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Next steps on peer review from experienced Wikipedia contributors

Hello, I have drafted a page. I would like to get some feedback before I publish it. I also need to know how best I should include company facts (number of employees, management structure, turnover, location etc) like a side knowledge panel I think. I don't want to waste other peoples time but I do want to learn properly. MotionMogul123 (talk) 08:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome. The best way to get feedback is to submit the draft(which I assume is User:MotionMogul123/Eurospares) for a review by clicking the "Submit your draft for review!" button. The reviewer will either accept it or decline it and give feedback. 331dot (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, is it a peer to peer review by a random Wiki admin or can you do it for example? MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's odd that you ask for feedback without saying where your draft is. Anyway — if this is about User:MotionMogul123/Eurospares, you need to use proper section headers

Like this

instead of boldface. That way, you get a contents list with no extra work. Maproom (talk) 09:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

doneDavid notMD (talk) 20:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I was unsure about etiquette if I post it on here. You found it, thanks for section headers. Do you think the page would need a side knowledge panel? Or do I talk more detail during the review process? I have not done a review before. MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MotionMogul123 When you submit the draft is goes to a backlog of drafts. The system is not a queue, so a reviewer could decide to review it in days, weeks, or even months. If Declined, reasons are given. You can address those and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have a question about a side knowledge panel, can I ask on here with this thread or is it advise to start a new thread/chat? MotionMogul123 (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article Translations

I have translated “Botswana” into 3 different languages (that I don’t speak, however I was able to put an info box and use a dictionary to put together a very very very short description) the languages were Hawaiian, Cheyenne, and Iñupiaq. When I go to the English Wikipedia Botswana it still says “missing” in those languages. Does anyone know if this is time based? Thanks. ^48JCLTalk 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

48JcL48, please do not translate articles into languages that you do not speak. Cullen328 (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terribly sorry, I thought it would be OK since I was using dictionaries and I had seen other people stating they used dictionaries to edit on other Wikipedias. ^48JCLTalk 20:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for Hawaiian, I do actually know a bit, not a lot, because it’s mostly duolingo stuff. ^48JCLTalk 20:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 48JcL48. If you're just translating these articles for practice or for use outside of English Wikipedia or any of the other non-English Wikipedia's, then don't worry about it too much. Just make sure you comply with the licensing requirements in WP:TRANSLATEUS. If, however, you're translating English Wikipedia articles in other non-English language Wikipedia articles, then you might want to stick to those languages that you're fairly competent in and have a good understanding of. You don't have to be fluent in the other language per se (though that would be a good thing). Not only do you need to make sure you comply with relevant licensing requirements, but you also should be capable of creating a translation that doesn't sound like complete gibberish or that isn't a mess grammatically or stylistically; otherwise, there's not much benefit to readers of your translated articles and other more competent users of that language may actually have cleanup your translations quite a bit if they're unreadable or un-encyclopedic. Using a dictionary might help you figure out which words to use, but you also need to know how to put all of the words together properly to make them understandable. Moreover, a dictionary probably won't be able to help you too much with formatting or other stylistic things that are particular to these other languages. Finally, you should understand that each local Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines, and its own communities applying them; so, it probably would be a good idea to understand the languages your creating articles in just to be able to communicate with others in that language smoothly in case their are any problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I know, I didn’t want any of the articles to be grammatically incorrect so they are short ^48JCLTalk 21:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JcL48, the reason they are showing as "missing" is because you haven't updated the wikidata item. Go to Botswana (Q963), and add your articles to the list there, and they will be linked immediately. -- asilvering (talk) 21:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~::Do you know how? ^48JCLTalk 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)~~ [reply]

~~Oops, that was a a stupid question ^48JCLTalk 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

wait, i cant edit ^48JCLTalk 23:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering ^48JCLTalk 23:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JcL48, you're not blocked, so you should be able to. Make sure you're logged in, and then you should see an "edit" link right where it says "Wikipedia(253 entries)" and lists all the other languages. -- asilvering (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

theres no edit button. It could be the fact that i might not be autoconfirmed and theres a silver padlock on the wikidata article ^48JCLTalk 12:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JcL48 can you give links to your translations please? I'll try to do it for you. -- asilvering (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

course!

Here’s the Cheyenne Wikipedia article: https://chy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana

Here’s the Hawaiian Wikipedia article: https://haw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botuana

Here’s the Inupiatun Wikipedia article: https://ik.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paasuana

Here’s the Inuktitut Wikipedia article: https://iu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%90%B3%E1%91%A6%E1%94%85%E1%95%9A%E1%93%87 And I think that is it. ^48JCLTalk 21:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, the Inuktitut characters turn into numbers when I c&p them. ^48JCLTalk 21:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. They're all linked now. -- asilvering (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bro tysm ^48JCLTalk 01:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of other stuff needs update. For example, the HDI calculation method has changed so now all of Botswana’s past HDIs are inaccurate. The current (2022) hdi is 0.708 ^48JCLTalk 12:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, about recipes...

Would I be able to create an article on a certain recipe for my mother's homemade chicken salad? Caden990 (talk) 22:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Caden990: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unless your mother's recipe has been talked about in reliable, independent sources, Wikipedia won't accept an article on it. Also be mindful that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Caden990, you would not. I quote from your creation Draft:Analog and Digital Transmission: recently I was listening to the radio, and all of the sudden, everything went quiet. That was not the first time something occurred like that, so I was not shocked. It seems that you are unfamiliar with encyclopedias. Please read a few articles before attempting to improve existing articles, let alone attempting to create new ones. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I just finished taking the edit tutorial, and I believe I am ready to re-edit my Draft: Analog and Digital Transmission. Could you tell me what additional recommendations you could provide me with?@Hoary EdenBAnn (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, could not log back in to my other account, so I had to create a new one. EdenBAnn (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For attribution, transparency, and general ethical purposes, would you mind disclosing the name of your previous account on your userpage? Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 19:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was Caden990, and I will do that now! EdenBAnn (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your blog? Sure, that would be nice. But, rule of thumb—could you credibly picture it in the Encyclopedia Britannica? Recipes, unless they're really well-known (example: Peach Melba) are generally encyclopedic. But thanks for asking! Cremastra (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't. An article about that would most likely get deleted, unless you can somehow show notability with reliable sources. If there are any reliable sources on your mother's recipe, I'd suggest adding it to the existing chicken salad article. Regards. Kentuckian |💬 02:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caden990, there is a big difference between a Dish (food) and a recipe. We definitely have many articles about dishes, but an article describing a specific recipe in detail is inappropriate. There are endless variations of recipes, and it is not the role of Wikipedia editors to decide which is the best or the most authentic. Or the worst. Unless your mother is a well-known professional chef whose chicken salad recipe has been widely reviewed by professional restaurant critics, it is not appropriate to discuss her recipe on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I have to re-login, but thanks for letting me know. 2603:8080:5802:B303:621B:1B99:B001:C07A (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 2603:8080:5802:B303:621B:1B99:B001:C07A (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for more feedback

Hello Teahouse :) I've asked for help a few times here and I always get some solid criticism! I am waiting for my Draft: T-Money (rapper) to be reviewed in the articles for creation queue, in the meantime, does anyone have any additional pointers/edits for me to incorporate? Thanks everyone! Taevchoi (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The element of vinyl spinning, rap freestyle, storytelling, and dance remain a key component in the theme of hip hop today, lending credit to T-Money as one of the originators of the sound for hip hop in the mainstream." ¶ One element, or more than one? One component, or more than one? What does "the theme of" contribute to this? "Lending credit to": meaning that it must be returned later? Does "hip hop in the mainstream" mean "mainstream hip hop"? ¶ "Original Concept was one of the first of many artists to sign with Def Jam, which remains one of the most notable recording labels in the music industry today" ¶ In this article, which is not about Def Jam, why say "which remains one of the most notable recording labels in the music industry today"? ¶ "T-Money displayed his acting ability with the portrayal of several other popular characters" ¶ How is this better than "T-Money portrayed several other popular characters"? ¶ "with the last episode going down as a significant page in hip hop history" ¶ What has its significance been? -- Hoary (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taevchoi, your draft is still shot through with promotional words, phrases and sentences. You need to go thorough the draft carefully and ruthlessly, eliminating every single trace of promotionalism. The content about "T450 Style & Launch Inc" is inherently promotional because there are no secondary sources in your draft discussing it. Cullen328 (talk) 04:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AH I didn't realize that would be considered promotional. thank you! Taevchoi (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muncaster Castle

