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The Bornean tiger: Panthera tigris sondaica / borneensis?

If Douchan Gersi and the natives of Borneo are to be believed, then there is (or was) one population or subspecies of tigers which the Cat Specialist Group have not taken into consideration, that is the Bornean tiger. Since the island of Borneo is the largest of the Sunda Islands, this is geographically a Sunda Island tiger (like its Sumatran, Balinese and Javan relatives, which the CSG grouped under the trinomial nomenclature Panthera tigris sondaica in 2017), so I wonder what will happen to the species' taxonomy, should a wild tiger ever be found in Borneo, which is genetically different from the Sumatran, Javan and Balinese tigers? Leo1pard (talk) 05:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC); edited 07:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since the Bornean tiger page is linked and provides lots of details, it is not necessary to replicate this content here. I therefore shortened the respective paragraph. – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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59.91.75.10 (talk) 06:12, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi team. I want to Change the link of single Content. Want to point on original website.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 06:38, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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May I please check your grammar? Because it might have some mistakes and I would love to correct them I have excellent grammar and punctuation. I've written a tremendous essay and if people came to read this they might find some errors on this Topic about Tigers, plus people might wonder what that word could mean and waste their time this is my suggestion for me to rewrite it to make it better, nicer, cleaner topic and I hope you let me this is my plea to rewrite some of this topic.

Yours Sincerely, Abu Bakr Bah Abu Bakr Bah (talk) 11:15, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Abu Bakr Bah, this article is semi-protected which means a very small level of prior contribution is needed to edit it. In the meantime, you can note specific changes here which can be acted on. Best, CMD (talk) 11:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FA

I'll be working this one soon. Anybody want to join me? LittleJerry (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is far from meeting the FA criteria, but I can assist with the section on cultural depictions. 20 upper (talk) 12:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LittleJerry and 20 upper: The article also doesn't mention social grooming behavior in tigers. The article included two illustrations, but they were recently removed. Jarble (talk) 14:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I plan on changing/rewritting the culture section into a smaller subsection and moving the information currently there to a new article "Cultural depictions of tigers". LittleJerry (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest merging Tigers in Chinese culture and Tigers in Korean culture into Cultural depictions of tigers. Overall, I don't think this article is too badly off, but there is definitely room for improvement. There are three fossil subspecies not mentioned at all, and there's the elephant in the room of the number of subspecies- the IUCN says two, but the majority of recent papers I've seen go with nine. I'm not sure there needs to be a separate subsection just for size, and there's a bit too much on the color variations given each has their own (admittedly poor) article. I'd prefer more of the Description section to talk about other parts of the animal than just the size and color/pattern. Conservation section's a mess.

Sorry for the list of critiques, but I hope it helps. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My plan is to comb through each section and subsection, making sure the text accurately reflect the sources and making changes, trims and rewrites along the way. Don't have the energy to rewrite from scratch like I did with polar bear. LittleJerry (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The tiger has a pretty typical felid build. The most distinctive things are its size and coloration. LittleJerry (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BhagyaMani? LittleJerry (talk) 18:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your initial question, but thought that somebody else may want to press forward. But since you invite me directly : I'm on board. You and I are anyway the 2 main contributors. I agree to check the sections before nominating this for FA. – BhagyaMani (talk) 10:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SilverTiger12 what other papers support the six subspecies? Also, BhagyaMani do you have information on the three fossil subspecies?LittleJerry (talk) 17:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't have anything offline on these 3 fossil ones. – BhagyaMani (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This paper looks good. Artem.G (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paper already cited. LittleJerry (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't keep up with tiger research, but when I search "tiger subspecies" of Google Scholar I get a lot of papers that refer to nine subspecies. The 3 fossil subspecies are pretty obscure, alas.

I am considering opening discussion regarding the number of supporting articles: namely black tiger, life cycle of the tiger, tiger hunting, tiger conservation, and tiger attack, all of which I feel are unnecessary splits. Black tiger is mostly an exhaustive listing of sightings; the rest seem over-detailed.

