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My 11-year-old asked Google Home today how many people were killed in the second world war. Google Home answered "According to Wikipedia, over 6,000 American and Japanese troops died in the fighting." This is a '''TERRIBLE''' answer. The sentence is taken from the caption to the third image on the Wikipedia page [[World War II casualties]], and is obviously taken out of context in a bad way. A friend tried asking the same question and gets this answer about 20% of the time, other times more or less correct answers from this article and elsewhere. I get it every time I ask. '''Could Google Home be using this phrase from the caption because of some metadata or formatting in the caption? How would Google Home be choosing that particular phrase for its answer rather than the correct answers, and is there a way to fix this?''' --[[User:Lijil|Lijil]] ([[User talk:Lijil|talk]]) 17:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
My 11-year-old asked Google Home today how many people were killed in the second world war. Google Home answered "According to Wikipedia, over 6,000 American and Japanese troops died in the fighting." This is a '''TERRIBLE''' answer. The sentence is taken from the caption to the third image on the Wikipedia page [[World War II casualties]], and is obviously taken out of context in a bad way. A friend tried asking the same question and gets this answer about 20% of the time, other times more or less correct answers from this article and elsewhere. I get it every time I ask. '''Could Google Home be using this phrase from the caption because of some metadata or formatting in the caption? How would Google Home be choosing that particular phrase for its answer rather than the correct answers, and is there a way to fix this?''' --[[User:Lijil|Lijil]] ([[User talk:Lijil|talk]]) 17:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

== Collaborative Edit - Marc J. Lane ==

Hello.

I'd like to draw your attention to an issue with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_J._Lane. First, I'll disclose that I'm an employee of Mr. Lane's. I've been assigned to try to restore his Wikipedia page to include a substantial amount of the text that has been cut by various Wikipedia editors. I began this process back in October, at that time simply restoring from the page's history approximately 14,000 characters that had been cut. The restoration did not last. The editors who keep watch over the page immediately reverted the page to its status quo ante and criticized me for even making the edits myself, pointing to the Wikipedia policy of encouraging anyone affiliated with the subject of the page to do no more than suggest edits on the talk page. Fair enough. I was unaware of the policy.

Thereafter (and still in early October), I posted the following to the [[Talk:Marc_J._Lane|Marc J. Lane article Talk Page]]:


"Hello all. I am affiliated with the Law Offices of Marc J. Lane. I recently attempted to restore a substantial amount of text that had been deleted by editors who believed it to be too self-promotional. The text had been previously deleted on the grounds that it was written by someone who inadvertently failed to disclose their affiliation with the Law Offices. So in restoring the text, I disclosed my affiliation. That apparently made no difference to the editors. I respectfully disagree with their assessment as to the self-promotional nature of the article, but as there is no higher power to appeal to, it seems the article will need to be rewritten.

I am willing to do that, but I don't have the time to do a complete rewrite only to have the article chopped down again. So I'm proposing to whomever might edit my work that we collaborate in advance of a re-write to identify what's acceptable and in line with Wikipedia's editorial standards, which I fully support. I just don't want to waste my time.

Can anyone who would be monitoring and/or editing my work please respond to discuss my proposed collaboration?


All the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)"



As you'll see, no one has responded. I firmly believe the page is not nearly as biased as some of the editors seem to think it is. It is based largely on independent (i.e. non-Marc J. Lane) sources. And I don't think the language it uses is self-promotional, really. What is problematic about the following, for example: "By appointment of Governor Pat Quinn, Lane served as the State of Illinois' Task Force on Social Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and Enterprise..."? The authority cited to for that text is the Social Enterprise Alliance. This was among the 14,000 characters that have been cut.

So I'm in a tough spot. On the one hand, I have to respect Wikipedia's wishes and not edit the Marc J. Lane article myself. On the other hand, none of the editors who would call me out for making edits myself seem to be the least bit interested in collaborating on edits. That is why I'm reaching out for your help.

Can you kindly suggest a way to proceed past this impasse?


Best,

Plutarchos21

Revision as of 18:00, 27 November 2019

    Welcome—ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia! (Am I in the right place?)

    November 23

    Re:publish article about our hospital

    Hi,

    we need some advise to publish article about our Hospital. Tell me how to create and publish

    Thank you

    Hi V2Groups and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user name and use of "we" suggest that you might be an organisation. Wikipedia does not allow organisations to have an account, so you might like to create an individual account to be used by one person. It also appears that you might have a WP:Conflict of interest or even WP:Paid status in trying to write the article. You need to comply with those policies (click the links for details). Having said all that, I'm not trying to discourage you. You might like to read WP:Your first article, and remember that any draft article should be based on what WP:Reliable sources say about your hospital, not on what you know or on what the hospital want to say about itself. If you tell us the name of the hospital, we might be able to give more specific help. Dbfirs 07:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    adding to existing page

