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Please review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy 37.225.76.109 (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Can you please explain what you mean? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 13:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Toy is an existing B-class article which you have not edited. What, specifically, did you have in mind? David notMD (talk) 14:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Correction, Toy is C-class. --The Tips of Apmh 14:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

C-class for Core, B-class for WikiProject Toys David notMD (talk) 14:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I submitted a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests for someone to review the article and remove the {{tone}} tag. GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, you're right. --The Tips of Apmh 14:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I hoped someone would notice and remove tank as a toy example, especially given current world situation. 37.225.76.109 (talk) 19:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Right,
1. Could you perhaps have said that in your opening question? Being clear is important
2. Wikipedia is not censored. Toy tanks exist. They are notable. Notability is not temporary. There is no reason to remove them from the Toy article that fits with Wikipedia's current guidelines. casualdejekyll 22:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

We did not have toy guns in the house. I came home one day to find my daughter and friends running around the yard with Barbie dolls bent at the waist so that they were holding the torso and 'shooting' each other with the legs. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like buying your daughter some toy guns is in order. (Not that I'm commenting on your parenting or anything, for all I know this story probably happened years and years ago) casualdejekyll 17:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Heck, we used random sticks - or even our fingers - as guns. The original poster's request to remove the image of the toy tank is as ridiculous as a request to remove the picture of teddy bears because people have been mauled by bears. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Tanks have no legitimate uses. 37.225.76.109 (talk) 11:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

One more time everyone: Wikipedia is not censored! casualdejekyll 23:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• The tank toy is perfectly legitimate as an encyclopeadic entry in a toy article. I've removed the tone article as it is radically out of date and there was some 500 edits since them. I read about half of it and don't see any tone issues. It probably does need a copyedit. I didn't see anything in the history to say it was copyedited. Certainly it can take a couple of months or more to do the work. Perhaps you never left the tag on long enough for the guild to action it. What the article does need and perhaps you do this, is more sources. There is whole bits and sections which are unsourced. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 10:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Photograph of a Victorian Artist

I would like to upload this. It is of a painter who died in 1853. It is possibly from a from a magazine that no longer exists. Would this be available as Free Use? BFP1 (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1 Welcome to the Teahouse. For a magazine that old, you'd have no problem uploading it to Commons as its copyright will have expired long ago. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The photo is old but what if the magazine folded say 20y ago? BFP1 (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The relevant date is the date that issue was published. If that was before 1923, you can upload it. If after, it's complicated. Maproom (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe Maproom is slightly wrong, since WP:COPYEXP says the threshold (for a US photograph) is 95 years pd (after publication) which comes to 1926 (not 1923).

It is entirely possible that the photograph was published later than that, if the photograph was found in the archives of the journal or something years after being taken, in which case it is still copyrighted. That is of course another demonstration of how crazy copyright laws are. "Yes, I apply my artistic skills to make a photograph, but only if it someone’s estate can still make royalties off of it in 250 years" said nobody ever.

All this assumes a US copyright (i.e. first publication in the US). "Victorian" might indicate UK, in which case the rule is 70pma (after author’s death). If so, PD seems like a safe assumption: with the photograph taken in 1853 at the latest, and the photographer dying in 1953 at the earliest, they would be both one of the longest-living persons ever and one of the youngest 19th century photographers. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1: Hi there! You could ask at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright, and provide all the information you have about the image. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Should I just move this section?

I am writing my MA dissertation about publications by art galleries and similar institutions. I would like to start helping to improve Wikipedia, and thought I would start with the exhibition catalogue page. It doesn't seem to have any references, and in my opinion could do with a bit of a re-write in general.

One problem is that the page covers both exhibition catalogues as would be associated with an art exhibition, and trade fair guides which (apparently? I've never seen it, and there's no citation) can also be called exhibition catalogues.

I wrote a suggestion on the talk page about moving the stuff about trade fair catalogues to the trade fair article. But maybe I should just move it myself? How do I decide whether to do this myself? Any advice appreciated. Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ascendingrisingharmonising I'm not familiar with the subject, but the opening line is – "There are two types of exhibition catalogue (or exhibition catalog): a printed list of exhibits at an art exhibition; and a directory of exhibitors at a trade fair or business-to-business event." Does your research show that there are two types of publications known as exhibition catalogues? If so, then both types should be left in, if you can find good references. If the opening sentence is wrong, then you should correct it, and only leave what is actually known as exhibition catalogues. I would suggest that you first work on finding good references, and give others who may have an interest in the article time to respond to what you wrote on the Talk page. Best wishes on your projects – both academic and Wikipedia article editing. And thank you for wanting to help. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. In my opinion, there are "two types of publications known as exhibition catalogues" - but one type is almost always known as an exhibition catalogue, whereas the other type is only occasionally called that and usually called something else (and has little to do with what people usually mean by the term). Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 16:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Translations of the bible

I often find when reading articles something to do with Christianity that, when quoting a bible passage, they tend to use the King James Version. Is this due to a policy/guideline (and if so why), or is it just an unwritten rule? Either way, I do not consider it very helpful - the King James Version is unclear for modern readers (given how the language has changed, and translation techniques have improved). Farleigheditor (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Farleigheditor. I am pinging Jenhawk777 to this discussion. Jenhawk777 is a very helpful editor with a lot of experience with biblical and Christian topics. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Correct. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Farleigheditor I don't know of any written guidance. I tend to consider it a version of WP:ENGVAR/WP:REFVAR, as in keep consistent within article, don't change without good reason (for example see the editsummaries in this diff:[1]), and if you start the article you get to pick. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Farleigheditor, the simple answer is "because it's the easy thing to do". There is a template for King James that is simple and there isn't for other versions. That's it. Human laziness - mine included. Gråbergs Gråa Sång gives good advice above. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Jenhawk hasn't edited today yet and it makes me wonder after this message [2]. I am hoping for the good outcome. 180.194.127.148 (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Comedic, Irrelevant Articles

Hey, I'm kinda new to this creating pages thing, am I allowed to create a commemorative article about something no one is ever going to need in terms of information? I was wondering if I could create an article for my cat, Chesterlord, just for fun, maybe in the hopes that someone in the future would randomly stumble across it and laugh about it or something? Like, I noticed the Wikipediholic Test and that seems really irrelevant towards actual research, but seems like so much fun, can I create something like that?

Danke Dwightol102 (talk) 20:36, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102: I'd avoid creating anything that's not encyclopedic. There are other platforms for blogging. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Awwww maaaaan... Fiiiine.

(, Dwightol102 (talk) 21:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102: Welcome to the Teahouse! Regarding creating an article for your cat, see also WP:NOTWEBHOST. However, some people choose to upload a personal picture on their own user page. GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

It was a mistake, but how to fix it?

