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Beccaynr (talk) 18:29, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If all the COI editors we had on Wikipedia were as good as you, we wouldn't need a COI policy at all... You've done excellent work expanding the article, and I for one have no concerns about your editing of it. As far as further improvements go, admins aren't necessarily the best folk to ask for help (when we're wearing our admin hats, we generally just do technical stuff like deletions, blocks and discussion closures), but instead, you might want to try:

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Thanks on behalf of Wikipedia for your work in improving the article; I hope you enjoy the process and continue to be a Wikipedian! Yunshui ^雲 _水 07:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the encouragement and additional information about helpful resources! I look forward to learning more and continuing to contribute to Wikipedia, and I greatly appreciate your assistance. Beccaynr (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Seven template

Thanks for your addition of Noam Chomsky's name, didn't know he had written an introduction and supported the defendants. Nice work. I created the template, and was both active in the anti-war movement and was a journalist at the trial. Actually was in the room with just a few people when the eight were formally indicted and fingerprinted. It was an interesting time, and the people who stood up against the Vietnam War turned out, in the course of history, to be correct (even Robert McNamara agreed). Thanks, and good to meet you. Randy Kryn 20:57 20 October, 2014 (UTC)

It seems I was editing the 1968 Democratic National Convention protest activity page (which you may want to take a look at) - which I hadn't looked at since early March of 2013 - at the same time you were editing the template. Means nothing in the long run, but fun nonetheless (as few edits have gone up on that template). Randy Kryn 21:17 20 October, 2014 (UTC)

I'm still getting the hang of Wikipedia (especially the communication functions), but thank you so much for your comments and encouragement - I have a small pile of books published in the late 1960s and early 1970s that I am using as sources for additions. Very nice to meet you! Beccaynr (talk) 21:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about the violent radicals as supporters of the Chicago Seven, who had organized nonviolent protests? They don't seem to fit the template, at least to me, and after you put the weather folks on there I read the page and aside from an comment about the timing of their violent actions there was nothing about supporting the Chicago Seven in a meaningful way. And the weather people page also, amazingly, doesn't mention Richard Elrod, who I believe was paralyzed in their Days of Rage demonstration. Lots of people 'supported' the Chicago Seven, maybe the template should just be for active supporters who came to the trial. I remember Dustin Hoffman being there in support, and I interviewed him as he was leaving, but I've never seen another source on his visit (and just remembered it in fact). Anyway, I'm just grumbling, as there was and still is a large gap between nonviolent organizers and participants of a movement and those who come to an issue to harm, hate, and destroy. The two really didn't mix in the '60s era, at least from what I could tell (although Abbie Hoffman dispersed information on using violence to achieve a goal, I don't think he ever used any of that personally). Okay, end of me moaning about having those characters on the template. Personally I 'identified' more with the Phil Ochs, Pigasus type of activist, and never considered using violence to combat violence, nor did the people I knew at the time who were active in the anti-war movement. Randy Kryn 23:49 21 October, 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the clarification about the 'Supporters' section - I had been thinking that the Weather Underground was probably a better fit for the 'Context' section, and I've moved it in the template. One of the reasons I added Bernardine Dohrn is because her page includes "On September 26, 1969, Dohrn was arrested again in Chicago during a rally in support of the eight men accused of conspiracy concerning the riot during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, who were being tried on riot conspiracy charges." Thank you for the perspective and feedback. Beccaynr (talk) 07:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, WU seems like a good fit for context. Dohrn was, I believe, an unindicted co-conspirator, and all of them probably wished they had made 'the show' themselves (it's odd that the government just indicted men and no women, Anita Hoffman could easily have been sitting alongside her husband). It's good to have someone working on the template, and by putting my attention on it again I added Country Joe McDonald (should have done so long ago). That Dustin Hoffman appearance interests me now, I'll google to see if a major media source reported on his visit to the courtroom and the defendants (after the days court session I saw him in one of the side rooms talking and yucking it up with Abbie Hoffman, Rubin, and some of the others). It's enjoyable rambling about this stuff, let me know if you mind me coming by here for rambling. I see on your user page that you are a relative of Lee Weiner, and I hope he is well and going strong, so maybe you can ask him about the Dustin Hoffman visit. I'll go look for a source now, and thanks again. Randy Kryn 10:52 22 October, 2014 (UTC)

It has taken awhile, but I finally have an answer and a source for your Dustin Hoffman question: "Jon Voight and Dustin Hoffman also visited the courtroom soon after Midnight Cowboy had opened. They deliberately sat in the back of the spectator section rather than out on the front benches where the guests who had been specially invited by the defendants, prosecutors, or the judge would sit. They didn't want to possibly distract the jurors in case they were recognized. In our brief conversations with them, they were reticent in their opinions about how they thought the trial was going or how it might end, but they were entranced by our efforts to resist the government in the courtroom." Weiner, Lee. (2020) Conspiracy To Riot, p. 83. Beccaynr (talk) 04:26, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Groucho Marx on the template? I couldn't find any mention of the Chicago 7 in his article. I see you added a source to the Weiner page that Marx was asked to testify and declined, probably not enough to list him as a supporter. And hello again, I hope all has been well. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, and that sounds good to me - I edited Groucho Marx from the template (pending further citation). Thank you for your feedback! Beccaynr (talk) 02:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Trial of the Chicago Seven

