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*'''Delete all'''. We can all agree, I expect, that these are wrong: there's no good reason to mix Cyrillic and Latin in these particular strings, and I can't envision a situation in which one should mix Cyrillic and Latin, aside from stylistic stuff that's as silly as [[heavy metal umlaut]]s. (If you speak Russian and you're searching the English Wikipedia, will you really expect us to retain a Russian initialism? If you search here in Russian, why would you use anything but the full name?) And the only good reason to keep something that's outright wrong is if it's plausible, e.g. we keep [[Geroge Bush]] because it's a common typo. How could someone possibly combine Cyrillic and Latin by accident in this manner? Keyboards come with one script or another, but they don't come with both; the only way you can type С.M.S.A.A. with a Latin keyboard is copy/pasting the С from somewhere or typing an extended-character code, and you'll have to go through at least times that effort to type M S A on a Cyrillic keyboard. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Delete all'''. We can all agree, I expect, that these are wrong: there's no good reason to mix Cyrillic and Latin in these particular strings, and I can't envision a situation in which one should mix Cyrillic and Latin, aside from stylistic stuff that's as silly as [[heavy metal umlaut]]s. (If you speak Russian and you're searching the English Wikipedia, will you really expect us to retain a Russian initialism? If you search here in Russian, why would you use anything but the full name?) And the only good reason to keep something that's outright wrong is if it's plausible, e.g. we keep [[Geroge Bush]] because it's a common typo. How could someone possibly combine Cyrillic and Latin by accident in this manner? Keyboards come with one script or another, but they don't come with both; the only way you can type С.M.S.A.A. with a Latin keyboard is copy/pasting the С from somewhere or typing an extended-character code, and you'll have to go through at least times that effort to type M S A on a Cyrillic keyboard. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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**{{u|Nyttend}}, I'm envisioning a scenario where someone copy&pastes the term from a discussion at the ''Velikiy Drakon'' website in order to read Wikipedia's article. It's very easy to imagine it happening. For example, make a search for the mixed term "ВD" here: http://www.greatdragon.ru/news/2967-who-is-vy-velikiy-drakon-istoriya-zhurnala.html#comment . Someone copy-and-pasting the term on Wikipedia would be left with the incorrect impression that Wikipedia did not cover the topic. And if you don't think that the redirect is never used just take a look at [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-11-01&end=2019-06-01&pages=%D0%92D the pageviews analysis]. It's obviously used on Wikipedia as a search term. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
**{{u|Nyttend}}, I'm envisioning a scenario where someone copy&pastes the term from a discussion at the ''Velikiy Drakon'' website in order to read Wikipedia's article. It's very easy to imagine it happening. For example, make a search for the mixed term "ВD" here: http://www.greatdragon.ru/news/2967-who-is-vy-velikiy-drakon-istoriya-zhurnala.html#comment . Someone copy-and-pasting the term on Wikipedia would be left with the incorrect impression that Wikipedia did not cover the topic. And if you don't think that the redirect is never used just take a look at [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-11-01&end=2019-06-01&pages=%D0%92D the pageviews analysis]. It's obviously used on Wikipedia as a search term. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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**{{u|Nyttend}}, is there any difference between a mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression like "[[Toys Я Us]]" (of which you made {{Diff2|481016778|this comment}} previously) and the mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression "ВD"? I worry that the difference for some may just be subjective with the Western-oriented "[[Toys Я Us]]" seeming familiar and fun while the Russian "[[ВD]]" seeming foreign and wrong. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep "ВD"''' - The term is used by the magazine ''Velikiy Drakon'' (i.e. the target of the redirect) and is used by Russian readers. Despite arguments above that it is difficult (for some) to create a two-letter mixed-character expression, copy&paste is a commonly-used tool online on all keyboards and the redirect is in fact used on Wikipedia as demonstrated by [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-11-01&end=2019-06-01&pages=%D0%92D the pageviews analysis]. The term is used numerous times in the ru.wikipedia version of the article which suggests that readers are familiar with the term and quite plausibly use it. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Keep "ВD"''' - The term is used by the magazine ''Velikiy Drakon'' (i.e. the target of the redirect) and is used by Russian readers. Despite arguments above that it is difficult (for some) to create a two-letter mixed-character expression, copy&paste is a commonly-used tool online on all keyboards and the redirect is in fact used on Wikipedia as demonstrated by [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-11-01&end=2019-06-01&pages=%D0%92D the pageviews analysis]. The term is used numerous times in the ru.wikipedia version of the article which suggests that readers are familiar with the term and quite plausibly use it. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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**Is there any difference between a mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression like "[[Toys Я Us]]" and the mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression "ВD"? I worry that familiarity with a well-known term like "Toys Я Us" is the sole difference between retaining redirects like that "Toys Я Us" and removing unfamiliar terms like "[[ВD]]" which is otherwise quite comparable. And I'll put a name to the concern: [[Wikipedia:Systemic bias#List of Internet users by country|Systemic bias]]. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC) (<small>Shifted and heavily redacted. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)</small>) |
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**Ah, the ethnic bias card. I'm not spending time trying to present a reasoned argument against comments on contributors. Be aware that accusations of personal misbehavior without evidence are [[WP:WIAPA|considered personal attacks]], and anything more of this sort will result in a block request. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 01:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
***Ah, the ethnic bias card. I'm not spending time trying to present a reasoned argument against comments on contributors. Be aware that accusations of personal misbehavior without evidence are [[WP:WIAPA|considered personal attacks]], and anything more of this sort will result in a block request. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 01:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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***I apologize if you felt attacked here. That was not nearly my intention. For the record I have zero reason to think that you have any ethnic bias. I was trying (perhaps inelegantly) to point out that there may be a [[Wikipedia:Systemic bias#List of Internet users by country|''systemic'' bias]] which can lead us astray in cases like this. I definitely did not intend to accuse you of anything. I'll try to rework the other question to make it less of a problem. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
****I apologize if you felt attacked here. That was not nearly my intention. For the record I have zero reason to think that you have any ethnic bias. I was trying (perhaps inelegantly) to point out that there may be a [[Wikipedia:Systemic bias#List of Internet users by country|''systemic'' bias]] which can lead us astray in cases like this. I definitely did not intend to accuse you of anything. I'll try to rework the other question to make it less of a problem. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*****Done. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 02:17, 16 July 2019
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 15, 2019.
