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March 17

William Casey

Why does the first line describe him as a Republican politician when the rest if the posting lists two political activities-- as an unsuccessful congressional candidate on a primary and as a presidential campaign manager--and many policy jobs in government? Aren't politics and policy different? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.228.152 (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The proper place to discuss this is at the article's talk page, not here. μηδείς (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Archived arbitration cases

Thread retitled from "arch".

Where can i find a list of archive arbitration cases? Pass a Method talk 20:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests has an archive box. To facilitate future Reference desk archive searches, I am revising the heading of this section from arch to Archived arbitration cases, in harmony with WP:TPOC, point 13 (Section headings). Please see Microcontent: Headlines and Subject Lines (Alertbox).

—Wavelength (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC) and 22:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

bless Pass a Method talk 10:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

James ******* & Co. Columbus, Ohio

I just purchased table and chairs at a local auction. On the bottom of the table it says Pattened & Mfg by James ******* & Co. Columbus, Ohio. Just wondering if you can provide any information on this mfg. It is oak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.134.27 (talk) 23:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you purposely hiding the last name, or is it illegible or what? RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Possibly James Pleukharp & Co., Columbus, Ohio [1]. --Auric talk 02:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

March 18

i want to know the company in US who can supply Battery separator production line

which company in US can supply Battery Separator (PE) production line — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur312 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

A Google search on "battery separator manufacturer" comes up with several companies. The only one we have an article on at present is Hollingsworth & Vose, but this should not be regarded as an endorsement of their products. Tevildo (talk) 01:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

History and Rhetorical Analysis

In my English class we are assigned to write a rhetorical analysis and evaluation. Our prompt is to "choose a problematic question or arguable issue". Everyone is my class is writing on gun control, abortion, gay rights etc. I love to try to surprise my teacher and so I thought it would be really cool to choose a topic in history to analyze. I have to have two articles, speeches, essays etc. on the issue and they have to be strictly for or against the issue. It doesn't matter whether the two viewpoints differ or not. So my question is this, is there a time in history where two speeches or whatever were made arguing something that would fit this? And where might I find them? Any information would be appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.145.208 (talk) 04:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

There's free silver and the Cross of Gold speech--you'd have to find a second but that shouldn't be hard. μηδείς (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thousands of historical event would qualify, and be a lot more fun than the perennial topics your classmates will choose. Any subset of argument you'd be interested in? Political, theological, scientific, mathematical? Any time-frame in mind? Any particular subtopic that strikes your fancy? You could get a lot of arguments from around the time of the founding. The debate over a national bank is an interesting economic topic. So's the currency related topic Medeis notes. Shadowjams (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The legitimacy of Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon was a good one. It hinged on apparently contradictory biblical verses about marrying the wife of your brother (Catherine was previously married to Henry's brother, Arthur, who predeceased him). The argument is notable because it's a prime cause of the English Reformation. (NB our article omits the topic of levirate marriage, Deut 25:5-6, which had been used to justify the marriage in the first place). The argument had a massive impact on English and European society then and subsequently. --Dweller (talk) 10:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking of the Munich Agreement in 1938, by which the western powers used appeasement in an attempt to pacify Hitler. It was largely seen as a good thing at the time, but in the light of subsequent events came to be regarded as a very bad thing. However, I'm struggling to find two keynote speeches that sum-up the arguments. Alansplodge (talk) 11:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The speeches made in Parliament by Chamberlain (for) and Churchill (against) would probably be good starting points. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Well done, I probably would have got there in the end. Alansplodge (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• The debates surrounding the writing and ratification of the United States Constitution were historically significant, there were the Federalist Papers which were organized and written to argue in favor of the Constitution as written, while there are also the Anti-Federalist Papers which are a bit of a historiographical invention; while not so organized as the Federalist Papers were, it provides a good organization to the various arguments against the Constitution. --Jayron32 13:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

You might enjoy exploring the Calculus_controversy, or List_of_scientific_priority_disputes in general. Lots of letters, and some speech sources are provided. SemanticMantis (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

US aircraft carrier naming

Just reading your artical on the USS George H.W. Bush. You stated that " USS George H.W. Bush is the second United States aircraft carrier to be named after a naval aviator (Forrestal was the first) and the second, following Ronald Reagan, to be named after a living former president (Reagan was christened in 2001 while President Reagan was still living). It is also to date the only aircraft carrier to be named after a president who only served one term in office." I wondering if the USS John F Kennedy(CV-67)was not included because JFK didnt conplete a full term? Not sure when "to date" is but what about the USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.43.62.145 (talk) 12:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

(Added section heading) - Cucumber Mike (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. There's no specific reference attached to that sentence, so it's presumably the work of someone thinking through various "firsts" and making a mistake. I've removed that sentence from the USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77) article. — Lomn 15:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

