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WP Israel Tags

There is no reason to not tag all articles. I have done a couple hundred myself, focusing on city pages and political parties. Any help from all members could fix that problem. Tag away! --יהושועEric 23:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Priority/Importance Tags

They both mean the same thing, I just have to fix a link on the template to direct to the importance page. Because I am not an admin, I cannot delete. The priority categories need to be deleted. --יהושועEric 09:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Monty Python

Derwig, well done locating that quote supporting the "Beatles of comedy" assertion. I was the bloke who tagged it yonks ago and was about ready to remove it in despair of finding any supporting citation... Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose 00:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I have tagged Wikipedia:WikiProject Monty Python, now with your interest and three others, it may well be rehabilitated! Chris 02:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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WP Israel

Hi Derwig, Thanks for your message.

I would love to join WP Israel but I read that "You must be an active editor, meaning that you are regularly on Wikipedia and not only once every few months.", which I am not yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cramer (talk • contribs) 06:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Teva

Derwig, if interested, I have began improving the article aboutTeva Pharmaceutical Industries, your contribution would be great. Cramer 17:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Count Ringworm's edits

I see that you just reverted Count Ringworm's addition of the film director stub to the Terry Gilliam article. You got to it before I did. But, if you take a look at his contributions page, you will see that he has added the stub to a great many director articles that are clearly not stubs. Perhaps someone needs to explain to this fellow what a "stub" is. ---Charles 14:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I didn't know about the DYK feature, now let's hope we get selected! Cramer 21:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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we got DYK

How nice Derwig! Cramer 13:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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cropping photo

I saw you added a map to the BG airport page and think it needs some cropping. The pages look a little ragged... --Gilabrand 06:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Alexander Penn

What is Alexander Penn's birth name? 69.253.39.132 19:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC) As far as I can tell, Penn is his birth name. The other writer you linked in the disambig page is actively publishing, the Israeli poet died in 1972 Derwig 19:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Palestine

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El Al FA

Hey..thanks for your help on teh el al article- i submitted it for fa status and there are comments here Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/El Al. If you could help me work thru' these, itd be great. Thanks Flymeoutofhere 14:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

El Al Help

Hi Derwig, thanks for all your help on the El Al article - I saw on your user page that you speak hebrew - We have a list of stuff which we need a hebrew speaker to help with - if you could help that'd be great. Talk:El Al#Some comments/questions on info in the article. Thanks --Flymeoutofhere 08:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Your work on Music of Israel

Thanks for the great edits. I didn't respond to your note on my user page.

--Ravpapa 12:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, Thanks for you comments. I joined the Israel project! MyWiseData 15:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Charles Netter

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Re: DKY

Thank you very much for the nomination. Let's hope it will pass. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 18:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little confused. How do I know whether the DYK ever made it? It seems to be updated very frequently. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Page name

I've moved it to Labor Party (Israel) leadership election, 2007 based on Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2007 and others. Number 57 18:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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RfA

Hi Derwig. Thanks for your words of support. It will be interesting to see the final outcome - I'm sure it will be pretty close! שנה טובה, Number 57 11:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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Knesset speakers template

Hi Derwig. Yes, it looks fine to me. I've added a {{nowrap| }} command to it to prevent Dov Shilanksy and Dalia Itzik breaking across lines on 800x600, but otherwise it's great. Once there's been a few more, it might be a good idea to just use surnames to save space, but at the moment it fills up to the size of the image. Number 57 18:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. Thanks for adding pictures to the MK articles I've created recently. How do you find them on commons? I check on he.wikipedia, but they don't seem to link to the commons. Also, Rachel Cohen-Kagan's picture must be out of copyright by now - I can't believe it's less than 50 years old! пﮟмьεя 57 12:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. пﮟмьεя 57 15:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Just in case you see/make any new MK articles, I've made a template, {{MKlink}} for external links to the Knesset site. If works by putting the article number of the Knesset website in lik so {{MKlink|id=764}}. I saw this on he.wikipedia and thought it was a good idea. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Ashdod GA status

