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January 6

Head coach award CFL

Doesn't CFL have a head coach award? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.106.139 (talk) 03:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Annis Stukus Trophy. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then How come they didn't give the award in 2010? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.18.54 (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the references, it seems they announce the winner in late February or early March. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of NFL questions

1. Is it possible for a team to go 16-0 and not get first or second seed?

2. Why is it that several teams in the regular season face off against all the teams from a specific division? Examples:

New England Pariots: AFC North (Ravens, Browns, Bengals, Steelers), NFC North: (Vikings, Bears, Packers, Lions)

Vikings: NFC East (Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Cowboys)

Packers: NFC East (Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Cowboys)

Raiders: AFC South (Colts, Jags, Titans, Texans)

Saints: NFC West (49ers, Cards, Rams, Seahawks)

Cardinals: NFC South (Falcons, Saints, Panthers, Bucs)

Exactly why is this? Buggie111 (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1. ~~Yes. If three teams go 16-0 in separate divisions of the same conference, then they will be seeds 1, 2, and 3 (one of them will have to be third seed).~~

Strike that. It is not possible for 3 teams to go 16-0 in the same conference. If two of the teams are in the same division, they must play each other. So, that cancels out the possibility of both being 16-0. If you have two teams in separate divisions of the same conference, they will play their own division and they could be on rotation to play the other two divisions. If they didn't place the same in the previous year, they won't play each other - so two teams can go 16-0. If you add a third team, the inter-division play will guarantee that one of the teams must play the another team. So, one will have to lose (or tie). Three teams in a single conference cannot go 16-0.

2. That is how the schedule is done. Every team in a division faces the other 3 teams twice (once at home and once away). That is 6 games. Another 4 are done as a tour of another division in the same conference (the other division rotates yearly). Similarly, they play 4 games against a division in the other conference. The last 2 games are played against the two divisions in their conference that they aren't playing against. They play the two teams that placed the same as they placed - if they placed 1st in their division, they play the 1st place teams in the other two divisions. See National Football League regular season. -- kainaw ™ 16:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)1: Mathematically yes, but only BARELY. It is possible for three teams in the same conference to all not play each other. Each team has six teams from its own conference it does NOT play in a given year; so there will exist, for any team, atleast one grouping of two other teams where none of the three will play each other. In that case, it would be mathematically possible for all three of these teams to go 16-0; meaning that one of them would have to play in the first round. It would be broken by the NFL tie-breaking procedures (see National Football League playoffs for an explanation), which would require "Strength of Victory" (basically the records of the defeated teams) to break first. That being said, only one team in history has completed the regular season at 16-0 (a few other teams have had an undefeated regular season when the NFL had less games, and only one paired a perfect regular season with a League championship).ed: See kainaw's explanation below --Jayron32 16:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2: See National Football League regular season. Since it is not currently possible for every team to meet every other team (prior to the AFL-NFL merger, every team in the NFL played every other team at least once), the NFL has developed a scheduling rubric which does a few things: 1) It aims to give each team a balanced schedule, that is, as close to the same strength schedule as everyone else. 2) It aims to see that every team plays every other team at least once every 3-4 years. 3) It makes sure that each team in the same division plays a "home-and-home" series against the others in its division, since that's the primary route to the playoffs. The National Football League regular season article explains in detail how it achieves these goals, and answers the rest of your question regarding scheduling (full disclosure: I had a lot to do with editing these articles, especially the parts I explained above). I hope that helps! --Jayron32 16:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(To Jayron) Note that I amended my answer above. It is not possible for 3 teams in 3 different divisions of the same conference to not play each other. Here's an example for divisions N, E, S, and W. Assume N is on rotation to play E. Then E must be playing N. Then S and W are playing against each other. A team in N or E can go 16-0 and a team in S or W can go 16-0. If you want another team to go 16-0, it must play a team that we already designated as going 16-0. The way it works out, you get two sets of division pairings in each conference each year. So, you guarantee that every team in those pairings play each other once. -- kainaw ™ 16:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. It looks like it is NOT possible for a team with a 16-0 record to be a 3-seed in the playoffs. Under the rules, which you correctly noticed, there can be, at MOST, 4 undefeated teams, two from each conference, and they would be then guaranteed to be the first two seeds for each conference's playoff bracket. --Jayron32 16:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A correction to something said above: While all NFL teams may have played each other when there were only 8 or 9 teams in the league, that certainly wasn't the case in the 1960s, when a team in the Western Division might have gone a few years without playing a team in the East. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. What I should have said was that, pre-merger, a team would be guaranteed to play every team in its (side of the playoff bracket) prior to the merger. Thus, pre-Super Bowl, every member of the NFL's (Eastern/American) (Division/Conference) would play each other every year; and only play the members of the (Western/National) (Division/Conference) every few years. After the merger, even members of one conference did not play each other even every year. Doing some research, it turns out my statement, as presented, was WAY off, the ONLY season (indeed, not even the last of several or the first of several, but the ONLY one) where every team played every other team at least once was the 1932 NFL season. Other than that, there would be at least one team in the league that each team would not face. In most years, the NFL was a ten or eleven team league, and after the introduction of divisional structure in 1933, each team had a ten-game schedule; this was accomplished by playing a home-and-away against their own division, that's 8 games for a five-team division, leaving only two games against the other division. When the season was expanded to twelve games in 1948 that still left each team playing only four of the five teams in the other division. The 14 game schedule came in 1961, but that came at a time when the league had 14 teams; again assuming each team played the other teams in its own division (now called conferences) twice, that's 12 total games; that only leaves 2 for the other conference. --Jayron32 19:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To answer questions 1 and 2, the article National Football League regular season#Formula helps. It's not just "several" teams, but "all" teams that face off against all the teams from a specific division. That wasn't the old formula, but it's the new one, and it also means that under the current formula, it's impossible to have more than 2 teams in a conference finish 16-0. First, since each time plays its division rivals every year, there can only be one 16-0 team in any division. Second, since each team plays the four teams from another division within its own conference on a yearly rotation, then among the two divisions that are paired for that season, there can only be one 16-0 team. To put it concretely: let's say the Bills, Browns, Texans, and Raiders all went undefeated in their divisions and undefeated against NFC teams (it's a stretch, I know). Well, the inter-AFC rotation means that the Bills must face either the Browns, Texans, or Raiders, depending on what division the East is paired with that season. Let's say they played the Browns -- now one of those teams is doomed to be 15-1, or else they're both doomed to be 15-0-1. Well, if East is paired with North, then South must be paired with West, so the Texans and Raiders must face each other -- and so again one of those teams can no longer go 16-0 that year. So you might have a 16-0 #2 seed, but never anything lower than that under the current scheduling system. In other words, it may be that the answer to your second question is that the NFL schedulers were considering the scenario in your first question! --M @r ē ino 16:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, with a sufficient number of ties (which admittedly seldom happens nowadays), there could be more than two undefeated teams in a conference, at 15-0-1. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 7

