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December 15

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 15, 2023.

Taylor's boyfriend

Redirects created by a user who seems to be on a mission to frame Travis Kelce's biography as only relevant for being the current romantic partner of Taylor Swift. I'm suggesting these be deleted because they are vague: Swift is somewhat well known for frequent short romances and unverified dating rumours; I don't think it's appropriate for any of these to target a specific individual over all the others, and it is not discussed in her biography. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually that's not right: Taylor Swift does discuss several of her romantic relationships throughout the article, and would be a suitable target for the "Taylor Swift's boyfriend" titles. The "Taylor's boyfriend" titles are even more vague and should be deleted. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the accuracy and usefulness of these redirects rely on the stability of their relationship, which is something Wikipedia editors have no control over and can change on a whim. Redirects should be built to last and not require constant upkeep and maintenance. If they break up and start dating new people or have an ambiguous situation, then these redirects become problematic, bordering on BLP violations. Left guide (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • del all nonencyclopedic, nondefining, arbitrary phrase. - Altenmann >talk 23:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, she's had a number of other boyfriends. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 23:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as redirects that will need regular maintenance. Steel1943 (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Ambiguous, non-defining. Was about to nominate this myself, also came across Kamala Harris' husband in the same vein which I think should also be deleted. Gotitbro (talk) 03:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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(WP:BRD) This emoji has the Unicode name "Green Book" (see Emojipedia), so Green Book would be the more precise target. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Green book per nom. I don't understand the reason why this is controversial at all. Thryduulf (talk) 04:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepThe point is that Green book" is a disambiguation page. Due to the use of this Unicode character in templates, you get a whole new series of troubles. I have no problems with retargetting to "book" again, as it was before colleague Feminist decided to change it to "Green book". To solve the issues with templates, I changed the target to "Green Book (Unicode character)", what is rather factual. That was not appreciated and the redirect was reverted to the original "Book". Why this was followed by a deletion nomination is unclear to me. An issue with toes? Point is that the change to "Green book" was undiscussed. I prefer retargetting to "Green Book (Unicode character)" but I can live with the present target to "Book". The Banner talk 12:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a nomination to retarget not to delete. As neither Green Book (Unicode character) nor Green book (Unicode character) exist, they are unsuitable as redirect targets. I don't understand what "troubles" redirecting a unicode character to a disambiguation you are referring to - such redirects are not uncommon. Thryduulf (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Maintenance bots asking for links to disambiguation pages to be fixed (i.e. changed to normal articles) The Banner talk 13:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We should always fix bots to deal with the encyclopaedia as it exists, rather than fix the encyclopaedia to make life easier for bots and/or their operators. In this case the disambiguation page is clearly the better target for readers wanting information about what the emoji is/represents, if that upsets a bot then so be it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But that disambiguation page gives no information about the unicode character. It is effectively a link into nothing. The Banner talk 15:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a book that is green, it's not a Green Book (ie: one of the specific titles listed at the disambiguation page). Therefore, book is a related topic for the emoji, but Green Book is not. -- Tavix (talk) 13:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep per Tavix. Cremastra (talk) 13:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Even for such a straightforward one, this illustrates my general frustration with emoji redirects. This is obviously a book, yes, but it's also a green book. It could be a diary. It could be a novel. It could be a ledger. (And hey, from a certain point of view, this is not a book.) But as long as we're going to cater to emoji redirects, this one is pointing where it should. --BDD (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Green Book per nom. The emoji is named "Green Book emoji". Enix150 (talk) 03:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Tavix. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I would like to mention Orange Book (📙) and Blue Book (📘) and also posit that these redirects could potentially be helpful to colourblind viewers. Enix150 (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Those emoji redirect to Orange Book and Blue book respectively. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom & Thryduulf, and per the existence of emoji-books of different colours (as mentioned by Enix150). Best, user:A smart kittenmeow 12:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2-dimensional space