La Vita della Regina Elizabetta
- La Vita della Regina Elizabetta → Elizabeth II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not referenced in article. WP:FORRED and more. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Dyanology
Pretty significant misspelling of what is only a redirect anyway (Dylanology). Could just as easily (more easily, really) be a misspelling of Dianology. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Sachimo
Dubious misspelling of Satchmo ("satchel-mouth"), a nickname for Louis Armstrong. Too similar to Sachima and Sachem (which has forms ending in -o) to be useful. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Will Smith., Ltd.
- Will Smith., Ltd. → Will Smith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Stray period. Will Smith, Ltd. does not exist as a redirect, and I have not found evidence to suggest this is even a thing. But regardless, due to punctuation this is not an appropriate redirect. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Excecution of Marie Antoinette
- Excecution of Marie Antoinette → Marie Antoinette (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspelling of Execution of Marie Antoinette, which itself is only a redirect to Marie Antoinette. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Britney Spears' forthcoming album
- Britney Spears' forthcoming album → Britney Spears (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball etc. The redirect is protected, and as a consequence I cannot tag it with the RfD template. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Lance Armstrong 2
- Lance Armstrong 2 → Lance Armstrong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Moved to Lance Armstrong/proposal, where history is preserved. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
T Ros
Not a plausible search term for the target. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Nick Copper
- Nick Copper → Nicolaus Copernicus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in article (yes, I get the relationship to his name's meaning). Also, too similar to Nick Chopper and Nick Cooper. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Copernic us' nationality
- Copernic us' nationality → Nicolaus Copernicus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a useful redirect. Spacing error, and even without it not the material of redirects. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- This was a merged article but it can be deleted as the revision that was the source of the merged content was moved to the main article.[1] Peter James (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Billou
Perhaps I am missing something with this one. Seems completely inappropriate for its target. Billou not used anywhere else on Wikipedia, so delete. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- There was nothing relevant in the article. The only possible redirect would be Pierre Billiou - references in the Billiou–Stillwell–Perine House article (including NRHP) spell his name as "Billou". It could also be a misspelling of the surname Billoux. Peter James (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Billg
Too unspecific, not meaningful. Even Bill G. would be an inappropriate redirect (see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 14 § Arnold S.). — the Man in Question (in question) 21:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Bill Gadolo, Bill Gadsby, Bill Gaede, Bill Gaffy, ... and many more, all the way to Bill Gwynne. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- This is mentioned in the The New York Times crossword puzzle and List of Easter eggs in Microsoft products articles; search may be better than redirect. Peter James (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Crash Land
- Crash Land → Stmpd Rcrds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Crash Land → Stmpd Rcrds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Listed on the artist's section, but its listing remains unsourced, as are multiple other artists listed on this page. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 16:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep the article-space redirect as the act does seem to be listed there, even if it's not sourced. Delete the draftspace redirect, WP:XNR and WP:REDLINK. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep and restore Draft:Crash Land since it currently is a {{R with history}}, and thus can be used in the event the topic of the Draft ever becomes notable. (I have no opinion in Crash Land.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe the thing to do is to keep the mainspace redirect, but revert the draft one to a proper draft. --BDD (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Legend of Mary Magdalene
- Legend of Mary Magdalene → Mary Magdalene (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same sort of thing as below. Has history, but was redirected, not merged. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The Life of Edgar Allan Poe
- The Life of Edgar Allan Poe → Edgar Allan Poe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Walt Disney's life → Walt Disney (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Life and work of Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Life and Work of Ludwig van Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Life and work of Ludwig van Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Beethoven: life and work → Ludwig van Beethoven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Abraham Lincoln's Life → Abraham Lincoln (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not within the scope of redirects. Redundant, much like Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 13 § About thomas edison. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Life and work of Ludwig van Beethoven was split from the main article in 2004 (initially as Beethoven: life and work, then Life and work of Beethoven from 7-9 June 2005) and merged in 2009. Peter James (talk) 22:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Biography of thomas edison
- Biography of thomas edison → Thomas Edison (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Added by LaundryPizza03 (talk · contribs)
- Biography of John Amyas Alexander → John Amyas Alexander (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Jerry Beisler → Jerry Beisler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Joseph Nyuma Boakai, Sr.- Vice President of Liberia → Joseph Boakai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Mahatma Gandhi → Mahatma Gandhi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Brig Gen M Sakhawat Hossain (Retd) → M Sakhawat Hossain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography ofHis Royal Highness Obong (Hon) Ikpe Umoh Imeh, OON → Ikpe Umoh Imeh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Pope John Paul II → Pope John Paul II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of pope john paul ii → Pope John Paul II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of The Vice President of Iraq Dr Khudier Al Khuzaie → Khodair al-Khozaei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Martin Luther King → Martin Luther King Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Alexander L. Kuzemsky → Alexander Kuzemsky (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Laurent Lamothe → Laurent Lamothe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Hannibal Lokumbe → Hannibal Lokumbe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Madonna → Madonna (entertainer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Khenpo Sherab Sangpo → Khenpo Sherab Sangpo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of dr.seuss → Dr. Seuss (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Frank Sinatra → Frank Sinatra (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of frank sinatra → Frank Sinatra (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Biography of Nikola Tesla → Nikola Tesla (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unhelpful redirect. Not the stuff of redirect titles. Biography of thomas edison has history, but was not merged, merely redirected. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I have also added many similar redirects (see Special:PrefixIndex/Biography of). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete all per noms. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Johnny Cash – Biography