MLB and NBA

Questions about MLB and NBA: a) Why MLB and NBA don't draft players from Canadian Universities? b) Why MLB and NBA don't allow teams to wear white uniforms for road and colour uniforms for home? c) Why MLB and NBA are popular in America and not in Canada? d) What is unique about NBA and MLB from the rest of the leagues? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.43.48 (talk) 03:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

a) Good Canadian players (Steve Nash, Rick Fox, etc.) enroll in American universities because the competition is at a higher level and also because scouts are more likely to see them.

c) Unless you're from Toronto, it's not easy to root for the one mediocre MLB team that is a longshot every year to make the playoffs and the one currently lousy NBA team. Still, it's not that they're not popular. They're just not as popular as hockey, eh. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

a) There are also some notable Canadian baseball players, besides the basketball players noted above. The best known is probably Ferguson Jenkins, or the more recently active Éric Gagné, and the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame attests to other notable players as well (not all of the inductees there are Canadians by birth, but some are).

b) Home teams in all four major American sports may generally choose to wear any color they want; with the stipulation that the away team has to wear a contrasting color. Tradition decides whether the home team in a sport usually wears white or a colored uniform. In major league baseball, the sport with the longest professional history in the U.S., the tradition was for teams to wear white uniforms at home and grey uniforms on the road; this system dates back to the 1800's. Other than accent colors on the hats, and maybe some colored piping on the shirts, all baseball uniforms followed this convention until Charlie Finley introduce the garish green-and-yellow color scheme to his Athletics teams in the 1960's. The gray away uniforms transitioned to "Robin's Egg Blue" in the 1970's, and by the 1980's, most teams except baseball's "Old guard" like the Yankees and the Red Sox used various colored home and away jerseys. By the late 1990's, the practice of having a third "alternate" jersey entered the MLB, meaning that nearly every team has a "white" a "grey" and a "colored" jersey now. For the NBA, the tradition has always been white at home and colors on the road; for many years the lone exception was the L.A. Lakers, who only very recently introduced a White jersey; for a long time the Lakers had only a Yellow home and Purple away jersey. In the NFL, the tradition has always been to have the home jersey to be the team's primary color, and thus the white jersey is usually used for road games; the exception being that the Dallas Cowboys who traditionally wear white at home; as a result of this they rarely wear their blue jerseys; out of spite their divisional rivals like the Redskins or the Giants will often wear white at home for just the Cowboy's games; to get the Cowboys in their blues occasionally. Like the NFL, the NHL has traditionally followed the "Colors at home, Whites on the road" tradition; but its still up to the home team's discretion.

c: has been adequately answered above.

d: Not sure what you mean by "unique". MLB has the distinction of having the longest season, in terms of number of games, of any major professional sports league (possibly worldwide; you'd have to check that, but I suspect it to be true) at 162. That creates a very different sort of strategizing; baseball strategy is based on the long-haul rather more winning individual games because of this. Baseball also has a much larger focus on statistics than other sports (see Sabrmetrics). The NBA is the youngest of the four major professional leagues; it's the only one of the four major leagues to be founded after WWII. The NBA also has traditionally featured teams in markets not served by the other sports. It remains the only major league with teams in cities like Orlando, Florida, Portland, Oregon, Sacramento, California, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and Salt Lake City, Utah, and was the first league to enter the Phoenix, Arizona market by over a decade.

