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Trying to shorten yet provide access to a long list of publications & other material

I'm working on an article about a prolific author with a LOT of published books and articles, as well as awards, podcasts, recorded interviews, etc. I know it would be anathema to weigh down a Wiki article with such a long list, especially because not everything on the list will be cited in my article. But I want interested readers to be able to access them. So, my questions:

1. Do I understand correctly that it's okay to provide a link to a complete list at an outside website? (which I'd divide into categories for ease of reading)
2. If so, are there any restrictions on the type of website, since the link will lead outside Wikipedia? Like, for instance, could the outside website not be one run by a 3rd party (perhaps even the author's own website)?

(No, the article I'm working on is not in my sandbox.) Augnablik (talk) 12:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Two approaches: Include in article Robert Bly or have a Selected works in an article and a separate bibliography article Mark Twain bibliography. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: I'm intrigued by the second of the two approaches you're suggesting, creating a separate article within Wikipedia just for the author's published works and other materials. I never knew this sort of thing was an option. Is it very common in Wikipedia? But to be honest, I'm not sure I favor the idea because it would create what I'll call "Wiki clutter," for want of a better term.

Your first approach is one I wouldn't think Wikipedia would want, a pretty hefty list of publications only a few of which were cited in the article about the author.

What did you think about my question asking if I could create — in addition to a list of references I use within the article — a link to an outside website where the author's entire oeuvre could appear? (and would there be any restrictions on the type of website)? Augnablik (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can: see WP:ELYES. But note that the site must be "neutral and accurate". Commercial sites (those that exist for the purpose of selling things) should not normally be linked. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Another example: Kurt Vonnegut and Kurt Vonnegut bibliography. The main article still has an extensive (complete?) list, the bibliography has a bit more information about each item. For an EXTREME example, Isaac Asimov lists much of his work and there are five (!!) bibliography articles. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yikes, David notMD ... that is indeed an "EXTREME example."

I understand from your feedback that I could create a secondary Wiki article to house the complete list of this author's publications, but I just don't feel comfortable with it. It feels somewhat disjointed to me to have secondary articles just to catch publication overflow. And artificial. But I appreciate your comments. Augnablik (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you ... so often you come up with very useful information in response to my help requests. I went to WP:ELYES and under "What can normally be linked," item 1, I found that "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person (boldface mine), website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site (again, boldface mine), if any."

This would seem to say that if the author has a complete list of his publications, etc., at his personal website, and that his website is not commercial, it could be linked to the Wiki article about him. Just to be sure, I delved further into WP:ELYES and found, under "Links to be considered," item 4, I found "Sites "that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources."

So @Colin (or other senior editors) ... combining both pieces of WP:ELYES guidance, it seems to me that I have the green light I was hoping for. Am I correct about that, so I needn't go through further hoops? Augnablik (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Since my assumption of May 5 hasn't been objected to, it would seem that it is in fact acceptable for the lengthy complete list of the author's publications I've described to be housed on his own website, even though a personal site couldn't be used for informational citations, and linked to from the Wikipedia article. I hope this is true, as it would beautifully solve the publication "housing issues" I've laid on the table here. Augnablik (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

My SVG has glitched because I don't know, I just used a mapchart map of 1830 to make my US flag map from 1822 to 1836, And I masked the flag, However, The SVG became invisible, the problem is so hard to fix that I just gave up. I asked some people to help me on Stack Overflow, They gave me some tips on how to fix it, It didn't work. So you guys are the only hope for me to fix it. (i have no idea if i should link my image here...) MJGTMKME123 (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

...why is nobody responding. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123, possibly because no one who understands how to help has seen it yet; we're all volunteers, here. Yes, you can link the image if you think it will help. Valereee (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. c:File:Flag_Map_of_the_United_States_(1822-1836).svg MJGTMKME123 (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123 The experts on .svg images have their own Help Pages at WP:SVG help. You should post details there and I'm sure you will get good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Aren’t mapChart maps usually unrecommended? 48JCL 19:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User is insulting me just because I used MapChart. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Also, I couldn't find a map for my flag map. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m not insulting you, it’s just that you can’t update a mapChart map and you should use a SVG instead. Also, in list of countries by human development index a couple of mapChart maps have been removed and in one of the edit descriptions it said that mapChart maps aren’t recommended 48JCL 22:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why would I just randomly waste time just to draw the map of the United States from 1822 to 1836 in SVG? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Idk, you want a high quality post right? 48JCL 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Let’s not argue 48JCL 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

How to cite source

I'm editing List of cathedrals in the United States. I can't upload photos obviously, for i can't take the only available photos in internet or social media. It's much hard too that i can't cite my source or be able to place the integrates of the locations i'm trying to enter in this list. I don't think i'll be ever able to place fully the details i'm trying to enter, so i hope anyone who can place the citations and integrates may be too kind to do it instead for me. I also intend to do similar new entries in related lists so i hope you will keep up and bear patience with me on this. Thanks guys! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@JorizMingoyMontes: WP:REFB is a useful guide on learning to cite sources. But, please clarify your question, as I don't understand how citing a source related to uploading photos. RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't upload photos from internet. Wikipedia says i must upload photos that i myself have taken. But evidently i can't do it for i can't travel elsewhere so i get photos only from internet JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi JorizMingoyMontes What does uploading photos have to do with citing a source? You don't need to upload a photo in order to cite a source; in fact, photos in most cases aren't really suitable to cite as sources. Perhaps you should take a look at WP:RELIABLESOURCES because you seem to misunderstand what "source" means in the context of "reliable sources". Do you instead want to know how to add images to the article about cathedrals in the US? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi and thank you! I don't mean photos and sources are one and the same. I only have two problems at the same time: I can't cite sources most of the time though thankfully I'm able to cite only in some articles that I edit, but not in all articles that I edit. Second is that I can't upload photos I freely find on the internet, for evidently I must take the photos on my own. I hope though you may help me on uploading photos without me necessarily taking those photos by myself. Yes please, I need to know. Thanks again! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Youtube documentry as source

Can a YouTube video (e.g. this one) that is from an official and reliable channel, covering the production of a film, be used as a source? DinSolo (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DinSolo: YouTube is just a platform, so the reliability or otherwise of the content depends on the channel and the original source. If we're talking eg. BBC News, and the clip is on BBC's own official channel, that is considered a reliable source, even on YouTube. If we're talking Russia Today, that's a deprecated source, and cannot be used no matter whose channel it's on. If we're talking BBC news, but the channel isn't BBC, then it could be reliable as long as the content hasn't been edited or doctored in any way, but it would be better to find that same content on BBC's own channel and cite that. (I say this in a generic sense, without commenting on whether Think Music India is a reliable source.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Think Music is a musiclabel, so they may be regarded as a reliable sources only for uncontroversial factual information about themselves and their issues: see WP:ABOUTSELF. It makes no difference what medium or platform their publications are on. ColinFine (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Also have a look at Wikipedia:YOUTUBE; copyright might be a problem. Lectonar (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, understood. Thanks for the reply guys --DinSolo (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

Hey, Hope you all are doing great. Recently I made three drafts Draft:Gumn, Draft:Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Draft:Hook (2022 TV series) but they were declined by reviewer User:Saqib who has been biased in reviewing my drafts and in case of Draft:Gumn despite the fact it does have multiple reliable sources, it was indicated that it does not meet WP:GNG. Help me get my articles published as I feel they all are notable to be published.  182.182.97.3 (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You are WP:LOUTSOCKing and engaging in UPE. Just stop. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not, you can have investigation on my IP. You guys are just bullying new editors like me. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Stop being so accusing. They are right. 48JCL 00:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How to remove "ghost" pictures

I created a topic at the Village Pump with two original images of mine. Then I deleted and replaced that file with a new version, which includes a new image. But the other two images seem to still be "alive," because when I clicked on a version of them in MS Word, I was taken to copies on the Internet.

