Now that you've created the epithet the '''Notorious Portalspammer''' for [[User:The Transhumanist]], can you come up with one for me? The '''Burgundy Templater''' perhaps? Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;"> Buaidh </span>]]<span style="font-size:70%;vertical-align:middle;"> [[User talk:Buaidh|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]</span> 00:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Now that you've created the epithet the '''Notorious Portalspammer''' for [[User:The Transhumanist]], can you come up with one for me? The '''Burgundy Templater''' perhaps? Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;"> Buaidh </span>]]<span style="font-size:70%;vertical-align:middle;"> [[User talk:Buaidh|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]</span> 00:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{yo|Buaidh}} if you ever showed even a small fraction of the analytical capability that TTH displayed, I might consider it. But TTH is way out of your league.
:Your attempt at flattering him as a portal creator two months after he wrote that portals are becoming redundant was a piece of comedy.
:Now to the serious bit. Please keep discussion at XFD focused. That's what I collapsed your attempt to use it as a caht room
:On ''every'' previous occasion when I have nominated at MFD portals in which [[User:Buaidh]] has an intrest, they have responded with an extraordinary range of misconduct including: sustained personal attacks, spamming messages, blatant canvassing, and flooding the discussion with multiple walls of text, and maliciously false allegations of harassment. I urge Buaidh to refrain from that, and to discuss the substantive issues at the MFD. If there is any resumption here of such disruption, I will go straight to ANI, without further warning. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 00:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks very much for your work in cleaning up Canadian election links in the various and sundry articles you've worked on over the past few days.......Cheers! PKT(alk) 12:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, PKT. Once I finally got AWB module working, it hasn't been too big a job to apply WP:ELLINKS to various countries. The Canadian set has been quite easy to work on, because the articles are nearly all in fairly good shape, without too many random redirects in use. Congrats to you and everyone else who has built and maintained them.
Good work on cleaning up a huge number of NZ articles too, from "New Zealand foobar election, YYYY" to "YYYY New Zealand foobar election". I stopped counting at 55 edits by the last week of June, but I see many more since (all on my watchlist). Good work. Akld guy (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question about improving an article
So, I started the article for Katherine Hughes (activist). It was listed on DYK earlier this month, but I wish I had more content in the article that was related to the hook. It seems that a lot of Katherine's work related to Irish activism was done by a pseudymn: Caitlín Ní Aodha. There's probably more sources out there that refer to that name instead of hers, but I'm not really sure where those sources might be. Since you've edited a lot of articles about Ireland, I was wondering if maybe you had a secret list suggestions about where I might be able to find reliable sources. Clovermoss (talk) 23:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats on making such a good start on an article about such a fascinating character. I can see why you want to find out more!
I'm a bit stuck on where to go for sources. The secretive nature of her work means that my usual suggestions of newspapers probably aren't much use. And the problem is compounded by the sad fact that after the Irish revolution, women were largely squeezed out of public life and written out of history.
I haven't come across her, so I can't be much help. I did find two of her books: Father Lacombe and Archbishop O'Brien. I don't advise going to WikiProject Irish republicanism. There's been no significant activity there for many years. Scolaire (talk) 10:25, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I added nationalities (mostly from the user page, or from evidence in the RfC) to User:Oculi/sandbox3. The closer is from Queensland; all 12 of the Aus/NZ contributors were of one mind (10 post-canvas). UK editors were about 50:50 (although post-canvas all but 1 from the UK were opposes). Oculi (talk) 11:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised to see the overall number of contributors so low, but that's often the way with RFCs. They can look much busier than they actually are.
So it's not surprising that a small number of antipodeans could sway the balance.
I guess that the RFC outcome will stand until someone does a re-run. Meanwhile the categorisation problem remains unresolved
So far there seems to be no traction for sanctioning @Number 57 for this act of stealthy votestacking, let alone desysopping him as he deserves.
The lessons from this are clear, but depressing: if you don't like the way an RFC is heading, do some stealthy votestacking to tilt it your way ... and when challenged about this flagrant sabotage of consensus formation, accuse the objectors of sour grapes. It's a scumbag's approach to a consensus-based project, but those who choose to behave like scumbags can see that works and that they'll get away with it. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 12:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given that most of the opposers were Aus/NZ/UK, it might be that adding (a) except Aus/NZ, or (b) except Aus/NZ/UK/Ireland (no 'z' border) would have passed even with canvassing. In practice whatever happens one would need to rename Category:Organisations based in the United Kingdom which I expect would be controversial even post-RfC. I think a problem with RfCs is that the later contributors don't read the rationale as it is too many screens away. Perhaps new comments should be at the top. (c) might be 'except the Commonwealth of Nations' - one could easily set up Category:Organisations based in the Commonwealth of Nations. (Nigeria is the only one I've noticed with 'z'.) Oculi (talk) 10:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for cleanup
Thanks for the cleanup you do on articles. I have learned about some of the formatting mistakes I make from watching your edits. AWB looks intimidating to me, but I hope to help with your election link cleanups as I come across them in the future. Take care and all the best. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have a question. What event and what day is celebrated in the Republic of Ireland as an Independence Day from England? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for slow reply. I was offline for a few days and missed this.
The short answer is that we don't have a single day to celebrate independence, because our independence was a gradual and often painful process which is still unfinished, and nearly all of the landmarks are at best bittersweet. Some of them are very divisive.
The major landmarks are:
The 1916 Easter Rising. A failed rebellion which triggered later events, though there are heated debates around how to view the violence it unleashed. It's our main celebration, on Easter Sunday every year, but there is a significant (tho dwindling) minority of people who refuse any part in it.
The Irish Free State was established on 6 December 1922. Even its defenders proclaimed it merely as the best stepping stone we could get; but for its opponents it was treachery of the highest order. So we don't celebrate that anniversary.
The Statute of Westminster 1931 was a hugely significant step on the path to independence, but it was a legal technical matter whjich never really caught the public imagination.
