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How to get a mentor?
Hello all. I see that some new editors are assigned a mentor to be there as a guide, support, etc. Such a cool idea. How are folks assigned to a mentor, do you have to sign up? Do you just reach out to an editor and ask? Thanks :) Taevchoi (talk) 16:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Taevchoi We only have enough mentors for about 50% of new accounts to get them at present. However, if you were in the half that didn't, then you can activate the Newcomer Homepage at Special:preferences (at the bottom there is a check-box). Once you have saved that change in your preferences, the homepage tab will be visible when you navigate to your userpage and that tab has the name of your assigned mentor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Taevchoi (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull, are you saying a new editor can "force" themselves a mentor this way? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes. I am a mentor and wanted to check out how the newcomer homepage tab worked and what it looked like: in activating it on my account I was assigned a mentor (whom I have never contacted). Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Come to think of, I did that too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes. I am a mentor and wanted to check out how the newcomer homepage tab worked and what it looked like: in activating it on my account I was assigned a mentor (whom I have never contacted). Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull, I'm in the 50% of editors who got a mentor. But now, two years after the Wiki start gate opened for me, I feel that so many senior editors have been like mentors in the Teahouse and other areas where we can ask questions that I'd be willing to "free up" my assigned mentor. Perhaps other editors would, too. Augnablik (talk) 01:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Yes, I made exactly that point to the Growth Team at WP:Growth Team features/Mentor list#Suggestion to "retire" mentees on 15 April. That team has taken up the suggestion but it is not yet implemented (see that thread). Incidentally, I find that most of the newcomers who are assigned to me as a mentor never make contact and of those who do, most do so only once. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- It can also happen that assigned mentors don’t really connect with their mentees. Augnablik (talk) 12:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't actively check who is being assigned to me. I await their contact, which happens on my Talk Page. I currently have 625 mentees, with new ones being added at 2 to 4 per day. If I added a welcome message to all of them I would have little time to do anything else! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- You have 625 mentees? Dear God!
- Is that the typical ratio per senior editor? Augnablik (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, my mentor dashboard is set so I get the "average" number. This perhaps explains why only 50% of new users on enWiki get the newcomer homepage. Note that, as I've already said, few of my assigned mentees ever contact me: about 30 have done so this year (see my Talk Page: they are the ones with timestamps in the section title, which is how this newcomer feature works). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't actively check who is being assigned to me. I await their contact, which happens on my Talk Page. I currently have 625 mentees, with new ones being added at 2 to 4 per day. If I added a welcome message to all of them I would have little time to do anything else! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- It can also happen that assigned mentors don’t really connect with their mentees. Augnablik (talk) 12:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Yes, I made exactly that point to the Growth Team at WP:Growth Team features/Mentor list#Suggestion to "retire" mentees on 15 April. That team has taken up the suggestion but it is not yet implemented (see that thread). Incidentally, I find that most of the newcomers who are assigned to me as a mentor never make contact and of those who do, most do so only once. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- The idea of assigned mentors is a nice “warm fuzzy,” and appreciated as we start out on our Wiki editing journey making our way through the fog.
- But if (1) there aren’t enough mentors to go around; and (2) mentor-mentee interaction isn’t as strong as anticipated when the program was initiated; and (3) mentees find good support from non-assigned senior editors simply through discussion like here in the Teahouse, perhaps assigned mentors aren’t really needed.
- But something is. For awhile, at least. What about occasional Internet forums via threaded message boards. These could be available for all new editors to take part in, within some sort of time frame like 6 months or a year after they come to Wikipedia.
- Since newbies would interact with several senior editors rather than just one — and in addition, with fellow newbies — this could actually expand their sense of connection with Wikipedia beyond what they have in the current assigned mentor arrangement. Augnablik (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you'd like to make suggestions or otherwise ask questions about the current mentor feature, you can do so at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features. The feature was created by the Wikimedia Foundation's Growth Team. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the invitation, @Marchjuly — can you say a little more about that team, though? Because GROWTH would seem to be a much larger focus than just mentorship. Augnablik (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a member of the Growth Team, but there is more information about it on the link I included in my earlier post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the invitation, @Marchjuly — can you say a little more about that team, though? Because GROWTH would seem to be a much larger focus than just mentorship. Augnablik (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you'd like to make suggestions or otherwise ask questions about the current mentor feature, you can do so at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features. The feature was created by the Wikimedia Foundation's Growth Team. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Or the other way round :). Lectonar (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems that some accounts don't have mentorship, even with the homepage. (Homepage seems to be rolled out to all accounts.) All accounts technically do have an assigned mentor, but the panel is not visible to the other half of the new accounts. However, based on my past testing, "claiming" a mentee (from a mentor's dashboard) makes the panel visible, as I did on my own account. ~~2NumForIce (speak|edits) 15:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Changing pronouns
Hey! I've been editing Wikipedia for four or so years now, but I've been publicly out as a trans guy for three and just realized my pronouns have been wrong in my profile for a long time. I'm having trouble switching them over, though—I've been trying to change them in Preferences but they keep reverting back to feminine pronouns. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks! TariffedSparrow (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TariffedSparrow: Just to be sure, are you pressing Save after changing the pronouns? QuicoleJR (talk) 21:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Try setting it to "unspecified" first and see if that sticks. If it does, set it again how you want. Oh, and as QuicoleJR said, be sure to click the Save button at the bottom. You can't simply simply change them, you must also save them. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuicoleJR@Anachronist I've been hitting save but it's still not working :/ Unspecified doesn't work either TariffedSparrow (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, that's weird. I just tested it and it works fine for me. I'm not sure what the issue is. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Try from a different browser or device, try flushing your browser cache, try it from an incognito window. You may have a cookie that's stuck or a caching issue on your end. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do other settings not save either, or just this one? – 2804:F14:80E4:8401:960:2088:A68A:DF55 (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuicoleJR@Anachronist I've been hitting save but it's still not working :/ Unspecified doesn't work either TariffedSparrow (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TariffedSparrow: This is how it should work:
- Special:Preferences initially has a grey "Save" button at the bottom.
- Click the circle next to "Use masculine terms when possible" and the circle turns blue.
- The Save button is now blue.
- Click the Save button and it turns grey.
- Your new preference is now saved and "Use masculine terms when possible" is already selected when you visit Special:Preferences in the future.
- If it still fails then which part goes wrong? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether they would prevent overwriting local preferences, but you could look at your Global Preferences and check whether you have your pronouns set there. If not, try updating your global preferences and see if it (a) sticks and (b) affects this wiki. Adam Black t • c 00:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TariffedSparrow have you been able to change your pronouns? Adam Black t • c 17:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether they would prevent overwriting local preferences, but you could look at your Global Preferences and check whether you have your pronouns set there. If not, try updating your global preferences and see if it (a) sticks and (b) affects this wiki. Adam Black t • c 00:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
The use of euphemisms and weasel words?
I have a question about Wikipedia style policies on the use of euphemism and weasel words, in particular as used in article titles. Eg. is it inappropriate to use the "unrest" as a euphemism for "riots". Do such style policies exist? Can someone point me to them?
Is Wikipedia:Teahouse to ask this sort of question? RealLRLee (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- See MOS:WEASEL. As for whether 'unrest' rather than 'riot' is appropriate in a title, it would depend on the context, and on how appropriate sources described the event in question. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:EUPHEMISM, if the event meets the definition of riot then "riot" is preferred over "unrest". Do I have that right? RealLRLee (talk) 20:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No. The common name is generally preferred over others. Also the definition of something is often not so important to us directly anyway. We generally go by what reliable secondary sources say rather than editor interpretations of whether something meets some definition. Reliable secondary sources will normally rely on definitions but it's not something we're independently deciding. Nil Einne (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Would you please reference the applicable Wikipedia policy that supports your claim that WP:EUPHEMISM is to be ignored is selecting multiple possible common names? RealLRLee (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:COMMONNAME. Note that WP:COMMONNAME is policy whereas WP:EUPHEMISM is a guideline. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Would you please reference the applicable Wikipedia policy that supports your claim that WP:EUPHEMISM is to be ignored is selecting multiple possible common names? RealLRLee (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- No. The common name is generally preferred over others. Also the definition of something is often not so important to us directly anyway. We generally go by what reliable secondary sources say rather than editor interpretations of whether something meets some definition. Reliable secondary sources will normally rely on definitions but it's not something we're independently deciding. Nil Einne (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:EUPHEMISM, if the event meets the definition of riot then "riot" is preferred over "unrest". Do I have that right? RealLRLee (talk) 20:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
How can I join a WikiProject
I am very excited as a new editor on Wikipedia and it has given a me new sense of purpose and a unique experience. I want to share my knowledge and information with others as a way of promoting learning. So as a matter of fact, there are numerous articles that are inadequate and lacks important information, which is absolutely unacceptable, that’s why I joined to make sure that none of them be left to obscurity. It would be helpful if I can find others to share my concerns and opinions regarding this issue, I am currently looking for a project to join and seems to have a slight problem. Can anyone help me out with this error? Davecorbray (talk) 02:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Davecorbray and welcome to the Teahouse. You can join any WikiProject, no limit to how many, by putting your name in the participants list of the WikiProject. If you also want, you can display that you are in the WikiProject by using userboxes! Thank you, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Choess, what's the best page for finding editors interested in UK parliamentary history? Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government, Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, something else?