Hello. Why I certainly understand that critic's petspective (although I don't agree with it at all as Hampton was assasinated because of his politics and because the police felt threatened by him and Taylor was murdered because of sloppy trigger happy policing), We can't have every individual opinion, or even one because it opens that door, about connections in the film that aren't part of the movie. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to clarify in my latest edit, and I do not think that my User page is an appropriate place for us to discuss what can and can not be included in the Reception section of the The Trial of the Chicago 7 page. If you would like to further discuss the issue, please take it up on that page so other members of the community can participate. Thank you. Beccaynr (talk) 00:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like we worked it out. For future reference, editors are encouraged to message each other first to work out issues. If they can't come to a compromise then the talk page is a second step to get other opinions and hopefully reach a consensus. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 03:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and I think the page is now more informative and synthesized after the addition of references that directly address the specific issue of the connection in the film. I thought the page's Talk page could be helpful because it had seemed to me like you were speaking to a broader policy issue, and that seemed beyond what we could resolve, but then I realized that the potential solution for the specific issue you raised was additional research and sources. I am glad for how it worked out, and I appreciate your contribution to the creative process. Beccaynr (talk) 04:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 04:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can't leave references like that. It doesn't follow Wikipedia standards and when it gets reviewed for GA they'll make us remove it. Hopefully you can format it into a note or add what's relevant in text. Let me know if you need help or have questions. Thank you. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 04:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean about a note, but the deletion you have twice made removes the quoted text from the Kagan article and completely removes the Robinson reference and quote. I tried to fix it by using the citation formats you added but it didn't work. The original way it was written is an attempt keep the Reception section concise while adding key details, and if you have a way to fix it so the content is presented in the way it was originally intended, that would be appreciated. Thank you Beccaynr (talk) 05:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean. I'll fix it. Watch what I do so you'll know for future reference. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 05:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I see the direction you are taking, and I have an idea, but I don't want to step on your editing process... I'm going to try in a moment to add my idea, but I wanted to let you know, and thank you again, Beccaynr (talk) 05:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem was that all the text you added didn't appear on the page. It appeared as a long, incorrectly formatted reference that didn't link to anything in the citation. It just read as a long paragraph. Again, not on the page itself but in the reference. This is because the ref tags were placed in the wrong places. It's a process and I had to learn this as well. I wasn't trying to edit the content. I was trying to fix the reference and when I understood that you meant it to appear on the page I did that as well. It was extra confusing to me because of the way the grammar was structured and the way the references were formatted and because they appeared in the last paragraph. I thought maybe you were going for an in text note but then I just understood that you misplaced the tags. Always look at the page after you edit something. This way you would know what you had added did not appear as text, but rather as a long note on the reference after clicking it but with no proper link. Thank you. I hope you're understanding this better. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I saw the note on your userpage about unsuccessfuly trying to insert a picture of a wombat, so I've been bold and done this for you – I hope you like it (if you don't, you can of course just undo the edit. You can change the size by modifying the middle parameter, e.g. by setting it to 500px if you want the image to be a little smaller. Blablubbs ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you thank you thank you so much!!!!!!!! Beccaynr (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hello. I just wanted to let you know I really appreciate the Barnstar. It means a lot and I'm happy that you have felt encouraged by me. Keep up the good work! Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That Barnstar is a much more precise recognition of your work than the kitten I was initially thinking about adding to your page - I've also been learning how to use the citation templates and cleaning up various pages I've previously worked on, and I very much appreciate your encouragement on continuing my learning process. Thank you again! Beccaynr (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 2020

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Thank you - the line flagged on the article currently has four references that I plan to do more to synthesize - I am trying to find a way to clearly describe the names of the attorneys involved and concisely describe what happened. Thank you again for your note and for the links to Wikipedia policies and resources. Beccaynr (talk) 22:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your full and detailed work in revamping and improving the Chicago Seven page Mayor Daley and the gang over at the first precinct would give you an in-house going over and a few light taps on the head to "teach ya the rules". Nice work, a much improved article, and what happens when a good editor steps up. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!!! My work on the Chicago Seven page is also helping improve my awareness and understanding of Wikipedia policies and practices, and some of my editing reflects that learning process as it has been happening in real time. What an adventure! And now a barnstar! Thank you again!!! Beccaynr (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mika Tosca

I just wanted to apologize that I didn't revert the re-addition of the MOS:DEADNAME at Mika Tosca. In the cloud of edits, I didn't notice that it had been put back! While I do think that there are reasonable arguments both ways, it should without a doubt stay out of the article until there's consensus (and probably it would be wise to wait on the AfD). Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for saying so, I appreciate it. I have never previously addressed this issue on Wikipedia, and I have been interpreting MOS:DEADNAME as seeming to support a default in favor of privacy unless there is obvious notability under the past name (as described in the policy examples) or until there is a consensus about past name notability (and I think your point about waiting on the AfD is indeed wise). Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ark Invest