The Executive Authority (External Relations) Act 1936, which came into effect on 12 December 1936, was another huge step, the result of some v cunning politics. But because it retained acknowledgement of the British Crown, it is bittersweet and not popularly celebrated.
The adoption in 1937 of Bunreacht na hÉireann was another huge step, which gave us our own President (tho it was equivocal on whether the President was actually head of state). But it too has many points of controversy, so its anniversary is not celebrated.
The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 was the point where we finally declared ourselves a Republic and were recognised as such. However, that too is controversial, because it's only a 26-county Republic. For many Republicans, it was and remains wrong to have applied the label to a state which excludes the 6 counties of Northern Ireland ... so we don't celebrate that.
The result is best summarised as a contested, unfinished history which doesn't give easy answers or make neat stories for unequivocal celebrations. Some people would like it neater, but the older I get the more I have come to value the fact that our past and present are always having a difficult dialogue with each other, and sometimes an angry debate. This provisionality stops us getting too cocky, too monolithic, too assured of our own virtue.
I look at countries which tell themselves a simpler story, and I don't like how a dominant official story represses so many ugly realities. In France, a story of a great revolution of high ideals represses the ugly reality of a centralised rationalism which has too often been cruel and inhuman. In the UK, the official whiggish narrative of a nation bound by progress denies the reality of several centuries of violently pillaging the planet. In that big area south of Canada which celebrates the day you posted, I see a narrative detached from the realities of the genocide of a continent, and subsequent global violence.
I fear that if we in Ireland ever allowed oursleves a single, uncontested official story, that we be'd even worse. So I like that fact that we have lots of big buts in the stories we tell of oursleves, and little that we can celebrate without explicit reservations. I think it helps stop us from, as we say, losing the run of ourselves.
As ever, YMMV. Hope you had a great day on the 4th, whatever you were celebrating.
Thank you for the long answer and the emphasis that history is usually bittersweet. As you can guess, I partly agree and partly disagree with your comments about the region between the Rio Grande and the 49th parallel, but what we had in the Maryland and Virginia area was unpleasant division on Thursday resulting from official imposition of an even more partisan and divisive narrative than is usual here on that day, an attempt to celebrate enforced uniformity in a nation whose strength is its diversity. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:43, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It picks up on an proposition repeatedly made by SmokeyJoe: that portals are a failed experiment, in which only a few have proven to attract readers. Joe has focused on the portals linked from the front page, which each gather over 1000 pageviews per day, and has suggested dumping the rest.
I have sympathy with Joe's idea, because WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers" ... and because the threshold Joe uses is about the same as the pageview count for the head article of most portals (most of them are 1000+).
However, I think that Joe is setting the threshold too high. I think that a threshold of 50 or 100 pageviews a day would be sufficient to weed out a lot of the low-traffic, under-maintained portals, while recognising that some portals which are not on the front page do nonetheless sustain much more credible pageviews than than the mass of unviewed portals.
So while Joe's suggestion would remove 98.8% of portals, I think that';s unlikely to gain consensus.
So my idea is to set a threshold of pageviews, and triage portals into three groups, as follows:
Portals above a given threshold, to be kept.
Portals meeting more than half that threshold, which may be improved to meet the threshold, so should be reviewed again after 12 months
Portals below half that threshold, which should be immediately deleted.
Then offer various options:
OPTION A: Aim to keep only portals which average over 1000 pageviews per day. There are no portals in the 501–1000 range, so delete the remaining 897 portals.
OPTION B: Aim to keep only portals which average over 250 pageviews per day. For now, delete the 848 portals which got <=100 views per day in 2019 Q2, and review again after 12 months.
OPTION C: Aim to keep only portals which average over 100 pageviews per day. For now, delete the 758 portals which got <=50 views per day in 2019 Q2, and review again after 12 months.
OPTION D: Aim to keep only portals which average over 50 pageviews per day. For now, delete the 577 portals which got <=25 views per day in 2019 Q2, and review again after 12 months.
I think that gives a reasonable range of options, but I worry that it may be too complicated.
Keep the top level portals as the only stand-alone portals. Do not delete the next best portals, but merge them into the top level portals. Reduce the content in portals, and put much more emphasis on their role to provide comprehensive navigation to increasingly more specific topics. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:52, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Portal:LGBT, the first after the big step, of not being considered worthy of mainpage presence, clearly belongs within Portal:Society, in my view. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The hierarchical structural of Portals should share things with the hierarchical structure of the categories. In fact, conceptually, I would like to see the two merged. I also consider categories for user navigation, to also be a failed experiment. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From BF:
I think the analysis is good (I would leave out the last two columns in the table for simplicity; no need to invert the data as the previous two columns captures it). Is there an easy way to do the last 6 or even 12 months of views (or is that a lot of analysis); I say that because it would avoid any concerns over a portal having a "bad quarter" of views.
I see editors confusing portals with articles at MfD, and for them, low page views are not necessarily a reason for deletion (e.g page views is a rarely used arguement now at AfD). They don't make the connection that a portal which is not maintained has no purpose (e.g. what would be the purpose of WP Main Page if it was left frozen at say 2011)?
The most compelling arguements are when it is shown the portal, bar the 2018 technical updates by the Transhuminist, has been almost untouched for +5-7 years, and has low traffic. This "double lock" of abandonment and no public interest are the most compelling deletes imho. Is there a metric/statistic like page views, that could capture abandonment (e.g. time since last real edit bar the TH and bots etc.)?
I see when editors engage in the level of abandonment, and that this is not just an "unloved article" issue, but a "frozen Main Page" issue, they are swifter to take action.
Everyone knows I have been a major deletion nominator of Portals, and like BHG I have a few dozen or so more I intend to nominate.
But I actually think once that is done it may be a good time to take a pause, so I would add an OPTION E: Do nothing more for now. One belief I have (a reason I have been so active) is that once the junk is deleted, the viewership of the remaining portals may (and only may: of course no guarantees) actually increase: certainly improvement efforts focused on the remaining portals will have more impact. I am surprised/disappointed more portal fans don't see this as a possibility.
This means the current viewership stats may not really be relevant.
