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May 21

Four mosques in St. Cloud, Minnesota

This article [[1]] says that this city has four mosques. Is there a website that shows the names of the mosques in St. Cloud, Minnesota? Please and thanks. Donmust90 (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)Donmust90Donmust90 (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

That article says "In April, the former Good News Assembly of God church at 712-17th Ave. S was converted into a mosque and classrooms for the growing Muslim population in the city. The building is the former Garfield Elementary School. The site is St. Cloud's fourth mosque; others are located on Fifth Avenue South, Fourth Avenue South and Third Street North." Given those facts, it shouldn't be hard to find the others, via Google Maps or whatever. St. Cloud is not a particularly large city. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The one on Fourth Avenue South is called the "Central Minnesota Islamic Center" according to this page. This page lists a number of other Islamic prayer facilities in Saint Cloud (in a grocery store, a computer repair shop, a butcher's and a dentist's office), but no other mosques as far as I can tell. Alansplodge (talk) 10:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Donmust90, the city has a web site with contact details here. You could call them and ask them. That seems like the simplest way to find out from my perspective. I didn't see anything on the site that listed religious buildings in the town. I might start with the Mayor's office. Dismas|^(talk) 14:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I was able to find the mosque on 5th Avenue S. but I haven't found the one on 3rd St. North. Does anyone know the name or the address? Please and thanks. Donmust90 (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Donmust90Donmust90 (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Reason for Xiamen – Shenzhen – Seattle flight route

What's the reason for this[2] strange Xiamen-Shenzhen-Seattle flight route? Its great circle route looks like this[3] which is pretty inefficient considering since the first leg is almost like doubling-back. How come it's not Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle instead? Johnson&Johnson&Son (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

XiamenAir is based in Xiamen. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 09:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

So I'd expect a transfer in Xiamen … —Tamfang (talk) 06:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Made up numbers: The plane holds 300 people. 10 people mostly Westerners would want to go Xiamen-Seattle at $1000 which is a reasonable markup from a major Chinese city of similar distance for Xiamen's size and high enough from the airline's point of view. The rest are not wealthy (mostly Chinese) and couldn't afford reasonable profit. They could find 300 people who'll pay the market price of $800 to go Shenzhen-Seattle. They could find 300 people who'd pay the market price of $100 to go Xiamen-Shenzhen. If Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle then revenue is 800*290+1000*10=242000. If Xiamen-Shenzhen-Seattle then revenue is 10*1000+290*100+290*800=271000 or 12% more. This might cover the cost to fly backwards because Xiamen is not far from Shenzhen. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Your explanation seems incomplete as you only mentioned cost and a 3 airport route. Most commercial airline routes, including this one (look at the itinerary) are return on the same route (by which mean the airports, not the precise routing). Whether Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle or Xiamen-Shenzhen-Seattle theoretically people can be sold all 3 routes you mentioned, Xiamen-Shenzhen, Xiamen-Seattle and Shenzhen-Seattle. However timing will be different, so one option may be more convienent/more likely to be used than the other. (Notably, if Xiamen-Seattle is rare or non existant, people may be willing to use it despite it being non direct. But if Shenzen to Seattle is more common, people may be more reluctant to use a non direct route.) People may be annoyed if Xiamen-Seattle costs more than Shenzen-Seattle if the airline is going Shenzen-Xiamen-Seattle, however airlines have ways to discourage people from skipping out midway through a longer booked flight. And it's not like different costing those arise with your suggested pricing anyway. Depending on Chinese law and the interaction with the US, it's also possible that they can't sell tickets or probably more likely that they will not be able to get permission to operate one route but will be able to for the other. I suspect a key point is that mentioned by Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM, Xiamen is the base so if it's the same route the airline will generally start and finish in Xiamen. In other words, Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle as a single route is never likely. They could operate 2 different routes, but there could be a variety of reasons such as those mentioned to operate a single route. Nil Einne (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

The simple answer, for which I have no evidence, is that there is an agreement between the US and the PRC for a flight between Shenzhen and Seattle, but there isn't one for a flight between Xiamen and Seattle. DOR (HK) (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Hijacking PRC airliners to gain political asylum in Taiwan

Is there an article/book/web page where I can read more about incident like these[4][5]? Rather than seeking out individual incidents, I'm mostly interested in the overview of the situation and overall statistics, i.e. number of hijackings per year, success/failure rates, etc. Something similar to List of Cuba–United States aircraft hijackings would be perfect.