Hello User:Beccaynr, thank you for the useful additions you made to the article Catherine D. Wood. I created a article about her firm Ark Invest a few days ago. Unfortunately, it is now in the deletion discussion. I find this unjustified because this article clearly proves relevance with references to Bloomberg, CNBC etc.. I would be happy if you would support the retention of this article under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ark Invest. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afus199620 (talk) 13:12, 22 January 2021‎ (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Afus199620: you may want to consider the Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list for assistance. I am concerned that your message to me does not appear to be in compliance with WP:CANVASS, including because you seem to be asking for my support with retention of the article instead of presenting the AfD discussion in a neutral manner. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was not aware that WP:CANVASS existed. I will try Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list. Thank you.--Afus199620 (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you for your work on Gorman and "The Hill We Climb". I've credited you on Template:Did you know nominations/The Hill We Climb. Cheers, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddie891: Thank you very much, and for all of your work. That was the first time I have ever worked on such rapidly-evolving pages, and it has been quite a learning experience. Apologies for my delayed reply while I was mostly off site. Beccaynr (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For improving Sheila Elizabeth Whitton and recusing it from deletion, here's a barnstar. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I have some ideas for additional contributions to the article and I am glad it has been kept! Beccaynr (talk) 01:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Some help please

Hola! I noticed that you had worked on Rebecca Mammen John. Would really appreciate it if you could give a hand with Geeta Luthra. Thanks :-) Vikram Vincent 18:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! I have a few sources from my attempt to create an article for John (before realizing she already had one) that I still plan to incorporate, and as this relates to Luthra, they both appear to be pioneers in the legal profession, so I expect there are additional sources and that there is more to be said about Luthra. Beccaynr (talk) 18:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I had a similar experience. Went to create a page for Rebecca, wrote a draft and found there already was one with her middle name :D Vikram Vincent 05:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! Also, I have been trying to find a source for when Luthra became a Senior Advocate, but have so far been unsuccessful, even at the Supreme Court of India website. If you have any ideas, that would be appreciated. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good work!

I just saw Gabrielle Diana was kept after the AfD. Good job on working on that article and contributing to getting it kept. HEY definitely applied! Keep up the good work - ideally we’ll cross paths again and work on another article together! —Kbabej (talk) 03:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was just about to leave you a message on your Talk page, to thank you for taking the lead on revising and expanding the article! It was great working with you, and I look forward to working with you again in the future. Also, while you were continuing to update the article and rescue sources, I went ahead and added it to the Article Rescue Squadron Hall of Fame. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rescue Barnstar

	The Rescue Barnstar
	For work on the article Disha_Ravi -- totally was not expecting this article to be so timely, and appreciating your eye on details to connect/expand on the article. Keep up the good work rescuing recent content! Sadads (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadads: Thank you, and many thanks for all of your work - it is an honor to be part of this team effort. Beccaynr (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing -- yeah -- I was not expecting her to become this visible -- was like "she is notable enough, profiled in enough places, and looks like one of those youth activists who will be very visible in 6-12 months since she is getting all these press requests". Did not imagine government crackdown to be the path to visibility :PSadads (talk) 19:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Streisand effect is generating so much coverage, keeping up with it is a challenge, but I am confident that our ongoing work will continue to enhance and hone the article. Beccaynr (talk) 19:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

...I'm here a month later :D I enjoyed working with both @Sadads: and you :-) Vikram Vincent 18:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

please see if this is useful

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/toolkit-case-on-activist-disha-ravis-arrest-friend-says-she-is-a-soft-target-2371295 Vikram Vincent 05:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This report seems to provide some balance to the Reuters report about the reactions of some of her friends. I think both reports can be added to the Reactions section in a separate paragraph, perhaps above the paragraph that begins with Apoorvanand's comment. Beccaynr (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2021 (UTC) And there may be information from this Quint report that can be included; I need to rest and think on it, but thank you for bringing the link to my attention. Beccaynr (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not add it cause I have a COI. Look up his name on the wiki as he is notable. Vikram Vincent 16:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My follow-up question was going to be about notability besides having an in-depth news article, and this more than answers it. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hola! I cannot comment on Vageshwari off-hand. I do know that the interpretations of GNG is going to contextually vary. On a lighter note, if we take Geenakumari as a baseline then I should have an article in my name :D Vikram Vincent 06:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I generally struggle with comparing AfDs because it is antithetical to my training and experience as an attorney - they seem like trial court decisions that are not binding precedent, and at AfD, I worry we could get bogged down in arguing about whether they are comparable or not. I do recognize they can be persuasive, but ultimately, it seems like the strongest arguments are made on the facts (sources) available for an article and the relevant guidelines and policies, so I try to keep focused on that aspect of the discussion. And maybe you should have an article ;-) Beccaynr (talk) 06:56, 28 March 2021 don't