- Johnny Cash – Biography → Johnny Cash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Johnny Cash - Biography → Johnny Cash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unhelpful redirects. Has history, but was simply redirected, not merged. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln I
- Abraham Lincoln I → Abraham Lincoln (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I believe Abraham Lincoln had a grandson named Abraham Lincoln who died as a child, which inspired this creative redirect. No one calls Abraham Lincoln "the first" (I did not find a single instance in Google Books), and no one's going to search Abraham Lincoln I if they're trying to simply find Abraham Lincoln. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The Story of Bach
- The Story of Bach → Johann Sebastian Bach (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Story of Mozart → Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Story of Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Story of Chopin → Frédéric Chopin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Story of Captain Kidd → William Kidd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Story of King Billy → William III of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not an appropriate redirect title. WP:PANDORA. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete It looks like these were created from links in Tale Spinners for Children - if the links should be there, they would be better piped to link directly. Peter James (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Einstien, Albert
- Einstien, Albert → Albert Einstein (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Spears, Brittany → Britney Spears (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspellings in {{R from sort name}}. Not in accord with the purpose of sort names, since their purpose is for print and these are unprintworthy. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Peter James (talk) 22:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Jordan,Michael
- Jordan,Michael → Michael Jordan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Alighieri Dante → Dante Alighieri (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Beckham David → David Beckham (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bieber Justin → Justin Bieber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clinton hillary → Hillary Clinton (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dali salvador → Salvador Dalí (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dickens charles → Charles Dickens (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lennon john → John Lennon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reagan Ronald → Ronald Reagan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Rodham Hillary → Hillary Clinton (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Trump Donald → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Errors in {{R from sort name}}. Not in accord with the purpose of sort names, since their purpose is for print and these are unprintworthy. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 9#Rodham,Hillary. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep all except Michael Jordan, as the missing space after the comma is implausible. These are harmless and absolutely unambiguous; there's no benefit to deletion; this is definitely not a sort error. Plus, what kind of redirect that's meant for print is unprintworthy? Trump Donald had 82 hits in the last few months, including ten in one day; that's 82 people whose requests would have been complicated by this deletion. It's distinctly not implausible that someone would simply leave off a comma. Nyttend (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
T'Rails
- T'Rails → Tasmanian Government Railways (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target, an internet search for the redirect term does not return any results related to the current target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Historic Commercial Vehicle Association
- Historic Commercial Vehicle Association → Sydney Bus Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Searching online, there appear to be a few organizations in Australia that could all be conceivably referred to by this name, but there's no clear direct connection to the museum. signed, Rosguill talk 18:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Fleetline (periodical)
- Fleetline (periodical) → Sydney Bus Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect is listed as a citation, but is not otherwise mentioned in the target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Nitro (game show)
Not mentioned at the target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Sonic2014
- Sonic2014 → List of Sonic Boom episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target is an episodes list for a show that ran from 2014 to 2017, making the redirect inappropriate. I'd suggest deletion, but if kept Sonic Boom (TV series) is a better target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Emile Fourcade
- Emile Fourcade → List of the oldest people by country (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Émile Fourcade → List of the oldest people by country (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This person is no longer mentioned on the target page, nor anywhere else on Wikipedia: he just slipped out of the top 100 List of French supercentenarians. Consequently, redirects should be removed. (Well, actually, Fourcade is still mentioned on the page of Maurice Floquet, but that statement is uncited.) — JFG talk 18:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Star fox wii
- Star fox wii → Star Fox Zero#Development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Star Fox Zero is technically not a Wii game. And if we're extrapolating that much, the Gamecube games can also be played on Wii. Too confusing to be necessary. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Star Fox Zero technically started development as a Wii game, but I am unsure if that is enough to make this redirect keepable (thus, I am neutral). Geolodus (talk) 06:37, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to Star Foxas the franchise starter. Searcher is checking whether any Star Fox games are available for Wii. This would be the best place to look. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:45, 5 July 2019 (UTC) updated 15:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)- @AngusWOOF: Changing your opinion? In 2016, your opinion was to retarget this to Star Fox Zero. (Just wondering since ... you probably forgot about it since that was 3 years ago, and I know we have all slept since then.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Steel1943, yeah, I forgot. Striking vote. Not all Wiis are Gamecube compatible.AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- @AngusWOOF: Changing your opinion? In 2016, your opinion was to retarget this to Star Fox Zero. (Just wondering since ... you probably forgot about it since that was 3 years ago, and I know we have all slept since then.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per my rationale in the 2016 nomination, given that I was the nominator. Steel1943 (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Dinosaur Planet (Game)
