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September 27

Completed article, but does not appear when searched for...

Have been working on article since August and responding to requests for various changes. Recently checked for article after last requested change, but it doesn't appear to be anywhere. I've used the search engine but still cannot located document. The document is entitled "The National Association of Real Estate Brokers". Please help regarding the status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flossie Bell (talk • contribs) 01:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Your article is at User:Flossie Bell/National association of real estate brokers. Suggestion: remove peacock words to make it less promotional. Protector of Wiki (talk) 01:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

In the future you can click on "my contributions" which is a link at the very top of any page you are and thus access your editing history, which will show all edits you've made at Wikipedia that are not deleted or hidden.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you ready to have this draft moved out of the sandbox and into article space? I could do it for you. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Redirecting to correct page

When you reference a person or word with multiple meanings or are attempting to redirect to a specific person, how do you do so? Example would be Robert Taylor (actor). There are numerous Robert Taylors in different occupations. I see behind the name there appears (actor) for example but how do you incorporate that into your edit so when the highlighted name is clicked on it goes to the correct page? Thanks.

Digby scallops (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC).

Use a piped link. [[Robert Taylor (actor)|Robert Taylor]] renders as Robert Taylor. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Betty Davis drawing by Betty Davis of herself

I have what I believe to be a pencil drawing of Betty Davis signed by Betty Davis I picked up at an estate sale where kids were selling "grandma's junk". Who would I contact to get validation and value? <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.45.237.128 (talk) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Orange Mike | Talk 04:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your email address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Alexandra_Powers photo needed

1. I think for article of little known actress Alexandra_Powers a photo is needed. IMDB has one that could be used for the article. Here's the link: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3291650048/nm0694490 2. Also, a photo is needed for Julie_Kavner who is the voice of Marge_Simpson. IMDB has a one at this link:http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1859230464/nm0001413 Please let me know about those 2 articles for needing photos. Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no reason to believe that those photos are in the public domain. Since the subjects are alive, we cannot use these photos without violating copyrights. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but they can't be used. Take a look at WP:FAIRUSE. That will give you more than you ever wanted about photo use here. I'll use the first one as an example. It states right below the photo that the copyright to the image is held by New Line Cinema. They own the photo. In order for Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia, to use the photo, it must be released under a free license. Something like Creative Commons or Public Domain would be best. Additionally, that is not a picture of Alexandra Powers. That is a picture of a character played by A.P. That adds a layer of complexity to it since someone owns the rights to the film and the character. If it were as easy as just going to IMDb and grabbing any photo, most of the actor/actress articles would have more than enough images. Dismas|^(talk) 04:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Info box

Hi. I recently edited the NRBQ entry, but I can't get the 'members' to show up in the info box. i checked the code and it looks fine. Any ideas?

Thanx.Dubiousraves (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed it! Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I know the infobox needs 'Current_Members', not just 'members.' Dubiousraves (talk) 09:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The template documentation transcluded on Template:Infobox musical artist has more detail than you will ever want to know about formatting and use of that infobox! – ukexpat (talk) 17:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

German shepherd

is it ok to buy a germanshepherd 6 months old —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.49.96 (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Renaming a Page/Article

I would like to rename the page/article Esmee Fairbairn Charitable Trust to Esmee Fairbairn Foundaiton. I have followed your instructions on how to do this but don't seem to be able to actualy make a change and require an autoconfirmed user to do so. Please advise me as to how to get the name changed.

Thanks

08:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.173.144.61 (talk)

Even if you were autoconfirmed, you couldn't perform this move. Esmée Fairbairn Foundation is currently a redirect to Esmée Fairbairn Charitable Trust, so the only way the move can be done is if the redirect is first deleted; this requires an administrator. I've made a request for admin assistance at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_requests.

Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 09:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Thanks Jafeluv. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 10:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Flow or layout jumbled after article edit

Resolved

 – by that font of html wisdom, Dismas. Thanks!  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello to all you dedicated helpful types! Would someone who knows about how the automatic "flow" of text around non-text elements works have a look here, please? I can't figure out how to keep the section heading from appearing in the center of the page, presumably because of the size of the photo at right (?). I don't know if users of other browsers will see the same thing, so I'll mention that I'm using Firefox. Any help/tweaking greatly appreciated. Thanks!  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Dismas|^(talk) 09:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Dismas. Where would someone learn something like that? ( <br clear=all> ) It's not just html, is it?  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

It is HTML. I don't know of a wiki-markup way of achieving the same effect. I don't recall where I saw it first used here. It comes in incredibly handy though. For instance, see List of Playboy Playmates of 2010. (I do a lot of work on those articles, so they come to mind) If not for the <br clear=all>, then the infoboxes would intrude on the subsequent entry. Dismas|^(talk) 09:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, then. I really need to learn HTML. I'm only what, about 15 years behind the times with that? ;-) I'd forgotten one can google strings besides just plain text/words, and I googled that tag a moment ago. Will read up. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the title of this article be Linda McMahon's U.S. Senate campaign, 2010 or Linda McMahon's 2010 U.S. Senate campaign, or have we given up on correct grammar in article titles? – ukexpat (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Birthday Alert/ List

Hi,

I want to create a list of famous designer's birthdays throughout the year. Can I set up some kind of alert to do this, or can I ceate one long list?

Thanks

Victoria —Preceding unsigned comment added by STYLE NV (talk • contribs) 10:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

If you're planning to extract information from Wikipedia for use elsewhere, that should be fine provided you comply with the conditions described here. I'm not sure that such a list would be suitable as an encyclopedia page within Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:52, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

No I'm not planning to create a list for wikipedia, just a list for my own use. How would I extract such a list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by STYLE NV (talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

There might be a way to do it with the arcane techniques under WP:EIW#Query. However, that might be difficult for non-programmers to figure out. Maybe someday Wikipedia will have Semantic wiki features which will simplify running these types of queries. In the meantime your fastest method is probably to compile your list by hand, by looking up articles about the kind of designers you have in mind. Note that some biographical articles on Wikipedia lack birthday information, as this tidbit can be surprisingly hard to find in reliable published sources for some people who are notable enough for a Wikipedia article, but not so notable that there are already published biographies for them outside of Wikipedia. For example, if you did something notable enough for a few dozen news articles to be written about you, they might not mention your birthday if it wasn't available to the reporters and it wasn't relevant to what they were writing about. --Teratornis (talk) 20:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, this article claims that having one's date and place of birth makes one more vulnerable to identity theft, at least in the US. --Teratornis (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Declan Henry - Irish Author

I have just uploaded a new page for Declan Henry - Irish Author. How can I submit a picture of him to include with his profile? Many thanks for all your help. You a diamond! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleencallaghan (talk • contribs) 10:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I've left some links on your talk page that I hope you'll find useful.

Before doing any more work on this material, you need to establish that the author is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Information in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable by references to reliable sources that are independent of the subject; so far your material only refers to Facebook and to web sites that seem to be closely connected to Declan Henry himself. Has he been written about in books, newspapers, magazines and so on?

If you can find these kinds of sources, I suggest you re-submit your material using the Article Wizard. The copy we have so far is on a page that is not intended for new article content, and I'll be deleting it shortly. Don't worry about that - it's an easy mistake to make when there are so many places to choose from.