Those unneeded images will just be cluttering up Wikipedia if they're allowed to remain, but I don't know where to go to delete them. Advice? Augnablik (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Augnablik. When asking about a specific Wikipedia page, it's usually helpful to provide a link to that page instead of expecting a Teahouse host to either just hope to make a lucky guess or to go digging through your contributions history to try and find the page/pages themselves. So, if you're asking about a particular file, please provide a link to the file's page or at least provide the name of the file. If you're asking about a particular Villiag Pump discussion, please provide a link to the discussion. Doing so will make it easier for someone to help you. Just for reference, only an Wikipedia administrator can WP:DELETE a Wikipedia page (including files), but it's not clear whether the files you uploaded are Wikipedia files or Wikimedia Commons files. In the latter case, you will need to request their deletion from Commons by following the guidance in c:Commons:Deletion policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just for reference, your Commons' contribution history shows that you've uploaded four files: File:User contributions mystery.png, File:Job aid template -1.png, File:Job Aid Example -1.png and File:Simplified Job Aid.png. If any of these are the files you'd like deleted, you will need to make a deletion request on Commons. Anything uploaded less than seven days ago, can most likely be tagged for speedy deletion per Commons speedy deletion criterion G7; however, anything uploaded seven or more days ago will need to be nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for both your messages, @Marchjuly. I didn't give a link because I just assumed there was some "holding place" images might go and an editor would simply tell me to go there. The photos I need deleted are included in your second message — I'll follow through on your advice. Augnablik (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, there's another oddity related to "ghost" pictures I just realize. I created only 3 images, but you identified 4. I clicked on the first one you mention, which is NOT one I knowingly created (User contributions mystery.png). I have no idea how it got created and ended up attributed to me!

This is weird. Is it possible that it's someone else's and if I ask for it to be deleted, that someone would lose an image he or she might to keep? Augnablik (talk) 04:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: The oldest of your uploads was uploaded too long ago to still be eligible for speedy deletion; so, you will need to start a regular deletion request for this file. You can do this by going to the file's Commons' page, clicking on "Nominate for deletion" in the left side bar and then following the prompts in the window that opens. The other three files can be tagged for speedy deletion. You can do this by going to each file's Commons' page, clicking on "Edit" at the top and then adding the syntax {{SD|G7}} (c:Template:SD) to the very top of the page's editing window. Once you've done that, click on "Show preview" to check your work and then "Publish changes" if things look OK. Since you're the person who uploaded the files, you don't really need to notify yourself,

As for your other questions, all four files are attributed to your account, which means either you or someone using your account uploaded them. Is it possible you just don't remember uploading the oldest one? Is it possible that you let someone else use your account to upload the file? If the later is a real possibility, then you might want to take a look at WP:COMPROMISED because this could be a problem for you when it comes to editing Wikipedia. As for whether someone might dispute your attempts tohave the files deleted, that's always a possibility, especially if the files are being used by others. In that case, further discussion may be needed to determine whether the file's still have some value to Commons per c:Commons:Project scope. It's also the main reason why only files hosted for less than seven days are eligible for author-requested speedy deletion; the idea is to give uploaders some time to correct mistakes or change their minds while also reducing that chances of the file being heavily used by others. You need to understand that once you upload something to Commons it can pretty remain there forever as long as it falls within Commons' Scope. The ability to self-nominate your uploads for speedy deletion is of more of courtesy than anything else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If I just leave the 3 images I don’t need or want, wouldn’t I be doing something unecological, not disposing of clutter?

If it doesn’t really matter, I’d love to save time by not having to figure out how to submit not one but 2 types of deletion requests. Augnablik (talk) 05:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Commons is more concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts and whether that content falls within its project scope. What you see as clutter, someone else might feel has some value. Even so, you uploaded the those files and you can nominate those that qualify for speedy deletion if you want. The files should ended up deleted after a few days unless someone else decides they want to use them. If that happens, then they're not really clutter and further discussion may be necessary to get them deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I can guarantee nobody else would want the images I’m referring to! 😂

I just hate clutter in general. Augnablik (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps then the images were outside the scope of Commons and never should've been uploaded in the first place. If you feel that's the case, then tag them for speedy deletion or nominate them for regular deletion as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, @Marchjuly … the reason I wanted to delete the images —- that is, the two I’d uploaded with an earlier version of a proposal I was making at the "Village Pump" —- was that in my updated version I created another image that I saved along with the replacement proposal. There was simply no further need for the 2 images I’d made for the earlier deleted proposal.

And as I’ve mentioned, I’m mystified about the 4th image you had on the list of images you found uploaded in my name, so I definitely don’t need it. Augnablik (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: If you visit File:User contributions mystery.png and scroll down a bit you'll find a heading "File usage" under which you're told that the file is used on Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1158. And indeed on that page in the section headed User Contributions page mystery there is what appears to be a question from you illustrated by that picture. --bjh21 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my. I don't recall that at all. Well, thanks for the detective work, @Bjh21. Augnablik (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add a "hat" that doesn't consume the whole page.

 Courtesy link: Talk:Islam

Hello everyone. I am attempting to close a discussion on the Islam talk page that has deviated from the purpose of a talk page.

When I add the hidden archive top template to the topic, it subsumes the entire page rather than just the problematic discussions.

If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, check out the recent edit history on that page.

Please advise! Zoozoor (talk) 05:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You will have to add hidden archive bottom template as well at the bottom of the section. So this is what you should have done:

{{hat|reason=some reason}}

Some section content

{{hab}} – robertsky (talk) 05:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Zoozoor (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Copyright Investigation

I appreciate any and all help. A week ago, an article that I created for Francesco Sapori was marked as having a copyright investigation for a violation of copyright. Unfortunately, this appears to be an error on the behalf of the editor. The website that is linked to as having a copyright problem does not contain any information about Sapori, no information from that site was used, and the report created by Earwig's Copyvio Detector notes there is a 0.0% chance of a violation. Again, the page that was linked to for a copyright violation had no content related to Sapori. I think the page was flagged by accident because it was new. I have attempted to contact the editor who marked the page for deletion due to copyright infringement, but it has been nearly a week and they haven't responded. The entire page is set to be deleted tomorrow, and I currently don't have the ability to copy over the text that I wrote.