From this side of the Atlantic, it seems a bit odd to name naval ships after politicians. Do they try to strike a balance between Republican and Democrat ships? Or does the party in power try to name as many ships after their own people as possible? Alansplodge (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It makes sense when the politician has made significant contributions to the military from a legislative standpoint; you can't fight if you can't get someone to pay for your ships. The best examples of this are Carl Vinson and John C. Stennis, both of whom chaired armed services committees in their respective houses and who both have carriers named after them in recognition. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't always that way though, and is rather a break from U.S. naval tradition. Traditionally, carriers were named after notable battles fought by the United States (e.g. Yorktown, Saratoga, Midway), ship names with a very long pedigree (e.g. Hornet, Enterprise) or aviation topics topics (e.g.Kitty Hawk, where the Wright Brother's flight occured or Langley, an aviation pioneer.) Morgan Riley (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I actually don't think the tradition was that strong, as it was violated right and left throughout history. The more famous WWII carriers definitely followed it. But there were 40-something Bogue-class carriers in WWII that were named after bays and sounds. James Forrestal (whose naval renown, I will argue, came almost entirely from his political role, as he spent his naval career flying a desk) got an entire class of carriers named after him in 1951. Out of ten Nimitz carriers, eight are named after people known mostly as politicians (with Eisenhower swinging both ways). At the very least I'd say that politicans-as-namesake has become part of the tradition rather than breaking it. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

List of US cities with population of 75,000 or more.

I would like to know if Wikipedia could generate a list of US cities with a population of at least 75,000. There is a list of cities with 100,000 or more, but I need to go a little further for a project I am working on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjeroh (talk • contribs) 13:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I think this (Excel file) is what you want - Annual Estimates of the Resident Population for Incorporated Places over 50,000, Ranked by July 1, 2011 Population: April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2011 (SUB-EST2011-01); a list of all places with over 50,000 people (2011 data). It's an easy job to trim it down to 75,000+ people: I get 436 cities when doing that. The file is from http://www.census.gov/popest/data/cities/totals/2011/index.html - there are further datasets that you might find useful. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Security features on Bangladesh identity cards

Hi,

According to [2]: "He said that the new [smart] card with 10 years’ durability and eight or nine security features would be hard to fake." But what I'd like to know is whether there are any security features in the current Bangladesh ID card.

Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 16:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

It depends on what you call a security feature. The cards are detailed here - there's a barcode, a coded ID number, a photograph, signature and various personal details. But they do not appear to have any electronic or magnetic security features. Warofdreams talk 14:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I was rather expecting non-electronic security features, like watermarks or holograms. But if there were any, I think it would have been mentioned in the IRB document you provide. Apokrif (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Employment Opportunities

What type of employment opportunities are in Denmark, if a person wants to relocate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.39.198 (talk) 19:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

First up, you probably need to deal with getting into Denmark for residence purposes. Denmark appears to have particularly strict immigration guidelines (though somewhat relaxed since their implementation in 2011); here is the portal for foreigners which includes a page on jobseeking in Denmark. As for what jobs, Denmark has a diverse modern economy with virtually anything available. — Lomn 20:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

To be more complete, Lomn, if you have a passport from one of the EU countries, you can be a resident without any limitation and can find any job you like (as long as an employer will have you). --Lgriot (talk) 09:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

@Lgriot: you are wrong on this one. Not every European is allowed to reside and work in Denmark without restrictions. Read the links above for the concrete regulations. OsmanRF34 (talk) 23:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Well I went to the portal for foreigners linked, and I read this sentence "EU/EEA citizens and Swiss citizens can reside in Denmark under the EU regulations on free movement." Do you have another quote that contradicts this?--Lgriot (talk) 09:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly the point: it doesn't say "can reside and work ." They cannot "find any job [they] like (as long as an employer will have [them])." You can see in the same source that different rules apply for citizens of Nordic countries, who do can reside and work without limitations. Borders still exist in the EU. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:58, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, there are countries outside Europe from which one might wish to relocate to Denmark. What advice are they given? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I read too fast, I though residence implied work (how are you supposed to pay for your rent?). From the "Work" page: If you are an EU/EEA citizen or Swiss citizen seeking residence in Denmark based on the EU regulations on freedom of movement, you may be subject to special rules'. Where can one find the special rules? This web site is difficult to use, I couldn't figure out if I qualify to be allowed to work as an EU citizen. --Lgriot (talk) 10:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

As an EU citizen you are entitled to go to Denmark, with any dependants, to seek work. If you have a profession or skill you will be particularly welcome. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

While the conditions are more relaxed for Nordic citizens, it seem to me the emphasis on work by Osman is a mistake since I don't see any mention of substantial restrictions on work. I also don't see any mention of special rules for work [3] here. I presume some jobs (lawyers, doctors, etc) have registration and other requirements which may not automatically transfer and in some cases may even be difficult to transfer. Similarly certain jobs like the armed forced or police may be restricted to nationals only [4]. However these could potentially also apply to Nordic citizens and are somewhat distinct from the issue of residence and the right to seek work in Denmark. The actual restrictions seem to be on residence i.e. the reside part which Osman did not emphasise. In particular, as outlined in that source, you can only stay for 3 months unless you are either looking for work (in which case you can stay for 6 months or longer if you can convince them you are genuinely seeking working and have a genuine opportunity for employment), have work, are retired or can convince the Danish authorities you can support yourself (whether in general or while studying). There are obviously people who are rich enough to support themselves including rent without needing to work. Note that the original EU policy is on the free movement of workers, see Freedom of movement for workers. While there is a policy on the free movement on people in general, it's more limited, see Free movement of people, Citizenship of the European Union and Directive 2004/38/EC on the right to move and reside freely. Note both the article on the free movement of workers and the Danish source have some discussion on the definition of 'worker', a key point since I don't think it was the intention that someone can work an hour a week in Denmark (or wherever in the EU), spent the rest of the time partying and take advantage of the free movement of workers (this may come under the broader allowance for the free movement of people if they can support themselves). This doesn't mean you can't take up such a job, simply that you need to either have another job or some other means to support yourself. The Danish source also mentions the obvious possibility people may be excluded if they've been deported or committed a crime. Nil Einne (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

March 19

What instruments can output to headphones?