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was improper nomination. WP:RFD is not a board for notifications regarding discussions occurring on WikiProject talk pages. It also is unhelpful to promote the potential for discussion to occur at two different venues per WP:DISCUSSFORK, even though the nominator clearly stated that was not their intent: Opening a discussion on any WP:XFD forum is literally opening a new discussion by their very nature. In addition, it's not clear if listing this on WP:RFD promoted any additional discussion due to readers seeing the nomination. If there is a determination that WP:RFD will be the only place to discuss this redirect, the redirect can be renominated without prejudice. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Disambiguation of Two-dimensional space. Please discuss it there, not here -- thanks! (The present nomination is for redirect "Two-dimensional space" to be retargeted to dab page Two-dimensional space (disambiguation).) fgnievinski (talk) 04:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2-space

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was improper nomination. WP:RFD is not a board for notifications regarding discussions occurring on WikiProject talk pages. It also is unhelpful to promote the potential for discussion to occur at two different venues per WP:DISCUSSFORK, even though the nominator clearly stated that was not their intent: Opening a discussion on any WP:XFD forum is literally opening a new discussion by their very nature. In addition, it's not clear if listing this on WP:RFD promoted any additional discussion due to readers seeing the nomination. If there is a determination that WP:RFD will be the only place to discuss this redirect, the redirect can be renominated without prejudice. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Disambiguation of Two-dimensional space. Please discuss it there, not here -- thanks! (The present nomination is for redirect "Two-dimensional space" to be retargeted to dab page Two-dimensional space (disambiguation).) fgnievinski (talk) 04:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

YouTube guru

Really doesn't need a dedicated redirect. Gurus about Youtube are not mentioned at the target page, nor could I imagine any of the content at the target page being useful in finding information about such. We don't have Twitter guru as a redirect to twitter, so I don't know why it'd be different here. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Useless and unplausible search terms. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 08:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: lack of mention on target page makes these virtually useless; a redlink would provide better info IMO. Doerakpoes (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per above; no good target. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 19:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not useless and unplausible. YouTube Guru is an award category of Shorty Awards, but while the article doesn't mention it, the individual Shorty Awards articles do. Baskaran Pillai has also been called The YouTube Guru by Time magazine. Jay 💬 08:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For consideration of the prose mentions brought up by Jay.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • IMO guru and Guru must be distinguished.
  • Delete all as unmentioned and per WP:REDLINK considering the existence of the award. Regarding the above suggestion, having these target two different locations, regardless of capitalization, could be confusing if only one of them has such a name. Steel1943 (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MeatBall

It's not clear to me why this doesn't just redirect to meatball, as the alternate capitalization is not mentioned in the current target article, nor is it commonly used elsewhere online. Currently this redirect might generate confusion for readers. ~Liancetalk 19:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Either retarget to Meatball (disambiguation) or delete. I agree the current target can be misleading. However, the subject at Meatball is virtually never referred to with a capital "B", even erroneously, meaning I do not believe the food item is what readers are attempting to locate when utilizing a capital "B" (WP:DIFFCAPS). Another issue is that it seems that none of the subjects currently listed at Meatball (disambiguation) utilize a capital "B" either, which is why if redirecting to the disambiguation page doesn't work, deletion is probably the best option here (and I rarely say this for a redirect with a capitalization variation because usually WP:CHEAP would apply, but there seems to be a valid case here to claim the capital "B" causes more harm than ... well, lack of harm.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • retarget to disambig, because we really dont know whether capital B is intentional or just typo. - Altenmann >talk 19:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - this is not old enough to be a {{R from CamelCase}} and MeatballWiki is not spelled with a capital B, although an edit summary in one of the redirect edits suggests that maybe that's a plausible error? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cerebra

Retarget to Cerebrum as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT and a {{R from plural}}. The issue here is ... that this redirect is a {{R with history}}, and years of it; this title formerly held an article created in 2004 about an X-Men character before the article was subject to a WP:BLAR in 2020. If the proposed retargeting occurs, the edit history may need to be moved to a title such as Cerebra (X-Men character). Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ascalon(guild wars)

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between title and disambiguator. However, somewhat similar variants with porkier spacing and/or capitalization, Ascalon (guild wars) and Ascalon (Guild Wars), do not exist ... but they probably should not anyways as this redirect apparently refers to the content formerly at the redirect Ghosts of Ascalon, which targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Battle lion