Since there is no deadline, why not take a 12-month break, see where the portal viewership is at that time, and come back to the community then with a proposal along these lines? We have put out the fire, I for one don't see major value at this point of further deletion work in the Portal: space and the drama that would ensue. Why not look at the Outlines instead? UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From Hut 8.5
I agree that portals have largely been a failed experiment and I would support getting rid of most of the ones we have at the moment. I'm not sure pageviews are the right metric to use for this though. The only other situation I can think of where we use pageviews to determine whether to keep or delete something is at RfD, where they are sometimes used to determine whether a redirect represents a real search term or not, and even then the use is to determine whether the redirect has any human views at all. Judging from a few clicks on Special:Random most articles would be deleted if we imposed a threshold of 100 pageviews a month. For portals I suspect pageviews are largely a function of how prominently we link to the portal, rather than any particular property of the portal itself.
I suspect a proposal to nominate most remaining portals for deletion will meet with quite a lot of pushback, as you can see from the responses this proposal got. I'd suggest waiting a while and then focusing on the portals which have the least value, such as those in the <25 bracket above. These portals likely have little value and eliminating them would get rid of more than half the remaining portals.
If I had to come up with a suggestion for criteria we should use for having a portal on some topic I would suggest something like this:
A few portals on very high-level topics, such as those linked from the main page at the moment.
I am also very sympathetic to portals which showcase very high quality content, such as Portal:Battleships, as we don't really have anything else which highlights to readers how good these articles are.
First, I thank User:BrownHairedGirl for a useful analysis. Second, I have just proposed that there should be an RFC, but a policy RFC and not a mass MFD. My preference is to proceed with a policy RFC. I share the sadness and concern of BHG about the "sullen passivity" of a group of portal advocates, who continue to say that portal critics are ignoring the expressed views of the community (basing that statement largely on an ambiguous RFC a year ago). So I would prefer that the community be surveyed as to its views again, and that there be no mass deletion of portals until the views of the community are surveyed again. Perhaps the community agrees with User:SmokeyJoe that portals are a failed experiment. Perhaps the community only agrees with me that there have been two failed experiments, partial subpage portals and automated portals.
If we are to triage portals based on pageviews, my preference would be to keep those with 100 daily pageviews and delete those with less than 25 pageviews, which is a hybrid of two of BHG's options that leaves a larger middle zone. However, I would prefer to survey the views of the community with a new RFC.
Robert McClenon (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see you created the page for Celtics assistant coach Jay Larranaga, however, his name according to his official work, as well as multiple other online sources, his last name does not have a tilde over the "n." Would it be possible for you, as an admin, to fix this?
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... then I reserve the right to respond.
You have done all 4 in rapid succession. If you don't like me being involved, the solution is simply for you to cease your serial misconduct. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 00:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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There are other errors in the personal attack besides the ones that you refuted, but I will address them when I !vote, and I am doing analysis on the related portals first. He seems to say that these are the only religions with 100 million followers on the African continent. There are more than five hundred million African Christians and more than five hundred million African Muslims, but you knew that. There have been Christians and Muslims in Africa since the founding of both religions, since Joseph took Mary and the child Jesus to Egypt and since Muhammad sent followers to Ethiopia, but you knew that. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Robert. One of the most fascinating aspects of the portal platoon is that the depth of their anger often seems to be exponentially related to their detachment from facts. Whether it's fact about topics, facts about the history of page, facts about policy, or whatever ... the more wrong that portalista is about that, the greater their anger. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 21:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, well. At this point I think that I will step back from the argument and let the MFD run its course. His anger isn't helping him, but .... Robert McClenon (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You can paraphrase that, and it applies to other editors. Some of them have their portal, and some of them want ownership of 67 miscellaneous portals, and some of them just think that you and I are being oppressive because a reasoned explanation can't be dismissed with a handwave but requires a reasoned reply or no reply. I haven't recently dealt with an editor who saw the moon setting in the east. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I haven't yet nominated a portal where the sun and the moons rise in the north, or something like that. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. -KH-1 (talk) 02:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My request to strike comments on TfD...
Moved from Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/2019 July 9#Template:Featured portal
Moving note: I have moved this here because I now believe I made an error in appending this comment to the TfD and then asking you to respond elsewhere. I would request that this not be moved back to the TfD discussion because it is unrelated to the template being discussed. Retro (talk | contribs) 16:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For the same reason that I have collapsed the above section, I must also strongly request that you strike your first two paragraphs in your original reply to Cactus.man as being unproductive for furthering this discussion. We should not have to stoop to ad hominem and references to unrelated discussions to dispute other's arguments; doing so is disruptive to the goal of achieving a workable consensus by leading to acrimony and pointless arguments. Even if they started it, that doesn't mean you have to continue it.
If you think this request is unreasonable, I would be happy to discuss this further on my or your talk page (i.e. not here). Retro (talk | contribs) 00:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Retro, I am utterly sick of the lies and intemperate rants and ad hominem attacks repeatedly spewed out by portalsistas. (One of them even claimed a day or so ago that posting a reasoned rationale is "oppressive"). So when someone like Cactus throws it at me again, I will respond.
If you ask me to strike my post, but make no such request to the perma-rage editor to whom i was responding who who described my reasoned rationale as UTTER BOLLOX, then something is badly awry in your reasioning. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 03:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My intent was not to call you out as the sole wrong party and blame you for the discussion going off track, but I can understand how my comment came across this way.
I would like to reiterate something I said in my original comment: Even if they started it, that doesn't mean you have to continue it. This philosophy is further substantiated in policy with WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND, which states something similar:
Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. Do not insult, harass, or intimidate those with whom you have a disagreement. Rather, approach the matter intelligently and engage in polite discussion. If another user behaves in an uncivil, uncooperative, or insulting manner, or even tries to harass or intimidate you, this does not give you an excuse to respond in kind. Address only the factual points brought forward, ignoring the inappropriate comments, or disregard that user entirely. If necessary, point out gently that you think the comments might be considered uncivil, and make it clear that you want to move on and focus on the content issue. If a conflict continues to bother you, take advantage of Wikipedia's dispute resolution process. (emphasis mine)
I would encourage you to reflect on this. Your frustration is understandable, and discussions can get heated, but I hope you can understand how your prior comments were not related to the template being discussed and so are not productive towards continuing the discussion.