With my limited legal education through practice, I agree about the legal thought process but feel that the Wikipedia approach has its advantages. W.r.t. article on me, hypothetically I am not sure how it would be positioned. Current sources don't do justice to any aspect :D Wait! Let me do something that crosses BLP1E ;-) Vikram Vincent 10:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccaynr, would you be able to have a look at this essay I wrote while participating in a contentious discussion. I saw the discussion from the POV of contextual claims. Maybe you may be able to highlight improvements https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims Thanks, Vikram Vincent 15:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I was just thinking about some of this, but in terms of composing a reply to your comment above. Through my work on various articles, I have been learning about some of what has been happening in the India legal system, and it somewhat reminds me of the substantive due process revolution in the United States, with the caveat that additional research is needed. Despite my increasing awareness of the contexts, I do avoid suggesting notability exists simply because of the context I could otherwise provide - in theory, the context could apply to an AfD discussion such as Geenakumari, but per Wikipedia policy, not without RS saying so, and I find it challenging to research this in depth with my access mostly limited to English-language sources. On the other hand, I am not sure how to address what appear to be assumptions raised in discussions that seem to be subjective 'not notable' claims based on what you describe as a "gold standard" context. My thoughts are in process on all of this. However, like I have said in AfD discussions, Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability, and per the policies and guidelines that form the core of the encyclopedia, will replicate the systemic bias that has excluded marginalized topics from significant and in-depth news coverage, but, it also seems to be only a matter a time before RS may exist to better support notability claims. In the meantime, your Law section kind of reminds me of WP:CCC, and I am also wondering if there needs to be a section for BLPs specifically, because this seems like a particular application of the larger concept. It also may be helpful to first write smaller essays (the Marxism-Leninism section seems like it could become its own essay), and then incorporate them into a larger umbrella essay. I think if all of the current sections get built out, this essay could become massive, and it may be more easily readable and easier to develop and revise if various sections have their own forums for discussion. Beccaynr (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccaynr, I'd suggest you adding your thoughts regarding the AFDs as a small example.. Vikram Vincent 04:33, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims#Articles_for_deletion_(AFD) Vikram Vincent 09:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to try, but I want to assemble some sources to back up my points (there are specific WP:ARBPRINCIPLES I recall reviewing that may be relevant but I haven't yet been able to locate again) and better organize my thoughts before adding to the essay. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was a detailed table :-) Vikram Vincent 19:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - I think I am also going to make one here, but first I need a nap to recharge... Beccaynr (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

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@Titodutta: Thank you - your work was a very strong foundation for the article, so thank you very much for that as well. Beccaynr (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red

Hi there, Beccaynr, and welcome to Women in Red. While it's good to see you are now an official member of the project, I see you have concentrated much of your past rescue work on women's biographies, sometimes with remarkable results. In addition to this work, you might also be inspired to create new articles from scratch, perhaps in connection with our monthly priorities. If you haven't already done so, you might find it useful to look through our Primer for creating women's biographies. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 11:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ipigott: thank you! Yesterday I started preliminary research for Angela Glover Blackwell and got a little overwhelmed because there was so much. I have not successfully created an article from scratch before, so I am thinking that I would use the AfC process and then use the WIR banner to add it to the article alerts page. Thank you again! Beccaynr (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are of course welcome to use AfC but valid new articles are sometimes refused for a variety of reasons. I and other WiR editors would be happy to review and help you along with your first few new articles. Just start them in your user space, using the sequence "User:Beccaynr/title of new article". Then let me know when you think they are ready for main space. Angela Glover Blackwell certainly seems to deserve an article. She's very much in the news these days.--Ipigott (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Using my user space sounds like a great plan - I will let you know when I have a draft for review. Thanks again! Beccaynr (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Ipigott:, I have a draft ready for review at User:Beccaynr/Angela Glover Blackwell; there is more I could add, and I think the Works section citations need help, but any feedback or guidance you have at this point would be appreciated. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 00:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft looks fine and I have moved it into main space. I see you have not included her year of birth but there seem to be references to her growing up in the 1950s. Maybe it would be a good idea to add Category:1950s births. You'll see I've added other categories, some of which could be adapted to African-American. As for photographs, I see several come up on Creative Commons.--Ipigott (talk) 10:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I look forward to continuing to work on this article and with the WiR project! Beccaynr (talk) 16:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(sideline comment) You do not need AFC for an excellent draft such as the one described above!--- Possibly (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I have been reviewing Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Law for additional opportunities to create articles, and I very much appreciate the support. Beccaynr (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Institute for Social Ecology

Thank you so much for your help in improving the Institute for Social Ecology article. It was recently relisted for deletion for some strange reason. I'd really appreciate your input. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar for you

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	Your contributions to Melissa VanFleet were critical to saving her from deletion! Performance above and beyond the call of duty. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Teamwork! Teamwork!! Teamwork!!! Beccaynr (talk) 17:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hi ! I am still learning Wikipedia and I really appreciate your help on Downs and Ros :) I would love to keep expanding on that gallery network and I am so, so glad that the page wasn't torn down ! Thank you so much for saving the page ! Thanks again :) - t. TayaCornett (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TayaCornett: Thank you! I am finding it takes awhile to acclimate to Wikipedia, but User:Ritchie333's page has a wealth of information I've found helpful, including but not limited to the WP:SQUIRREL essay, which I certainly identify with, and I'm happy to have the opportunity to do so with regard to the Tara Downs article. Beccaynr (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The real props for WP:SQUIRREL goes to MelanieN; we were chatting about something or other, when she mentioned she was like "a dog who'd spotted a squirrel" working on some article, then noticed I'd started improving it as well and wondered if it was a more general theme amongst Wikipedians. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When you pinged me on the article, it definitely was a 'look! Squirrel!' moment for me! Beccaynr (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333's guide to extreme article rescue

I suspect some of you are wondering how I come across these articles, and here's a basic guide:

On my userpage is the following code : * [[Dumpster diving]] : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-a7&namespace=0 A7s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-a11&namespace=0 A11s][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-g3&namespace=0 G3s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-g10&namespace=0 G10s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-g11&namespace=0 G11s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-g12&namespace=0 G12s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ADb-g13&namespace=118 G13s]. Copy and paste that somewhere convenient, and you'll have a bunch of "dumpster diving" links which give you fast access to articles with speedy tags. The most likely ones to rescue are A7, then G11 and G12. I wouldn't worry about the others.
Speedied articles are sorted by date. If a new one appears right at the top, it means it's an old article tagged for speedy. That's usually suspicious.
If you are convinced an article does not meet the A7 criteria, improve the article to make it obvious and remove the tag. You at least need to have one independent, reliable source, or a link in the article that's an obvious redirect. I usually use the edit summary "decline A7, add source" and "decline A7 per WP:ATD-R" respectively.
For G11 and G12s, if the article's lead looks good enough to expand into an article, trim it down to the lead, preserving sources if necessarily. In the case of G12s, copyedit the entire lead so there's no close paraphrasing left.
Do this regularly for 3 years, then file a Request for adminship. (Well, it worked for me).
Important note : most CSDs meet the criteria. Don't expect to be able to rescue them except every now and again. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neat! It took a couple of attempts, but I figured out how to get it working in my sandbox. And this: User:Ritchie333/Unreferenced women BLPs is a wide open field, filled with WP:SQUIRREL. Beccaynr (talk) 20:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

I went back through all the AfD discussions I've done metrics for and curated some of the STEM women coauthors who very likely meet NPROF but don't have WP articles. If you're into page creation and want some ideas I've put a table up on my userpage (I also linked to it in the Women Scientists WikiProject). Thanks again for always keeping the discussion so respectful (even when I would get a bit snarky)! JoelleJay (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and you might also be interested in this spreadsheet I've been maintaining for years of eponymous STEM women (well, it started out as such, but then expanded to include STEM women who made major contributions without having things named after them. The actually-eponymous ones are bolded). There's a detailed discussion on this WiR TP where I explain how this might be useful for acknowledging women's contributions in ways other than page creation. Anyway, feel free to leave a comment whenever you come across someone with an eponym I'm missing! JoelleJay (talk) 16:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JoelleJay, I have been meaning to reply for awhile now, and I will be sure to keep a lookout, although as may be obvious by now, STEM is not my field. However, it looks like it is time to have an article on Tameka Hobbs (Miami Herald, 2020), including due to sources that seem to have been missed at the past AfD (Tallahassee Democrat, 2018), (Tallahassee Democrat, 2017), (New York Times Magazine, 2015), and I appreciate you bringing her to my attention during our discussion. I did not want to get into the details of what I felt were essentially trial-court level opinions during our discussion (I may need to get over this tendency) but that did not stop me from researching the points you were raising. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 04:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Beccaynr, I'm glad you found more sources for Dr. Hobbs! I don't know as much about academic notability in the humanities since Scopus doesn't index them well, but it looks like you've found coverage that could raise her to GNG and possibly NPROF C7, so good work! I thought our discussions on Dr. Anand were really enlightening and productive, and I'm disappointed the closer's argument wasn't particularly deep or coherent (like, at all...). It seemed to really come down to our interpretations of SIGCOV and the additive properties thereof. I was pretty confident the individual news pieces didn't meet SIGCOV, but at the same time there was this surreal AfD where I felt similarly confident and it was closed as no consensus, so I was hoping whoever closed the Anand AfD would give a good assessment that could provide guidance in the future. Oh well, I guess... Anyway, I hope you'll stay active in the academic bio arena since we definitely need more people skilled at finding and summarizing sources :) Take care! JoelleJay (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, JoelleJay! I am more comfortable in the humanities field, and particularly anything that may fit under a broad banner of political science or sociology. I also followed up with the closing admin for clarification on Dr. Anand, and found this explanation helpful: "In the case of BLPs all sub notability guidelines are subordinate to the GNG as the community does not accept that we should be hosting inadequately sourced BLPs. Whether prof acknowledges this or not that is the wide practise across the encyclopaedia and is what drives my approach when balancing GNG against SNG. Around the edges there could be cases where a firm pass of an SNG might hold against a clear GNG fail but in the vast majority of cases where the GNG is clearly not met and its a BLP than a standalone article isn’t going to be the right outcome." And that surreal AfD is an example of why I am hesitant to rely too much on past AfDs... but I look forward to working with you in the future - I very much appreciate your contributions to the discussion and all of your insights. Beccaynr (talk) 16:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Olive Branch

I redacted the one comment. Please let me know if anything else should be removed. It's not worth having our conflict get too personal or hurtful. Best wishes and happy editing.4meter4 (talk) 23:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: in my experience, it is a benefit to discussions about the content of an article to focus on the evidence, not the person making the case. I do not wish to have a conflict with anyone, so I will continue with my focus on the content at AfD and article Talk pages. Beccaynr (talk) 21:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

