Talk:Kevin McCarthy

Reputation in Congress

These comments, made by fellow Republican congressman Justin Amash, are relevant to the article as they convey McCarthy’s reputation within Congress. But I will post them here prior to editing the article in case someone is able to point out a credible reason to exclude this information.

"I met a lot of duplicitous people in Congress but none more conniving and fundamentally dishonest than Kevin McCarthy. He will say or do whatever he thinks is necessary at a particular moment to obtain or maintain power."

https://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-kevin-mccarthy-conniving-and-fundamentally-dishonest-2022-4 Harmlesshumanist (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The comments of one former member, especially given his particular history with the Republican Party, is WP:UNDUE weight. We would need much more than one comment from one representative who switched to a third party to properly assess his "reputation". – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Muboshgu, this falls under WP:BLP protections specifically WP:REDFLAG. Eruditess (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Kevin McCarthy.. There is a consensus that this subject is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Kevin McCarthy (California politician) → Kevin McCarthy (politician) – The House Minority Leader is the clear primary topic for the politician, even if it is not the primary topic for the person. Interstellarity (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong oppose obviously. @Interstellarity: do you understand how WP:PRIMARYTOPIC works? We have three Kevin McCarthy (California politician) Kevin McCarthy (Iowa politician) and Kevin A. McCarthy so we cannot have a Primary Topic with a dab. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per In ictu oculi. the form "Kevin McCarthy (politician)" is indeed incomplete disambiguation and should redirect, as it currently does, to the Kevin McCarthy#Politicians disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Kevin McCarthy as the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. He's had 80% or more of the pageviews for a while now, and it's only heading up with his likely election as Speaker. Move the dab page to Kevin McCarthy (disambiguation). - Station1 (talk) 22:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Stand alone primary, this Kevin McCarthy has been the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives for years, and now is poised to be Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Yes, per Station, the page views show that he is primary and that seems long lasting, putting a DAB page together and making this page primary seems the logical solution to this RM. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• Primary We've had three previous RMs where the suggested target was Kevin McCarthy. Why this proposal goes backwards to the incomplete disambiguation I cannot understand. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• If this page moves to primary then the actor should gain first spot in a hatnote, followed by the dab page. The classical and popular actor should also feature more prominently and higher on the dab page. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• Primary per others { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 04:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:RECENTISM. Shwcz (talk) 04:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The status quo is fine and unambiguous. And not primary given the notability of the actor. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• This page has averaged 3,414 views a day over the last 90 days (rising now per events) and the notable actor averaged 560 over the last 90 days. Primary for this page seems obvious, even though the actor has a deserved following long after his death. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• As we all know, pageviews are not the be all and end all of notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• They account for half (or maybe less, depending on how an editor weighs historical long-term significance. Pretty definitive page views though, no?). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

It's one of many markers though. The WP:GHITS are 1.1 million for "Kevin McCarthy actor" and 9.7 million for "Kevin McCarthy politician". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