Finally, your question about a picture. You'll need to first upload the picture to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, assuming it is not in one of those places already. To upload the picture here, simply go to this page and follow the directions (note that your account must be autoconfirmed, which means that it has made ten edits and been active for four days). To upload the picture to Commons, simply follow the link provided above (they do not have the autoconfirmation requirement). Once you have uploaded the picture, simply list the file name in the article as [[File:Example.jpg]], replacing "Example" with the name of the file and making sure the extensions match. I know it's probably confusing, but post here if you have further questions. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Deleted page

Hi there,

Is it possible to get a delete page restored to my namespace so i can recover some lost information, teh pae was deleted because some ip user added copyright material from amazon i tried to stop it getitng deleted by using hangon but ti sitll got delted i have erstored from old data i have but i do not have all teh up to date informaiton so need to deleted page so i can get that information and remove the copyright violaiton information--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 11:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Unless a passing administrator happens to see this soon, your best bet would be to post at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion -- John of Reading (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

<passing administrator> You mean List of Galactik Football episodes, I assume? It's helpful to give article names rather than make people guess. Looking through the page history, I can see the same copyright problems that caused the article's deletion back in 2007 (!), so there is no way I'm going to restore this, even in userspace. Copyright violations are never restored. The old version didn't have references, so frankly your best bet is to start from scratch and this time add references for the information. Bencherlite^Talk 12:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I just require the airdates for seaosn 1 and 2 and seoasn 3 as this informaiton on teh previous should have had the correct origianl airdates and not the ones that some ip user made, the reaosn i never meantion the article wa si wasnt sure if ti could be done--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I also assume there no way for e to see the old history of the page meaning ic an fetch the data out myself as the airdates aitn available eslewhere as they wher eadded after they aired--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 13:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Replied with the dates in question on your talk page. Bencherlite^Talk 13:49, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Trying to move page to the mainspace

Im trying to move a draft to the mainspace. I looked up how to do so, but the pull down arrow isn't showing on my toolbar, even though I've edited the page more than 10 times. Can someone please assist me so I can move this draft to the mainspace? Thanks.

TCMI —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCMI (talk • contribs) 13:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I think there is a bigger issue here- your article does not indicate why the group is notable enough to warrant an article. This issue needs to be addressed before the article is moved to the mainspace. TNXMan 13:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Copied And Pasted Material From A Copyrighted Source

I was reading your entry for "Marrubium vulgare" (White Horehound) and thought it sounded familiar. In checking, I realized it is mostly a "copy and paste" article taken from "A Modern Herbal" by Maude Grieve @ Botanical.com which is a copyrighted source. In checking the references and credits, I find no reference to this source, which originally dates back to 1931. I also find no indication that it is a copy and paste, which would lead the reader into believing it is an original work. I find this most disturbing and an unethical practice that reflects badly on Wikipedia. How much of the rest of your works are simply plagiarized, copy and paste works of someone else without even so much as a thank you toward the original writer? I used to cite Wikipedia often as a valuable source of information. But now, this calls into question whether or not this is a good idea and whether or not Wikipedia can be trusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.187.208.161 (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and they are deleted by admins when they are identified. I will make an appropriate report to Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations copying the relevant portions of your message above. Final point, you should always be cautious when you "cite Wikipedia often as a valuable source of information". – ukexpat (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The copyrighted text was added by an anonymous IP some time ago. John of Reading has now removed it from the article. Thank you for reporting the problem. Wikipedia makes every effort to deter the addition of copyrighted material to Wikipedia, and to identify and remove any such material promptly if added. You can report suspected violations directly yourself, via Ukexpat's link above, but a report here will also get quick results. Karenjc 18:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Just as a note, I've moved it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2010 September 27 since WP:SCV is populated by bots scanning brand new pages. It'll get looked at either way, but this way ensures a more thorough review. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

box in a box

how do i make a box in a box (a text with a colord background and border, i hope u know what i mean)? i will add an another box in my user page, until i solve this problem. so pls help me.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Like this? Not quite sure I understand your situation though. DMacks (talk) 19:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

thx, but i neednt span, i need div. but thx for ur box! i did it! :D-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

one more question: how to increase boxes, i dont meant the width function, that increases the length only.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Dean Kamen is not dead

You erroneously are saying Dean Kamen died yesterday. It was James Heselden who died. IIf I try to edit it, that part of the article doesn't show, so THAT'S WHY I'M CONTACTING YOU! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Kamen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.9.106 (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know! It looks like a spate of vandals intent on inserting that info. Dean Kamen does not currently list him as deceased and article is edit-protected to stop that nonsense. DMacks (talk) 19:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

This report (and others like it) is the source of the confusion. Kamen sold Segway to Heselden at the end of 2009. – ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ahah! Good find. DMacks (talk) 19:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Canadian Electronic group "Exchange"

Wikipedia has no information on the Popular Canadian New Age Group "exchange" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.175.250 (talk) 19:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

That's true. If they're WP:NOTABLE enough for an article (see WP:BAND in particular), feel free to write one. DMacks (talk) 19:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Please help me make my page live

Hello,

I have a page that I have edited and I'm not sure how to make it live. It's just a factual article about a company that I could not find in Wikipedia. Here is the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JackieVendetti/Fair_Mortgage_Collaborative

Please let me know if it's ok or what I need to do to improve it to make it live and viewable by all.

Thank you so much! Jackie JackieVendetti (talk) 21:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:SYMUD and also WP:CORP. From reading your draft it is not clear to me that the company meets the notability threshold. And you also appear to have a conflict of interest. – ukexpat (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

User page "hosting" issue

Hey. Many months ago I posted a warning on User_talk:Master_of_Puppets/Icons that Wikipedia should not be used as a web host (nor, especially, for a web host with that much content). Am I justified in thinking that this does not belong on Wikipedia? Since it's in user space, this seems to be a grey issue. Should this be taken to the admins? It can't very well be nominated for speedy deletion. Reinderien^{talk/contribs} 21:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I see no harm in that page - many users have pages in their userspace which serve little encyclopaedic purpose, and some of those images are fairly useful. The images are already hosted on Commons, so your point that Wikipedia should not be used as a web host (unless I'm misinterpreting it) is not applicable. The 'Wikipedia is not your web host' guideline applies mostly to promotional content or advocacy and to users who make few edits outside their userspace. This page, even if it technically falls within the scope of that rule, does not qualify in that regard. In the future, please attempt to discuss it with the user on his or her user talk page; I don't think User:Master of Puppets is even aware that you made that comment, if he doesn't watch all of his subpages. As an aside, you might be interested to know (if you do not already) that Master of Puppets is one of "the admins". Intelligentsium 23:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

If MoP does a lot of work with various templates and things, it might be easier for them to keep that page for easy reference instead of having to dig to find the right icon when they need it. Dismas|^(talk) 06:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The place to nominate it would be at Miscellany for Deletion which covers user pages. He is an admin who I would guess has left them there as a reference, as Dismas suggests. As he has not edited since the end of June, I would be surprised if he has seen your message on the page's talk page - and a better place to leave a message would have been at his main talk page User talk:Master of Puppets, although he may not see that either! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

My White House President E-Card Liasion Enrollment to the Territory Governor Liasion

I recieved a White House Letter from our White House President of the 44th President term and am needing to enroll it and am unable to theirfore find the e-mail status to do so if all possible if you can deliver this message to that Liasion individaul it would be much help and my present e-mail address is <email redacted> that you for all asistance aplicable.Sincerely Eddie Billings Jr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.234.64.2 (talk) 22:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. NB: I have removed your email address to deter spammers. Karenjc 23:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Free Newspaper Articles