Please would someone take a look at recent edits at Muncaster Castle. There seems to be a nascent edit war ([1]) here. The involvement of another editor might help deal with this at an early stage. Thanks. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 08:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IIlIlIl and ThoughtIdRetired: Editor User:IIlIlIl made changes to Muncaster Castle, reverted by User:ThoughtIdRetired, restored by II. TIR left a message at II's Talk. A better place for this to continue would be the Talk page of the article. The issue appears to be about the addition of new content, some of it perhaps inadequately referenced, AND the deletion of referenced content. II has also created and submitted a draft Draft:Pennington Family, the hereditary occupants of Muncaster Castle, and also added content to Pennington (surname) and Pennington, Cumbria, and so appears to have knowledge about the topics, but in some instances is adding content without references or inserting the content where it is not covered by an existing reference. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you know the topic at hand, my edits are common sense. Otherwise, you are a troll. Cheers to all. :) IIlIlIl (talk) 11:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, "Sir John Frecheville Ramsden, 6th Baronet discussed proposed modifications to the castle with Edwin Lutyens from 1916, but nothing came of these; Lutyens did design the Muncaster War Memorial, constructed in 1922, on a commission from Ramsden." was the only thing deleted as it pairs in historical context to the added sourced material. IIlIlIl (talk) 11:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IIlIlIl, on the requirement for verifiability of such material as The place is now corruptly known as "Muncaster", which first appeared in a Cumberland church register in 1577, the original name according to all old evidence and records being "Mulcaster", registered in the pipe rolls of Cumberland circa 1150 (also as Molecaster and Mulecaster in 1190 and 1236 respectively), see WP:Verifiability. Many potential contributors find this requirement onerous; they would be happier writing for alternative websites. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not write that. Copeage. You guys need to learn to read. IIlIlIl (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My only point is that Teahouse is not a useful place for this dispute. Teahouse hosts are here to provide general advice on Wikipedia guidelines, rules, etc. If any of the dispute devolves to actual edit warring, the typical reponse it a temporary block on editing, which I imagine everyone involved wants to avoid. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sourced everything, as I have said. Logs are easy to read and if they're too hard, do touch anything and move on with your day. Most of the history was unsourced beforehand--to which this guy is crying to me about-- and the one thing I deleted is random. The former seat deserves more attention to the real history. Look up the Muncaster Castle's website and you will see all of the information I have put, along with my sources. IIlIlIl (talk) 12:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, @IIlIlIl, you're coming in here kind of hot. Try to assume good faith on the part of other editors, and please don't call other editors trolls because they're disagreeing with you or not understanding what you're doing. Valereee (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is ironic. I had all my edits changed by someone who could not even properly articulate what I changed. I do not have to be nice, I have to be correct. Cheers :). IIlIlIl (talk) 19:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You indeed did not write that, IIlIlIl. My mistake. Yes, I need to learn how to read. (For one thing, "Copeage" baffles me, as I now lack access to the OED.) Do you still have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice helps. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can i write on new topics ?

How can i write on new topics ? And i will be getting credit right for the articles i will be writing and editing ? Tiwari Richa (talk) 11:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiwari Richa I can see you've received a welcome notice on your talk page, that will give you some helpful tips on how to get started on Wikipedia.

If you're planning on making a new page on Wikipedia then I'd say that it's probably one of the hardest things you can do on this platform, I've seen people say it's like trying to build a house from scratch right after your first lesson in architecture. Having made a couple myself, I'm inclined to agree.

You should learn more about how Wikipedia operates first, using the welcome notice on your talk page as a helpful guide. If you have any questions about Wikipedia at all, feel free to pop them here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiwari Richa also see WP:WELCOME for some useful links for getting started. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editors do not 'own' articles they create. For any article, clicking on View history (top bar menu) provides a chronological history of edits, so it is easy to see who created an article and who has contributed. But the articles do not have by-lines. For hyper-popular articles (example Taylor Swift) there have been thousands of edits by hundreds of editors. Some editors choose to list the articles they created or raised to Good Article status on their User page. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also recommend working at improving existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When ready, see WP:YFA for the process of creating and submitting a draft to a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there - welcome to Wikipedia. I am new as well and have found it very helpful to spend the first few weeks attempting to 'deorphan' pages. Go to Category:Orphaned articles You will find lists of thousands of pages that are 'orphans' which means they are not linked to any other page. Finding connections and making necessary edits teaches you a lot about how Wikipedia works and gives you skills (especially if you add references / make corrections / update the pages as you go). Since the pages are available under broad categories (such as 'education' or 'southern Europe', you can start by looking at pages on a topic you are interested in or familiar with. Good luck! Newhaven lad (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Requested articles and/or AFC's Article wizard, as well as WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners.

Keep in mind that articles and drafts are not signed à la Britannica by their contributors; rather, the credits are listed in their individual page histories. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honorary Fellows at Oxbridge Colleges

I was checking the list of Honorary Fellows listed for Emmanuel College, Cambridge and noted that several of those listed on the Wikipedia page are not listed by the College (eg Andrew Fane and Sir Leslie Fielding). That suggests the Wikipedia list is out of date. I wonder if there ought to be a policy of stating the date the list was most recently updated on the public face of the page (rather than it being accessible from the talk page only accessible to editors). (Much of the content of Wikipedia is out of date - so I favour a general approach to inserting 'as at April 2024' when making an edit of something that is likely to change over time). Newhaven lad (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Newhaven lad, it doesn't look like this is meant to be a current list of Honorary Fellows? It only says "current" in the sentence A list of current honorary fellows is published in the Cambridge University Reporter, Special No. 2, 2015., which appears to be describing the list linked in the footnote, not our list. -- asilvering (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - but a casual reader (not an experienced editor who will know this is probably out of date) may be better served by the addition of a date. If it is not meant to be a current list - and it is not a list of everyone who was ever an Honorary Fellow - then it is either a random list of notable people who were at one point a fellow - or a list of fellows at a point in time. Better I think to be clear. I realise that I may be being too purist and happy to leave this for editors' decision. But - unless there is a reason not to - I will add dates when I edit such lists. Newhaven lad (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The appropriate place for this kind of discussion is the talk page of the article in question. You're free to make whatever edits you think are necessary without any previous discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the advice. I'm still getting used to the conventions for Wikipedia discussions Newhaven lad (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Newhaven lad. You might find the information in WP:ASOF helpful. You're correct that it's generally better to use more specific date references than more general relative time expressions for the reasons given in WP:RELTIME; however, even more specific references like "As of XXXX" can still become outdated (sometimes relatively quickly) if they're not regularly monitored and updated. For this reason, using a template like {{As of}} often helps because it adds articles where the template's being used to date-related maintenance categories that are bit easier to monitor. Now, having said that, it's OK to be WP:BOLD and make such improvements that you deem necessary; at the same time, though, others might BOLDly disagree with your "improvements" and revert them outright or otherwise modify them. If that happens, try to work out a solution through article talk page discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fwiw @Newhaven lad, I really doubt there's anyone who will object to boldly editing that article, especially if you give a rationale on the talk page. It's not very high-traffic. -- asilvering (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that advice - very helpful Newhaven lad (talk) 09:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the best way to cite for a list of people?

I'm working on the Kill Tony draft and there's a list of guests which will probably require sourcing them to different websites. What's the best way to structure the citations/is there another example I can model from? Thanks! SmolBrane (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SmolBrane My advice would be to trim the Notable guest hosts severely, consider WP:PROPORTION. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I don't think I agree with this. I will use the SNL articles as template here. Regards SmolBrane (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broken table

List of planned future spaceflight launches#2030

The table in this section is not properly closed (no bottom border) but I can't figure out what's wrong. Can someone take a look and fix it? Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed (I think because idk either) Quirkykiana (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was the right fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oops, ty for that @PrimeHunter, I did not notice that error. Quirkykiana (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 21:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! :) Quirkykiana (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Cavill as Wolverine

Henry Cavill is reportedly going to portray Wolverine / Patch in Deadpool 3, I added it on the talk page of Henry Cavill, but no one has replied. Please, add that information 190.21.184.81 (talk) 02:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any posts on that topic on the talk page. You can add a message to the talk page including {{edit semi-protected}} along with an edit request, including sources. RudolfRed (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I was confused because you put it on Talk:Henry_Cavill but linked to the movie article. Its only been a short while since you posted. Be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone already replied ,but he hasn't added it in the article 190.21.171.147 (talk) 07:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CheezDeez

searching the Æthelstan page on Wikipedia after the introduction there's (in huge letters) the following: User: CheezDeez on top. I tried to edit the page but I can't even see it on the edit page. CheezDeez looks like a banned account. Can someone help and remove it? SalembinAbdullahAlhaddad (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SalembinAbdullahAlhaddad, are you referring to Æthelstan? Because I don't see any "CheezDeez" anywhere in the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confirming User:CheezDeez has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was only showing up on mobile for some reason, it turned out to be a problem with the {{literal translation}} template which has now been fixed. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My edit on "Criticism of Amnesty International"