Hi Derwig. I have enlarged the lead in Ashdod article, following the reviewer requirements. It still seems to be not enough. I will glad if you will correct my english. If you have additional ideas how to improve the lead it will be helpfull. Thank you in advance. Shmuliko 15:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• • It passed. Thank you a lot. Shmuliko 05:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Does FA requires additional info of Education, Health Care, Recreation....? If not - we can nominate it. Do you think peer review will be helpful? Shmuliko 13:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
• I put the request for peer review and received the semi-automatic answer. Some of the points are irrelevant and some are not clear. Please see it at Wikipedia:Peer review. What can we improve according to this? Shmuliko 16:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Brenner Regional Council

Hello, Derwig:

Many thanks for editing the article on the Brenner Regional Council. I appreciate all the help I can get - although my contribution to WP is limited, I do enjoy the time and the challenge, and the sharing of information.

One thing that I do not undertand is why you erased the alternate spelling for Brener - both Yosef Haim Brener and Givat Brener along with the regional council are spelled on signs and books in Eretz Yisrael, as well as on the net with one N as well as with 2Ns - is there a proper way to clarify these spelling variations? If so, please let me know. L'hitraot, SZAgassi 13:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi ZSA. If there is a WikiPolicy regarding alternative transliteration and spelling (there probably is...), I am not familiar with it. I just thought that mentioning such a slight variation is unnecessary, and only the official name should be mentioned. I do not have any strong opinions on the matter, and would not object to adding alt. spelled Brener to the article despite my thoughts. Keep up the good work, Derwig 15:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Kiryat Gat

Hello, Derwig

Your question regarding Kiryat Gat is a good one. Yes, Kiryat Gat was officially founded in 1955, but the original settlement of Gat was built in 1941 (the picture was actually taken in 1946 (will redo right now)

Thanks for keeping me on my toes.StevenBirnam 15:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

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Pinchas Sapir

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AfD nomination

Hi Derwig,

Both Magen Lacholeh articles have been rewritten and augmented by ample secondary sources. Could you pls review and withdraw your AfD nomination?

Thanks -- Dandin 05:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. Almost all of the sources added by you are from local or community sources, not satisfactory secondary sources. Most of them include a passing reference to the organization. To top it all, they are scanned paper clips, hosted on Magen Lachole website, which brings up the question of WP:COI. Looking at the articles as they stand now, I do not think they should be kept. They read like an advertisement, and full of peackok terms. IMO, you have not yet satisfied notability, and the promotional tone is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article.

A copy of my reply will go on the AfD page. Derwig 16:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• • The primary criterion for notability is if the organization has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources (Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)). The referenced (non-exhaustive) list of sources includes more than enough in-depth (inter)national and reliable press coverage to establish notability. The fact that scans of the paper sources appear on the organization's website does not diminish their credibility or create a bias, rather adds to their verifiability. Even without the scans the references would be valid. If the page's structure or references can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion, see WP:ATD#ATD. Jumping straight to deletion is not fair to other editors nor constructive for this encyclopedia. — Dandin 18:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Note: it's not my org, I sit far away from Israel, just trying to write facts about a well known organization that has helped many people I know. — Dandin 20:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Looks better now, with the rewording (now that the abyss is gone...) -- Derwig 20:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ronen Bergman

Yes, I see what you mean - the article is quite "promotional", but he is just about notable. I would suggest there are two approaches (a) reduce it to a stub along the lines of "RB is an Israeli investigative journalist and author" and list his books, or to do a rewrite from the start, keeping all the info, but less like an advert for him. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit

As I'm sure you've seem, I've just created this article. Quite aside from 18 years + in one ministry portfolio (I would imagine few have matched that in truly democratic countries), I was thinking the fact that he is the only signatory of the declaration of independence to have been born in the country would be a nice WP:DYK factoid, but other than the Hebrew wiki, I can't find any sources for this (not being a native Hebrew speaker, it would take me a long time to trawl through hits on google.co.il). I don't suppose you might like to look into it? пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking of the same thing myself (and the same hooks!) when I saw the article was created. Will have a look. Derwig 11:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is one saying the only signatory born in the country Iton Tel Aviv. I will try and find some more. Derwig 11:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - I'll put it in, and perhaps we can nominate it tomorrow based on any other findings. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added a couple more things (e.g. Minister of Minority Affairs) - due you think it's ok for nomination now? пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find more sources for the possible factoids. With your additions the text is now well-referenced, and should be ok for a DYK. Derwig 12:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've nominated it. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, he was not born in Israel. Perhaps you should reword, maybe Land of Israel? Derwig 12:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. Although I knew it was a bit awkward to link to Israel, I couldn't think of a better solution at the time, but yours seems good, so I'll change it. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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A barnstar

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		As you always manage to find a commons image for seemingly every Israeli written about on Wikipedia, I thought you deserved this! пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

And thanks very much for mine :) Now I intend to flesh out the article on the declaration itself with bits about how not all were present, how Warhaftig signed in the wrong place, the Rosenblum/Vardi issue and the other "additions" that a few made.

Aside from this, I am slightly confused by pre-state institutions. What is the relationship between the Assembly of Representatives and Moetzet HaAm? This does not explain on what basis the members of Moetzet HaAm were chosen (given that the AoR had 171 members after the 1944 elections, and Moetzet HaAm only had 37). Could you explain it to me? Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ratosh's death date

Dear Derwig, you added the birth date and the death date to the page on Yonatan Ratosh. You added a death date in 1985 however the main part claims that he died in 1981. Could you possibly clear up which date is the right one? Thanks. Kope (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Corrected the death year in the lead, thanks, Derwig (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you. Kope (talk) 09:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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5/25 DYK

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Bnaya/Benaya

Hi Derwig. I saw that you changed the spelling in the template/article. I've created the article, but at Bnaya based on the nikud spelling - בְּנַ‏יָה. I'll ask Ynhockey for his input here too. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• I think Benaya is better. The Bet is the first letter of the word, that makes the shva a shva na which is transliterated as e (see Wikipedia:HE#Vowels and shva). Derwig (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• • Hmmm. I can see where you're coming from, but what does that do to (say) Bnei Yehuda? I await Ynhockey's input with interest! пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

There's no justification to use the e sound per WP:HE, which says that it has to be pronounced in Hebrew (and the shva in Bnaya clear is not). Are there any more reasons for wishing to include the e? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• • correct pronunciation is Benei Yehuda (and you can here some TV announcers use this form), but Bnei is the common name and should be used. In the case of Be/Bnaya, I am not sure what is the common name ,but grammatically Benaya is the correct form, and I completely disagree with Ynhockey on that matter. I do not think this article should be a subject of major controversy, I think Benaya is bettr, but will agree to any of the spelling options as long as redirect is kept from the unchosen one. -- Derwig (talk) 17:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I saw it was Ge'alya on the Hebrew wiki. However, I did a quick google for it and got 1,350. However, Moshav+Galia gets 19,000,[1] including hits like Haaretz, Ynetnews and the Jerusalem Post, which suggests it is the common English spelling. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough - I've moved it. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Settlement Elef

Thanks for the heads up. Do you think the article should be called Hityashvut HaElef, Hityashvut HaElef plan, Settlement of the Thousand, or Settlement of the Thousand plan? I am leaning towards one of the latter two per WP:ENGLISH. The Hebrew wiki doesn't have an article, which is a shame as there is virtually nothing on the net in English about it. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

After sleeping on it, I'm inclined to go with Settlement of the Thousand - I may start the article later today. Let me know if you agree/disagree. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yizre'el

I've moved HaMa'apil (Can't believe I didn't spot that), but Yizre'el seems more complex - on the English version of their site they only refer to themselves as Yizre'el - see here as an example. I had assumed it was a long "e" sound as well (as in Jezreel Valley) and that the "Yizra'el" spelling means it rhymes with Israel. Thoughts? пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ra'hel/Rachel Bluwstein

Thanks. I don't know how to do a redirect. Could you please help me with that? Das Baz, aka Erudil 16:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)