion (like product placement, promotional partnerships, soundtrack and MTV videos, cartoon or sitcom spinoffs, McDonalds happy meal toys, etc.) or their comparables in past decades or centuries. When answering and to level the field I consider people like Twain, Foster and Irving their own "franchises" since in those days you pretty much had to be. Marketdiamond (talk) 23:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I interpret the question to be about a media franchise with licensing rights. The rights to Shakespeare's works expired long before they made significant money so they don't qualify. List of highest-grossing films#Highest-grossing franchises and film series and List of best-selling video game franchises may be good places to find candidates but they don't give total numbers for the media franchise. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although I can see where your coming from PrimeHunter I disagree, in your example of Shakespeare the "franchise" is still making money just for others. By your method the Beatles may disqualify since it is the deceased Michael Jackson's estate making $ on the still alive Paul McCartney/Ringo Starr's works (at least last I checked MJ's estate was). Technically they are still in copyright but that shouldn't be a hard standard since Disney corporation successfully extended 75 year old works[9], Shakespeare (and Irving, Twain etc.) just didn't have a perpetual global army of top lawyers on retainer lol. Why should the lack of that diminish the $ those works continue to produce today by being repackaged and reworked? Marketdiamond (talk) 00:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to guess the intention of the poster who said franchise four times and medium three times. We haven't heard back from him but see for example media franchise and wiktionary:franchise. I'm not discussing "fairness". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to comment last night, right after the "Shakespeare" answer, that that was an oeuvre, not a franchise, but figured it would be nitpicking. μηδείς (talk) 03:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jet2 Flight arriving at Edinburgh Scotland on Monday 15th October

Please can someone help. I know this is a ridiculous question to ask here, but I am picking someone up and don't know their flight number or arrival time. I have tried every other site I can think of but neither the online or telephone or airport systems can help me. All I get told is "This Flight has sold out" without giving any other information. If you can't help, thanks for reading this anyway? And we are supposed to live in the technologically advance information age? 80.192.67.152 (talk) 11:16, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jet2's Flight Status page has a list - this is for Edinburgh in the next 12 hours. You'll have to check again on Monday though. If you know where they are coming from it will narrow it down even further. Adam Bishop (talk) 11:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Adam. That's very helpful. Much appreciated. 80.192.67.152 (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 14

Sharing Wikipedia articles on Facebook

i just wanna ask a simple question:will you in the future have a button some where to share what you put here with places like facebook cause i would totally like to put some things i read here that where really cool out there for the world to see more,but the no facebook status has it a bit on the why side.amanda titus. my email is [redacted].thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.132.24 (talk) 01:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added a title. StuRat (talk) 01:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Are you saying that Facebook blocks Wikipedia pages ? If you put a link to this Q there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#Sharing_Wikipedia_articles_on_Facebook

What happens ? StuRat (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The question is about a Facebook feature to "share" a website by posting a link to it in a certain way. Answered at Wikipedia:Help desk#Button for Facebook share. Please only post a question in one place. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as we are exporting Wikipedia and not importing Facebook lol. Marketdiamond (talk) 03:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to fish processors remove mercury from them?

Or do they not? Hasn't there been a process invented to remove all toxins from fish?

Or is there a government conspiracy that prevents such an invention from occurring? --70.179.167.78 (talk) 01:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There could be a government conspiracy, but if it was any good, I guess we wouldn't know. HiLo48 (talk) 02:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury removal would likely make the result into fish slurry, so not very appetizing. It would also make the result quite expensive. It's more sensible just to limit your consumption of fish so as to keep mercury to a safe level. StuRat (talk) 02:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The idea of removing all toxins is nonsense. The idea of a government conspiracy is also nonsense. There have been several studies that looked at the possibility of reducing mercury levels in fish fillets or fish slices using chelating agents or other treatments, with moderately positive results, but as far as I can see there has been no uptake by industry. Looie496 (talk) 02:23, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Or you could just go mercury free with the healthy, omega loaded and now so plentiful they are giving it away in some parts of the U.S. . . Asian carp. ;-) Marketdiamond (talk) 02:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why would they be mercury free ? StuRat (talk) 02:58, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 ) What are the costs involved in receiving supply thru an Express Feeder?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/203.199.143.172|203.199.143.172]] ([[User talk:203.199.143.172|talk]]) 11:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 *{{homework}} --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 11:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
+:I don't think this is homework at all.  Considering that the IP geolocates to India and this [http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-18/pune/28165064_1_feeder-aundh-civil-hospital-power-supply Times of India article] provides a reasonable explanation, this seems like a typical "help me find information" request.  Searching for "express feeder" quickly finds Ashirwad Engineering, an electrical contractor in [[Pune]] which provides Express Feeder equipment for up to 220KV electrical distribution systems.  If the OP was to take a look at that company's website they would find the [http://www.expressfeeder.com/about_ashirwad.html 'about us' page] has something to say about what an Express feeder is for, while the [http://www.expressfeeder.com/ashirwad_services.html services page] goes into more details.  However, none of that seems to answer the eligibility question or the tariffs question.  Further searching is necessary, though I got fed up looking after reading many pdfs about tenders and disputes and no basic information which didn't assume you knew all about it in the first place.  [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 17:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
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 ::::::::'''''"the climate tables that used to be there are missing."''''' - Read the question, then answer. They aren't looking for a place to find the info. They are asking why info that used to be included isn't now. --[[User:Onorem|Onorem]][[Special:Contributions/Onorem|♠]][[User talk:Onorem|Dil]] 17:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
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+:::It would be helpful to know a date at which climate table were present in those articles -- we might then be able to figure out who removed them and why.  I did a quite scan of the history of [[Camden, New Jersey]], but didn't spot anything. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496|talk]]) 17:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
+:::[[Philadelphia#Climate]] has it hidden in a collapsible box.  The {{tl|Philadelphia weatherbox}} template was made collapsed by default in September 2010.  I too had a look at Camden, NJ to see if it was simply hidden, but it seems to have never had climate data; maybe you were thinking of a [[Camden|different Camden]].  [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 17:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 :::I'm guessing that by "Philly" you mean [[Philadelphia]]? If so, at the end of the [[Philadelphia#Climate|"Climate" section]] there is a grey-coloured bar which says "Climate data for Philadelphia (Philadelphia Airport)". At the right-hand end of the bar, it says "[show]" - if you click on that, the table appears, as if by magic. I think the idea is to make the article easier to browse. We have [[Camden (disambiguation)|an awful lot of articles called Camden]], including one here in London. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 5:14 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)
 :::::I would ride on the assumption that the OP means [[Camden, NJ]], a city right across the river from Philidelphia. Unfortunately, I cannot find when that information was taken out. [[User:Livewireo|Livewireo]] ([[User talk:Livewireo|talk]]) 21:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)