Why Israel official account on twitter it's not a reliable source? Why the jerusalem post it's not a reliable post? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At Criticism of Amnesty International. David notMD (talk) 09:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:ARBPIA. Like other editors have told you on your talk page, You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive), and you may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even though the article is not locked, IP postings are not allowed. You have posted content six times so far and it has been reverted by several editors. David notMD (talk) 10:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These editors are pro-Palestinian, with one of them writing in his profile that it should be violently opposed. Now, my paragraph is to the point, it is about "criticism of Amnesty" in the paragraph of "Israel". There is a reference from Israel's official account to Amnesty's claims, so how does this not meet the criteria? They present a Palestinian terrorist, who murdered and kidnapped an Israeli soldier as a "writer", there was a serious backlash from pro-Israeli elements. It is debatable whether this is justified, but why deny that it drew a lot of criticism?

And in addition, an article from the Jerusalem Post newspaper. Now, what's the problem with this paragraph? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 10:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking that the reason things happen is because "These editors are pro-Palestinian" is one of the reasons we have the restrictions. You are not ready to edit in the topic area. It is not a battleground or a place for you to advocate. There are simple rules. You can follow the rules. It's easy. If you can't follow the rules why are you here? And you should read the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main issue isn't the content. The issue is you're not extended-confirmed, which breaks WP:ARBPIA. If you continue to make edits to the article, you may be blocked. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how do I get one? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 10:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:XC. You need to be registered for at least 30 days and has made 500 edits. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the great majority of articles, non registered can edit (edits attributed to an IP number), and registered accounts achieved "Confirmed" status with 4 days and 10 edits. "Extended confirmed" has the above-mentioned higher requirement. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to needing 30 days and 500 edits, you also need that on a registered account, not your IP address. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why error ?

I couldn't use the automated system to source a book so I used the manual one but it shows an error and I don't know why. Could you tell me what I did wrong ? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1221199874 Maxime12346 (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Maxime12346. If you look at the error message for that particular citation, you see that the error has to do with the |date= parameter. There's a link in the error message that will take to a page providing more details that you can click on if you want, but in this case the error seems to be with the date format you used. Wikipedia doesn't format dates using ordinal numbers (e.g. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.) in citations; so, if you change "April 1st 1999" to "April 1, 1999", the problem should be fixed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hi Maxime12346. I've changed the date from |date=April 1st 1999 to |date=1 April 1999 because the {{cite}} template doesn't process st or th in dates and also because the rest of the article is using DMY dates (see MOS:DATEFORMAT for more info on those). Changing that seems to have fixed your issue. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to add English and Italian translation of the page ?

How to add English and Italian translation to this article ?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_Paneuropeo_de_Hermandades_y_Cofrad%C3%ADas

Support appreciated MLEKUSCH (talk) 13:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MLEKUSCH. The article you're asking about is a Spanish Wikipedia article, which means you probably should be asking about it at the Spanish Wikipedia Help Desk at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. It's also not clear what you mean by adding translations to that article. Do you want to translate the Spanish Wikipedia article into English and Italian? If that's the case, please look at WP:TRANSLATE for more information on how to do that for English Wikipedia and it:Wikipedia:Traduzioni for information about translating article for Italian Wikipedia. Please understand that each language Wikipedia is a separate project with its own policies and guidelines; so, it best to ask about things related to English Wikipedia on English Wikipedia and things related to Italian Wikipedia on Italian Wikipedia. If, on the other hand, articles about this subject already exist on English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia, and you just want to add links to these articles to the Spanish Wikipedia article, then go to the Spanish Wikipedia article page and click on "3 idiomas" and then click on "Añadir idiomas". There should be instructions on how to add links to other language Wikipedias. If these instructions are unclear, please ask for help at the Spanish Wikipedia Help Desk I linked to above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You! Very much appreciated MLEKUSCH (talk) 14:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update of my Wikipedia page

Dear Wikipedia community, someone kindly created a Wikipedia page of me, however, they include my former position and several other things need update. However, when my colleagues update the page, someone immediately revert to original. Not knowing who created the page, I can't ask them to update, so what do I do? CarpentierCLC (talk) 16:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome. It would help to know which article you are referencing. Your colleagues hopefully declared that they were your colleagues as the conflict of interest policy asks. You are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, preferably sourced to an independent reliable source. Please be familiar with the autobiography policy as well. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CarpentierCLC: Here is our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do lists need to have sources?

Hello! I'm de-orphaning articles, and I came across a page called List of people from Tehran. (Not de-orphaning this article, just wanting to add a orphan article to it)

At the top, the "this article needs citations" template message is there, but I'm curious why this type of article needs citations at all, as it just links to notable people from Tehran, where the sources for the people would be listed at their respective articles.

An explanation would be very helpful and appreciated!

PolarClimates (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources help the article or list. Cwater1 (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PolarClimates Welcome to the Teahouse. To expand on what Cwater1 stated: sources are indeed helpful - and often needed - to establish factual statements and assertions. But you generally don't need to supply sources in 'List of' articles simply to justify their inclusion in that list providing it's pretty obvious when you follow the link to the relevant page that that person did indeed come from - or live in- the named place.

The problems tend to arise more in 'List of alumni from...' articles. If there's nothing in the target article to show they attended a given school or college, then a citation is definitely needed to justify their place in the List article. If a citation couldn't be given, it would be reasonable, then, to remove that name ( or at least to add a ^{[citation needed]} tag. But 'List of people from...' articles don't usually face that difficulty, and so a citation is generally not needed. Does that make sense? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does. Thank you! PolarClimates (talk) 19:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, thank you. I was trying to help to. :) Cwater1 (talk) 20:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how do you join the counter-vandalism unit

I am interested in joining CVU and OEE, how do I join. Wikipedia backwards (almost) v2.0 (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AedipikiwTwo It sounds like you already know about WP:CVU, so maybe you should visit one of its subpages to learn more. See Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy. You should also read the guidance at Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism (which says enlisting isn't required) and perhaps ask any questions on their respective talk pages. Almost all the projects we have don't actually require any joining process, though there is often a voluntary 'sign-up' page for some of them. In other words, if you want to do something, just do it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading a File

So I am confused, what is the difference between "non-free" and "freely licensed". Wikipedia:File upload wizard GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also sorry, another question. I am curious how to upload/make an article. GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GamrrOverDue Making an article is quite a difficult task to undertake when you're new to Wikipedia. I've made a couple myself and it can take hours, even days of work just to find sources. I'd advise that you do some tasks and read through the welcome message that I'm going to put on your talk page, it'll have helpful information and tutorials to guide you through some of our processes.

When you feel as if you're ready to make an article, please see the your first article page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free media can only be uploaded to individual Wikipedia language forks, such as right here on English Wikipedia and can only be used within strict parameters - they cannot be used on other language forks unless they're uploaded there. To upload non-free use media, you would need to use a valid non-free content criteria.

Freely licensed media can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that they can be used anywhere on any language fork. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doggo has explained how you can use free and non-free media, but not what they are.

"Free", for the purposes of Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons means one of three things:

It is so old that its copyright has expired and it has entered the public domain. The exact length of time depends on the country, and may be to do with the date of creation or publication, or the date of death of the creator, or both.
The copyright owner has explicitly placed in the public domain. This is quite rare, but much material published by the US federal government has been released in this way (though not by all states, or by most other countries). Tom Lehrer has recently released all his songs - words, music, and recordings - in this way.
The copyright owner has explicitly released it under a "copyleft" licence such as CC-BY-SA, which allows anybody to reuse or alter the material for any purpose, commercial or not, without requiring permission or payment (though there can be other requirements, such as attributing it).