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article's subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gumby "Fun Special" redirects

The phrase "fun special" is nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's used in the Arthur Adams (comics) article. Nightscream (talk) 23:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The All-New Gumby

The redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what this redirect is meant to refer to or defined ... Which in effect leaves readers both unsatisfied if they are trying to look up information regarding the subject of this redirect, as well as potentially scratching their heads trying to figure out why they were redirected to the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 17:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elementalist

Considering that the target article does not add up quickly identify the subject of this redirect, in addition to this term being mentioned in multiple articles in Wikipedia that are unrelated to the current target, though the term "elemantalist" does not seem to be defined adequately in any of them. Seems as though this title has some WP:REDLINK potential if an adequate target encompassing the term in general cannot be found. (However, this redirect was an article for approximately 3 days in 2010: I'm not sure if this revision is a good starting point for a potential article.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cerebrum(brain struture)

Delete per both WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator, and since "struture" is not a word, making this redirect even more unlikely. (I'm assuming the word is meant to be "structure", but the equivalents, Cerebrum (brain structure) and Cerebrum(brain structure), so not exist either.) Also, the properly-spaced variant, Cerebrum (brain struture), does not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete redirects completely unnecessary as just Cerebrum targets the page; and there is no other use.--Iztwoz (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel (talk) 09:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: two errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bandar Bukti Tinggi LRT station

Delete as it is wrong spelling angys (Talk Talk) 16:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Benin (1967-1967)

Unlikely search term based on the strange use a range in the title. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chanterelle (Paper Mario)

Minor fictional character in the Paper Mario universe that's not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Characters in the Paper Mario series for the redirect Characters in the Paper Mario series is most likely related to this discussion. Some options at that discussion presented thus far are to restore the article in the edit history of that redirect; if that occurs, the redirect nominated in this discussion would most likely best benefit being retargeted there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Diva (Paper Mario)

Minor fictional character in the Paper Mario universe that's not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Characters in the Paper Mario series for the redirect Characters in the Paper Mario series is most likely related to this discussion. Some options at that discussion presented thus far are to restore the article in the edit history of that redirect; if that occurs, the redirect nominated in this discussion would most likely best benefit being retargeted there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bureau Enquêtes Accidents- BEAmer

Delete. These are a combination of the ambiguous part of the title of the office, followed by the full acronym, the equivalent of redirecting Accident Invesitgation Branch- MAIB to Marine Accident Investigation Branch and as such I don't think they are useful redirects at all. The page views tool isn't loading for me at the moment so I can't check if they have been used, but I doubt it. Note that if not deleted these should be retargetted to French Marine Accident Investigation Office and marked as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Bureau d'Enquêtes sur les Événements de Mer. Thryduulf (talk)

Pеdо

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete. – bradv 20:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what is happening here, some obscure unicode character hack? Seems like a bad idea to create redirects from similar-looking but basically unused character combinations, but perhaps I'm missing something here? Note, we have a page Pedo which is not the same as this redirect, and which is not nominated for deletion. Note also that the same editor also created the below "gay" redirect... Fram (talk) 09:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, these two and a third one already up for deletion as well were apparently created to be able to add a "funny" line on their user page, [1]. I have removed it... Fram (talk) 09:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete mixed script lemma (Latin P, Cyrillic е, Latin d, Cyrillic о) and thus an unlikely search term with no good reason to exist as a redirect. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Mixed script redirects are very rarely useful, this is not an exception. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Considering this redirect was created to target Blue Archive, I would have tossed a {{Db-g3}} tag on the redirect while the redirect targeted its initial page and called it a day. Steel1943 (talk) 16:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Gаy

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete. – bradv 20:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what is happening here, some obscure unicode character hack? Seems like a bad idea to create redirects from similar-looking but basically unused character combinations, but perhaps I'm missing something here? Fram (talk) 09:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete mixed script lemma (Latin G, Cyrillic а, Latn y) and thus an unlikely search term with no good reason to exist as a redirect. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Mixed script redirects are very rarely useful, this is not an exception. Thryduulf (talk) 10:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Considering this redirect was created to target Genshin Impact, I would have tossed a {{Db-g3}} tag on the redirect while the redirect targeted its initial page and called it a day. Steel1943 (talk) 16:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Thank you veddy much

