Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia

Russia articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 8 17 29 30 1 85 FL 2 4 6 2 14 FM 90 90 A 2 3 11 7 23 GA 28 39 118 227 2 414 B 218 294 510 730 231 1,983 C 350 610 1,198 2,759 749 5,666 Start 449 1,549 6,513 14,447 2,431 25,389 Stub 12 237 4,131 45,350 3 3,618 53,351 List 69 93 406 3,116 36 188 3,908 Category 21,179 21,179 Disambig 2 245 247 File 465 465 Portal 25 25 Project 140 140 Redirect 533 1,527 2,060 Template 4,267 4,267 NA 1 6 20 9 36 Other 1 122 123 Assessed 1,138 2,847 12,928 67,224 28,108 7,220 119,465 Unassessed 407 1,505 1,912 Total 1,138 2,847 12,928 67,631 28,108 8,725 121,377 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 476,202 Ω = 5.48

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union has been nominated for discussion

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 6, 2016; 12:47 (UTC)

equal marriages Romanov Bagration .

When Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna , daughter of G-D Konstantine Konstantinovich, obtained the consent of her father to marry Konstantine Bagration and of course the blessing of HIM Nicholas II, she signed an official renouncement to their future children's rights, and that was BEFORE the abdication of the Romanov dynasty. So did her niece Ekaterina Ioannovna, princess of the Imperial Blood, in the late thirties, when she married Ruggero, marchese (in italian, or marquess, it means the same,) Farace di Villaforesta, for their children. Neither of these children : Nicoletta, Fiammetta and Ivan Farace ever considered themselves as heirs.... but Ivan, now marchese Farace di Villaforesta, is an active honorary member of the Family Association since his mother passed away in 2007. Like HM the King of Greece, Prince Michael of Kent, and other members of the Family, not necessarily of the Dynasty. If Konstantine was not equal to Tatiana Konstantinovna, Leonida was not equal to Vladimir Kirilovich.( Who was not a grand duke himself, according to the Laws, it was a "titre de courtoisie"...). This is simple and clear . Grand dukes, during the last years of the Empire, were only brothers, children and grand children of the Emperor. The sons of GD Konstantine Konstantinovich were born as grand dukes, but became princes when the Laws were modified, before the end or the monarchy. The last Emperor was GD Mikhail for a very short time, and all the grand dukes and grand duchesses are now dead, alas. Sources : myself, marchesa Farace di Villaforesta— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:cb11:192:3f00:cc03:3d6f:ac49:d639 (talk • contribs)

Antarctica

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"Placeholder" redirects to Russian districts: what are they holding a place for?

User:Ezhiki has created many redirects to Districts of Russia, e.g. redirects to Tyulyachinsky District. Most of these redirects are tagged with {{r from alternative spelling}} but I've noticed a couple that are tagged with "for convenience" and per edit summaries were created as placeholder redir. For Tyulyachinsky District these are Tyulyachinskaya and Tyulyachinskoye. I've seen similar "placeholder redirects" created for many other Russian districts. Generally these all end with the letters "kaya" and "koye". Why are these not labeled as alternative spellings; what are these "kaya" and "koye" redirects placeholders for? – wbm1058 (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I assume there are localities with the name Tyulyachinsky (can not easily check now though), and I know that Ezhiki intended to create SET index pages for all Russian localities before they sadly went inactive. If Tyulyachinsky is a valid SET index article, Tyulyachinskaya (a feminie form) would be a valid redirect to it. Ymblanter (talk) 16:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The locality there – administrative center of the district – is the village of Tyulyachi (population: 3,265). Per the article 13,778 people reside in the district, and "In the Tyulyachinsky district, there are 13 urban and 53 rural settlements within them." The term urban must have some uniquely Russian meaning here if there are 13 such areas in a district with less than 14 thousand people. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I removed the sentence as obviously incorrect, but indeed I do not see any locations anywhere with the name Tyulyachinsky. Presumably it was indeed intended like a permanent redirect to the district. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me. Yaroslav's is a good explanation; I just wanted to add a bit to clarify the intent behind these.

In Russian, all nouns have a gender, with which adjectives must agree. The names of the districts are usually just an adjectivized (is that a word? :)) form of the name of its administrative center; in this case Tyulyachi-->Tyulyachinsky; normally directly transliterated from Russian because that's what's usually done to names that do not have an established conventional English name equivalent (like Moscow, St. Petersburg, et al). The "-sky" ending indicates masculine gender (since the noun "district" (raion) is masculine). But here's the rub. Any entity pertaining to the district will also most likely be named after the district, but the name (an adjective) would have to agree with the entity noun's gender. So, the district administration, for example, would be "Tyulyachinskaya District Administration", because the noun "administration" is feminine. A District's Department of Whatever & Sundry would be "Tyulyachinskoye Department", because the noun "department" is neuter.