    May I ask how can I add the name of my film to the Documentaries on architecture existing page? how can I start a new page after having an account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niliport (talkcontribs) 23 November 2019 10:56 (UTC)

    @Niliport: It seems from your contributions that you have been trying to add a film to the category pages and that your edits have been undone (reverted). To be added to the category, the film first has to have a Wikipedia article about it, which means that it has to pass the general notability guidelines or the more specific film guidelines. Any article would need to be created by editors without a connection to the subject and would report on what has been written about the topic in independent reliable sources. Wikipedia has little, if any, interest in what a subject, or any person connected with it, has to say about itself. This is known as a conflict of interest and is one of the ways in which Wikipedia tries to ensure neutrality. See also WP:PAID and make any necessary disclosures. If and when an article does exist, the category would be added to it not the other way around. If you look at any Wikipedia article, you will see categories listed right at the bottom of the page. Eagleash (talk) 12:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How to create Wikipedia Page

    Hi sir/madam,

    Please need your suggestions, please help me how to create Wikipedia account......

    Thank you Rakesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rktofs (talkcontribs)

    Hey, Rakesh! It's really simple, just search up the title you want and see if it's not chosen yet, and if it isn't, Wikipedia will automatically ask you if you want to start making the article. Hopefully this helped! Nambaseking01 (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Before starting your new page, you might like to read WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners, and make sure that your new article is based on WP:Reliable sources. Dbfirs 13:46, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) @Rktofs: On the assumption that you are asking how to create a Wikipedia page about a notable subject (see that page for information) some useful links have been left at your talk page. Please study them carefully, particularly the 'first article' link. Please note that for a topic to merit an entry in the encyclopedia it must be notable (see above) in the Wikipedia sense which requires in-depth coverage in multiple reliable independent sources and proper citing of sources within the article; see (the guide to adding references). However, you also mention 'account'. Your account is what has allowed you to post here (by registering a username, eMail and a password). To create your userpage, click on the redlink of your name in the first post in this thread. This will take you to a blank page where you can tell other editors a little about yourself and how you intend to contribute to the encyclopedia. (Please don't write an article-like 'autobiography' about yourself there!). Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    QUICK REPLY

    HELLO wikipedia Thank you for your wonderful job helping us with us with every information we need, i just want to know if i can create my own biography, if possible how do i begin and would it cost money? thanks again

    It's almost certainly a waste of time to try, see WP:AUTO. However, if you want to try anyway, take the time to read Help:Your first article carefully. All you invest is your own time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course you can create your own biography, but it's best not to do it on Wikipedia. —Tamfang (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Attempting to Develop a Page for State Representative Martin Daniel

    Hi,

    I am trying to create a Wikipedia page for a client of mine and am having trouble. I have attempted to follow the sandbox help to do this, and have published the sandbox, with the information arranged for setting up a page. When I have published it though, it is not showing up, can someone please help me understand what must be done to get the page up and running on wikipedia?

    Thank you!— Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinDanielTN (talkcontribs) 23 November 2019 16:29 (UTC)

    MartinDanielTN If you are not Rep. Daniel, you cannot use his name as your username and you must change it immediately. Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a request. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The sandbox is not formally a part of the encyclopedia; you must submit it for review using Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @MartinDanielTN:Since he is your client, you are a paid editor and you must declare your paid status in order to comply with the terms of service imposed by the owners of the Wikipedia website. See WP:PAID. You also have a (completely understandable and acceptable) conflict of interest (WP:COI), so you must submit your draft for review instead of directly adding it as an article: you are OK so far in that regard. Also, be aware that once an article is in Wikipedia, you will have no control over its contents. Anyone will be able to add prpperly-sourced information to the article, including negative information. -Arch dude (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    MartinDanielTN I would add that members of state legislatures do meet the notability guidelines for politicians so there is no issue there; you just need to do as requested here. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Publishing article in Wikipedia

    How to create a separate page on a article that i want to publish it here. Kindly help me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BPt2 (talkcontribs)

    BPt2 Are you saying that you want to create a new article which would have the same title as an existing article? 331dot (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @BPt2: On the assumption that you are asking how to create a Wikipedia page about a notable subject (see that page for information) some useful links have been left at your talk page. Please study them carefully, particularly the 'first article' link. Please note that for a topic to merit an entry in the encyclopedia it must be notable (see above) in the Wikipedia sense which requires in-depth coverage in multiple reliable independent sources and proper citing of sources within the article; see (the guide to adding references). See also, WP:AfC and to start a draft article, which can be submitted when ready see WP:WIZ. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Recipient of the Legion of Honor, CHEVALIER DE LA LEGION D'Honneur.