Comedy catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. The inclusion of "veddy" in place of "very" is already a dubious and implausible spelling, and I can't imagine this way of typing would be someone's best thought in regards to searching for an article about Latka Gravas. When I saw this, I presumed it was just a way of saying "thank you very much" in an alternate dialect that didn't actually belong to anyone in particular. There is Thank You Very Much which is a disambiguation page, but I would recommend deletion as an impossible target to pin down. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Implausible search term. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, definitely don't retarget. All the google hits for this exact phrase refer to the target character so if the redirect exists it should point at the current target. The question then is whether this is a notable catchphrase, and I'm on the fence about that - google results suggest it possibly is but the lack of mention in the article (which is not a reason on its own to delete) suggest otherwise. On balance I think it's more helpful to have this than search results, which won't help anyone searching for this. Thryduulf (talk) 12:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems our search results are different then, because quote results for Andy Kaufman and a line from the Transformers came up before Gravas did. And even then, for me (even putting it in quotes) the results were general websites about saying "thank you" that appeared above all else. Even with these results though, I'm not convinced that any of these are worthy of drawing the target; it's a subjective phonetic spelling of a common phrase. A person pronouncing an "r" as a "d/t" I don't think is worth the redirect to such person. Not to mention that "thank you vedy much", "thank you vetty much", and "thank you vety much" are all possible hearings of the same quote.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Utopes (talk • contribs) 20:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Andy Kaufman quotes are for this character, because Andy Kaufman portrayed this character. Even the search "Thank you veddy much" "Andy Kaufman" -"Gravas" -"Taxi", which should exclude this character, produces only hits related to Andy Kaufman playing this character. The only way I can find results where this character is not the primary topic for the exact phrase is explicitly excluding all the search terms related to this character, and then there is clearly no other usage that comes close - all the hits on the first page are for different topics (one of them being this character).
Whether there are other plausible renderings of the quote is completely irrelevant, we're discussing what people are looking for when they search this spelling, and they are either looking for this character or something we have no coverage of. Thryduulf (talk) 06:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Consumer fraud

Neither specified nor even mentioned as such in target. Hildeoc (talk) 08:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm very surprised we don't have an article or section on this topic. We do have Category:Consumer fraud but that contains articles about specific types of consumer fraud and specific examples of consumer fraud. Possibly a set index would work? Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • And I am very surprized that wikipedians instead of idle chat did not write a decent stub. Sources abound. This was not happening in my old times, when most editors wrote articles instead of wikignoming. - Altenmann >talk 18:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I invite y'all to expand the article Consumer fraud I quickstarted. There are plenty of sources. Also it looks like some articles in category:Fraud must be reclassified to category: Consumer fraud - Altenmann >talk 18:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They're eating her. And then they're going to eat me. Oh my God!

While this is certainly a hilarious moment from this movie, this quote has no mention at the target article and thusly has dubious usefulness as a redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You put that ice cream in your mouth and you are in very, very big trouble

Film quote not mentioned at the target article. References to ice cream are made, but to this degree of specificity there does not seem to be any reason to justify its existence as an entire line of a movie redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is so funny people are discussing about the deletion of the redirects I made back in 2021 😆 RTSthestardust (talk) 13:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...Umm, age is not a factor when it comes to discussing pages in any WP:XFD forum. Anything can be nominated, and the pages can be as old as the creation of Wikipedia.
This simply means that nobody run into it, meaning it is useless. - Altenmann >talk 20:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steel1943 (talk) 16:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

Quote that is not mentioned at the target article. "Gonna", "bark", and "doggie" are not mentioned anywhere either. Does not seem to be a useful redirect for a regular line from the film. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Autiphobia

Not mentioned at target article, or any article on Wikipedia for that matter. As a further extension, I could not find any usage of this word in reliable sources. It's not too bad as a phonetic spelling of Autophobia, to which it is one letter off. That said, the only place this spelling I was able to find anywhere was on Tumblr, in one post where it was quite literally up against multiple options. In any case, it's not mentioned or defined on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I vote that it be deleted. If in the future autism-related ableism becomes more of a talking-point in sources, to the point that this term is used in a more reliable source, we can reinstate it then. Edderiofer (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bedrock Detroit