That's the best answers I can provide. --Jayron32 05:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There was once a practical reason for wearing darker colors on the road, as the clubs could get away without laundering the uniforms so frequently, especially as they played nearly every day and it might have been tough to find quick-turnaround laundries. I recall when hockey teams wore their colors at home and white on the road, and then sometime in the 70s they switched to the baseball approach. Since then they seem to have switched back, or perhaps it's at the team's discretion now. The days of having literally just one uniform to wear on the road are presumably long past. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They switched back to colours at home in the NHL for a couple of years recently, and then they switched back again to whites at home, this year or last year I think. Adam Bishop (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To get back to the first question, Canadian university sports are played at a much less competitive level than top US college sports. Part of it is because there are few athletic scholarships in Canadian universities, part of it is because revenues from college sports are insignificant in Canada, and huge in the United States. As a result, the best Canadian professional prospects who attend university do so in the USA. That includes ice hockey players, by the way. There are a few exception: Canadian universities do graduate the majority of Canadian players in the Canadian Football League, the level of competition is not bad (a little weaker than Division II in the NCAA) and as a result a handful of Canadian university players - mainly linemen - have been drafted by NFL teams. In baseball, at least one Canadian university player, Jeff Francis of the University of British Columbia, has been a top draft choice (in 2002); in contrast, players are selected from Canadian high schools every year in baseball's first year player draft. There are also a few NHL players who have played in Canadian universities, but they are usually not drafted at all and they have to make it to the big leagues through sheer perseverance. --Xuxl (talk) 16:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please, ignore the last question because the real question I wanted to asked was why MLB and NBA don't do award ceremony like CFL and NHL do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.20.191 (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean award ceremonies? Major league baseball and the NBA have numerous awards. Baseball has the Golden Glove awards for fielding, the Cy Young Award for pitching, the Major League Baseball Most Valuable Player Award, the Major League Baseball Rookie of the Year Award and several others. The NBA offers the all the awards listed on the template to the right. How does this make them different than the CFL or the NHL?--Jayron32 19:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand. Award ceremonies mean that you have a program where a presenter says like for example the defensive player of the year goes to this player. instead mlb and nba give the award to the player before the regular season ends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.154.203 (talk) 02:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MLB gives out its awards once the baseball season is totally over. Not sure about the NBA, but at the very least, it wouldn't be announced until after the regular season is over. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball gives out all of its awards after the end of the World Series. They generally get anounced to the public in "dribs and drabs" right after the end of the World Series, usually like one per day for like a week. I have no idea if there is a formal awards ceremony when they are handed out, or if the awarding body just mails the plaque or trophy. I suspect there is some sort of ceremony for each award, probably that it is just not televised. I did a little looking, and it looks like most NBA awards are given out after the end of the regular season, but before the finals; i.e. during the playoffs sometime. For example, Tim Duncan won the NBA MVP award on May 6 2002, while the 2002 NBA Finals were played the first full week of June. Again, I don't know that there is a formal ceremony for such awarding; there may be, and it may just not be televised. --Jayron32 13:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

College hockey players

How do Canadian and American universities' hockey players play in the National Hockey League? like how do they get drafted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.43.48 (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some team picks them in the NHL Entry Draft. There's no rule against drafting university players. Harvard (of all places) had the most draftees of all universities in 1996.[1] Clarityfiend (talk) 04:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because of an extensive junior hockey and minor league hockey system, along with very good overseas hockey infrastructure, college hockey does not produce the number of professional-level players that you find in sports like college basketball and college football. Hockey is much more like baseball in this manner; in that the "college" route is not the standard path to the pros. However, some players each year do reach the NHL out of college. Professional teams don't refuse to draft really good players out of college, but the number of players developed through other paths is great, reducing the need to use the college system as a defacto development league as the NBA and NFL do. --Jayron32 05:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know a lot about the fine details of how hockey runs its business, but although the minimum age at drafting is supposed to be 18, it seems that there are ways for teams to get their hooks into players well before that. I'm thinking specifically of Wayne Gretzky, who was a hockey prodigy if there ever was one. I recall hearing about him when he was in high school or maybe earlier, and I don't even follow the details of hockey all that much. He was the "can't miss kid" who indeed lived up to his potential. (On one of the ref desks, someone asked how talent and skill were different. Gretzky had both. Eric Nesterenko, to name one, was another story.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 18-year-old rule was an NHL rule. Gretzky got around that by playing for a competing league until he turned 18. Prior to his 18th birthday he played for the WHA's Indianapolis Racers and Edmonton Oilers. By the time the WHA folded and the Oilers moved to the NHL, Gretzky was already 18. --Jayron32 15:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Often, players who are drafted from university, including Canadians, have avoided the junior hockey route all together. They often play in less-competitive leagues in order to concentrate on their high school studies - something that's very difficult while playing junior hockey - and then seek out an athletic scholarship at a US university. The downside is that they don't get to play against the best competition until a fairly advanced age, and that may hamper their development as players. Canadian universities tend to recruit older players who have played junior hockey, or younger ones who were not quite good enough to do so. Those players are in general focussed on their studies and play for pleasure, as their chance of going on to play in the NHL from there is extremely low, but once in a while, a player will catch the right breaks and make it. --Xuxl (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One older player who joined a university team recently is Mike Danton...but he has little chance of making it back to the NHL. Adam Bishop (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, trying to kill your agent may be seen as a net positive on your resume in some circles --Jayron32 21:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Especially to the Calgary Hitmen. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sports scores prediction