    I am a retired Assistant Director, US Secret Service. While assigned to our Paris Office, I was presented the award by President Chirac on December 21,2001. I have all documentation which would be necessary to support me being added to your list of recipients, to include the Chevalier Medal Insignia and Certificate. I may be the only American Law Enforcement person to have received the award. Could you please inform me as to whom I should forward my request. Patrick C. Miller, Sr.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:151:c302:a690:48b5:1077:7f4e:faf6 (talk)

    The first thing that there would need to be is an article about you, which there doesn't seem to be. In order to be included in a List article(I assume we are talking about List of foreign recipients of the Légion d'Honneur by country), there needs to be an article about you. If there is significant coverage of you or your career in independent reliable sources, it sounds like you would meet the criteria, but it is strongly advised that editors not attempt to write about themselves here, please see the autobiography policy for more information. To request an article, you can visit Requested Articles. You could also comment on the article talk page (Talk:List of foreign recipients of the Légion d'Honneur by country). 331dot (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    331dot, not all the members of that list have articles, though. Maybe all that's needed is a single source supporting it? --valereee (talk) 23:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    As I understand general policy, members of list articles need to have articles of their own or at least the prospect of one. 331dot (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    List of foreign recipients of the Légion d'Honneur by country does specify that inclusions on that list are notable recipients, which would seem to mean either an article or the prospect of it. Would a single significant mention in a reliable source possibly support the prospect of an article? --valereee (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    According to the website "Some 320 foreigners can be awarded this honor every year but, unlike French nationals, they are not members of the Legion of Honor", so it's not a terribly exclusive club. I have been unable t o independently verify the award to Mr Miller, the only source I can find is a site promoting his business. DuncanHill (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    I broke the transclusion somehow

    Talk:Makiyakinabe/GA1 isn't transcluding properly to the article talk -- what have I done wrong? --valereee (talk) 22:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Just lagging behind a little, from what I can tell. Happens from time to time. A quick purge of the talk page seems to have fixed things. AddWittyNameHere 23:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    AddWittyNameHere, oh, thanks, I didn't realize transclusions could lag! --valereee (talk) 23:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Valereee Yup. Well, the more technical explanation is that when a page gets edited, it is cached on the servers and that cached version then gets served upon request. If the page is transcluded to another page, that page also gets cached. If the first page (the one that gets transcluded) is changed, that page's cache is always updated--but not necessarily the cache of pages that transclude or link to it. Effectively speaking, those pages then thus "lag behind" the other page. AddWittyNameHere 23:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


    November 24

    Another language

    Why is no more possible to read in another languagw? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.54.125.178 (talk) 01:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Howdy hello! You likely only ran into that on a specific page. Many pages have versions in other languages, but many of the more obscure topics do not. You should be able to confirm that pages exist in many languages by going to Barack Obama and seeing that there are versions of the article in dozens of languages. As a counterpoint, Townsend v. Sain only exists in English, as editors on other language projects have not translated/created an equivalent article. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! 04:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I find exactly what I'm looking for, or searching for, without going through everything but what I want

    Everything I look for, I never find, here or on any sites Sent feedback on Google, Amazon, eBay, etc

    I've read people's feedbacks from 1999-2000, that were mentioning that same issue, back then, and people that are still talking about them, on either feedbacks or on some forums off various contexts

    There is obviously a big problem, that prevents from really making any changes to sites, as technologies, specially with Artificial Intelligence, is so advance that almost everything can be done, and they show us with robotics, that some amazing things are going on well, I properly done (with no evel intent)

    So why isn't this same Intelligence is not used to get the internet search as easy to get our information Example like, "" if I enter a sentence for my search it should be way more specific than if I just put a couple of words""

    Searching for, ""2007 Honda Rubicon"" Versus. "" 2007 Honda Rubicon gpscape 🇨🇦 trail edition"", - the second one, witch is more like a sentence or a more refined, that gives more inputs to the search, should, nowadays, make it easier for the, "search engine", if you want to call it like it used to be called,

    This more specific/accurate input, should allow to eliminate all the non related and somewhat related things, that would refined to the search exactitude right away

    After that the main subject is covered, a feedback section should be added, for (someone who would like to get more specific info, if need be)

    Also when there are some pictures of the (like above, the ATV mentioned), all those pictures should be the exact same as the search, with like same year and model

    Then it could mentioned about from to what year that ATV was made, so from there the person who know that he/she can also look at the parts that are sold somewhere else, for example

    Then have a some kind of a line separation, that shows that now your into similar/related subjects or pictures, so you are looking at exact pictures of that ATV, and not a modified version of it , or a similar model, that sometimes you know that it is not the right one, or don't know, because pictures are not separated

    All these little tweeks, would make so much more sense and make everyones life so much easierAnd would save so much time waiting on the Internet, that it would free up speed of search, so people would probably be happier and not as frustrated

    And maybe would consider looking and buying more, the fact that they can find what they need, promptly and fast If they can implant miniature AI computer/brain into an insect robot size,

    They can upgrade easily the fonctionning of a simple search engine

    So please help us to get our feedbacks to where they need to be sent, so we can all enjoy the benefit of the improvement


    Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:B100:D1B:C8C7:CAEB:28E3:414D:E90E (talk) 02:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Howdy hello! I'm afraid Wikipedia has no bearing over how search engines work. We aren't Google or any other search provider, and thus don't control how searches are made and show up. And our own internal search is only built to match keywords. Technology is not yet at the level you are proposing, alas. Please also note that Wikipedia is not a place to discuss general topics, the behind the scenes "talk" pages like this one are used only to improve Wikipedia and its articles. And before I go, Welcome to Wikipedia! Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! 04:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How do you add a photo to the bio page for Stephen Schlesinger (of course, with that individual's permission)?