- Dinosaur Planet (Game) → Star Fox Adventures#Development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete - strange mal-formatted disambiguation. (Game) is not used as a disambiguation for video games. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{R with history}} (the edit history suggests a merge occured though I don't see much evidence of that at Star Fox Adventures). Even without the history, it got nearly 500 hits last year and doesn't appear to be ambiguous with anything else. PC78 (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- A majority of the hits came on a single day, suggesting it's not very popular but may have been linked from somewhere. That doesn't prove much about it. As for the history, there wasn't much on it originally besides an unsourced stub. More information is currently in the article than was on the original page.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- It got 26 hits in one day, but that's a small fraction of the total for last year. Nearly 2000 hits in the last four years so it seems pretty consistant. PC78 (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- A majority of the hits came on a single day, suggesting it's not very popular but may have been linked from somewhere. That doesn't prove much about it. As for the history, there wasn't much on it originally besides an unsourced stub. More information is currently in the article than was on the original page.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe we can work out a compromise, and rename it to Dinosaur Planet (video game), which has the correct formatting, deleting the original redirect title.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:46, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Even aside from the attribution issue (see WP:MAD), I don't think there's a problem with the title. If a link has been blue for thirteen years, we shouldn't turn it red without good reason, and poorly formatted disambiguation isn't a good reason. Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per others. This is a harmless {{R from incorrect disambiguation}} with useful history; deleting it is largely pointless. Geolodus (talk) 06:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Just because something can be tagged as an incorrect disambiguation doesn't mean that all incorrect disambiguations should be kept.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Rename to (video game) without redirect Otherwise it implies there was a game created for Dinosaur Planet (TV series) or other items on the disambiguation. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Erm,... why can't your proposed title imply that a video game was created for the TV show or any other? PC78 (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- PC78, that's true, perhaps redirecting to the disambiguation would be better, but it shouldn't stay at (Game). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Keep, or rename without leaving a redirect?
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Warpstone (Star Fox)
- Warpstone (Star Fox) → Star Fox Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete - fancruft that isn't mentioned in the article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:09, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- "Warpstone" gets a single mention in the Reception section. PC78 (talk) 21:30, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- That is "Warpstone Master" and not simply "Warpstone". Either way, it's not prominent enough to merit a redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- It appears to be a reference to the same character: [2]. PC78 (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- That is "Warpstone Master" and not simply "Warpstone". Either way, it's not prominent enough to merit a redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as not mentioned in the gameplay, not like Infinity Stone or Materia (Final Fantasy). It's also a fairly common idea to get a collection of stones or gems to unlock a portal to another area. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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Hans Droysen
- Hans Droysen → Johann Gustav Droysen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, since they are not the same person, and the article on Johann's mention of Hans is currently too little. The redirect is thus should be deleted like Johann Gustav Ferdinand Droysen. RekishiEJ (talk) 16:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorana
We have articles at Sorana (Pescia), Sorana bean and Sorana Gurian. I think we need a dab instead of a redirect. valereee (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom. It doesn't seem that the tennis player is known by a mononym. PC78 (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Dabify per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Ridiculously Photogenic Guy
- Ridiculously Photogenic Guy → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The subsection it was to redirect to has been removed so this redirects to a page that does not mention the title. Furthermore, it seems that this was a temporary internet phenomena wouldn't be sufficient as an article on its own because of WP:NTEMP. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 13:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Radiohead scotch mist
- Radiohead scotch mist → In Rainbows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. There's no indication why this redirect targets In Rainbows, although there is a mention of a (non-notable?) webcast at Nude (song)#Music video Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: For the record, Scotch Mist was a webcast Radiohead recorded to promote the album In Rainbows. Hence the redirect.
- I have no opinion on whether this should be deleted - I don't really know the rules of redirects - but the nom made me realise that the article really ought to cover Scotch Mist in more detail, so I've added it with a reliable source. It's definitely notable - it was covered by the Observer and Rolling Stone and probably others. Hopefully the reason for the redirect should be clearer now, at least. Popcornduff (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
File:Minnale dvd.jpg
- File:Minnale dvd.jpg → File:Minnale poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a poster. I think G7 also applies here. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per the same rationale I posted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 15#File:Kulavadhu-film-poster.jpg ... minus the WP:TROUT-ing: "
...The redirect is not causing any harm, considering that name requirements for redirects in the “File:” namespace do not necessary have to be useful search terms, especially if the redirect is a {{R from move}}. In addition, the redirect does not shadow the title of a page on Wikimedia Commons, meaning that it’s not causing any technical issues that need to be resolved by deleting the redirect per {{Db-redircom}}.
" In addition, this file does not qualify for WP:G7 since the target's creator, Bharathprime, has not edited in almost a decade, meaning they were neither the one who requested the file be moved/renamed (which happened here; the nominator moved/renamed the page), nor tagged anything with {{Db-g7}}. Steel1943 (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
В. В. Kurasov
- В. В. Kurasov → Vladimir Kurasov (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- С.M.S.A.A. → Missionary Congregation of Saint Andrew the Apostle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- М577 → M113 armored personnel carrier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- МHC Spartak → JHC Spartak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
More redirects with inappropriately used Cyrillic letters. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- LaundryPizza03, can you clarify what you mean by "inappropriately used"? Is there a rule that mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman are always inappropriate? -Thibbs (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- I can elaborate:
- Аɪ (IPA): Cyrillic characters are not used in IPA. It should be a Latin lowercase ⟨a⟩.