Previously was a redirect to Rocket Companies, but since that page was a redirect, this one has been left without a proper target, as it is not mentioned at Rocket Mortgage. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on an article extensively discussing Bedrock, and redirected it temporarily; perhaps it'd be more appropriate to direct to Rock Ventures, where Bedrock is mentioned. Truthfully, I'm still trying to figure out the hierarchy of Gilbert's enterprises, and where Bedrock falls, but either way, it's important for Bedrock to be directed somewhere, as its name appears as the owner on a number of buildings' articles. 42-BRT (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wesley Kimmel

Wesley Kimmel is featured in multi films covered on Wikipedia, and has many mentions onwiki besides the most recent Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Would be better to leave as a red link to encourage article creation, as summing it up to one role is less than ideal. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • del. By the way, the notability is questionable. - Altenmann >talk 20:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Garnier fruits

Unclear target. Don't know how this brand relates to either the Indian film or Indian reality series. Natg 19 (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget Garnier fruits to Garnier, which has a line of fruit-based products (even though this is not yet mentioned in the stubby article). Delete the other two. BD2412 T 18:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget the "jodi number" redirects? Also notified of the discussion at the talk page of alternative target Jodi No.1 (TV series).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • If retargeted as proposed, Garnier fruits could be tagged {{R avoided double redirect|Garnier Fructis}}. --BDD (talk) 20:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ulrich (died 1408 or 1409)

With the unknown death year, I'm not super convinced that putting both years into the disambiguator would be the natural thing to do, and feels implausible to type normally. It's given in this format because the year is unknown and both are present at the target list, but surely there's a more natural solution, if any. It could require a (died 1408) and a separate (died 1409) version, or maybe there's nothing to do about it, but I figured I'd open the floor here if anything needs to be done, because I've never seen anything like this title before. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Seems harmless. Especially centuries on, sometimes we can be fairly confident that one of two dates is right. It was a complete coincidence that this came up in a general search, but consider this illuminated manuscript in the Met dated "1405–1408/1409". With people, this would also come up if we have a firm birth year and an age at death, though that does not seem to be the case for this person.
Put another way, if we ever had a standalone article on this person, this is a plausible title for him—or a fine redirect if the title were Ulrich (died 1408/1409). I couldn't find a concrete example of such a title with a brief search, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were already one out there. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have friend

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Has been deleted by G3 as vandalism. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 20:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the intention was here but this phrase isn't at the target article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Area code 543

The area code in question is not mentioned on the target page. Area code 542, Area code 545, Area code 546, and Area code 547 do not exist, and the page List of North American Numbering Plan area codes lists these and 543 as "not in use" codes. 543 is the only one of the 500s "not in use" area codes other than 555 due to its significance to have a redirect. In that case I believe this redirect should be deleted. 1033Forest (talk) 05:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • To be honest, I had forgotten about this item. I created it in 2008 and had not touched it since. I suspect what it was for was a planned area code that had not been assigned, so it was made a redirect to the general list of unassigned area codes until it was assigned, and someone looking for it would be sent to the unassigned page, as opposed to being dumped to Wikipedia's equivalent of a 404 page and, not seeing a mention of that area code as proposed to be used in the future figure the reference was completely wrong, not premature. My thoughts are that Wikipedia is supposed to be comprehesive, and I think having a page for a not-yet-in-use area code redirect to a page on future area codes is more appropriate than landing on the default 'no entry here" page.