    How do you add a photo to the bio page for Stephen Schlesinger (of course, with that individual's permission)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1382:88DD:3117:8BE5:94A2:3D9C (talk) 02:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    The subject of an article has no control over the article's content. This includes pictures, so we do not need the subject's permission. However, we do need a picture whose copyright owner as released the picture with an appropriate copyright license such as the CC-BY-SA. Unless the picture has a compatible copyright license, you cannot add it. As for the actual mechanics, after you have an image with the proper license on your computer, you upload it by clicking on the "upload file" link in the left-hand column on this or any other Wikipedia page, and then follow the instructions. At the end of the upload process, the picture is available to be added to one or more articles: follow the (terse) instructions at that point, or come back here for further help. -Arch dude (talk) 04:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) If you took the photo yourself, then you probably own the copyright and can upload the photo to WP:Commons with the appropriate licence. You can then link to that Commons image in the article. If someone else took the photo, then they should do the uploading. In general, images found on the internet are assumed to be copyright and should not be uploaded. See Wikipedia:Uploading images for a full discussion, but fair use is unlikely to be applicable to a living person. The subject's permission is irrelevant unless the image is a selfie, in which case they should upload it themselves. Dbfirs 05:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Pease restore info box at eth top of this article- which was accidently removed etc. Srbernadette (talk) 05:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Srbernadette, Done! Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! 05:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Anne Schedeen

    Her parents are listed as Shontelle. I’m pretty sure a 70 year old Caucasian woman was not born to a 25 year old African American wannabe rapper. Please fix it. Also, someone has edited Jo Ann Pflug’s picture making her African American! Could you please correct those two mistakes. I love Wikipedia and it’s the only source I read when I research someone. I love it so much I just donated $20 to you! Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conservative56 (talkcontribs) 11:48, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.
    Hello Conservative56, thank you pointing out these issues (although they seem to be probably caused by Google in this case). If you see further problems directly in Wikipedia articles, please link to the article in question using a "Wiki-link" such as [[article title]] enclosed in double square brackets. It's easier for other editors to help then. Of course you are also welcome to fix such errors yourself if you like. GermanJoe (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Kashish jivani/sandbox

    I have completed my Wikipedia article. But I am unable to upload it as there does not appear the submission button on my sandbox page. Please help me with this.

    Your draft User:Kashish jivani/sandbox has zero reliable sources so it would be pointless to submit it. Theroadislong (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Why has my edit been reverted?

    I did the edit in Charlotte Devaney. She played transgender Bobbie in the film "How to Lose Friends & Alienate People". I wrote about this, but my contribution has been undone immediately. It is mistake. 176.59.46.11 (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Probably because you have given no source for this change which some people see as excessive detail about a minor character anyway. Britmax (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding lots of pages to a Category

    Hi, I am trying to add Grand mosques (also called Jameh, Juma, Joma, Jame, Jama, Dzhuma, Friday or Congregational mosques) to the category Category:Grand_mosques but there are a lot of them and it is highly time-consuming, is there any bots or easier way to add them? (for example they're mostly listed Here and Here)Pouyakhani (talk) 15:02, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    If you assemble a list of all pages you want to add to this category, you can post a request on Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks where someone who has access to semi-automatic tools will add the category for you. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Help

    Hello, I have an assignment, which is requiring to edit two pages of Wikipedia. I would like to know what articles, might require basic editing. Would you be able to help me in finding such articles, or do you have suggestions of how do this assignment? Grammar is not my strongest field, and I am afraid to try to fix something and instead make it worse.

    Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:830f:1900:70a8:8ff0:7110:c79d (talk) 20:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Depends on your interests. I got started by fixing lots of typos, you can see hints on how to do this at WP:TYPO. You and your teacher should read Wikipedia:Student_assignments for guidance on editing Wikipedia as a school assignment. RudolfRed (talk) 20:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Vandalism

    When I come across obvious vandalism, how can I report it so that the vandal can be dealt with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeDetweiler (talkcontribs) 20:30, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Among the useful links in the welcome message on your user talk page, one is to the advice at WP:Vandalism. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Plot formatting

    Hello, everybody! As to this section, is there a way to a) increase the spacing above the timeline plot to default spacing (which is less then if one added a <br>, for instance), and b) reduce the spacing below the plot to default as well?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