I am thinking about learning a instrument, but I want one that can output to headphone (so I will be able to play shitty/crazy stuff without no one complaining or be able to play when people want to sleep....). So, what instruments can output to headphones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.179.77.154 (talk) 01:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Amplifiers usually have head[hone sockets, so anything that uses/can use an amplifier would be a good bet, such as an electric guitar. Failing that, anything which is inherently electric, such as a synthesizer, or electric piano. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 02:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

There are digital versions of many types of instrument, e.g. winds, strings, drums as well as the more obvious guitars and keyboards, so the world's your oyster, really. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.Anyway, is there a place I can find some list of instruments that need amps? PS: Forgot to add some extra rule, the instruments can't play loud sounds while I am striking it, or something else, because that would not fit on my original idea, while they would not hear the sounds from the headphones they would listen to the sounds of me playing the instrument.177.179.75.214 (talk) 11:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

We have a number listed at electric instrument. As for noise made while playing it: something like an electric drum set will be on the louder end, but there are basically no completely quiet conventional instruments. You'll be physically thumping around on guitar strings, piano keys, or whatever, so rather than "no noise", you'll probably want to determine whether something is "acceptable noise". Most stores that sell instruments will be happy to let a prospective buyer try stuff out, so that you can determine first-hand just how loud things will be. Or, you can go with a theremin. — Lomn 15:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

If you've never learnt an instrument before, and you want to play silently, the keyboard is an obvious choice. You should be able to find good ones second hand. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes the instrument dont need to be completely silent, just have "acceptable noise". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.179.75.214 (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Starting with a piano is a good idea for several reasons, not only because it matches your constrain. OsmanRF34 (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The electronic keyboard is a good first musical instrument because you can learn to read sheet music as you go along, because you can learn about harmony as well as melody, because the sounds you make at the beginning won't be unpleasant (they might be with the violin), because you can have fun making the sounds of various instruments, and because there is a lot of sheet music and a lot of beginner books written for the piano/keyboard. The downside is that it is bulky. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

White Noise Theory Article

Hi, I recently posted an article on the band White Noise Theory and I got a reply with a "non-notable". Why that? they exist.I can't understand why I'd get a label like that and others in Wikipedia have NEVER been notable and get a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1remains (talk • contribs) 01:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

See WP:BAND for the criteria we use to assess the notability of bands. The Help Desk is a better place for this sort of question. Tevildo (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Non-notable does not mean non-existent. I exist but I'm not notable enough for an article here. The same is true for many people/places/things/etc. Dismas|^(talk) 05:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

As others have said this isn't really the place. But while I don't know what the article you created is like, the article for creation you created here Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/White Noise Theory has a sum total of zero reliable secondary sources, let alone any covering the article in sufficient depth to establish the band is notable. There isn't even anything in the article which would lead one to believe the band is notable. Therefore even if the band is notable, we have no way of knowing it. This was all basically told to you when the article for creation was reviewed so you should already know what the problem is. Nil Einne (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is "the wiki way" (OK, that's just an excuse to use the photo I took last week!) - but for an article on a band to be acceptable, you need to prove that they pass the "notability" criteria in WP:BAND. It's not enough to say "Band 'X' is obviously more notable than band 'Y' who already have a Wikipedia article." It might be that band Y is also not notable enough and shouldn't have an article about them and that it will eventually be noticed by someone who cares enough to get it deleted. That error for band 'Y' isn't grounds for making another similar mistake for band 'X'. But it's more than that. If both X and Y are equally notable - but you can't find proof of that notability in external publications that Wikipedia finds acceptable - then it could very well be that band X doesn't get the article it deserves while Y does - just because there is verifiable evidence that Y is notable. The problem is that our standard for acceptability isn't "TRUTH" it's "VERIFIABILITY". If we can't verify something in an external source - then we can't use it, even if it's "TRUE". SteveBaker (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It's even simpler than what SteveBaker says above. Here's what makes a subject (any subject at all) worthwhile to have its own Wikipedia article: Is there enough reliable, independent source text to create a decent article about it? That's all you need to know. There needs to be stuff that's reliable (that is published in trustworthy sources) and it needs to have been written independently from the subject itself (that is, we need to see that people are writing about the band, not that the band is writing about itself). Wikipedia articles are built by citing those reliable, independent sources. If enough source material doesn't exist, then there's nothing to use to create an article from. It's that simple. --Jayron32 02:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Unknown structure inside Mississippi river