I checked Category:Airliner_accidents_and_incidents_caused_by_hijacking but most of these PRC-ROC incident aren't covered. Only 1990 Guangzhou Baiyun airport collisions is covered.Johnson&Johnson&Son (talk) 08:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Found List of aircraft hijackings, but still it only mentions the two prominent ones i.e. the first one, and the one where lots of people died. Johnson&Johnson&Son (talk) 08:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

This book on page 86 provides statistics for 1982-1990. More recent period is covered here, pages 38-39, although somewhat briefly. Brandmeister^talk 13:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The general article for defections to Taiwan is Anti-Communist Martyrs, which is a bit brief. The Chinese language version has more details, focused on military aircraft and boats. Before 1989, the defections were mostly by military personnel using military planes. The Chinese language article on that is at zh:國軍與解放軍間的駕機叛逃事件, which seems comprehensive. In terms of defectors hijacking civilian aircraft, even Chinese Wikipedia does not seem to have a list, only individual articles: zh:中国民航296号航班劫机事件 for the 1983 hijacking to Korea, zh:中華航空334號班機劫機事件 for the 1986 hijacking to China, zh:中國國際航空905號班機劫機事件 for the 1998 hijacking to Taiwan, and zh:中國民航981號班機劫機事件 for the 1989 hijacking to Korea/Japan. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

don't get it...

Hey there, I have seen girls profile on ask.fm and other platforms. The girls are getting questions like "do you use tanga?" or something like "have you ever kicked a man in his balls?". I know and i am really sure, that the persons which ask this, are getting hot. Why does somebody gets sexually stimulated if a girls tell him that she is using tanga? I have always asked myself this. Is this fetish maybe something special called or a proof for some head problems or psychologically problems? --Ip80.123 (talk) 23:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Which Tanga are they talking about? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Maybe it's the Masochism Tanga. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Based on the OP's speculation, I would imagine it's Targin. A look in the history of Drugs and prostitution might prove informative. Tevildo (talk) 08:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

It takes two to tanga. KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 10:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

dear User:JackofOz as much I figured out the girl don't get more details question which tanga. The questioner just jerk off immediately when the girl tells him that she use tangas (the guys are just 13 years or over 60s) and any further question seems to be unecessary. But this is really a good question, what kind of tanga the girl is using. The girl gets only more questions if she says NO, than she gets questions like "why not?" or "do you own even a tanga?" or something like this from the pervert guys. --Ip80.123 (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

In which case it probably only takes one to tanga. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Tanga (clothing), in that case. Tevildo (talk) 14:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

May 22

circumvent the Jones Act by Hawaii/Alaska-Vancouver-Seattle

Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920 says: "There are, of course, ways to circumvent the Jones Act by making a stop in a foreign country between two US ports, i.e. Hawaii/Alaska-Vancouver-Seattle." Is this actually true? Kinda hard to believe that such an obvious loophole would be still valid after all these years. Johnson&Johnson&Son (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

This article discusses the loophole in the context of major cruise ships. A cruise ship serving only US ports must fly the US flag. There is only one such ship, the Pride of America, which operates in Hawaii, a very long distance from any foreign port. I spent a week on that ship three years ago. All the other cruise ships that call at US ports also call at ports in Canada, Mexico or non-US Carribean ports, and fly flags of other nations. So, what you describe is standard operating procedure. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

How would you amend it? —Tamfang (talk) 06:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The article makes it clear that there is non-negligible support for repealing the Act entirely, so it's not surprising the "loophole" is still there. Opponents of the Act would likely oppose efforts to close it. Also, taking advantage of the "loophole" isn't free. It's not like, say, a tax loophole, which often can be taken advantage of with nothing more than a little accounting or legal deftness. Adjusting a freighter's scheduled route certainly has costs; the carrier will only do so if there's a net benefit. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 06:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

What happened to the nightclub(s) in Russia where naked men swim in fish tanks?