Also, pinging @Chiswick Chap: who was part of the long-ago GAN. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiger conservation is definitely notable enough to be its own article. LittleJerry (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BhagyaMani could you add information on the territory sizes from different areas cited to peer-reviewed arrticle like you did for red panda? LittleJerry (talk) 15:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BhagyaMani, nice job. Could you work on the conservation section? Thank you. LittleJerry (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite ready yet, but will add some info on home range in Sumatra + India in the next few days, so that at least the main range countries are covered. Will also make a new map asap. – BhagyaMani (talk) 22:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SilverTiger12, why did you redirect Panthera tigris tigris to this article? Why not also Panthera tigris sondaica? LittleJerry (talk) 05:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A) To redirect it to a place where the subspecies question is actually explained. B) I got called away from the computer and then forgot. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BhagyaMani, going forward, you work on Conservation and Body Part Use (or maybe you'll replace the latter with "Threats"?). I'll look at the rest. I definitely want to rewrite the culture section. LittleJerry (talk) 17:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SilverTiger12, given several recent genetic studies, I think each subspecies article should atleast introduce them as "subspecies or population". LittleJerry (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bornean and Palawanese tigers

A Dayak man in Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) in traditional attire. Note the stripes!

It is scientifically proven that tigers existed in the Sunda Islands of Borneo and Palawan, at least in prehistoric times. The real question is whether or not the Bornean tiger survived into the modern age! One evidence for this is the fact that indigenous Borneans are familiar with the tiger! If the Bornean tiger had gone extinct in prehistoric times, like cave lions and saber-toothed cats, then it wouldn't make sense that Bornean natives would still be familiar with it! Leo1pard (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2024 (UTC); edited 07:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which English dialect is preferred?

In the Lion article, British English is preferred over other English dialects. Does this article have a similar requirement? Jarble (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Does it really matter? I thought that users could write in whatever dialect of English they wanted. Leo1pard (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC); edited 15:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is UK English, since that is what India uses. LittleJerry (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Black tiger into Tiger

The current black tiger article is mostly a list of sightings and supposed sightings of black or mostly black tigers; there is exactly one scholarly source present. There is no evidence for the notability of "black tigers" as a group, so I suggest that discussion of them can be condensed into a single paragraph under Tiger#Colour variations. SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this. But I don't think we should move the "sightings" reports to this article. If there are more scientific papers on black tigers then sure. LittleJerry (talk) 14:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry but not right now 2603:6081:240:CA:E0F3:9506:DFDB:B763 (talk) 16:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would count an article by RI Pocock in the Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society as a scholarly article. I've complete the citation with a link to BHL. There are several other JBNHS citations which could be valid if we can trace them properly. — Jts1882 | talk 17:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that these are very small sources; the one by Pocock has only two paragraphs about reported black tigers, for instance. SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to NOT moving all the many details from newspapers + websites in this page here. But maybe the ref to Pocock's article + one on the 'black' tigers in Simlipal NP, which I have in my library. — BhagyaMani (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I figured only a very small amount of information on black tigers would survive the merge- certainly not the exhaustive, non-encyclopedic list of sightings and births. SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Facts about their stripes and their smell of urine.

Tigers has got also their stripes on their skin and not only on their fur. https://wwf.org.au/blogs/10-facts-about-tigers-you-might-not-have-known/

Their urine smells like buttered popcorn. https://featuredcreature.com/10-of-the-most-interesting-and-unusual-tiger-facts/

I wonder of these sources are reliable enough. Shy Aroace (talk) 12:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiger weight

@LittleJerry: just a quick note. Siberian tigers don't weigh 306 kg; not even the largest ones. According to my own experience, male Siberians average 174 kg and females 113 kg, with both sexes having a maximum weight of 200 kg and 140 kg, respectively. The only Siberians that are likely to reach such weights are captive animals; I believe this table does not include weights from captive animals. The table should show the normal weight range of the tiger, and a 300 kg individual is not normal. Historically, yes, Siberians were the largest, but not anymore; the Bengal is now the largest big cat on average. Take my word for it. 20 upper (talk) 18:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need sources on that. LittleJerry (talk) 19:12, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See page 21 of [1] and this pdf. 20 upper (talk) 20:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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122.104.180.107 (talk) 05:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
A tigers diet consists of boar deer ect . Yo Zara is crazy good[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]