I was in a hurry to create an English version of a page devoted to the Russian businessman and philanthropist Boris Zimin (this person supported Russian science for years, and now there is a concern in Russian scientific society that he might be sanctioned, which would be terribly unfair! It's just an explanation why I was in a hurry). So I made a wrong decision to create a short page of a single paragraph and then develop it into a normal English page. But I underestimated the speed of Wikipedia: in 15 minutes the page was converted into a draft as relying on a single source (though several sources were already at hand, I did not have time to insert them).

Now, the page is a draft: Draft:Boris Zimin

It contains now a number of sources both English and Russian, and I am a bit frustrated because the person who converted it into a draft does not answer, and I don't see what's wrong with the page now. If somebody feels that it requires improvement, please let me know. But if it is OK, how can I make it a normal English version? Mlarisa (talk) 22:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

courtesy ping: Robert McClenon 💜  melecie  talk - 23:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Mlarisa, User:Melecie - I didn't move it to draft space. I only put a note on it saying that it had been moved from article space to draft space. It was moved from article space to draft space by User:Singularity42. You asked me on my talk page, and I gave the same answer, and Singularity42 answered, saying that it appeared that you had resolved the issue, which was that there was only one source.

I will add that your mistake was one that is sometimes made by editors creating an article in article space, and that is to create part of the article, in article space, and expect to finish it in article space soon. As you can see, New Page Review is often quick in dealing with clearly incomplete articles, which may be moved to draft space or tagged for speedy deletion. What I, and some other editors, advise, is not to put a fragment of an article in article space. Put the fragment of the article in user space, such as a sandbox, or in draft space. When it is ready for article space, move it to article space.

What you can do now is to wait for a reviewer to accept the draft, which moves it into article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

And now it's reviewed and back in mainspace.Slywriter (talk) 02:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Thank you for explanation, in future I will be careful with new articles ) Mlarisa (talk) 06:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Slywriter Thank you very much for your help! Mlarisa (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Soundcloud as a reliable source.

Hello there. I'm reviewing an article for GA status and one of the sources listed is a link to a soundcloud file. I don't know if I should treat this similar to an archive.org link or if it's an unreliable source altogether. Any opinions? NSNW (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@NSNW, can you give us the link and the statement it's trying to support? Soundclouds are managed by the artist, typically, so I'd guess it's likely suitable only for supporting WP:ABOUTSELF material. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. (https://soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-123-international-qanon-the-netherlands-feat-marc-andre-argentino). The source is referencing the fact that a researcher identified a trend in how QAnon followers attempt to bring female followers into joining the theory, (the article I am reviewing is Pastel QAnon). NSNW (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the source is isn't necessary for the text. There are three sources besides the SoundCloud source that are accurate being used to cite the claim. I'm mainly doing this for future reference if I ever come across a SoundCloud source that's by itself. NSNW (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@NSNW, ah, well in that case, I'd say the principle applies that it matters who the source is and what their credentials are, not what platform they're publishing on. So just as YouTube isn't normally reliable but a YouTube video from a YouTube video from The New York Times very much is, so too a Soundcloud audio file can be reliable, but it'd be have to be from a reliable source. I'd have to look more into it to say if Marc-André Argentino or QAnon Anonymous meet that bar, but that's the relevant question. Hope that helps! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright then, I will probably just ask that the source be removed. There are already reliable sources that cite Marc-Andre Argentino, so it shouldn't be a problem; thank you. NSNW (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Translation without proper attribution

Hi there, I noticed that several of the articles I wrote on the French Wikipedia have been translated here in English, however without proper attribution (per WP:TFOLWP). One example: Shigisan Engi Emaki. Any idea how to fix it now? Binabik (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Binabik: Add the template {{Translated page}} to the talk page, and do a dummy edit naming the originating source with the edit summary. Notify the translating editor. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like, you can use the {{uw-translation}} template to warn the editor. DanCherek (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If the article was rated by a Wikiproject, you might also want to remind the editor who rated it to check if an article looks like it might be a translation from another wiki before rating it. I catch unattributed translations in the WP:GERMANY assessment queue all the time. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers! Binabik (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Am I violating policy on rel sources and factual statements?

I recently added in information that (over 90 countries have signed up for Huawei). My source is as below. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/585662-to-compete-with-china-in-5g-america-must-solve-its-spectrum-problem https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2020/06/09/whos-winning-and-whos-losing-the-war-over-5g/?sh=2a977d67104e Am I wrong to add into an article saying that "over 90 countries signed up for Huawei"? I think my sources aren't making an opinion but simply stating a fact. Dragonkingluv (talk) 03:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Dragonkingluv and welcome to the teahouse! the first source is part of an opinion piece, and while it might state facts, it is better to find a less opinionated source for it as per WP:NEWSORG: Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (invited op-eds and letters to the editor from notable figures) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact. the second source is a forbes contributors piece, which is not only an opinion piece, but also don't have as much editorial oversight and as such generally considered unreliable. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

How can i create a person page

Neha Pandey i have referances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 06:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@AhmdAsjad, see Help:Your first article. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You have a track record of creating articles without going through AfC that are then nominated for deletion, also putting an article in mainspace after it was declined at AfC, also creating biography articles of living people without adequate referencing (Tim McGeary), also being warned for removing AfD tags from your articles. If you believe you have refs for Neha Pandey, then I strongly recommend using the AfC process. That way, one reviewer will decide if the draft is worthy, rather than wasting the time of many at AfD. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

On further digging, Neha Pandey was recently created as an article (after several failed attempts in the past). It was moved to Draft:Neha Pandey and then deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Deletion tag in an article

Hi, I added deletion tag in this article: Neena Gupta. I believe the notability is lacking for this person. But my deletion tag was deleted. Could someone review this and let me know why? Logically yours... (talk) 07:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You never tagged it for deletion, but rather for notability issues. The tag seems to have served its purpose, as it's drawn other editors to work on the article and possibly fix it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 07:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

How to change a page title

I wanted to create a page for International Institute for Software Testing. It got created but I see the title is https://testinginstitute.com. How do I change the page title? Magdyshanna (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Magdyshanna, welcome to the Teahouse. You created https:/testinginstitute.com. It has been deleted per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A7. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magdyshanna: In general, you can change the title of a page on the english Wikipedia if you have at least 10 edits and have been registered for 4 days by using the page move functionality.