The thinking was that if any of those entities ever become notable for any reason to deserve coverage, it's pretty much a toss which gender form will end up being used. Say, the District Administration does something awesome or outlandish that an encyclopedia such as ours will need to cover, but that something does not qualify for a standalone article and is best upmerged into the the article about the district (the closest match). There is no expectation a non-native speaker should know that just because it's "Tyulyachinskaya (District) Administration", it does not at all mean that in a district called "Tyulyachinskaya". A redirect covers just such a possibility. It's not an alternative spelling, but indeed just a convenience, a tool to catch a (technically grammatically incorrect) redirect, or help move a search result closer to top.

Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 3, 2022; 19:28 (UTC)

@Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm working to deprecate mainspace use of {{R for convenience}} and Category:Redirects for convenience as too vague. I think all redirects are for convenience! My thoughts here, and see also Template talk:R for convenience. Currently there are about 2600 redirects tagged with {{R for convenience}} and about 1900 of them are this type of Russian-language gendered redirect to a Russian district. I'd like to change these to use a more specific redirect-category-template, and have written a quick PHP script to automate the conversion. Could we use {{R from adjective}} or would something else listed on Template:R template index work better? Alternatively we could create a new Rcat template for this usage, and its documentation would be similar to what you just told me above. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I would be fine with {{R from adjective}}; alternatively, we could use {{R from modification}}, I would be fine with it as well. Ymblanter (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I have no objections to removing the tag (or replacing it with a better one, if one is available; the adjective or modification ones look totally fine). This tag just happened to be the most relevant I could find at the time of redirects creation. I would be against deleting the actual redirects (and I understand this is not at all what you're proposing; but putting it here for the record), since they are providing value, however minute, and cost literally nothing to keep. So if you're just looking at cleaning up the redirect tags structure, you have my full support. Cheers!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 7, 2022; 20:46 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the quick replies. I made a test edit to Momskaya and will take a break now. In a while I'll be making nearly 1900 more edits just like that one. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks. Ymblanter (talk) 05:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Followup-sky

@Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm down to 31 transclusions in mainspace. 28 of 31 end in "sky". Are these all {{R from adjective}} too, or something else? wbm1058 (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, these are all indeed {{R from adjective}}, as far as I can see.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

New category "Entities controlling Crimea"

FYI, Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea was just created. I think the category has problems, please join the discussion at Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea#Problematic categoryNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Value of 250,000 rubles during the Russian Revolution

Talk:Nestor Makhno#Bank expropriation

Hello! Looking for some assistance contextualizing the size/importance of a 250,000-ruble bank expropriation during the Ukrainian War of Independence/Russian Revolution. Discussion linked above. czar 02:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the user 折毛 (talk · contribs), who has added numerous hoaxes about Russian history to the English and Chinese Wikipedias.. The thread is An_urgent_report_about_a_user:折毛's_hoaxes. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Elections in Russia

I believe that pages informing about 2022 elections should inform about the legal contex. War censorship limits discussion and Alexei Navalny is imprisoned.Xx236 (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

It makes sense, I think it shouldn't be too hard to find this discussed in RS and add it to the relevant article. Alaexis_¿question? 18:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Antarctica

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Assistance with Patrick Lancaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Lancaster please? it is a new article. Thanks. 666hopedieslast (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Mono-ideologies in secular Russian philosophy

I want to add a section in this article Mono-ideology on secular takes on mono-ideologies. Is anyone familiar with the term and secular work on them? Russian: моноидеология is the Russian word Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 08:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

A with grave (Cyrillic)

I came across A with grave (Cyrillic) during new page patrol and would appreciate a knowledgeable second opinion. In particular, is it really a distinct "letter"? As opposed to a regular A with a stress mark? – Joe (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

German A. Korobov

I created a draft for German A. Korobov, a Russian desinger of firearms. I have not found many good souces. Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Slavic Native Faith and mono-ideologies

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Fresh eyes on Patrick Lancaster article

Hello, can the community look at this article, there is someone who is removing well sourced material from the article during a AFD. 666hopedieslast (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