- М577: M113 was developed by the United States military and is not particularly associated with any language using the Cyrillic alphabet.
- The other redirects (В. В. Kurasov, ВD, СGA, С.M.S.A.A., МHC Spartak) mix Latin and Cyrillic letters in a manner that make them implausible search terms.
- There is extensive precedent to delete implausible mixed-script redirects. See, for example, Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_6#Аugust_2. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- LaundryPizza03 and the Man in Question - I was invited here to comment on one specific usage, namely "ВD", so I restrict my comments to that term.
I agree with you that the term "ВD" "mix[es] Latin and Cyrillic letters
", but I don't agree that it does so "in a manner that make[s it an] implausible search term[]
". Both "ВД" and "ВD" are used as initialisms (acronyms) for the Russian magazine Velikiy Drakon. In Russian the title is "Великий Dракон". You can see the mixed Cyrillic and Latin term "ВD" used several places in the Russian article. It also appears in several of the magazine's pages as a shorthand for the magazine. Considering that the Russian readers who use Wikipedia are plausibly likely to use the same initialism that the magazine itself used and that Russian Wikipedia in fact uses the mixed Cyrilic-Latin term on the ru.wiki article, wouldn't it make sense to use the common term as a redirect in this case? -Thibbs (talk) 21:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- I can elaborate:
- Delete all. As LaundryPizza said, the а in аɪ (IPA) is in Cyrillic. — the Man in Question (in question) 20:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete all. We can all agree, I expect, that these are wrong: there's no good reason to mix Cyrillic and Latin in these particular strings, and I can't envision a situation in which one should mix Cyrillic and Latin, aside from stylistic stuff that's as silly as heavy metal umlauts. (If you speak Russian and you're searching the English Wikipedia, will you really expect us to retain a Russian initialism? If you search here in Russian, why would you use anything but the full name?) And the only good reason to keep something that's outright wrong is if it's plausible, e.g. we keep Geroge Bush because it's a common typo. How could someone possibly combine Cyrillic and Latin by accident in this manner? Keyboards come with one script or another, but they don't come with both; the only way you can type С.M.S.A.A. with a Latin keyboard is copy/pasting the С from somewhere or typing an extended-character code, and you'll have to go through at least times that effort to type M S A on a Cyrillic keyboard. Nyttend (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Nyttend, I'm envisioning a scenario where someone copy&pastes the term from a discussion at the Velikiy Drakon website in order to read Wikipedia's article. It's very easy to imagine it happening. For example, make a search for the mixed term "ВD" here: http://www.greatdragon.ru/news/2967-who-is-vy-velikiy-drakon-istoriya-zhurnala.html#comment . Someone copy-and-pasting the term on Wikipedia would be left with the incorrect impression that Wikipedia did not cover the topic. And if you don't think that the redirect is never used just take a look at the pageviews analysis. It's obviously used on Wikipedia as a search term. -Thibbs (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep "ВD" - The term is used by the magazine Velikiy Drakon (i.e. the target of the redirect) and is used by Russian readers. Despite arguments above that it is difficult (for some) to create a two-letter mixed-character expression, copy&paste is a commonly-used tool online on all keyboards and the redirect is in fact used on Wikipedia as demonstrated by the pageviews analysis. The term is used numerous times in the ru.wikipedia version of the article which suggests that readers are familiar with the term and quite plausibly use it. -Thibbs (talk) 23:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Is there any difference between a mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression like "Toys Я Us" and the mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression "ВD"? I worry that familiarity with a well-known term like "Toys Я Us" is the sole difference between retaining redirects like that "Toys Я Us" and removing unfamiliar terms like "ВD" which is otherwise quite comparable. And I'll put a name to the concern: Systemic bias. -Thibbs (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC) (Shifted and heavily redacted. -Thibbs (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC))
- Ah, the ethnic bias card. I'm not spending time trying to present a reasoned argument against comments on contributors. Be aware that accusations of personal misbehavior without evidence are considered personal attacks, and anything more of this sort will result in a block request. Nyttend (talk) 01:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- I apologize if you felt attacked here. That was not nearly my intention. For the record I have zero reason to think that you have any ethnic bias. I was trying (perhaps inelegantly) to point out that there may be a systemic bias which can lead us astray in cases like this. I definitely did not intend to accuse you of anything. I'll try to rework the other question to make it less of a problem. -Thibbs (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Done. -Thibbs (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- I apologize if you felt attacked here. That was not nearly my intention. For the record I have zero reason to think that you have any ethnic bias. I was trying (perhaps inelegantly) to point out that there may be a systemic bias which can lead us astray in cases like this. I definitely did not intend to accuse you of anything. I'll try to rework the other question to make it less of a problem. -Thibbs (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, the ethnic bias card. I'm not spending time trying to present a reasoned argument against comments on contributors. Be aware that accusations of personal misbehavior without evidence are considered personal attacks, and anything more of this sort will result in a block request. Nyttend (talk) 01:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Is there any difference between a mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression like "Toys Я Us" and the mixed Cyrillic-Latin expression "ВD"? I worry that familiarity with a well-known term like "Toys Я Us" is the sole difference between retaining redirects like that "Toys Я Us" and removing unfamiliar terms like "ВD" which is otherwise quite comparable. And I'll put a name to the concern: Systemic bias. -Thibbs (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC) (Shifted and heavily redacted. -Thibbs (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC))
Мarsupipterinae
- Мarsupipterinae → Marsupipterus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Possible neologism for an incertae sedis family of this genus. The first letter is also Cyrillic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Cyrillic character makes this implausible. Plantdrew (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Already deleted Маrsupipterinae for the same reason. — the Man in Question (in question) 20:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:55, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Do i sounds gay
- Do i sounds gay → Do I Sound Gay? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible variant. — the Man in Question (in question) 04:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- How so? I made it because its what I had searched for in looking for the article. Thmazing (talk) 06:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Sounds instead of sound. There is separately a Do i sound gay redirect. It's sort of like creating a redirect for "To kills a mockingbird". — the Man in Question (in question) 06:27, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a common spelling variant of the topic as opposed to Lolcats AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC) 🎶Should I Stays or Should I Go🎶
- Keep 'S' is right next to 'd' on the keyboard. Per WP:R#KEEP No. 5:
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways.