Were they closed by Putin's anti-gay laws? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Surely not if the fish are all female. Someone must check on that... Wnt (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's a source about naked women swimming in casino fish tanks at some point with Putin in office. [6] Sorry, it's not really close enough... Ah, but here's one about naked men and it specifies a club Chance in Moscow. [7] Not sure when that's set... here's a confirmation, for 1997, when OMON was already being a problem but not a fatal one. [8] Hmmm, from this it sounds like it was more damaging than that. I'm not sure from that description whether it passed 2001 or not. This 2013 source [9] seems to suggest that they are not a factor - it says the only remnant of that "era" is a weekly event at a club called Propaganda, anyway. Wnt (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The Russain experiment in question came to a tragic end when someone introduced snapping turtles into the tank. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Has there ever been an external tariff?

With protectionism back in the news in regard to alleged dumping (pricing policy) of steel by China, I find myself wondering once again -- has a country ever attempted a protectionist policy where the tariff is not collected as revenue inside the country, but is required to be collected by the exporter to be spent or returned to vulnerable groups?

For example, instead of putting an import tariff on US steel, the US might require that China collect a tax on exported steel, and earmark the money it generates to fund pollution control measures on coal power plants. Or the Ivory Coast might be required to tax chocolate exports and contribute the money to an international nonprofit that gives money to slave or exploited labor. (The US could collect and disburse the tax; having the exporter do it would simply be a way to illustrate that the US has no interest in touching the money, only in seeing fair circumstances) I'm thinking such taxes might be explained in terms of uncompensated externalities in the exporting country due to policy differences, and forcing that country to collect and dispense the tax would be seen as forcing a level playing field by pricing in equivalent spending on safety and fairness.

But have they ever been enacted anywhere? Does the idea even exist? Wnt (talk) 14:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I doubt it... It would be unenforceable. Blueboar (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

@Blueboar: Why do you say that? I'd think it would be easier to enforce that the incoming product has paid a tariff than that it didn't really come from Iran, for example. Wnt (talk) 19:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Anything is enforceable when you develop a treaty with an enforcement mechanism. Anyway, I want to say the Kyoto Protocol's emissions trading system is roughly equivalent to this. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 20:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Since the US Constitution forbids taxes on exports, it would be rather hypocritical of us to expect some other country to do so. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't seem practical, to me, as the other nation might well be a kleptocracy, in which case they will presumably just steal the money collected and not spend it on their people. We've had this problem with foreign aid, which is supposed to be used to improve conditions for poor people in a nation, but instead just buys the despot some more solid gold toilets. Better for us to collect the tax and spend it directly on the thing we want to accomplish in that nation, being careful not to give the poor people there something that can be easily stolen by their leaders and sold. StuRat (talk) 04:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

As illustrated by steel, chocolate, etc, countries generally import more different things than they import. Sell cotton, buy both steel and chocolate. So, an export tax would be simpler. However, balance of trade considerations usually override all other aims of tariff policy. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

• It's not exactly the same thing the OP is asking for, but Mercantilism was an economic theory which was heavily based on preventing export of key goods in a supply chain. You protected native industries by preventing the export of raw goods to foreign nations. So, while you cannot force another sovereign nation to control their exports to you via such tarriffs, countries have in the past prevented their own goods from leaving. The Navigation Acts famously restricted trade of anything except finished goods outside of the British Empire, keeping the costs of supply chains low and improving profit for the Empire. --Jayron32 02:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Historically, taxes on exports are not unknown. In 1592, the construction of Drake's Fort on Plymouth Hoe was funded by a tax on every hogshead of pilchards which was exported from the town (foreign merchants had to pay more than English ones). [10] Alansplodge (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Export taxes imposed by the government of export are not unknown. Export taxes impose by the country importing are AFAIK very rare. Nil Einne (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Note that Côte d'Ivoire exports very little chocolate. Their first significant chocolate factory only opened last year [11] and it appears to be targetting the local market. In fact a majority of their exports are still unprocessed cocoa beans by foreign companies although there has been moves to more local processing and exports [12] [13] Cocoa production in Ivory Coast (and also earlier ref). So it's not really clear what you're going to achieve by a tax on chocolate exports from Côte d'Ivoire. It seems likely you'll make things worse since you'll be putting a barrier on the growth of more local processing which for all the possible problems (some of them highlighted in a few of the earlier sources), it's generally accepted that more local processing which means more money stays in the country of export generally improves things generally. (Which isn't to say it's the only way.) If you mean a tax on cocoa beans, that's a different story. However the difficulties of imposing and successfully running such a scheme have to be compared against other alternatives (bearing in mind the earlier points about processing and in particular that regardless of the problems with cocoa production in Côte d'Ivoire and the unfairness of the system there, most of the money from chocolate is being made by people from outside the Côte d'Ivoire). Nil Einne (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Can someone tell me why social people don't want to dance before midnight?