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    Paul Robinson Rfc1394 (talk) 21:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blockchain Creative Labs

This topic is not mentioned at the target; neither is "blockchain", "creative", or "BCL", for that matter. Does not appear to be directly affiliated with Tubi based on my outside searching, although there's nothing to indicate that it is from article contents, as there are none. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lilet Attias: Attorney-at-Law

There is no attorney named Lilet Attias. Was only at this title as a redirect before the redirect itself was moved by the creator (meaning it could possibly be G7-able), so there was never any encyclopedic content at this title. It seems improbable for this title to be a regular typo, so unless there's some deeper story behind it, I feel it's too implausible to keep with the double-letter-difference. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Attias" was a typo. TheHotwiki (talk) 07:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Marsico

This person is in several movies and TV shows that are covered on Wikipedia, with many mentions onwiki. Would seem to be more ideal to leave as a red link to encourage article creation, rather than redirecting to one film that Marsico was a part of. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Efilism

Misuse of PROD by a user; concern was:

There are no reasons for this blank page to exist. There is no mention of "efilism" in Antinatalism. The proposal for the redirect has not been accepted in Talk:Antinatalism#Efilism_Redirect. There is no resource-supported reason for such a redirect.
— User:Fantastiera 16:56, 14 December 2023

The same user also blanked the page at 22:37, 13 December 2023, arguing: Removed redirect to Antinatalism. There was no agreement on the merit of such a redirect on the respective Talk:Antinatalism#Efilism_Redirect. Please seek consensus before making such changes. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • del unclear target. Dubious notability of the concept. - Altenmann >talk 20:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No mention in any enwiki article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Sum Ting Wong

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Also mentioned equally (once) at KTVU#2013 Asiana Airlines graphic. I feel pointing at the news station is likely more preferable, due to it being the location where this segment was aired with these names. The names have no connection to the airlines, as the people don't exist. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose since those are search terms.
बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Link the two sections with a hatnore if necessary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy XVII

It is frankly too early to have this as a redirect, from my POV. There is no mention of 17 (in a FF title context) or XVII anywhere at the target page; FF16 is in full swing and there is no confirmation that there will even be a 17th, despite it seeming likely, maybe in like 2028 at earliest. In the meantime, this is not a useful redirect, and its existence indicates that we have some insider scoop or any material at all about FF17, when we do not. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genderphobia

A term not mentioned at the target page. Thinking about this title from a literal perspective, I would imagine that genderphobia would be a "fear of gender" / "phobia of gender" rather than anything necessarily trans related. It seems as if these are completely different topics. Even if the definition of a "phobia of gender-nonconforming individuals" is taken into account, it's still not a very useful redirect if its use or definition is never discussed at the page. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Per wikt:en:genderphobia - Fear, dislike, or hatred of gender-nonconforming individuals or behaviour. with references there definitely linking it as a related to transphobia, so the redirect seems appropriate and a mention of the term could be added to the target article. Raladic (talk) 15:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate - Per Cambridge University Press 2022 publication [4]: Genderphobia must be understood in relation to homophobia and transphobia because they are easy to conflate but quite distinct. and from the Swedish Institute for European Policy Studies 2015 publication [5] Homophobia is defined here as a specific subset of genderphobia... It therefore might be worth considering a disambiguous page with links to Homophobia, Transphobia and Non-binary gender. As suggested by Ivanvector, Retarget to anti-gender movement. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 16:38, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in some form - The term "genderphobia" is real and relevant. However, I have no strong opinion as to whether it should be a straightforward redirect to transphobia, or something like a disambiguation page that takes an extra mouse click. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 17:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Retarget. But change (e.g. as a disambiguation page per CommunityNotesContributor and Quantling, or to as a redirect to Phobia § Non-medical, deterrent and political use, modified to include this as another bullet). Transphobia seems unsuitable as a target as it is just a subtype of genderphobia. —Quondum 18:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If transphobia is unsuitable as a target (which in its current state, I agree), then would your suggestion be instead to retarget to a different page? Wherever this redirect points to, I feel its a MUST to at least mention and define the word "genderphobia", else it gets inappropriately equated to similar topics. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, apologies for the lack of clarity; by 'weak keep' I mean 'do not necessarily delete'; I do not support a keep as a redirect to its current target. I do not think the current target is directly suitable to 'host' the more general topic 'genderphobia'. Hence, either retarget it (to, for example, a DAB page, that lists all the existing subtopics, like homophobia, etc.), or retarget it to Phobia § Non-medical, deterrent and political use and include the term 'genderphobia' with homophobia, biphobia and transphobia as subbullets. —Quondum 21:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    On review of CommunityNotesContributor's linked PDF, this is a nuanced term, and should not be assumed to include fear/dislike of non-conforming genders such as transphobia (which one might think from looking at the 'popular' online dictionaries). Since we do not have a suitable target, deletion might be considered. A DAB page would not really serve well either, under this interpretation. —Quondum 22:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to anti-gender movement, which describes the broad political movement opposing "gender ideology", which the article notes does not have a coherent definition. It can serve the function of disambiguation as it contains many links to articles on gender issues, including many that have already been brought up here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This probably makes the most sense for the time being. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 03:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Trans is not a gender. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lucky Girl syndrome