Most images and other media - and in particular, most media you find on the web - are not free in this sense. You should assume that any image is not free unless you can find a positive reason to believe it is free. ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References Cited Formatting Issue

I attempted to fix two issues with citation on the page: List of Protestant missionary societies in China (1807–1953). First, the previous contributor had not used "re-use," so they had duplicated the same source. Second, they had not used the proper bibliographic format, citing an idiosyncratic title they must have made up instead of the actual title and other bibliograhic information. Then I ran into the problem that the newly formated citation I created shows only as a number, while the full citation appears only beneath the Further Reading section. I saw a notice about the format of the References block that had options between appearing only if one hovers over it or clicks on it. I'm not able to get back to that editing box, and even if I could I'm not sure it would fix the present problem. I would be grateful for a link to an article or other advice about how to fix the citation so it appears in the References section. Coryannyyz (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Coryannyyz: I've fixed the references section issue. The issue was from this edit, where you replaced {{reflist}} with <ref name=":0" />. The <ref name=":0" /> tag should only be used within the article text, where it will insert a superscript number corresponding to the reference with the name ":0". Then, at the bottom of the page, the {{reflist}} template allows visitors to see the full citation represented by that ":0" tag.

Help:Referencing for beginners is a good crash course on how references work. If you get stuck, feel free to return to this page and we can help! GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, @GorillaWarfare! I certainly didn't intend to do that! I was having trouble figuring out how to edit the note in the table. The article you linked didn't address that particular issue, but it is a very good refresher course, thanks! Coryannyyz (talk) 12:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Coryannyyz: References in tables work just the same as references outside of tables. If you are trying to reuse the same citation for a table cell, you can place <ref name=":0" /> within the table cell (like so). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 14:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism on a table template that is still effective on Wikipedia pages

I've noticed vandalism on Meshuggah#Awards_and_nominations. From what I understand, it comes from the awards table template. Apparently, from a quick search, 38 pages are still affected by this even though the vandalism has been fixed. I don't know how to clean those pages WinxGamer1000 (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can purge the pages to clear the page's server cache. The cached version will also expire with time. I'm not seeing the vandalism on that page, but I purged it just in case. If you're still seeing it, it may be your browser's cache, in which case a hard refresh should do the trick. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry, the dummy edit I made worked as a rudimentary purge. I'll run through them and purge them, luckily there's a gadget for it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There we go, went through all the results and purged them all so there shouldn't be any more issues. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to translate a page

hi, I'm trying to translate a page called Stuart Burrows into Russian, but I keep getting an error that says "Your translation contains of 100% of machine translation." I don't know how to type in Russian, since I don't have a Russian keyboard, I have an English Keyboard (Qwerty). So can someone help translate this page, since I can't do it? Thanks Quirkykiana (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Quirkykiana, you shouldn't be translating into languages you don't know yourself. You're very likely to introduce errors of fact. People who can't read English and need a Russian translation can simply machine-translate the page themselves. -- asilvering (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, I was trying to help, and that was not helping. :( Quirkykiana (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see from your userpage that you speak Spanish, have you considered doing translations to and from es-wiki? That would be extremely helpful! There are loads of articles that need expansion from Spanish! Have a look at Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia. There's enough to keep you busy there for a long, long time. -- asilvering (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok! Gracias, errr... Thank you! :D Quirkykiana (talk) 21:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful with machine translations. If you make use of Google Translate or some other tool, be sure to run the translation in both directions to make sure the meaning doesn't change. I did this when I translated Paul Trappen from German to English. I know a little bit of German, but I used Google Translate to help me, and I made sure that the words I came up with translated properly in both directions.

I also carefully checked sources, and translations of sources, to make sure what I wrote in English represented the sources rather than the German version of the Wikipedia article. It was the only time I attempted a translation as an exercise, and even though it was a rather short article, it was a significant amount of work to get it right. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I will, thanks for the warning :) Quirkykiana (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Large scale deletion of sourced content

Mtaylor848 has unilaterally deleted 6,348 bytes - the majority of a section that evolved 2016/2017 - with the edit summary: "None of this is relevant to Shirebrook" (wl added). It refers to a major employer established from scratch, effectively replacing one defunct traditional employer with a much, much larger modern version, so IMO is relevant to the article. At least one admin whose username I recognise has regularly edited, allowing the same content.

In the absence of any further advice, I will assume the content (or majority) is correctly-sourced.

The Talk page is entirely-unused for discussion, so unlikely to attract responses. Comments, please? 82.13.47.210 (talk) 23:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion is that the deleted content devoted undue weight to one side of a controversy, and therefore violated the Neutral point of view. No attempt was made to present the point of view of the company or the legal immigrant workers. The content was excessively lengthy in the context of other content in the article. So, I agree with the removal. Wikipedia is not the place to Right Great Wrongs. Cullen328 (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jim; I appreciate the time taken to consider.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 00:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have any interest in further discussion of this issue, please continue at Talk:Shirebrook#Large_scale_deletion_of_sourced_content. Fabrickator (talk) 01:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asking for new suggestions on edits that are easy (I'm new to the teahouse))

I just want to help out more because all I do is add links to wikis or corrects spellings. can i have suggestions? I'd be happy to help more people :) PHS (Philipines) Geek (talk) 01:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, click on your username in the top right. It should say, “Hello, (Username) and if you set filters it will give you suggestions on articles that need cleanup and stuff ^48JCLTalk 01:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must be dumb as a post. First off, my username is more to the left of the center, not at the top right, but that's just a link to my contributions. I did find "pages needing attention", but that's marked as dead; there was also some sort of category thing about articles needing attention, mentioning a need for improved citations, but IMO, that's not going to be very satisfying, unless somebody has a real focus on a limited topic area. Fabrickator (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Leftmost among the links shown at the top right for me. What's shown there could be different for experienced editors who've used scripts and fiddled with preferences.) Not sure if you're talking about the same thing but I think they were talking about Special:Homepage. Older editors may not see it by default. It can be enabled in the preferences, if not. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Homepage is certainly a page I don't ordinarily see. I am using the Chrome browser under Windows, so maybe doesn't apply to this environment. I will note that the page has a section on "Suggested edits", where you're supposed to indicate what sorts of topics you might be interested in. I was quite perplexed by this interface, I finally figured it out. It just displays a count of the number of articles in the list, but if you click on one or more categories, it limits it to those categories and seems like after a couple of more prompts, it ultimately will cut back to a smaller list and/or just pick one for you. The UI just non-obvious to me. Fabrickator (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to make a template

how to make a template like Template:Bobby Vee? Samchristie05 (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Samchristie05: See {{Navbox musical artist}}, on which your Bobby Vee example is based. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

like this Template:Robert Goulet Samchristie05 (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Time Space Metric engineering

Can anyone find time space metric engineering, that has been deleated from wikipedia 70.57.112.72 (talk) 04:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yo yo yo! I'm hoping this will qualify as a winner! Warp-field experiments (wayback archive) Fabrickator (talk) 04:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the article as found on HandWiki: Warp-field experiments on HandWiki Fabrickator (talk) 05:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Key citations and backlinks for websites.

I own a local pressure washing company and im trying to create more backlinks and boost my domain authority. The website is https://pressurewashclayton.com

Any help would be greatly appreciated Acp1776 (talk) 04:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Acp1776, Lol, This is Wikipedia not a SEO boosting or forum site where you can get backlinks. Are you serious. 🙂. Grabup (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Acp1776 asked nicely and didn't try to add links to articles like many spammers. Thanks for that. We don't offer such a service and our external links have nofollow so they don't contribute to page rank in search engines like Google. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s true, he is a good faith person.✌🏻 Grabup (talk) 10:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Did you know..." section

So I just checked the “Did you know...” section on the front page of Wikipedia. And there is this interesting article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G299.2-2.9

But after I looked at its lead, there is something very odd about it. It says the object is 4,500 years old and 16,000 light years away from us. This doesn't make sense by the laws of physics for it to be visible in our sky. So I tried to check the source and looked for the number 16,000 but I couldn't find it. Nightwatcher773 (talk) 10:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightwatcher773 You can see the nomination discussion here, where in this source it states "G299.2-2.9 is an intriguing supernova remnant found about 16,000 light years away in the Milky Way galaxy . Evidence points to G299.2-2.9 being the remains of a Type Ia supernova, where a white dwarf has grown sufficiently massive to cause a thermonuclear explosion. Because it is older than most supernova remnants caused by these explosions, at an age of about 4500 years, G299.2-2.9 provides astronomers with an excellent opportunity to study how these objects evolve over time. It also provides a probe of the Type Ia supernova explosion that produced this structure." CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing another link. But I'm still puzzled, how can something that is only 4,500 years old have its light traveled for 16,000 light-years? Doesn't this mean its light has a speed of at least 3.6 times the speed of light? Nightwatcher773 (talk) 10:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm... Not sure. It's not really something I'm particularly knowledgeable about, hopefully someone here will be able to give you an answer. You can also head to WikiProject Astronomy talk page to see whether they can give you an answer. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I just did that. Nightwatcher773 (talk) 11:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) @Nightwatcher773: The article source is [2] which says: "Assuming the distance of d ~ 5 kpc, we derive a Sedov age of τ ~ 4500 yr and an explosion energy of E₀ ~ 1.6 × 10⁵⁰ ergs." I'm not an astronomer but I guess it's an estimate of the age at which we see the supernova explosion, ignoring how long it took the light to reach us. There must have been supernova explosions for billions of years so maybe "older than most supernova remnants caused by these explosions" only refers to those we have discovered. Signs of older supernova may be hard to detect. But again, I'm not an astronomer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense. Thank you! Nightwatcher773 (talk) 11:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to edit "Notes"

I'm trying to edit "Notes" section of the page Cycle double cover. It only shows "{{reflist|2}}. Where is reflist|2?