I emphasize again this is not me blaming you for the discussion going off track, and I have now posted a similar request at Cactus.man's talk. Retro (talk | contribs) 16:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Retro:, I believe that you mean well, but unfortunately you have not handled this well. If you read the discussion, you can see that half of Cactus's initial !vote was a sweary personal attack on me. Unfortunately you chose to go several rounds of reproaching me for my response, before tackling the problem at source. That does not assist resolution. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 16:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I do not consider "utter bollocks" to be a significant swear, and it was used as part of a paragraph explaining why he disagreed with the nomination. Using all caps in this way is a bit ridiculous and in my eyes, reflects poorly on the commenter, but there was some semblance of substance in the point made (that there was explanatory title text). If you feel using this phrase is significant enough to warrant sanctions, you are welcome to bring it to WP:ANI, but continually responding to it at the TfD discussion is not productive for that discussion.
As for "going several rounds of reproaching me for my response", I dispute this characterization: in my original action, I hid Cactus.man's comment and corresponding thread and commented about yours. After your comment, I realized how this came across for you, and clarified my intention here, and further commented on his talk page.
Everything I have discouraged is not related to the template being discussed: this is my fundamental point. Retro (talk | contribs) 17:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that the second half of Cactus's initial post was angry personalised at me, rant unrelated to the template. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 17:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked Users
And Portals
A relatively high percentage of portals were created by blocked or banned users. They were typically blocked either for disruptive editing and battleground editing, or for sockpuppetry. Sockpuppet masters were usually either blocked for disruption or are trolls. So maybe there is a correlation between creating portals and being too stubborn to fit in to Wikipedia. Just a thought. --Robert McClenon (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Legacypac
Would you oppose, be neutral to, or support an unblock of Legacypac as having served enough time? I don't expect him to apologize. The question is what you would think of allowing him to edit.
I'm a great believer in the principle that justice needs to be independent: guilt should be assessed, and punishment decided, by the community rather than bu the victim. So as the target of his attacks, I think it's best that I refrain from comment on the sentencing.
I also don't expect him to apologise. It's just not the way he rolls.
The final incident which led to his block was the culmination of a month or so of sniping because he is not comfortable with the sort of reasoned discussion which admits complexity or nuance, and in which facts may change. That is a part of a pattern I have seen with LP at several other venues (including AFD & CFD): he makes his mind up early in a simplistic binary way, and once he has assigned something to a category he doesn't change his mind even if it becomes clear that he has been mistaken about something possibly crucial. This makes him a disruptive type of force in some broadly-predictable circumstances. That seems to me to be the main issue which the community needs to consider: if he returns, how can he avoid the types of situation which he handles badly, and which led him down a path to that final blocakble event?. But as above, I will make observations, but I shouldn't be part of that call.
In principle, yes, I'll do the followup. But I have a lot else on my desk right now, so it may take a while. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 17:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No problem; no hurry. Thanks for adding it to your list. – FayenaticLondon 17:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
IZAK, you continue to massively over-complicate a series of quite simple issues:
New Christian is a socio-legal category applied in Iberia by the theocratic regimes there. It covers Conversos and their descendants, whatever their previous religion.
Because of the ambiguity of the term "New Christian", the category on Wikipedia was named Category:New Christians (conversos), to include all the people who converted and their descendants
Your conversion of Category:New Christians from a redirect to a full category grouped together several unrelated concepts: Swedenborgians, forced converts in Iberia, and some chunks of the American right. That was classic WP:OC#SHAREDNAME
If you feel that the term "coverso" does not clearly includes those of Muslim origin, we can consider renaming Category:New Christians (conversos) to some more inclusive term. But please don't lose focus on the fact that its intent is to cover all those in the legal category of New Christian.
The recently closed CFD discussion was marred by your repeated diversion down byways about anti-semitism etc. Of course, this whole saga was driven by vicious anti-semitism plus anti-islam in one toxic package, but that's not what these categories are recording: they are recording the social status assigned in Iberia to converts and their descendants. Those converts and their descendants cover a spectrum of faith positions: some were true converts, some remained culturally of their own religion, and some remained whole-heartedly of their original faith. These categories don't try to engage with those nuances, and repeatedly bringing that into the discussion is a diversion. Those issues can be covered by other categories. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 20:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: I agree with most of your points, such as when you say "Your conversion of Category:New Christians from a redirect to a full category grouped together several unrelated concepts: Swedenborgians, forced converts in Iberia, and some chunks of the American right. That was classic WP:OC#SHAREDNAME" and that is why I created New Christian (disambiguation) instead. But, we still have to find a way of including the "Muslim" Moriscos into this category scheme. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @IZAK. Just to clarify: the intent of Category:New Christians (conversos) is that it should include both those of Muslim descent and those of Jewish descent. If I understand correctly, you reckon that the current naming doesn't adequately include muslims. (Tho of course, pls correct me if I misunderstand you; I am trying to understand, and am not trying push you into a corner).