     Done. The edit history will show you how I did it, if you want to make further adjustments. Maproom (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maproom: Thanks a lot! Do you have an idea, by any chance, how to increase the spacing above the heading "Timeline" to default (i. e. not using formatting such as an extra blank line, or tags like <br> or <div style="clear:both;"></div>, rendering wider spacings than usual)?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Hildeoc: no. But I've changed "Current" and "Timeline" to subheaders (and increased the "top" space for the timeline again), maybe this looks better. Please revert if you think it doesn't. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maproom: Thank you. However, adding extra subheaders is, of course, no more than just a rather dubious workaround … Does anybody around here maybe have a more pertinent suggestion?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikimedia Foundation error, relatively recent possible parameter change/adverse effects

    It is not an encouraging situation to encounter a Wikimedia Foundation error 9 times in a row, in order to edit a section. (The 10th attempt worked).

    Wikimedia Foundation error Texas-sized details
    I reported a less challenging set of attempts to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_Starling#Posible_parameter_change_with_adverse_effects, thinking that someone at his level might immediately say aha, I know the cause. Perhaps he's doing something more important, and perhaps it's less like "jumping the line" to post this here:
    The "please report" info for today's matter is:
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 226052492
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:29:56 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 240127459
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:33:13 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 230335681
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:39:27 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 248294414
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:53:29 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 237563280
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:55:30 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 241195508
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:59:14 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 243351260
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:01:49 GMT
    • Request from 72.251.70.112 via cp1081 frontend, Varnish XID 263346781
      • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:05:13 GMT

    **Update**

    First I tried repeating my success (9 failed, the 10th worked). That was for a section.
    For a (not very long) article, more than a Baker's dozen fails, I set up three windows and clicked on all three one after the other. That didn't work, so I tried FOUR. Still didn't work.
    (I also tried deleting all cookies. didn't help either) Pi314m (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Paris Métro

    Hi,

    I'm asking for help as I don't know how to do this myself:

    • On Argentine (Paris Métro), in the inbox, please replace "Charles de Gaulle - Étoile (Paris Métro)" by "Charles de Gaulle–Étoile" (page name)
    • On George V (Paris Métro), in the inbox, please replace "Charles de Gaulle - Étoile (Paris Métro)" by "Charles de Gaulle–Étoile" (page name)
    • On Franklin D. Roosevelt (Paris Métro), in the inbox, please replace "Champs-Élysées – Clemenceau (Paris Métro)" by "Champs-Élysées–Clemenceau (Paris Métro)" (page name)
    • On Concorde (Paris Métro), in the inbox, please replace "Champs-Élysées – Clemenceau (Paris Métro)" by "Champs-Élysées–Clemenceau (Paris Métro)" (page name)

    Line 13's two northern termini are also mentioned in red in the infobox of Champs-Élysées–Clemenceau (Paris Métro), if you could also please correct that.

    Many thanks,

    LiteraryCritic24 (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi LiteraryCritic24, I've done most of those for you, but I get a duplicate link on the first, and I don't know how the template works on the northern termini. Perhaps someone who understands the template can finish the job for you? Dbfirs 07:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    November 25

    “The End if the Trail” statue

    “The End of the Trail” by James Earle Fraser (Wihipedua’s information is incorrect.). It was unveiled in 1915, winning the gold medal for sculptures at the San Francisco Panama-Pacific Exposition. Fraser had made several practice pieces, the statue that won the gold medal in 1915 was made of plaster.

    After the exposition, most of the sculptures ended up in a mud pit. It was rescued, restored and was placed on permanent exhibit at Mooney Grove, Visalia (in Tulare County) CA for 52 years.

    In need of restoration, the National Cowboy Hall of Fame (now known as National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum) on Oklahoma City, OK struck a deal with Tulare County. The Original 1915 plaster statue would be restored and installed in a climate controlled building, to be built specifically for the statue; in exchange, Visalia’s Mooney Grove Park would receive an exact bronze replica.

    I witnessed the removal in’68 & the unveiling in ‘71. I also visited it in its new home on ‘73.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.67.132 (talkcontribs) 25 November 2019 04:36 (UTC)

    If you have suggestions for edits or improvements to an article, you should start a discussion on that article's talk page. Information in an article must come from published, reliable sources. We can't use your personal recollections. RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your interest. Our strange model of crowdsourced editing by anonymous editors means that we can only accept information that has been published in reliable sources. It's not that we don't trust you, it's just that we have no other mechanism to verify what you or anyone else says. You do have one advantage: you know the dates and places, so you are in a much better position to search the Internet to find those sources. -Arch dude (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Giota Miroti

    Greek Super Model — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giota miroti (talkcontribs) 25 November 2019 08:22 (UTC)

    @Giota miroti: Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How to reply to Alert and other Talk messages

    Hello,

    I have received several messages as 'Alerts' and 'Talk' messages about various articles or about a question I asked, but, although having contributed to Wikipedia for many years, I still can't figure out how to reply o these messages, if only to thank their authors or to ask them questions on their comments. Nowhere is a 'Reply' button visible. Thanks to advise how to do this, Regards,

    Note: in general, as a long time user, I would comment that Wikipedia is a prime example of "How to make things complicated when they could be plain simple"; indeed, it is very 'user unfriendly', if not 'hostile'. If Wikipedia operating procedures and tools could be simplified and made more practical, it would most likely attract more contributors to Wikipedia.