As anyone can see, you are trying to cherry pick sources to say that Lancaster is a journalist while removing the fact that when he is mentioned in reliable sources at all, it is as a spreader of Kremlin propaganda, sometimes as a scare quotes “journalist” or “self-described journalist “. I’d suggest looking into 666hopedieslast as a potential sock puppet: he’s been doing things like posting warnings and reverting to edits made by others on pages since his first day here - joined after the war started. Anyone know who the master could be?—Ermenrich (talk) 12:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? Look at the last edit I posted. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. 666hopedieslast (talk) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say Patrick Lancaster is a YouTuber who has vlogged from Donbas since 2014. Lancaster's videos have been featured by mainstream media outlets and has contributed to The Telegraph and Sky News.. I invite anyone to look at what that BBC source (from 2017!) actually says about him, namely: Phillips works with a third pro-separatist video maker - American-born Patrick Lancaster. Lancaster also describes himself as an independent journalist. At any rate, you need to hold this discussion at the article talk page.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

References

FAR notice - First Nagorno-Karabakh War

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Russian money in London neutrality

Stumbled upon the Russian money in London article, I think it has major problems with neutrality and would benefit from attention of more editors. Looks like a POV fork of Russians in the United Kingdom, however I don't think a merge would be a solution due to WP:WEIGHT. PaulT2022 (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that the role of London as a haven for (mostly looted) Russian wealth is a legitimate topic and it only overlaps partially with the Russians in the United Kingdom which is supposed to be about the diaspora in general. A lot of those who have facilitated the "investment" are not even Russian citizens, while the great majority of Russians in London are not oligarchs trying to influence the British politics. Alaexis_¿question? 12:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

The topic of illegitimate Russian money in the UK and links between it and politics would make sense, I agree with this (although an article about this issue in general with a detailed section on Russian money would provide a better context IMO).

What caught my attention is that the article in question conflates legitimate investment with criminal oligarch funds. I think it should clearer state the topic, whether its indeed about money havens and associated corruption (I certainly didn't get such impression from the current title and contents), or about Russian investment in general. PaulT2022 (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Assessment

Hi may I get assessment on the article Chukotka sled dog? Thank you! Annwfwn (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 Done Thinker78 (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Alexander Zhukov (businessman) and Georgy Zhukov

Corriere della Sera claims that Alexander Zhukov is related to marshal Georgy Zhukov. Alexander took his wife's surname so if it's true then she must be related to Georgy Zhukov. However I very much doubt it's the case as I have not been able to find any other mention of their relationship. There is an editor who insists on including it so it would be good to get some outside perspectives. Alaexis_¿question? 09:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Crimea on Russia maps

User 78.55.12.169 replaced a neutral map with a Russian NPOV one in 2017 in a number of articles. Many of the NPOV maps are still linked.

There are three series of maps - the original ones without Crimea, the NPOV with Russian Crimea and 'Crimea disputed'.

I am sorry but I do not understand why eg. Kostroma Oblast article needs a map with Crimea. It does not inform that Kuril Islands are disputed, so why Crimea?

The 'Crimea disputed' maps when small suggest that Crimea is Russian. Its dimensions are 1 or 2 mm times 1 or 2 mm. I am unable to realize the difference of colour. If the map is big - "Show previous image" "<" partially covers Crimea.

Please explain me the connection between the Kostroma Oblast and Crimea. Xx236 (talk) 10:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

This is pretty common across Wikipedia to mark disputed territories on country maps, cf. Kerala or Bălți. If the problem is that it's hard to discern that it's disputed surely there must be a graphical solution to it. Alaexis_¿question? 14:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

FAR for El Lissitzky

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Requested move at Talk:Committee for the Prevention of Torture (Russia)#Requested move 22 July 2022

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Biographical image discussion at Talk:Second Cold War

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One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Drawing of srebrenik

Can you take a look at this deletion request? Alaexis_¿question? 10:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:National Republican Army (Russia)

I have created a draft article for the Draft:National Republican Army (Russia), a group which may be responsible for the car bombing which killed Darya Dugina according to Ilya Ponomarev. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 22:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

From what I can see, all articles that exist about it, the claim about responsibility, manifesto etc are all based on what Ponomarev claims, so it is not even known if this group really exists and there does not seem to be anything else that can possibly be added. As of now, I do not think a separate article is warranted. Mellk (talk) 23:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

That logo looks Ukrainian. Thinker78 (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Russian constitution (disambiguation)#Requested move 8 August 2022

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AFD of interest

There is an AFD in progress which may be of interest to this WikiProject: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russia's War Crimes House, regarding an article about an exhibition near the World Economic Forum in May.

Relatedly, is there a general article about art, monuments, memorials, museum exhibits, etc. that interpret the 2022 Russia-Ukraine conflict, whether balanced or POVish on either side? I wonder if this article might be merged into, as a possible resolution of the AFD. Or is other coverage of examples that might be combined to make a more general article? Please feel free to comment at the AFD. --Doncram (talk) 23:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:SVD-63#Requested move 18 August 2022

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GEOFF YOUNG

 Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Geoff_Young  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1FA0:487F:60E2:0:59:4D56:8001 (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)