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Harrison Ruffin Tyler
The article on this person was deleted in 2008 for not having notoriety for being a living grandson of president tyler. You stated in the talk section that if recent articles were found on this subject that he should be retained. Apparently the world figured this out two weeks ago and there were articles written in the Huffington post, Politoco, New York Times, etc and a CBS Presidents day interview. Is it possible to revive the old article? --weum2004(talk)—Preceding undated comment added 03:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Hi. :) That's not exactly what I said; i said at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harrison Ruffin Tyler that the article should be deleted "unless somebody produces evidence that this individual has substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources." It's not really about the sources being recent; it's about them being substantial. If you think that the sources are substantial enough to verify that he meets notability guidelines, then an article on him may well be appropriate.
In terms of restoring the old article, it is possible, but you would need to take the request to Wikipedia:Deletion review, which lists among its uses "if significant new information has come to light since a deletion and the information in the deleted article would be useful to write a new article." You might consider speaking to the administrator who deleted the article first. He is not often active these days, but may still be able to return to assist you. You can find him at User talk:Mr.Z-man. --Moonriddengirl(talk)03:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) A contributor detected that the article was created with content taken from this website. The creator of the article was notified of the issue and given several steps that could be taken to repair it, here. For over seven days, the article was held in a waiting period to give the creator time to do that or to allow any other contributor to rewrite the material, if the website would not grant license. When nothing was done, the article was deleted, as we are not able to reproduce content from most sources without verified license. (Copyright protection in the United States (which governs us) is granted automatically.) --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You find this? It did not say that on the 10th, when I last looked at the website. :)
I'm going to assume based on this that you are involved with the Actual Art Foundation and encourage you to modify that statement, unless the Actual Art Foundation is actually in position to release images by artists such as Alexia Nikov, Tery Fugate-Wilcox, and Maria Ceppe into the public domain. The statement as it currently is does that. The article can be restored, but I would like to resolve this issue before doing so on the precedence of some recent claims by a Russian website to release content owned by the Beatles. We need to make sure that you aren't inadvertently granting more than you intend. --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for your concern and quick responce.......i am not of the Actual Art Foundation, but i could ask the director/chairman to clarify the issue here if that would help.......Palofierros (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. :) But where the issue would need clarification is on the website itself, unless the Actual Art Foundation does own copyright to those artworks and intend to release those photographs of them for reuse, including commercial reuse and modification. Some artists are comfortable with such releases, but it's good to be sure of that in case they're not, before they find their artwork on a t-shirt somewhere with no recourse. --Moonriddengirl(talk)21:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Roger Casement and the Black Diaries
Thank you for your message about this article. You indicated that no rewrite to avoid the copyrighted material had been proposed, and that therefore the whole article was being deleted. I am sorry that I have had no prior experience with cases of this kind. I had offered earlier on the Talk webpage to help rewrite the article and asked for information about which the problem sections were. I assumed -- due to lack of experience of the process -- that I would hear back from an admin on the request and the offer. I am sorry to hear now that it has been deleted -- there was a good deal of solid work in the article undertaken independently by other users that had nothing at all to do with Mr. Mannerings (or his co-author) and their article. To be more future-focused, can I ask if, even now, you are able to share with me and other users the identity of the specific text passages in the WP article about which Mr. Mannerings (or his co-author) have made their complaint and assertion of copyright? With this information and a few days notice, as I've suggested before, I for one would certainly be willing to take a close look at the challenge and see if a rewrite seemed feasible. My instinct is that the answer would probably be yes. Nandt1 (talk) 06:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I'm sorry that the function of the copyright problems listing was not clear. :/ These articles are listed typically for a week to permit the community time to secure permission, which I gather wasn't possible, or to rewrite the article. If you look at the template (Template:Copyviocore), it cautions that, "Unless the copyright status of the text on this page is clarified, it may be deleted one week after the time of its listing" and it offers guidance on how and where to rewrite the article on its face. In that guidance, it notes that "if the original copyright violation cannot be cleanly removed or the article reverted to a prior version, it is best to write the article from scratch". I can see that "no rewrite proposed" would be confusing in this circumstance; I'm afraid it's the standard text that I use when I mean that nobody has rewritten the article in the temporary space provided so that I have nothing with which to replace the copyright problem.