    LlouestLlouest (talk) 10:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    To reply to a message on a talk page, click the edit button at the top of the section. See Help:Talk pages and WP:Talk page guidelines. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Nordahl Grieg - hit wrong button

    Hi, apologies ...! - just browsing the "History" section of the NG article, wanting to look at a "diff/cur" from 2017, I accidentally hit the "prev" button, that little circle that turns black when you hit it, but doesn't unblack again whatever you do ... Just afraid I might have carelessly undone two years of article improvement; and I didn't dare to try to "fix it". Could someone with editing experience please swoosh by and check that all is as it should be? Thx in advance. T 85.166.161.28 (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Not to worry, you haven't done anything. I'm not sure what circle you mean but I think you mean the radio buttons that let you choose two non-consecutive revisions to compare. You can restore an old revision from the history screen but of course you shouldn't without a good reason, and if you ever do anything by mistake it can always be undone. Thanks for your concern anyway. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, thx a lot, yes, "radio button" it must be. Phew. Wouldn't want to commit involuntary vandalism. Thx again. T
    If everyone who committed involuntary vandalism at some point in their editing was banned, most (all?) of us who have been volunteering here for years would be gone. I've got more than 70,000 edits, if 50 or more of them weren't involuntary vandalism, I'll eat my hat. You just figure it out (or get told) and revert your own changes.Naraht (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Vandalism is editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose, so "involuntary vandalism" is an oxymoron. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    how do i get a page removed?

    Hello, How do i get a page removed? The page in question is "Raleigh Grifter" It responsible for spreading false information pertaining to the Raleigh Grifter. NONE of what is written is TRUE and to be frank, its a joke Raleigh Grifter

    This surely needs to be removed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Raleigh Grifter Forum (talkcontribs)

    The page needs properly cited sources, as does your claim that "NONE of what is written is TRUE". If you can find sources that disagree with what's written there, use them to improve the article. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing a page

    I work for someone who wants to edit their wikipedia page. I've been attempting to do this for several weeks and even made an account but have still been unsuccessful. My boss wants her name changed on the page to something different and she also wants updated information. How can I do this? Is there someone we need to hire to obtain this? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Relaxandlaugh (talkcontribs) 25 November 2019 15:57 (UTC)

    @Relaxandlaugh: Before we can go any further, you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the necessary declarations. The latter page is mandatory under the terms of use. You should not edit the page directly but make edit rquests via the article talk page. It looks as though you have changed the name within the article but have been reverted. Wikipedia reports on what has been written about the subject in reliable sources. As far as I can see the sources at tjhe page refer to her as 'Dipa': see also WP:COMMONNAME. Please also note that it is Wikipedia's article about the subject and they have little, or no, control over what it contains. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Eagleash (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


    Would this be the talk page I'd use to make requests? Her IMDB page uses a different name, would that be a good enough source to change the information? Otherwise can I create a new page? Relaxandlaugh (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Relaxandlaugh: Not this page but the article talk page; click talk at the article itself. IMDb is not acceptable as a source as it has little editorial oversight (see WP:UGC). Please make the necessary declarations before editing further. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

    Lianna Rebolledo -- angelusnews.com/local/california/when-life-can-do-more-lianna-rebolledo-a-rape-survivor-becomes-a-pro-life-advocate-and-voice-for-those-suffering-similar-experiences/ Cite error for Angelus news source CaptJayRuffins (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How to properly cite or search for english source ??


    Syntax error in Lianna Rebolledo has been, fixed by John from Reading. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Table transclusion formatting trouble

    Hello, does anybody have an idea how to avoid having an excess line spacing rendered here above the transcluded table from Help:CS1 errors#Cite uses deprecated parameter |<param>?--Hildeoc (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Paramount Home Media Distribution (page)

    Hi, I'm an employee of Paramount Home Entertainment and am looking to correct a lot of wrong information on the Paramount Home Media Distribution page.

