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November 16

DUMMMM, DUMMMM, dee-DA-dee, dee-DA-dee, dee-DUMMMM, DEEEEE, DUMMMM...

I taped the silent movie The Navigator when it was shown on TCM a little while ago. When I watched it, I immediately recognized the music played during the diving-suit sequence: it's an arrangement of the same melody played when Professor Fate is operating one of his ungainly machines in the 1965 movie The Great Race. It begins with a phrase something like what you see in the question title, played slowly with several unusually low notes.

Now the IMDB credits someone with writing a "1995 score" for The Navigator, so I assume that's the music I heard on TCM. It's therefore possible that the movie as I saw it incorporated music written originally for the later movie The Great Race. But my guess is that this is actually an older piece of music that the 1965 movie used and the 1995 scorer decided to also use.

Anyone know whether the theme really comes from one or these movies or from somewhere else?

--Anonymous, 06:51 UTC, November 16, 2009.

Can you find a youtube for any of those examples? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't do Internet video. --Anon, 04:23, November 17, 2009.

If you did, you might increase your chances of getting an answer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Further, it would make it possible for someone to identify the music. The words you typed have no pitch. It is impossible to decipher if it is C C BDB BDB DC C# C or some other sequence of notes. YOU might read it and think the notes are obvious, but doesn't mean anyone else will read it and understand the tune in any way. -- kainaw™ 04:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that. I was hoping I'd get lucky and someone familiar with one or the other movie would know the piece from the description. --Anon, 22:05 UTC, November 17, 2009.

What exactly do you mean by "I don't do Internet video"? Is your PC too slow to support it and/or are you on dialup? I'm just wondering. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I mean I don't do it. --Anon, 03:20 UTC, Nov. 17.

Why not? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not a forum for personal conversations. --Anon, 10:12 UTC, Nov. 18.

What's that supposed to mean? We're trying to help, and you're being belligerent. What's the issue? Do you have concerns about youtube possibly planting viruses on your PC, for example? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

No belligerence was intended, Bugs; I just meant that questions why about why I, personally, do not do something are off-topic, and I choose not to answer. I was asking if someone could identify a piece of music based on the information I did provide; apparently not; so be it. --Anon, 18:06 UTC, Nov. 18.

It's not off-topic. Maybe you know of some danger lurking in youtube that we should know about. Like a virus of some kind. And if you could find a youtube that has an example of the musical piece you're referring to you, someone might be able to identify it. I have to conclude that you're really not that interested in getting an answer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

And by the way, you opened the door to this with, "I don't do Internet video". If you had said, "I am unable to use Internet video" or some such, it could have stayed there. Instead, you raised curiosity by saying "I don't do Internet video", and then refusing to elaborate. In short, jerking us around. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

To put it succinctly: If you didn't want to talk about it, you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. In fact, I conclude that you're engaged in... ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize for arousing your curiosity. --Anon, 03:36 UTC, Nov. 19.

Since it's obvious you don't really want any help, how about you just blank this section and be done with it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't want help with Internet video. I was hoping for an answer to the question I originally asked. Bugs, I get the impression you're somehow taking this personally; I repeat that I did not intend any hostility. I'm not blanking anything, but I will wrap this subthread in "small" tags. --Anon, 00:45 UTC, Nov. 20.

You didn't really want an answer to the question. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Anon, putting aside your prohibition on internet video for a moment to confirm this, is the theme that kicks in around 00:53 of this clip, after a short oom-pah sort of intro, what you're talking about? AlexiusHoratius 02:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Name the song?

I looked on google for this song with some of the lyrics, but couldnt find it. I heard it on a local radio station a while ago but never heard of it again. The lyrics to the song start something like this:

"Yo, it's 2020 and they changed the constitution for your red white and blue friends..."

Im not sure but i think the song was in the style of freestyle rap.

Has anyone heard these lyrics before or know who sang it or what the name of the song was? Thanks!

137.81.112.176 (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"Turbulence" by Deltron APL (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

southpark question

there is a south park episode where some of the characters start using cats to get "high". they have to male cats face each other and the cats supposedly excrete something like pee in the face of the person (kinny).

after seeing this i started wandering if people realy did that or if it was just something the imagination of the creaters came up with.