I reckon number 3 is the best, because it is succinct, has the right scope, and seems NPOV. But pls lemme know what you think. I hope that if we chew this over we can get one or more idea to bring back to CFD. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 21:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking, thinking, thinking. I prefer Category:New Christians (moriscos and conversos) (its also NPOV) because in that era the "great rivalry" if one can call it that, both spiritually and Geo-politically, was between Christendom and Islam, with the Jews caught in the middle. That was the main struggle. And it went well beyond Iberia, since it carried on and into the colonies in Latin America and the New World. There were even Moriscos and Conversos in North Africa. Your preference limits it to "place" which is too broad and avoids the religious issues that were at the core of this historical struggle over centuries. Hope this helps. IZAK (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But @IZAK, the whole point of this category is that it is about the laws promulgated by the Iberian regimes. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 22:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Yes, but those laws had effects that went well beyond Iberia, such as, for example, I am lately reading and editing in the History of the Jews in Brazil article, and basically all of Latin America was under the direct rule of Spain and Portugal. New Christians in the New World would be accused of being hidden Jews (Marranos) like in Brazil and then sent to Lisbon in Portugal for trial and execution. So we see that Iberia was connected to the rest of the world where Spain and Portugal ruled. IZAK (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, IZAK. The Iberian empires, which I reckon is implicit in "Iberia". Anyway, I don't think we're going to agree on that ... so how about I do a CFD noting the inadequacy of present title, and proposing renaming one or other of these two, as options A and B? --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 22:31, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Thanks for the new CfD. Best wishes and have a great weekend. IZAK (talk) 23:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Thanks for your help with New Christian (disambiguation). No offense meant but I have been away for a couple of years, guess you can call it a WP:BREAK, and am not aware of every last scintilla of WP rules. IZAK (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did. But I missed being away. My own PC is outdated and defunct. I am using a smart phone for Email and web browsing. But then I discovered the "joys" of using the local library's great computer connections to the web where I am now, for now. IZAK (talk) 21:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think smartphones are the work of the devil. I had one, and hated it. To make the damn thing do phone calls, I first had to tap a symbol called phone, which infuriated me: I resented having to tell my phone to actually be a phone. I don't want an identity crisis in my pocket.
So I was much relieved when the wretched thing climbed into the clothes washer and ended its short life. I retreated to a phone phone, with buttons, which cost me only €1.99 and does a much better job. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I got a cheap Android and I love it. My wife has an expensive Apple iPhone and is hooked on that. I even managed to do a few tiny edits on WP with my Android smartphone, but it cannot do heavy duty editing. All over the world they are ruthlessly removing public phones, especially in the USA so it's essential to have your own mobile phone, and a landline of course as well. IZAK (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Thanks for the new CfD. Best wishes and have a great weekend. IZAK (talk) 23:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Inserting self-closing line break tags
Why are you doing this? The correct form (per the W3C, WHATWG, and MDN) is <br>. This doesn't change the output, so I don't know what the value is in adding the XHTML-style, self-closing <br/>. Is there something I'm missing? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unclosed tags break syntax highlighting, which is a pain for those of us who use it. S99% of times I encounter the problem, it's caused by <br>. So when I'm doing an AWB run for other purposes, I add a line to close the <br> tags as <br />. I have it flagged as a minor edit, so the page will be skipped if that's the only change.
Syntax highlighing in... what? Your other changes (e.g. adding a hatnote to the top of the article and removing a deleted portal) are obviously correct and very helpful. Thanks for that. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To turn it on, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, skip down to the "editing" section, and the it's the third item: "Syntax highlighter: Alternative to the default coloring of wiki syntax in the edit box (works best in Firefox and works almost all of the time in Chrome and Opera)".
So long as you have a reasonable powerful PC, I highly recommend it. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 17:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip. I find syntax highlighting confusing and distracting, so I'm going to pass but I'll see if I can tinker with the code at that tool and fix this tag issue. Thanks as always for your work here and taking the time to educate me. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, Justin. And if you manage to fix the syntax highlighter with a change which is accepted, please let me know, and I will remove the BR fix from my AWB run.
I have had mixed experiences with syntax highlighter tools, but this one is really good. I highly recommend trying it; it's especially valuable when editing templates.
@Koavf:mw:Help:Extension:Linter/self-closed-tag defines several HTML5-valid self-closed tags such as <br/>, <hr/>, <wbr/> (but it's not clear whether Linter flags these if unclosed), and a few more in the Notes section.
@BrownHairedGirl: could you also add <hr/> & <wbr/> to your piggybacked minor changes? I have an ever-growing list of 'global' minor changes that I will add these two to too. ~Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tom.Reding, The solution I suppose is to just use templates (e.g. {{hr}}, which I just inserted for a horizontal rule]. We aren't to be using (X)HTML tags in wiki code anyway. One may say, "well, what if we have 2,000 line breaks in a page and we can't have that many templates?" but you should probably ask yourself why we have so many line breaks in the first place. I would recommend replacing the HTML tags with templates and I'll do that myself in the future. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BrownHairedGirl, The page you linked does not say anything about not using templates. A Ctrl+F of the page only mentions the word "template" in regards to {{nowrap}} and horizontal lists. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. It does recommend the slash in <br />, but doesn't suggest templates. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 19:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BrownHairedGirl, Sure but only due to syntax highlighting, not because it's actual HTML best practice. If the highlighters could parse the non-XHTML forms, then this problem would not be an issue. I'm not 100% clear on why these are unable to understand self-closing tags without slashes but as your user script notes this is an outstanding bug that should be fixed. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Justin, if you can fix the syntax highlighters, then all this will be moot. In the meantime, we need this workaround.
The reason is probably that self-closing tags without the slash are much harder to process. Feel free to do the extra programming to handle them. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 19:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To answer your question, and to gently suggest that WP:SOFIXIT applies here. If you don't like my solution, I have pointed you to an alternative. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 19:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
After a message from User:Retro suggesting that I strike it, I slept on it overnight and, after further reflection, I do agree that it's a bit too personalised and unnecessarily strident. I hope you'll accept my apology, because it was not meant to be personal in any way. The only mitigation (if one can even justify that term) I have is that, unfortunately, you seem to have become the official spokesperson for the PDT (that's my joke acronym for the "Portal Deletion Team", to counter "Portal Squadron"), and any situation where I become exasperated and want to make a point about the activities of the PDT, your Username seems to emerge from my keyboard. Witness the "Sloppygate incident". It's not much of an excuse, I know, but it's genuinely what happens. I'll try to be more careful in future.
So I hope you can accept my apology and take it as an olive branch of good faith. It's hard enough working here without racking up enemies and acrimony.
We all have bad days, and since that's what this was, let's just put it behind us.