On an unrelated note, Since your article creation history has more failures than sucesses, I would reccomend that you still use the draft namespace to prepear articles until they are ready, and submit them to AfC. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

am reading Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Atrying to understand why it was deleted. The international Institute for Software Testing is the ONLY educational institution in the world authorized to issue education-based certifications in software testing. It is also the world leader in software testing certifications by the statements of the references independent sources. How that not important. I can see pages for other commercial organization, some of the are our competitors, and they are listing unrelated items on the page e.g. TechWell Corporation and International Software Testing Qualifications Board, which have references to self-published sources. Please help me understand why you think this is not important Magdyshanna (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magdyshanna: You have to establish that the subject is notable as Wikipedia defines the term. That means using secondary, independent, reliable sources. Do not use just any other article as a benchmark; if you must, take a look at good or featured articles. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I have used 10 different sources all are independent sources from reputable industry magazines. If the pages lacks the notability criteria, why was it delet6ed rather than being fixed? Magdyshanna (talk) 03:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the admin who deleted it is PrimeHunter. How do I ask him question. I replied to the post. Magdyshanna (talk) 06:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It might have been deleted because the title of the page was mistakenly published as the URL, which I can see a URL is not notable by itself. I just went through all the GNC and this page satisfied this criteria. either restore it or I can create the page with the correct title. Please help me what we need to do more to satisfy notability. Magdyshanna (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

The article Https:/testinginstitute.com was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named 331dot. Have you tried asking 331dot for clarification? Most people answering questions here at the Teahouse aren't administrators and therefore are no longer able to see the content of the article. If you think the article was incorrectly deleted, the best thing to do would be to ask 331dot for clarification. In general, articles about organizations need to satisfy WP:NCORP and this can sometimes be hard because the notability requirements for companies and organizations tend to require that multiple reliable sources showing that significant coverage is provided are needed. Ten sources sounds like a lot, but it's not so much the quantity of the sources cited that matter, but rather the quality. Any information that appears to be too closely connected to the organization itself (e.g. press or media releases/announcements, interviews) might not be considered sufficient to establish notability regardless of whether where the information is published. I can't say for certain because I can't see the article, and the Teahouse isn't really the place to do a detailed assessment of sources (i.e., there's no need to start posting them here). So, once again, you should discuss things with 331dot and explain why you think an error was made. Finally, your last post states Please help me what we need to do more to satisfy notability., but it's not clear who the we is. Are you connected to the International Institute for Software Testing in some way? Are you working on its behalf the create a Wikipedia article about it? If you are (or if you're not sure whether you are), then you should take a careful look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid contribution disclosure for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the great advice. Will do accordingly. Magdyshanna (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry, how to direct a question to 331.dot? I replied to the post about deleting the article but received no response. Magdyshanna (talk) 05:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the admin who deleted it is PrimeHunter. How do I ask him question. I replied to the post Magdyshanna (talk) 06:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

When you click on https:/testinginstitute.com, it takes you to the page where the article used to be. On that page, it gives the date and time the page was deleted, the name of the administrator who deleted the page, and the reason why it was deleted. You can post a message on that adminstrator's user talk page and ask them to clarify why the page was deleted. As long as your post is WP:CIVIL, you should be fine. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? for general reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Magdyshanna I deleted the draft under what is called the "A7" speedy deletion criteria, which means that there was no credible claim of significance of the company described in the article, in other words, it did not show how the company meets WP:ORG, the Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources provided were almost exclusively related to the company, either press releases or the company website. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

moving a draft to article space

I'm trying to move my draft Draft:Da Vinci (magazine) but i'm running into some issues. Mainly the moved page only moves the talk tags and not the content? I've moved it again to draft and it has the same issues Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). WillsEdtior777 (talk) 09:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You probbably accidentially moved the talk page, though this will now need some extensive fixing to reunite Draft:Da Vinci (magazine) with its talkpage, which currently resides at Draft:Da Vinci (magazine).. If one of the admin folks here at the Teahouse is reading this, could you move Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). to Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine), where it belongs? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Admin Deb deleted Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine) to make room for this move. I completed the transaction by have moving Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). to Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine). I hope that fixes the problem. —Wasell^(T) 12:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Victor and Deb and Wasell. I'll re-check next time before i move a page.WillsEdtior777 (talk)

Chemical information

Hello I'm looking for someone named Berek on the Wikipedia to check my chemical information here at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium_-_Neutron_Fusion Gekkotan (talk) 12:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Before you do that, Gekkotan, please remove all the inappropriate capital letters ("Unimageable [sic] Amounts of Energy to Be Released", etc), and rephrase "Some Politicians think its wonderful and it is in most cases" in an (of course referenced) way suitable for an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Deuterium–neutron fusion Moved to draft by another user. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan In my opinion, you have a serious competency-is-required problem. In looking at your contributions to date, I see two drafts that were declined and seven that have not been submitted for review. Your writing consistes of run-on sentences and sentence fragments, and inappropriate word capitalization. Draft:Abell 1836-BCG is an example. The only reason Draft:Cyclone Gombe approaches a valid draft is because other editors have written most of it. I strongly recommend that you stop creating new drafts, then either improve or abandon your existing drafts. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan check out WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan has been editing only since March 2nd. David notMD (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

New article

When can i share my idea of an article to be created — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infotrex (talk • contribs) 13:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Infotrex and welcome to the teahouse! you can create an article yourself actually, see WP:Your first article. if you feel like it may be too hard for you right now, you can shelve it for now and come back to it once you have enough skill, or drop it in WP:Requested articles and someone may be able to make it if they know of it too. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Truth is, Requested articles is pretty much a dead letter site, meaning that article ideas are submitted, but nothing happens. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

That's not entirely true! Sometimes I go through and remove the obviously-not-going-to-happen ones (i.e. the repeated request for Chris-Chan under various titles which has been discussed far beyond extensively) casualdejekyll 02:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Shortcut on MOS

I recently posted an update per a lengthy MOS talkpage discussion, but I realized that I actually do not know how to get a proper "shortcut" to actually link back to an article or section. Can someone please help me to "fix" this shortcut listed here as MOS:SPACEBENEATH. This is listed or referred to in two sections:

1. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Spacing beneath heading and 2. Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings

You will notice that the 'SPACEBENEATH' shortcut link is redlinked (not working) in both cases. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Th78blue! I believe shortcuts are just redirects, you just probably need to make a redirect at MOS:SPACEBENEATH like #REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Spacing beneath heading]] to get it to work. although there's the problem of where you want the shortcut to redirect to, as you can only redirect to one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, so I tried that just now to hit the "create redirect" button, and entered this text, #REDIRECT MOS:SPACEBENEATH and it failed me. If I have to choose only one, I want MOS:SPACEBENEATH to redirect to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings. Any further help in getting this to work would be appreciated! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: I've created the shortcut for you just to help you out here. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 13:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate that! I'll still want to learn what I was doing wrong, but I appreciate a quick fix in the meantime too. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

To put it into just a few words: A shortcut is exactly like any other redirect, which is like any other page on the wiki. To make a redirect, you just add that bit of code on the page you want to redirect from to point it toward the page you want to redirect to. In this case, that meant creating MOS:SPACEBENEATH with the content #REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#MOS:SPACEBENEATH]] (along with the {{R from shortcut}} tag just to categorize it), which linked to the specific paragraph where the {{Shortcut}} tag was added on the MoS page. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

copyright

Someone randomly changed the work I did when I was in the middle of editing

Someone said some text was copyrighted. Copyright is usually the whole artwork or work, not a piece or portion of the text. Are there any copyright experts or anywhere else to get this fixed?  Morefactswiki (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Morefactswiki: Please only seek one method of getting assistance at one time. Asking in multiple places annoys people because it is likely wasted effort. (For those who see this, this is also at WP:HD#Copyright). Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy note: user is now blocked. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 15:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Poor attitude and complete inability to read and understand information provided by others. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Addition to Julien Binford history

His papers are currently held in the Virginia museum of fine arts archive. What topic should the information go under? Finecreek (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Finecreek. A possibility would be to create a "Legacy" section that would list museums that hold his paintings and the locations of his existing murals. This article, for example, discusses efforts to save some of his murals. Archiving of his papers could be added as well. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear, Team Why did you decline the page I created?