One of Wnt's references to my question mentioned a cover charge for arriving after 11 which made me remember that this is a thing. (usually 11 or midnight according to cover charge) Why wouldn't everyone just come before midnight? Why is it "unhip" to dance from 11:59 to 4 am? That's not that early, it's halfway through the night. And in many places bars don't even close at 4 they must close at 2 and clubs probably have to too so people would pay money to get kicked out in 2-3 hours max. Is there a rush at 11:45? What the hell do extroverts do before midnight on a weekend? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I've wondered the same thing too. I was once at a nightclub in Helsinki, Finland. I arrived as soon as the nightclub opened, at about 10 PM. After an hour and a half of being the only customer, I felt bored and left. Upon leaving, I asked the doorman when people generally arrive at the club. He answered "Usually at 2 AM at the earliest." When do these people sleep? JIP | Talk 20:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

It started out being hip to be late, as if "I'm the life of the party, so nothing will happen without me anyway". Initially they were just a little bit late, but then everyone tried to outdo everyone else, and this pushed the starting time back further and further. It's a bit how everyone feels the need to prove that they are a nonconformist by wearing the exact same clothes. Personally, I'd ignore all that foolishness, wear what I want, take my date when we damn well feel like dancing, and have some room on the dance floor for once. StuRat (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

At least in the UK, this has very practical reasons; alcohol can be pretty extortionately priced in clubs, therefore people pre-drink at home or maybe in a pub before going out. Fgf10 (talk) 06:48, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like that would push the starting time back that much. How long does it take to get buzzed ? Maybe an hour ? When could they start ? Right after work or school ? So they could still start dancing by 8 PM, by my calcs. StuRat (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

No, it takes time to have dinner, get ready etc. Pre drinks would start at 9 or 10, hit town midnight ish. You sound like my mother! Fgf10 (talk) 07:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Citations, please? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

My hypothesis is that having the energy to dance after midnight suggests a certain class background and/or a bohemian rejection of the bourgeois work ethic (which only people with investment income can afford to do without consequence). Hence the "hipness" or prestige of the practice. Of course, many people who engage in it do have to get up early to work, if not the next day then the day after, and they pay a price for it in their work performance. But by dancing after midnight, they are signaling to potential mates that they don't have to worry about work. Marco polo (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

When I was a young poor student, we frequently went out at midnight on a weekend. Rejecting the working class or anything that "deep" never crossed our minds when deciding when we'll go dancing. We just had the time and the energy and the friends that used to do it too, that's all there was to it. now I'm older, have a job and a kid and a wife and a mortgage, going out dancing at midnight and coming home at 6am is the last thing I'd want to do right now. Vespine (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Probably something to do with the adolescent body clock [14] ""There's a biological predisposition for going to bed late and getting up late." [15] Alansplodge (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Do drug addicts ever love the substance?