History of the river channels near ORCS

Is this structure natural or artifical ? -- Juergen 91.52.187.117 (talk) 05:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a natural spit to me; I can't see why anyone would want to build an artificial one there.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, that whole area is part of the Old River Control Structure complex. The smaller waterway is probably man-made, or at least significantly enhanced by the Corps of Engineers, and there appear to be dredging operations underway there, so I would expect that the spit is also a man-made breakwater. That's the point at which the Mississippi is attempting to change course away from New Orleans to divert down the Atchafalaya River, and there's a whole industry devoted to engineering the river to prevent that transition. — Lomn 13:14, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like that little bank of stone is supposed to help divert water from the main river up the auxiliary - which looks like it requires about a 300° turn. I wonder why they choose to build it at that location and angle. Looks like it would be more effective to add water to the river than to remove it which is apparently its purpose (flood diversion).Rmhermen (talk) 16:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't think it's all that important for inflow considerations; if the structure is open, water will flow downward more quickly to the west than to the south without caring overmuch about the precise shape of the bank. Rather, I expect that the purpose is to shift the fastest part of the river current (which tends toward the inner edge of a bend) farther from the opening to help barge traffic stay clear of the structure. Grounded barges partially blocking the original structure helped contribute to its near-failure in the Mississippi Flood of 1973. — Lomn 18:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about that particular structure, but I've seen similar-looking things on the Missouri river that were intended to change water flow so that the river would not eat into the bank at a particular spot. Looie496 (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thats called a Groyne Sitethief~_{talk to me}~ 18:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

For a great read about these control structures and the attempts to tell the Mississippi what to do, I highly recommend John McPhee's The Control of Nature (ISBN 0374522596). (It also deals with controlling lava in Iceland and controlling debris flows in Los Angeles.) --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 14:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

For those interested, the portion specific to the Mississippi is available from the New Yorker's site. — Lomn 15:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Along with most of his wonderful writing. I like the books 'cause I can read them in the tub. Sure wish someone would come up with a waterproof (and heatproof and soapproof) e-reader! --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 16:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hitler Headgear

What is Hitler wearing in this gif? Dismas|^(talk) 05:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

An extraordinary bit of footage. I didn't realize how old the using-the-back-as-a-table bit was. If you knew nothing about Hitler, you could swear he's a football player signing an autograph for a fan: "To Fritz, Best Wishes, Adolf #1". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a Flight helmet, apparently just like thus one. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 08:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Dismas|^(talk) 08:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

NON - CONFIDENCE MOTION

sir in any law whether for moving non confidence motion likely in a board of 8 members and need 2/3 of 8 members to move non- confidence motion which comes to 5.33 members. then how many members will be needed to move non confidence motion whether it is 5 or 6? please reply with any ruling or any evidence support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.165.77 (talk) 12:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It will depend on the relevant operating rules of the board. Speaking generally, though, 5/8 is conventionally interpreted as "less than two thirds", and so I would expect 6 votes necessary to constitute 2/3rds assuming that all 8 votes are cast. Given absences or abstentions, though, 5 votes of 7 or 4 votes of 6 could also be sufficient. But again, this is entirely dependent on the particular rules used by the particular group in question. Those rules might say, for instance, that the number of required fractional votes is rounded to the nearest whole number of votes, in which case 5 of 8 could constitute the 2/3rds required. — Lomn 13:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

See Supermajority and Parliamentary procedure for our relevant articles. Tevildo (talk) 13:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hellboy II - The Golden Army

In the titular movie, there is a scene in an auction house, where people in suits (I assume they are employees of the house) are recording the crowd of people who came to the auction with handheld video cameras and their feed is projected to big screens facing the crownd. Long story short, why? Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l784ppxEpu4

193.224.66.230 (talk) 15:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

March 20

Music Artist with the most fans of all time?

Which music artist, current or historical, had the most (greatest number) fans during their careers? Many websites put the Beatles as #1, but I'm inclined to think it's Teresa Teng due to the sheer population volume of Asian countries that revered her. Acceptable (talk) 01:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Define your criteria! Do fans mean people buying her records or attending her concerts? Something else? We do not make windows into men's souls. μηδείς (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It's not a perfect metric, but List of best-selling music artists has some ways to quantify this. --Jayron32 02:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

those seem US/English language centric? Gzuckier (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Umm_Khultum#Death_and_funeral? Gzuckier (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I had heard that this honour was held by Asha Bhosle from the Bollywood side. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Right tool for the job ?