That is pure WP:RECENTISM. Someone currently active, especially in politics, entertainment or sport, is almost always going to beat someone who is not on ghits and pageviews. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe Recentism worked in the 2015 renaming attempt, and for a few years after that. Now, not so much. Speaker of the House in the U.S. (although that's WP:CRYSTAL for now, maybe this should wait to be moved after the January House leadership election and swearing in) ain't beanbag, as the politicans say. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Neither is Secretary of State for Defence in the UK, but Mr Wallace has to compete with a basketball player! Being a politician holding an important post doesn't necessarily mean you beat everyone else on notability. I must say that I have never heard of the House minority leader, but I have heard of the actor. And yes, I'm aware that personal experience is irrelevant, but it does show that notability is not universal in other countries just because someone is a well-known politician in one country. It usually is the case with heads of state and government of major countries, but not necessarily with those lower down the pecking order. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom, he's clearly PRIMARY at least for politicians.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• I support the proposal by Randy Kryn above: Keep the title where it is for now, since at this point "California politician" is adequate, but move to the primary title Kevin McCarthy in January when he becomes (assuming he does become) Speaker of the House. That's IMPORTANT. It's not just another title; it's second in line in the presidential succession. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Kevin McCarthy Even if he doesn't become speaker in 2023, he's already the clear primary per detail above. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 02:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Kevin McCarthy per above comments. Corky 20:00, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
• Primary When I first started reading this thread, I thought that Kevin McCarthy (actor) must have been some actor famous in an Anglophone country other than the United States. But no. He was born in Seattle and had a good supporting actor role in a respected 1951 film. Then, he had a starring role in a low budget horror movie in 1956 that has become a bit of a cult classic. Then a long series of bit roles in minor films. I am 70 years ago and was entirely unfamiliar with this actor until today. Nobody has ever sat around and said to their buddies "Hey, did you see that new Kevin McCarthy movie?" On the other hand, the California politician has met WP:NPOL for 20 years, and has been at the very center of US politics as leader of the Republican caucus in the House of Representatives for the last eight years. If this is recentism, then Wikipedia itself is recentism. Centuries from now, people will be studying Trump's inner circle, including the person that Trump dubbed "my Kevin", just as we now study figures like Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, 250 years after they came to prominence. Personally, I do not like this man, but I want our readers to find his biography as easily as possible, as opposed to the biography of the star of the 1956 B movie called Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Cullen328 (talk) 06:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
• Primary He will be the House Speaker! PA-811 (talk) 12:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

• Primary. It's possible he might not be the speaker, but he's clearly the most notable person with the name. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

  @InvadingInvader: what does "Primary" mean? It could be primary for the whole topic, or just amongst politicians. For clarity, Votes should take the form of "Support", "Oppose" or "Move to _______" if you favour a move other than the one proposed. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

  Make the GOP leader (and potential future speaker) the primary topic. I'm just basing it off of everybody else and how they phrased it. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Kevin McCarthy per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^t@lk 21:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support moving to Kevin McCarthy. He is going to be Speaker of the House, neither the Iowa politician nor the actor will be as notable as the subject of this article. NO MORE HEROES ⚘ TALK 18:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Move to Kevin McCarthy per above Jaystjohn (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong support a move to Kevin McCarthy. It is simply misleading to call him a "California politician" (which implies not only that he is from California, but that he is a state-level politician, e.g. a member of the California State Assembly), when he has been a politician on the national stage since 2004 (after his election to the U.S. House of Representatives). Both other "Kevin McCarthy" politicians are state-level politicians. This move is necessary due to his higher prominence, political significance, and per WP:COMMONNAME. Arguments that it's "too early to judge" or recentism are flawed; even if he was forced to resign tomorrow due to a scandal (let's say), he'd still be more notable than the other two politicians who share his name. DFlhb (talk) 11:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Kevin McCarthy. It does look like he's the overall primary topic.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Kevin McCarthy. Clear primary topic per pageviews and Cullen328's argument about the actor. Yeeno (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Kevin McCarthy per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and other excellent arguments relayed above by several editors. Antiok 1pie (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2022

Mccarthy isn't speaker yet?? Why does it say he is 69.80.22.185 (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I reverted User:Arclic1980 change with the speaker position as the 118th United States Congress is not yet seated and McCarthy's election to speaker is not certain. --Mvqr (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