The search system is shitty enough. Don't discourage someone who had a typo who wants to improve the system by adding a plausible misspelling.—Bagumba (talk) 08:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC) - Keep per WP:R#KEEP no. 5, creator and Bagumba. Claims that uspecified other redirects would not be useful are not relevant to this redirect (see WP:OTHRSTUFF and WP:VAGUEWAVE). Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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- I'm sorry, having way too much fun imagining Gollum saying this! --BDD (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
What is this thing called thinking
- What is this thing called thinking → What Is Called Thinking? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausibly different than the correct title. As a Google Books search shows, What Is This Thing Called Thinking? is not an alternate version of the correct title. — the Man in Question (in question) 04:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm not sure I understand how the rotten translation "What Is Called Thinking?" has stuck for a book that ought to be "What Does Thinking Mean?" or somesuch, and so I'm prepared to accept "What is this thing called thinking" as a similar rotten translation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- I've just read the 2nd reference on the page, and I think I get it now, but even so... Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Why is this grounds for keeping it? It's an unused (i.e., unreal) name for the book. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's a plausible alternative translation of the German title, that actually manages to sound more natural in English than the official translation. signed, Rosguill talk 22:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Why is this grounds for keeping it? It's an unused (i.e., unreal) name for the book. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- I've just read the 2nd reference on the page, and I think I get it now, but even so... Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. signed, Rosguill talk 20:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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Chinese and Japanese names of the United States
All of the listed titles are indeed ways of writing the name of the United States using Chinese characters. The longstanding precedent at RfD is that such foreign names aren't wanted unless the language has an affinity for the United States, as defined at WP:FORRED. As there have been literally dozens of such deletion discussions in the past, just for this single target, I will spare the reader from linking them all, but in addition to the old discussion for some of these forms you can see Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_March_22#美,Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_4#Mihapjungguk, and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 21#Rice Country which all concluded that affinity doesn't exist. Therefore, these should all be deleted. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 00:00, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep 美國 and 美国. See more recent discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 11#États-Unis and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4#États-Unis d'Amérique. Chinese is the third most spoken language in the United States per Languages of the United States. Delete 米利堅合衆国 as Japanese is only the 17th most spoken language. Delete 美利堅合衆国 as a mish-mash of Traditional and Simplified Chinese characters. Hoa Kỳ, الولايات المتحدة and 미국 should probably be created. feminist (talk) 09:04, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep 美国 and 美國. As pageviews reveal, the former is definitely used, and the latter also receives some use. (In fact, I honestly think I used one of them some years ago.) Delete 米利堅合衆国 and 美利堅合衆国, which have essentially no pageviews. (Pageviews should by no means always be used as basis for keeping or losing a redirect, but in this case, as opposed to a spelling variant of the English name or a creative phrasing or what have you, they seem pretty relevant to me.) — the Man in Question (in question) 13:36, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete all Chinese is not
an official languagea "national language" of the US, unlike French with Canada or Switzerland. Per WP:R#DELETE No. 8:In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created.