I frequently hear Warner Wolf on WABC radio not only predicting who will win a football game between two particular teams, but also the score. What's the sense in that? How can one predict a score? I sense that that's too particular of a thing to be able to pre-determine, almost like predicting whether someone will get tackled on the 30 yard line or the 20 yard line. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 14:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Considering how often the experts get the final result wrong, predicting a specific score is even less likely to be successful. It might be a subtle way of indicating the point spread. But in Warner's case, it's probably just part of his shtick. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It has to do with sports betting. "Respectable" journalists and the sports leagues they cover don't want to be seen as promoting gambling on their sport, so they won't often come out and give betting advice on individual games. However, in American football the two most common bets are bets against the point spread, and bets against the "over/under". See Spread betting for more details on both of these. When a sports commentator says he predicts the score will be, say, 24-21, what he is telling you is he believes there will be a three point spread, and the over/under line will be 45. You can sometimes really read between the lines on some of these things, for example Chris Berman's "Swami" persona is his betting advice persona; he never actually mentions the spread, but you can see sometimes when he tells you to "I pick the Eagles in this game" and then shows the Eagles losing by a score of, say, 21-20. When you check the papers and find that the spread is Eagles +3.5, its obvious he's giving betting advice, even though he wants to give the illusion that he isn't. --Jayron32 15:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There have been serious scientific statistical studies that create formulas that predict some sports results, but I cannot put my finger on any details. 92.24.183.6 (talk) 17:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One-day cricket uses one such formula to determine score targets in matches which have lost play to rain – the Duckworth–Lewis method. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NFL and MLB

Why some teams are considered American in Baseball and national in football like Detroit and some teams are national in baseball and american in football like san diego and denver and cincinnati? Why some teams are considered American in both baseball and football cleveland and baltimore and kansas city and why some teams are considered national in both baseball and football like arizona, st.louis, and atlanta? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.33.138 (talk) 15:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you're referring to National and American Leagues, and National and American Conferences. Which conference a city is in for which sport is a product of the leagues' respective histories. The managements of the leagues themselves (MLB and NFL) are independent of each other. It would take many paragraphs here to explain it all, so just read the histories of those leagues and perhaps it will become clearer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just an overview: In both baseball and football, the original leagues were the National League (founded 1876) and the National Football League (founded 1920), respectively. Both leagues had a certain amount of instability in their early years but eventually settled down. Then rival leagues started to appear, typically called American-something. Some of those rival leagues folded. The ones that survived were the American League (founded 1900) and the American Football League (founded 1960). The American League is separate from the National League in many ways, although they do play interleague games. The American Football League was absorbed by the National Football League, and some realignment was done to make the two conferences the same size (currently 16 teams per conference). The NFL conferences are artificial. They could just as easily be called the George Halas and Lamar Hunt Conferences if the NFL wanted to (for the trophies that the conference winners get). OK, that's already pretty long-winded. Did that explanation help any? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In baseball, the National and American Leagues operate no differently than the National and American Conferences do in football (with the LONE exception being the Designated hitter.) Consolidation to a single league structure happened more gradually in baseball than in football; but today MLB is a single league for all intents and purposes. The final vestiges of seperateness of the two baseball "leagues" ended in 1999, when the offices of American League President and National League President were abolished. --Jayron32 16:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, in baseball, they could rename the National and American Leagues the Warren Giles and Will Harridge Conferences if they wanted to, again named for their trophies. The reason they keep those National and American names presumably has to do with tradition and marketing (maybe not in that order). When the American Association folded in 1892 and 4 of its teams were brought into the National League, the league was officially called the National League and American Association for awhile. Likewise, when the All-American Football Conference was absorbed by the National Football League in 1950, they dropped the old Eastern and Western Divisions and renamed them the National and American Conferences. After a few years, they reverted back to Eastern and Western, but retain the suffix "Conference" instead of "Division". Divisions were introduced into baseball, and re-introduced into football, as necessitated by expansion. I hope the OP is getting all this, because there'll be a quiz next period. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Also, to respond to another of your earlier points, the AFC and NFC are NOT completely artificial, like the NL and AL in baseball, they have their origins in formerly independent leagues. All of the pre-merger 10 AFL teams (Bills, Dolphins, Pats, Jets, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Oilers, and Bengals) are part of the AFC. Because the AFL was a 10-team league and the NFL was a 16-team league at the time of the AFL-NFL merger, three NFL teams had to "jump" to the AFC to make the two conferences have an equal number of teams. Ultimately, the Browns, Steelers, and Colts were the teams to do so; however it was a contentious issue at the time of the merger as to WHICH teams would have to make the switch. Since the merger, teams have been added or swapped between leagues and/or divisions occasionally for geography or scheduling purposes, but as historic rivalries are also respected in these decisions, the old AFL teams still form the core of the AFC. The NL and AL are also not any more sacrosanct with regards to their membership than the football conferences. See Milwaukee Brewers. The point is that there is absolutely no fundemental difference to the way that the NFL and the MLB are organized. --Jayron32 16:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is one reason why the Dallas Cowboys are in the Eastern Conference of the NFC, even though they are further west the the Western Conference St Louis Rams. Googlemeister (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it used to be FAR worse. There was a time, prior to the current structure in the NFL, when the NFC West had the Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints while the NFC East had the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals. While it may seem like team movement caused these alignments, that's not so. The Falcons were in the West and the Cardinals had played in the East since the AFL-NFL merger. The reason for this is the "horse trading" that went on during the merger process. The problem was, at the time, no teams wanted to move out of traditional alignments. On the first hand, no one wanted to move "out" of the NFC to the AFC, even though they had to; and the merger mandated a "six division" structure to the final league, however there was no clear way to make sure that a) traditional rivalries got preserved AND b) were geographically logical. Ultimately what happened (and this is a TRUE STORY) is that Pete Rozelle got so fed up with the bickering, he threw about twenty various proposals for the final league organization into a hat, drew one of them out at random, and THAT became the official organization. --Jayron32 19:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which makes the DH issue all the more strange. It's kind of like if the AFC had the two-point conversion and the NFC didn't. Anyway, I wonder if the OP understands now, or is more baffled than ever. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To maybe explain some specifics raised by the OP, consider San Diego. The Chargers began as a direct rival to the Rams in Los Angeles. Thus they were kind of like the Angels competing against the Dodgers. The Chargers couldn't compete in LA, so they moved to the open market in San Diego. The Angels, likewise, moved south - except they stopped at Anaheim. When MLB wanted to expand again, in 1969, they chose to place San Diego in the NL, for whatever reason, while assigning Seattle an AL franchise. That left the west coast with 3 AL teams and 3 NL teams. They could just as easily have assigned Seattle to the NL and San Diego to the AL, which would have coincidentally matched the NFL situations, but they didn't do it that way. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