Geneweng (talk) 11:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geneweng You don't edit the notes section, you add new notes to the article in the main body; the notes section is where those notes are, much like the references section, kept in one place so you can find them easier. See WP:NOTES. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sajjan Jindal

Is it right to add Rape allegation information on Sajjan Jindal's page? It is backed with good references. However, it is also mentioned within the content that he found innocent. Bakhtar40 (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bakhtar40, May be added to the Personal Life section, but with compliance with WP:NPOV, It should also include that the case was closed by Mumbai Police by noting “The allegations in the complaint were not found to be true” Grabup (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are at edit war with @Mmccaea. Grabup (talk) 12:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it seems to be. I invited them to join me on the article's talk page, but they opted for the Teahouse, which is perfectly acceptable to me.

As per WP:BLPCRIME, due to Sajjan Jindal not being a direct public figure, though a businessman (sub section "Eminence, but Low-Profile") - "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.". My take is based on this. Mmccaea (talk) 12:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Grabup, Thank you for your prompt response. Yes, Mmccaea thinks that it should not be added in the article. but i am agreed as you suggested. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Mmccaea, you are right. These allegations should not be there on the page. My apologies for this. I also reverted my edits on the page. Thank you. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bakhtar40 Thank you. Just for your and my knowledge; when we examine cases like the Bofors scandal and Rajiv Gandhi's involvement, we see that they are completely the opposite of principles outlined in WP:BLPCRIME. Because there is no prallel procceding(s) to satisfy this statement "If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other, include sufficient explanatory information." Mmccaea (talk) 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mmccaea @Bakhtar40 I'm replying down here to avoid seeming like I'm singling anyone out. For future reference, edit warring is not a valid way to argue a point and it can lead to both of you being blocked. If you delete something that isn't obvious vandalism and it gets reverted, talk it through on the article's talk page to come to a consensus. Please see WP:3RR. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On my part, I overstepped. I am sorry for it. I will now directly engage on the talk page only instead of resorting to back-to-back reverts WP:3RR. Mmccaea (talk) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I again Sorry for my edits. Will be careful in future. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CommissarDoggo, removal of content an editor feels might be a BLP violation is considered a valid exemption per WP:NOT3RR, an exemption which I see Mmccaea claimed in multiple edit summaries. Bakhtar40, you should have immediately gone to the talk page to discuss before edit-warring it back in. It doesn't even matter if the editor removing the content has a COI; anyone can remove BLP violations.

From a quick look at the sources, it looks like the case was closed, Economic Times wrote "The city police submitted a B summary report under the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure (CrPC) after completion of the investigation, implying the complaint was false, they said." No, this should not be included on a BLP. Valereee (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bakhtar40 and @Mmccaea, if you find yourselves in a similar dispute in the future and can't resolve it yourselves, WP:3O is a good place to ask for an uninvolved third editor to give an opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You asilvering for the good explanation. Today, i have leant a great lesson from this edit warring. I believe, it will not happen in future. Bakhtar40 (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to place a number after Arabic text but it keeps going back to before the text, what am I doing wrong?

I noticed that at Ahmed Alattar, the date of birth in the lead paragraph has his name in Arabic in the middle (at least on Chrome for Windows, I don't know if other browsers are rendering it correctly), but I haven't been able to move the name to before the full date, so what is going on there? Tube·of·Light 13:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tube of Light Since Arabic is written right-to-left, it got confused and decided "8" was part of the Arabic string for some reason. I've fixed it. -- asilvering (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That explains it. Thanks! Tube·of·Light 03:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Silas Bronson

"Relisting" after an unsuccessful go-round last week, now archived.

As stated before, an article on Silas Bronson (1788-1867)--Middlebury, Connecticut philanthropist, and the namesake of Waterbury's library (I used to live there)--has been on my to-do list for years, and has recently been up for grabs as my next AFC project. During yesterday's research, this next reference came up--but as it's from a publisher of already dubious notoriety, I doubt this will amount to anything worthwhile. (To say this may be the best-looking modern one outside the library's official site, which already counts as PRIMARY, might as well be an understatement.)

Sullivan, Raymond E. (October 2010). Breakneck: The Early Settlement of Middlebury, Connecticut: From 1657 to Its Incorporation as a Town. iUniverse. p. 38. ISBN 978-1-4502-5632-2. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

As I'm preparing this post--lo and behold!--a more promising alternative has caught our eye via Open Library.

Anderson, Joseph (1896). "History of Waterbury: Libraries, Book-stores, Literary Societies -- Silas Bronson". The Town and City of Waterbury, Connecticut. New Haven: The Price & Lee Company. pp. 1013–1015. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Archive.org.

Beyond that, more viable sources are needed; once again, calling on the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs) and WP:Connecticut for help. I'll update if I find more in the meantime. (From what I can tell, our sources have more hits on the library than the man himself; even Newspapers.com clippings from his lifespan [the vast majority of them] only amount to passing mentions at best. Perhaps we may try to refocus our mission on coverage of the library in due course?)

Also: Does it count as COI if I'm writing about the library as one of its former patrons? (Remember, I'm now a Florida resident.)

Take care, and if all goes well, see you back at the draftyard. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 13:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not a COI. -- asilvering (talk) 14:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 15:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slgrandson, you seem to be looking for help in writing a draft? If you already know the specific people you want help from, posting on their talk page/the WikiProject talk page would be the thing to do; alternatively, you could create the draft and then make a post on its talk page, directing or pinging others to that post. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already taken care of. (But considering the activity level of where I posted, I'm not sure when/if it will take off...)

If you've got any more pointers, @Cunard: I'd like to hear. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slgrandson, if you'd like to collaborate with someone, the usual thing to do is post on their talk page and start a discussion - I'm not sure why you've carried this to the Teahouse? 57.140.16.48 (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you've carried this to the Teahouse?

If only to sort things out and gear up before AFC. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date format

Is there a particular standard date format for Wikipedia? Fugabus (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! You can see the allowed date formats at MOS:DATEFORMAT and the disallowed formats at MOS:BADDATE. You might also want to read MOS:DATEVAR. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 15:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to learn source code

Hello everyone. I'm new as an editor. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to learn source code. Thanks in advance. Birdephant. Birdephant (talk) 14:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Birdephant: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to take a look at the cheatsheet to learn what the rudimentary wiki markup is. The source editor should also have buttons that add the appropriate code. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once you are happy with the basics, an excellent way to learn markup is by studying (and starting to modify) existing code. Find articles that you like the look of, and open them in the source editor, to see how it has been done. If you find a bit of markup, or a template, or even some nested templates, that confuse you, copy the code into your sandbox, and rearrange it to make the function more obvious (eg put all parameters onto separate lines; use spaces and tabs to line up corresponding open/close brackets). Make small changes and see what effect they have - the Preview button is your friend here. Refer to the documentation to understand what you see. Ask questions here - sometimes the why is more important than the how. Enjoy learning. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 18:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Birdephant Just adding to what's been said: I've left a welcome message for you on your talk page. It contains a really useful link to Help:Introduction. If you follow that, you'll see two parallel sets of editing guidance; one for WP:Source Editor and one for Visual Editor. Most experienced editors still prefer to use Source Editor as its more powerful and usually easier to see where mistakes have occurred. But it's not to WYSIWYG as Visual Editor. It's very easy to switch back and forth between them - just click the dark, slanted pencil icon in the upper right hand corner of either editing tool. Good luck on your very own 'Wikipedia Adventure'! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a reference list

Hello! I added a reference to SafetyNET p, and tried to add a reference list with the Reflist template, but the reflist isn't showing up. Is there something else I need to do for it to show up? I already tried purging the page. WaterQuark (talk) 16:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! I fixed it in this edit. It looks like you can't use both {{Reflist}} and <references /> or they conflict. I deleted the latter to fix it. I wasn't aware of the latter method at all, the more you know! Mokadoshi (talk) 16:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guidelines to go thru for education institute related articles

Hello hosts and other editors, can you suggest mos/ guidelines (or policies) to read if you want to make or edit articles of university? From ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 18:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I'm familiar with WP:NSCHOOL, but I'm not sure if there are any manuals of style that are specific to universities or schools. Maybe someone else can chime in if I'm wrong. Mokadoshi (talk) 19:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change Board President Name | Westminster School District (California)

Hello,

Hope the week is going well. We are looking to update the name of our Board President to Frances Nguyen.