Neither "lucky" nor "girl" are mentioned at the target article. While the subject might share similarities with ongoing Tiktok trends (as suggested by the creation's edit summary), this is by no means an absolute 1:1, and without any discussion of Lucky Girl at the target article, this redirect's usefulness is questionable. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See here for hits on the name. Perhaps we can add some reference to the Lucky Girl name to the article INSTEAD of deleting the redirect. Rp2006 (talk) 02:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not disagreeing with the Ghits; it's very likely a term that exists with coverage. The problem is that, with the way I'm reading the article and the way I'm seeing it discussed elsewhere online, these are two separate topics entirely. It doesn't seem appropriate to shoe-horn a syndrome about being a Lucky Girl into the current article just to justify the redirect.
Online I found a good correlation that "Lucky Girl Syndrome is simply a phrase that tries to turn negative thinking around through manifestation techniques and exploration of the idea of the 'law of attraction.'" I feel that, given these distinct subject matters, it would be more appropriate to have a standalone article on this topic that makes reference and links to the law of attraction, rather than equalizing it via a section. It's especially the case as the law is not based on "luck", being a "syndrome" with symptoms, or tied to any form of "femininity". My perspective is that if there was any content about this syndrome on Wikipedia, which there is not, it would be better-off split, and definitely not as a redirect-without-mention. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robear

Robear, or anyone that goes by this name, is mentioned at the target. Could be a case of knowing someone who goes by this nickname and redirecting it there, but there is nothing to indicate that this would be a necessary redirect to have. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep: It is a phonetic spelling of the French prononunciation of the name. For example, Robert Desnos's article the IPA notes it would be pronounced in what is essentially this way. I think this is close enough to row-BEAR to allow for plausabilitiy to the French spelling. TartarTorte 14:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete: this would be an very uncommon way in which to think to spell this, and so is unlikely to be of help. Redirects are cheap, but I think this is pushing the idea further than it should be. If we had the concept of unlinkable redirects (i.e. they only appear in searches, but appear as redlinks), I would care less. —Quondum 18:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pico SI Prefix

Pointless implicit proliferation of redirects (we should not put in every imagined possible search for everything); that someone would think to enter this particular description but not "pico-" seems too rare to be helpful. —Quondum 01:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Needle alive

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The result of the discussion was speedy retarget. Withdrawing for now. I did not notice at first, but "airspeed alive" does have its own entry at the list page in question (I presumed it was supposed to be inferred from "needle alive"). Because there is content at the list page and not at the current page, I'm going to WP:BOLDly retarget to the list page (with anchors). If reverted, can be discussed. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 01:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Alive" not mentioned at the target article. Among these two, the phrase "needle alive" is mentioned as an entry at List of established military terms, but "airspeed alive" is not. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Aroused

With the existence of a page for Arousal and also Sexual arousal, the verb form of the former I don't think should necessarily be pointed at the latter. Sexually aroused (oh wow that exists neat) is probably a redirect that would be better suited for the sexual variation of arousal, because one can become aroused during any sort of stimulation, through any means that aren't necessarily sexual. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accustimisation

Not particularly referred to at the target article, and the correctly spelled versions aren't pointed here either (they don't exist). Accustom is a wiktionary redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. When typing in, the search suggestion Accustom appears. This is sufficient; we do not need a full misspelling redirect (especially as the correctly spelled version does not exist). —Quondum 18:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete pointless. One can make 42+ typos in this word. - Altenmann >talk 20:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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