Hug their 10 kilo brick of coke and spoon it while sleeping and sort of fall in love with it.. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Like the male spider cuddling up to the female spider after mating? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Spider falling in love with cocaine (actually just hiding in sand but it really, really looks high). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

If the drug is alcohol, then Billy Joel thought so, in the Piano Man:

"There's an old man sittin' next to me,

Makin' love to his tonic and gin"

(Makes me wonder just how big those bottle openings are.) StuRat (talk) 23:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Hug a cask of gin and alcoholically drink it like a vampire until she runs out.. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

There was the sailor in The Blue Lagoon who floated off, wrapped around a barrel of gin. Didn't work out well for him. As I recall, he ended up with a bad case of crabs. StuRat (talk) 03:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Somebody's been watching too much Harold and Kumar. :) [16] Wnt (talk) 03:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Landscape Drama and Music

Can we extend the Gertrude Stein's theory of Landscape drama to the musical perception? Since both of these forms are tied with the time, so a same perspective towards both may be possible. Do you know any same theory in music that view the musical piece as a non-linear system of inter-related components? Thank you for any answer... 151.240.10.46 (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

This seems to be roughly about Stein's concept of Landscape drama and also about opera music [17], perhaps it will be of interest. SemanticMantis (talk) 14:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

May 23

41st United States Colored Troops

What is the most sensiscal way to refer to the 41st Regiment Infantry United States Colored Troops in order to express the USCT part as well as the infantry part? Which form is most used in sources?

• 41st Regiment Infantry United States Colored Troops
• 41st Infantry Regiment United States Colored Troops
• others

--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

• List of United States Colored Troops Civil War units should give some insight. --Jayron32 16:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah it links every infantry regiment as Regiment Infantry USCT, but I hardly find this ordering in outside sources.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

That is the form in the list - but the individual articles either use the form 1st United States Colored Infantry Regiment, or just 1st United States Colored Infantry (changing the number according to whichever regiment you are talking about). 86.131.28.46 (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Another question: why does this source disagrees with these [18] and [19] when it comes to the date that the 41st USCT was mustered out and disbanded?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 14:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

What is sound banking?

What is sound banking?
I heard this somewhere, but wikipedia has no article about it, and google mostly give results of a company called sound banking company. 201.79.51.21 (talk) 16:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It is banking which is sound, in the sense of in good condition, solid, strong. A sound banking system is a system of banks which is health and strong. --Jayron32 16:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

We'd need to see the source to be sure, but another possible meaning is storing sound samples, say for use in movies. By analogy, see seed bank. StuRat (talk) 00:46, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Those are called "sound effects libraries". See Sound editor (filmmaking), Foley (filmmaking), Stock sound effect all which discuss the concept. The phrase "sound bank" is not used in that context, as a quick google search shows. --Jayron32 00:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I found plenty: [20]. StuRat (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Good find! --Jayron32 01:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, "sound bank" can and does mean a bank (i.e. battery, magazine) consisting of sounds, and I almost brought it up too- except I don't think it can be used as a verb in that sense, and our OP here has a gerundive form in the header. It's not so much of a foley artist phrase as a DJ/electronic music thing, though there is some overlap. It is kind of funny to think that a bank of sounds and a bank that is sound are both sound banks :) SemanticMantis (talk) 13:33, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

So a bank of sounds that was not in good condition would be an unsound sound bank. Gandalf61 (talk) 13:42, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Can interviews be used as references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kipinj (talk • contribs) 18:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

If it is published in a reliable source. It must be accessible to anyone who wants to look for it. --Jayron32 18:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Depends on what you want to use it for. Newspaper articles are often based on interviews, but an original interview would generally be regarded as data, rather than reference, in an academic paper. An interview which is not documented in a secondary source would not be a good source for Wikipedia, for example. "X told me Y" is primary research regardless of whether X was a famous person you interviewed or a friend you chatted to over coffee. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 18:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Also note that an interview is a source for what was claimed by the interviewee, not that it is fact. So, if a person claims one birthdate in an interview, that would not trump a birth certificate with a different date. StuRat (talk) 21:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

May 24

Price of a bottle of Coca-Cola in ~1916

From talk page. Tevildo (talk) 08:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I can find that the first glasses - end of 19th century - were sold for 5 Cents. How much did a bottle of Coca-Cola cost (about) around 1916? Can a reference be found? Duden Dude (talk) 07:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

This advertisement is labelled as from 1916, and the price is five cents. 184.147.127.106 (talk) 10:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Or about $1.10 in today's money. ―Mandruss ☎ 11:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

So quite a bit more expensive, considering $1.10 will buy you a 2 liter bottle now. That's about 10 times as much. This is one reason for obesity, that junk food is now much cheaper and more available. StuRat (talk) 01:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, taking the coca leaves out probably didn't help much with the weight either. I suspect a bottle of the Real Thing would be fairly expensive today. Wnt (talk) 17:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