- @Davecorbray, getting started with a smaller group ("WikiProject" is our jargon for a voluntary group of editors) can be a little daunting some times. If there's not much conversation for you to join in, then you might need to start one yourself, to find out if anyone's watching that page. You can post a note on the group's talk page with any questions you have, or just to say hello and tell people what's interesting you right now. It may take a bit to get a response, but mostly people are friendly. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Davecorbray: I would probably recommend Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom as a starting point, although more of the conversations there are on contemporary politics. A lot of the articles you're looking at probably started out with the text of a short biography (say, from the old Dictionary of National Biography) rather haphazardly expanded as each editor dropped in a few facts of interest with a citation, so they tend to look rather unbalanced. I appreciate the wealth of academic sources you're introducing here. Choess (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you I appreciate your support. Davecorbray (talk) 10:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Davecorbray: I would probably recommend Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom as a starting point, although more of the conversations there are on contemporary politics. A lot of the articles you're looking at probably started out with the text of a short biography (say, from the old Dictionary of National Biography) rather haphazardly expanded as each editor dropped in a few facts of interest with a citation, so they tend to look rather unbalanced. I appreciate the wealth of academic sources you're introducing here. Choess (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Unable to resubmit
I am getting an error @Theroadislongwhen trhying to resubmit this with the requested changes. Any tips?
I am getting this error message: No stashed content found for (followed by a nonsensical arrangement of letters and dashes and numbers) Saraalutz (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Previous people who helped with this error said that it might be caused by having the edit page open for a very long time before publishing the changes, that you might need to copy your changes (if they aren't lost), click edit again, paste your changes and then try again. – 2804:F14:80E4:8401:DCFE:5436:C21:470C (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can only suggest you try again, your draft Draft:Debbie Matthews is VERY poorly sourced and will not be acceptable without better referencing. Theroadislong (talk) 06:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- in what way is the draft poorly sourced? can you be more specific please Saraalutz (talk) 06:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the draft cites no sources at all. Where did you get all that infomation from? Only the list of "Media Appearances:" cites sources. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Saraalutz The first 30+ paragraphs are totally unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 07:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz I believe you may have an undeclared 'conflict of interest' in writing about Debbie Matthews. Please follow the instructions and declare any connection you have with her on your userpage. See WP:COI for how to do this. If you are being paid in any way, you are obliged to declare who is paying you. Again, please read and follow WP:PAID to ensure you remain within our policy requirements whilst editing.
- I am concerned that the large number of images you have uploaded to Commons suggests you have direct personal access to photographs collated by Debbie Matthews, and that you do not understand the way Wikimedia Commons works. I would point out that even if Debbie Matthews holds those photos, she will not own the copyright to many of them - especially those taken whilst she was racing on her bike and not holding the camera! Unless you were the photographer, yourself, you will not have the legal right to release another person's photos under a Creative Commons licence for anyone else to use. Equally, whilst we encourage you to cite news stories from newspapers in which she is mentioned, you may not upload photos of newspaper pages to Commons as they remain copyright of the newspaper publisher. You do not have the rights to release them, either. Do not be surprised if many of these photos are marked for future deletion. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Saraalutz, there is no way under the sun that such a poorly referenced draft can be accepted into the encyclopedia. You have provided no way for readers to verify that many, many claims in your draft are true. Please be aware that Verifiability is a core content policy, as is No original research which is also applicable. Cullen328 (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I declared my COI in my userpage. Where else do I need to declare it? Saraalutz (talk) 07:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz I strongly recommend that you read Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward. Shantavira|feed me 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can you review it again and tell me what *specifically* the draft: Debbie Matthews still needs? @Grabup Saraalutz (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz: Replied to my talk page. GrabUp - Talk 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- You have some neck charging for your poor editing! You are being paid by the subject to write this, do your client a favour and learn how Wikipedia actually works before submitting this again. Theroadislong (talk) 07:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- It costs nothing to be kind. Try it sometime. @Theroadislong Saraalutz (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz are you being paid for this or not? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz has declared on their user page that they are being paid, my kindness extends to editing for up to 8 hours a day to help the encyclopaedia for free. I hate seeing people being taken advantage of by poor quality paid editing. Theroadislong (talk) 05:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz are you being paid for this or not? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- It costs nothing to be kind. Try it sometime. @Theroadislong Saraalutz (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- You have some neck charging for your poor editing! You are being paid by the subject to write this, do your client a favour and learn how Wikipedia actually works before submitting this again. Theroadislong (talk) 07:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Saraalutz: Replied to my talk page. GrabUp - Talk 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can you review it again and tell me what *specifically* the draft: Debbie Matthews still needs? @Grabup Saraalutz (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the draft cites no sources at all. Where did you get all that infomation from? Only the list of "Media Appearances:" cites sources. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- in what way is the draft poorly sourced? can you be more specific please Saraalutz (talk) 06:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can only suggest you try again, your draft Draft:Debbie Matthews is VERY poorly sourced and will not be acceptable without better referencing. Theroadislong (talk) 06:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
"We need secondary sources not primary sources"
For the draft Draft:Kirchhoff-Clausius's Law. I don't understand, I have cited first secondary sources from Max Planck and others, then at the end primary sources, because primary sources are the origine of the Kirchhoff-Clausius Law. Malypaet (talk) 09:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Malypaet Can I comment that our encyclopaedia expects people to write introductory 'lead' paragraphs in Plain English, and should not expect them to dive straight into formulae? Whilst the concepts may be over my head, I would expect you to write an introductory statement something along the lines of "XXXs law is a scientific observation that shows a relationship between xxx, yyyy and zzz. It is defined nowadays as "insert quotation". The law was named after xxx and yyy, who published their initial findings in year x. The law was so-named by Max Planck in year Y. K-C's Law has significance in the field of xxxx" Only then would I expect the scientific explanation and equations that follow.