National Football League game interruption rules

As this weekend brings the start of the National Football League playoffs, I recently wondered what would happen if one of the games was disrupted after in had started by any number of unfortunate events...(complete stadium power failure, terrorist attack, severe inclement weather, etc). How would the game be handled? Would the teams resume the game on a later date, retaining the scores when the original game was canceled? If a certain amount of time had been played, would they not resume and just declare a winner? I know games have been delayed or rescheduled in the past due to weather concerns, but what about situations where the game has started, a sizable amount of time has been played, and the game is interrupted and not finished the same day? 10draftsdeep (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The NFL tends to play in most any conditions, although a lights-out problem would be a show-stopper for sure. I think there was a game at the new Meadowlands this past season that had a power outage, and they just waited until power was restored. What you're asking is what if the power figured to be out for a long time, or maybe what if the Metrodome roof had collapsed at halftime instead of overnight. I'm assuming the league has contingency plans. But I wonder if a game ever has been interrupted. I'll see if I can find anything. (Although Jay might beat me to it.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have an NFL rules book for 2007, and I expect it's still good on this point. Rule 17 discusses how to handle various emergencies. In all cases, it is up to the Commissioner or his representative to decide whether to stop a game, unless they can't be reached, in which case the Referee makes the decision to stop the game. It is then up to the Commissioner to reschedule the game, and it will be picked up at the point the play stopped, effectively becoming like a suspended game in baseball, with one exception: If, in the Commissioner's opinion, the outcome of the game would not be affected, he can declare the game terminated. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This item[2] contains a copy-and-paste of the portion of Rule 17 that I've been talking about. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:36, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. So it is a situational decision. If the game is tied or relatively close in score it will most likely be resumed at a later date, but if the score is 48 - 10 with only a couple minutes remaining in the 4th quarter, it seems like fair assumption it will be terminated and a winner declared. Thanks Bugs. 10draftsdeep (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 50th Grey Cup game, in 1962, was interrupted by fog in the fourth quarter and completed the next day, starting from the point when it had been suspended. --Xuxl (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pleased to see that our questioner would still be seeking a result for the game even after a terrorist attack. Good positive attitude there. ;-) HiLo48 (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's the same kind of thinking that went into the IRS having a contingency plan for collecting taxes in the event of a nuclear holocaust. :) On the other hand, the NFL played its normal schedule on 11/24/63, since "JFK would have wanted it that way." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, Pete Rozelle, the NFL commissioner at the time, subsequently repeated many times that having the NFL play games that day had been the decision he had regretted most. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the thing about our response to terrorism is that they don't get to dictate to us how our lives should be lead. If we give in on things like football schedules, they've won. It's already bad enough that we have to almost strip naked to get through the security gates at airports, thanks to them. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to recall that Week 2 of the NFL was cancelled in 2001 due to 9/11. This was spun as a mourning sort-of thing, but probably had a great deal to do with the shutdown of the air traffic system. Baseball's shutdown was more immediate, and more obviously a practical reaction given their fuller schedule, with teams stranded in various cities. To the best of my knowledge, all of the postponed games were made up. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 20:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 8