PS: it allmost killed kinny after he got addicted to it, so if it realy does work, dont try it lol. --Talk Shugoːː 18:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The episode is Major Boobage, which Cheesing (urine-huffing) redirects to - so presumably, it's a South Park-only phenomenon. Can't find any non-South Park references on the internet. Vimescarrot (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I speculate that this episode may be a satirical reference to, or be inspired by, the supposed 1960's hippie habit of toad licking, described in the article Psychoactive toad. Although that article states that the practice "is not biologically practical", I recently read an anecdote about someone's dog developing the habit of catching and chewing on toads, resulting in apparent tripping. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

ok so there realy is a reference to the... cat urine thing. was there a actual reason for airing it at the time or did they just want to make a tripping episode? using cats... --Talk Shugoːː 18:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Here you go,this might be the origin-http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten_Huffing..hotclaws 00:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Note that, being an uncyclopedia article, that's a joke. South Park uses parody, meaning they find something silly people do, like toad licking, and exaggerate it to make it even more ridiculous. For another example, they made fun of fad diets by inventing a diet where, instead of eating food, you jam it up your ass, resulting in "that full feeling" without any calories, since you can't digest it that way. StuRat (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

rofl yeah i remember that, good point --Talk Shugoːː 19:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Calvin and Hobbes strip

Could you help me to find a specific Calvin and Hobbes strip (or the date it was published or the book in wich it is) The strip goes like this (more or less): Calvin tells Hobbes that he has lots of tasks to do, so he is going to subdivide them for better accomplish them. Hobbes ask him is he is going to start readin chapter one. He replies that he is going to ask himself "Do I even care"? and throws away the books. Thank you. 85.55.143.19 (talk) 18:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

That's the strip for January 8, 1993. http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/01/08 at Uclick's GoComics. Pepso2 (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

How did you find that? There is no searchable text on that site. Do you just have an incredibly good memory, or have you been looking for an hour and a half since he posted it? I recognized the description, but there would be no way for me to find it in my C&H books without reading through them all again. (and since you gave me the date, it is on page 43 of Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat.) —Akrabbim^talk 20:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow! You are like the genie of the lamp. Thank you very much.85.55.143.19 (talk) 20:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

How did I find it? Simple. I Google searched for the phrase "do i even care" with qualifier "hobbes". That brought me to a page in this index where I used "find" on Safari. Then I used the tiny calendar device on the strip at GoComics to locate and confirm. Btw, I see the phrase "don't care" is almost like a signature utterance in C&H. Pepso2 (talk) 08:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

November 17

HP Lovecraft

has their ever been a premium collection of the stories widely considered to be Lovecraft's best? Library Seraph (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Peter Straub edited H.P. Lovecraft: Tales http://www.loa.org/volume.jsp?RequestID=223 (Library of America, 2005). Pepso2 (talk) 07:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Since H. P. Lovecraft's professionally published fiction largely appeared in Pulp magazines outside the conventional literary mainstream, opinions on what of it is definable as "best" may differ. His professionally-published oeuvre was relatively small, as he spent much of his time on uncommercial poetry, non-fiction newspaper columns, ghost-writing, amateur press activities and a voluminous private correspondence, and his (generally short) fiction has appeared in many differently permutated volumes, often confusingly given the same titles. The definitive editions are generally considered to be those edited by S. T. Joshi and first published by Arkham House (created for that purpose): the three volumes published by Penguin Classics and the differently titled and arranged volumes published by HarperCollins are probably the best options, being most readily available. They're listed very near the end of our article H. P. Lovecraft bibliography, which you may find useful. The volume Lovecraft: a Biography by L. Sprague de Camp may also be of interest. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 07:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I know I'm a bit late with this, but Arkham House put out a well-made hard cover series of his works some years back. Probably not what you're talking about, but it had everythnig fictional he wrote contained in them. Peter Greenwell (talk) 04:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Fictional Characters

Would characters like Bree Van de Kamp, John Locke, Eric Matthews, and Tim Taylor be considered Disney characters? Thank you for your time.

Americanfreedom (talk) 04:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

First, define a "Disney character". In my definition, it is a character from a Disney movie, television show, or book. None of those characters are from a Disney movie, television show, or book. So, they are not Disney characters. If you decide to make up your definition of Disney character that describes the characters you listed, then you are simply rationalizing the definition to meet your needs. It is a rather simplistic form of argument and has no basis in reality. -- kainaw™ 04:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, they are from shows on ABC, which is owned by Disney. It's still a stretch though; the part of Disney that makes what we would consider "Disney characters" is entirely separate from the part that makes prime time TV shows. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The phrase "Disney Characters", of course, does not have a set-in-stone, dictionary definition. It's usage depends entirely on context. In certain situations, it certainly could be meant to imply every character owned by the Disney Corporation. But if someone said the phrase "Disney character" without any context at all, I'd assume they meant characters from Disney branded products. Possibly just children's films, or possibly just cartoons. Even so, I'd be uncertain as to whether whoever said it was including characters like "Peter Pan", "Alice", or "Snow White". Characters that are clearly not invented or owned by Disney, but have been used in one of their movies.