Dear, Team Why did you decline the page I created? Mytom3 (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Anshuman Tiwari (musician). The draft was declined by a reviewer. Reasons given in the decline notice. The reviewer's name is on the review, so you could ask that person on their Talk page. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to function as reviewers. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mytom3: Hello Mytom3, Welcome to Wikipedia! Your page was declined because your page does not have reliable sources. It means that there should be significant coverage about the person in reliable sources. You should add those references in your page. You can search on Google to find more references about him, than add them in article. I suggest you to read WP:General notability guidelines. Thank you. Happy editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IconEditorMaster (talk • contribs)

More to the point, there is an additional set of guidelines for musicians (see WP:MUSIC). And the image of Anshuman is about to be deleted, as it was taken from his website, wich is copyright protected. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Mytom3 - If I had been the reviewer, I would have declined Draft:Anshuman Tiwari (musician). Please do not annoy multiple editors by asking them for guidance. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

AfC for Captain Robert Hicks has been rejected by one reviewer

If anyone is able to assist me in saving this article from its current "rejected" status, would they be kind enough to do so here: [[3]]? - I find it difficult to be in two places at once! Would a change of title, making the article about the Hicks family, be more acceptable than being focussed on Robert Hicks? Anne (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no amount of assistance is going to make the subject (or their family) notable enough to become the subject of a Wikipedia article. You have already been given very good advice.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Per this comment, also see WP:OVERCOME. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Captain Robert Hicks, North Carolina Militia

Anne None of the information in the draft suggests that the Hicks family as such would be Wikipedia-notable. As for this being about Robert, that would mean removing all content not directly about Robert and seeing what was left. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Promoting all presidents to good article status

I would like to work towards getting all the presidents to at least good article status. I was wondering if someone can evaluate all the presidents articles that are not good or featured articles on what their issues are and figure out which articles will be easy to work on and which articles will need a lot of work before reaching featured article status. Interstellarity (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd recommend you check out the US Presidents Wikiproject, which is intended to organize work on those articles. I'm not sure how active that project is, but it does have some tables to overview the current state of those articles. It takes some work to evaluate an article, so it might be best to choose one to focus on and ask specifically about it.--Noren (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

There are lots of articles about presidents and most of them probably have banners for WikiProjects on the tops of their user talk pages; so, that might be a good place to start. You’re also probably going to need to be clearer about which type of articles you asking for help on. Are you talking about biographies about individual presidents of countries, organizations, institutions or companies? Are you talking about more general articles about the office of president, or list articles about the president of certain countries? The word “president” might mean different things to different people. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: To be clear, I am talking about the biographies of the individual presidents who served as president. Interstellarity (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Interstellarity - I think you missed the point of the question in giving an American-centric answer in an international Anglophone community. There are approximately 200 countries in the world, and I would guess that more than half of them each have an office of president, where the others either are monarchies or have some alternate governmental system. There have been hundreds, maybe a few thousand, individuals who have served as president of a republic. You were being asked whether you meant President of the United States, current heads of state, or what. This is an international encyclopedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin are just two newsworthy examples of the "individual presidents who served as president". Although both articles look very good to my inexpert eye, neither is "good" (let alone "featured"), and I think you'd have your hands full getting either promoted. -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: To be even more clear, I have no interest in promoting those articles to good article status. What I would like to do is focus on the US presidents. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Your best bet, in my opinion, is to discuss what you want to do with the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Presidents (as suggested above by Noren) because that's where you're likely to find editors familiar with these articles and interested in helping you. Check out WP:POTUS#Task 1 because that seems to be one of primary goals of that WikiProject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity Interesting proposal. Per WP:POTUS#Task 1, 30 of 45 U.S. Presidents' articles are currently either GA or FA. Of the other 15, most are either Failed nominations (examples Kennedy, LBJ) or Delisted former GA or FA (examples Jefferson, Ford). Appears only Buchanan (C-class) and Hoover (C-class) have never been nominated. The article on President Obama achieved FA in 2004, was reviewed and kept 11 times, then reviewed and demoted in 2021. David notMD (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity, making U.S. presidents a good topic is a monumental, frankly unrealistic goal. I would start by looking a little smaller—check out the FARs for the delisted FAs and see if any of them have low-hanging fruit that'd let you get them back up at least to GA. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with Sdkb. MarchJuly pointed out that there are editors who have already been active on U.S. President articles. The Delisted list (former FA or GA): Jefferson, T Roosevelt, Ford, Bush (senior), Obama, Biden. The failed nomination list: Monroe, JQ Adams, Buren, Trump. Or else first tackle the two never-nominated: Buchanan and Hoover. My own multi-year task has been to raise all vitamin articles to GA. Out of 13, 9 are now GA and one Vitamin A nominated and awaiting a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of FAR - one suggestion of a US President article where there is discussion and a current, detailed review: the current FAR discussion for William Henry Harrison. While that article is currently Featured, it's in danger of losing that status and could use help- which arguably has just as much practical importance as getting a new article promoted. --Noren (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

edit and update a wikkipedia page

Good day, i edited and updated a wikipedia page but it was reversed, how can i have it approved and unreversed? Markegwu (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Markegwu: As noted in the message on your talk page, you are trying to delete a lot from the article with no explanation. Please discuss it on that article's talk page. Don't edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

thanks, how do i get to the artcles talk page? Markegwu (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Dave_Umahi RudolfRed (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Markegwu. The first thing you should do is check the page history of the article in question and see if the editor who undid your changes left an edit summary explaining why. The edit summary might contain a list of relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines that applied to your edit (sometimes this includes links (i.e. words indicated in blue) where you can find more specific information. If you find an edit summary and don't understand what it means, then you can start a discussion about the edit you made on the article's talk page as explained here. If you're not sure how to use an article talk page, you can find out more information on that here. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project and often there are disagreements between editors about what content should be added to articles and what content should be removed. When that happens, the best way to try and resolve things is through discussion to see if a consensus can be established either way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

external links

Hi my question is that how I can add external links Fashijanjua (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