According to this economics paper, the price of a 6½ fl.oz. bottom of Coca-Cola remained at 5¢ for more than 70 years—1886 to 1959—despite the multiple economic upheavals over the period. In the 1950s when it became clear that this could not last much longer, the Coca-Cola company even tried asking for a 7½¢ US coin to be introduced so that they could raise the price and customers would still be able to pay conveniently with a single coin! Oh, and look, Wikipedia has an article on the subject too. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 19:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow! Alansplodge (talk) 08:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

When Coke was feeling the pain of selling its 6.5 ounce bottle for only 5 cents in the 1940's and 1950's. Pepsi provided 12 ounces for the same price. Inflation in general and especially rising sugar prices forced the end of the nickel Coke. Retailers in some cities such as New York were charging more than 5 cents by 1950. There was nothing to stop a merchant from keeping their old Coca Cola machine stocked with 6.5 ounce bottles for a nickel for a few years after there was little or no profit in it so the very last nickel Coke was likely sold to a consumer years after the official 1959 date. I know of a car dealer who kept such a machine well into the 1960's for instance. Edison (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Benjamin Jowett's translation[s] of Plato

I have found the same passage from Timaeus translated differently but Benjamin Jowett cited as the translator:

• This article cites “Jowett, Benjamin (1892). The dialogues of Plato. Vol. II” and says Then listen, Socrates, to a strange tale which is, however certainly true, as Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages, declared. He was a relative and a great friend of my great-grandfather, Dropidas, as he himself says in several of his poems; and Dropidas told Critias, my grandfather, who remembered and told us
• The Project Gutenberg edition says “Translated by Benjamin Jowett” but the passage now is Listen then, Socrates, to a tale of Solon's, who, being the friend of Dropidas my great-grandfather, told it to my grandfather Critias, and he told me.
• This source, again, says “Translated by Benjamin Jowett” but the passage, again, is different: Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages. He was a relative and a dear friend of my great-grandfather, Dropides, as he himself says in many passages of his poems; and he told the story to Critias, my grandfather, who remembered and repeated it to us.

Did Jowett translate Plato over and over?--The Traditionalist (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

For the Project Gutenberg document, the passage you quote ("Listen then, Socrates") is from Jowett's introduction (near the beginning) - the "Then listen, Socrates ... dear friend of my great-grandfather" version occurs in the actual translated text (about half-way down the page). The "great friend" version only appears in our article and various works that quote Jowett - all the available on-line copies of Jowett's book that I can find quickly have "dear friend". It might be worth updating our article with the "dear friend" version from Project Gutenberg. Tevildo (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

@Tevildo: Blimey! I used Ctrl+F and wrote "Dropidas", which only appears in the introduction, while the actual text, below, says "Dropides". --The Traditionalist (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Paul Stahl (soldier)

Hello. Does somebody know which biographical data is right in the aforementioned article?--Hubon (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The article was created 4 years ago, and the discrepancy was there immediately. The creator, DocYako (talk · contribs), is still active, so you could ask him. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Scenario

request for opinion
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Groups of people know you are good, some support[ed] you, and some went against the rules and regulations. The latter however trying their best to manipulate all that’s involved. Some trust you, some are getting manipulated. You, yourself, don’t give a damn, well not anymore; because you are sick and tired of correcting things, especially what involves you. What are the chances for the good people still getting manipulated, those who know that you’ll only be good to good people and bad to bad people…? -- Apostle (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC) This question is entirely outside the bounds of what we can provide references for. You're going to have to seek another source of advice.--Jayron32 19:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC) Yes, we really can't help you with this issue here. You might try at a general discussion forum, perhaps /r/AskReddit [21], or maybe /r/Relationships, [22]. They can address "issues with family, friends, or coworkers". SemanticMantis (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Sowi peeps -- Apostle (talk) 04:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Oxford University reforms 1854