    If I'm asked to change the page name - is that possible? Our Division name has changed back to Paramount Home Entertainment. Where can I find the instructions to change the page name to Paramount Home Entertainment? Jeanette Estrem (talk) 19:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jeanette Estrem: Hi, Jeanette. Your user page does declare that you are an employee of the company, but it's a bit informal. Please see WP:PAID and perhaps make it a bit more formal. Note also that the WP:PAID policy requires that you refrain from directly editing articles about your employere or its works. Instead, make edit suggestions on the article's talk page. we call a change of title a "page move". Plese suggest this move instead of making it yourself. Our page title should reflect the name in most common use and should not necessarily reflect a recent change in the fromal name of a company: you may discuss this when you suggest the move. Please add {{request edit}} to your suggestion on the talk page to cause our software to attract the attention of a an editor who likes to do that stuff.
    Hello, Jeanette Estrem. Thank you for disclosing your connection with the subject; but we require more formal disclosure. The first thing you need to do is to read COI and WP:PAID, and make the required declaration on your user page and the talk page of that article Paramount Home Entertainment. Please understand that it is not your article, but Wikipedia's article about your division: Wikipedia is not much interested in what the company or division says about itself, or wants said, it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the company have published about it. You are welcome to request edits to that article, preferably citing independent sources for any information you wish to have added. To change the title of the article. please make a request at requested moves. --ColinFine (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Plainlist formatting

    Hello, everybody! Why exactly isn't there a line-break rendered here between the second and third web link on the left? How can that be fixed?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    {{plainlist}} changes the style of lists, but does not create lists. So you just need to append the * bullet in front of the items to make it a list. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thjarkur: Thank you. However, now it looks a bit packed … How can we get the usual default line spacing being rendered there?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Patrick Hobbs

    You people need to lock out the page for "Patrick Hobbs" since there are little children who are taking out their childish frustrations over Rutgers' failed football team on it.

    You can request page protection at WP:RFPP if there is ongoing vandalism. RudolfRed (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I see this was also raised at the Teahouse. Please don't post the same question to multiple pages. RudolfRed (talk) 20:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Fact check

    On the following page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Chicago_riots#cite_note-1 ), the following line ( Soon riots began, primarily in black urban areas where whites came to destroy neighborhoods and torture community members. ) seem incorrect and very racist towards white people. The link that accompanies that sentnence as a source mentions nothing of the sort. How could this have been missed? This needs to be looked at and changed immediately.

    I've removed that bit of vandalism which was missed at the end of October. Are there any other dubious statements unsupported by references? Dbfirs 21:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Citation Style 1 parameter output

    At Help:Citation Style 1, is there supposed to be no space rendered after the colon following the parameter denotation Bibcode? If so, why exactly?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Hildeoc: There is a space there after the colon, just like with all the other options. RudolfRed (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @RudolfRed: Sorry, but no, there is actually no space rendered after Bibcode: – cf. e. g. Milky_Way#cite_note-ssr100_1_129-1.--Hildeoc (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    In your OP, you appear to be asking about Help:Citation Style 1#csdoc_bibcode and yes there is, and is supposed to be, a space after the colon there. At Milky_Way#cite_note-ssr100_1_129-1, the rendering of |bibcode= is the same as |arxiv= and the same as |doi= in that citation: <identifier label><colon><identifier>. That is how it is supposed to be.
    Trappist the monk (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How do you propose speedily deletion to a article or talk page?

    I was trying to propose speedily deletion here because it was made only for vandalism, but it didn’t work, and so my edit was reverted, please tell me how to propose speedily deletion on an article or talk page. Thank you! The person who should not be named (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @The person who should not be named: Follow the instructions at WP:SPEEDY. Your attempt was using an article specific reason to delete a talk page, which won't work. You need to find the criteria that applies to what you are trying to delete. WP:G3 maybe for your case? RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, for small vandalism, just revert the bad edit, no need to delete the whole page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:User pages#Deletion of user talk pages. I had already told the OP to read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages, which links to there. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @RudolfRed: The page was created only for vandalism, Hi you boobs is what the old revision of the page looked like and that was all it said, i first blanked the page because I didn’t know how to delete it, and no IP user of that name existed, so i can’t revert the bad part, it needs to be deleted. Just so you know on what you said above: Also, for small vandalism, just revert the bad edit, no need to delete the whole page. The person who should not be named (📞) 15:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    November 26

    Marketing Operations & Marketing Performance Management pages deleted

    Hello,

    Happy Thanksgiving! Marketing Operations & Marketing Performance Management have been deleted earlier this year. I am unable to locate these pages in the deletion logs. It looks like these were deleted because they may have been too "salesy" or too "promotional" vs factual. Looking to see how to get these pages restored and inquiring the process to do that and what needs to be changed on them to make them more appropriate for WP standards. Can you please provide guidance?

    Disclosure: I inquired about this same subject about a month ago under the username Mopsplus. The feedback I received was that looked this username looked like a group and was not appropriate for WP. I inquired if changing this to a new username would suffice and submitted I would be willing to do that. I was unable to find a response, so I went and created this one. I am not getting paid for this and not representing any company on this. Please do let me know if you need any additional information. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you,

    Pete Pmatthews21 (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Pmatthews21: If there was no copyright issue involved, and if you know the name of the article, you can ask at WP:REFUND for it to be undeleted so you can work on it as a draft. RudolfRed (talk) 02:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Pmatthews21, you may be thinking of Marketing performance measurement. Marketing Operations and Marketing performance management were a redirects to that. Both were deleted in June. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marketing performance measurement for the reasons. StarryGrandma (talk) 06:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    November 27

    Wikipedia validation review.