.—Bagumba (talk) 06:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC) - Keep 美國 and 美国 per feminist. Also, the US doesn't have an official language. signed, Rosguill talk 06:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
official language
: I think you were referring to my about comment, which I have redacted to loosely mean "national language". Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 06:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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Solar (Star Fox series)
- Solar (Star Fox series) → Star Fox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wolfen (Star Fox series) → Star Fox#Wolfen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete - unnecessary and unlikely redirect with mal-formatted disambiguation. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Idk why only these two were grouped up. However, I'd say Wolfen (Star Fox series) is pretty useful and mentioned in the article. Could always be better properly tagged. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 20:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- They are grouped because they both have incorrect disambiguations. I believe Wolfen (Star Fox) could be a possible redirect, but these aren't.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ZXCVBNM: Then why delete them? That doesn't make any sense. If they're useful to someone, then WP:CHEAP applies. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- You cite WP:CHEAP, I cite WP:COSTLY. Just because they are useful to one person doesn't mean they aren't clutter for everyone else. Ultimately you can make the WP:CHEAP argument about literally every redirect in existence.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, what portion of WP:COSTLY do you feel applies? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm thinking WP:RDAB since it's a disambiguation error. It's not using proper disambiguation syntax since the article is not called that.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, what portion of WP:COSTLY do you feel applies? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- You cite WP:CHEAP, I cite WP:COSTLY. Just because they are useful to one person doesn't mean they aren't clutter for everyone else. Ultimately you can make the WP:CHEAP argument about literally every redirect in existence.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ZXCVBNM: Then why delete them? That doesn't make any sense. If they're useful to someone, then WP:CHEAP applies. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- They are grouped because they both have incorrect disambiguations. I believe Wolfen (Star Fox) could be a possible redirect, but these aren't.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Star Fox#Wolfen can be reached by the DAB page Wolfen; a new redirect Wolfen (Star Fox) could be created, if it really seems necessary, but Wolfen (Star Fox series) is not properly disambiguated. The same goes for Solar (Star Fox series), except that there is no mention of Solar in the article, and so a Solar (Star Fox) redirect definitely shouldn't be made unless/until information on Solar is added to the article. — the Man in Question (in question) 03:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- That's literally splitting hairs. You could easily just move Wolfen (Star Fox series) to Wolfen (Star Fox) if so needed. I see absolutely no reason why we need to rush to delete this. I also question the logic of bundling Solar with Wolfen while every other nomination on this page related to Star Fox is unbundled. The question of whether or not Solar should be kept is irrelevant to whether Wolfen should be kept (which mind you- would suddenly be inaccessible from the search bar if you delete it). –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 13:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with the two being grouped, because ZXCVBNM's reason for deleting the two is the same. "(Star fox series)" is not a proper DAB. — the Man in Question (in question) 18:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Also if I moved one to the other, it would still leave a redirect in both places. This is to delete this redirect, which anyone besides an admin cannot do.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: That's right if you did as much. However, anyone with the Pagemover user right has the ability to move a page without leaving a redirect. In this case, WP:PMRC#9 would apply if the !vote here was to rename. It's been done before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, I applied for it. I honestly didn't know that was a thing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- No problem! Just so you know, the only time you can rename a redirect without using WP:RfD would be when it qualifies for WP:CSD. Generally (from my limited understandings of the matter), WP:G4 applies for round-robin page moves, and WP:R3 applies for unambiguous unintentional typos except in a few cases. When an RFD closes as rename, WP:G6 applies I believe. Hope that helps somewhat. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, I applied for it. I honestly didn't know that was a thing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: That's right if you did as much. However, anyone with the Pagemover user right has the ability to move a page without leaving a redirect. In this case, WP:PMRC#9 would apply if the !vote here was to rename. It's been done before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Also if I moved one to the other, it would still leave a redirect in both places. This is to delete this redirect, which anyone besides an admin cannot do.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with the two being grouped, because ZXCVBNM's reason for deleting the two is the same. "(Star fox series)" is not a proper DAB. — the Man in Question (in question) 18:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- That's literally splitting hairs. You could easily just move Wolfen (Star Fox series) to Wolfen (Star Fox) if so needed. I see absolutely no reason why we need to rush to delete this. I also question the logic of bundling Solar with Wolfen while every other nomination on this page related to Star Fox is unbundled. The question of whether or not Solar should be kept is irrelevant to whether Wolfen should be kept (which mind you- would suddenly be inaccessible from the search bar if you delete it). –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 13:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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P:POK
Unused (and kind of confusing) WP:PNS. Alternatives include: Portal:PKMN, P:POKEMON, P:POKE (which really should be P:PKMN, but I digress), and Portal:Pokemon. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Why is it confusing? Is it ambiguous with anything else? Not sure I see a problem. PC78 (talk) 21:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Question Do we have any standards on how properly to format P:-to-portal redirects? Unless we do, I see no reason to delete this, because it works and (as PC78 notes) it doesn't look confusing. Nyttend (talk) 23:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Generally, because these are technically considered cross-namespace redirects, my personal philosophy is that we should have only one or two unless there is evidence towards their active use as to be conservative about it.
For the other point, I don't think the phrase POK could mean much else, but it wasn't exactly clear before I clicked it. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)- Per WP:PNS, "P:" is a valid shortcut for the Portal namespace, and per WP:RFD#DELETE these are an exception to the "cross-namespace redirect" rule. I don't see any technical issues with this. PC78 (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Generally, because these are technically considered cross-namespace redirects, my personal philosophy is that we should have only one or two unless there is evidence towards their active use as to be conservative about it.
- Keep per my above comments. This is an unambiguous and unproblematic shortcut which has existed since 2006. PC78 (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Portal:POK. Peter James (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Lylat system
- Lylat system → Star Fox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lylat System → Star Fox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete - unnecessary, when Lylat isn't even a redirect. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Lylat wouldn't need to be a redirect because it doesn't mean anything. Lylat system is pretty specific as to be the thing from Star Fox (as mentioned in the article). –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep both and tag
{{R from fictional location}}
as mentioned right away in the lead paragraph and multiple places. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:00, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep both per above. Looks ok to me. PC78 (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per arguments above. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Portal:BEP
- Portal:BEP → Portal:Business (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete No obvious relation to the target; not used on any "production" or talk pages. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Presumably an abbreviation of "Business & Economics Portal"? PC78 (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep Portal:Economics redirects there too, so we don't have an WP:XY problem. "Portal:BEP" is a bit redundant (and there's no Portal:BE), but this gets a bit of usage. --BDD (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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Cultural enrichment
- Cultural enrichment → Enrichment culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, with retargeting being even better if someone can think of a good target; I can't.