External links must not be to company websites, as that is considered promotional. You have attempted to add metsolar to three articles. That is considered attempted spamming, and can get you indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 00:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

if i want to add this website then Fashijanjua (talk) 00:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

You can see the guidance at WP:ELNO. RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

 92.45.19.32 (talk) 00:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, a company website can be an extenal link only if the article is about the company. Same for people. David notMD (talk) 00:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How to become a host in Teahouse

Can you tell me how to become a host on Teahouse? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:5C17:7652:27D9:A01F (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Becoming a host at the teahouse requires you to be extended confirmed, which additionally requires you first to create an account (which has many other benefits) and have 500 edits + 30 days of editing casualdejekyll 03:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course, the title of "host" confers no privileges or authority; it's generally given to users who are regulars and give helpful answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The most important factor, by far, is to consistently give accurate, informative and friendly answers at the Teahouse. I agree with Casualdejekyll that, if you want to become a "Teahouse regular", that it would be advisable to create an account. Cullen328 (talk) 06:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

My question on the Draft: Open: A Boy's Wayang Adventure

Hi, this is an editor Meiwuzhang. I want to ask tgis wuestion, if a book has almost bo reviews from a newpaper, is it possible to have reviews from a magizine? 151.192.141.108 (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Meiwuzhang, books are reviewed in various places, so it's certainly possible a book not reviewed in any newspapers would be reviewed in a magazine. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meiwuzhang (talk • contribs) 05:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Meiwuzhang. The format of the publication, namely whether it is a newspaper or a magazine or an online source is not important. What matters is whether or not the source qualifies as a reliable source. When it comes to book reviews, reviews written by professional journalistic critics or academics carried in a respected general circulation publication will carry more weight than an amateur review in a small local publication. Cullen328 (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Noted, I can resubmit my draft now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meiwuzhang (talk • contribs) 05:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

verify my article

Shadeen Anglin plz verify AhmdAsjad (talk) 06:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Forum-shopping won't help. You've received the same responces on IRC, the AfD, and now here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 06:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Kanmani_Pappa

Draft:Kanmani Pappa plz review it and movie AhmdAsjad (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

AhmdAsjad you had a notice of paid editing for Kanmani Pappa but have now removed it. Why? If you are paid then you need to declare this or your editing privileges will be taken away. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

To date, you have attempted to create eleven articles. Are you a paid editor for all? You declared paid for only two, then reverted one. Status: one existng article, four closed AfDs, one article at Proposed deletion, two articles Speedy deleted, one article currently at AfD and two drafts. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which Twinkle warning?

I want to warn this person using Twinkle. Which warning fits their behavior? lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Lol1VNIO and welcome to the teahouse! I really don't think Big forehead really fits the category of libel, doesn't really harm their reputation. maybe just typical disruptive editing or vandalism? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding images of stamps to articles

Dear All One of the ways I would like to edit and add content to the Wikipedia is y adding good quality images of stamps. Sometimes they add details or a visual reference where no photography is available. they also, are a part of culture and history. I am reading the guidelines but caanot find a way to address this question. Let's say I want to add the jpeg of a stamp to this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_C.II

You can read at the article that this aircraft was used also by hungarians. There is already a picture of the austro-hungarian plane. On 1968, the Magyar Posta (Post office of Hungary) made a stamp of this same plane. I add a link to the image, (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/moscow-russia-july-postage-stamp-printed-hungary-shows-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-236719531.jpg) I must say that I own a copy of the stamp and will scan it in high resolution, etc...

Where do you think that this image can be added at the article? I don't see the place to add another image and the article is perfectly edited. Can you point me where I can find the guidelines for adding more images, like stamps? I have a HUGE collection, maybe when we speak about flowers and animals this depictions can be of some value, in any case, they are an art expression, from my point of view.

Some help? Thanks in advance. Tmg-pmi (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I did this for one article years ago and my addition of a photograph of a U.S. stamp was reverted as a copyright infringement. On the other hand, if I go to Commons and search on the word "stamp" there are literally hundreds of thousands of images. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The copyright rules for stamps vary country-by-country and by age of the stamp. Hence it gets complicated. The index page for all this is on Commons at c:Commons:Stamps. Please make sure, Tmg-pmi that you have read the relevant rules carefully before you upload any images to Commons, or you may be wasting your own time and that of others who have to delete images that don't have the appropriate license. In general, Hungarian stamps are probably not in the public domain. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WP have dark mode?

If have, how to activate it? Success think (talk) 11:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Success think! Yes, Wikipedia does have a Dark Mode option. You need to switch it on in preferences first so that the Dark Mode will appear at the top of your page to toggle on or off. Detailed instructions for this are on this page here. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Accessing old TP’s

Hi... anyone please, how can I access old talk/archive pages? At the moment I’m only able to read/open up Active Discussions... but for older discussions I can’t seem to get? Can anyone suggest anything?

I using Iphone-6plus with Safari browser if that makes any difference? Thank you in advance. 81.108.244.153 (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 81.108.244.153. Check the top of the article talk page to see whether there are links to its archives. For example, if you look at the top of Wikipedia talk:Teahouse, you'll see a search window and an index for previously archived pages. There are various ways for a talk page to be archived, but usually all of them involve some kind of index at the top of the current version of the page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Soccer ( Football ) museums and Halls of Fames in the world List_of_sports_museums_and_halls_of_fame_in_Australia

we have in Western Australia the Football Hall of Fame Western Australia which was established in 1996 to preserve the history and memorabilia of soccer / football in Western Australia and we hope to establish a museum this year for that sole purpose , which we believe will be the only dedicated soccer / football museum in Australia So I was asking how we get to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia please Thank you, for your time Elizabeth Re President Football Hall of Fame Western Australia 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (talk) 12:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (aka Elizabeth). What you should do it go to the article's talk page at Talk:List of sports museums and halls of fame in Australia and make an edit request. At the top of the talk page, you'll see a tab called "New section". Click on it and a window will open when you can post your request. Follow the instructions given here and post your request. Generally, it's a good idea to use the template Template:Request edit for such requests and there are instructions on how to use the template found on its documentation page. Once you've added your request, click on "Show preview" to make sure things look OK. If they do, click on "Publish changes" and your request will be posted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Elizabeth, and Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, I'm going to disagree somewhat with Marchjuly. While you could indeed do what Marchjuly says, I would reject such a request unless you can adduce the independent reliable sources required to establish that your Hall of Fame and Museum meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Another way of putting this is that the answer to your question "how we get to to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia" is "You don't. Wikipedia is not here to advertise your endeavour, however laudable it may be. If it meets the criteria for notability, then we could have an article on it (and it could be mentioned in the list); but such an article would not belong to you, not be controlled by you, and would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say". ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Confusion in shortlisting reliable sources in fintech for citation regarding

I am trying to edit the page about fintech. When I google the term and go through the articles. They all seem to have some valid point or the other. However, most are blogs or articles written by people in the field. As you know fintech is a recent phenomenon, and not all the sides are covered in respectable publications. Moreover, some of the publications like New York Times are subscription based.