While looking for an article to link to and thereby elucidate a point in another article I ran across these two articles - University Reform Act 1854 and Oxford University Act 1854. I rather suspect that they are in fact about the same act but am not sure. Can anyone help sort this out? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 22:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The act in question is 17 & 18 Vict C81, and its short title is "Oxford University Act". According to this site, there were five acts of parliament relating to education passed in that year, but none of the others relate to universities, and there are no acts (on the official website, at least) from any year with a short title of "University Reform Act". I agree that a merge is appropriate. Tevildo (talk) 23:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not going to be able to do much about it for a couple of weeks, so if anyone would like to take it on that would e great! DuncanHill (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Appropriate tags have been added to the articles. WP:MERGECLOSE is rather contradictory about the minimum time required before the merge is actioned (it says both "a week or more" and "30 days"), but I'm sure it won't be controversial. Tevildo (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Some kind of history merge or attribution will be needed to move info over from the wrongly-titled version. DuncanHill (talk) 22:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Leigh Hunt's speech impediment

Do we know the nature of Leigh Hunt's speech impediment? DuncanHill (talk) 23:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Stammering and stuttering are mentioned, for example "(...) I hesitated in my speech. I did not stammer half so badly as I used; and it is very seldom that I halt at a syllable now (...)" / "The worse my stammering, the worse the ill-treatment" (found e.g. in Benson Bobrick, Knotted Tongues: Stuttering in History and the Quest for a Cure, Simon and Schuster, 2011, ISBN 9781451628562) ---Sluzzelin talk 00:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

May 25

Do transsexual bathroom rights come with a dress code or identity check?

The U.S. is in the midst of a big controversy about "bathroom bills". In most of the U.S. now, a transsexual is allowed to use the bathroom of his or her gender identity. But is this right limited by appearance, or by some other formal standard? For example, I suspect a big muscular man (apparently) with a beard would still face skepticism if trying to use the women's rest room, even if he/she claims transgender identity. This raises the question of whether there is some sort of Code of Conduct that transsexuals have to follow to claim their rights, for example, are transwomen required to use lipstick and eye shadow, are transmen prohibited from same, is leg shaving a requirement etc.

The extreme case would be a movie theater, where women line up desperately or despairingly hoping to use the toilet before the feature begins. I'm thinking sooner or later there could be a revolt where some just start saying they 'feel like men today'. (though admittedly, they'd have to be fairly desperate, given the usual condition of men's toilets. Nonetheless, men sometimes resort to sitting on them!) Is the existing situation with transgender access already a de facto recognition that segregated bathrooms are untenable? Wnt (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

It's really a non-issue for "manly men" wanting to use the women's room. Why would they want to do that ? As for women using the men's room, I doubt if anyone will call the cops about that, either. But the obvious solution is to have enough individual bathrooms, with one seat only, which can be used by men or women. Small locations already do this, with a single toilet, and men manage to pee in it most of the time (after all, not many homes are equipped with urinals). StuRat (talk) 17:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Hetero men could be willing to use a female bathroom motivated by urolagnia, voyeurism, to annoy, or to attack a female when he supposes she's more vulnerable. Llaanngg (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

And all of those are inappropriate behavior in bathrooms regardless of gender or orientation. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 02:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Male and female attraction to breasts

I'm a heterosexual man, and yes, I am attracted to female breasts.

What I want to ask about, are heterosexual women (especially discounting lesbians) specifically attracted to a man's bare chest? In my own subjective opinion, it feels like "but there's nothing there".

Do women go as far as to feel attracted to the lack of protruding breasts on a man, feeling unattracted to "manboobs"? JIP | Talk 19:40, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Healthy mean do have breasts, they just are smaller and contain more muscle and less fat. StuRat (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

And where does one find these discount lesbians ? How many can you get for a dollar ? StuRat (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

• Wikipedia has an article titled Physical attractiveness which is fairly comprehensive. There's several pages of text on male attractiveness, with data and references and the like. It would be a good place for you to start your research on this topic. --Jayron32 21:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