- I would point out that the translated citation you linked to does not verify that it was named by Planck - only that he refers to it as "Now according to the well-known Kirchoff-Clausius law..." Does that imply he actually named the Law, or was it already well-known and referred to elsewhere? Or are you inferring that he named it thus? A quick word search of Planck's German article did not reveal mention of either Clausius or Kirchhof's names in the text (but I might have missed it). I suspect the topic may well prove to be notable, but I feel your draft needs restructuring to make it understandable, and the sources showing notability more apparent. You note on your talk page that
"Publications on this topic are rare"
, so it may indeed be that it does not require its own article here. But you could at least ensure there is, at least, a reference to their publications in the relevant scientists' biographies. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)- Thanks, I will use your model. For the 1901 German version the search does not work, it is also in chapter II "Nun ist nach dem bekannten Kirchhoff- Clausius 'schen
- Gesetz die von einer schwarzen Flache pro Zeiteinheit in ein
- ...". In their biographies the books that demonstrate the law are cited, but in them it is just a formula demonstrated in one of the many chapters, not named as a law. These are two famous manuscripts listing all their work. Without this law, Max Planck would never have found justification for his law found empirically. Malypaet (talk) 19:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I support what Nick Moyes has said, and would add that the formulae are anyway of little use without an explanation of what c, f, λ etc. represent. Maproom (talk) 06:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Gloucester image renewal
Im a WikiProject Gloucestershire user who lives in the city (by that i mean the ONLY CITY). Im planning on renewing images related to Gloucester if i can get my hands on a camera. Please send thanks if i can! ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 12:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Snipertron12, welcome to the Teahouse. Is there a question you have about using or editing Wikipedia? Are you asking if you can get money from the Wikimedia Foundation to buy a camera? 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Our article on Gloucester has several excellent images and probably doesn't need any more. Unless you can genuinely improve on those images, your contributions are likely to be removed. Shantavira|feed me 13:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- While the main Gloucester article has enough images there are subtopics in Category:Gloucester that are missing images, such as Gloucester Academy. MKFI (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Skimming related articles, I noticed that there's no image for Meadow Park, Gloucester and that Gloucestershire Royal Hospital does not have a particuarly great quality image. I'm sure it would be much appreciated if Snipertron12 created some high quality photos for those. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- While the main Gloucester article has enough images there are subtopics in Category:Gloucester that are missing images, such as Gloucester Academy. MKFI (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Snipertron12 If you mean you want to change some of the pics at for example Gloucester to pics you have taken yourself, see WP:BOLD. There may be discussions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find it at the moment but somewhere on Wikipedia there is a tool that will give you a list of articles flagged with Template:Photo requested that are within your local area. Perhaps someone else can provide a link. Shantavira|feed me 10:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
on more visual editor table jank
this is currently specifically regarding the last entry of the list of gen 3 pokémon (that being deoxys), though it might be useful elsewhere in the future maybe
trying to merge cells with templates (such as the recently-ish created poketype) or adding templates that affect cell colors to already merged cells doesn't seem to work at all on the visual editor
am i missing something, or has that just not been ironed out yet? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations says that VE does not work well with tables and some templates, such as the {{na}} template in use in the table you mention. RudolfRed (talk) 02:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- d*ng, time to learn how tables work in the source editor (or leave it as is, it could be fine-ish) (or copy from rotom a gen later)
- thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Beastie Boys Square
I am curious as to why Beastie Boys Square would be merged with Paul's Boutique when there are hundreds of articles dating back 15 years... Doesn't seem appropriate to merge a destination in NYC to an album when there is justification and a story. VeniceBreeze (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Courtesy link: WP:Articles for deletion/Beastie Boys Square --ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- This feels like inappropriate WP:CANVASSing. Your own take can be kept to the discussion page itself. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Question about comments
Hey Teahouse, I'm wondering if you can add comments when you're editing, not like one of those boxes at the bottom when you're editing which is called an edit summary. Is there some kind of text that you need or some special character before you start typing your 'comment'? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- HI, GoodHue291. If you mean a comment that is visible only to somebody who is editing the page, see WP:COMMENT. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah this is what I was talking about. GoodHue291 (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @GoodHue291: If you need to add an explanatory note for readers, please see H:NOTES. --CiaPan (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- OTOH, if you mean a comment with a request to other editors, like this one: special:diff/1225329855, then the best option is to put it plainly visible at the respective article's Talk page. In that case it would be Talk:Sishui Township. Please see H:TALK for more info. --CiaPan (talk) 20:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Daajing Giids, B.C. Canada
In the first paragraph of the towns description there is an error in its location. It is not located anywhere near Skidegate inlet. They are about 30 Km apart. Try looking up Skidegate inlet on a marine map. Skidegate village, Skidegate lake , and Skidegate inlet are not located anywhere close together. Daajing Giids is located in Bear Skin Bay not Skidegate inlet. Skidegate inlet is located on the west side of Gram island. Can I get some help to fix this please? 209.53.84.49 (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Daajing Giids
- I note that the map in the CGNDB entry for the village does place it on Skidegate Inlet. Deor (talk) 21:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP 209.53.84.49. Have you tried discussing this at Talk:Daajing Giids? Generally, the best place to discuss article content is on its corresponding article talk page because that's typically those most interested and familiar with the subject matter will be best able to respond. Article talk page discussion almost makes it much easier to keep all discussion relevant to the article in one place for archiving and reference purposes. As for
Try looking up Skidegate inlet on a marine map
, generally that's not the best way to approach something like this; it's much more helpful for you yourself to actually provide a link to a reliable source supporting the changes you feel need to be made instead of just saying to to others "look it up". You should also understand that a map is likely to be considered to be a WP:PRIMARY source and this limits how they can be cited as a reference for Wikipedia's purposes. Wikipedia policy doesn't really allow use to interpret such a map ourselves, but we can cite interpretations made by WP:SECONDARY reliable sources about the map and about the location of Daajing Giids. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Rejected Article
Hi Teahouse, my article Wancewot was just rejected because there were not enough reliable sources. The problem with this is that I wrote this article after hearing about the legend on my trip to Poland, and no one else had wrote about it! Other than one or two amateur websites made by locals, there are literally no sources to link to. When I heard this legend, I wanted to share it with everyone else because it is one of the myths the town of Wancerzów is based on, and the legend itself is very intriguing. Do you have any ways that I can get this through review? Blackwell09 (talk) 21:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Blackwell09, welcome to the Teahouse. If it's true that
Other than one or two amateur websites made by locals, there are literally no sources to link to
, then unfortunately there is no way to get this through review. Wikipedia exists to summarize what has already been published in reliable sources, not to be the source publishing something or "getting the word out". It might help to read WP:42. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)- So would you just suggest creating a website to tell others, and encourage them to visit Poland to solidify the sources? Blackwell09 (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Blackwell09 Our advice is that this has, currently, no place on Wikipedia, and that another amateur website, ten other amateur websites, will not make it have a place.
- We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Blackwell09, have you heard of Fandom? That is a collection of wikis on various subjects, and their inclusion criteria are much different from Wikipedia's. There is, specifically, a Myth and Folklore Wiki where you might be able to create an article, and there may be similar wikis on similar subjects over on Fandom; I'd recommend checking those out. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you for all the advice! Yes, I will definitely post to Fandom, thank you for the suggestion! Blackwell09 (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- So would you just suggest creating a website to tell others, and encourage them to visit Poland to solidify the sources? Blackwell09 (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
This stub is almost identical to the content of reference #1, https://www.danceanddance.com/207/Dance_styles_review.php. I can't tell if the Wikipedia article is a copyright violation, or if the danceanddance page is a copy of the Wikipedia article. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, looking at the history, I'm inclined to say that the danceanddance page copied ours, then somebody (seeing our info was unreferenced), Googled the topic and cited the first website that popped up. I'll double check, but I remove the reference (because we don't cite Wikipedia mirrors) and put a message on the talk page. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 01:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
how to create a page
how to create a page 95.92.143.182 (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- How to respond? First, learn how to edit. Once you're proficient at that (and not before), read about creating Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Commons Image Deletion
Hi,
I'll get right into it. About a year and a half ago, I took a rather bad photo of my grandfather, edited it using faceapp to give him a goofy, horrible, hairstyle and then inserted that image into his Wikipedia page. It was only for a joke, I just screenshotted it to send to him then removed it a few minutes later. But then, just earlier today, he texted me that it was somehow still on his Wikipedia page. I looked through the edit history and apparently someone had added clearly joke image back in March. I removed that image once again and replaced it with a better one, but the image still pops up when you search his name on google.
He just wrote a book and I feel horrible since that image is now online because it's in the Wikipedia commons. I'm not the best with tech so I had no idea that everyone would be able to see and upload that image. Can you please help me fix this and get that image off the Wikipedia commons? I submitted a removal request but as I said I'm not great with tech, I don't know if it went through. I also need to make sure it gets deleted. I don't want this to damage his professional career. I already feel horrible. Here is the link to the Wikipedia commons page with the image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Darnton_2022_restaurant.jpg Here is the link to his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Darnton
Please do what you can, I'm in a pretty desperate situation here.
Thanks, Joe JohnDoe887 (talk) 01:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @JohnDoe887 and welcome to the Teahouse. Images uploaded to Commons has to be dealt on commons, we have no say over the other projects. Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons go hand in hand but editors here sometimes don’t edit there. I saw that it was nominated for deletion on Commons so you can wait to see what the solution is over there. I also ask that you do not edit your grandfather’s wikipedia page as this is a conflict of interest in the eyes of the community. Thank you, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thank you I was worried it didn't go through. JohnDoe887 (talk) 01:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Do not have the permissions to move page from Sandbox to Draft Namespace for review
Hello, I have created an article in my sandbox (User:Dr_Abhishek_Yaadav/sandbox) and would like to move it to the Draft namespace as "Draft:Dr Abhishek Yadav" for review. However, I am not autoconfirmed and do not have the permissions to move pages. Could someone please assist me with this move? Thank you! Dr Abhishek Yaadav (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are writing about your self? GrabUp - Talk 06:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dr Abhishek Yaadav, your sandox page has been nominated for speedy deletion. Self-promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I got it, Now, please confirm the below:
- The process I followed: I have written content for artcle. I have created a new account. Clicked on sandbox. Drafted Article. Submitted for review. Its got rejected due to self promoting.