How do I go about finding reliable sources for the edits that I want to make? Please help.

If I did, that will be my very first edit on Wikipedia. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mvsudhakaran. If you're a newcomer here, I'd advise starting slowly. Looking at Financial technology, specifically as it is now, the article could do with some clean-up before more gets added. For example, citations 11,12, and 13 are all to the same source so WP:Named references should be used to consolidate them. Using subscription-based citations are fine (#10 is just that currently) and obviously it helps if you personally have access to the publications you want to use. Citations are there to ensure that statements in articles can be verified by readers but we don't insist that all readers have easy access to all sources. If there's something you want to add but are unsure about, then use the Talk Page of the relevant article, e.g. Talk:Financial technology, to discuss the issue with other editors first. WP:RSPS is a help page for sources generally considered reliable. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. I will paraphrase my understanding of your thoughtful suggestion.

I will go to the Talk Page and flesh out the content I want to include in the page. Then, I will get the help of other editors to take it forward.

I think that should work. Thanks for the tip. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

New Here

Hello Everyone,

I am new to Wikipedia, and I submitted a biography about two weeks a go. It's called Dr.Foz; but now I cant access it; I get this Redirect message every time and I don't know what to do to get access to the draft. I'm just wondering when is it gonna be published on the internet?

thank you,

Shaimaa

Shaimaa2 (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Shaimaa2! The Draft still exists, here, it appears to have been renamed by Dan arndt so perhaps that is why you're having problems finding it. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shaaimaa2, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your article has been moved to draft space, and renamed Draft:Fawzzeyyah Zeid Al-Durai by Dan arndt, who has regrettably not left you a message anywhere explaining why. Looking through the references quickly, it looks as if many of them do not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and conatining WP:significant coverage of the subject. Please have a look at WP:NBIO for information about the sourcing required.

The fact is that creating a new article is much much much more difficult than most people realise, and if people try to create an article as the first thing, or almost the first thing, that they do in editing Wikipedia, they usually have a frustrating time. Your attempt is not bad as regards its formatting, but I'm afraid that you haven't yet understood the requirements of sourcing. My advice would be to leave the draft aside for a few months, while you work on existing articles, and leqarn about sourcing. (The draft may get deleted after six months if you do nothing to it, but you can continue to improve it from time to time as you come to understand what is needed). ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Approval

I'm freshman on Wikipedia. Can you tell me how I'm able to know that the article I created is approved or not? Is there any sign on the article page? Or I must wait some kind of notification letter.

Thanks in advance. Kamron99 (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kamron99: It is already in article space, but I see that from the deletion log at Draft:Kateryna Gornostai, Explicit deleted the draft on 27 February on grounds of deletion criterion G7, while Kateryna Gornostai was created in article space on the 26.
@Robert McClenon: Has there been any substantial change between the draft and this article? As I don't have a draft to compare it to, I'm contemplating moving this into draftspace if there isn't any. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Tenryuu - I didn't see the draft. At least, I don't think I saw the draft. I do see that User:Kamron99 corrected the omission of articles, which was the reason for my tagging it for copy-edit. I also see that User:Kamron99 reverted edits by User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång, and am not sure why they did that. I don't understand the original question by the original poster, who asks about approval. Are they asking whether the article has been reviewed, so that it will be indexed? If so, why? That question is usually asked with regard to search engine optimization. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I saw that the draft and the article were more or less the same, and left a message for User:Kamron99 that it is not necessary to create the same article in both draft space and article space. I can't be sure about details, because the draft was then deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why move Kateryna Gornostai to draftspace? David notMD (talk) 16:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

As much as I would like to assume good faith, the timing of creating the subject in mainspace versus when it was deleted seems a little too coincidental. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

What I have difficulty assuming good faith about is an editor asking about whether an article has been "approved" when it is already in article space, because that usually means they are interested in search engine rankings. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

My best guess is that the creating author started with a draft, then decided to move the content to mainspace on 26 Feb, then realized the draft still existed, so author-requested the draft be deleted on 27 Feb. If the article is not mainspace worthy, then move it to draft, but if the only problem is you do not know what happened, I suggest you query the article creator. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which is the reason I'm querying. Newcomers skipping the AfC process tends to raise a few eyebrows. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The use of the AFC process is optional. I do not ask questions about why new editors skip the AFC process, which is slow. However, I do ask questions about why new editors ask about reviewing and indexing, and I ask questions about why an editor would request that a draft be deleted when there is an article. User:Kamron99 - What exactly are you asking about the article, and why are you asking? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Kamron99 You are being asked to comment here. David notMD (talk) 18:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, well, This editor came and first edited on 19 February, and edited through 1 March, including a draft and an article on Kateryna Gornostai. They then made one edit, on 13 March, to ask this question, and didn't stay around for the answer. Well, well. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Time zone

Is there a way to account for US daylight savings using {{current time}} and possibly some parser functions?

Example: to have UTC-08:00 switch to UTC-07:00 in March then back to UTC-08:00 in November. Thanks. (I'm using {{infobox Wikipedia user}} if it helps) Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 17:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rusty4321 Welcome to the Teahouse. Personally, I find making two additional edits a year isn't much of an issue, but would {{Template:CurrentTimeIn}} suit your needs? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Can an (auto)confirmed user on the Hebrew Wikipedia please nominate this page for AfD?

(Sorry if this is not the place to ask, as I don't know where to ask on the Hebrew wiki)

FYI

 – autoconfirmed requires 100 edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia

he:מיקמק has a singular source, and I think it should be deleted, but I can't add the AfD template, as it's semi-protected.