To sum up : If I needed to know this, I'd ask whoever was using the term "disney character" to clarify. There's just no solid meaning of the phrase. APL (talk) 06:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Even so, Disney's particular rendition of those characters have become identified with Disney, especially the Snow White character. Most casual observers would consider them to be Disney characters. I doub the OP's example would be considered so. But visiting a Disney website would probably provide fair evidence for what Disney itself considers its characters to be. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Further, being a Disney character does not exclude it from being another character. Winnie the Pooh is a Disney character. He is also an A.A. Milne character. -- kainaw™ 16:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, even Galactus is now a Disney character... JIP | Talk 21:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Technically, are the Muppets also now "Disney characters"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Need for speed hot pursuit 2 (Ps2) voices

Who does the cop voices and the dispatcher voices for the game?Accdude92 (talk to me!) (sign) 14:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

One of these people. Not sure if there's any way to find out which. Vimescarrot (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

What is the name of this type of classical music?

What is the name of this type of classical music??
March of Heroes - The Enemy Must Fall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Wo1c0IW2s 187.89.158.225 (talk) 18:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Amazon.com appears to recognise the following classical genres:

Ballads, Canons, Concertos, Etudes, Fantasies, Fugues, Improvisation, Inventions, 'Lullabies & Berceuse', Oratorio, Preludes, 'Requiems, Elegies & Tombeau', Rondos, Scherzo, 'Serenades & Divertimentos', 'Short Forms', Sonatas, Suites, Symphonies, 'Theatrical, Incidental & Program Music', Toccatas, and Variations

However, I would call this Modern classical, just because it is recently composed - if the uploder's comments are to be believed, it was composed in 2006/2007 and is inspired by the Soviet Union. Although too repetitive for my liking, it does sound to me to be inspired by the heroic themes in some music of the Soviet Union. You might also like to check out this site. Astronaut (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Dethklok-unknown character

In the 3rd season premiere of the show Metalocalypse, entitled "RenovationKlok," there is a brief flashback at the beginning where each band member is shown in their younger forms. however, Toki Wartooth is missing, and replaced with someone who looks much older. ive looked in every Dethklok-related page (characters, episodes, etc.) to find out who he is, but with no luck. anyone know who that guy is? 71.223.229.17 (talk) 19:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Was it Toki's father? Its been a bit since I have seen the episode. I'll dig it up on adultswim.com when I get some time, but I seem to remember that Toki has some serious "daddy issues" and suffered abuse at the hands of his father. It plays a key role in some episodes of Metalocalypse, I'm just no good with titles of episodes... --Jayron32 20:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Scratch that. Just watched it again. I was thinking of a different episode. It must be some unnamed band member who Toki replaced. Remember, the band pretty much treats Toki like shit anyways; he's often treated as a lesser member of the band, which would make since if he wasn't an original member. --Jayron32 20:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The wikipedia article on Dethklok states "He is the youngest member of Dethklok, Dethklok being his first band. He looks up to Skwisgaar, to the point that his admirer hates him. This idea is pointed out in a season three episode in which Toki was in a Dethklok tribute band, ironically posing as Skwisgaar. According to the season 3 premiere there was another rhythm guitarist before him." So, that guitarist is (as yet) unnamed, and Toki's backstory is fleshed out in season 3 to confirm that he was not an original member, but brought in after playing in a Dethklok tribute band (c.f. Tim "Ripper" Owens)... --Jayron32 20:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

well it would make sense that Toki would be a replacement. i guess i'll just have to watch the rest of the episodes like any other regular 'jackoff' 71.223.229.17 (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

What is this comic?

I read some superhero comic in the early 1990s. I think it was by Marvel Comics, but I'm not sure. The idea was that there was this man, except he was really some sort of mythological/legendary creature disguised as a man. What I remember happened in the comic was that whenever this man gave someone else food to eat, once they ate it, they instantly disappeared (and AFAIK, reappeared in some "fairy land" somewhere). A woman was reluctant to eat any of the food, so he fed her by force. This is all I remember of the comic. What comic is this? JIP | Talk 21:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it this ? .Auberon...hotclaws 00:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