- Please confirm:
- 1. Did I follow the correct process? Or something I missed?
- 2. Can I mention these words in article
- Liver Surgeon in Pune
- Liver Transplant in Pune
- Liver Doctor in Pune
- Liver Surgery Doctor in Pune
- I think it might look like promotional?
- 3. Is there any specific guideline related to account age?
- 4. Or any suggestions to post a bio-graphic article for others. Dr Abhishek Yaadav (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dr Abhishek Yaadav: please read and understand WP:AUTOBIO. TL;DNR = you shouldn't be writing about yourself in the first place. You may want to try LinkedIn etc. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please read the autobiography policy; you really shouldn't be writing about yourself at all. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about their professional qualifications and services they offer. Please use social media to do that. Wikipedia is a place for independent editors to write about topics that they notice receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources and are notable as Wikipedia uses the word. Wikipedia wants to know what others say about a topic, not what it says about itself. 331dot (talk) 07:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dr Abhishek Yaadav: can I also add that registering a new account and submitting the same draft from that does not make it any more acceptable. See also WP:SOCK. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dr Abhishek Yaadav, your sandox page has been nominated for speedy deletion. Self-promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
This account indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Can anyone approve this draft?
There is a draft that I can't resubmit; Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (soundtrack); it looks like it is protected 201.188.149.181 (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it's semi-protected, and for good reason. It didn't merit promotion to article status when Bilorv declined it on 1 April; and since then it has been resubmitted several times by some Chilean IP without improvement. Now you (a Chilean IP) perhaps want somebody to resubmit it yet again without improvement. Which part of the repeated "declined" template, or which comment, do you not understand? -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Block evasion IP yet again. Mike Allen 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is not the point, the thing is that it is protected and it has everything to be approved; such as Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (soundtrack) and Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (soundtrack) 201.188.149.181 (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are not supposed to be editing Wikipedia since your other IPs are blocked. No one is going to take you seriously. That's the point. Mike Allen 22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Manhattan map issue
For some reason, Manhattan locations on the maps are shown in various balkan languages. Is this a bug? Please help! ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Snipertron12: Which map please? The ones I looked at at Manhattan all looked ok. Lectonar (talk) 09:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This one. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This comes in automagically via Openstreetmaps. As the page already has a map for its location in Lower Manhattan, you could ask Epicgenius, who added the OSM link, if it is really necessary to have somewhat redundant maps; other locations do not necessarily have them. Lectonar (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its not just that building, its the entierty of Manhattan. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 11:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Snipertron12:, see Talk:Eldridge Street Synagogue#New detail map of Lower East Side. Epicgenius is aware of the issue and it has been raised at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and Wikipedia:Phabricator. It seems to be a bug which is not easy to fix. TSventon (talk) 13:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its not just that building, its the entierty of Manhattan. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 11:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This comes in automagically via Openstreetmaps. As the page already has a map for its location in Lower Manhattan, you could ask Epicgenius, who added the OSM link, if it is really necessary to have somewhat redundant maps; other locations do not necessarily have them. Lectonar (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This one. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
re-reverting
I tried to re-revert the undo that was done here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_currency_in_the_Middle_East&diff=prev&oldid=1218650667 in the mistaken belief that the IP server was a sockpuppet. But all I got was a page explaining about reverting. I'd be grateful if anybody could help in this regard. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Specialrequestaccount I don't know exactly what has been going on but I see there is a comment on the Talk Page at Talk:British currency in the Middle East by User:JMF, who is a very experienced editor. I suggest you continue his discussion there to come to a consensus as to what should be done next. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- .... see also WT:WikiProject Numismatics#TheCurrencyGuy Sock Edits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Specialrequestaccount: Please first consider carefully what Mike Turnbull has said, but on the specific issue, did you perhaps click on the tag, i.e.
(Tag: Undo)
, instead of clicking undo at the top, i.e.Revision as of 23:59, 12 April 2024 (edit) (undo)
? - The tag, of course, leads to a page describing what an undo is, while the undo at the top takes you to a page for undoing the edit (if there haven't been any other edits afterwards that would conflict with the revert, if there is conflict there will be an error, as is the case with the revision you've linked). – 2804:F14:8085:6201:EC0A:3D07:F537:12EF (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. Meanwhile, I sorted it another way by using the earlier template. But the information which you have given me above should be useful generally for the future. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedians
Who can be considered the greatest wikipedian of all time? And the worst vandal/troll? Calicanto2023 (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Jimmy Wales can be considered to be the greatest Wikipedian of all time. Or one of the editors at the top of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Or someone else. It depends on the considerer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Calicanto2023 Wait... aren't you an alternate account of 14 novembre? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- But then you run into the irony that one of the greatest contributors, in terms of number of contributions, was recently banned indefinitely. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- You can still consider them a great Wikipedian. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Numbers don't tell the whole story. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 15:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The essay WP:BEANS is probably relevant to the question of who was the worst vandal/troll. TSventon (talk) 15:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Numbers don't tell the whole story. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 15:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- You can still consider them a great Wikipedian. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- But then you run into the irony that one of the greatest contributors, in terms of number of contributions, was recently banned indefinitely. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
How to stop a person called CNMall 41 in simply changing and deleting list of programs broadcast by Asianet page for stupid reasons
Hi, I am Manisha Asianet who had been editing list of programs broadcast by Asianet since few weeks, I have been adding relevant sources, along with the programs that were been telecasted on Asianet as I have watched the shows since 2001-2002 period, but a user called CNMall 41 is unwantedly deleting my content as well as many other persons content on Asianet list that too the program that is been telecasted currently on the channel, cant understand whats wrong with him, he even claiming that I am getting money for publishing content as per Asianet's wish it seems by giving me a warning this matter for no reason. What to do Manisha asianet c (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Manisha asianet c: Welcome to the Teahouse. Rather than continue to edit war over the article in conjunction with an IP editor, you're better off making edit requests on the article's talk page, as you have confirmed a conflict of interest in this comment of yours, suggesting that you're doing it for promotional reasons (
[...] which I felt necessary to add to the list as Wikipedia has a wider reach
). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
My mother was a creator. I am a professional writer about creators. Can I create a page about her?
Charleen Kinser Designs is a company that my mother, Charleen Kinser, ran from 1977 to 2002. She passed away in 2008. I am a professional writer about creators. I would like to create a page about her and her creative work (I have the archives and am the only surviving family member) but have read that one should not create a page about a family member because of COI. In this case, I am the one most qualified to write about her. See my website for proof of my professional status in this industry. Maggiehohle (talk) 17:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Maggiehohle It is not forbidden for editors with a COI to write draft articles for consideration by experienced reviewers. The process is described at WP:AfC. You should declare the COI and note that one of the things that Wikipedia is not, is a memorial site. You would benefit from reading this guidance and note that we have many technical requirements for the way we do citations. All this means that, despite your credentials, you may want to practice by editing existing articles before you take on the larger task of creating a wholly new one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Maggiehohle Welcome to the Teahouse. My mother was also an artist and book illustrator, working mostly for The Bodley Head in the 1950s-70s. Like you, I am most qualified to write about my own mother, and I definitely think she was 'notable'. In my life, at least!
- However, nobody else unconnected with her has every written and published a detailed, in-depth account about her life and her work (including her work in a wartime office drawing undercarriages of Lancaster Bombers). For that very simple reason, she fails Wikipedia's Noptability Criteria and so there can never be a page here about her.
- So, my question to you is to ask if other independent sources have ever published detailed, in-depth biographical articles about your mother and her work? If so, then maybe she might be seen as notable by Wikipedia's criteria. If not, then she, too, would not merit an article here, irrespective of how wonderful her work may have been.