    Hello,

    Thank you to take the time to read my help. I would like to know how can I improve the timing review for my draft? I don't find the Help or request my review on Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jaya_House_Hotels#Jaya_House_Hotel

    Thank you, Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoffroyFrancois (talkcontribs) 06:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Your draft is in the queue for review. It says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,584 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Please create my user page for me.

    Please create my userpage for me (User:71.201.47.203). I want it to say '''This is the user page for the IP 71.201.47.203.''' I will probably be the only constructive IP editor you know. :) Thanks!!!! 71.201.47.203 (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    You can do this yourself. Just click on the red link and start typing.
    We have many constructive IP editors. Dbfirs 16:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) I have a few remarks, 71.201.47.203. First of all, I see that all edits under your IP address occured today, so it is not guaranteed that you will keep that address for future edits (your internet service provider may rotate an IP address pool among its customers - see DHCP for the technical details). That is one of the reason we encourage you to create an account.
    Adding to the above, your sentence is not supported by my personal experience, nor by the data I am aware of (WP:IPDIS cites figures from 2007 showing that IP non-vandalism edits are ~30% of total edits and IP vandalism edits ~6% of total edits, so most edits are IP are good-faith and a significant fraction of good-faith edits are made by IP editors). I will not create that page for you. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dbfirs: actually, I tried after logging out and could not, so I assume nobody can create userpages without logging in. (I assume a new account can, though, without restrictions on age/edit count.) I am not sure I have already seen userpages for IP editors, either, even though I do not find anywhere in the guidelines that says it is forbidden. TigraanClick here to contact me 17:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    What causes Google Home to use out-of-context info from a Wikipedia page to answer a question?

    My 11-year-old asked Google Home today how many people were killed in the second world war. Google Home answered "According to Wikipedia, over 6,000 American and Japanese troops died in the fighting." This is a TERRIBLE answer. The sentence is taken from the caption to the third image on the Wikipedia page World War II casualties, and is obviously taken out of context in a bad way. A friend tried asking the same question and gets this answer about 20% of the time, other times more or less correct answers from this article and elsewhere. I get it every time I ask. Could Google Home be using this phrase from the caption because of some metadata or formatting in the caption? How would Google Home be choosing that particular phrase for its answer rather than the correct answers, and is there a way to fix this? --Lijil (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Collaborative Edit - Marc J. Lane

    Hello.

    I'd like to draw your attention to an issue with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_J._Lane. First, I'll disclose that I'm an employee of Mr. Lane's. I've been assigned to try to restore his Wikipedia page to include a substantial amount of the text that has been cut by various Wikipedia editors. I began this process back in October, at that time simply restoring from the page's history approximately 14,000 characters that had been cut. The restoration did not last. The editors who keep watch over the page immediately reverted the page to its status quo ante and criticized me for even making the edits myself, pointing to the Wikipedia policy of encouraging anyone affiliated with the subject of the page to do no more than suggest edits on the talk page. Fair enough. I was unaware of the policy.

    Thereafter (and still in early October), I posted the following to the Marc J. Lane article Talk Page:


    "Hello all. I am affiliated with the Law Offices of Marc J. Lane. I recently attempted to restore a substantial amount of text that had been deleted by editors who believed it to be too self-promotional. The text had been previously deleted on the grounds that it was written by someone who inadvertently failed to disclose their affiliation with the Law Offices. So in restoring the text, I disclosed my affiliation. That apparently made no difference to the editors. I respectfully disagree with their assessment as to the self-promotional nature of the article, but as there is no higher power to appeal to, it seems the article will need to be rewritten.

    I am willing to do that, but I don't have the time to do a complete rewrite only to have the article chopped down again. So I'm proposing to whomever might edit my work that we collaborate in advance of a re-write to identify what's acceptable and in line with Wikipedia's editorial standards, which I fully support. I just don't want to waste my time.

    Can anyone who would be monitoring and/or editing my work please respond to discuss my proposed collaboration?


    All the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)"


    As you'll see, no one has responded. I firmly believe the page is not nearly as biased as some of the editors seem to think it is. It is based largely on independent (i.e. non-Marc J. Lane) sources. And I don't think the language it uses is self-promotional, really. What is problematic about the following, for example: "By appointment of Governor Pat Quinn, Lane served as the State of Illinois' Task Force on Social Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and Enterprise..."? The authority cited to for that text is the Social Enterprise Alliance. This was among the 14,000 characters that have been cut.

    So I'm in a tough spot. On the one hand, I have to respect Wikipedia's wishes and not edit the Marc J. Lane article myself. On the other hand, none of the editors who would call me out for making edits myself seem to be the least bit interested in collaborating on edits. That is why I'm reaching out for your help.

    Can you kindly suggest a way to proceed past this impasse?


    Best,

    Plutarchos21