My company just launched 74,000 pages with free newspaper articles about famous people. For example, there are over 500,000 free articles about Babe Ruth. How do I work with Wikipedia to include this free resource on these 74,000 pages? I don't want to be labelled as spam. http://www.newspaperarchive.com/content/babe_ruth.html for example. Thanks. ChrisChristopherJamesGill (talk) 23:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. – ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

how can i view the arbitrator and checkuser mailing lists?

this is not a productive discussion
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Resolved  – This is in all likelihood not a legitimate request for help; and answers have been provided. Doc9871 (talk) 03:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC) without becoming an arbitrator or a checkuser, i mean. i wuld like to read the things they r talking about, and i believe it should be public knowledge, so please explain where i can read this info.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC) The short answer is: you cannot, nor should you be able to. Arbitrators and CheckUsers handle a lot of sensitive information, and they need to be able to discuss it in private. It is so difficult to become an Arbitrator or checkuser precisely because they handle this kind of information; it would defeat the purpose of having private mailing lists if you could read them. However, the Arbitrators and Checkusers do release some portions of this information, from time to time; enough to fulfil the purpose of having such information. You can read Arbitrators' comments and reports at WP:ARBN and WP:RFAR, and Checkusers' comments at WP:SPI. Intelligentsium 23:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC) ok but i wanted to read the mailing lists but if i am not allowed due to matters of privacy and things like this, i understand, but still i am disappoitned because i really really wanted to read them :-(--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 23:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC) also, wut if they r talking about me behind my back and saying rude things (e.g., Bad edits r dumb is dumb). Don't I have a right to know?--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 23:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC) You mean, what if the Arbitrators and Checkusers are talking about you behind your back and saying rude things about you on their private mailing list? I think you misunderstand how much trust the community must show in a user, for that user to become a Checkuser or Arbitrator. It is several times more difficult than becoming an administrator, perhaps even more so than becoming a bureaucrat. It is exceedingly unlikely that these users would be discussing you behind your back (unless they suspect you of sockpuppetry or an equally serious offence, of course), and even if they are they would not be so coarse as to say you are "dumb" (I realise you are only using this as an example, but still). If someone wanted to make rude comments about you behind your back, they could do it without being an arbitrator or Checkuser. Intelligentsium 01:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC) To even be considered to be added to it, or view the archives you have to be 1.) 18+, 2.) Identified to the WMF, and 3.) a checkuser or part of arbcom, in my understanding. Pilif12p :  Yo  01:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC) Ladies and Gentlemen, I would recommend saving your breath here. "Bad edits r dumb" thinks he's being cute and funny, but he's really just wasting your time for his own amusement. What editor refers to themselves in the third person, as in, "Please do not threaten Bad edits r dumb."? He's perfectly capable of typing normally, and is observed by many to exhibit "trollish" behavior with his comments and refusal to act like a "normal" editor. Don't feed him. Doc9871 (talk) 03:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC) OK I am sorry for ask this very dumb question. I tried to ask in a serios manner, but maybe it sounded too much troll-like and dumb.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 05:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC) Fantastic. Keep fighting vandalism, and be as "irreverent" as you want with your humor: but please don't waste serious editor's responses to questions as absurd as the one you asked. WP is not a joke... Doc9871 (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC) Actually, you have proven via your latest efforts, the high level of experience and competence you show (when you want to), as well as your own issues (which overlap this) concerning your old account, that you are fully aware of all of this, and are thus wasting the HelpDesk's time. ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 05:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC) But i sed i was sorry for my action. i just dont like it when the ArbCom talks abt me behind my back, that's all but maybe i should have kept this concerns to myself.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 05:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

September 28

Hiding feedback box

Howdy all. Is there any way I can hide the feedback boxes? Like the one shown on this page? Perhaps via my skin css?--Rockfang (talk) 00:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You can add div.article-assessment-wrapper { display:none; } to your skinfile. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That worked wonderfully.--Rockfang (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

EN.wikipedia.org Appearance after Log in

Hi!

Before I log on en.wikipedia.org in the page appears in its new design, with the search field on the top right and the rest of the new features, but AFTER I log in it appears in its old design, with the search field on the left.

This happens with Mozilla Firefox 3.6.10, Opera 10.62 and Microsoft Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.18702.

This does NOT happen on de.wikipedia.org, fr.wikipedia.org or ro.wikipedia.org after I log in there.

Why is that so and how can I remedy it?

Thank You very much!

All my best!

The new features must be turned off for you. Consider clicking the "New Features" link next to your username if you want to switch to Vector. The Utahraptor^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions} 00:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Alexandra Powers Photos

A photo of Alexandra Powers is needed on her wikipedia page. Would any of this pictures be acceptable?: http://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=14027 http://www.tvspielfilm.de/stars/star/alexandra-powers,1571496,ApplicationGallery.html?page=5 http://www.flixster.com/actor/alexandra-powers Please let me know if any of these photos are acceptable for her wikipedia page. Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no, they wouldn't. #1 and #3 look like a screen shots of a film and therefore the copyright would be owned by the production company of the film. And #2 is probably a promotional photo from a film or TV series and again would belong to the production company. You might have better luck with getting a photo for the article if you were to write to Powers directly or her manager. You would need to explain that the image would need to be released under a free license. Dismas|^(talk) 03:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Search Flickr for images with the keywords: Alexandra Powers under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa finds nothing promising, unfortunately. Note that very few Wikipedia articles need photos; photos are merely nice to have in most cases. Wikipedia has a common problem with the lack of freely-licensed photographs of celebrities. Often we can only show candid photographs of poor quality, since most of the professional-quality photographs of celebrities will be under copyright. I would like to see copyright law abolished. I'm surprised the political right doesn't embrace this as a core value, as it would shrink the size of government needed to cook up and administer copyright laws. --Teratornis (talk) 08:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Historical building

Am I allowed to create a page for the historical building I live in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluehaus (talk • contribs) 01:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

If the building is notable, and you can find reliable sources, then an article can be written about it.--Rockfang (talk) 04:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Tell us the name of the building so we can give it the Google test (a sufficient but not necessary indication of notability). --Teratornis (talk) 08:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

PROBLEM IN ACCESSING TO THE TAGGED SITE OF ICONS - FRIENDS, MESSAGES

Hello customer service,

Please check the problems -

When I open the email, and click the icons of friends, messages - shows -

Waiting for yahoo.search - sorry, the page you were searching could not be found - and then it shows - click onto the tagged site, login - and then shows - YAHOO! 404 - page not found.

I wish to inform the customer office at the help desk on the tagged site BUT could not even ACCESS TO THEM AND INFORM THEM!

PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW TO CONTACT THE HELP DESK AT THE TAGGED SITE & IT DOES NOT GET INTO THE HELP DESK WHEN CLICK ON IT.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.177.150 (talk) 06:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you found the wrong place. This is the help desk of Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia. You need to find the help desk for the service that is giving you trouble. --Jayron32 06:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool signature trick--how to do it

Hello everyone on the Help Desk. Many years ago, I saw a Wikipedia editor who had a special signature and the signature did not link DIRECTLY to his user page--I think maybe it was a redirect or something that goes to his user page. The point of this is so you could look at the "Wut links here" special feature and it would just show the times that people are talking ABOUT you but it won't include all the times you signed your signature. I am probably not explaining this very well, but I would like to implement this, because I LOVE to know when people are talking about me, but when I click on What links here, it mostly shows when I signed my name on vandals pages when I was warning them. How do I do it, and is it allowed? OK, thx for your help.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 07:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:SIGNATURE, a signature must link to either an editor's user page or talk page. Many signatures link to both. I'm not sure that what you are asking would be allowed. Mjroots (talk) 07:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Is this a guideline or a policy and how strictly is it enforced? Again, this was several years ago but it was a very respected editor who used to do this, but maybe it was before WP:SIGNATURE was written.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:SIGNATURE says at the top:

• "This page documents an English Wikipedia behavioral guideline."