When Walter Simonson took over Marvel's The Mighty Thor comic, his second story arc featured the new character of Malekith the Accursed, a dark elf, who was trying to track down the Casket of Ancient Winters (which held the coldness of all previous winters within it). For Simonson's take on the elf/faerie kind, he chose to make them highly reactive to human food. I don't know if there's a mythological precedent for that, but I'm guessing he was just playing off the very old legends about what happens to normal people when they eat food from the land of the undead/faerie/etc. However, since he was very well read on all kinds of myths, it may very well have been an existing trope. Anyway, the guy carrying the Casket (Eric Willis) destroys two faeries impersonating humans by forcing them to eat human food. The first is his secretary, whom he overpowers and ties to a chair, forcing her to eat a McDonald's hamburger. As soon as the food touches her lips, she crumbles to dust. After he's arrested for apparently killing her, the police officer interrogating him reveals herself to also be in league with Malekith and tries to convince him that he should eat the food of the faerie (some cookies she's made) and spare himself the torture to come. Instead, he finds a french fry that had dropped in his pocket and pushes it into her mouth, causing her to crumble to dust as well. Any of this sounding familiar? I believe the issues were Thor 344 and 345. The arc is part of Thor Visionaries: Walt Simonson volume 1, which I think is still in general release (and well worth the money, if I may say so; his run on Thor is still the high water mark nearly a quarter century later). Matt Deres (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this does indeed sound familiar, especially the bit about hamburgers and French fries, because I distinctly remember that's what he fed her. I had just originally thought all the people he fed were normal humans, not faeries in disguise. The thing I never fully realised was whether the people died after eating the food or just got transported somewhere. JIP | Talk 18:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

First actor or actress to have a color movie released posthumously

Who was the first actor or actress to have a color movie posthumously released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.241.235 (talk) 23:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Was there something wrong with your previous question? Vimescarrot (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was told I would have to refine that previous question, according to the user known as JackofOz. So, I posted a new one. 67.180.241.235 (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

In such cases, please do not remove the original question. In particular, it's not OK to edit other users' contributions, and certainly not to remove them. All you needed to do was restate your question at the end of the same thread, so that all could see the history of the discussion. -- 202.142.129.66 (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The original question [1] was, "What was the first posthumous film to be released in color?" which is definitely confusing. The reworded version, "Who was the first actor or actress to have a color movie posthumously released?" is somewhat less confusing. Better wording could be, "Who was the first actor in a color film who died before the film was released?" ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Below are the original responses, which would seem to contain some useful information for any version of the question: ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

From the information I can gather, I'll have to say the answer is James Dean's posthumous film, "Rebel Without a Cause".Icemerang (talk) 08:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sidney Howard, who scripted Gone with the Wind, was crushed to death by a tractor four months before the release of the film. Pepso2 (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

He was also the first posthumous Oscar winner. You may need to refine your question a little, 67.180. What do you mean by "posthumous film"? Is any film where anyone who was involved in its creation in any way whatsoever but died before its release, considered a "posthumous film"? -- JackofOz (talk) 19:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sidney Howard wasn't an actor, of course - but even if you say "actor" you've got some problems. Dean was probably the first starring actor to die before a film release, but given the number of extras of films like "Gone With The Wind", it's likely that someone in a bit part keeled over before the film's release. if we limit it to credited actors, we may find someone pre-Dean, though. Grutness...wha? 23:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

To Be or Not to Be (1942) starred Carole Lombard, who was killed in January 1942, some months before the film's release. Her unexpected death in a plane crash caused the makers to edit out some of her dialogue referencing things that can happen on planes. It's a black-and-white film, but I presume it was colorised at some stage. Does that count? -- 202.142.129.66 (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC) (JackofOz)

Given the nature of the question, I don't think colorizing counts. Although that 1942 would beat Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space by well over 10 years. Yes, there is indeed a colorized version of Plan 9, and it's a definite improvement. Lugosi died during that film's production, "and it shows". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Short of painstakingly going through the cast lists on all the articles in Category:Films shot in Technicolor, I can't think of any easy way to do this. I thought I'd found one with Albert Gran, who appeared in colour films in the late 20s, but his posthumous release was in b&w. Grutness...wha? 06:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Duel in the Sun was undergoing international release when Walter Huston died in 1950. Pepso2 (talk) 07:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

November 18

Music in different keys

After playing Bach's Prelude and Fugue in C-sharp major, I was wondering if there would be any versions of music that would enharmonically change the notes of a hard key signature. For example, in his Fugue, he has many D, E and F double sharps. Wouldn't it be much easier on the pianist if there was a version where D double sharp would be E natural and so on? I took almost a month to finally get all the notes right, so it would be much faster to learn and the end result, using the real key signature, wouldn't be much different.