- We do try to discourage people from writing about people they know or are related too, as they tend not to be objectively written, and are rarely based solely on published sources. I might therefore try to encourage you to contribute your skills in writing and research to improving other areas of Wikipedia that you are not directly connected with. This does tend to lead to better-written, neutral articles. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Nick. Thank you so much for your reply. This is helpful. Biographical articles have been written about Charleen Kinser in State College Magazine (1/91), Teddy Bear and Friends (4/98), with a shorter piece published in Contemporary Doll Magazine (4/93). Do these count? Maggiehohle (talk) 21:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Maggiehohle Is your mother this Charleen Kinser? [1] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that is my mother. Maggiehohle (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
General question about WP:Tea
So, I was looking at the “Other Areas of Wikipedia”, and the description for The Teahouse and the Help Desk seem very similar. Would it be a good idea for a noob/old rusty editor to assume that WP:Tea and WP:HD are roughly similar, with Tea being more reserved for basic questions? The Phase Master 18:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Tea in action - @The Phase Master Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes - they're both very similar, but we do aim to welcome and support new users in particular, and in as friendly a way as possible. We have a less formal design layout here, too. And we do serve Tea to any editor, new or old. Here's one just for you! Of course, questions from anyone are always welcome. (The Help Desk does tend to take attract more technical questions, though.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @The Phase Master Nope! They are absolutely nothing alike. Unlike the Help Desk, the Teahouse serves tea, therefore making us far superior and incomparable to them. Panini! • 🥪 23:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Fastest way to number a list article?
I need to number this list article - List of ethnic groups in Nigeria to be sure it is accurate, but I don't enjoy repetitive tasks so much. I wish there was an AI integration somewhere that can easily get this done for me...that's just a joke. My question is: what is the fastest way to number a list article such as this? HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @HandsomeBoy: It looks like you can use {{Row numbers}} for this. See that template's page for examples on how to use it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- HandsomeBoy How will numbering help the reader or otherwise benefit the list? (And is a single page in a news website an adequate source for the use that's made of it here?) -- Hoary (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Same but different
I need a list that is the same as this one but that has no logos instead of including logos. I would like to work on adding company logos/emblems to any article for a company that is currently lacking them, but I don't know a good way to create that list and then sort through it. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- "the same as this one": the same as which one? And are you looking for a list format (to which you'll add items), or for a ready-made list of items? -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ready made list. Here is the link that I forgot to include with my question: Category:Pages using infobox company with a logo from wikidata Iljhgtn (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pages using infobox company with a logo from wikidata Iljhgtn (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Iljhgtn: We don't appear to have a specific category for company articles lacking logos, but many such articles should be in Category:Wikipedia requested logos, if you want to trawl through that extremely large category. Deor (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will review that category. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- That category is all based on talk page logo requests? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will review that category. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Iljhgtn: We don't appear to have a specific category for company articles lacking logos, but many such articles should be in Category:Wikipedia requested logos, if you want to trawl through that extremely large category. Deor (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pages using infobox company with a logo from wikidata Iljhgtn (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ready made list. Here is the link that I forgot to include with my question: Category:Pages using infobox company with a logo from wikidata Iljhgtn (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
ARBECR restrictions on talk pages
I had a talk page comment outlining four simple edit suggestions for Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war removed with the removing editor citing WP:ARBECR. My understanding of the policy is that non-extended-confirmed editors cannot edit pages related to contentious subjects, but are allowed to make simple edit suggestions on Talk pages provided they are non-disruptive. Am I misunderstanding the policy, or do my edit suggestions go beyond what is allowed (and if so, why)? See the removed request. ExVivoExSitu (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Talk pages should be protected if non EC editors are to be excluded from participation, as is the case for Talk:Israel–Hamas war. Such protection does get rid of drive-by edit requests, but otherwise merely shifts consctructive suggestions to WP:RFPP, which is an additional burden on administrators. I have reverted the removal of your comment, but it is likely the talk page may get protected. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying (and reverting), that makes a lot of sense. There is a lot of page traffic and some of it seems unproductive, so I think you're right. ExVivoExSitu (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have a different perspective. In my view, edit requests from non-extended confirmed editors should be entirely non-controversial, such as asking for typographical errors or obvious grammatical errors to be corrected. I see your requests as deep content discussions of a highly controversial topic. I recommend that you edit productively elsewhere until you meet the 30 day/500 edit standard. Cullen328 (talk) 03:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying (and reverting), that makes a lot of sense. There is a lot of page traffic and some of it seems unproductive, so I think you're right. ExVivoExSitu (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Changing image in infobox for Tiangong Space Station article
Hello. I noticed that the article for the Tiangong space station currently has a simulated image as the main image in the infobox. Since lead images should be representative (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MOS:LEADIMAGE&redirect=no) it seems that it would be better for an actual image to be there instead. There are complete images of the space station from the China Manned Space agency (https://en.cmse.gov.cn/dmt/tj/shenzhou16/) and the disclaimer for media on the CMSA website says that fair use is allowed. I was trying to upload one of the images to replace the current lead image but couldn't figure out how since I'm new to editing Wikipedia and was confused by only text appearing when trying to edit the infobox. I would greatly appreciate help. GoldenOrbWeaver (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, GoldenOrbWeaver. Allowing for "fair use" is not enough. What is required is a robust, legally binding license that explicitly allows for unlimited use by anyone, anywhere, for any purpose at all including commercial uses, with the only restriction being proper attribution. The Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license is the most common license that qualifies, but there are others. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this fall under WP:NFCCP? All detailed images of the Tiangong (including the ones I previously linked) were released by the CMSA so there's no free equivalent, there's no market role being replaced, it seems like it's minimal usage if just one image is used, the photos have been published in various newspapers, it meets Wikipedia guidelines, it would be used in an article, and having an actual photo of the space station seems important to readers' understanding. I apologize if I'm misunderstanding this policy. There seem to be other images published by the CMSA in the article already also. GoldenOrbWeaver (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely the possibility of a free alternative, GoldenOrbWeaver. It could be photographed from Earth with a telescope. It could be photographed from a US spacecraft and works by employees of the US federal government are in the public domain. Appearing in newpapers certainly does not qualify an image to be added to Wikipedia. Far from it. Cullen328 (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here is an article about how amateur astronomers take photos of the International Space Station. Certainly, the same techniques can be used to take photos of the Tiangong Space Station. Cullen328 (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely the possibility of a free alternative, GoldenOrbWeaver. It could be photographed from Earth with a telescope. It could be photographed from a US spacecraft and works by employees of the US federal government are in the public domain. Appearing in newpapers certainly does not qualify an image to be added to Wikipedia. Far from it. Cullen328 (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this fall under WP:NFCCP? All detailed images of the Tiangong (including the ones I previously linked) were released by the CMSA so there's no free equivalent, there's no market role being replaced, it seems like it's minimal usage if just one image is used, the photos have been published in various newspapers, it meets Wikipedia guidelines, it would be used in an article, and having an actual photo of the space station seems important to readers' understanding. I apologize if I'm misunderstanding this policy. There seem to be other images published by the CMSA in the article already also. GoldenOrbWeaver (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Best way to solicit feedback on an article?
Hello,
I am looking for feedback on one of my articles as it remains classified as a start class article and I am not sure what else is needed to get it reassessed to a C. I am looking for the best forum on wikipedia to solicit feedback.
The article is currently live under Big Excursion. I previously incorporated some of the feedback I received here about the title of the article and infobox. I am most concerned with ensuring I have no unsourced claims given the contentious nature of the topic, and while I believe I have done a lot to address that (40 references, many used in multiple places), I am sure there is much more to do when discussing such a topic. Luckily Bulgarians seem much more reasonable about this sort of thing than a lot of other peoples. Pietrus1 (talk) 23:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you are specifically looking to get feedback on an article, the first place I would look is in the talk pages of the WikiProjects relevant to that article, in this case WikiProject Bulgaria. For article assessment (and reassessment), you can ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedia/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment. Reconrabbit 23:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks I asked for feedback and asked for and received a general assessment to know where it is at. Pietrus1 (talk) 01:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pietrus1, here's a paragraph:
- Owing tn the widespread use of the term "Big Excursion", in line with Wikipedia article title guidelines Wikipedia:Article_titles, this article uses the term "Big Excursion" to refer to the ethnic cleansing of Bulgarian Muslims in 1989, but it is capitalized and presented in quotations.