Is there anything that I can do? I am worried the material will be deleted and I'll have to start again from square one. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like that tag was added by mistake to your draft while the editor who moved the article to draftspace was dealing with a copyright issue on a different page (Hanuman Books). I've removed the tag. Courtesy ping for Justlettersandnumbers in case I've made a mistake in figuring out what happened here. Tollens (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! It is greatly appreciated. This clarifies a great deal. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies to Jrhogbin, I messed that up – pasted the wrong url, both into the copyvio template and into the edit summary. The copyvio I had noticed (not very serious, but not negligible either) was/is from here. I'll relist the page under today's date so that anyone who wants to rewrite it will have a full week in which to do so. NB Job titles on their own are not a copyright concern, but job titles with associated running text may well be. Jrhogbin, if you want to be sure that someone sees a message you've written them, it's advisable to ping them in some way (I missed yours to me). I use {{u|Username}} to do that, but there are other ways. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Like if you use the [reply]-link, there is a little-guy-with-a-plus button for pinging. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: You get this month's prize for pointing out something really useful but not entirely obvious. Thanks! Bazza 7 (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wow! I never noticed that before! Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7@Shantavira You can also type @ for the same effect. If you use the [reply]-link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I Need Help

Hello Friends, I was hoping to gain some understanding of how to help in relation to a very pressing issue pertaining to the coat of arms. 47.41.65.240 (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse only really pertains to editing Wikipedia. If you have a question about editing Wikipedia you can ask it here, but if your question is about heraldry then maybe the reference desk would be a better place to ask. (As much as I am curious about how an issue pertaining to a coat of arms could possibly be 'pressing'). -- D'n'B-t -- 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Warning a user

Hello! I'd like to warn this IP about their edits at Newtonhill, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do I need to be a moderator/have special privileges? Dinsfire24 (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dinsfire24. Any editor can warn any other editor when justified. No special privileges are needed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello WP:WARNVAND may be a helpful resource for the guidelines for warning. Tools such as Twinkle and Ultraviolet help greatly in reverting and warning users :) Wiiformii (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

help object a change before it assumed Consensus

I have noticed couple of inaccuracy I would like to address in Wikipedia however I am not a register user and the inaccuracy is inside restricted page.

can someone please help me understand what are my next steps if I wish to challenge an edit before its becoming consensus automatically?

(since "Consensus can be assumed if no editors object to a change")

I have tried to Propose a specific change on a talk page. Didn't made add an edit request template yet.

selfstudd has deleted my attempt at challenging the consensus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:State_of_Palestine#A_%22Country%22

my proposed change in this debate: this article should take example form how the Vatican is defined in Wikipedia and there are links the relevant legal definitions articles which address the complex legal status of the disputed territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City it seams to me that the current phrasing who deliberately omitting the legality issues of the occupied Palestinians territories (for example like in the rename of "occupied Palestinian territory " to Palestinian_territories") and part of larger attempt at de-legitimize Israeli right to exist.

change: is a country in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. to: is a nation / state in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest 79.176.174.2 (talk) 18:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has designated some topics as being so controversial that edits and discussions about them need to be restricted to users who have demonstrated that they have significant experience on Wikipedia (500+ edits and holding an account for 30+ days). The Arab-Israeli conflict is one of those topics. This means that you cannot make changes to that article, nor participate in discussions related to it; you can only make edit requests on the talk page of the article. Even then, edit requests are for uncontroversial changes only, which your proposed change is not – this means you cannot propose this change at all right now. You are more than welcome to create an account and participate in editing other less controversial topics until you meet the requirements to propose such changes. Tollens (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Change Draft Title

I would like to change my draft title to clarify the article's primary section. However I cannot achieve that. Could you help me ? My draft is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IPG_Technique Dentistedu (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Dentistedu, the title of a draft has little significance, it's not worth worrying about. When a draft is deemed worthy of becoming an article, its title can be changed. Draft:IPG Technique has more serous problems:

1. It does not properly cite any sources. There are some sources, but they're all grouped together after the body of the draft, so a reader can't tell which of the statements is supported by which source. (I see you were warned about this in February, and again in April.)
2. It starts "IPG Technique is a surgical component that interfaces with the upper posterior jaw". I don't know what this means. A component that can interface with a physical structure must be a physical thing, but a technique is not a physical thing.
3. It capitalises common words for no obvious reason: "Surgical", "Sinus", "Concentrated Growth Factors". Maproom (talk) 21:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dentistedu. As well as the points Maproom raises, note that sources for medical articles are required to meet the higher criteria of MEDRS. I notice that not one of your sources uses the phrase "IPG technique" in its title, which seems odd for sources which supposedly support an article on "IPG technique". I further notice that the first two sources have a lead author whose initials are IPG, which makes me wonder if those articles are independent sources? Non-independent sources can be used for certain purposes (see WP:PRIMARY) but the majority of sources should be independent of the researchers who originated the technique.

Also, note that a Wikipedia article should never use evaluative language like "innovative" in Wikipedia's voice (it may directly quote a source that uses such language, as long as the source is completely unconnected with the subject of the article and any people associated with the subject).

Also, though this is less important than getting the citations right, and the neutral point of view, please consider using wikilinks. For example, we have an article on osseointegration, and if you linked to that you could probably give less explanation of it that you have, making your text clearer and less complex. ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

info template edits

How do I add a citation to an information box template? Phillyrox (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Phillyrox The way that I tend to use is to first create the citation in the visual editor as I find it a bit more user friendly, then I go to the source editor to copy it. I'll then go back to the visual editor, go into the infobox and add it to the parameter that I need a citation for. Alternatively you could just stay in the source editor and just scroll up to find the infobox and add it to the parameter that way, dealers choice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering

Why was the requirements to edit Extra-Protected pages changed from 500 edits to 501? Just curious. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I had that same situation, too. I think that it's some sort of software delay, or that the software is programmed to autogrant EC to users with over 500 edits. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 03:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 See WP:ECP and the more detailed article linked there, which confirms that you must already have 500 edits before you can edit an EC-protected article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles for trigger warnings

I wanted to make an article that is a list of media (books, movies, music) that references 9/11 as a means of trigger warnings for survivors and family members. Is this appropriate for Wikipedia? If not, is there somewhere else I can turn to? Theow1004 (talk) 00:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I cannot for the life of me parse what this means. Give an example of such a book, movie, or music. Zaathras (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What I mean by this is a piece of media that makes reference. It doesn’t have to be the main point of the media. You’ve never watched a movie with a 9/11 joke? You’ve never read a book that offhandedly mentions it? Because I’ve read 3 books just this year that have: Everyone on the Moon is Essential Personnel, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, and Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism. Theow1004 (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Trigger and WP:NDT as Wikipedia is a place without censorship and disclaimers at the top of pages for triggers aren't utilized. Wiiformii (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

There's List of cultural references to the September 11 attacks and Category:Works about the September 11 attacks but these aren't supposed to include works with only trivial mentions. Maybe doesthedogdie.com has what you want? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you soooo much for that website. Very helpful! Theow1004 (talk) 03:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Article translation

How do i add a language an article? When i try to do it, it just doesn’t show up when i try to add a langauge that the article hasn’t been translated too yet. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be working as intended, then! Why would you want to list a version of the article in another language that doesn't exist? Every article would just have 330 translation links, most of them useless. Remsense诉 03:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Blackmamba31248. I'm not sure what you mean. If you want to create a new translation then you must first create the article at the other wiki. Then you can add a language link by clicking "Add languages". PrimeHunter (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To expand on a possible misunderstanding, Blackmamba31248, there is no automatic translation function in Wikipedia. If an article exists on (say) the English Wikipedia where we are now, and you would like there to be one on (say) the Arendellian Wikipedia, a completely separate project, someone would have to write one in Arendellian and create it there. Only after that could a link from the English Wikipedia article to the one on the Arendellian Wikipedia be created.