Thanks in advance, 110.175.152.166 (talk) 04:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

In Bach's time, instruments were tuned to Meantone temperament which used a spacing between notes that meant that each "key" had a unique sound; changing keys meant changing the spacing between notes; so if you played a piece in C-sharp and then transposed to D-sharp, the spacing of the third in C-sharp wouln't be identical to the spacing of the third in D-sharp; that is why most classical composers were very picky about the key they wrote in; each key had a unique "sound" which could not be translated directly into another key. Modern instruments are tuned to Equal temperament, which means that keys are fully transposable. A piece played in C-sharp sounds exactly like a piece in D-sharp, just of a lower pitch. In meantone temperament, the lack of ability to transpose or modulate easily meant heavy use of accidentals in order to get exactly the notes the composer wanted. In modern equal temperament tunings, the composer just chooses a key which will allow for the most efficient writing (i.e. avoid accidentals) since all keys are equivalent. Bach did not have that luxury, and so chose his keys for sonic and harmonic reasons, not to make the music easy or efficient to sight read. --Jayron32 05:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the OP is asking why the music can't be printed with E natural instead of Dx (etc), while still being in the key of C#, which would have the same sound but might be easier to read. I suppose the answer is that it would be "theoretically" wrong in the sense that it wouldn't show the harmonic structure of the music correctly. Whether it would actually be easier to read is perhaps debatable: if the music modulates into "D# major" it might help to see a chord of D#/Fx/A# rather than D#/G/A# (of course Eb/G/Bb would be even easier). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Because, strictly speaking, E natural is only enharmonic to D## in equal temperament tunings. For instruments using keyboards, meantone temperament works such that certain useful intervals are actually impossible to play, leading to approximations (see wolf interval) which can be quite dissonant. If you're playing a violin, you play the tone that works harmonically, since you aren't constrained to a fixed interval. As a classic example, in meantone temperament, the sum of three major thirds is NOT a perfect octave, though our sense is that it should be. (12 semitones = 1 octave, so three groups of 4 semitones should also be an octave). In fact, in meantone temperament, 3 successive major thirds above C₃ is B#₄, not C₄. The difference between B#₄ and C₄ is called the diesis. Another way to look at equal temperament is that it is the tuning for which the diesis = 0. To anwser why the modern music of a Bach score still uses double sharps and things like that, its because that's how Bach wrote it. Ideally, if you wanted to play it true to the original composition, you would tune all of your instruments to meantone temperament. In practice, we just play the piece in modern "equal temperament", which is technically wrong (slightly) but still close, to the original music. --Jayron32 19:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

What Jayron says is one of the purists' arguments about why Bach should not be played on the piano (which didn't exist in Bach's day). But the purists who twang away on their rotten harpsichords, "because that's what Bach intended", don't afaik use meantone temperament, so even they don't play the music the way Bach envisaged it. On the original question: I have occasionally seen music full of accidentals written out in an easier way for students. There's a 20-odd-bar passage towards the end of Chopin's Polonaise-Fantasie that's nominally in B major (5 sharps) but is replete with sharps and double sharps, and one score I once had provided an alternative version of this passage, re-written in a different key and removing almost all the accidentals. It sounded exactly the same and was much easier to play for the student. Never seen it for Bach, though.-- JackofOz (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I've also got a score of Chopin's E minor concerto, in which a lengthly G♯ major passage in the second movement is rewritten as A♭ major (complete with a key signature change – in Chopin's notation, the original four sharps of E major are retained through this G♯ major passage). Double sharp (talk) 09:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all the replies, although I wasn't asking about the equal temperament it certainly made good reading. I asked this question because when I learn music with double sharps/sharps/double flats I write down the enharmonic notes. For example in Albeniz El Puerto I wrote under the notes 'D E Fsharp G" etc.

I have a supplementary question- like Bach in his Prelude and Fugue in E-flat minor, are there any composers who choose to change the key of their work to make it easier to play? (Bach changed from E-flat minor to D-sharp minor) 202.7.205.66 (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, but there certainly are examples of publishers taking it upon themselves to to change the key of a piece, in order to ensure greater sales. The one at the front of my mind is Schubert's Impromptu No. 3 in G flat major, which, without Schubert's knowledge or consent, was transposed into G major for publication. -- JackofOz (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

ZX Spectrum Game Called...

Resolved

Hi,

I'm trying to trace the name and publisher of a ZX Spectrum computer game that I remember from childhood.

It was developed fairly late in the Spectrums life and basically involved piloting some kind of space craft. The screen was split horizontally with instrumentation along the bottom third of the screen and an outside view for the top two thirds. There may have been ticker messages displayed across the very top of the screen at various points.

I seem to remember the gameplay consisting of three main tasks. The first was piloting a space craft using a first-person view. Secondly you followed a wire-frame set of rectangles that marked a 3D route into orbit around a planet and lastly you began flying at low level over a planetary surface. Both the space and planet sections required you to avoid objects (and enemies maybe?).