Additionaly, the previous deletion "discussions" were mainly either just votes, "I like it", "It's popular", or "It's Israeli". I think it should have a proper discussion. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: If you need help with the Hebrew Wikipedia, ask there. This is the link to that Wiki's help desk: [4] RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, each Wikipedia sets its own rules for deletion. We don't count "votes" here on EN Wikipedia, but the rules at HE Wikipedia may be different. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Edits being deleted

Hello, I was recently editing the most recent episodes of "Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend" and after I completed the edits, all the section for episodes airing in 2022 was deleted and I'm not sure why if I've been editing the episodes for several months and this is the first time this happens. Any ideas of what could be the problem? Thanks! 189.207.39.74 (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In looking at the edit history, you had one edit where you removed your own edit. Perhaps this was unintentional? 331dot (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

It was, as I thought I could just redo the text that was deleted from the previous version, but it didn't work... what I don't get is why the whole section of episodes aired in 2022 gets deleted instead of just the portion that I added? 189.207.39.74 (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I reverted your second attempt, as that also made the pre-existing 2022 information invisible. Maybe someone else can detect the error. David notMD (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA PAGE

Hello, I am a musical artist and i wanted to get a wikepedia page about me, what method do u propose ? 41.200.214.141 (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Make an account and on your talk page site your works. You can edit your talk pages at any time if you are using the same type of pc as me you can go to the top of your page and click edit DMPenguin (talk) 20:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

DMPenguin's suggestion isn't helpful. The reality is that you ideally should have zero control over what an article says about you, and having a Wikipedia article is something many later come to see as a problem. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Wikipedia does not have "pages", it has articles, typically written by independent editors unconnected with the subject, in which they summarize what independent reliable sources say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- for musicians that is written at WP:BAND. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, to add to what my friend and colleague 331dot has already explained to you, please you may find reading WP:FAMOUS to be quite helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

If you tell us your name, we can look for independent sources that have written about you and your work, and tell you whether or not we feel you meet our notability criteria for having an article about you here. See WP:NMUSIC for those criteria. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:AUTO, as Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not attempt to create an article about themselves. David notMD (talk) 05:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Kentucky records

On the list of sec basketball championship records the info about Kentucky is in gross error. 2601:840:8600:81C0:787F:92BB:BFBC:F6A7 (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct comments about a specific article to its associated talk page; all articles have a talk page associated with them to discuss any issues related to that article. For example, the talk page for Joe Biden is located at Talk:Joe Biden. If you are using the full desktop version of Wikipedia, there is a link to the talk page at the top of every article.(I don't know how to access it in the mobile version off the top of my head, but others here do). 331dot (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why does /t_S/ and /k/ sound alike? And why is it frequently switched with another? e.g. chicken and kitchen.

Nothing to say here. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@IloveUveryMuch: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think this question will get better answers at the language reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Byte amount

How do you see the amount of bytes in a page? Oixyplanet (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet: Use the "Page information" link in the left sidebar. RudolfRed (talk) 00:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Flickr image

Can we upload image flickr image of Whitehead's Broadbill even thou the license is still "All rights reserved" and the author has given me permission at the image's comment section to use it? 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 01:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the exact license that it has. Please link the image you are asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

This [5]. 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! the image can be uploaded if the uploader officially changes the file's license to something like creative commons, since it's still currently all rights reserved. see WP:IMAGE for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Bascially, the copyright holder of the image needs to do something like this. If they want to do that, then great. If not, there's no way for the license to be uploaded for use on Wikipedia. However, make sure they understand that once they release the work on an acceptable Flickr license and it's uploaded to Commons, they can't really change their mind at a later date. They're not really transfering their copyright ownerships to another person, but rather just releasing their work under a license that makes it much easier for others to use. As long as, the reusers comply with the terms of the license, they can continue to use the file without needing to ask for additional permission as explained here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Article Help

I am currently creating a article about Swissôtel Clark, a newly opened hotel in Clark, Philippines. The problem is, the hotel is part of a resort complex which includes a hotel (Marriott Clark), a casino complex (Hann Casino Resort), and a planned hotel to open in 2023 (Mercure Clark). Can the article about Swissôtel Clark be a standalone article or should it be part of an article about the resort complex? Thank you. Article draft link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ShiriEdits/sandbox ShiriEdits^Talk 01:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ShiriEdits. The answer is, No, not until several people unconnected with the hotel or the resort have chosen to write articles about it. The four links below are all saying what the hotel's proprietors want to say. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

References

wiki page not approved

May I know the issue why my submission Got declined Ezone tech (talk) 02:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ezone tech: Look at the talk page messages at User_talk:Ezone_tech for an explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy Draft:SwifDoo. Ezone tech All of the refs are to the Swifdoo website. Wikipedia requires that content be verified by refs that are independent of the company. See WP:CORP for other guidelines. David notMD (talk) 06:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I get the article below approved?

Hello guys, I would like to know how to get the article below approved. It's be sometime now. Thank you.

Draft:Today News Africa Thewashingtonimmigrant (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thewashingtonimmigrant! As the message on the draft says:

This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order.

As of whenever you're reading this, there are currently 2,826 submissions waiting to be reviewed, so it could take some time. Just be patient and someone will have a look eventually! Bsoyka (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tell this guy to stop

User:Ripomobo11 without a break reverting sourced material from MS Dhoni. Dhoni receives money from playing cricket in Indian premier league means he's a professional cricketer. But this user writing in lead that he's former profesional Cricketer. You have to do something about it. This user looks incompetent to write here, but still doing these things even other users warned him on his talk page. Success think (talk) 03:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page: Talk:MS Dhoni and invite the other editor to participate. Hopefully you'll come to some consensus, and then you can tackle all the other issues with the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia interested in reality anymore?

So far, I see that Wikipedia is perpetuating a situation in which people all over Earth literally lost touch with reality because people using Allied Command titles were re-writing stuff in High Command style. Y'all have a system of denial of the startling reconciliation of religious warfare that emanated from Humboldt while Microsoft's attempted takeover of Earth using Earth's leaders as hostages and betraying the USA. You still appear to be in denial that God and I are real people charged with the responsibility of preserving history accurately and resolving large-scale problems. Is it worth our time to help y'all return to reality, or will you just keep deleting crucial descriptions of societal patterns? Thank y'all, I still believe in Wikipedia--it was once great.--. Mydearpeople (talk) 06:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. If you can find reliable published sources to support your content that would be the way forward. Theroadislong (talk) 07:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

For the curious: The Mydearpeople account was started 1 March 2022, and made two edits, both to Talk:Earth, both reverted as not being relevant to the topic, and two nonsensical requests to reduce page protection, also reverted. David notMD (talk) 07:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Checking your edits, Mydearpeople, WP:NOTAFORUM seems relevant. Use your social media instead. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Asker appears to be WP:NOTHERE. Just to remind you, Mydearpeople, we're here primarily to build an encyclopedia. If you're only here to "right great wrongs" or whatever, that's not going to fly. casualdejekyll 12:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Review Sanjeev Tyagi.