I need to remove a zip tie from a bundle of wires. Unfortunately, it's very tight, leaving no room to get the blade from a pair of scissors under it. The zip tie is also much tougher than the wires, so I'm worried about damaging them. I can only get a pin or needle underneath the zip tie. I also considered cutting off the place where the zip tie joins with itself, but that's even thicker and tougher. Do I need to use bolt cutters on this spot ? StuRat (talk) 08:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Can't those things be loosened if you pull the end of the tie sort of downward? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

The end of the tie was cut off. StuRat (talk) 09:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

My description might not be great here, but bear with me - it works... Right, the square housing for the zip tie contains a gap for the tail to go through, and the ratchet style flap that hangs down and digs into the teeth of the ziptie itself... If you can get the blade of a knife UNDER the flap, you should be able to lift it up from the teeth and thus free the tail to fall out... Does that make sense?! Alternatively, if there is anyway of pulling one of the wires out (If they are wires for plugs, maybe take the plug off the end of the wire (if you know how to) and then pull the wire through. This should create enough space to slide some scisors into... Hope either of these methods help... gazhiley 10:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try that. StuRat (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't need a knife, I've done this before with a small flatnose screwdriver, you're basically holding up the ratchet which holds the cable tie in place. Our article actually mentions this method. Nil Einne (talk) 23:08, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

i have better luck with something like a needle or pin or safety pin or hatpin. Gzuckier (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Presumably the zip tie is running orthogonal to the cables, no? I would try using just the very tip of a pair of wire cutters, slipping the blades just between two of the cables. You should have just enough room to at least nick the zip tie repeatedly and eventually cut it. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried this, the zip tie slips out without making a nick. StuRat (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Unless it is a thick zip tie made with harder plastic, you should be able to cut right through the square connector with a pair of side cutters. I've also just squeezed the connector with pliers and twisted - it breaks surprisingly easily, and shouldn't damage the wires. 38.111.64.107 (talk) 11:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep - I second that. 196.214.78.114 (talk) 11:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It is a thick zip tie made of harder plastic. StuRat (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't scoring it with a Stanley knife or razor blade do the trick? You can be very precise with it. --Dweller (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

One slip and I'd damage the wires. StuRat (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

How about taking a pair of needle-nose pliers and basically twisting and turning the "buckle" part until it breaks. Then the whole thing should fall apart and free up the wires. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:38, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Wrap the bundle with a piece of paper near the tie, then slide the tie over the paper sleave and melt it with a hot razor blade. Or put the bundle in an oven set at 200 F until the plastic gets soft enough to stretch, and then cut. Increase temperature by small increments if that is not hot enough. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Boiling is an alternative to ovening. μηδείς (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

i see you're familiar with my wife's cooking Gzuckier (talk) 18:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

What I normally do is use a knife with a sharp blade that ends in a simple acute-angled point (no fancy overhangs or bevels), hold the knife so that the back of the blade is against the cable and perpendicular to it, and gently push against the tie-wrap. If the knife is sharp enough, it can cut through the tie-wrap in one go - if not, it'll at least distort it sufficiently so that you can get a pair of side-cutters between the cable and tie-wrap. If you think there might be a risk of damaging the cable with the back of the knife, slip a thin piece of plastic under the tie-wrap where you're going to cut it. Tevildo (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

rub the tie with grease from highly spiced meat and infest with rats Gzuckier (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, one can perform (and one has performed) Bugs' procedure (twist the ratchet until it breaks) with one's teeth if no suitable tools are available. Tevildo (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

another alternative; get something with a curved or hooked blade where the inside is the sharp side, like a linoleum knife, or I believe there are xacto knife blades like that, and insert the tip of the knife under the tie between the wires so you're pulling out. Gzuckier (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

In this situation John McClane usually chooses to break some glass, barefoot of course, and proceed to cut the zipties, behind his back for good effect. If glass isn't available perhaps there's some scrap metal doubling as gold bullion that you could fashion into a lever. Shadowjams (talk) 18:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Use a wire cutters to cut the buckle crossways. It will destroy the locking mechanism while not harming the wires. Dismas|^(talk) 00:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: I found a way to do what I needed with the wire bundle without removing the zip tie. I will keep all these suggestions in mind for the next time the issue comes up, though. Thanks ! StuRat (talk) 03:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

March 21

Duplicated people in very old photos

Hello, a while back I saw some old photographs, I think online, but possibly in print. I think they were related to the USA civil war, but they could also be any old (i.e. ~1850-1900-ish) group photos. Because of the very long exposure times (or maybe some type of tracking shot or slit-scan?), people figured out that they could appear on both ends of the wide shot photograph by running behind the photographer to the other side of the group (after they'd already been registered in their first location). Can anyone help me track down some instances of this available online? Thanks, SemanticMantis (talk) 19:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

After more searching, I've found this [5] example, though it is much more recent that what I'd found previously (it even mentions the use of an old-at-the-time camera). Still interested in older examples. SemanticMantis (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

It's not all that antiquated. Or maybe it is. But as recently as 1969, someone did that on my junior high class picture -- panoramic pictures required a rotating lens setup. See Widelux. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 20:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Still in use in the late 1980s on our class Washington, DC trip. Rmhermen (talk) 20:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Holy crap. We had a teacher do the same thing during OUR Washington, DC class trip in 1989. Weird. Yeah, I have a picture stashed away someone, a panoramic picture, and one of the teachers ran from one side to the other to end up in the photograph twice. --Jayron32 22:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Happened in my school trip to D.C. in 1995. I think we might be on to something here :) Ditch ∝ 22:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to get off subject here, but there was a recent T.V. show about some old photograph in a library where the method used to take the picture produced an effect where, when zooming in with modern methods, very, very small details in the background could be clearly seen, similar to what we have now with digital photography. Anyway, just an aside if your interested in such things. I'll see if I can find a link. Ditch ∝ 22:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I can't find a copy online but at the George Eastman Museum in Rochester, New York, there is such a photo where, if I remember right, Eastman himself appears at both ends of a panoramic staff photo. Dismas|^(talk) 23:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Assuming you're right, then the technique could have easily been around during the US civil war. SemanticMantis (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks all. This is a difficult concept to search for, and I'm still interested in other old examples or further info. I only found my link above by using the 'wrong' term: "double exposure"! Perhaps specific photographic terms would help. From what I can tell from the links above, this process must be similar to slit-scan, in that different portions of the film are exposed at different times. But this panorama technique is also different, because either the lens (newer) or the camera (older) must also move in order to allow for "duplicate people." SemanticMantis (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