I have no idea how strictly it is enforced. WP:IAR implies you can break any rule on Wikipedia as long as you can convince the rule enforcers you are improving the encyclopedia. (If a rule is a policy, that probably means almost nobody can justify breaking it. If it's a guideline, then maybe a few users can justify breaking it.) How would doing what you want to do improve the encyclopedia? How would adding a nonstandard and potentially confusing (to other users) link to your signature be better than just adding the link to your user page? Any link on your user page is reachable from your signature, with an extra click. Speaking for myself only, I can't imagine why Wikipedia allows users to customize their signatures - it would never have occurred to me to add such a feature, not when there are so many more useful things Wikipedia users can do with their time. --Teratornis (talk) 08:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I may be listed as a guideline, but it is de facto a policy. It is implemented quite strictly when breaches are discovered. The reason for this is that not having any links to a user page or talk page makes communication with that editor that much harder. I agree that there are some ghastly signatures, but as long as they conform with the guideline, I'll defend an editors right to use a custom sig until such time as consensus changes and outlaws them (which'll probably be about the 12th of Never). Mjroots (talk) 08:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

You could probably comply with the guideline by linking to your user-talk page directly, and your userpage via a redirect (which you should place in your own userspace, to avoid cluttering up any other part of the wiki). --ais523 13:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

My comapny would like to be part of Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia representative,

I am writing to you on behalf of my company (TechTeam Global) to ask a basic question.

We would like to be part of your site to facilitate information gathering when users surf on the Internet to retrieve news/info about us.

We are leaders in Service Desk Outsourcing with a global foot-print.

How can I create a page about us?

Should we sak special permissions?

Please let me know

Thank you

Giuseppe Bellia

Marketing Project Manager TechTeam Global —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.54.253 (talk) 12:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to wikipedia. I have left a list of links on your talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3A69.41.54.253 that should help to explain how to get started at Wikipedia. I strongly suggest that you give the areas around Conflict of Interest, Notability and Neutral Point of View particular attention - Being as you are a representative of a company that wants to create an article about that company. Darigan (talk) 12:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Confused

Earlier this month I found a Page that listed all the pages that had notability issues and it was was organized by month the tags were put in place. Does any body know where that is? I want to help with the back log and can't find it The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's one! Dismas|^(talk) 13:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

And the parent cat. Dismas|^(talk) 13:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

thanx!The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

error

hi would like to know how an artical can be changed if it is wrong. well just one part on the artical says out of 6 children one is deceased which is not true all 6 are alive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.42 (talk) 14:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Click the "edit" link on the article and change the text or tell us which article it is and we can edit it. -- kainaw™ 14:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

And make sure you have a reference or two to support your changes. – ukexpat (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Awareness Ribbons

I see that the American Heart Association Ribbon isn't included on he awareness ribbons page list. How can I get it added to the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.214.4.21 (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It appears you mean List of awareness ribbons. Can you link to a page with information and image of the ribbon? I couldn't find it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I could not find Shannon Grove in the deletion log

I put an article up on Shannon Grove, a candidate for California's 18th Senate District. Because she is the only viable candidate, she will be the State Senator come January. My article disappeared. I checked the deletion log and there was nothing. I redid a shorter version of the aricle unde myspace. Why, even though I put my article into the area where you are supposed to put it until it is reviewed, why was I not notified? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda robinett (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The deletion log entry reads:

• 15:10, September 27, 2010 Bearcat (talk | contribs) deleted "Shannon Grove" ‎ (Blatant advertising)

Please read WP:SPAM and WP:POLITICIAN - candidates for office, unless they are otherwise notable, are not notable merely because they are candidates. – ukexpat (talk) 14:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The "article" simply said that she exists and that she is a candidate for this senate seat; then listed her campaign website URL. That is neither assertion nor evidence of any kind of notability. As a biography of a living person, it would have been deleted anyway, since it was unsourced. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You saved it at Shannon Grove which is in the mainspace encyclopedia where real articles are. It was tagged with {{New unreviewed article}} in {{New unreviewed article|source=ArticleWizard|date=September 2010}} but that doesn't prevent deletion of inappropriate articles. You later created User:Linda robinett/Shannon grove which is in your userspace and gives you more freedom to work on drafts. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Create a page about my company

Hi I would like to create a page about my company, an advertising and marketing agency. Do you have directions that you could supply me with so I can create a page? Appreciate any help.

Best,

Marisa Marcus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.238.25.236 (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a complex business and the company may not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, but in any event see WP:YFA, but before that please read WP:FAQO, WP:CORP, WP:SPAM, WP:RS and WP:COI. WikiCompany may be a better outlet for you. – ukexpat (talk) 15:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to explain the acronyms: YFA = Your first article, FAQO = FAQ/Organizations, CORP = Notability (companies and organizations), SPAM = Spam, RS = Identifying reliable sources, and COI = Conflict of interest. -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 00:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Unable to edit Reference List

Computer Appliance Wiki Page. I select Edit Reference section and don't understand what I am looking at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyKok (talk • contribs) 17:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The references are not actually listed in the reference section. Instead, they are listed in the body of the article (where you see the superscript numerals). You'll need to edit the sections where the superscripts appear in order to edit the references. TNXMan 18:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Autoconfirmation

How do I know if my account is Autoconfirmed or not? Is there a way to check it? Sneharaj27 (talk) 18:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, your account will be autoconfirmed in about thirty minutes. It kicks in after four days and ten edits. TNXMan 18:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the account creation is here. Special:Preferences should now show "Member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Users" for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Using an image with full permission of the image's owner

I have attempted four or five times to upload an image for inclusion in an article which I have written and uploaded. All of the information in the article is used with the full permission of the person about whom the article was written. The image comes from this person's website, and again is used with her full permission.

As noted, I have uploaded the image a number of times, each time adding more information in the image's description to indicate that the image is being used with the full cooperation and permission of the subject of the image. However, the image still does not appear on the page. What have I done wrong or neglected to do?