Wikipedia shows our former board president. This is for Westminster School District.

Could we also update our district logo?

Thank you. 2605:A601:A733:F900:88B6:E121:7AE5:ABE1 (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like another user has already done this. Let me know if you have any questions, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that user - WSD CTO - seems to be operating a role account and editing with an undeclared COI, which isn't great. IP editor, please review WP:COI and use the talk page (Talk:Westminster School District) to make edit requests in the future. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yiqi Luo (骆亦其)

Yiqi Luo is a Liberty Hyde Bailey Professor at Cornell University. He is an ecosystem ecologist/biogeochemist.

The overall goal of the research in his lab is to advance predictive understanding of biogeochemical cycles of terrestrial ecosystems under the global change. Key scientific questions to be addressed include: (1) how global change alters biogeochemistry of terrestrial ecosystems and what is the underlying mechanism for such alterations, and (2) how the changes in biogeochemistry of terrestrial ecosystems feedback to global change. These scientific questions are addressed by integrating data with ecosystem models. The main approaches include process-based modeling, data synthesis, data-model fusion via data assimilation and machine learning, and theoretical analysis.

His lab developed the DYNAMIC DISEQUILIBRIUM framework to assess future land carbon sink dynamics, the MATRIX APRROACH to unify land carbon cycle models, and the TRACEABILTY framework to diagnose the uncertainty in model predictions of land carbon cycle. Luo-Ecolab (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question? Also, your name implies you have a conflict of interest with the draft you created for Luo. Conflicts of interest are required to be disclosed. Please read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide to learn how to disclose. Additionally, it is not allowed to have a username that represents the organization you represent. Your username should represent you as an individual, not your company or organization as a whole, and multiple people may not ever use the same account. Please read the username policy and request a name change to a more appropriate name. Let me know if you have any questions, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Luo-Ecolab, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. That does not mean that anybody can create a new article successfully without first acquiring the skills necessary to do so.

Every day hundreds of people who do not yet have any idea what the requirements are for a Wikipedia article, try to create an article. Usually, they have a frustrating and miserable time, and can't even understand the feedback they get.

i always advise new users to not even try to create an article until they have spent a few months making improvements to existing articles, and learnt about fundamental concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability.

One of the things that makes it even harder if you have a conflict of interest is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Since you are associated, this means that almost nothing from your own knowledge is relevant, unless it has also appeared in a truly independent source. ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your account is blocked until you apply to change your User name. Four of your attempts to create drafts have been Speedy deleted for copyright infringement (you used content verbatim from copyright protected sources). Your second attempt at a draft about Draft:Yiqi Luo 骆亦其 was Declined for lack of references. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Yiqi Luo occupies an endowed chair professorship at Cornell University, he likely meets Wikipedia's standard for academic notability. What is essential will be to incorporate referenced content that is about him, rather than just about his research. At List of Cornell University faculty, see section Biology, ecology, botany, and nutrition for example articles. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking about first article; Notable enough?

Hey everyone, I've been looking at starting my first article. Specifically this article would concern the Thing-Thing series of flash browser games. I wanted to do this mainly for knowledge austerity, especially since these games were quite popular on several flash game sites back in the day.

Would this be a topic notable enough for an article about the series? I definitely think an article per game would be more than overkill, but a single article covering the whole series may be notable enough.

Thoughts? EsperPike (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! The general rules of notability would apply here. In short, it basically says that if there is discussion about the game in reliable, independent, third party sources, then it is fine to have an article. Examples of these types of sources can be articles published in major news outlets. As an example, the article on Line Rider references articles in The New York Times, Gamasutra, and GameSpot. Let me know if that helps you, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mokadoshi!

I've found articles about the series on both Rock Paper Shotgun and TheGamer, both gaming focused news sites, as well as discussion of the games on reddit and Newgrounds.

I understand these other two sites aren't reliable as references, but just looking for sources of notability.

Would this be enough? I feel that I've stumbled across less-notable articles in my (admittedly small) editing history, but I don't want to jump the gun on a bunch of work. EsperPike (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of the game on Reddit and Newgrounds would not be acceptable to be included in an article as user generated content is generally not allowed. However, the other two sources you found are probably fine. Neither of them have been discussed enough to have been included in the list of reliable sources but that doesn't mean they aren't acceptable, video game publications are sometimes too niche to warrant wider discussion. The general rule of thumb is to try to find a minimum of three sources that are reliable and independent from the game publisher. Also, I forgot to mention the video games notability page. This is basically the same as the other guideline I posted, it just gives more examples that are more helpful for video game articles. Mokadoshi (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rules on deletion

New editor here, I'd like to suggest deletion of one of the pages that was recommended automatically. I know WP:PROD can't be used if there's a contested deletion on record. This article has one WP:G11 on record that was revoked within a minute by the same user that added it. Does that preclude the use of WP:PROD? The article is Workday Adaptive Planning, the WP:G11 is from November 2011. TJS808 (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally to request pages for deletion you can nominate it in Articles for Deletion. However, it's my opinion that this is unlikely to be deleted. The article cites references to high quality sources such as Fortune Magazine, and it's fair to say there are other high quality sources that could be found on the internet to add to the article. This indicates the subject probably meets the required notability guidelines for corporations, which means it can have an article on Wikipedia. I've only done a cursory look, so I could be wrong. If you disagree I'd highly recommend you don't take my word for it and go ahead and nominate it so the community can discuss it. Let me know if that helps, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Fortune source is a serialized list of minor venture capital news, which by my reading of the guidelines, isn't enough on its own. I'm guessing you'd recommend the normal AfD process then? TJS808 (talk) 19:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, go right ahead. Also, just curious, have you edited on another account before? You seem to be impressively prepared and knowledgeable about Wikipedia for a newcomer! Mokadoshi (talk) 20:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've probably made a few IP edits, nothing memorable, but no other accounts. I just read up on deletion guidelines before posting here, didn't want to sound too stupid. Thanks for the help! TJS808 (talk) 20:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask in the Teahouse or you can message me on my Talk page. Happy editing! Mokadoshi (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help

I need help making my userpage. I try to add text but if I do it goes INTO the user box. If anyone can help, please respond or edit my userpage directly, thanks. GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GamrrOverDue. Fixed by [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Notability

Hey! Sorry asking for help, again. I was reading some questions above to help my understanding. I need help with notability, do we need to be noteable or does the thing we're writing about need to be notable/popular? GamrrOverDue (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also another question: How do we make a cool name or highlighted/colored, I've seen some others with this and I'd like to try. GamrrOverDue (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GamrrOverDue. The subject of an article should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability or one of the subject-specific notability guidelines linked there. The article should have sources showing that it does. See Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for the other question. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity does not always mean Wikipedia-notability. General advice is learn about Wikipedia rules by working to improve existing articles before attempting to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you change your password on Wikipedia?

How do you change your password on Wikipedia? WalWalgreens (talk) 21:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @WalWalgreens and welcome to Teahouse. You can change your password by going to Special:Preferences and clicking the Change Password button. Mokadoshi (talk) 21:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit description

Is there a way tó change it? I find it very annoying when i don’t finish it or Make a spelling mistake, but í accedintally click submit. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Blackmamba31248. If by edit description you mean WP:EDITSUMMARY, then there's no way to change it once you've made the edit. You can, however, make what's called a WP:DUMMYEDIT to correct any errors you might've made in an previous edit summary. Dummy edits, however, tend to work best when you make them right away, and there are no interving edits between the edit summary you're correcting and the dummy edit itself. If too much time has passed and too many other edits have been made before making a dummy edit, it might actually be more confusing than helpful. In such a case, you might just have to live with the original error and explain it as needed if someone asks about it someday. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i want to create a musician entry

question about how to create a new musician entry (Draft:Elizabeth_Goodfellow_(musician)). i made one without a template. i submitted it and it was declined as I failed to include very many references. I now have some more. But I also will need a disambigouation AND thought I might as well start with a nice template to ensure compliance with standard formatting etc. Where do I find one? where can i find a template Diatom.phage (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Diatom.phage, it was not declined because it lacked very many references. It was declined because it failed to show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Three such sources would have sufficed; fifty passing mentions would not have done so. There does exist a biographical template. I forget where it lives, but it wouldn't help you. You're perhaps thinking instead of an "infobox". For most kinds of people, biographical infoboxes are useless. That's a minority opinion, but even the proponents of such infoboxes would tend to agree that they do nothing towards demonstrating either the notability of the subject of a draft or the appropriateness of promoting the draft to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Random reference at the bottom of the Main Page?