"Cultural enrichment" sounds like multiculturalism and so on, a human culture being enriched by concepts from another human culture. An enrichment culture, however, is the use of certain growth media to favor the growth of a particular microorganism over others. One name is basically the other turned around, but one talks about human culture and the other's applicable to bacteria. Much better to delete this so someone realises that it needs some work, and even better to retarget this to a good place if that good place already exists. Note that I discovered this in a WP:RDH discussion; see [3]. Nyttend (talk) 10:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- +1. I would have retargeted myself it were easy, but somehow it is not. Strange to see a so long article Cultural appropriation, and nothing on this. I checked culture, culture change, Cultural assimilation... Looks to me that cultural appropriation and cultural enrichment are just the same, and actually a pair of bad name given to neutral trans-cultural diffusion. Both term are only to shame people whatever they do about adopting something from another culture (they do? How dare they, shame on them for the cultural appropriation. They don't? How dare they, shame on them for their rejection of cultural enrichment). Methink those should be stripped to nothing except the political use, and trans-cultural diffusion enriched. I am not very confident this can be done, because identity politics are real, including in wikipedia. Gem fr (talk) 10:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cultural pluralism. It seems to be the best target, unless someone finds an even better one. — Kpalion(talk) 11:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Agree the current redirect makes no sense. Multiculturalism is another option, but I wouldn't object to the ones listed above. Cultural mosaic is a possibility, but maybe too narrow? It seems we have an awful lot of articles on this topic that aren't very well differentiated. Matt Deres (talk) 13:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Indeed. Not sure a single link/redirect will do. Or it would need to be some master article about culture diffusion, with all other article dependent as specialized. Maybe we should start a stub, with all these links in "see also", namely: Cultural pluralism cultural appropriation culture change trans-cultural diffusion Multiculturalism Cultural mosaic? The expression as use enough to be more than a redirect. Gem fr (talk) 22:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Retarget to Arts in education. Other retargets in a similar vein are possible. As used in a number of academic articles on JSTOR (see here), "cultural enrichment" actually seems to refer to the educational objective of exposing children to the arts. Compare for example this quote from an article: "The Cultural Enrichment Project in Dodge County, Georgia, was organized for the purpose of providing quality music and art education to elementary school children in a culturally deprived area and to provide in-service training for classroom teachers in art and music." So this use of culture seems to mean high culture. There does not appear to be a Wikipedia page expressly devoted to Art education, but instead Visual arts education, Music education, and Arts in education. — the Man in Question (in question) 01:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. This clearly could mean multiple things. I'll draft this right now. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @The Man in Question, Gem fr, Matt Deres, Kpalion, and Nyttend: Can I get your thoughts on the page as it stands now? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- I like it; you're absolutely right - it's an ambiguous term and is probably best served with a DAB. Makes sense to me. Matt Deres (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Are there any sources supporting the multiple meanings? Not that a disambiguation page should be sourced, but I don't want us creating misinformation by suggesting a term means something it doesn't. — the Man in Question (in question) 23:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @The Man in Question: If it had the word culture in it, and could be reasonably understood as to "enrich" I added it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Are there any sources supporting the multiple meanings? Not that a disambiguation page should be sourced, but I don't want us creating misinformation by suggesting a term means something it doesn't. — the Man in Question (in question) 23:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- I like it, too. At least it is open door. If someone has a meaning in mind, he will find it, while being aware that other people might give it other meaning Gem fr (talk) 19:50, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- I think Arts in education should be shifted to a regular bullet-point entry. MOS:DAB largely reserves that for PRIMARYTOPICs. --BDD (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- @BDD: I personally felt that it was, but I don't necessarily disagree with moving it to a bullet point. It's now been Done/. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. My objection was more procedural—if we considered it the primary topic, the base name should've redirected there, with the disambiguation page at a (disambiguation) title. The disambiguation page should make it easier to gauge primary topic in the future, by comparing page views of the disambiguation page and those that it links to. --BDD (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- @BDD: I personally felt that it was, but I don't necessarily disagree with moving it to a bullet point. It's now been Done/. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- I like it; you're absolutely right - it's an ambiguous term and is probably best served with a DAB. Makes sense to me. Matt Deres (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @The Man in Question, Gem fr, Matt Deres, Kpalion, and Nyttend: Can I get your thoughts on the page as it stands now? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Disambiguate The draft looks good! --BDD (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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New Brunswick Road to Resources
- New Brunswick Road to Resources → New Brunswick Route 180 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Road to Resources (New Brunswick) → New Brunswick Route 180 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No obvious justification for this at the target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
What is now Route 180 between Bathurst and Saint-Quentin used to be called the "Road to Resources" as it was a main logging road.[1] Today, Route 180 it it still colloquially known as such.[2] YourAviationPro (talk) 19:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- We could probably put this to bed pretty easily with a sourced statement about the road's historical nickname. --BDD (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Opinions on driving between Bathurst and Saint Quentin - Re:Opinions on driving between Bathurst and Saint Quentin #1 - Rob H." Trip Adviser. Retrieved 3 July 2019.
- ^ "The Road to Resources". Andrew Lavigne's Website. Retrieved 3 July 2019.
- Keep per above. Seems legit but consider adding this to the article. PC78 (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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