Although one way of creating the Arendellian-language article would be to translate the English one (and note that raw auto-translate program outputs may not be used for final article text, although one might use one on one's own device as an aid), this might have to be modified for the doubtless different requirements of the Arendellian Wikipedia. The translator would need to have a good grasp of both languages, particularly Arendellian, otherwise the Arendellian Editors would have too much work to do correcting the result.

It would be equally valid to write an article in Arendellian from scratch, using whatever reliable sources (which can be in any language) are available (including the ones already used here). It might have a different structure and different (even in translation) text from the article here, but once approved on the Arendellian Wikipedia, links between the two would be welcome as they are both on the same subject. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank for clearing this up. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Template Data

Hello,

If I was to add template data, (Template:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports is in mind), do I have to worry about breaking the template on mainspace articles? I assume that changing the requirement status and data type would break stuff, but would changing the name or aliases do anything? Is there an in-depth tutorial about this?

Thank you! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 05:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi EatingCarBatteries. If you ask about this at Template talk:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports you'll probably get a more specific answer, but templates only work properly when they're used in accordance with their respective template documentation (i.e. you can only use the parameters specified in the documentation, and you can only use them as specified); so, even a minor change to a template's sytax can have a huge ripple effect depending on how widely the template is being used. Although this template doesn't seem to be one of the most highly used templates found on Wikipeida, it does still seem to be being used a fair amount of times. So, you might want be WP:CAUTIOUS here and propose changes on the template's talk page first, or maybe seek help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates or Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography before diving in head first. You could also trying practicing the changes you want to make in your user sandbox to see whether things work before actually attemption to edit the template's page itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do: the Sequel

What counts as something not being notable enough? My draft (Draft: Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan) was declined due to not meeting notability guidelines, but I thought it was. Am I wrong? The criteria stipulates that the sources need to not be just brief mentions of the subject in question but isn't a paragraph or so enough? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan

Hi TheBrowniess, Notability (organizations) is the relevant guideline but here but this one looks like it could be a bit of an edge case to me - every source is brief but as you say, they all give a paragraph or so. You could ask the reviewer who declined Grabup what they would consider significant coverage on this topic. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, The Sudan Tribune is the sole reliable source providing in-depth coverage. However, as per WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT, notability for organization requires multiple in-depth coverages from Independent reliable secondary sources. Additionally, The Sudan Tribune lacks author attribution, raising concerns about its accuracy which again fails WP:GNG’s Reliablity guidline which says “ Reliablity: means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.” That’s why I declined the Afc and commented that it needs more reliable secondary sources to establish notablity of the subject. Grabup (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I will concede then, I should've read the rules further before writing the draft, I guess. Thanks for your time, guys. Cheers! TheBrowniess (talk) 07:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

TheBrowniess Any access to non-English sources? This feels close to acceptable. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Spent a couple of minutes and I found none unfortunately, except for some weird translation services. TheBrowniess (talk) 10:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup could you review the recent changes? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, Submit it for review, it will be reviewed. Grabup (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Position of boxes

I'm trying to get a Wikiquote box and a Wikimedia box on the Darth Vader page to align better. Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see the boxes below the "Works Cited" section. Ideally, I would like the two boxes to be side-by-side. Wafflewombat (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat I think this is because the templates are normally in an External links section, which you recently removed. The template page, e.g. {{Wikiquote}} gives some other options. Removing the |position=left parameters is one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

About location changes

Hello, I have a question about frequent location changes. This summer, I plan on traveling to many places. I like to edit Wikipedia during my trip. I understand that my IP address will change when I move from place to place. Will it be possible for me to continue editing Wikipedia despite the frequent changes in my location? Thanks for answering me! Hanoifun (talk) 13:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's no issue with editing from different areas (so long as it's not disruptive, as usual). Editing while you're logged in would also make it more difficult to track where you are. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun If you are concerned about editing from places (e.g. Internet cafes) but don't want to use your main account for security reasons, then it is perfectly acceptable to create an alternative account for that purpose: see WP:PUBSOCK. This is probably better than editing logged-out as all the separate IP addresses would be difficult to associate with you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Walkerton E. coli outbreak

 Courtesy link: Walkerton E. coli outbreak

I recently reviewed the page referenced above (Walkerton e-coli) and was surprised to see no reference to changes in provincial water testing that privatized testing and which impacted early detection of the source of contamination. https://www.archives.gov.on.ca/en/e_records/walkerton/report1/pdf/WI_Summary.pdf i also note that the page references 2000 cases when the official report states at least 2300. The page was last edited May 3, 2024 for an event dating from 2000. The Inquiry document referenced here dates from 2002. While I support Wikipedia, I’m not a good candidate to become an Editor and do not have the skill set to affect changes personally (though I will re-evaluate that moving forward) and suggest that those more knowledgeable update the page and perhaps monitor future changes … 166.48.156.22 (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. When you want to make suggestions but are not bold enough to do them yourself, the best place to place your suggestion is on the Talk Page of the article. In this case that would be Talk:Walkerton E. coli outbreak. There is an edit request wizard which will draw such ideas to the attention of editors who specialize in following up such requests, which is appropriate for articles like that one which don't have many page watchers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Questions about talk page conduct

Hey just, general question, if an editor consistently and summarily dismisses all conflicting opinions to theirs as 'twitter nonsense', deems any arguments contrary to their editorial opinion as wikilawyering despite none of the behaviors on the wikilawyering essay being even remotely approached, accuses other editors of bigotry against a country's people when they cite a human rights report on that country's government in evaluating the weight to give a statement from that government, randomly makes similar accusations even outside of those circumstances, says they'll take the next editor who cites that human rights report to ARBCOM, and in general makes consistent demands that editors that disagree with their ideas (such as on whether to use a primary source with a heavy conflict of interest to exclude reliably sourced and weighted dissenting viewpoints for instance) drop their disputing points or take them to twitter for no visible reason other than that they don't like it; does that fall afoul of anything in the realm of civility? Snokalok (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To elaborate, what if they're a really, *really* influential editor? Like one of the oldest editors on the site influential? Not an admin, to clarify. Snokalok (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If you can document specific examples, then start a case at WP:ANI or at WP:AE if the transgressions require ArbCom attention. No editor is "influential" and any editor, regardless of experience or longevity, can receive blocks or bans for behavioral reasons. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What's the practical difference between ANI and AE? Is it just that one is more a specific incident while the other is more longterm? Snokalok (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The biggest practical differences are that