The rewrite you want to do can still be done. I had left the talk page of the article rather than deleting it so that we could continue to discuss the situation, which is unusual in that the content is actually still in the history of the article from which it was split: Roger Casement. Sometimes I will leave articles up longer than the listing period in this situation to allow time for the rewrite, but since the material is still accessible at its original point and since we have an angry copyright holder demanding that the article be removed, it seemed prudent in this case not to keep it around while the article is rewritten. :)
The copyright holder claims content was copied from multiple works of his and demands that they be taken down. We don't know exactly how much was copied from him, but we do know that content was copied; it can be identified in the specific source he referenced. I'm afraid that even the lede you carefully constructed borrowed content from the earlier text on the page, so I cannot be sure what, if anything, was safe to use. While the older content can still be accessed in writing a new article, the new article should be substantially written from scratch because it is not possible to identify the exact passages that are a problem here. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I am still learning here. As I understand the above, though: (i) the copyright holder was not obliged to identify (and did not in fact identify) the specific passages in the article where he maintains that his copyright was violated, and (ii) Wikipedia has no mechanism (?) for asking him to specify such passages. It would obviously be enormously helpful if in fact you could ask him to do so.
Even assuming you cannot, I am bound to say that it seems to me extreme to suppose that we have to throw out everything that was in the earlier article: there is, as I said before, a great deal there that is sourced independently and/or does not depend in any way on anything Mr. Mannerings has ever written. But I take it that your more general point is that one should err on the side of caution rather than the reverse.
Can I obtain access to the original complaint that was made? And any other supporting information from you own internal review? Nandt1 (talk) 15:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that the original letter is accessible only to OTRS volunteers. I've explained at my staff talk page how to apply for that, if you wish. I identified several passages that were copied from his websites using the duplication detector tool, which was linked from the template that blanked the article.
Aside from a few modifications, the material is still accessible in the history of the older article (I've linked to it above). If you want to try to use that content to create a new article, you would be very welcome to do so. However, while content might not seem dependent on anything Mr. Mannerings wrote, that does not mean it wasn't copied from Mr. Mannerings. Sometimes people copy content and sources are later added by somebody else; sometimes people copy content and use the sources they took from the original. I would encourage you to be very careful in reusing any of the content, as we are each legally liable for our actions on Wikipedia and as the copyright holder is extremely unhappy with the use of his content on Wikipedia. As WP:C says, "Never use materials that infringe the copyrights of others. This could create legal liabilities and seriously hurt Wikipedia. If in doubt, write the content yourself, thereby creating a new copyrighted work which can be included in Wikipedia without trouble." This is always good practice, but particularly so when infringement has occurred.
If you want to ask Mr. Mannerings to look at the content as it previously existed here and tell you what specifically he claims was his own, you certainly may, particularly as your note at the talk page suggests you have already been in contact with him. I have not; I am not the agent who addressed his letters and given the tone of his communication don't think we should. But it does not require administrator tools to coordinate with a copyright holder, and if you would rather try to salvage the material you certainly may. --Moonriddengirl(talk)16:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Two questions that I would quite like your opinion on - 1) Should I add close paraphrasing listings and 2) Should I update {{adminbacklog}} once a day? If so what do we consider a backlog?
As for if I leave the plan would be to make the source code publicly available, and if MER-C agreed probably leave it in his google code repository. This means that if I did leave and the bot no longer run the minimum someone else would have to do is run the code themselves somewhere. I would imagine that there may be a pause why they set it up etc., possibly in the order of weeks if they're a new bot operator and have to sort out a server, but hopefully there wouldn't be the long pause that was, in this instance, caused, at least in part by there being no source code to work with and having to start from scratch. Dpmuk (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And actually a third question, if I do do the close paraphrasing task should I list all cases or just those that aren't tagged free=yes. Dpmuk (talk) 06:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I wrote an article for this fellow, and then noticed that you have had some copyright vio-related dealings with this page. You might want to take a look and see if you like the new text. Brianyoumans (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Brianyoumans. That's not necessary. :) If you wrote the new article and you are comfortable that you are within copyright policy, I've got no need to double check you. I only investigate articles where problems are likely. :D Thanks for expanding the article. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any chance that you could blank the revision before my last revision? it is just the the same as the copyright text that was removed. Also, I know I ought not to be requesting this from you personally, where is the correct place to make this sort of request? Op47 (talk) 23:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Flatscan is, as always, right. :) Although actually requesting it of me personally is not necessarily a bad thing; I noticed that this contributor is a repeat offender and have blocked him for two weeks. He is obviously the same person, and he does not come back often enough to make a shorter block effective. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem – I'm almost compelled to edit if I see anything within my vanishingly narrow area of experience. The good news is that the addition was attributed in the edit summary at insertion. The diff is a little messy, so I want to examine it a little before placing the {{Copied}}s. Flatscan (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey MRG-- You're the great guru of copyright and fair use procedure so I'm straight to you on this. I'm starting to actively recruit academics to become WP editors (using the H-Net lists to get to them). One of my first "class" is a former editor at Citizendium. I'm curious about what the correct procedure is for porting over his work from there. Do we copy-paste in and make a note of source on the Talk Page or is there some other way to do this? I'm not 100% positive he has stuff to port but don't want to look like an idiot when he asks me how so I thought I'd be prepared in the info department. A few words on my talk page would be helpful. Best, —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 06:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
tried to list an item at WP:PUF, not sure what I did wrong
I've tried to list an item at WP:PUF however on both the image page and the user page only the substrings show up, not the actual templates. I thought I followed the directions on WP:PUF, but the results indicate otherwise. Can you tell me what I have done wrong? The image is The Genealogy of Bharata.png, and the user is ScrollsofAryavarta. Thanks very much. JanetteDoe (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it may be because the file is actually at Commons and is transcluded (?) to en-WP. It might be that you have to make the necessary PUF edits on Commons. But don't take my word for it! - Sitush (talk) 17:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but I'm not sure how to do that. Is there some help page that makes this absolutely step by step for that situation? Because at the moment it's easy to understand why new users get really, really frustrated at WP and give up. JanetteDoe (talk) 18:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I gave up even trying to put stuff up at our own PUF - you have got further than I did! Suggest we wait for confirmation of the problem & then maybe I'll see if I can do the necessary at Commons if that is indeed the problem. - Sitush (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is possible. Unfortunately, I don't know the requirements for assignment of copyright in the various locations in which images can apparently be stored and I find the "help" pages misleadingly named. JanetteDoe (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
User:Sitush has identified the core issue; if the image is on Commons, it has to be addressed there. That was confusing for me the first time I encountered it, too. :) It would be nice if we had some kind of standardized approach across various projects, but, alas, they all have their own ways of doing things. :/ Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion goes into it a very little bit, but not too extensively, in the first section after the lead.
I keep a couple of tags on my userpage at Commons to help me find what I need; Commons:Category:Problem tags is probably the one I use the most. This is an unusual situation, since the uploader claims own work but almost certainly means that the scan is his own work. I think I'll go tag it with commons:Template:No source since and explain the issue to the uploader. Alternatively, a deletion discussion might be needed. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Is there anything I should do? Following the instructions, I placed notices on the image file, the uploader's page, and all of the pages that use that image, of which I think there were eight. I am concerned that I should go back through those and remove the notices I (apparently mistakenly) placed. JanetteDoe (talk) 17:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Probably best if you remove the notices from the articles. :) It may confuse people, since there's not actually a discussion point for them to attend. And LOL @Sitush. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) Copyright protection varies to the degree of creativity in the content. What we're actually talking about here has a term in plagiarism; it's called an "apt phrase" (or sometimes "apt term") (See [1]) Generally, what I would do is check to see how distinctive the phrase is; is it unique to the author? A Google search suggests it is probably a common phrase for the subject: [2]. This can be a good way to determine the level of creativity. :) (That said, even if you get a lot of hits, it can still be a good idea to make sure that they aren't all crediting your source as the source; if other sources regard it as an "apt phrase" and treat it accordingly, so should we!)
Copyright and plagiarism concerns are more keen when (a) content is highly creative or (b) there's a lot of it (relative to the size and "heart" of the article or the source). It probably goes without saying that a + b is even more of an issue. :D While we do tend to be conservative on these issues, in this case, if this is the only lingering content, I think we're probably okay.
If it had been unique to the author, it would be a good opportunity for a brief direct quotation:
in a case of what Source describes as "foo"....