[Here]'s an article you may find of interest. If true (and that would be a large "if") it suggests that the answer to your question is "no". If the majority of women have bisexual tendencies (the claim in the article is even more all-encompassing), it would be odd for women to find breasts unattractive. Of course, just because a woman finds women attractive, that doesn't necessarily mean that she would find effeminate (however you want to define that) men attractive. Food for thought, at least. Matt Deres (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey User:Matt Deres you forgot to actually link the article. Feel free to thank me by removing this comment if/when you fix it :) SemanticMantis (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Some women perceive wide and/or hairy and/or muscular chests as a masculinity sign. There was a study on how many women in Slovakia and Turkey prefer hairy chests. Women were presented pairs of photos of men with chest hair or hairless. For each pair, they were asked to choose the sexiest photo. Preference for hairy chests was 21%. Brandmeister^talk 19:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Scorsese surname origin

If anyone has any reliable sources for the Scorsese (surname) article they would be gratefully received. DuncanHill (talk) 22:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The article seems dubious, Martin Scorsese's article notes that his father, Charles Scorsese]'s parents were from Polizzi Generosa, which isn't really anywhere near England. The spelling and pronunciation of the name seem plainly Italian as well. Italian name lists Scorsese, and also the -se ending as common.--Jayron32 22:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

(The article has been adjusted now: the unconvincing onomastics have been removed). The only reference that had been given wasn't about the name Scorsese, but about the name Score. Tutti i cognomi has a short entry on Scorsese/Scorzese: "Scorzese is practically alone. Scorsese seems to have disappeared in Italy by now, they could derive from the Ragusan toponym Scorsone, or also from the name of the place Scorza in the Province of Avellino." Not the greatest reference. Other sites list it as one of many possible varieties of "scorza", which can also mean bark (Latin cortex >> corteccia/scorza), and the verb scorzare can assume a more ironic meaning than just peeling off the bark, it can mean stealing too, hence names such as Scorzabove, Scorzalupo, Scorzavacca, Scorzavillan.[23] While the origin remains unclear it still remains in Italy, not England. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

May 26

Building at top of Mount of Olives

I'm confused about the buildings at the top of Mount of Olives in this photo.

please identify buildings in this photo

At the bottom left is a corner of the Church of All Nations, and in the centre is, I believe, the Church of Mary Magdalene. But I want to know what the buildings are that can be seen atop the mountain, with the flagpole. Also, what is the red-roofed building in front of (and a bit to the left of) the Church of Mary Magdalene? Finally, can the objects in the photo be triangulated to find out the lat/long coordinates from which it was shot? Mathew5000 (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Poking around Street View in Google Maps, I'm 99% certain that's the Convent of St. Mary Magdalene, associated with the church. Just open Google Maps and zoom in on Gethsemane. The Convent is marked on the map, and if you go into Street View and wander around the summit, you can confirm that's the building in question. --Jayron32 15:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Moreover, the picture appears to have been taken from Derech HaOfel, a little way south of its northernmost bend, at approximately 31° 46' 45.41" N, 35° 14' 16.22" E. AlexTiefling (talk) 15:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The red-roofed building is between Gethsemane and the Church of Mary Magdalene. Triangulating it, it seems to be the building on the right here, next to the narrow alleyway. I can't find any information on the name of it; it may be a private residence of some sort. If you pan to the right a bit, there's a guide sign on the wall that has writing in several languages, the sign, however, seems to be describing a walking path to several sites, and has nothing about the building itself. --Jayron32 16:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Advantage of currency depreciation

In case of Polish złoty, for example, I remember that back in early 2000s (around 2004) its exchange rate was around 3,2-3,3 PLN for 1 USD. Now it's 3,94 for 1 USD. Yet Polish expats working aboard, for instance, who earn in US dollars and send money back home apparently benefit from this kind of devaluation, since their relatives now exchange bucks at higher rate. Is there any name for this specific phenomenon in economics? Seemingly no mention of it in Currency appreciation and depreciation. Brandmeister^talk 17:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

5 Potential Advantages of Currency Devaluation. Alansplodge (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think there's any more specific term for it than "an effect of currency depreciation". The hypothetical worker earns the same amount of USD, but this same amount now buys more PLN, so their family now has more PLN to spend. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Communist Joows and the homosexual agenda

Why do communist Joows try to undermined traditional white Christian society by actively recruiting people to the homosexual lifestyle? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.55.64.233 (talk) 19:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)