1. AE requires that the dispute be related to a contentious topic area and that the reported editor be formally aware of that topic's contentious status
2. AE has word limits and sectioning that keep conversations smaller (usually)
3. AE decisions solicit input from all editors, but the decision is ultimately based on consensus of responding administrators. ANI decisions can be based on whole-community consensus.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Collapsing a template

The template Template:Alphabet occupies a large amount of space down the right hand side of the pages where it is used. Examples are at:

• Hebrew alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet}}
• Ugaritic alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet|state=collapsed}}

Despite the different invocations, they seem to display the same; that is, the "state=collapsed" in the second example seems to have no effect.

The template itself starts:

{{#invoke:sidebar|collapsible
| heading1 = [[History of the alphabet]]
| expanded = {{#ifeq:{{{state|<noinclude>uncollapsed</noinclude>}}}|uncollapsed|all}}
| liststyle = text-align:left;
| ...

which suggests that collapsibility is potentially available. But the template documentation is almost non-existent and doesn't seem to mention collapsibility.

What is the mechanism to make it collapsible, please? Where, if at all, is it documented? If someone could tell me how to invoke it, I would then be happy to add a documentation note if required.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from looking at Module:Sidebar, the "collapsible" parameter isn't actually an option, but I could be wrong. Rather, there's another template {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}} that is also implemented by that module, and it contains collapsible lists inside the sidebar. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for your useful replies here and at Template talk:Alphabet. The latter is probably the better place for follow-up. I think I am making progress. Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it okay for a user to manufacture articles with two lines ?

While checking this https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Saqib

Just came to this user saqib created 200+ articles with Autopatrolled rights only with two lines (alosmost all articles) and most of them are not properly cited. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and hundred more.

Is it okay to manufacture short articles with Autopatrolled rights? Because as per guidelines creating "clean" , well cited articles is mandatory!. Lkomdis (talk) 16:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I clicked on a few of your examples, and all seemed to be stubs about notable subjects, and all had at least one citation. What do you see is the problem? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

All looks similar "just two lines", not single article was expended by the the creater, as I checked. And if someone is notable can be create hundreds of articles with just two lines?. Is that the way, we should use Autopatrolled rights! Lkomdis (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrol has nothing to do with the ability to create articles, and you seem to be confused about what constitutes a clean page.

Autopatrol is a right given to users who have demonstrated they can create clean article pages, to reduce the workload of patrollers who don't have to patrol those creations.

Every example you gave is a clean page. Each presents a notable subject and a supporting secondary source. The fact that each page is a WP:Stub doesn't mean it isn't clean. Those pages conform to WP:LAYOUT, WP:HEADINGS, and other guidelines, they are properly categorized, and they are about notable subjects. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It was confusing for me because most of them resemble the dictionary of politicians. In the past, I believed that Autopatrolled rights were granted to individuals who produce articles that were both clean and elaborate. I appreciate your reply. Lkomdis (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Private Pages

Hello, I was curious if there is somewhere here, or on another website where you can make private Wikipedia pages. I feel reluctant to use the sandbox since other people may be able to edit or delete it. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No, that isn't possible. However, your sandbox can be semi-protected so that anonymous IP addresses cannot edit it. I have protected user-space pages by request; let me know.

If you want a truly private draft, then compose it in a document on your personal computer. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wastelandhero18, welcome to the Teahouse. There are no private pages in Wikipedia. Other users can see User:Wastelandhero18/sandbox but are unlikely to edit it unless you place article categories or illegal content like copyright violations. The content should still be Wikipedia-related, e.g. tests and article drafts. If you want full privacy while still having access to Wikipedia features like our templates then you have to save your work elsewhere and only use "Show preview" here. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you can start a public wiki only you can edit. [1] may have something interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd say the issue with a "private draft" is that unless you intend it to be a draft forever, it's eventually going to be editable. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That is something I've also been wishing for. I wonder if it has come up in discussion by the senior editors before. If not, maybe, @Wastelandhero18, we could make this a proposal to post at the Village Pump, Proposals area, a place I just discovered recently. Augnablik (talk) 06:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Not trying to rain on your parade, but I think there's pretty much zero chance of something like that ever happening, and proposing such a thing at the Village Pump will almost cerainly quickly lead to at least one if not many more replies citing WP:NOTWEBHOST. For reference, even pages in the user namespace aren't "owned" by anyone other than the Wikimedia Foundation explained in WP:UPOWN. The best advice anyone can give you if you want to retain full-editorial control over or otherwise keep your work private is to never post it on any Wikipedia page as explained in WP:REALWORLD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Raising an umbrella too. Augnablik (talk) 08:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

What are the limitations of {{display title}}?

I ask in regards to TM103: Hustlerz Ambition, would it be possible to have the page located at TM103 Hustlerz Ambition and use {{display title}} to have the level 1 header on the page say TM:103 Hustlerz Ambition? I understand [[TM:]] is a shortcut to the template namespace.

I feel like having the page at TM103: is facutally incorrect, it seems wrong to change the order of the punctuation just for the sake of getting the colon in there? If this were technically possible, I would start the WP:RM. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus: It can only be used to make the changes described at Template:DISPLAYTITLE § Description; adding a colon in the middle of the title is unfortunately not one of those things. The reasoning behind this is that the title needs to be able to be copy-pasted into links (and other things), and adding most characters in most places won't allow for that. Tollens (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: Ahh, of course. I image I will still commence a WP:RM as, in my opinion, the colon in the wrong location is a factually incorrect name as opposed to the omission of a colon, but others may agree. Good to know that if the page where to move, {{display title}} wouldn't be a fix. Many thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus: Welcome to the Teahouse. While not a 100% fix, perhaps using {{correct title}} might clear up some misconceptions of what the title is supposed to be rendered as? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the article already uses that note. Tollens (talk) 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Different data in different WP:RS citation

I was editing this page Blue Train (South Africa) and came across different data in two different reliable citations. CNN (https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/luxury-train-travel/index.html) states 27 hours travel duration and Business Insider Africa states 31 hours travel duration (https://africa.businessinsider.com/news/the-best-luxury-train-rides-in-2024/gc7lrsp)

CNN is an older citation from 2016 and Business Insider Africa is a newer citation from 2024. Would it be better if I change the duration mentioned on the page from 27 to 31 hours since the newer citation should be updated? My assumption and logic here is that the latest citation will be more accurate.