I have a backronym for the PDT: Portal Dissection Toilers. I had hoped that months ago we would be long past finding stuff like Portal:IndyCar, but in the last few days I collected a set of over a dozen more portals which my first two-minute check showed as probably being MFD candidates. So now I am going through them one by one, making notes and then polishing them to take to MFD one at a time if they fail. This phase takes me between an hour or two per portal to get to an MFD, but rarely less than 30 minutes even if I find something which makes me reconsider an immediate MFD. So that's at least a whole day's work just on this set.
Robert McClenon was dong some PDT work too, but has taken a break. After all those 36-hour days, I fear that he may have been busted by the European Union's Working Time Directive cops, and currently be languishing in a cell under the Berlaymont. We can't break him out, because the people around my way who might have taken on the job decommissioned their toolkits under the GFA. So he may be detained indefinitely. Please pray for the redemption of his mortal soul
Thanks again, and hope you have a great weekend ... and if that doesn't work out, enjoy the picture of heaven.
Sounds nasty, Robert. I hope the damage wasn't too dramatic, and the fix not too hard on the hands or the pocket.
And I am v relived to hear that you have no been taken prisoner. I won't have start the "Free The Berlaymont One" campaign after all . --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 23:15, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All is okay now. The short had earlier been interfering with my watching of association football, which of course is played wearing shorts. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Football before the shorts fad.Glad to hear it's fixed, Robert. But this idea of football being played in shorts is just a fad. It will never catch on. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 23:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These portals are however getting to me. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was at a new job at a strange location, and hadn't been given timesheets for the past two two-week pay periods, and needed to fill them out and turn them in. Something was said to the effect that we had standard timekeeping and that it wasn't necessary to fill in the timesheets, although I was concerned that I hadn't worked full hours and was wondering how vacation would be charged. I was given a sort of pay stub that took the place of a pay check, and was told that I could deposit it at an ATM in the same manner as a pay check. I then put the stub, which was a small piece of paper that was torn off, into the ATM. Apparently either the ATM or the bank knew how much it was worth. At this point the ATM screen was covered with some sort of greasy crud that would have to be cleaned off with a household cleaning spray, and I think it was cleaned off.
Then there was talk about how thousands of visitors were coming to the island, which happened every now and then for some sort of festival or gathering, and made it a difficult place to be. I thought that the alternatives would be to live on the large island of Great Britain and drive to and from the small island that sometimes was overcrowded with visitors. The island, where the work was being done, was in the Strait of Dover and was a waypoint on the channel crossing between England and France. The island was part of England, but was not part of the big island that is Great Britain. The other side was France, but the problem with living there was that would involve crossing the international border to drive to and from work. It occurred to me that I should have my household goods kept in storage rather than delivered. I would be able to go home and find a job in the United States at the next opportunity for home vacation, and then I could have the household goods delivered to a more permanent location in the United States.
Es war ein Traum.
This island wasn't one of the Channel Islands, because they aren't part of England.
It has been pointed out to me that one problem with living on the French side is that I don't know French. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
While removing deleted portals from several mathematical articles (many thanks for your work on portals), you have moved down the short description. This contradicts WP:Short description, where it is written Put the {{short description}} template as close to the top of the page as possible, for ease of finding it. Also, when one uses the short description gadget for importing a short description from Wikidata, the short description is always placed at the first line. Should these moves be reverted or should WP:Short description and the gadget be modified? In either case, I think that it is to you to do the job. D.Lazard (talk) 02:25, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Any changes to short description are done by WP:AWB's General fixes, which I enable while doing the primary a task. The genfixes come as a package, which I never delve into. I just assume that everything in them has consensus as an appropriate fix; there was a bit of ruckus a year or two back when it turned out that the maintainer had been jumping the gun a bit by adding some genfixes without proper approval, but I think that is all behind us.
I know nothing about WP:Short description, other than that I have seen shortdesc appearing on various pages, and have just read the page now that you kindly gave me the link.
Please can you post a diff or two where you think that my AWB run has got it wrong? --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 02:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per MOS:ORDER, short descriptions should come after hatnotes. This was added in April; however, I don't think anyone informed the AWB devs of the change. WP:GENFIXES move various things around based on MOS:ORDER. Currently, I don't think AWB knows anything about short descriptions, so they are probably being considered as some other type of template and being moved accordingly. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the cases that appeared on my watch list. Respecting MOS:ORDER: [3]; not respecting MOS:ORDER: [4]. Because of a too fast reading of a move of protection templates, I believed that [5] was a third case. As there was no short description in this third case, I have imported one with the gadget ([6]), and it was placed in the first line, before hatnote and protection template. So, depending on the guideline and/or the tool used, we have three possible positions: first line, between hatnotes and protection templates, after hatnotes and protection templates... D.Lazard (talk) 08:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, D.Lazard. It seems that genfixes's idea of order is hatnotes/protectionTemplates/ShortDesc. As JJMC89 kindly noted, AWBgenfixes is following MOS:ORDER.
So I did a little burrowing in WP:Short description, and found this edit[7] on 5 January 2019 by User:CapnZapp. That edit changed the wording from a general note which I paraphrase as "top of the page is nice, but subject to other things which come first" to a stronger "Put the short description template as close to the top of the page as possible." I am sure that was done in good faith, but it seems to me that these decisions need to be made by discussion at WT:MOSLAYOUT.
So AFAICS, Genfixes is doing this correctly, by following MOS:ORDER. WP:SHORTDESC should be amended to reflect MOS:ORDER, subject to any discussions which anyone want to start at MOS:ORDER. Personally, I couldn't care either way, so I won't be proposing any changes ... but D.Lazard, you may wish to start discussions at WT:MOSLAYOUT about whether the current order is OK, and bring WP:SHORTDESC into line with whatever is decided there. And I will continue to let AWB genfixes do what they do. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 12:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just stopping by to say if my edit survived all these months despite a healthy amount of further activity since then it stands to reason that the edit has consensus. If anyone thinks the page requires permission from another page's talk viewers, then the talk page should probably only be a redirect to that other page's talk page. In other words, ignoring a policy page because you don't like it is probably not a good idea. (I have no opinion on the topic discussed here, and I am not claiming anyone is ignoring anything - I was merely summoned here) CapnZapp (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit effectively required a change in MOS:ORDER, but the change was not made to MOS:ORDER and not flagged there, let alone discussed there. It was made to a different page, not discussed, and didn't even have an edit summary clearly describing what it was doing.