yeah, it's pretty well known that with current camera/phones that have the panaromic thing which takes a shot, you rotate a bit and align the marks, takes another shot, etc. you can do that sort of thing, even accidentally. I have a totally inadvertent shot of a street with 4 identical women pushing identical strollers. Gzuckier (talk) 15:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

People who never grow up

Back in college, there was a young lady who always ate by herself in the cafeteria, and who had the appearance of a 12-13 year old, prepubescent girl. We (my friends and I) assumed at first that she was the child of a professor, but then we would see her around campus in some of our classes, so we realized she was a student. One day my friend (male) approached her in the cafeteria and invited her to eat with us (a group of males and females). I can assure you this was a perfectly friendly invitation because we felt bad that she always ate alone (though, I’ll admit we were also curious to find out her story). She declined. My friend then mentioned that she looked too young to be in college (an inappropriate comment in my opinion, but he didn’t mean in that way…I think he thought she was some sort of child prodigy or something). She responded that she was in fact 19 years old, but had a developmental disease where she would never mature, and that she didn’t like to talk about it because she attracted “weirdos.” The insinuation was that she considered my friend to be in this category. So that was the end of their conversation. So, my question is, what was her likely condition? “Never mature” seems unlikely. Perhaps she meant “slow to mature”? Also, her comment about attracting “weirdos” intrigues me. Would a person with pedophilic tendencies, in the traditional sense, actually desire a relationship with a person who looked like a child, but with the mind of and adult? I think “no”…but it’s become a point of contention in a recent discussion after I repeated this story. Others say that this would be, perhaps, the most desirable situation- the “best of both worlds” if you will (not for her, but for the pedophile). I think this is totally off base. Sorry, I know this is a weird set of questions. Ditch ∝ 22:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Maybe a type of Growth hormone deficiency? --Jayron32 22:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I have known people who had the physical appearance of a middle-schooler in their mid-20s, without any disease to blame it on. If you had a situation like that, combined with a growth defect that caused a very small/slight stature, that could easily produce phenotype you describe. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Being of small stature myself I tend to attract others similarly built, and I have two friends who are very similar in height (4ft 9in) and looks. One is physiologically normal, the other has many medical conditions, one of which is Hashimoto's thyroiditis which she has had from a child. So "her likely condition" could be anything - or nothing. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Kallmann's Syndrome, perhaps? Tevildo (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A related case, though more extreme, is Brooke Greenberg, who, though 20 years old, still looks and acts like a toddler. Doctors just call her medical situation "Syndrome X." Nicky Freeman, mentioned in Brooke's article, the 40-year-old Australian man who still looks like a boy, may be closer to what you're talking about. 20.137.2.50 (talk) 13:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Turner syndrome causes girls to mature very slowly, I know a 16 year old who looks about 9-10. She is short, prepubescent and has a few distinctive facial features. Roger (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

March 22

Odd architectural design in France

I recently travelled past the building in this picture. While not common, I did see some other examples of this kind of thing elsewhere in the region. What possible reason would you have for extending upper floor rooms out in such a manner and supporting them on slender concrete columns? I can imagine perhaps doing it if built on a steep hill or over a cliff, but the examples I saw (including the one in my example) were in relatively flat areas. Astronaut (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if it's a zoning/taxation issue. For example, if they are assessed based on the square footage of the ground floor, this approach might make sense. StuRat (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Is that a watercourse at the bottom right of the picture? It might be a protection against potential flooding. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 10:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It's relatively common in English Tudor houses, where the arrangement was known as a jetty. The exact reasoning behind building houses like this seems to have been lost, but it certainly offers the benefit of a wider space in the street below (especially when houses are built right up to the street edge), as well as meaning that a larger living area can be placed on a plot of a given size. This would be an advantage in the medieval cities where space was at a premium and the cost per square foot quite high. As Stu mentions, if the tax was based on the size of the plot, that would be an additional incentive to keep the ground floor as small as possible and put the largest space above.