True. I only mentioned you because of the WP:HEY argument, which required that I alert other editors to the fact that I questioned the validity of that. It wasn't meant to be personal. Please don't feel like I am picking on you. I am this hard and consistent on all AFD reviews. I want us to get along. Thanks for catching my error, I confused the last two journal articles. Just a note, expert opinions are generally not considered evidence of notability. When trying to find sources for Geenakumari, it would be helpful to identify material where she is the main subject, and her importance as lawyer or advocate is established outside of the context of an individual case. I hope you are able to find a reference like that, because she seems like a great person. Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for saying so - I do recognize that we have different styles, and I am trying to keep that in mind. My understanding is that AfD reviewers look only at what is in the discussion, so from my view, it's not necessarily helpful to them from a source assessment standpoint to just mention that I made contributions, instead of linking to the actual sources. But I will explain more about my thoughts on the article in the AfD after I rev up Google Translate again. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: I have tried to explain, e.g. in our discussion on your Talk page, diff, that I feel a style of communication focusing on me personally in forums about articles does not feel helpful or constructive. It had seemed like you recognized this with your previous good faith refactoring, but in the AfD we are now participating in, it feels like you are talking about me instead of the article, its sources, and the policies and guidelines. I continue to ask you to please just focus on the article discussion. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccaynr, I am using an editing style at AFD that is typical on the encyclopedia among editors. I am actually being softer with you than what I typically am, by trying to explain policy kindly and patiently. I’ve been commenting at AFD for fifteen years, and I’ve rarely had anyone react this way. In general, when there are multiple comments at a thread and when we take issue with one person’s comments, its general policy to include that person’s name for the clarity of other readers. It’s not personal. Please understand this is how AFDs work.4meter4 (talk) 23:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: I think there is a difference between intent and impact, and per WP:CIVIL, It is sometimes difficult to make a hard-and-fast judgement of what is uncivil and what is not. Editors should take into account factors such as [...] whether a request has already been made to stop the behaviour. In addition, The following behaviours can contribute to an uncivil environment: [...] belittling a fellow editor, which is what it feels like you are doing when you say things like "I hope this helps you understand what we are looking for at AFD," particularly in the context of our past discussions, because it feels like you are framing the issue as some kind of intellectual deficiency on my part instead of a good faith disgreement on how to interpret the policies as your peer. It does not feel like you are simply naming me in reply, and that is not my concern. This is why I keep asking for a focus on the evidence and not the person making the case. Beccaynr (talk) 00:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, I added those words because I thought I sounded arrogant without them and mean, and you took offense to them. I feel like there is no winning with you, and that you are looking to find fault and read into my words tones and attitudes that aren’t there.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: With me, it isn't about winning, or finding fault. We are working with plain text, and misunderstandings happen. To clarify, your attempts to educate me on my Talk page, on article Talk pages, and at AfD are not welcome, and I request that you stop. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will happily stay off your talk page, but I can not agree to a WP:OWN of main space or AFD. We edit as a community, and ultimately I am going to treat you the way I would any other editor in an AFD discussion which is addressing you as an individual. The fact is you have a problem with my personality, and that is not my problem. I have been courteous to you, and I intend to keep being courteous. If I see you making a policy error, I will try to help you kindly at an AFD. I’m a teacher by profession and it’s in my nature to help people I perceive as making mistakes. If you choose not to learn from my experience, that is your choice. I’m not being condescending, I’m just being myself and I won’t apologize for that. I will not make myself less of an editor or make myself smaller for you. I wish you well.4meter4 (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: I have not intended to communicate that I have a problem with your personality, and I apologize for anything I have said to make it seem like that is the issue. You previously had been gracious and recognized that some of your communication towards me was not interpreted as helpful, and I very much appreciated that, and hoped it meant you would adjust your approach. Perhaps you are aware of 'student-centered learning,' given your profession. I also believe there is a difference between wanting to help and actually helping, particularly when someone you are trying to help is telling you repeatedly that your approach is not working. I'm not so sure our academic and professional backgrounds are as relevant as the fact that we are all Wikipedians, and it is important for us to do what we can to foster a collegial and respectful environment. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 01:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I am very much a proponent of student centered learning, and in a different context (other than an AFD), we probably would get along much better. Unfortunately, AFD is a somewhat antagonistic space by nature and articles are put under a great deal of scrutiny when it comes to referencing and weighing the significance of those references. It can be a difficult space to learn in, particularly if it’s an article you have invested time in that is on the chopping block. I myself have had articles deleted that I cared about, and I learned a lot about wiki policy from that experience.4meter4 (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am also not asking you to change how you edit on Wikipedia - I am asking you to adjust how you communicate with me, by only focusing on the articles in discussion forums about the articles. It is much easier for me to learn by doing (i.e. 'problem-based learning,' or experiential learning), perhaps because I'm an adult, although I suspect many theories of adult education are relevant to childhood learning, and there isn't a need for a dependent student/teacher hierarchy there, either. I don't need to be personally antagonized in order to learn, and if anything, I find it interferes with my understanding. But I have been hopeful that we can work through this, including because you seem to like opera, and I like opera, and that has got to mean something. Beccaynr (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Always good to meet another opera lover. Just wanted to let you know, I supported your draftify recommendation. I think that 1994 article is a promising lead as evidence for GNG, and it would be good to have some more time to collect resources. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Thanking you from the bottom of heart for expanding the article of Divya Gokulnath. Your help means a lot to me. YogeshWarah^Talk 14:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yogeshwarah: Cheers! I am one of Kichu's talk page stalkers, and I sometimes edit articles like a dog who has seen a squirrel, so I am happy to help where I can. Beccaynr (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccanyr my friend, I would like to ask your assistance. This draft Draft:Rajaram Amrut Bhalerao seems to be about a notable person. But I have concerns with its neutrality. Your assitance will be helpful for me to make it better so that I can move it to mainspace. Hope its fine for you. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kichu, I have made some edits for neutrality, and please let me know if you think there is a need for more. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou Beccanyr. I just accepted the draft. It has been nice working with you. Regards Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 17:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Beccaynr, please have a look at this Draft:Supriya Menon, is it ok now? YogeshWarah^Talk 04:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yogeshwarah, I will review the article more after I have had some sleep, but I think a Career section should be created, with sources and information about her past journalism career, and detail about what she does now as a producer. Beccaynr (talk) 05:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccaynr, the subject is not notable to have an independent article in my opinion. It can be merged into Prithviraj Productions Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 06:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kichu, I am also concerned, because per WP:NOTINHERITED, Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG, and without additional sources, it appears to be WP:TOOSOON, including because most of the films have not been released yet. However, it seems possible that in the future, there may be notability per WP:FILMMAKER, if sufficient sources discuss Menon's role, at minimum per WP:BASIC, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. But the main article can be developed in the meantime, per WP:PAGEDECIDE and the WP:NOTGOSSIP policy, Celebrity gossip and diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary. All that being said, I very much appreciate the theme of creating more complete encyclopedic content that I see developing in Yogeshwarah's work; it will not always be immediately possible based on the available sources. Beccaynr (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 09:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ahomisation