The page is Raquel Bitton, and the image's final name (after numerous uploads) is Raquel_Bitton_Singing.jpg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddruker (talk • contribs) 19:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I've updated the page for you a little indicating the source of the image. There are two places you can read more about getting the image released for Wikipedia use - this page and this page. If you have any questions after reading those, please feel free to post here again. TNXMan 20:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Note though that a release solely for use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. It must be a release for all purposes, otherwise the image will be tagged for deletion as it will not meet any of the non-free use criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair Use Question

If I wanted to use a screenshot of a computer program under fair use, would I have to be the one who took the screenshot, or could I find a screenshot online and use it? Similarly with using the DVD cover of a movie for identification, would I actually have to take the picture of the dvd cover, or could I find one online (eg. from Amazon if they are selling the dvd)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spines11 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The photographer who took the picture would be the copyright holder of that photograph, seems to me. You cannot just assume that the image online is not copyrighted. The burden is on you to create your own fair use image. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

What about an official picture of the DVD cover from the studio? And with regards to a screenshot, does the screenshot count as a derivative work even if the screenshot of the program would be the same no matter who took the screenshot? Spines11 (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)Spines11

It seems there was already a discussion a while ago about using images taken from amazon. A line put in some of the fair use rationales of images from amazon reads "Derived from a digital capture of the album cover (creator of this digital version is irrelevant as the copyright in all equivalent images is still held by the same party). ". The old page about using images from Amazon can be found here: Wikipedia_talk:Images_from_Amazon.com. So, it seems that digital scans and such of album or book covers are fine to take from Amazon. However, I'm still unsure about computer screenshots. Spines11 (talk) 21:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)Spines11

The copyright experts hang out at media copyright questions so you may be better off asking there. However, there is a template for non-free screenshots, see {{Non-free software screenshot}}, and for non-free DVD covers, see {{Non-free video cover}}. The non-free use rationale template for the latter is {{film cover fur}}. – ukexpat (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

If you post a question there, be prepared to wait a few days for an answer. I've asked a few questions there and I think my quickest response was at least 48 hours after I asked. Dismas|^(talk) 02:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Well that depends on who's logged in and watching that page . – ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

September 29

Last Updated

Wikipedia entries should have a "Last Updated" at the top of the page so you know if you are reading two year old information about a current subject. Some of the stuff hasn't been updated in awhile and this would give readers a better way to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.40.145 (talk) 00:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The bottom of pages say "This page was last modified on ...". However, it may have been any edit, for example correcting a spelling error or reverting vandalism. There are around 3.5 million articles and unfortunately we don't have resources to keep all of them up to date. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

One of the best ways to check out when and how an article was last updated is to simply look at an article's history. Simply click on the "history" tab at the top of the page to access it; here, you will find all the edits made to the article in the course of history, with the latest appearing at the top. You can look at what changed in specific edits by looking at their diffs, too. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Uploading copyright protected image as an unconfirmed user

Could you please post the instructions how to upload the file as an unconfirmed user? I would like to upload a logo File:SCWISTlogo.gif for this non-profit organization: SCWIST and have very difficult time with it. I tried on Wikipedia commons but they took the image off because it is protected and the licence belongs to SCWIST. I also tried to post a request at Wikipedia:Files for upload but I cannot find my request anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpeji (talk • contribs) 05:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Simply put, you cannot upload until you become autoconfirmed. This happens automagically after 4 days and ten edits. You have been here for several months, but as of now, you have 9 edits. If you make one more edit, to anything, including this page confirming you understand what I just said, you will be autoconfirmed, and should be able to upload. --Jayron32 06:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

And even when it is uploaded, as it is a copyrighted image, it can only be used with an appropriate non-free use rationale, see WP:LOGOS. This means that you must add the {{Logo fur}} template to the image, filling in all the required fields (see the template documentation) and tag the image with the {{non-free logo}} notice. – ukexpat (talk) 14:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

photo usage or download

I cant find how to download buddha foto at buddha. I hav tried all. Kindly help me. E mail- <email removed>. If u answer via e mail, it would be better. Thanks. Mukesh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V8870 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your email. As you were told in big red letters when you posted here, please do not provide email, as answers will be given here. Generally, in most browsers, images can be downloaded by "right clicking" on the image and selecting "save image" from the menu that comes up. Without knowing which browser you have, it is impossible to know how you should do it. --Jayron32 05:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Just in case you are unsure of the terminology, download means to copy an image from Wikipedia to your own computer. Upload means to copy an image from your own computer to Wikipedia. Is it really a download you want to make? In that case, left click on the image first to get to an image page which often has a better quality version of the image. If you still have problems then what is the image name? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Need help with picture formatting on article...

For the past month, I've been working on the Bartow, Florida article and I think I've improved it substantially(see last edit before I started editing it here ). I've added a bunch of images(spent a lot of time finding images on commons, on the internet which were free(per Wikipedia policy) or public domain(published before 1923). I'd like to eventually get this article up to FA and know I have some work to do to get there. The problem I am having right now is I just read on some GA review page that a picture should not be on the left side at the start of a subsection(one which starts with "==="). I didn't know that when I put the most recent couple of pictures in and although I like the selection of pictures, I can't seem to change things around without "breaking" the formatting of the article.

I guess what I need is help from someone who has the time and some knowledge of technical issues (especially pictures) who can help me place the pictures in the right place. What I'd like to "see" is the Jacob Summerlin picture moved down without messing up the rest of the pictures and text formatting. Of course, having a fresh set of eyes, you might find a better place for some of the pictures and feel free to do what looks right to you. I'm using a netbook and I know my screen resolution is odd so my "view" of the page might be skewed by my resolution of the monitor anyway. Also any help or advice on the article itself would be great. I won't get hurt if someone decides to help me edit it- I've been pretty much the only person to edit the article in the past 230 edits so a fresh view from someone else would be helpful even if you can't help out with the images. Thanks in advance. VictorianMutant (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

A couple of suggestions - try reducing the thumbnail sizes a little, that may help get the images to display where you want them without creating layout problems. If the problem is "bunching of edit links", the {{Fix bunching}} template can fix that. If neither of these suggestions helps, please describe the layout issues in a little more detail here or on my talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 14:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, MOS:IMAGES no longer says that images should not be on the left hand side immediately after a sub-section. It used to say that, but the language has been changed. Bencherlite^Talk 14:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Nominating Articles for Deletion (Step III)

I just nominated Society for Canadian Women in Science and Technology for deletion and followed (or tried to follow) the instructions at Articles for deletion#How_to_list_pages_for_deletion. I did Steps I and II, but Step III made no sense as it seemed that Step II had already accomplished Step III. Anyway, I didn't do Step III, but I'm not sure if I missed something.--Bbb23 (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I think you did step III with this edit -- John of Reading (talk) 10:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Move images from Wikipedia to Commons

How do I move five images from Wikipedia to the Commons, where they will find companionship with dozens of similar images I've directly uploaded there? --Lou Sander (talk) 10:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons.-Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

A Portal Page for the Confederate States

I'm wondering what is the criteria for creating a Portal Page and can anyone create a portal page or does it have to be created by a Syops?-- CC Proctor]], Jesus Saves! 12:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

There is currently no portal for the Confederacy. There is, however, a portal for the Civil War. Does that page have the info which you need? You may also find WP:Portal useful. TNXMan 13:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't looking for anything per se, but I thought it might be beneficial to have a portal that deals with things not related to the War. I've come across a substantial amount of information about the Confederacy in general, which could possibly be for use in a portal page. Too much about that period is thrown into the War category, when there was so much more about the Confederacy than just that. So what I'm wanting to know is... by what criteria or format is there for a portal page?-- CC Proctor]], Jesus Saves! 14:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• See WP:Portal guidelines generally, in particular: "A portal helps to browse on a particular subject, hence the subject of a portal should be broad so that it presents a diversified content. The portal subject area should have enough interest and articles to sustain a portal, including enough quality content articles above a Start-class to sustain the featured content section. To aid in this, the portal should be associated with a WikiProject to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal. The portal layout should be complete or there should be ongoing efforts to make the portal layout complete. The portal should be maintained and serve a useful purpose. Portals should not be a vehicle for advocacy or advertisement, should not have too many red links, should not be redundant of another portal, should not cover too narrow a scope, and should not be inherently POV. "
• Looking further ahead, there may be little point in creating a portal that wouldn't pass the WP:Featured portal criteria, particularly this one: "It covers a topic that is broad and interesting. Portals that cover minor topic areas are less useful, because their content is limited. A featured portal covers an area that is sufficiently broad and prominent to justify it as an entry-point. Because portals promote the best of Wikipedia's content, a featured portal is selective in what it displays. It showcases only high-quality content that is preferably already featured."