- Other than fleetingly, formulaically and inconspicuously ("see below", etc), Wikipedia articles don't describe themselves. Anyway, readers can see for themselves which term the article uses, and how this term is presented. So please remove the paragraph. (As for the question of "start" versus "C" ranking, the distinctions among "start", "C" and "B" were made decades ago, at which time they were useful; but since that time their utility has pretty much evaporated and these days few editors -- let alone readers -- much care.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I use the WP:RATER script to get an automatic rating of articles I write or improve, which I think is generally useful for stub/ start/ C. TSventon (talk) 01:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will remove that. Pietrus1 (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will have to check it out. Pietrus1 (talk) 01:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bulgaria and the last discussion I saw with a reply was in 2021, so your query there may well not be answered. WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment is obviously more active TSventon (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will have to check it out. Pietrus1 (talk) 01:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
can someone fix this
this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meru_International_School,_Hyderabad looks really really messy and also its too promotional which isn't supposed to be allowed i think. maybe its written by chatgpt or smth. can someone fix it or maybe make it a draft idk how, so an admin can review it to make it nice and neat Freedun (yippity yap) 05:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I just downloaded a code but it says "API error: cantmove" Freedun (yippity yap) 05:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The first six sections cite no sources. I'm not an admin, but I have the power to move it to draft, and am tempted to do so. I wonder if that would be in accordance with policy? Maproom (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- i noticed you made it look proper so thx for that Freedun (yippity yap) 06:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's now at Draft:Meru International School, Hyderabad. This is the second time that an article so titled has been draftified; but what's now the draft was created (or re-created) less than a week ago. -- Hoary (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
What can I do?
? Calciocalcistico (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Calciocalcistico: Can you be a bit more specific? Do you have question about editing Wikipedia? Do you have a question about a particular Wikipedia article? Do you want to know how you can contribute to Wikipedia? Try taking a look at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and Wikipedia:FAQ/Main to see whether the information contained on those pages is helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly thank you so much Calciocalcistico (talk) 11:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Blocked for sockpuppetry. ~~2NumForIce (speak|edits) 15:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Asking for feedback
Hello, I am seeking feedback for my article that I want to publish on wikipedia. It got declined twice and I have put every effort to integrate the provided feedback by the fellow wikipedians. I want to re-submit the artice and I want to make sure this time it won't be declined. Kindly give it a read and provide me with feedback for improvement.
User:Akbarirazia/sandbox Akbarirazia (talk) 12:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- As background, the page that was submitted was Draft:Amu Television so the versions that were rejected are in the history of that page. TSventon (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's notable, and looks promotional in nature. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 14:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I changed the content, could you please review it and be specific on which points look like promotional content.
- Draft:Amu Television
- Thank you! Akbarirazia (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- I have posted this before as well. This is my article Draft:Amu Television, our fellows say it looks promotional. I have changed its content, I am requesting for a review and a specific feedback like which parts I should keep or remove.
- I will really appreciate it 🙏 Akbarirazia (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Akbarirazia The most important problem is notability The draft is about an organisation, so it needs to show that the subject meets the guidance for inclusion of an organisation in Wikipedia, which requires multiple published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary and independent of the subject. There is background about what that means at WP:ORGCRIT. I found three sources in the 25 May version which could contribute to notability, but even they are based on interviews with Amu TV people. I would therefore recommend looking for better sources. Sources do not have to be in English. If you had better sources, then a summary of the sources would sound less promotional.
My thoughts on the sources on 25 May
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Question about date format
Hi, I am wondering why some of the dates are formatted as DD/MM/YY instead of MM/DD/YY GoodHue291 (talk) 12:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @GoodHue291 Because a large part of the world uses dd/mm/yy for dates; take a peek at List of date formats by country. For how Wikipedia deals with this, have a read of WP:DATEOVERVIEW, with MOS:DATEFORMAT for guidance. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @GoodHue291: It depends on the country. There's no universal date format; the MDY format is mostly American, while the DMY format is much more present across the world. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 14:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Where do you see DD/MM/YY? It shouldn't normally be displayed in articles but can be used internally in some places. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I assume they mean they're seeing day month year in prose rather than something like 09/02/19. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- There should be a line at the top of the page with something like
{{Use mdy dates}}
or{{Use dmy dates}}
. You should use that date format to keep it consistent ~~2NumForIce (speak|edits) 15:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I just joined Wikipedia!
It's great to finally be here! HowDoIPicAName (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is made possible by people like you. See more at Help:Getting started Cwater1 (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Sourcing for "Novelizations"
Right now, the novelizations section of Beverly Hills, 90210 is sourced to "thriftbooks", a retail website. This seems less than ideal.
What would the preferred type of reference for this be? Worldcat? Goodreads? The full text at the Internet Archive? A site like Fantastic Fiction? Walsh90210 (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- This might do:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- And btw, @Walsh90210, per WP:COI you shouldn't write about yourself ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
"I'm not a robot" check fail
Hello! I hope you're doing well. Recently, I've encountered two issues while translating on my mobile phone: 1. I'm unable to publish my translations because the "I'm not a robot" test continually prompts me to type the displayed word, even after correctly entering it. 2. I'm unable to continue translations started on my mobile phone when using the desktop website on my PC. The "continue translation" button does not appear; only the "start translation" button is visible, which does not function correctly. Could you please assist me with resolving these issues or recommend someone who could help? Vasconcelos-Giovanni (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think you might be better off posting this to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), which is specifically for technical issues. Someone else here at the Teahouse might be able to help you with this, but the village pump is your best bet for resolving problems like this. Adam Black t • c 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! Thank you for your recommendation, I'll post my issue there. Vasconcelos-Giovanni (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Vasconcelos-Giovanni, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- From your language, and the error you are getting, I am guessing that you are trying to use the Content translation tool. That tool is not available to new editors: I believe that this is because new editors are not likely to understand the difficulties often involved in translating articles from other versions of Wikipedia.
- Please study Help:Translation carefully.
- Many articles in other versions of Wikipedia (and, indeed, many older articles in English Wikipedia) do not cite adequate reliable sources to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Where this is the case, a direct translation will not be accepted into English Wikipedia.
- This means that, unless you first check that the original article does cite adequate sources, a straight translation (whether by machine or human) is not going to be acceptable, and you're better off treating this as creating a new article in En-wiki - see WP:YFA for how to go about doing that. ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! Thank you for your time! I'm trying to translate from English to Portuguese and the Content Translation Tool is available to me, even though I'm new here. Also, the article about the tool states: "this utility is currently suspended for newer editors on the English Wikipedia. This restriction does not impact translating pages from English". The problem is that I was able follow the procedure of translation, but I'm not being able to post the translation. Vasconcelos-Giovanni (talk) 14:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Moving a draft
Hi,
I would like to move the draft of an article (Draft:Kerstin Becker) from the namespace to my userspace (in order to continue working on it later on). How can this be done?
Best, Takeru Watanabe (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Takeru Watanabe. You could move it to your user space (eg User:Takeru Watanabe/Kerstin Becker) but I don't know why you would want to. Draft space is generally a better place for articles being developed; and while anybody could edit it in Draft space (or indeed in your user space) it is unlikely that anybody will do so without discussing it with you first.
- The only possible problem with leaving it in Draft space is that if you do absolutely nothing to it for more than six months, it might get deleted; but if you make even one edit in that time, it will not. ColinFine (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ColinFine. Thank you for your kind answer. Indeed, I wanted to rule out that the draft would be deleted if didn't edit it for a longer period of time. So, I'm now glad about your advice concerning the sixth month time frame.