Hello Beccaynr. Hope you are doing well. The Draft:Ahomisation seems a notable one and a good topic. But it is not written in an encyclopedic tone. If you have some free time to spare and is interested in remodifying this draft, I request your help to do it, so that I can move it into mainspace. Regards Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 05:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kichu, I unfortunately do not feel that I can help with this article, because I am not familiar with the subject matter and do not have access to many of the sources, which I would need to help rewrite the tone (and add references for parts of the article that currently do not have sources). Beccaynr (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Beccaynr, I know you would have done it if you really knew about it. No hard feelings. Regards:) Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 02:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Friend

Hello friend! Hope you are doing great. I've created a draft on Draft:Deepinder Goyal., who is the founder and CEO of Zomato. Can you please have a look? Some problems are pointed by the reviewer. Actually, I don't understand that.

Thank you YogeshWarah^Talk 07:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yogeshwarah, I will plan on reviewing the article later today. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Deepinder Goyal. (March 31)

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Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 05:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review, Kichu - like I mentioned earlier, this was a challenge to research - perhaps with more time there will be additional independent and reliable sources that will emerge. Beccaynr (talk) 05:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked

You have been blocked from editing as a part of april fool's day:) Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 01:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Kichu, as always, for your inspiration! Beccaynr (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your guidance for a user

Hi friend, have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aamir Peerzada. Plese dont vote there as others may misinterpret it as canvassing. I dont want to have another headache again! This userJammumylove seems to have taken things personal against me because I always stood oppose against them and had rescued 3 or 4 articles which they nominated for deletion. As an uninvolved user, I request you to give some guidance to them regarding out notability guidelines. Because things are out of my hand. When I try help them, they seems to have took it personal. Also tell them that despite both of us had different opinions in several AFD's, we always share that mutual respect and friendship. Hope you will do this soon. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 06:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kichu, I needed to sleep first, so apologies for the delay :). And I have a few thoughts. First, they appear to be fairly new, so it looks like WP:BITE applies, including, Remember, this is a place where anyone may edit and therefore it is each person's responsibility to edit and complement, rather than to criticize or supervise others. In AfD discussions, based on my experience, I think it can be helpful to keep the focus on the article, sources, guidelines, and policies, because I think discussion aimed at an editor, per WP:AVOIDYOU, may be taken personally (perhaps even more so by newer editors), even when it is not intended to be personal criticism, and it can distract from discussion about the article. Per WP:CIVIL, Even if you see the comment as ridiculous, he or she very probably doesn't, and expressing ridicule is likely only to offend and antagonise, rather than help.

With regard to the notability guidelines, I think AfD is a forum that allows for learning by experience, and the example you link above seems like a good one - an editor can make their good faith interpretation, that they may have developed on their own or seen someone else use where it appeared to have been helpful in a discussion, and it may take time for them to see it not work and to adjust their interpretation. Before then, I think they are entitled to try, even though we may agree it does not support their !vote or nom. If it seems to become an ongoing disruption at AfD, there are other forums available to address that concern, but in the meantime, I believe the guidelines are open to good faith interpretation, and ultimately subject to WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS.

As to your concern that they may be taking your opinions personally, there are templates available at the Kindness Campaign that you may want to consider using on their Talk page to express your feelings of mutual respect and friendship. I feel that kind of message would be better coming directly from you than from me. Beccaynr (talk) 17:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Anubrato Mandol

Hi, I'm TTP1233, this page creator, could you please check this article and assure me how much percentage is there for passing this article as it has significant press coverage. And I added some book resources as well. Please tell me of there is any wrong.TTP1233 (talk) 06:58, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, TTP1233, I plan to review the article more and offer more feedback, but it will take me some time to review the sources. In the meantime, I moved the Personal life section, and moved some information from the Personal life section into the Career section. If there is information about Mandol's early life and education available in the sources, I think it would be helpful if this information was added to the article. An example of how an Early life and education section could look is in the Divya S. Iyer article (which I am still working on, because there is more to add in the Career section). Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 00:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TTP1233, as a follow up, my starting point for assessing sources to support WP:NPOL notability is the footnote after Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage, which includes, A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists. The WP:NPOL guideline also states, Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline. I have not yet reviewed all of the sources, but I wanted to provide my opinion about WP:NPOL and WP:GNG so far - overall, I think more information can be added from the sources already in the article to build more encyclopedic content, and it looks like more research would help develop the article.