As to your claim that I am ignoring a policy page because you don't like ... are you a child with learning difficulties, or just a troll?
You know perfectly well that I have set out in the discussion above that this is nothing to do with whether I like it, and that I really couldn't care less which is at the top.
What has happened here is that you have unilaterally made WP:SHORTDESC say something different to MOS:ORDER. Issues of page order need to be set out in one place, because otherwise we could have dozens of pages each claiming that a different item should be at the top. And that one place is MOS:ORDER, which is what the AWB developers are following -- not me.
I am very happy to discuss this sensibly with people who disagree, but I have only contempt for people like CapnZapp who join a conversation only to misrepresent others. Zap, I notified you as a courtesy ... but stay off my talk until you can behave a civil adult. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 17:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All I said was that, not knowing anything of your specific case, if you don't like a policy, change it, discuss it, but don't ignore it and especially don't shop around for the one you like best. If there is community consensus around a specific policy that "violates" a more general one, it doesn't violate it, it overrides it. Otherwise it would be impossible to find something; if you can't trust what you read on a page ("oh that, just ignore it, you should read WP:THISOVERHERE instead.") I do not need to excuse myself for not knowing WP:THISOVERHERE, and again - there was easily half a dozen other editors that didn't change that edit either. So why didn't you boldly edit it if you're so sure it was a mistake, instead of summoning me only to yell at me?
As to your response, I truly suggest you stop considering yourself a mature and civil editor - unless you had a bad day and your reply was merely uncharacteristically uncouth, in which case I shall now heed your request and stay off your talk (unless you summon me again). CapnZapp (talk) 16:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please correct the area wise rank of haryana in india 22 to 21 in starting of page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.198.250.96 (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi BHG, this an urgent message could you go to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Duplicate_categories_by_User:Shadowbryan25 and it's about User:Shadowbryan25 have misuse edits by add the people from categories. For more details please go to the administrators' noticeboard and go to "Duplicate categories by User:Shadowbryan25" and investigate Shadowbryan25's edits. If you see a People from category remove it immediately. I hope you are the one to investigate. Thank you. 24.80.117.27 (talk) 02:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No like, you were in the right venue though. Per WP:TFD#NOT, Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside. –MJL‐Talk‐☖ 18:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I thought WP:Twinkle must have had a brain fart. But when I had closed the MFD, I saw that User:TenPoundHammer had tagged the template for speedy deletion, so I just went ahead and did that. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 18:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
[Thank you for the ping] Huh, I probably wouldn't have wanted to see it speedied since some of the users who transcluded it are still around, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'll let them be their own advocates on that one. –MJL‐Talk‐☖ 18:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, MJL. If anyone objects, I'll undelete it and we can have the MFD discussion. But I am not expecting much upset about the deletion of a user box relating to a long-abandoned and now-deleted portal. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Besides irony or rebellion, I can't imagine either. That sounds like the best plan though. –MJL‐Talk‐☖ 18:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Irony might be fun, MJL. Rebellion would definitely be fun, esp today.
Hi. I didn't notice it at first reading, but it seems that there is an out of place word "ignore" in your edit. It's very rare to find a closer who will ignore actually uphold WP:NOTVOTE. —andrybak (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Organizations based in Nigeria together with the subcats using 'organis/zations' have been nominated for possible renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. As you created at least one of the categories concerned, you are most welcome to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 19:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. LizRead!Talk! 01:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Have you considered the mop?
Hey, I've seen your name pop up in a bunch of the spaces I edit and honestly what I've seen is the sort of care, attention to detail and neutral attitude that would be perfect for an admin. Have you considered putting up an RfA? If you do, ping me and I'll support it fwiw. Simonm223 (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But no troutings, please. It was a kind thought, and many thanks for posting it. -BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess, thanks for being so good at your job that I'd ask you to do it if you weren't already doing it. LOL Simonm223 (talk) 12:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Categories
Hi BHG, I wanted to ask you more about the technical limitations of Categories that you brought up at the RFC draft. Do you know what work, if any, has been done? I liked a lot of the ideas you suggested and wanted to take a look to see how hard it would be to add some of these features. Are there any other improvements to categories you think could be done software side? Wug·a·po·des 16:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:IECATNAVP is where I set out the start of the idea which was refined on the talk page (WT:IECATNAVP) into what eventually became {{AllIrelandByCountyCatNav}}. I think that in there there is a fairly good summary of my thoughts about the poor state of category software.