reno 911 episode

Does anyone know which reno 911 episode has the following quote by Trudy: Hey, I don't go to your job and tell you you're going to hell" help would be much appreciated, thanks, N.I.M. (talk) (redacted) 08:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A simple Google search for "reno 911 quote I don't go to your job and tell you you're going to hell" returned this page as the very first result. According to that, it was season 2, episode 4, "Dangle's Ex Visits". The episode, besides being about Dangle's ex-wife visiting, involves the deputies trying to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments. Dismas|^(talk) 08:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, N.I.M. (talk) (redacted) 12:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Soap opera actor: ID by his face

Any idea who this is, at the 3:47 mark? He's a legend, but I can't find him in the current casts of OLTL, AMC, or Days. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The actor at that time index is Peter Bergman, who currently plays Jack Abbott on The Young and the Restless. --McDoob AU 93 01:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Skye Lourie

How old is Skye Lourie? I have searched online and cannot seem to find a dob. Does anyone know it? 217.42.41.134 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 9

Woody Harrelson: mother's name

Woody Harrelson's wiki page has his parents listed as Diane Lou (née Oswald) and Charles Voyde Harrelson, who divorced in 1964.

Charles Voyde Harrelson's wiki page has spouses listed as Nancy Hillman Harrelson and Gina Adelle Foster. No mention of a Diane.

Any help locating the facts would be helpful. Pmatemylunch (talk) 17:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Diane according to [3] 75.41.110.200 (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Stafford biographical error

Your biography on actress Nancy Stafford states that she left the 'Matlock' TV series at the end of the fifth season. Actually Ms. Stafford appeared in several episodes of the sixth season of y Griffith's courtroom series.

--Ron Howe / Erskine, MN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.1.146 (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find a reliable source that confirms this — your own observations don't count unfortunately — then you can add this information yourself to the relevant articles. That article, just like all Wikipedia articles, was written by volunteers just like you. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where The Action Is Dancers

Hi !, Does anyone know what ever happend to Joy Ciro, who was a dancer on the 1960`s TV show Where The Action Is71.192.108.9 (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Back in 1966, she married Bobby Hatfield, but is she still alive71.192.108.9 (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google [joy ciro] and there are quite a few entries. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Country music song

Resolved

Dear friends! Hello from Moscow, Russia! Please, help me to find a song, I heard many times on the country music radio when I was in Washington D.C. in1976-1988. Unfortunately I do not remember neither author nor name of the song. This song was about a man, who travells in country by a car, stops at a bar, talks with a girl and through the song there always comes up nomber 707 (airplane, room and so on). Thank you all very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktorlena (talk • contribs) 18:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. There's a song called "Boeing Boeing 707" by Roger Miller, who was a country singer, though it doesn't seem to match any of details you mentioned other than the number (I Googled for the lyrics). There's also a band called 707 which operated in the time frame you're asking about, though they were apparently a rock band rather than country (not that that would prevent them from releasing a country song if they wanted to, of course). Since they titled one of their albums 707 as well, perhaps they also used that number in one of their songs? If you click through the links at AllMusic perhaps you'll see something you recognize. Hope that helps! Matt Deres (talk) 02:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is just a stab in the dark, but there's a Bill Anderson song called "Double S" in which what recurs throughout is not "707" but the initials "SS"—in the woman's name (which the singer's persona never finds out), in the name of the bar (Seldom Seen), in the plane she's flying away on the next day (seven-oh-seven), in the name of the motel she's staying at (Surf and Sand), etc. Deor (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Viktorlena left a note on my talk page indicating that "Double S" is indeed the song that s/he was looking for, so I'm tagging this thread "resolved" to spare others from racking their brains. Deor (talk) 10:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Valley's father

I wanted to know if Mark Valley, from Human Target (2009-present) and Christopher George, from Rat Pack (1966-1968) are son and father, or are related. They do look a lot alike. 70.77.37.132 (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Lynda Day George, Christopher George's son is not biologically related to him; his son was his wife's from her first marriage. This is sourced to the IMDB, however, and I'm not sure how reliable their biographies are deemed. I haven't found anything yet to indicate another biological relation between the two. --Kateshortforbob _talk 18:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 10

congrats

Congratulations on your 10th annavursery (spelling not perfect, message still the same though), 10 years, wow! good job Wikipedia and God Bless you, N.I.M. (talk) (redacted) 04:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What's your question? :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How to spell anal-versery, of course. :-) StuRat (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Try 'birthday', it's way easier! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.183.90 (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"You'll never grow up to be a man with an attitude like that, my boy. Do things the hard way - it builds character." (my father) -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 18:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC) [reply]

And while us peons are building character, the ones who master the shortest distance are becoming CEO's. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And what do we have - a nation run by CEOs without character. Is it any wonder things are in such a mess? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 08:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC) [reply]