Source review

In the Handbook of Internal Migration in India, edited by S. Irudaya Rajan, Sumeetha M., it appears that Mandol is discussed on two pages of the book, so this would not support WP:NPOL notability, but it might support WP:BASIC notability, because that guideline includes, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability.
Y I was able to find an archive link for the News18 article, Meet Anubrata Mondal, Didi’s Trusted ‘Keshto’ Who Gave Sleepless Nights to BJP's Babul Supriyo & SS Ahluwalia, which needs updating in the citation, but it is focused on him and supports the biographical information in the article about his popular name ‘Keshtoda,’ as well as his reputation, and some information about his family - I think this is 'in-depth' reporting that can help support WP:NPOL and WP:BASIC notability for the article.
By contrast, the article from The Statesman, Anubrata Mandal at it again, declares candidate without confirmation from TMC appears to be routine coverage, and does not appear to have the kind of context and background information that would help make it in-depth coverage.
In the book, One vs All: Beware Mr. Prime Minister, It’s India Impossible!, there is a brief mention of Mondal and his political influence, but I do not have access to the entire book to better determine the context; at best, it may help support WP:BASIC notability, because it does not appear to be in-depth coverage.
This source: HC slams govt for Anubrata inaction suggests that a subsection can likely be developed in the Career section of the article, with additional sources, preferably not from the Times of India, per WP:TOI. There are a variety of news sources, including The Quint, LiveLaw, The Indian Express, The Hindustan Times, and even Scroll.in, that in my experience, routinely report on legal proceedings in a comprehensive and neutral manner, and could be used to develop a section of the article on this topic, because I expect there is significant press coverage about it.
Y For The importance of being Anubrata Mondal by The Hindu, this article is focused on Mondal, and similar to the News18, is a feature article on him, although it has less biographical information. I think it helps support notability per WP:NPOL and WP:BASIC.
I am not able to access the book 'The Bengal Conundrum : The Rise of the BJP and the Future of the TMC,' but this might support WP:BASIC notability, depending on the amount and depth of coverage.
I think the article Mamata defends murder-accused leader Anubrata Mandal is a good example of why it is better to not rely on the Times of India, because of how some of the legal issues are described - it appears that some allegations are described as facts, and that raises a concern about biased reporting. Even though this article is focused on Mandol, I do not think it will help support WP:NPOL or WP:BASIC due to reliability concerns.
By contrast, the Hindustan Times uses more neutral language in describing Mandol's actions, in BJP supporters, cops clash in Bengal town during Hanuman Jayanti rally. This article is not focused on Mondal, so I do not think it will help support WP:NPOL notability, but it is more than a trivial mention because it includes some background context, so I think it will help support WP:BASIC notability.
This Telegraph article, Anubrata gets security boost is focused on Mondal, but it does not provide much context and it reads like routine news coverage, so it does not appear to be very helpful for WP:NPOL, and it may only provide slight support for WP:BASIC notability.
Y This Indian Express article, Birbhum’s strongman — Anubrata Mondal explains why he talks of bombs and candy, includes reports on allegations in a neutral manner, and focuses on Mondal, so it seems at least somewhat helpful for WP:NPOL and WP:BASIC notability. The interview part is a primary source, and per WP:BASIC, Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 03:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sir could you please explain the comment you did on this draft. I didn't understand. Some neutrality source is there, and there is no TOI resources.TTP1233 (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Beccaynr/Elsa D'Silva

Userfied per requestSpartaz ^Humbug! 09:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New sock is in the town. Right?

I was busy trying to learn to use my new NPP rights properly. I just noticed your comment in that SPI. I also thinks the same. My question is that, is there any option to give that user a second chance? Does our policy says that the users blocked for sockpuppetry cannot create a new account to have a fresh start after apologizing for everything? If this user is ready to have a fresh start (they should stop using this project for promotional purpose and to harrass other users), I am ready to forget the personal harrassment they did on me. I can also adopt them if they are comfortable with me. What do you say.?Doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 10:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You did ask me to promise to remember, and I said I would. And by my very quick count across the related SPIs, I think it would be the 24th chance. I am not particularly familiar with the process for users to appeal blocks, but I think WP:NOTHERE is relevant to consider, and in the meantime, I think there are plenty of editors who are clearly here to build the encylopedia who would benefit from your attention and guidance. Beccaynr (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. Why should I help a user who is not here to build an encyclpedia. I am sure they would have created another account by now. Lets catch them if they repeat this again. Meanwhile, we have got an encyclopedia to build here. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:47, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	I’ve met you at couple of AfD’s and you’ve saved them both by improving them heavily. This is a token of appreciation. Keep up the good work. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 02:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jammumylove, thank you! For the recent one, I found the WP:BEFORE to be quite challenging because she is a journalist, and it took a long time to sort through her work as journalist to find sources about her. And then I am pretty sure I took a nap afterwards ;-) Beccaynr (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beccaynr, You are amazing. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 15:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Jassa Dhillon

Hey beccaynr, this Draft:Jassa Dhillon seems good. The subject has enough sigcov snd passes GNG. But it reads like CV. I would have improved, but Im so exhausted now and has currently stopped content creation for now. I may quit the job tomorrow and will be back as before. For the time being, can you give a try here.? Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]