Please review the Draft:Sanjeev_Tyagi and let us know the problems with the article so that we can remove them and resubmit it. Columbidae5 (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thi draft was Declined and then Rejected ten months ago, and that was after a mainspace article about Tyagi went through AfD and was Deleted (look at that for reasons). Most of the refs confirm roles he has played. NONE of that contributes to establishing notability. What is missing are content and refs to articles published about him in reliable source refs. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request Declined

Hi, I'm working on the Taiwan+ page via the article's talk page as I have a COI (disclosed on my profile). I've been working to supplement the article's talk page with secondary sources that support that the information is verifiable and has clear evidence of significance. I tagged the edits under the request edit template, but when I navigated to the COI noticeboard I noticed that edit request is listed as Declined. I'm wondering if it's possible to see why the request has been denied, and generally how to attract the attention of more experienced editors to the page. For example, I have several Mandarin-language sources listed that I don't know how to get the attention of a bilingual editor about. I was also wondering if COI editors are able to add photos to a page, like the addition of a company logo, and where I might find info to help with that process if it's permissible. Thanks! Rchouman (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rchouman. When a edit request is declined, the editor who reviewed the request usually leaves an explanation as to why and then marks the request as answered. Your request was declined by an editor named Bilorv and the reason why Bilorv declined the request is given here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rchouman: your first edit request was partially implemented by me, as you read and responded to. If you have another specific change you are suggesting ("Add this source accompanied by the following sentence: ___", but not "Can somebody find and add more sources about X?"), then you can make a new edit request. If you make an edit request as normal with Mandarin-language sources, somebody with sufficient expertise should come along and answer it eventually, and there's not necessarily a way to speed up that process. Volunteers patrol the list of edit requests according to their own interests or areas of knowledge; there is no order to the queue or fixed time in which a request will be answered. For questions like that of the company logo, you could leave a message at the Teahouse itself, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment (depending on how specialised the query is). — Bilorv (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

how to use reference link

how to add reference link in biography example:Hina Khan at Bollywood Hungama Publiconline123 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Publiconline123 Try WP:TUTORIAL. WP:BLP may also be helpful to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone explain this: Cite error: The named reference ":1" was defined multiple times with different content .

Hello, can someone please explain this error and how to fix it? thank you, Rymknows23 (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rymknows23. Try looking at WP:REFNAME and H:CERDK because I believe they cover the problem you're having. Basically, somewhere in the article there are two or more citations defined as "<ref name=:1>citation information</ref>" and the software is confused about which one to refer to when the reference is subsequently invoked using the syntax "<ref name=:1 />" at other locations throughout the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, to simplify what Marchjuly said, somewhere in the article you have <ref name=:1>A</ref> and <ref name=:1>B</ref> and the software Wikipedia runs on is confused as to which one is meant to be <ref name=:1> . You can fix it by figuring out which ref the ref name is meant to belong to and removing the name=:1 from the other which will just change it to a ref. If you're trying to use different refs for ref names then you can simply just give one of them a different ref name. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That's one of the reasons that the advice at WP:REFNAME suggests it is bad practice to use names that are simple colon+number (and number alone won't work). Editors are supposed to use names that have some relevance to the content of the citation, so it is less likely that someone else will accidentally choose the same name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Most likely, Rymknows23 did not introduce such reference names as :1, :2, ... themselves, but rather used the visual editor which creates such reference names. Unless we ask them to switch to source editing, there is nothing they can do about it. (As much as I hate visual editor, I must admit it is more newbie-friendly.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the ref error (which I have fixed) was slightly different. At Draft:FoodBeeper. ref name=":1" was used twice with intent to identify the same ref, but there was a typo in the second ref text. I changed the name at the first usage to "Boueche" and used the / method for the second usage. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

David notMD (talk), thank you so much for fixing the problem. ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Details for References in Sources?

In the article "Edmund Gurney" the entry "Hall 1964" appears in the References many times, but that is the full extent of the detail there. The section "Sources" contains the entry "Hall, Trevor H. (1964). The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney...". Is it supposed to be self-evident that they are the same thing? It would be nice if this was made more explicit somewhere. The entry "Hall 1964" is a link, so I clicked it in the hope of getting such confirmation, but up came another opening of the "Edmund Gurney" article I was already reading! This is utterly pointless. Can something be changed so that clicking the "Hall 1964" entry does go to the detailed entry in the Sources? Thanks. 61.68.250.211 (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! yes, the reference does refer to the book The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney, which the source link already redirects to. if I'm correct it's a physical book instead of the usual webpage link and the individual references are referring to pages of said book (for example Hall 1964 p. 27 refers to page 27 of said book). happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

When you say "which the source link already redirects to", do you mean that if I click any of the "Hall 1964" entries (which ARE blue links) in the References section, it IS supposed to display or lead to the full-length entry in the Sources section? (The second of the three entries there, which for me is entirely white and not a link AFAICT.) That is not what happens for me - I am viewing on a Galaxy tablet, not a PC. Could that be making the difference? 61.68.250.211 (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That isn't a limitation of the device that you are using to read Wikipedia. It behaves the same on a Windows device. It is supposed to be self-evident that "Hall 1964" is a short notation for "Hall, Trevor H. (1964). The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney...", and that that is a printed book. There probably isn't any information available on the web. Wikipedia requires that information in articles be verifiable, and it is, by finding the book in a library, or buying the book second-hand via Amazon or eBay. If Wikipedia required that all references be web links, that would exclude the ability to list information such as this that is found only in printed books. The source is a printed book that may not exist online. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I am not asking that the reference itself should be on the web; I can see that it is a book. I am asking (perhaps only wishing) that the short-form entries in the References "Hall 1964" when clicked should lead to, or display, their long-form entries in the Sources section (totally within WP). The system already does seem to be trying to do this, but it only opens the TOP of the same article over again, when it should at least be going down to the Sources section, and preferably be displaying only the text of the relevant entry. It is this action that I feel may be deficient on a tablet. 61.68.250.211 (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you not seeing Hall 1964 in §References as a link? When I click on them, they take me to §Sources and highlight the Hall source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

For me, both in the Firefox browser, and in the Android Wikipedia app, if I pick (eg) reference 21, it takes me to the top of the "Sources" section". On Firefox it highlights the particular source, as Tenryuu says. In the app, it offers me a new page, but when I go it it, it opens at the Sources section. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a html doctor in the house?

I'm sure I am making a really silly error with this syntax but as I don't speak HTML, I can't see what it is:

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in [[Trebuchet MS]]), an uppercase {{angbr|i}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font: Arial, Helvetica;">I</span> is indistinguishable from a lowercase {{angbr|L}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font: Arial, Helvetica;">l</span>.

which produces

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in Trebuchet MS), an uppercase ⟨i⟩ I is indistinguishable from a lowercase ⟨L⟩ l.

— Letter (alphabet)#Typeface and font

In my preferences, my Wikipedia settings font is Trebuchet (for exactly this reason) so I can see that the result is not a straight l, not Arial or Helvtica, so it is not working as expected. I have also tried font: Arial, Helvetica, that doesn't work either. (Most of the rest of the markup is stolen from {{char}}.) Could someone point out the error of my ways? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Welcome to the Teahouse. Out of curiosity, have you tried font-family instead of font, and limited it to either Arial or Helvetica? I'm using the default font so I can't see any particular difference save for the background padding you've added. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone please tell me how to fix this: Orphaned non-free image File:Foodbeeper.png

I received this recently and I don't get what it means. Also I can't upload the image however I tried. I would appreciate it if someone could help me in this. Thank you, ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)