The game had two features that I believe were unique at the time. Firstly, in one of the sections, you could see large 3D letters spinning in space. By flying through them you collected the letters and once all had been collected in a given level a word could be made which served as some sort of password or level key. Secondly, the text displayed in messages on screen and used when entering high scores was, very distinctively, a proportional font rather than the Spectrum's standard non-proportional one.

I may be running 2 or more games together into one amalgam memory here...

Any suggestions on what game (or games) I might be remembering would be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks everyone.

Badman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.201.28 (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Could it be Elite (video game)? APL (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I doesn't sound like elite, but I played elite on a BBC, so the Spectrum version may have been different. DJ Clayworth (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I remember this one - it was called Starion. See this Anonymous Bob (talk) 12:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

That's the one! Thanks Anonymous Bob. The link gives great info including a reference to another Speccy game, "Dark Star" which is where my faulty memory had plucked the planet-based sections and the wireframe rectangular orbital manouevering from (actually planet warp gates in Dark Star). Two birds killed with one stone! Thanks again Bob.

chrysler 300

can 24 inch rims fit on a chrysler 300....and if so what needs to be done to make them fit?

At the risk of stating the obvious, your Chrysler dealer will know. DJ Clayworth (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Anything is possible if money is no object. Googlemeister (talk) 21:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No, not without modifications, according to this answer: [2]. 23" is the largest, unless you're willing to shave the bolts down on the front arm to provide adequate clearance. StuRat (talk) 22:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lily Allen - Not Fair

What time signature is this song set too? Peter Greenwell (talk) 23:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like pretty straight-forward 4/4 to me. At a pinch it could be 2/4, but it's certainly not anything more exotic than that. Grutness...wha? 05:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, thought with that countrified galloping beat, it'd be something weird like 5/8. Meh, what would I know. Thanks for your help. Peter Greenwell (talk) 10:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The rhythm's complex, but the time signature isn't. You can still count it in steady fours. FWIW, most "galloping" or "horse-walking" types of song rhythm are 4/4. Grutness...wha? 00:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

November 19

How far am I though Bioshock?

WARNING: In the question below I mention part of the plot of Bioshock on the PS3.

I am playing Bioshock on the PS3 and I have just reached Arcadia, picked the rose and giving it to the scientist. Can somebody please give me a rough percentage of how far I am through the game, in terms of "ground covered" and also in terms of likely total playtime (I am playing on the hardest setting). I don't want to look it up online, in case I come across any spoilers, but just want a feel for roughly how far I am through. Thanks QuickSnow (talk) 01:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

About half-way, IIRC. This is the market part, right? The place where the scientist wants you to cleanse the spores, etc? Peter Greenwell (talk) 04:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's the right bit. Halfway, eh? I thought I was a lot less further through than that. Thanks very much for taking the time to respond. QuickSnow (talk) 08:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Song theme help

I need few examples of songs where two people who are in love and one or both are involved with a different partner. --24.187.98.157 (talk) 04:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The first one that comes to mind is a pop hit from the 60s 1977, whose title I'm unsure of, though it might be part or all of this tag line: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Jesse's Girl? --Jayron32 04:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Jesse's Girl - the question is of songs where two people are in love - there's no indication that Jesse's girl loves the singer (or loves Jesse but is involved with the singer)."Geraldine and John" by Joe Jackson (this one deserves to be better known) definitely qualifies, though. The all-time classic, though, is "He'll Have to Go", by Jim Reeves. Grutness...wha? 05:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

"It's Sad to Belong", by England Dan & John Ford Coley. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

"Silence Is Golden", by the Four Seasons, sort-of fits this theme. Going back a tad farther, "I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now". Aha. One from Finian's Rainbow, "When I'm Not Near the Girl I Love (I Love the Girl I'm Near)" also kinda fits. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Closer to the mark would be "Go Away Little Girl" by various artists, and "When I Get Home" by the Beatles and others. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Tonight You Belong to Me (you may remember it from The Jerk). And with an extra twist, The Pina Colada Song 98.226.122.10 (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Heart's All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You semi-sort of fits this bill. She's screwing a guy, then tells him he needs to leave 'cos she's in love with another man. Peter Greenwell (talk) 10:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