ANLgrad (talk) 21:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I opened a discussion at Talk:Blue Train (South Africa), though only with more info--not a solution yet. JackTheSecond (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK nominations

Do you know how long a dyk will take? 48JCL 23:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Typically, less than a month from submitted to approved, and then an additional 10-14 days to be used. There are about a half-dozen dating to early April or March that are not yet approved, mostly due to lack of agreement on the text of the DYK. David notMD (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

"Not a guide"

I wrote Draft:Designated Reserves (Czech Republic) which was rejected by User talk:TheTechie for not meeting WP:NOTGUIDE. In one part of the article, I painstaikingly summarized/translated the prescribed requirements of the training courses. The idea being of having it prepared in way that will allow direct and meaningful comparison with similar future articles about similar systems in other countries (e.g. Lithuania, Estonia, etc.).

Can someone please let me know to what extent the content needs to be dumbed down in order to pass the WP:NOTGUIDE? Cimmerian praetor (talk) 04:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I suggest reducing the "Training under auspices of Ministry of Interior" section to a brief overview of the training process. You should still mention the 3 levels including a brief description of each. If the article feels like a guide, then it probably fails WP:NOTGUIDE. EternalNub (talk) 05:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing

I used to be able to edit Wiki pages, but seem to have lost that ability. What went wrong? M.N. Thaler (talk) 10:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@M.N. Thaler This account is new, so you can't currently edit articles with some level WP:PROTECTion, but those are relatively few, marked with a padlock in the upper right corner. For example, you should be able to edit Bellis perennis. Most protected articles have Semi-protection. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. This account isn't new – I have been editing for a few years from this account, but for some reason that is not possible anymore. M.N. Thaler (talk) 05:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@M.N. Thaler My mistake, see: [2]. My point remains that since you atm only have 3 edits on en-WP, the en-WP protections, semi and others, will get in your way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Martinogale

This article seems to be a direct translation of es:Martinogale without correct attribution of such. What tags should be placed on the article? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah... it seems that the same author created both at the same time, so this isn't an issue for this article. However, I'd still like to know what kind of tagging would have been useful. -

UtherSRG (talk) 11:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:RIA has advice about fixing problems of attribution when copying within Wikipedia. Hope that helps! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was looking for. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Report a Writer

Is there a way I can report a user for disruptive behavior and harrassment? Aanuarif (talk) 11:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry you faced harassment. I recommend you take a look at the policy section WP:DEALWITHINCIVIL, which is a step by step guide to dealing with incivility. If the steps fail to resolve the problem, you can file a report at WP:ANI, with evidence like Diffs. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

You should also read WP:BOOMERANG. Theroadislong (talk) 13:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Updating Atlas (robot)

I have found that the task of updating Atlas (robot) with information about their new electronic successor is a task I can handle. I cannot, however, determine if I can add significant or even a little bit of information about the new robot's purpose and construction with a source straight from Boston Dynamics. I also am having trouble figuring what the author for this text would be and how I would cite it in the article. Any advice on what to do? I would like to improve the state of the article. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 13:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for

Since the author is not mentioned in the website, it's ok to leave the field blank, like this:

I also recommend finding an WP:independent source for information added to articles, since the company who made Atlas wouldn't be impartial to it. However, the blog you've found should fine for uncontroversial, little details. 👍

Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

References

I was figuring all the article needed was a baseline for the updated version, and all the commentary, reactions, and more in-depth stuff would come later. Just needed a start! Thank you, Ca. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 14:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How to recover a page that has been deleted

How can I make a request to recover the draft of a page that went through the articles for deletion process? I'd like to see what the original draft looked like so I can update it as new references are available since its deletion. Nnev66 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nnev66 Depending on what criteria it was deleted under, you can request undeletion for a page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, WP:UNDELETE is a bit confusing and but I've requested the page be restored as a Draft and will see what happens. Appreciate your response that this process may be OK for article that had originally gone through AfD. Nnev66 (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI, in case anyone has my question, I was told if one wants to recover a Draft page they should contact the admin who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion and not use the undeletion mechanism. I'll update here once I have a final resolution to this issue. Nnev66 (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

My Userboxes put into a vertical table?

Hello, I need help with my userboxes on my page. I am trying to put the collapsible segments into a vertical table, but am having trouble with it. Thanks! MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 I'd recommend something like mine, where all of my userboxes are laid out in their own box with collapseboxes. This prevents them from sort of just sitting around all over the page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried doing something similar, but it still doesn't work. MemeGod ._. (talk) 16:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 I think you might've been trying to use userboxtop/bottom and collapsetop/bottom templates interchangeably, so hopefully I've fixed that now but please make sure to check it so it's correct. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yea,, you fixed it. Thanks so much! :D MemeGod ._. (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

If you make 20 very small changes, should that necessarily be 20 separate edits?

Wikipedia:Good editing practices tells me that "Making multiple changes in a single edit, particularly when edits stretch across different sections, should be avoided.". What I have interpreted this to mean is that if I am making multiple small edits within the same paragraph, that I should make them as one edit, but if they stretch across multiple paragraphs, then I should make a separate edit for each paragraph that I am editing.

A lot of the changes I make in articles are small minor changes here and there like adding commas and adding the word "the", so that means following this interpretation ends up inflating my edit count. For example, I was editing the article for the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, and 18 of the edits were just me "fixing grammar by adding the word 'the'". Is it necessarily a bad thing that there are a large number of those edits? Would that be excessively inflating my edit count and adding too much clutter to the version history or am I just overthinking this? Anonymous Libertarian (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Anonymous Libertarian, and welcome to the Teahouse. Nobody who is here to improve the encyclopaedia cares in the least about edit count; and nor is the length of the version history really of import.

I would say that several minor edits in the same section would be fine, but there wouldn't be a problem doing them individually.

The major risk in doing different edits in one go is that if somebody disagrees with one of them, they are unlikely to pick just that one, but will often just revert the whole eid.t ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I’ve been wondering the very same thing, @Anonymous Libertarian. But of course there’s no real harm to anyone if we simply rack up points — it’s not quite like if we were using up critical natural resources by turning on the tap every time we made a minor edit. 😅

Still, I’ve had my share of moral twinges about this … Augnablik (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

In the vast majority of cases, it's simply not that big of a deal and you should do what feels most comfortable and reasonable until someone tells you otherwise. There are disadvantages to both discretizing every edit and making large heterogenous edits, both stemming from difficulty of review by other editors. Just be aware that both people might have trouble with large edits that touch a lot of different parts and do a lot of different things, and also with 40 edits that fill of the article history that they then potentially have to go through piecemeal. Personally, I would find it a bit absurd to make every typographical change its own edit, there's simply no reason to do that as a matter of course. Remsense诉 16:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

meet of global wikimedians

When wikimedians gather in one place and how they are nominated for representing their country? Muhammad masnoon (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Muhammad masnoon. I think you are talking about the annual Wikimania conference. Anyone can attend and there is no nomination process. Attendees represent themselves, not their countries. If you need financial assistance, you need to apply to the Wikimedia Foundation. Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

citations in serbian to an article in english

I am trying to submit an article about an urban garden in Belgrade, Serbia. The citations i am giving are either books or big online newspapers/magazines (I have now deleted two just in case: one to the tilda site and youtube reportage about the garden). I am wondering if the citations are marked as unreliable because they are in serbian? Tommyleena (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tommyleena There is guidance applicable to all sources at WP:RS. Sources don't need to be in English but we do prefer those that have editorial control and oversight, such as national-level newspapers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the issue might be more to do with a lack of sourcing than with the reliability of the sources that are cited, Tommyleena. For example, what's the source for the statement that "Belgrade garden hosts a variety of plant species, with 29 trees of different species growing there"? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Would this article be notable enough?