Also, nowhere does it show a footnote. Can someone remove this? - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 02:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reference at the foot of the main page, Dentsinhere43. -- Hoary (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary, it was definitely there, but this was already posted and resolved at WP:ERRORS (see Special:Permalink/1221473057#Today's FA). Queen of ♡ | speak 06:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone!

This looks like a cool place. I've been editing for about a week, maybe more. Ok, straight to the questions. How do I upload a photo and add it to an article? Tonkarooson (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking, Tonkarooson. First, who took the photo -- you, or somebody else? -- Hoary (talk) 05:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't reply to the one above for some reason.I didn't do any pictures, I just wanted to know for the future. Would I have to come back? Tonkarooson (talk) 06:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to hear that you had trouble posting to this thread, Tonkarooson; anyway, as you can see, I've moved your response into the existing thread. If you want to upload a photograph that you took, then other than in extraordinary circumstances you own the copyright to it and you are free either to release it under a copyleft licence (which is what people normally do) or to waive all your rights to it ("place it in the public domain"). If the photograph was taken by somebody else during the last X years or was first published more than Y years ago, then usually that person owns the copyright to it and almost certainly you do not. If you don't own the copyright to it you must not pretend that you do. If the photograph was taken more than X years ago or was first published more than Y years ago, it will have entered the public domain and you may upload it, explaining how it has entered the public domain. The values of X and Y vary according to where the photograph was taken or first published, or the nationality of the photographer, etc: it's all explained at Wikimedia Commons. If all this seems complex, it is. Anyway, Wikimedia Commons is where you do your uploading. Unless, that is, you have a very good reason for uploading something that is conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved", or similar), in which case you upload it here with a claim of "fair use" for such-and-such a specific purpose in an article (not in a draft, a talk page, etc) -- but a "fair use" claim is additionally complex, so please forget it for now. Once you've got the photo in Wikimedia Commons, using it in an article is pretty easy. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just created my 1st article. Any advice

Hello wikipedians,

Just created my first article, RyzallNoh, any advice to improve my page would be appreciated.

Thanks

RyzallNoh (talk) 07:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RyzallNoh, quote: Ryzall demonstrated resilience by embarking on a bold foray into event production. Undeterred by the challenges, he ventured into this endeavor with determination, acquiring practical expertise through hands-on experience and drawing insights from seasoned luminaries in the field, including Khairudin Samsudin, Suhami Yusof, Hussin Saaban, Razi Salam, among others. What reliable source, independent of the subject (i.e. yourself) says that this demonstrated resilience, that the foray was bold, that he was undeterred, that the producers were "luminaries", that (like whiskey or Parma hams or whatever) they were "seasoned", etc? Or to cut this business short (as I've only looked at one part of a single paragraph, and there are several more paragraphs), let's agree that you have uploaded an advertisement for yourself to a website that's not a PR conduit but instead an encyclopedia, for which the advertisement is utterly unsuited. Please rewrite it very radically, today; it might then not be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid speedy deletion, I have moved it to draft where you can work on it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. Certainly, I made significant revisions right away to ensure its preservation. RyzallNoh (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now at Draft:RyzallNoh. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, RyzallNoh. There are two things that it is important for you to realise.

First, that writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged one Wikipedia, and slmost nobody manages it successfully.

Secondly, that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

First find the sources (none of which should have been written or published by you or your associates, or based on an interview or a press release).

Then forget everything you know about yourself, and write a summary of what those sources say about you.

Do you see why it is difficult to write an article about yourself? ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation bot

Could someone please go to the citation bot (User:Citation bot) & activate it for the article Christianity in India to see if it's working or not? There are bare urls in the article. I tried activating it by typing "Christianity in India" after the activate button, but it didn't seem to work.2409:4071:6EB8:C308:5573:D1CE:ADB2:69E4 (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would love your contributions

I would like to know whether any of you have encountered a Fulgoridae species. I am currently working on filling the gap of Fulgoridae articles on Wikipedia, especially with photos. If you are not sure which species, I can identify it. Please upload them on Commons and provide the link. For reference of what you can expect them to look like, check https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?taxon_id=54944. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 09:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that they are found on every continent but Antarctica. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse Hosts are generalists, advising on how to edit and create Wikipedia articles. I doubt any Host would recognize a Fulgoridae insect even if one flew up their nose. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am just asking after seeing the reference of what it should look like. I, as I mentioned, were up to creating Fulgoridae articles, and I needed photos beacause people, as you may know, when it comes to insects are more interested in seeing a photo than reading an original description or a Wikipedia description or comparison between similar species. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had never heard of fulgorids, and if I've ever seen one, I probably mistook it for a moth. But there are plenty of pictures at Commons. Maproom (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a good amount, but a few are dictyopharidae. My main focus is completing Pyrops, which commons lacks. Pyrops is found in S and SE Asia. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 12:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still, any other species are welcome, from any side of the world. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects? -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 14:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. I will ask. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snf with multiple authors

Hi. I have an Snf template which has 2 authors. When I add the 2nd surname to the 2nd field, the link (that you click on citation number) doesn't work. I have to use 1st surname and the year of publication. How can I use both surnames (and year if possible)? Sincerely, Aredoros87 (talk) 10:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aredoros87. The link on the citation number worked in both versions but the link on the reference text to the bibliography didn't work in any of them. Fixed by giving both authors and year like in the bibliography.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! Aredoros87 (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A small additional point: the template is Template:Sfn, an abbreviation of "shortened footnote". You're welcome to keep using an referring to it as "snf", and Template:Snf redirects to the right place anyway, but it might help to switch to the more common name. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noting that for me. Aredoros87 (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Create new article TheLordOfLight-Lightlord (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question? Might it be answered by the instructions at Wikipedia:Your first article? Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for the question. To create a new article, you must be autoconfirmed, which means you have made at least 10 edits, and your account is at least 4 days old. If you are not autoconfirmed, you can create a draft and submit it for review. I recommend you read the following pages: WP:Your first article, WP:Autoconfirmed, and WP:Drafts. Thank you! Kentuckian |💬 13:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many gods and religions in Game of Thrones. Not clear if any might warrant a separate article. David notMD (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheLordOfLight-Lightlord, even if you are autoconfirmed, I strongly suggest that you do not put an article directly into the mainspace. Instead, if you want to create a new article, you should create a draft, or use your sandbox. Thanks. Kentuckian |💬 18:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shantavira, Kentuckian, and David notMD: Please ping new, signed-in, users when you reply to them on The Teahouse. In this case, @TheLordOfLight-Lightlord: FYI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheLordOfLight-Lightlord: See Religion section in Themes in A Song of Ice and Fire, R'hllor, for some referenced coverage. Is that enough? David notMD (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miscount of GA articles

My issue is pretty simple, the bot claims that I have 4 GAs but in reality I have 5. What can I do about it? Thank you. The Blue Rider 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Blue Rider: The bot's talk page is probably a better place to ask. There or WT:GA. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Wiki Page

Hi, I've been working on a new page (article). I have been in touch with AirshipJungleman29‬ who has been very helpful with make changes and improving the article. I would like to submit for review. Should I wait for AirshipJungleman29‬ to review it one more time or shall I go ahead and submit the "review link"? Thank you Journalist19 (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: User:Journalist19/sandbox Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 16:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's really up to you, Journalist19. When you submit it, it might be several weeks before it gets reviewed, during which time you can consult @AirshipJungleman29 or any other editor, and make your own improvements to it. On the other hand, it might be reviewed in ten minutes: we just can't predict when a reviwer might pick it up.