As for the house in your picture, though, I can't see any particular feature necessitating a small ground floor, and since it seems to be in the country I doubt if land prices are the reason. As it looks a relatively modern house (at least the upper parts do - maybe C20th additions?) my own money would be on the design simply being like that for its own, aesthetic, sake. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 11:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It's on top of a river that swells dramatically when the snows melt. The house is squeezed between the highway and the river; it must be a thrilling view to be atop the big river when it's roaring. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 14:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, cancel that! From fr:Livet-et-Gavet, translated by Google: "the office of Charles Albert Keller, from which he could observe all of its workshops and factories located on both sides of the river.". Keller was a 20th century industrialist; his factories produced calcium carbide for acetylene. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

va benifits

I was in the u.s. department of commerce coast and geodetic survey, I would like to know if I'm eligble for veterans hospital benifits? I was in from june 1961 to sept. 1963. thanks1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.116.40 (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You can check your VA benefits elegibility HERE. It looks like it requires that you are a veteran of either active or reserve duty military. Livewireo (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

March 23

Company Wurth Illinois Inc. Bensonville, Il.

I worked for a company in Bensonville, Il. from 1990 to 1993, I know the corporation has been closed, but I need proof that the corporation disolved. As a manager, I had a company cellular phone, and was allowed to keep the service, but know the carrier wants proof that the company no longer exisit, so I can now place the phone in my name.66.94.205.192 (talk) 01:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The Illinois Chamber of Commerce web site lists them as still existing -- see http://il.chamberocommerce.com/member/6355309/Wurth_Illinois_Inc_400_Eastern_Ave_Bensenville_IL_60106. The web page gives a phone number -- you can try calling it for more information, I guess. Looie496 (talk) 02:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Scaring your kids

What kinds of real or fictional critters do parents/babysitters in western Europe invoke to scare kids in order to make them behave? In the English-speaking world, I know, the Boogieman is the most commonly invoked for this purpose; in Russia, it's variously Baba-Yaga, the wolves, the owls, or (less commonly) a mythical, presumably wolverine-like creature called the Dzhomolunga; and in some gangster families, according to urban legends, it's Kaiser Soze. So what equivalent critters do they scare their kids with in western Europe (France, the Netherlands, etc.)? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 05:09, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Huh? How does Mount Everest scare anyone? Particularly someone in Russia? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 05:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

• The fear of snipers? I dunno. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Original research: This has to do with my father's nanny, who was reportedly a well-educated woman with lots of miscellaneous knowledge (frankly, I think she might have been a geography teacher out of a job). Anyway, her favorite phrase that she'd tell him was, "If you don't behave yourself, the Dzhomolunga will get you!" And while we're at it, how would a preschooler know that Dzhomolunga is the Chinese name for Mount Everest? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 05:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you link the word to Mount Everest above because you were told that it has that connotation when used to scare children, or because you knew separately that it (or something that sounds sorta like it) is the Chinese name for the mountain? If the latter, that link is very misleading because, as you point out, no non-Chinese pre-schooler would ever make the mental association (and probably very few Chinese ones either). Fwiw, I checked with my ex-wife, a native Russian speaker, and it meant nothing to her. I know from hanging around Russians for ages that many families have their own made-up names for all manner of things, names that would mean nothing to anyone outside the family, and my gut tells me this Dzhomolunga thing is in that category. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you not notice your first linked article includes somewhat unsourced mentions of France, Netherlands, Germany.... Nil Einne (talk) 06:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I've just read through it -- in the Netherlands, they would scare their kids with "Black Peter", and in France, with the "Hand-Cruncher". So this article more-or-less answered my question. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 06:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

How about an unspecified "monster" ? StuRat (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

In Bern, Switzerland there is a fountain dedicated to Der de:Kinderfresser who eats children (Note: The English interlanguage link from that article comes back to Boogieman but then doesn't mention Kinderfresser). And slightly off topic, as a teacher of moral lessons there is Struwwelpeter. Dismas|^(talk) 07:05, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

One time i was thte airport and a woman told a kid to behave or THAT MAN (pointing at me) is going to hurt you (or get you or take you away, i can't recall exactly what she said). She was a complete stranger. I felt very wronged.--There goes the internet (talk) 08:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It could have been worse. What if you were one of her kids? Wouldn't that suck, big time? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The aurora borealis, or northern lights were and still are used to scare Inuit children. The belief is that if you whistle the lights will come down and chop off your head, and possibly play soccer with them. When I was a kid it was the Romani people, called Gypsies then. Sometimes you hear parents tell kids that if they don't behave "that man" or the more direct Kabloonak (non-Inuit), is going to get them. It's usually aimed at an authority figure, which is great because it excludes me, such a RCMP, teacher, government official or store worker. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Boogieman? Nope. Bogeyman was the UK spelling. I found this cool site for you. When I was a girl I was told the policeman would come and take me away if I misbehaved. And of course there's the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:23, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

In French Canada, the scary creature who takes away misbehaving children is called the "Bonhomme Sept-Heures" ("Seven o'clock Man"), which is supposedly a corruption of the English "bonesetter", who became a creature of fear because his work made people scream in pain. In France, there is the "croque-mitaine" [6] as a generic term for this type of scary creature. I see they're both listed in the bogeyman article, which has a number of other examples from around the world. --Xuxl (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 19:20, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Krampus --Viennese Waltz 22:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

• My mother always simply warned us, "Wait til your father gets home!" μηδείς (talk) 01:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Car Insurance in the UK