- May I ask yet another question? If I'm not quite sure about the notability of a person (in my case women writers and poets), might there be anybody willing to help me in that matter and discuss it before I submit the draft for review? Best, Takeru Watanabe (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Takeru Watanabe. As you are interested in women's biographies, you could ask at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red talk page. I see that you have mentioned the project on your user page. TSventon (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, TSventon, thank you, that's a very good idea. I'm going to do that. Best, Takeru Watanabe (talk) 19:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Takeru Watanabe. As you are interested in women's biographies, you could ask at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red talk page. I see that you have mentioned the project on your user page. TSventon (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Article Up for Speedy Deletion
I've completed my first Wikipedia Article, and I just received a message about my article getting deleted due to the subject not being deemed significant or showing any importance of the subject. How do I correct this and contest it? Wikieditormneal (talk) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Wikieditormneal, and welcome to the Teahouse,
- As it says in the notice in Lorraine Whittlesea,
If you created this page and you disagree with the given reason for deletion, you can click the button below and leave a message explaining why you believe it should not be deleted
. - Note that neither discogs nor Apple Music is regarded as a reliable source (and so should rarely or never be cited), so your claim of notability rests solely on the two Baltimore Sun citations. I cannot read these, as they are not available in my area: does each of them meet the triple criterion of reliablility, independence, and substantial coverage of Whittlesea? (see WP:42). ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: page name is Lorraine Whittlesey, currently tagged for WP:A7. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! Thank you for your response. Yes, the articles meet the triple criterion of reliability, independence and substantial coverage of Whittlesey. Wikieditormneal (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- This article has been deleted more that once, and was just moved back to draft. Stop recreating it. Work on the problems in the draft version. Meters (talk) 20:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! Thank you for your response. Yes, the articles meet the triple criterion of reliability, independence and substantial coverage of Whittlesey. Wikieditormneal (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Now at Draft:Lorraine Whittlesey David notMD (talk) 23:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
I am an Experienced Editor of Wikipedia
My major account has been banned by mistake, so I request Extended Confirmed as well as Rollback rights immediately, so I can request Adminship. Moderathore di Wikipidia Italia (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not the proper way to appeal a block. Please see WP:AAB. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have indefinitely blocked this account for block evasion. Cullen328 (talk) 20:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
This User is a paid one
The above mentioned user is a paid editor as he disclose himself but he hasn't done any significant edit so far, how can he be paid for contributing to wiki.
--KEmel49 (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi KEmel49. Whoever this person may be, they aren't being paid by Wikipedia and aren't employed by Wikipedia. They're only required to declare their paid status in accordance with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and they've done this. Wikipedia policy and guidelines doesn't require them to make significant edits or justify why or how much they're being paid. You would need to ask them directly if you're interested in such things, but Wikipedia policy doesn't require that they respond to you if you do. So, unless you feel they're doing something that's not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, you might want to focus on something else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally, an editor declares their paid status on their User page before making edits on a topic they have identified as paid. Which is what User:Seo.cypherms has done. In this instance an article or a draft about Arcade Business College does not yet exist, so the editor appears to be planning to create and then submit a draft. David notMD (talk) 00:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Not essays
A reviewer moved my article back to draft, because, " Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because Wikipedia articles are not academic essays.". Does that mean it needs to be "dumbed down"? Any elaboration appreciated, if known. Fixingthingsguy (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fixingthingsguy, I guess this is about Draft:How the PET bottle became ubiquitous. No, dumbing-down is not the issue. But there's a lot of things wrong with that draft, which would prevent it trom being accepted as a Wikipedia article:
- It's not an article about a subject, it's an essay about how (in your view) something happened. I assume that's what the reviewer meant.
- It uses capitalisation and italics in seemingly random ways: "Polyethylene Terephthalate", "glass", "2-Liter".
- It says "50 years ago" rather than giving a date. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and hopes to exist for at least another 50 years, it's not a newspaper. "Today", likewise.
- The punctuation is chaotic. Some periods are mid-sentence, some sentences have no period. Punctuation should always
followprecede references, notprecedefollow them.
- The last three items will be fairly easy to correct. But while what you've written is not about a notable topic, it has little chance of being accepted. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's very helpful. Fixingthingsguy (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fixingthingsguy: a Wikipedia article should be a summary of what reliable sources have said about a subject, nothing more. It should not present any argumentation or conclusions at all, except possibly summaries of arguments or conclusions presented in one single source. It could summarise (separately) arguments or conclusions from two or more different sources, but should make no attempt to compare or reconcile them. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks . I'm getting a better picture of what I need to do. My grandson is likely never to ask, how did the plastic-like beverage bottle get ubiquitous! But if he was super observant, he might ask, how come all these beverage bottles in the grocery have a weird shape in the bottom. That might be a subject of interest. In which case I would tell him about these super smart people who tossed around various ideas and came up with a petal like base, that ensured the Coke bottle or Pepsi bottle would stand a lot of jostling around from manufacture to the dining table and stand upright at all times. How did they do that, grandad, and I would say, they made a preform that looks like a syringe with the small end closed, and shoved a burst of hot air that made it into a form that ends looking like a beverage bottle. And they received patents for that from the US Patent office. And, oh, by the way, they made trillions of these and now are struggling to find a way to recycle them without becoming a hazard for future generations.
- How does that sound. Thanks in advance for any feedback
- Regards Fixingthingsguy (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fixingthingsguy: a Wikipedia article should be a summary of what reliable sources have said about a subject, nothing more. It should not present any argumentation or conclusions at all, except possibly summaries of arguments or conclusions presented in one single source. It could summarise (separately) arguments or conclusions from two or more different sources, but should make no attempt to compare or reconcile them. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Maproom: On punctuation and reference indices: Really? 126.33.112.247 (talk) 22:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Maproom is mistaken here. Punctuation should always precede references, except in limited circumstances. See MOS:CITEPUNCT. Adam Black t • c 00:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're right. Now corrected. Maproom (talk) 07:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Maproom is mistaken here. Punctuation should always precede references, except in limited circumstances. See MOS:CITEPUNCT. Adam Black t • c 00:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's very helpful. Fixingthingsguy (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
In anser to your question, not good. Articles consist of facts and references, not "telling". And are you aware that Polyethylene terephthalate has a section on bottles? Perhaps you have referenced content that can be added there versus a separate article. David notMD (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
How to revert redirecting mistake
I made a draft article Draft:Kepler-1972 but failed to find any publications on the astronomical object beyond its discovery paper and a few catalogs (thus failing notability criteria), so I tried to move it to my userspace. However, I mistakenly moved the draft to User:Kepler-1972. I reverted the edit so now the draft is restored, but I cannot figure out how to restore the (previously nonexistent) user page to its original state. This might cause some trouble if a new user tries to name themselves Kepler-1972. How can I (or anyone with the required permissions) fix this? I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, and I greatly appreciate your help. AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 03:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AluminiumWithAnI I believe you can tag the page with {{db-u2}} if the user does not exist yet. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice! Tagged as {{db-u2}}. AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 04:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have now successfully moved the contents of the draft to my userspace, and a redirect is left at the original draft page. Which tag should I use to delete the redirect (for when the page needs to be used for another draft of the same topic in the future)? AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 04:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{db-g7}} will work. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Tagged it as such. AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 04:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{db-g7}} will work. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have now successfully moved the contents of the draft to my userspace, and a redirect is left at the original draft page. Which tag should I use to delete the redirect (for when the page needs to be used for another draft of the same topic in the future)? AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 04:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice! Tagged as {{db-u2}}. AluminiumWithAnI (talk) 04:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Leesburg Stockade
We need our true story about only what we seventeen girls of the Lee County Stockade lived, endured and survived because we are the only people who lived, endured and survived this saga in 1963. Please assist me with this much needed endeavor. You may contact me at [redacted]. Please assist me with telling only our true story that no one else lived in 1963. Thank you very much. This true story needs to be told truthfully. 99.110.81.53 (talk) 03:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse. If there are published reliable sources that are secondary and talk about what happened, by all means, contribute to Leesburg Stockade citing them. Wikipedia can't unfortunately take you at your word. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article Shirley Green-Reese cites some relevant sources. Maproom (talk) 08:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leesburg Stockade lists 14 by name, but states that there were more than that, possibly as many as 30 or 33. Your name (and others) can be added to that list if there is a reference to add that has more names. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Americus movement lists 35 by name, but does not include a reference to confirm that list. David notMD (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The content you added to Leesburg Stockade was reverted because the reference you provided was your self-published book (listed at Amazon). Can you find a better source, perhaps a newpaper or magazine published at the time? You also described why there is/was confusion as to how many girls, as there appears to have been the original set - held for a long time - and another set of girls who boycotted the beginning of the school year on behalf of their held classmates, and were detained and added to the group at Leesburg for a few days before all were released. David notMD (talk) 13:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Americus movement lists 35 by name, but does not include a reference to confirm that list. David notMD (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leesburg Stockade lists 14 by name, but states that there were more than that, possibly as many as 30 or 33. Your name (and others) can be added to that list if there is a reference to add that has more names. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
COI question
Where would this person fall under the current guidelines of need to declare a COI:
Someone who, although never having met the subject of an existing or planned Wiki article, is beginning to feel very close and connected to that person, but not yet 100% so? Examples: on the secular level: an increasingly self-declared Swiftie; on the spiritual level, an increasingly self-declared devotee of a guru or saint?