Hi there!

So currently I am trying to create the articles for the 4 railway routes in Iraq, the IRR Southern, Western, Northern and Transversal. The Southern and Transversal articles already exist, for the Western Line I have prepared a sandbox but the biggest issue would be the Northern railway. The problem is, that the article for the IRR Northern kind of exists already as the Berlin-Baghdad Railway article. The thing is that the article does not really focus on the Iraqi section as well as the current state of operations and transformations in Iraq or generally anything that only matters to the Iraqi section, not just the entirety of the railway, which is fair. Would you say an article solely for the Iraqi section would be notable enough or would it be silly to create two articles for effectively the same railway?

With kind regards,

Johnny Does JohnnyDoobydoo (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JohnnyDoobydoo. There are two separate questions here. Whether the Iraqi section of the BBR is notable by Wikipedia's standards depends just on the number and quality of reliable independent sources about that section specifically (the sources do not have to be online, and do not have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they exist).

If the sources are not there (remember, for that section specfically), then there cannot be a separate article.

If the sources exist, then a separate article is possible, but that does not necessarily mean it should exist. Is there enough worth saying about that section specifically that merits a separate article? This is an editorial decision (and editors may disagree about it!). The alternative is to create a section about it in Berlin-Baghdad Railway, and then you can create a redirect that points to that section. Discussing this on Talk:Berlin-Baghdad Railway might be a good way to start. ColinFine (talk) 08:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

add only Talk page to Watchlist

Can I add only the Talk page (not its article) to my Watchlist for new topics? Thanks. rootsmusic (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

You can subscribe to sections in the talk pages in the top right of the section header Adriancph (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry Adriancph, I just discovered a "subscribe" link in the tool pane under Actions. I mistakenly thought that I should click on the star symbol (Alt+shift+W). rootsmusic (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may find this page informative. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft on lake

Hello, I'm needing some advice for my draft, which is a lake in Kansas and I was wondering what I need to fix. Thanks RoyalSilver (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi RoyalSilver. I'd suggest looking for some sources independent of Shawnee County's own publicity, such as some news coverage or a travel guide. As it is now, you've got four references but they're all coming from the same place. Good luck with your article! -- D'n'B-t -- 19:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

One thing I see becoming an issue is that you're currently writing backwards. This is problematic because it is original research and that it can sometimes be hard to verify to the standards of Wikipedia that something is true.

Also, note that not all Wikipedia articles need images. Your map really doesn't tell all that much about the lake itself as I cannot see it. If you really want an image, you could take it yourself and add it to Wikimedia Commons. ✶Quxyz✶ 02:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking for a book

There is a book, used as a source on Wiki article. I need to read and verify it. However cannot find free version of it. I already tried Google, Archive.org, and Wikipedia Lib. What else can I do? Is there any community or page (in wikipedia) to ask for a book? Aredoros87 (talk) 20:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Aredoros87,

Have you tried a public library? You may also find some more ideas of what to find what you're looking for on this wikipedia help page.

Let us know if you have other questions! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

For part of a book, WP:RX. 126.158.251.60 (talk) 21:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

My general strategy when attempting to access a "book" is to start with WorldCat. The main reason for this is that if I'm having trouble getting what I want from archive.org, I'll already be aware of the existence or non-existence of the alternatives that WorldCat shows. Be aware that although Open Library accesses through the archive.org interface, there are occasional differences in what you may actually be able to access.

Note that when WorldCat points you at some other "free" sources, these are often actually restricted to those who have an association with the associated institution, Hathi Trust being a notable exception. Fabrickator (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 You say that you saw the book already used as a source on a Wikipedia article. If you doubt that the book supports the article content and are trying to verify that it does, then one suggestion would be to raise the issue on the Talk Page of the article and WP:PING the editor who added that citation. For well-watched articles there are likely to be several people interested in the topic who have access to the passage in question and who might even be willing to email you a copy of the relevant pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

New to editing

hello! I am new to editing on Wikipedia, does anyone have any tips for me? Pasta Crab (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pasta Crab: Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new user you should have a homepage that gives you some suggested edits. If for some reason you don't see it, you can check Preferences → User profile → Newcomer editor features → Display newcomer homepage. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pasta Crab: Don't be anxious to create a new article. That can easily lead to a lot of frustration as your efforts are highly likely to be repeatedly rejected for seemingly arbitrary reasons. Eavesdropping on the Teahouse and at WP:Help desk will give you some idea of the sorts of issues new users encounter.

If you are tempted to edit an article, make sure you understand about the requirements to cite WP:Reliable sources for any claims made. Be aware of the standard way to properly format citations. (That's a joke, there are various "standard ways" to format citations.) I imagine most new editors these days are using the visual editor, but if you want to see the "wikitext", that might give you some insight in what's going on underneath.

There are indeed some introductory areas, such as listed on Help:Contents and various other links listed in the left margin (at least in the non-mobile page layout). So just play around, as you explore, discover the issues people are encountering, you'll be less likely to trip and fall when you decide that the time has come for you to add or edit content. Fabrickator (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Main tip: when in doubt, ask. You have already made one of the key discoveries, that the Teahouse is a great place to come for help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

how do i write my biography

Olamuyiwa isaac daodu Daoduofvaughan (talk) 22:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Daoduofvaughan: Welcome to the Teahouse. We strongly discourage editors from creating articles on themselves as it is virtually impossible to write about oneself in a neutral manner. Perhaps you could contribute to the encyclopedia by helping edit other articles? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you notable in any way? WP:Notability might answer this question. Wrosh (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I so heartedly appreciated your response, can you help me do it? Daoduofvaughan (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Olamuyiwa Isaac Daodu was Declined because you submitted it with no content. Please do not submit again until you have content and references. Teahouse Hosts are her to advise, no to be researchers or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

What are Start-Class articles?

A stub is a article which is to short the length of which i am unsure about but what exactly is a Start and where can one find this information. thank you in advance for helping a new Wikipedian. Adriancph (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Adriancph: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does this table help? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced Section

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilesh_Jalamkar i found this Article,But It Dont Have Reference to Personal Life,I am a New Editor here...Can I add Tag

to Personal Life Section as New Editor ? Steelbird1967 (talk) 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello there... yes you can tag it, but you might also wanna consider deleting completely unsourced sections like this in a Biography. I hope this helps. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Side note: there is a specific tag for BLPs in {{BLPUnsourced}}. ✶Quxyz✶ 02:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Updated the page of a relatively important figure in the Libyan Civil war, would someone mind checking my writing/sourcing?