Hope this helps, Bencherlite^Talk 16:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, it does.-- CC Proctor, O.B.A.M.A. (One Big Awful Mistake America) 16:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please change your signature - it is disruptive, this is not fark.com. – ukexpat (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Anyone can create a portal, but I'd strongly advise against creating a portal that would add little if anything to the Civil War portal, which is a Featured Portal already. (Tnxman, I took the liberty of fixing the dab link to Confederacy, hope you don't mind). Bencherlite^Talk 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a portal called Portal:American South would be broad enough and would, of course, cover CSA topics. VictorianMutant (talk) 23:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Help with english

Hi. I´m looking for an article about the cloth of the driver´s agains fire, but I can´t find it because I dont know the name in english. Can someone help me? Thanks. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure of the article for which you are looking. Is there something in Fireproofing or asbestos that matches what you need? If not, post here again and we may be able to help you. TNXMan 14:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions. If you have any factual questions, please use the search box or post them on the Reference desk at WP:RD. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Cloth used in a NASCAR Driver's suit consists of many types of cloth used in a particular structure. Some of the types cloth used are: glass fiber yarn, Polyester fiber/filament, Polyamide fiber/filament/wool, Modacrylic, Viscose FR, PVC FR, Meta-Aramid and Para-Aramid. These types of cloth used in combinations comprise Fire Retardant or Flame Resistent cloth.-- Avazina, Jesus Saves! 15:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Search Wikipedia with Google for: fire resistant clothing finds several related links such as Nomex, Aramid, History of Formula One regulations, List of fire-retardant materials, etc. --Teratornis (talk) 17:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix - Grammatical correction

I just want report that someone should look at Jimi Hendrix "Early Life" section under Biography, 2nd paragraph, End of the 3rd Line. "Unusually for his era, Hendrix's high school..."

I'm pretty certain it should read "Unusual for his era..."

I could not figure out where to report.```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.239.19.30 (talk) 16:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed it - thank you for catching that! In the future, you can report mistakes on semi-protected pages either here or on the article's discussion page. TNXMan 16:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Mobile version

Is Wikipedia Mobile Server having issues today, 9/29/2010? When looking at pages on iPhone they are not appearing in the Mobile format. IatroDoc (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

IatroDoc (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Citation Needed

Please advise how to provide a missing citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.148.207 (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

To fill in a citation, you generally need to find a independent reliable source that can be used to support a claim in an article. Actually citing the source varies depending on what type of source it is - there is a list on this page. TNXMan 18:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wall Tab

I am connected to a relitive and when I click on the profile page her Wall Tab is not there. I can see her photo's and other tabs. Why is this and what can I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.174.187.10 (talk) 18:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 TNXMan 18:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Problem with userboxes

Hi. Can someone please take a look at my userbox section and tell me why it doesn't look like the source? Since I am sure you guys are much better with code than I am feel free to edit either my userpage or my userboxes to make it work. Thanks, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 18:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

There are open div's before transcluding the userboxes. I'm not sure which design you want but you can place </div></div> before the transclusion. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

That sort of fixes it, but now, as you can see, there is another problem. And anyone who knows what to do please just go ahead and fix it. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 02:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Does [1] and [2] do what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, exactly! Thank you. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 17:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

SECRET OF SEX

Nothing to see here, spammy request THENEWMONO 01:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE BODY OF A YOUTH GIRL WHEN SHE SEES A YOUNG NAKED BOY AND VICE VERSA ? WHAT HAPPENS FROM COLLISION OF EYES BETWEEN BOY AND GIRL ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.99.58.125 (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC) If wikipedians knew the answers to those questions, do you think they would still be hanging around wikipedia? :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC) I don't think help desk is the right place to seek answer for such questions. Per page notice, "This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions". DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 19:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC) Love at first sight is a common trope in Western literature, in which a person, character, or speaker feels romantic attraction for a stranger on the first sight of them. Elaborated upon by poets and critics from the Greek world on, it has become one of the most powerful tropes in Western fiction. It is also considered "The most powerful type of Love".--88.110.100.193 (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Google Search result

I recently requested that the heading of my published article be changed, because it contained a lower case letter where there should've been a capital. That issue has been resolved, and the heading is correct, but the results in Google are still incorrect. More specifically, when you Google 'Zions Bank', the results show a an entry for 'Zions bank' (which has been removed) and not 'Zions Bank'. Is there a way to fix this? Any info is appreciated! Thank you! GiovanniPaush (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Google will see the new name when its web crawler gets round to looking at this part of Wikipedia. Until then, it will show out-of-date results. This is outside Wikipedia's control, so you will just have to be patient. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, click "Cached" on the Google search results page to see when Google indexed the page. It is currently a few hours before the move September 24. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

September 30

Moving an article from my user page to public space

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Hello,

For one of my classes, I had to create a wikipedia article. I have just about finished the article and need to have it public by Saturday. Right now, the article is in my userspace. How do I make it 'go live' or be visible or searchable to the public?

Thank you!

username: Anneelias —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anneelias (talk • contribs) 00:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm checking it out now. Just wait a couple of seconds and I'll come back with an answer! THENEWMONO 01:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

 Still working... THENEWMONO 01:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I just wanted to make sure the article was suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Good news: it is! Before you publish it, please write a brief introduction (in the lead paragraph, where you have Harry M. Lydenberg in bold) similar to the one in Steve Jobs (but probably not that long) that summarizes the content of the article. After you've done that, just find the arrow at the top of the page (as shown in the image to the right), hover, and select 'move'. Then, type the title of the article (the target of the move: Harry M. Lydenberg) and as the 'reason' type 'Moving userspace draft to mainspace'. Ask me or post here if you need any help/ THENEWMONO 01:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC).

Finding pages whose protection recently expired?

I'm wondering if there's any page (maybe a special page?) that lists pages whose protection/semi-protection has recently expired. This would make it easy to remove the page protection templates from the top of a newly non-protected page. Thanks in advance! --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 02:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DumbBOT already does that, but I don't know how it finds them. DMacks (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it uses Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know about DumbBOT. Thanks! --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 02:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

ahem. --Jayron32 04:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Erm, how does this apply? Trust me, I'm not going to vandalize pages. I'm interested in helping out 'round here. --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 04:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

With You I'm Born Again

The picture I'm uploading isn't showing up in the Infobox. What's the problem with my picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat.moriarty92 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

There were two "Image" fields in the infobox template. And please sign your posts on the Help Desk (and other 'talk' pages) with four ~'s. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 04:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that's the least of this article's problems - how or why is it notable? – ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

IRC

I want to access the Wikipedia IRC channels without having to download anything, not even Addons. I am aware of the possibility to go through http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help, but I seek to hide my IP address. I know that I can apply for IP cloaks, but I don't want to go through that. In sum, is there any online hosts through which I can access the Wikipedia IRC and that do not display my IP? I know http://www.mibbit.com/ exists, but I could not reach the Wikipedia channels after scrolling to "Webchat". I also don't know if it hides my IP. I thank anyone who can provide me with a clear, helpful answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agewk (talk • contribs) 04:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, there is no way to hide your IP address in IRC without cloaking. I'm not sure why you don't want to go with cloaking, as it's not that hard to do. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of good IRC clients, but still I don't think there are any clients that can hide your IP without cloaking. But cloaking is a very easy process, and shoudn't take much time, so I recommend it if you want to hide your IP and access IRC. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 11:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

If you did hide your IP without cloaking, Freenode (who run the IRC channels) would ban you anyway; it's important on IRC to be able to know whether two people are the same so that if someone's disruptive, they can be banned without the ability to immediately change their name and come back again. Hiding IPs is what cloaks are for, just like hiding IPs is what Wikipedia usernames are for. If you're particularly worried about privacy of your IP, it may be best not to use IRC at all. --ais523 19:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What is a 'Box Back Coat'

Is or was a 'Box Back Coat' an expensive or a cheap one, common or special, fashion or out of date, what material is it made of ?