I assume someone 100% self-declared would have an “official” COI, right?
Augnablik (talk) 04:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Augnablik. Great question! Being a fan does not - at least under the guidelines here - mean that you are regarded as a having a conflict of interest. It will make it difficult for you to be neutral, but we do not expect that editors are neutral - just that the articles we produce are. However, if the editor is activly involved with the subject off-wiki, such as actively opposing them or actively supporting them (president of a fan club, writing articles about them for media sources, etc) then it will enter COI territory. - Bilby (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- This particular question I raised is a more internal than external COI issue, @Bilby. The hypothetical editor in the case I described isn't actually doing anything externally but coming to feel ever closer internally to a person who's the subject of an article ... to the point that the subject of the article seems more and more like an old friend or a kindred spirit, perhaps even moving to the point that the editor might feel drawn to defend the subject if it seemed warranted.
- I realize this question might sound "overly molecular" — and obviously hard to use a yardstick to measure — but I'm asking for a reason. Augnablik (talk) 14:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Worried about copyright and image use
On the Bubble canopy article, I would like to add a box for the XB-42 and would like to use a image on the XB-42's article page, that is public domain, but Im not sure if im able to use other peoples uploaded images, I have checked the rules, but im still not sure. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- You can freely use any uploaded images. Pinchedloaf (talk) 04:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 04:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @A-37Dragonfly: Unfortunately, Pinchedloaf gave an incorrect response. There are some images that are not free of copyright and have restrictions on where and how they can be used: see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- If a picture has been labeled public domain, and is a government made photo, is it fine to use even if it wasnt uploaded by you (5th image on XB-42 article), im new to wikipedia and I still dont fully understand the copyright stuff A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, if an image is public domain you can use it for any purpose. Ca talk to me! 13:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- If a picture has been labeled public domain, and is a government made photo, is it fine to use even if it wasnt uploaded by you (5th image on XB-42 article), im new to wikipedia and I still dont fully understand the copyright stuff A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @A-37Dragonfly: Unfortunately, Pinchedloaf gave an incorrect response. There are some images that are not free of copyright and have restrictions on where and how they can be used: see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 04:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- (Im using visual editor) How do I add images? I went to the article, clicked on the box for the gallery, and when I went to add the image, it said "your recent uploads", which i do not have any A-37Dragonfly (talk) 04:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @A-37Dragonfly There is a full tutorial for adding images using the visual editor at this link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The UI is a bit confusing, but you have to search with the file name in the "Search multimedia" bar where it says "your recent uploads".
- For additional info, check out WP:Adding images. Ca talk to me! 13:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Yi Sun (academic)
I have following 4 issues and would like fix them, but do not know how.
The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for academics. (April 2024) |
This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, potentially preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral. (April 2024) |
Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable. (April 2024) |
This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (April 2024) |
Suny8616 (talk) 07:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Suny8616 Welcome to the Teahouse. To ask questions here, please click the blue box at the top of this page. I have started a new section for you. The blue text in those message are links. Rather than have us repeat information here, please click on those links for help with those specific issues. Shantavira|feed me 08:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I removed the academic notability tag, as his holding an endowed chair professorship and AAAS membership qualifies. David notMD (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Help finding a template
Hi!
There's a template I want to use but I forgot how it's called.
Basically if a page doesn't exist on this wiki (enwiki), there's a template that do direct you to a different version of Wikipedia.
Something along the lines of:
The significance of the event led to the creation of 269 life [fr], an animal liberation movement founded in October 2012. [1]
Thanks to anybody who can help me remember this template's name. QuickQuokka [talk • contribs] 08:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuickQuokka: You're looking for {{interlanguage link}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Infoboxes
Howdy! How do you add the map images to infoboxes? Also, the "part of the..." stuff. I want to add them to my articles. Thanks TheBrowniess (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi TheBrowniess,
- Depending on the infobox in question, putting the subject's coordiantes, using
{{coord|display=inline}}
in thecoordinates=
field causes a map to appear. And there are other fields to tweak exactly what map image gets used. "part of the..." is probably a specific template, could you give an example of what you're thinking of here? -- D'n'B-t -- 09:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)- @TheBrowniess: There are numerous different infobox templates with different parameters which should be documented on the template page. Template:Infobox military conflict has a
partof
parameter. There are others but most infobox templates have no such parameter. If they do then it may not always be calledpartof
. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TheBrowniess: There are numerous different infobox templates with different parameters which should be documented on the template page. Template:Infobox military conflict has a
- I assume you mean the "part of" sidebars you can see at for example Reiki. You can hit "Edit source" in an article where you see one you want to use elsewhere and copypaste the relevant code. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Question: who has Rocky the sock ape?
By Mandi Ahonen Mandi Ahonen (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mandi Ahonen Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? That's what we are here for. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
I would like to sign up
But I dont want to pay. Is that possible? 78.211.96.154 (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Everything here is free. What would you like to sign up for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- To create an Article 78.211.96.154 (talk) 12:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- IP editor, if you mean you want to create an account for yourself on Wikipedia, click on Wikipedia:Sign up and follow the instructions. No payment is required. TSventon (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I Just Signed Up. 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I want to create an Article!!! 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please Answe!!! 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Creating a Wikipedia article is very difficult, but your first task is to read WP:YFA. Shantavira|feed me 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- OK!!!! Thanks. 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Creating a Wikipedia article is very difficult, but your first task is to read WP:YFA. Shantavira|feed me 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please Answe!!! 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I want to create an Article!!! 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I Just Signed Up. 1934 1938 1982 2006 Italia (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- IP editor, if you mean you want to create an account for yourself on Wikipedia, click on Wikipedia:Sign up and follow the instructions. No payment is required. TSventon (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- To create an Article 78.211.96.154 (talk) 12:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
You have had an account for less than an hour, and have taken actions that have been reverted and Speedy deleted. While there is no "Manager", as in "I'll complain to the Manager!!", there are Administrators who are already aware of your actions and have the authority to indefinitely block your account. David notMD (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- And now indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Improving representation from the Global South is tricky
Every minor English indie band has copious notes online but unfortunately that's not the case for profound writers from the Global South. I'd hoped to add more about South Africa literature but I don't think that's going to happen - too many sources aren't up to Global North standards. I understand why Wikipedia has to be strict about references but I wish there was more understanding of the conditions others are working under. Atinyfrog (talk) 13:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Atinyfrog We have quite a lot of people in the Category:South African writers and you could check out some of these for the type of sources used. They don't have to be in English, provided they are reliable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Citing magazine scans
Hello! I'm a new editor, currently going through the list of articles with bare URL sources to try and fix them. A few times I've come across PDFs or JPGs, etc that are scans of magazines that include reviews of games, such as ST Format's review on this game. Is it appropriate to use these even when they are not "officially" online from the original publisher? --Beanut H Butter (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Provide a free photo
Hello, I have a photo I took under Charles Bridge showing (not very clearly but unmistakenly) a Freemason compass. I looked online and someone was selling a similar photo (wth). Can I give it to wikipedia for free? 107.143.76.152 (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I created an account ^ this is me. Eotf537 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Eotf537. You can absolutely can, thank you. You may upload it to Wikimedia Commons (you should be able to log in to Commons using the same account as on Wikipedia) using their Upload Wizard which will ask you a bunch of questions guiding you to select an appropriate free licence. If you were taking a photo of a public artwork then Freedom of Panorama laws might apply but I shouldn't think they would with a logo on a bridge. (by the way, are we talking about the Charles Bridge in Prague or a different one?) -- D'n'B-t -- 14:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
MediaWiki version
Does anyone know the version of MediaWiki that is powering Wikipedia right now? Is it the latest version or what? Just wondering because I read somewhere that Fandom uses an older version. Bzik2324 (talk) 14:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Bzik2324! The special page Special:Version will tell you the answer to this, along with a lot of other information about the software behind Wikipedia. As of this writing, it tells me Wikipedia's running MediaWiki 1.43.0-wmf.6. --bjh21 (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)