Found out about that Al-Mahdi Al-Barghathi had died last October, in rather circumspect circumstances, but that the Wikipedia page still talked about the man as alive. So I figured I'd do some digging and update the page. I've spent some hours researching, and found what seem to be the most accurate/reliable sources, but I'm not sure if I formatted the brief and long bios as best possible. If anyone would mind checking the article and editing it so it fits with Wikipedia style that'd be great MWvBins (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• It seems OK to me. If another editor agrees with me, you can just move forward and forget about it. Bduke (talk) 04:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• Doesn't seem to have notable issues at all. Move on I guess. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 04:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Canoe help, anyone?

I'm editing an article entitled Canoe. Down at the bottom is what seems to be a template called "Clear" applied to a small section of text under a heading of "Canoe launches." I thought what Clear was likely to be for was to suggest that the small section be removed, because it's so small, without real discussion, and (at least to me) not of much value to the article.

But when I clicked on "Clear," it seemed to indicate that it was to clear up parts of photos. Because there was no photo in that section, I'm wondering why it's there. I'd love to find out. Augnablik (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

That's a template, which you can check out at {{Clear}}. Basically, its role is to ensure that white space is created to avoid images clashing with text, especially in this case the section header following, in various browser window widths. You should leave this alone unless you are clear [pun intended] about the consequences of removing it! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull, with an extra dollop of — let me be clear here — appreciation for your “pun intended.”

It’s because I did check out the template that I was confused because the Clear icon is just sitting in a text areas with no photos. My question was why it was there. Maybe it was unintentional on the part of whoever put it there. Augnablik (talk) 11:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the clear template there is doing nothing there; what probably happened is that the image it was intended for got removed at some point, and the removing editor forgot to take out the template as well. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense @Ca — I hadn’t thought of that — thanks. I should be able to remove Clear worry-free. Augnablik (talk) 15:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Can I remove a redirect for a page that now exists?

A few months ago I created the page Warped Tour - 2012, however this wasn't the exact name I wanted to use. I would have preferred to call it "Warped Tour 2012" without the hyphen (as this fits the format of the other Warped Tour year pages), but when I originally tried to move it out of the draft state into an article, it wouldn't let me use that name as it said it was already taken. It also does not let me changed the name of the page now that it is an article, giving me the same reason.

Since from what I can see, a page dedicated to the 2012 version of the Warped Tour did not exist prior to me creating this one, I think what might be going on here is that "Warped Tour 2012" is currently set up as a redirect to the main Warped Tour page so it in a way already exists on Wikipedia and won't let me replace it. So this has me thinking that this redirect needs to be removed to allow for the new page to take it's name.

I'm not well versed in Wikipedia so I'm aware that I could be way off the mark with what's causing me to not be able to rename the 2012 page, it might be unrelated to this, but this is what I think may be the issue here. Any help would be much appreciated, thank you! Owen1141 (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The article existed before and was deleted in 2014 per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Warped_Tour_2012. Only the redirect was left. Though an administrator can more your page over this redirect. Ruslik_Zero 13:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

So moved. Now at Warped Tour 2012. Deor (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

help with table

Hello. I am kind of new to Wikipedia. I came across Stanley Kamel#Filmography, and I tried a lot of things to fix the table, but it isnt getting fixed. Would someone kindly fix the table? —usernamekiran (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Usernamekiran. You don't appear to have edited Stanley Kamel, and it is not obvious to me what the problem is with the table (or even which table). Please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran I fixed one minor problem which is what I assume you were worried about. However, I can't find the name of the character on IMDb and given how many things Kamel appeared in, it may be better to remove that row altogether as not being notable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

False signature?? The query is 'signed' usernamekiran, but the entry and editing to the Kamel article appear to have been made by a different account. usernamekiran is clearly not "...kind of new to Wikipedia". David notMD (talk) 16:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The edits were made by usernamekiran using his alt-account (note x at the end), so I don't think anything untoward is going on. It seems he was being modest about his experience! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

ha e

Have they removed soil from da Nang air base 66.171.21.41 (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. If Da Nang Air Base doesn't have the answer to your question, you could trying asking at one of the reference desks; WP:RD/H would probably be the best fit. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Issue with exporting pages with their templates

Hello,

I am getting the following error when I attempt to export pages with the included templates. I am able to export them without the templates. Is there something I can do to troubleshoot? It had worked earlier in the week.

Request from 173.71.130.68 via cp1104 cp1104, Varnish XID 554392182
Upstream caches: cp1104 int
Error: 500, Internal Server Error at Fri, 10 May 2024 16:13:52 GMT

173.71.130.68 (talk) 16:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP user. (Exporting pages? That's not the sort of question I expect to find on the Teahouse!) I suggest you ask at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Automatically filling an infobox person from Wikidata

I'm editing a Draft for the article Pere-Enric_de_Ferran_i_de_Rocabruna in the english Wikipedia. I'm trying to insert an infobox person using {{Infobox person/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL}}, as it is sugested in the tutorials, but the box is not being automatically filled from Wikidata, eventhough a Wikidata element does exists with the same title as the article. In the draft edit page, under Tools menu, I'm not finding any link to Wikidata. Xfmol (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Xfmol, Welcome to the Teahouse. I am curious. Which tutorial recommends using {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} rather than {{Infobox person}}? The link to Wikidata for an article is not by name but by article link. Draft articles aren't linked to Wikidata, so you will need to wait until the article is in mainspace. Also the template will only pick up data which has references, and very few of the items at for that person have sources.

It appears you are translating the article from another language rather than writing in your own words. You must indicate this. See Help:Translation#License requirements. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

In Template:Infobox person/Wikidata section Usage there are several examples using {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} Xfmol (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Xfmol. I was about to give you much the same response as StarryGrandma; but I want to note that infoboxes are not required in articles, so it should make no difference to the review process whether you have an infobox or not. I suggest you simply comment out the infobox for the present (put it between <!-- and --> )

However, what will make a difference to the review is that Draft:Pere-Enric de Ferran i de Rocabruna has only one source cited, and therefore does not establish that he meets the criteria for notability in English Wikipedia; and also it is written in flowery language, inappropriate for English Wikipedia.

Please note that different versions of Wikipedia have different rules and policies, so the existing of an article in another Wikipedia does not guarantee that the subject will meet the requirements for English Wikipedia. Please see WP:Translation. ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. It is a draft editing page and I am just starting to write the article; of course the article will be far more extended and will have >10 references. I'm almost a begginer editor, I've already contributed to the catalan, spanish and french Wikipedias, but this is the first time I'm contributing to the english Wikipedia. Xfmol (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Shakespeare's use of color purple

literary references using color purple 2601:8C:4680:F4F0:7058:B971:4F6F:FDA1 (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. But clearer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please ask at the Reference Desk. ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Watermark

Hello, I uploaded a new image and I just noticed that it had a watermark at the bottom right, and I don't know what to do now. Could someone help me RoyalSilver (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)