Sorry for this off beat question but I don't know where else I might find an answer. I believe that some car insurance companies offer a discounted price if the car has a device that films the journey, giving continuous GPS location details, vehicle speed, direction, and will automatically call for help in event of an accident. What I want to know is which companies offer such policy discounts. I have such a programme on my iPhone called 'Witness' which I can highly recommend. Can anyone help please?85.211.138.47 (talk) 12:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

A quick search on the standard price comparison sites would seem to indicate that lots of insurance companies operate such a system - "telematics" is a useful search term. It looks as though you'll need to use a tracker box that's installed/approved by the insurance company, rather than using your own, though. Tevildo (talk) 12:40, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Chrome

Moved to Computing desk. Tevildo (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Betray

If I were to write a sentence like this: "He tried to hide his anger and failed, his irritation betraying itself by the sound of the keyboard being hit too violently." Would 'by' be the correct preposition here? With? At? 14.99.179.58 (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I would say "in" - a quick google search gives us examples from Elizabeth Gaskell ([7]) and Nietzsche ([8]) Tevildo (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You have one word too many for the sentence structure to be coherent. Try "He tried to hide his anger and failed, betrayed by the sound of the keyboard being hit too violently." "By" is the correct preposition here, and only choice. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 21:09, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

"Through" or "via" would also work, I think, but really the sentence feels awkward regardless. It's one of those cases where an active construction with the weight carried by noungs and verbs would work better than a passive construction with the weight carried by an adjective: "He tried to hide his anger, but the crash of his fingers striking the keyboard betrayed it." Looie496 (talk) 21:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

By and in or even through are okay, but as an American I would use with, second to by. Via also works but sounds very forced. μηδείς (talk) 22:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Only "by" works in the version I gave. In the original version, nothing really works. It is an apparently reflexive costruction with a second agent tagged on, compounded by the fact that the recepient should be "he", the subject of the sentence. The irritation is first "betrayed" by itself, and then by the playing. Big problems all around.

Obviously an attempt at a word for word translation from another language, carried out with the help of a dictionary and an imperfect understanding of English grammar, especially the use of grammatical voices. I suspect that the foreign word translated by "betrayed" here means something more like "reveal" or "show". My guess is that the OP picked the wrong option from the dictionary.

As a matter of fact, if you substitute "revealed" for "betrayed" in the orginal sentence, it almost works.... if translated word for word into Polish, but not English. I suspect the OP's own language (he's apparently from India) has an instrumental case and handles grammatical voices a lot more like a highly inflected language such as Polish than a minimally inflected one such as English. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 01:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I tend to agree "by" is needed in your sentence, but it's not the one the OP gave, is it? His was workable, and he had various options, some better than others, to convey the instrumental case. μηδείς (talk) 01:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

please give me legal advice

obvious trolling, sufficiently answered
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I asked for legal advice on the reference desk of Wikipedia, and they gave me advice, and it turned out badly. Can I sue wikipedia? They gave me medical advice as well. Can I sue them for malpractice. This didn't really happen it's just a hypothetical question.--There goes the internet (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC) bonus question: has anyone ever try to sue wikipedia.--There goes the internet (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC) You can sue anyone you like. You can sue the milkman for delivering one bottle instead of the two you ordered. But whether you'll be successful is another matter entirely. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC) why would be unlikely to be unsucessful. i followed there advice and it ruined my life and i can prove it.--There goes the internet (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2013 (UTC) We can't answer this question. Hypothetical or not...but in any case, I did what the people on the internet said I should do probably isn't likely to be such a great defense. It might be right up there with I was drunk and thought the kid was another person at the party. --Onorem♠Dil 00:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC) (a) Yes, which is why you're not allowed to ask that sort of question. (b) See List of litigation involving the Wikimedia Foundation. Tevildo (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC) thank you that is an interesting article. it doesn't sound like wikipedia ever had to cough up any money to the people who sued it! not even once! they must have good lawyer and things like this.--There goes the internet (talk) 00:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is a source of information. It is not a source of advice; users should not be accessing it on that basis, and editors should not be responding to questions on that basis. If anyone here does recommend a course of action, and you decide to follow it, and it doesn't go well, you would have no more comeback than if you'd asked some passing random stranger in the street the same question and accepted their advice blindly. You are responsible for your life; the passing random stranger is not, and anyone at Wikipedia is not. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 01:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC) it doesnt sound like wikipedia would be in much danger if u answered a few legal advice question. like when has anyone ever sue them and won? very few times, if ever. but i still think it's a good policy because its unethical to give ppl advice if u dont know wut youre talking about.--There goes the internet (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC) Has anyone sued Wikipedia and won is fine as a question. Can I sue Wikipedia in (random case) is not fine as a question. --Onorem♠Dil 00:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

crash landing search

Few years ago, a pilot crash landed a fighter plane. The nose and most of the cockpit had disintegrated when the plane came to the halt. Somewhat uncertain details are: plane was Harrier, landed on an american highway, and the picture depicted a rescue man helping him open the seatbelts. The pilot's face was bloody. I have been incessantly trying to hunt that image and details about that incident but I cannot find it. The image was particularly shocking because the pilot seemed alive even when most of the fwd part of the plane had disintegrated around him. Are there any military/airforce/airplane enthusiasts who remember that incident? —  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 02:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)