If I had to do a quick summary, I'd say that the key things needed are:
I see Newshunter12 recently tried to blame me for attempting to hack your account and I just wanted to tell you that it wasn't me (I did troll him and a few others) and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he the one that brought up the fact someone attempted to hack your account a few months ago before you had even said anything about it ? How could he possibly have known about it unless he or one of his cronies did it. 198.8.81.74 (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(I saw this at the AfD) Would you happen to be admitting to being the IP who's necessitated semiprotecting Newshunter12's talkpage? And the same person who left me the charming entreaties to commit suicide visible here? If so, I'll make sure to strike your comments at the AfD, since self-professed trolls who request editors kill themselves, while referring to them as "cunt" and "faggot", are not welcome to edit here. (See User talk:Zzuuzz#Proxy score of 65 from ipqualityscore and the second thread after it for context, I'm sure a CU would've turned up a good hand/bad hand situation) The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I have said not one word anywhere about IP 198.8.81.74. I don't know very much about IP addresses, but it certainly sounds like this person is admitting to being behind the socking, death threats, suicide demands, and vile insults sent to me and others under other IP's and username, not to mention block evading right at this very moment. For better or worse, all my edits on Wikipedia are through this account and I've never received worse punishment then a warning for my conduct. Actions speak louder then words, and given your history of abusive and disgusting conduct, attempt at framing me via a now banned sock, and corrupt use of technology, I'd say the person who tried to hack your account at least this most recent time has been unmasked, BrownHairedGirl. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Important not to let this get overlooked. Given the apparent revelation about just who tried to hack your account, I would like to apologize to you BrownHairedGirl for you being inconvenienced/hurt because of whatever reason that person has for harassing me and others. You and I haven't exactly been getting on, but I would never want you to be hurt in that manner. Gute Nacht! Newshunter12 (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think your sad attempt at deflection is fooling anyone Newshunter12 the fact remains you were the one who mentioned the attempted hacking of her account before she even publicly mentioned it how could you have known about it unless you or one of your pals did it ? I'd be willing to bet your history on this site isn't as squeaky clean as you'd like us to believe. 198.8.81.74 (talk) 04:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are the one deflecting. I didn't mention the attempted hacking of her account - I made a joke that by chance or fate happened to near-parallel reality. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both died 50 years to the day after the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Coincidences happen. You are the one with the known record of both vicious and tech based abuse, no bets needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear BrownHairedGirl blamed NewsHunter12 for the initial hacking attempt and the most recent one for the reasons stated above. 198.8.81.74 (talk) 04:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Now NewsHunter12 is going around lying claiming that some type of conclusion has been reached to cover his tracks and he's acting like he's been exonerated I don't know if there's any way to prove this but I'm not the one who tried to log or hack into your account and judging by some of the things Newshunter12 has been saying I suspect it's him I mean I know you suspected him already with the wink wink nudge nudge comments he made about hacking but I'm afraid my recent trolling may have given him an alibi and now he might try again and apparently he's convinced Zzuuzz to try and silence me so I hope you read this and take this all into consideration. I'm not sure if this is possible but maybe another admin can try to look up the IP that tried to access your account and prove that it wasn't me. 46.45.138.102 (talk) 09:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)WP:DENY troll — JFGtalk 13:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
I would be more inclined to unravel the details if I saw either of these two warring sides actually trying to uphold Wikipedia policies. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 09:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that I just don't want to see your account get hacked and I'm convinced that Newshunter12 was the one trying to do it but I don't know what can be done to stop it I guess you couldn't get the IP of the person trying to hack it yourself ? 46.45.138.102 (talk) 09:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)WP:DENY troll — JFGtalk 13:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Some kind of closure
Hello @BrownHairedGirl. I posted in incident report on the Admin Noticeboard, but presumably because the thread has become long-winded, a judgement has still not been made, and it's moved into archive. [11] I scanned the Admin noticeboard, and thought you seemed very sober and thorough in your judgements, so would it be possible to make some kind of ruling on this issue? Otherwise the other party's reverts are likely to continue. To get your head around the issue, just reading the last three posts in the thread (where I sought a yes/no answer from the other party) may save time. Thanks for your assistance. ClearBreeze (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Would like a favor
I am going away from keyboard for a few weeks. Plus I have a serious real life issue which demands constant attention for several weeks. I have just now added myself as a maintainer for roughly a half dozen portals that either I think I can improve or that I think are important to improve. I'd ask that I be allowed a few months to work with those portals before you nominate them for deletion. I ask that if any portals come up for deletion in which I am listed as maintainer, please email me. Thank you BusterD (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
After a decade of systematic neglect of the majority of portals, I have repeatedly been unimpressed by white knights who ride in to "rescue" portals, as if a once-off driveby makeover was some sort of viable substitute for ongoing maintenance. For a portal to fulfill its claimed role as a gateway to the the topic, it needs ongoing involvement from multiple editors with multiple points of view ... and the efforts I have seen come nowhere near that.
[Average daily pageviews of portals on en.wikipedia in April–June 2019] Remember that WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". If a portal has low views and a history of neglect and only one editor promising to do some maintenance in the future, then it's a million miles from the baseline requirements.
Despite the culling of so many of the worst portals, the graph to the right shows the vast majority of portals are simply unwanted by readers. It really is time to stop luring readers to this pile of abandonment ... and for editors to stop kidding themselves that they are doing anyone a service by creating a few more redundant content forks behind a superfluous interface.
I'm sorry to here that you are having troublesome life issues. I wish you luck in resolving them.
So that's a "no"? BusterD (talk) 03:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is indeed a "no".
WP:OWNership never applies, and it certainly doesn't apply to a page where one editor has merely indicated an intention to do something unspecified at some time in the future without even expressing an aspiration to address the fundamental problems.
Hi, I believe you entered the death info for this old hockey player, and I'm wondering how you got Drummondville, November 20, 1985. Official death records for Quebec list DOD as February 14, 1985, but they don't include a city of death. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Researchguy (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your belief is almost certainly mistaken, because I have little interest in sports and believe that the WP:NSPORTS has left Wikipedia with far too many perma-stub articles on minor sportspeople.
If you are referring to the article Maurice Courteau, then you are definitely mistaken. My only edit to that article was to add a category.[12]
Since you like to hide things, I'll try the direct approach.
Now that you've created the epithet the Notorious Portalspammer for User:The Transhumanist, can you come up with one for me? The Burgundy Templater perhaps? Yours aye, Buaidh talkcontribs 00:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Buaidh: if you ever showed even a small fraction of the analytical capability that TTH displayed, I might consider it. But TTH is way out of your league.
Your attempt at flattering him as a portal creator two months after he wrote that portals are becoming redundant was a piece of comedy.
Now to the serious bit. Please keep discussion at XFD focused. That's what I collapsed your attempt to use it as a caht room
On every previous occasion when I have nominated at MFD portals in which User:Buaidh has an intrest, they have responded with an extraordinary range of misconduct including: sustained personal attacks, spamming messages, blatant canvassing, and flooding the discussion with multiple walls of text, and maliciously false allegations of harassment. I urge Buaidh to refrain from that, and to discuss the substantive issues at the MFD. If there is any resumption here of such disruption, I will go straight to ANI, without further warning. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 00:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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