You're onto it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greys Anatomy - TV

I am curious to know where the hospital scene of the "bridge" or mazzanine floor, with the large picture window behind, ?overlooking the front reception at "Seattle Grace Mercy West Hospital", is filmed??? from "Greys Anatomy", (one of my most favourite television shows). I believe most of the hospital scenes are filmed in Los Angeles, except for the helicopter scenes, which are filmed in Seattle. The scene in question - is it within a real life hospital, a Hotel or somewhere else??? Cotedazur333 (talk) 10:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did a Google search for "Grey's Anatomy filming location" and the first few hits come up with Sepulveda VA Hospital in Sepulveda, California. And this page shows a front view of the hospital in question which has a large window on the front. So, it's possible that the sources are correct. And here's another pic: Front lobby Dismas|^(talk) 11:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody who is a HONDA PILOT expert, PLEASE help me find this commercial! ^{It involves a 2,000+-floor parking garage.}

Years ago, I saw a Honda Pilot (or other SUV) commercial about finding a space in the parking garage; he went through hundreds of underground floors without any luck. Then under floor 2,000, he entered a sinister-looking cave, and there was a demon-like sentry observing the SUV drive past, then the commercial ended.

YouTube doesn't feel like finding it, so WOULD YOU PLEASE HELP ME? THANKS!!! --70.179.178.5 (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If no one answered last time you asked, maybe no one remembers it. And as a general rule, shouting or trying to bump your question like last time, won't make people remember any quicker.

Anyway... have you tried Googling for it... it's not that hard to find (is this is the one you mean). Astronaut (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

HAHA, YES! YES!!! THIS IS THE ONE I'VE BEEN SEARCHING YEARS TO FIND! OH MY GOSH ASTRONAUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! I tried looking for "honda pilot parking garage commercial" but I guess just "honda pilot commercial" would've done it well enough. I've since Favorited the vid and added it to the Automotive playlist. Wow, I misremembered level 720 as being level 2,053 or some other nearby number. I suppose that if a parking garage does allow motorists to drive down to Hell, we need to send a convoy of Humvees, Bradleys, and MRAPs (if they're not overheight) to pacify the evil depths! --70.179.178.5 (talk) 02:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What type of cable might a live news show use to connect to a camera twenty miles down a mine shaft?

Resolved

– ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 13:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is for a short story a friend is writing. The setting is not quite a mine shaft, but that's close enough for purposes of this answer. The nature of the shaft/cave thing prohibits the camera from transmitting wirelessly. So what type of video cable could hypothetically be twenty miles long? Is there a "standard" cable most networks use that would be suitable? ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 17:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking something like the emergency shaft in the 2010 Copiapó mining accident then single-mode optical fiber could swing the distance involved, but I don't think it likely to hold up structurally over that distance while unsupported. If you're talking planned construction, then the mine operators might have installed some sort of data connection (including the necessary support equipment) that newsies could connect into (with permission) and your friend can use what he likes. — Lomn 19:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this would be 8 times deeper than the current record TauTona Mine which is only 2.4 miles deep and requires refigeration because otherwise it is 130 degrees F. The temperature at 20 miles deep would be far higher and require special camera equipment to handle the heat. Rmhermen (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, if the mine does not go straight down, but rather spirals down at a gentle 3% grade, then it could easily be 20 miles deep, while remaining within 1 mile of the surface. Googlemeister (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is enough information. Thanks all! ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 13:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Schoeller Close-up Photography

What kind of equipment would you need to shoot photos like these?

Perhaps a ring flash and a macro lens? Any links to sites offering such equipment would be welcome.

Lucas 83 20:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukerees83 (talk • contribs)

The kind of professional studio equipment used to take those photos is almost certainly available to buy or rent from Calumet Photo. Astronaut (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My wife is a photographer and, though she's not here now, she's taught me enough to know that you're on the right track with a ring flash. And yeah, a short lens will do it. Dismas|^(talk) 01:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 11

Song in this video

Ok, I know it's strange that this is a video of an advertisement for a car wash, but nevertheless, what song is playing in it? I get that it's a remix or cover or something of Surrender Your Love by Nightcrawler, and Another Night by Real McCoy, and I guess other things, but what is it exactly? Is it anything, or just something made for this video? Adam Bishop (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

English Cartoon

I look for an British(?) cartoon. Regrettably it is strange to me the title: Pit and Pat? The stripping is alike to the Sam the fireman. The main characters twoo worker-follow, alike his clothes and names. Doncsecz^talk 15:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Pat & Mat? (Though they're not British). ---Sluzzelin talk 15:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Pat and Mat! I now then remember! Thank you! Doncsecz^talk 15:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 12

Common generic music: "dum diddly dum bump"

Third segment in on the "Letter Q Day" segment (wait for the video to auto-load), Big Bird starts singing quietly, and ends with "dum diddly dum dump dum dum...", or something phonetically similar. What is that? I've heard it thousands of times, not sure the source. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shave and a haircut, two bits! Adam Bishop (talk) 01:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Thank you so much! -- Zanimum (talk) 03:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sickly?