In any case, when it is reviewed, you should get some feedback about it. ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say "a seasoned automotive journalist" is he covered in salt and pepper? Please give the dry unadorned neutral facts and content like "His insights and analyses aim to provide a deeper understanding of the evolving automotive landscape and its key contributors." is not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Are you writing about yourself by any chance, if so please read WP:AUTOBIO. Theroadislong (talk) 18:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are 13 references. None has a title that suggests it says much about the man. But possibly several do. Which of the 13 are the most substantial? 1.33.56.248 (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before any action, you must address the PAID query on your Talk page. If paid, then acknowledge on your User page. If not paid, but COI (see WP:COI), acknowldege that. If neither, explain how you came to create this draft about this person, including a photo you claim as your own work. You have now, on your Talk page, confirmed paid status. Declare that on your User page. David notMD (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

je voudrais cree un artice commen puige fair

comment puige cree n artice Eluwner (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translation: I would like to create an article how to do it; how does puige[?] create an article 57.140.16.48 (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

puige --> puis-je asilvering (talk) 06:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the English Wikipedia. If you want to write in French, try the French Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Learning how to write NPOV is mind blowing

I absolutely love making edits that are NPOV and encyclopedic. I used to struggle on writing with a neutral tone, (felt impossible) but after practicing for almost six months I've really started to understand it better.

Now when I see people writing things here or online that sound like fluffery, I seriously get sick to my stomach! Wikipedia hasn't been easy to learn, but its been fun and rewarding, and despite many 'biters' in the beginning, I am ultimately grateful for the scrutiny I faced on my earlier edits because It made me want to do better.

Anyone just getting into the community, I encourage you to stay and work your edit muscles, Wikipedia is pretty awesome for that! Comintell (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Comintell: I agree. Practicing on Wikipedia has made me better at identifying dishonest journalism.

On the downside, it has made my everyday writing kind of boring, just-the-facts style. There's an art to mastering the creation of "compelling prose" that is enjoyable to read but still neutral, and I haven't mastered it. A few years ago I read the book The Unauthorized Version by biblical historian Robin Lane Fox and was amazed how artfully he could present dispassionate arguments. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't mastered it yet either, but now I consciously see, and recognize when (anything) is written in an NPOV style. I've now started to finally realize what my high school lit teacher meant when she would say "This essay starts out with too much fluff," and the over-dramatic 'ChatGPT style' of writing just sticks out like a sore thumb to me now. Almost feel slightly embarrassed, because it's like I couldn't tell the difference between 'good' and 'bad' writing.

There have definitely been editors who crossed the line with toxicity, though now, I am so grateful for the constructive criticisms I've received here.

"There's an art to mastering the creation of 'compelling prose' that is enjoyable to read but still neutral," is such a well-put and beautiful quote. And like you, I also haven't mastered the craft yet, but I wholeheartedly agree with your observation of it being a powerful art form. Yes, if a 'piece-of-prose' is 'too neutral', it can certainly be 'too-boring.'

There's a time and a place for fiction writing, research writing, and of course, encyclopedic writing – still, as you said, when the piece has that perfect balance of compelling, interesting to read, and neutrality, and perfectly executes that 'art form,' I think it really stands out as quite unique and the opposite of boring. When an editor (e.g. me when I first started) writes with 'fluffery,' (in a promotional style,) or uses Peacock words, such practices can and will stain an article about even the most notable subject.

I now feel as though the promotional style of writing reads like the immature babbling of the subconscious mind. It's almost like the words written by a student whose goal was just to "write well" based on nothing more than what their imagined idea of such; almost like one who is not a writer, clearly LARPING as one.

The awful, bias-laden, and silly style of writing that reads like the frantic clacks of a marketing intern working for an oppressive regime, a disillusioned individual, or the self-published manifesto of an ego-maniac, should be critiqued and frowned upon. Anyone can write biased and promotional propaganda, in fact, for non non-fiction writers, (and people in general), puffery seems to be a default style of writing all are born capable of.

Reading some of my old edits, I cringed and asked myself "why didn't I ever read this out loud before?" Alas, some instances, where I once felt as though other editors were being unreasonable or mean, I now see as genuine and justified critiques of my past work, which I now view as nothing short of garbage.

RE: "Identifying dishonest "journalism," I agree to an extent. One of the more confusing things for me, was the WP policy that explains that secondary sources don't have to be neutral. Without caring or giving into any political hoopla, I've seen sources that lean with bias on both sides, and sometimes its hard to tell what's expressly dishonest, or just bias/misinformed. The Forbes contributor fiasco (i.e. WP:Forbescon) was definitely eye opening, because I always assumed that such an outlet would have strict editorial standards, which turns out to not quite be the case.

Not to continue my rant, but another BIG amazing eye-opener was starting to learn the difference between primary/secondary sources, (a process some probably learn about in college or decent schools, which I did not have the luxury of), because it's a vital part of researching, performing a sane analysis and understanding of information. Getting involved with Wikipedia has been tremendously educational and valuable to me, and I am still learning a lot *So far from perfect still*.

PS, going to check out the book you mentioned, and also saving your quote "There's an art to mastering the creation of "compelling prose" that is enjoyable to read but still neutral," to my notes (It's a great quote)

Ok i'm done, sorry for novel, have a nice day/night! Comintell (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get approved for reading an article?

So I've seen some articles have these audio files that play the articles, and I want to update some of these, as I see that some of them are quite outdated. How do I put an audio file of me recording an article to Wikipedia and get it approved?

Jesoysauce (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome. I think you should visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, which has information on how you can do that. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

would this count as personal info

can I send someone my username on Fortnite? Ill delete it after, and well talk on fortnite EdenBAnn (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but this is definitely not the place to talk about Fortnite or epic games unless it is to edit the articles ^48JCLTalk 22:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sounds good, thank you EdenBAnn (talk) 22:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are typos still possible?

I looked and it seems like there are bots that catch them. So I don't know if I should be looking for them. Also, it's good that you included cake in the picture. No tea, but I will do a QA audit on the cake and have water instead. [I guess I got lucky and saw a picture of cake, but it was nice while it lasted] 75.142.254.3 (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! Here's a typo that I just fixed before writing this. Typos are sometimes left undetected, you're likely able to find some if you look up "site:en.wikipedia.org [insert typo]" on a search engine. See also: Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked misspellings and Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations. B3251 (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is an area that interests you, check out the WP:TYPO team. It is a never ending task. RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read this question, then found and fixed 26 typos in 23 minutes without much effort. DuncanHill (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I correct typos frequently. Most are my own typos. Cullen328 (talk) 01:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. I've never seen a bot correct any of my edits. Sometimes I wish they would.

If I see an IP address leave an edit summary that just says "typo", I have learned from experience that there's a good chance this is an unconstructive edit that needs reverting, especially if it's a substantive change. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't say. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of people use WP:AWB to fix typos. So, it's not usually bots making the corrections, but human editors (with a program that makes this faster). -- asilvering (talk) 06:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who has covered the entire Wikipedia:Lists of common misspellings/R for over 12 years, I am finding far fewer typos than I used to. Although there are fewer, I probably still catch about 750 per week. I suspect that this reduction is due to most browsers now having real-time spell-checkers, but it may be that there are more editors searching for typos; the one thing I doubt is that there has been a steady improvement in peoples ability to spell correctly (or many other words!). - Arjayay (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published sources for industry awards

I'm looking at contributing an update to Miriam Buether's article, to capture her 2024 Olivier Award for Best Set Design. To me, it'd make sense to point to the Society of London Theatre's page on winners, but I'm wary that it might be considered a self-published source - would it be better to try to track down a news article which echos this info?

If it would be appropriate to use this page, I'd also appreciate a little help on how to cite it - so far, I have the following, which has neither a date of publication nor an author:

{\{cite web |url=https://officiallondontheatre.com/olivier-awards/year/olivier-awards-2024/?awards-view=winners | title=Olivier Awards 2024 |access-date1 May 2024}}

Sean 10:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please how do i upload images on Wikimedia commons without getting deleted

Hello, I've been trying to upload the images Obara_new_cover.jpg and Dare_Olaitan.jpg on Wikimedia. But, the images don't have a copyright license, and the images keep getting nominated for deletion. Can I use the template (Non-free use rationale) to stop my images from getting deleted or is there another way? Aivrie (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Views on articles you've edited

Hi Teahouse hosts! I'm a relatively new editor and I'm loving it.

Just wondering about the "Views on articles you've edited" section on one's homepage. Above the number, it says "your recent activity (last 60 days)". Does this mean the view number is only within the last 60 days? Or is it all-time views? I'm also wondering this because my view number fluctuates.

thanks in advance! Emmybris (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]