Please answer to <email removed>

Sincerely, Alfred H.G. Schumann Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.21.54.229 (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I removed your email, as you were told in giant red letters when you asked your question, not to post your email. --Jayron32 05:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

A quick google search indicates that it was likely a coat which had a box pleat in the back of the coat. This website: [3] has a picture of one, as does this one: [4] though it does not show the back. It appears to have been in fashion during the Victorian era. --Jayron32 06:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorting numerical tables

If one uses the sorter, for example in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality the sort is alphabetical rather than numerical. For example, in sorting on the first column, UN R/P 10% (ratio of income of richest 10% to that of poorest 10%) the ordering comes out: 10.8, 10.9, 105, 11.1, etc. Yet 105 is not between 10.9 and 11.1. (I realize this is not really a question, but in looking through the help/contact sections, I could not find anywhere else to post this comment.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.110.250 (talk) 07:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

That's very strange. When I try sorting the first column at List of countries by income equality it works properly. Perhaps this is browser-dependent - I'm using Internet Explorer 8. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I've now identified the problem but don't have a solution for you. Your IP address suggests you are located in France. When I switch my Windows preferences to use French settings for dates, times and numbers, I find that the list does not sort correctly. The sorting is handled by Javascript within your browser; that code must be looking at your system configuration to work out what "10.5" means; and in France ten-and-a-half would be written as "10,5" not "10.5". -- John of Reading (talk) 08:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

When N/A is at the top the next sorting is alphabetical. You could either remove the texts "N/A" or apply Template:Nts.--Patrick (talk) 10:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

If "N/A" causes the sorting to be alphabetical, how do you explain the observed difference in the sort sequence after switching the Windows preferences between English and French? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

loading a new article

Please, I do not want to be rude, and maybe I am just stupid, but I have spent days trying to find out how I actually LOAD a new article. The closest I can get after spending hours navigating through all of your links is the discovery that I need to "move" my created article. Move it to WHERE? All of your instructions seem to be written for tekkies. It would be good, please, just to have a simple, straightforward instruction. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanpiper (talk • contribs) 07:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I just left a welcome message on your talk page. And about moving the article, it's already telling in the template on top of the page you're trying to move; you might want to read WP:MADEDRAFT page and seek for feedback WP:FEED. Hope this helps. Cheers! ~ Elitropia (talk) 08:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The article is currently at User:Mainspace/Ernest So after a series of moves. We really need to simplify the advice we give to new users in this area. I've posted some ideas at this talk page -- John of Reading (talk) 08:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What's complicated in Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft? – ukexpat (talk) 14:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, saw your comment about "mainspace" and that's a valid point. – ukexpat (talk) 14:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Admin help please - I just munged a move of the article back to a user subpage by moving it to User:Allanpiper /Ernest So, and now cannot move it back to User:Allanpiper/Ernest So. Would a passing admin please unmunge this for me, thanks and apologies. My only excuse is that it's been a very long day already. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done. TFOWR 14:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you – ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Back to the original question by Allanpiper (talk · contribs) - Your article has now been moved back to User:Allanpiper/Ernest So. When it is ready to be moved to mainspace, use the "Move" tab and enter just "Ernest So" in the "To new name" box (without the quotes). -- John of Reading (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist bug

I'm using the MonoBook skin and this morning when I look at my watchlist everything except the logo in the left-hand sidebar has moved to the bottom of the page, below all the text. Screenshot here. I'm using Safari 5.0.2 and it only seems to be a problem in this browser (works fine in Firefox). Lexicografía (talk) 12:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Same problem here on Chrome, had already raised it at Village Pump/Technical. DuncanHill (talk) 12:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go there. Lexicografía (talk) 12:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thread is at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Navigation/search/interaction etc. DuncanHill (talk) 12:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia & HIPAA

I am currently researching public sources of medical information on the internet and I am including Wikipedia in my assignment. However, in looking for Wikipedia's involvement in HIPAA, I was unable to find any specific information. Could you tell me more about how wikipedia does or does not comply to HIPAA guidelines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.42.3 (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

HIPAA, Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. You are looking for information on the employees of the Wikimedia Foundation that manages Wikipedia ? You would have to look trough the information at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home . Annual report, financial report and the foundation policies. If you cannot find it there, then you will probably have to phone the office. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

My guess is that OP was getting at something else. I'm no expert on HIPAA, but have had some involvement in a personal way. Among other things, the law puts restrictions on the distribution of certain information. Given the generally open view of Wikipedia on sharing info, it might be that policies of WP may be in conflict with, or need changing in light of HIPAA rules. While I guess that we have some over-arching policy saying we mean to comply with local laws, is it possible, for example, our BLP rules suggest information about a medical condition of a person can be published, and, in light of HIPAA, that rule should be modified. I'm just speculating here, as I think the OP was driving at something other than the disclosure rules as they relate to WP employees.--SPhilbrickT 14:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

In general, Wikipedia does not store personal health information about any person. However, someone could post a person's personal medical information on Wikipedia. In that case, there would be a HIPAA violation, but it would be the fault of the person who posted the information. It is up to the lawyers to decide if the medium in which the personal information was transferred should share in the blame. Further, protecting personal heath information is only part of HIPAA. Much of HIPAA deals with health information transportability. Wikipedia does assist in the sense that many ICD9 and CPT codes are easily located in Wikipedia. Medication names (and brandnames) are easy to find. Laboratory information is still rather lacking. Helping normalize and encode health data is one part of assisting in data transportability. -- kainaw™ 14:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

(e/c) In that case. Such information is not allowed in Wikipedia, unless substantially sourced, which would mean that it is probably News. When 3rd parties would post such information, it will generally be removed (and even suppressed, based on the type of information) when the community is notified of such things. We probably cannot be prosecuted, because we are not a covered entity. "Covered entities include health plans, health care clearinghouses, such as billing services and community health information systems, and health care providers that transmit health care data in a way that is regulated by HIPAA". —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Can't use Wikipedia in my usual browser because Wiki thinks I am a Script

Hello,

due to the recently exposed security problems (involuntary user tracking across the Web by UserAgent info from the browser, technically known as Side-Channel-Leak) I have disabled my UserAgent in Firefox 3, browser I typically use. In order to protect myself from this new form of Web abuse. UserAgent is absolutely irrelevant for most websites, including Wikipedia. All other websites I have encountered since this change work just fine. As they should.