(after ec) "If Loving you is Wrong (I don't wanna be right)" - can't remember who it's by though, although I think Rod Stewart did a version.. Also "Me and Mrs Jones" by Billy Paul. On a slightly different tack "Be my Number 2" by Joe Jackson. --TammyMoet (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want to Be Right was originally by Luther Ingram, but famously also recorded by Millie Jackson. The whole of Millie Jackson's album Caught Up is on that theme, and it's brilliant. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is quite what you're after, but Picture (song) is about a couple who are being re-united after having different partners. They had a previous romantic relationship, though. Matt Deres (talk) 11:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Me and Mrs. Jones, by Billy Paul, which is found here. Bus stop (talk) 11:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

There are a few more suggestions here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Bye, Bye, Baby (Baby Goodbye) --79.79.190.201 (talk) 12:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Umm... I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus? Staecker (talk) 13:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Torn_Between_Two_Lovers? --Rixxin (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Country and Western songs use this theme a lot.hotclaws 17:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps "Band of Gold"? — Michael J 23:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Vietnam minefield,moonlight sonata

This is an Australian doco written by Walter Pearson directd by Richard Walker about a military blunder involving Aussie mine layers. Anyway, in the end credits a version of moonlight sonata 1st movement(Beethoven) is played. It starts off just on piano but about half way through a female singer comes in with no lyrics but just holding root notes over the piano. Can anyone tell me who does this version and where i can find a copy?Syme1 (talk) 11:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syme1 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Celibate rock star?

I can vaguely recall reading about some rock star who had plenty of women and would often take them bed but just wanted to lay there and talk all through the night instead of shag. Actually, it may not have been a rock star, maybe a crooner or something... a popular musician from the 20th century, at least. Sound familiar to anyone? NIRVANA2764 (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The closest I can remember is longtime NBA player A. C. Green, who used to bring women to his hotel room to read scripture with them. Not a rockstar, strictly speaking, but certainly not the norm for single, eligible bachelors in a professional sports league.--Jayron32 20:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Sir Cliff Richard is renowned for his virginity, but I've never heard of him taking women to bed and then not going the extra mile. -- JackofOz (talk) 20:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Although apparently not sufficiently renowned for it to get a mention in his article. The closest Cliff_Richard#Personal_life gets is to say that he's a lifelong bachelor, which is hardly the same thing. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Morrissey is known to be celibate, though the rest of the details I'm not so sure about.72.2.54.34 (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

of course, getting laid would make him less mopey and depressed, which would have ended his career. --Jayron32 06:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Not celibate, but Boy George once claimed to prefer "a nice cup of tea" to sex. Astronaut (talk) 08:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Where is the last gold coin in Super Mario Bros for DS

The stage after 8-4, the last sub-castle there is a coin I cannot find. It is the only coin I need. At the end of the stage I see a track below what I am standing on but I cannot access it. I am assuming the coin is around that track. I tried to get on the roof of the castle to run behind the castle door but that wont work either even with mini-mario. I understand that google can help me but I cannot access it at this time where I am located. My connection is limited. Thanks! :) 142.176.13.22 (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

For all your gold coin needs: http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/920787/43215. Vimescarrot (talk) 06:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

November 20

Dreamweb

I used to play this game as a kid, and would love to play it again, I have managed to find copies of it on several websites, and all seem to be the same version, however for the life of me I cannot get it to work, there seems to be no .exe file to load up the game, if any one could help me with this I would be eternally grateful. Zionist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.172.59.90 (talk) 08:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Televison series in the United States

Resolved

StuRat (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I recall on a couple of occasions seeing a few minutes of a television series here in the United States sometime in the 2001-2006 time frame that featured (besides a seemingly low production budget) a group of people wandering about on various wilderness adventures. The regular characters included a slightly "Indiana Jones" type male lead character with a few companions, one of which was a blond woman who was dressed as a sort of tribal native with more primitive clothing. (which oddly enough was always very clean and well groomed...as I said, low on budget and realism was obviously not a strong point of this production) Anyway, the show struck me as humorous due to the fake special effects and poor acting. Does anyone know what I am thinking of? I don't think it even aired in 'primetime' as I remember seeing it in late afternoon or early evening. cheers and thanks, 10draftsdeep (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