55th Speaker of the US House

So there's no confusion. If McCarthy does get elected Speaker of the House, he'll be sworn in as the 55th Speaker. Remember that Pelosi was/is 52nd, Boehner was the 53rd & Ryan was the 54th. The speakers are counted only once, regardless of whether they serve consecutive terms or not. GoodDay (talk) 06:36, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Good to know, thank you for this info. Eruditess (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 9 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 20:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Kevin McCarthy → Kevin McCarthy (California politician) – The previous move was premature. There is still a chance that he does not become Speaker of the House. [1] [2]. The page views are just the result of WP:RECENTISM because he is in the news. Suggest that the move be reverted and be moved back to the original title until he actually becomes Speaker. Unless he wins, he lacks long-term significance to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shwcz (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose The successful RM was not predicated on him becoming speaker. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Further, recommend speedy close as the RM was closed 17 days ago. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Comment The whole reason why that move was initiated was because he is predicted (not guaranteed) to be Speaker. The timing is suspect. If he does not become Speaker he loses the notability to be PRIMARYTOPIC. Shwcz (talk) 15:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  No it wasn't, or at least the initial RM proposal made no such mention of a potential speakership. Most comments did not reference a speakership, and I see one say "Move to Kevin McCarthy Even if he doesn't become speaker in 2023" and another say "It's possible he might not be the speaker, but he's clearly the most notable person with the name." Commenters above were clear that as House Minority Leader, he has become the primary topic and I stand by that even if he loses the speakership in January. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  He lacks long-term significance over the Golden Globe Award-winning actor. Shwcz (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  We just discussed this three weeks ago and nothing has changed to overturn the consensus that this KMc is the primary topic. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  That was when his chances for Speakership was guaranteed. He wasn’t primary when he became Minority Leader. Shwcz (talk) 17:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  His speakership was never considered "guaranteed". I'm not responding here any more. You're not presenting any RS or other policy arguments that suggest the last RM was wrongly decided. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  The previous RM was won by a WP:VOTE not by sound policy. If he is truly the primary topic, he could win again with a better argument. Shwcz (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Even if he does not become speaker, he will still have more long term notability than the actor.

Derpytoucan (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Evidence? The actor won a Golden Globe Award and has decades worth of work in film. Shwcz (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• what has changed in the last two weeks?—blindlynx 00:42, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: I have no opinion on moving or not, but the previous RM was closed ~3 weeks ago. Maybe a discussion on the closer's talk page and a MR would've been a better option then another RM? ^Clyde!_Franklin! 00:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC) Someone didn't read WP:MRNOT. ^Clyde!_Franklin! 00:12, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close. The previous RM discussion determined that he is the primary topic. Regardless on whether or not he eventually becomes speaker, this new RM was opened way too soon after the previous one. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. This individual is the primary topic for "Kevin McCarthy" regardless of whether he becomes Speaker of the House or not. He's held high-ranking positions in his party and the U.S. Congress for over a decade, and his lead in pageviews over Kevin McCarthy (actor) has been steadily growing for years. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This RM is a waste of time, and way too soon. The politician is the primary topic. Cullen328 (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - The likely incoming Speaker of the US House of Representatives, is going to be the primary topic. GoodDay (talk) 23:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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Please revert removal of source

Could you please revert this unexplained removal of source, especially since it didn't remove the material it was supporting. Since the page is locked, I cannot 2001:8003:34A3:800:3991:1F5E:E9FA:485F (talk) 06:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

good eye, returned the reference Keitsist (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Lack of mention of attendance at the World Economic Forum?

Why does this article not mention Mr. McCarthy's attendance at the World Economic Forum? Given the influence of this organization, it would make sense for it to at least be mentioned.

Sources: https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2016/sessions/priorities-for-the-united-states-in-2016 https://www3.weforum.org/docs/Media/AM16/AM16_Programme.pdf https://www.weforum.org/people/kevin-mccarthy https://rollcall.com/2016/01/22/mccarthy-discusses-the-economy-in-davos/ https://www.crunchbase.com/person/kevin-mccarthy-6 2601:43:200:A8C0:46FC:2D0B:58AC:76AB (talk) 05:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2023

Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org. Remove the word "false" in paragraph 4, line 2. Wikipedia must not make judgements about issues like this. 2601:8C0:381:1410:C5DC:6FA0:B56F:856C (talk) 00:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org.