Is Actor Sean Murray,NCIS Tim Mcgee ill or has he lost that much weight he is looking sickly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.33.140 (talk) 02:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I read recently (US TV Guide perhaps) that he had quit drinking and had been working out. No illness was mentioned.Chief41074 (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

iPod lyrics

My friend recently was playing a song on his iPod Touch and the lyrics showed up onscreen right on top of the album cover. We weren't even in an area with Wi-Fi. How can I get that on my 4th generation iPod Touch? --Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 03:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They appear on my first generation iPod touch but I had to import them into the lyrics section of iTunes. --Shylocksboy (talk) 05:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found this with my iPhone recently... It's part of the music file itself as I was in "airplane" mode at the time it happened to me... It was a random track on the "Nightmare" Album by Avenged Sevenfold... All the other tracks showed the album cover, and then this track came on (can't remember now which one) and all the lyrics were displayed... gazhiley.co.uk 09:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't turning Settings > iPod > Lyrics & Podcast Info > ON do this? sparkl_!sm ^hey! 11:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mortinho por Chegar a Casa, isn't this movie subtitled in English?

Mortinho por Chegar a Casa, I remember seeing it on big screen with English subs but can't find English subs for download. Anybody can help? --117.204.84.249 (talk) 04:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 13

Muslims in four major professional sports leagues

How many Muslims are playing in the CFL? How many Muslims are playing in the NBA? How many Muslims are playing in the MLB? How many Muslims are playing in the NHL? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.33.240 (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Historically, there used to be more muslims in American sports, back in the 1960's and 1970's, when many black American athletes joined the Nation of Islam-movement. Prominent examples include Muhammad Ali (born Casius Clay), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (born Lew Alcindor) and Ahmad Rashād (born Bobby Moore). I can't name anyone offhand that is active today, but that doesn't mean that their aren't any. --Jayron32 02:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For NBA players, this forum thread may give you some leads. Some are obvious, like the Turkish player Hedo Türkoğlu. Others, like Shaquille O'Neal are surprising, but apparently confirmed, see [4]. --Jayron32 02:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The List of American Muslims has a sports section as well. --Jayron32 02:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The only one in the NHL, I think, is Nazem Kadri. (Apparently Justin Abdelkader is not Muslim.) Adam Bishop (talk) 03:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ogg

Is there a way to get itunes to read ogg files? Money is tight (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of. There's a Quicktime plugin somewhere that will let you do it but if I remember correctly it's a huge pain. I had to download a few different versions of the plugin as well, since apparently each update invalidated the previous plugin. This was over a year ago, so it might not be possible now... Eldamorie (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Film somewhat connected to Fist of Fury

The story begins on a movie set in which the final scene of Fist of Fury takes place. Just like in the movie, the actor playing as Chen Zhen charges at a line of armed soldiers, makes a flying kick and is fired upon. But as soon as the scene is cut, the actor playing as Chen Zhen starts bleeding from a head wound. It turns out that at the same time the armed soldiers are shooting Chen Zhen (with blanks), another mysterious person on the set has fired on the actor with a real gun. Foul play is suspected and the Movie is about a search for the perpetrator who shot the actor. --Arima (talk) 09:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Character on Fibber McGee & Molly

When Molly was away from the program, there was a character named "Sill" or "Silly". That character is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article about Fibber McGee & Molly. Who was the character played by and did he do any other characters on the show? 69.21.242.170 (talk) 16:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name that film

Can anybody help me in finding the name for this film? I was only able to catch the last few minutes of this film but from what I caught was: two of the characters had this machine that they where able to attach a phone to, dial the phone and a call but to an earlier time, eg they where in a motel room and they called themselves some hours earlier at a gas station. Once they made that call to themselves I think they started to die when they changed that time between phone calls. Scotius (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It makes me think of Primer (film) because it has two time travelling characters and the movie is a narration through a phone call. -- kainaw ™ 18:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

80's US Television Program

I'm trying to remember the name of a children's program from the mid 1980's featuring an illustrator/artist that showed children how to draw. The artwork was generally black felt tip marker on white and usually featured space themes. Any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.34.104.12 (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If your memory is off by a decade, it could be Pappyland. -- kainaw ™ 18:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mister Dressup sometimes did segments on drawing, though I don't recall them usually being space themes. 142.179.81.220 (talk) 22:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Secret City? --Onorem ♠Dil 22:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Picture Pages doesn't fit the description as well as other suggestions but throwing it out there just in case. I vaguely remember a marker being prominent. I think it was named "Mortimer". AlexiusHoratius 22:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mortimer Ichabod Marker according to the article. AlexiusHoratius 22:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 14

a film like "Prime"

Hello, I remember there was a film where a woman seduced her best friend's son (or vice versa), and they were Jews too, but I can't for the life of me recall what the title was (or any other details). Does anyone perhaps know? Thanks in advance, 92.230.209.156 (talk) 01:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the Jewishness of the characters, but you aren't thinking of The Graduate, are you? What's Prime? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How much did James Cromwell get paid to be in the movie Babe

Just one spoken line "That'll do, pig."76.27.175.80 (talk) 02:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]