At Wikipedia pages instead, I am denied any access (I can't see any Wiki page) and given following error message: "Scripts should use an informative User-Agent string with contact information, or they may be IP-blocked without notice. "

I am not a Script. I am a real person!

UserAgent has no ability to distinguish whether I am a real person or not. Please stop using it for that purpose. Do expect more people to disable it in near future due to above mentioned security concerns.

Can you help me resolve this problem?

Dusan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.48.5 (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The tech section of the Village Pump is probably the best place to discuss this. – ukexpat (talk) 16:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Please see the User-Agent policy. Especially the last paragraph " Note that some plugins or proxies for privacy enhancement may suppress this header. However, for anonymous surfing, it is recommended to send a generic User-Agent string, instead of suppressing it or sending an empty string. Note that other features are much more likely to identify you to a website - if you are interested in protecting your privacy, visit the panopticlick project"—TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

A blank User Agent is even more suspicious than a generic one, and easier to track; hardly anyone has a blank user-agent string. For privacy, just look at what the most common user-agent string is for the browser you're using (pick a generic Firefox UA string if you're using Firefox, for instance), and use that. --ais523 19:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Template for difference

Hi, I'm looking for a template that can calculate the difference between two numbers, is there any such template? /Caelus sv (talk) 16:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if such a template exists. Even if it does, why do you need a template to do that? Are the numbers being subtracted changing? TNXMan 16:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know a template doing only that but the parser function #expr can do it. For example, {{#expr:49-7}} evaluates as 42. See more at Help:Calculation. Does this work for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Try {{Subtraction}}. WikiCopter ^{Formerly AirplanePro} 17:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that works fine! I'm working on a table with some numbers and needed a faster way than to use the Windows calculator and copypaste. :) /Caelus sv (talk) 17:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Now added to Category:Mathematical function templates. – ukexpat (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to open the edit window in a separate tab?

On the old style Wikipedia, I could right click the edit tab, but in the new style I can't. Is there a way to do this without using the old style? 90.219.11.180 (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

If you're talking about using WP:Vector, I can right click the edit button at the top and select open in a new tab. I'm using Google Chrome though. --Devourer09 17:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Logged out users automatically get WP:Vector. It works for me in Firefox. What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is the request for higher quality image page?

Isn't there a category or something for images that have been tagged for request for a higher quality version or something like that? I forgot where it is and would like to work on it. --WikiDonn (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Graphic Lab#Image improvement categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I found it. It was Category:Images with inappropriate JPEG compression. Now that I look at your page, shouldn't this page be listed on that one in the list of page improvement categories? --WikiDonn (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Be boooooooooooold! Devourer09 18:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Upload photo

Dear Wikipedia employee,

I want to replace the picture of a person on Wikipedia. The image I want to replace it with comes directly from herself, as she is my employer. So I have permission to do so. I can't find how I can replace the picture and add other pictures. Can you help me?

Then for some other matters: There are a lot of notes placed on top about what's wrong with the page. I am currently fixing these flaws in the text and sources, but want to know when these warnings will disappear or how I can make these go away once these issues are fixed. Can you also help me with this?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Kind regards, Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisette84 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

For your second question, anyone can remove the tags if they feel the issues have been addressed. Note, however, that if the issues are not addressed, anyone can re-add the tags. You should also read our information about conflict of interest. For your image questions, I've included some standard advice below.

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps.Template:Z40 TNXMan 18:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

potential deletion of Mary Nissenson entry

I've just spent over an hour, trying to figure out how to use your dispute process. I genuinely LOVE wikipedia -- but, in all due deference, you've made the "instructions" on filing disputes so verbose, arcane and incomprehensible that I gave up. So, I'm hoping you will pass this on to the appropriate party.

I've never had the pleasure of actually meeting Ms. Nissenson (so I'm not going to pretend to be a close friend, associate or even "expert" on her, per se) but she DID save my husband's life, through the advice column she wrote for pain victims at www.pain.com. Actually, we knew about her, long before then, because Dave was a big fan when she was on TV. (I think that's part of why he took her help so seriously, when he was trying to kill himself some years back. He has a horrible pain condition that, at the time, he didn't think he could live with and still have a life worth living, at all.) We've both followed Mary's path through life, ever since, with great admiration, gratitude and respect.

When we first saw that you FINALLY had an entry on her several days ago, we were THRILLED! In fact, we sent a link to it to just about everyone we know, including everyone Dave works with at his packing company. Only moments later (or at least, that's how it felt) we were HORRIFIED when friends started calling us up and telling us you were DELETING her. Dave and I are praying with all our hearts that Ms. Nissenson is unaware of this debacle. We can't bear to think how humiliating it would be.

I truly mean no offense, but ARE YOU GUYS NUTS??? If you have done ANY (and I do mean ANY) actual research on this woman you will know that the entry only skimmed the surface of what she's accomplished -- despite having lost 15 years of her life to one of the most devastating pain conditions known to man. (Many patients who get RSD in a hand or foot REQUEST AMPUTATION, because they'd rather lose a body part, than live with the pain. Not an option for Mary, since she has the rarest form of RSD. It's in her cranium.

We just found her page on a site called "Linked-In" -- which I'm assuming you guys now about. YOU NEED TO READ IT. We know, from a news story that was done in Hawaii, that Mary was still homebound until December of last year. In the mere nine months that she's been back on her feet, she has helped create a campaign to fight the deadliest disease on the planet -- taken the lead in planning an historic Middle East Peace Summit -- helped develop a campaign to reduce childhood obesity (working with the First Lady, I think) -- AND is teaching graduate journalism courses in San Francisco. (sorry, I don't remember the name of the school, but it's probably on that site I mentioned)

We just heard a talk by Darryl Roberts (who produced the America the Beautiful documentary Mary is featured in). Did you know he's making a FEATURE FILM ON MARY NISSENSON'S LIFE??? Do you think he'd be doing that if she weren't everything you guys wrote about her... and MORE????

You don't have to take my word for it. Just Google her. There are about 19 pages of articles, books, TV reports, etc on Mary. (We saw her featured on OPRAH a few years back, ourselves.)

PLEASE, in the name of the heavenly father, DON'T DELETE YOUR ENTRY ON MARY NISSENSON. It would be an unpardonable offense, not merely to her, but to your READERS, many of whom I'm sure she has helped, just as she helped my Dave.

I know it doesn't mean anything to you guys, but Dave and I have sworn on our Bible that we will NEVER ever use Wikipedia again if you take this wonderful woman out, or in any way minimize her accomplishments.

Thank you for at least hearing me out. God Bless you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PainPatientAdvocate (talk • contribs) 18:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

We cannot help you here - please make your case against deletion in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary nissenson, but be aware that our sole inclusion criterion is notability. – ukexpat (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Also note that the current "article" is such a cluttered mess that it is impossible to retrieve any comprensible information from it, or to verify the claims that are apparently being made; and that the creator of this mess didn't even know enough English to capitalize Nissenson's name. The current thinking on the Article for Discussion page is that there is nothing salvageable in what was posted here. (And sites like LinkedIn are not reliable sources for an encyclopedia article.) --Orange Mike | Talk 18:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Adding information to whitelist talk page

I'm looking to find out the most proper procedure for adding information to the whitelist talk page. I am connected to one of the sites being reviewed, so there is a clear conflict of interest and the stigma associated with a blacklist site, so I don't want to rush in and post information in an unsolicited way.