There was a TV version of The Lost World on about then that seemed to roughly match your description. It might be this one: [3], which ran from 1999-2002 but was probably in reruns for a few years after. The Indiana Jones-type character was "Challenger": [4], and the blond was "Veronica": [5]. Is that it ? StuRat (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that is it! Thanks StuRat. 10draftsdeep (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. StuRat (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

identifying a song by a line and an instrument

I was at my local post office mailing some packages. Over the loudspeaker, a song came on. It's one I'm trying to identify. One line sings "The sun is sure to shine". A glockenspiel is heard throughout portions of the song, sung by a woman. Who knows what song I'm talking about?24.90.204.234 (talk) 23:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Possibly "Blue Sky" by Hale? That line is in the lyrics, though I know nothing about the band... Grutness...wha? 00:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeh I listened to that on YouTube because I thought it might be after a Google but it's got a male vocalist and the glockenspiels are replaced by guitars. Can't seem to find anything else with that lyric --Coolcato (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank You, originally by Led Zeppelin contains the line "If the sun refused to shine" which could certainly have been misinterpreted above. The song, like much of the Led Zeppelin catelog, has been covered by about 1000 different bands and artists in about 100 different genres, it could have been that song. --Jayron32 00:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not "Blue Sky" by Hale. Like I told you before, a woman is doing the singing, and a glockenspiel is played in portions. But the singing in the song you described is done by a man. The song I'm trying to identify is a pop song.24.90.204.234 (talk) 01:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Emily Wells has this song where she plays the glockenspiel in parts, and sings the words "sun shine", but it's hard to imagine this getting played at the local post office. There are several versions of this on YouTube, but the audio is not great (as is usual on YouTube), and the glockenspiel isn't always clearly audible. —Kevin Myers 07:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not an Emily Wells song. Like I told you before, the song is in the pop genre. Wells is performing a nature-based song.24.90.204.234 (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

November 21

Identify this movie

I remember seeing a movie some years ago where a family gets shipwrecked on an island by a group of people pursuing them, and while on the island they meet a young lady whose plane crashed onto the island, but in the end they manage to overtake the ship that originally pursued them. What was this movie titled? 128.2.247.136 (talk) 01:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

The Cat Story

Do you know the story about a cat named Saha? Who wrote it? I Read it in a book titled The Best Cat Stories (not English). All I can remember is a jealous woman and a cat. The woman didn't like the cat because she thought her husband likes it more than her. I think that she also threw it from balcony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atacamadesert12 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

A Google search for Saha +cat +balcony shows our article La Chatte as the first hit. Is that it? Deor (talk) 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

November 22

name of actor

Resolved

StuRat (talk) 03:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

What is the name of that male caucasian actor about in his thirties, maybe forties, his first name I think is Jake or Jason, his last name is weird, to my ears. He has like a big face. I think he has a somewhat cult following. He is medium famous, not super-famous. Actually, I think he was mentioned on the reference desk within the past few weeks. I thank you in advance. Bus stop (talk) 02:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Jake Gyllenhaal ? He's only 28, though. StuRat (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is the name. Thank you. I had the age wrong. Bus stop (talk) 03:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. StuRat (talk) 03:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

PBS series on early flight?

I'm trying to find the name of a PBS TV drama series, a number of years back, possibly a couple of decades ago, which involved early flying machines in Britain (post-Wright brothers). It was apparently not part of Masterpiece Theater. Any clues? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Early aviation figures into the storyline of Flambards (1978). Pepso2 (talk) 06:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

You may well be right.[6] I'll have to check with my other half and see if this is the one she's thinking of. Tomorrow. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated Chevy Chase Clip

Title says it all. On an episode of Family Guy, which I believe was to do with Stewie finding his future self in San Francisco, then going forward in time to see the future, or around that same time, they begin the episode with an unrelated clip of Chevy Chase. He appears to be carrying something towards an audience member, then drops it. Can anyone tell me what that was about ? Was it Saturday Night Live ? I think we used to get that in NZ, but not anymore, or at least not on regular TV. Thantesque. The Russian.C.B.Lilly 07:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher1968 (talk • contribs)

This was the birthday cake bit from the debut episode of The Chevy Chase Show: [7] It's strange because the walk with the cake was chilling, leaving viewers thinking, is he really going to embarrass Goldie Hawn's son by dumping the cake in his lap? Or is that a pre-arranged gag? No. Neither. He just drops the cake on the floor, turns and walks away, proving that you don't have to be a comedian to drop a cake on the floor. Not the way the Three Stooges would have done it. The dropped cake was the memorable low point of the entire series in which the premise seemed to be, "We'll just wing it." Pepso2 (talk) 07:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

A riff from Marshall Jefferson: "Move Your Body"

Where does the main riff from Marshall Jefferson's single "Move Your Body" come from? It's the melody that starts at the lines "Gotta have house music" (near 1:03) and repeats itself during the song. Check out last.fm if you need to hear the song. The riff is from another very popular song but I can't remember which one. 78.0.254.173 (talk) 18:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Band with biggest following in the world

Which current band has the largest following? I was told the answer recently but I forgot. Apparently it's not U2 and the band name is 4 letters. The first letter is D IIRC. 74.105.223.182 (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)