That kind of thing. :)
Thank you very much for your attention to the issue. Keeping Wikipedia free of copyright is a personal goal of mine, and I'm always happy to see people aware of the issue! --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MRG! I've taken the liberty of moving this to the bottom for visibility. Is there any indication that the necessary OTRS permission has been received? The article is still languishing at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 February 4. Should I relist it on today's CP or just leave it there? Frankly, the website may grant permission for their stuff and the pdf, but I highly doubt the book (Marketing Metrics: The Definitive Guide to Measuring Marketing Performance) will be given a CC-BY-SA 3.0. It's copyright to Pearson Education (a big commercial publisher). The problem is, many articles edited/created by Karenmharvey now contain or consist almost entirely of lengthy quotes from this book, e.g. Annual growth %. All these probably need to be checked if the book permission isn't forthcoming.:/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not there yet. I found a rejected permission letter from July 2011 (2011071210016178), but it was rejected for what should have been easily reparable issues. I have no idea why they didn't repair them. :/ Let's relist it once, but you're probably right about the book. Can you just copy over some of your note here at the relisting? If I'm the admin who addresses the article, I'll check the others as well at that time. --Moonriddengirl(talk)22:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Moonriddengirl--can you do something with this? I'm inclined to delete the whole thing as a copyvio, but it may be more complicated than that. Thanks in advance. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm finally getting some headway with photos. For the article Millennium Park Bus Depot, I requested two sources to supply non-free copyrighted images to me so as to use in the article. I mailed them for permission. Guess what? Both of them sent me confirmations! Yay! Now please tell me how do I upload these photos, providing fair-use rationales and showing that permission has been provided? The two sources told me that the mails sent can be used as their confirmation for use, provided I cite them as source and state that the photos are from them. Please respond fast. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 13:55, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Great. :) If you have permission that conforms to our licensing requirements, you don't need fair use rationales. What you would do is upload the images to Wikimedia Commons, explain the origins, and place {{OTRS pending}}. Then go ahead and forward the permission letters you received to permissions-commonswikimedia.org, providing a clear link in each letter to the image as uploaded. Then watch your inbox, because if there are any issues, the OTRS agent should let you know. :) If you didn't receive a clear licensing statement (one that clearly identifies the license they permitted), you may need to first ask them to send you the release statement at Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. Sometimes copyright holders give us permission to use content "on Wikipedia" or otherwise aren't clear on license, and we have to go back to ask for more. --User:Moonriddengirl14:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nice. However, the two sources didn't say as to which license I should use exactly. One of the sources said this, and I quote: "I am confirming that, this photo is freely usable and allowed for public use but only if u are giving some reference link to my blog". The other source stated that "we have no objection in Wiki using the picture with due credit as suggested by you." I have both the mails stating this, and both said that the mails can be used as guarantee letters. Do I need to ask them again for a specific copyright license? ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 16:34, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, I had mailed Box Office India regarding copyright concerns of their figures (and I wrote a pretty long letter); unfortunately, they haven't responded despite it being 2 weeks since I sent them that. Has anybody from Wikipedia attempted to contact BOI regarding usage of its figures? I thought I could help, and I outlined several policies, but their lack of reply is rather unnerving. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 16:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm afraid you do. :/ Here's what I've found the easiest approach to be: write them, say, "Wonderful! Now all we need is for you to send us the form letter. I'm going to paste this in at the bottom of my email. If you are willing to agree to our license, please reply to my email, keeping this form in place and putting your name and the date in the spaces provided for it below. The Wikimedia Foundation will retain this licensing statement for their records."
Extended content
I hereby affirm that I am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of [put the URL to the work here, Ankitbhatt] I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0" (unported) and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.
I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.
I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.
I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
[NAME]
[DATE]
If correspondents don't seem to be getting it, I make it as simple as possible for them. :)
You can save yourself some time and trouble by asking them to carbon copy their reply to permissions-commonswikimedia.org. If they return the form and put their own name and date where you've asked them to (don't put that there for them! put the URL in, but not that), then they'll have given explicit consent to the license. The only issue you might really run into then is if their email address doesn't clearly connect them to the website where the image was originally published.
If I'm misunderstanding you and the images aren't currently online, I'll need to tweak that language a bit. Let me know. :)
No problem, actually. I just sent them a mail telling them that I'll release the photos under the
The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other uses are permitted.
Attributiontrue
tag; I asked them to reply saying that they confirm allowing me to release under the given tag. They said yes. Simple. The photos are now available; i forwarded all the necessary mails to the e-mail ID you gave. Thanks a ton for your help, now I feel more confident when I want to upload photos :D. You can check up the photos in this article :).
Regarding BOI, I sent them a LONG letter asking them to release their figures under a license, telling them of the benefits both sides would get. They didn't respond back, and its been more than a month. Its unfortunate :(. Cheers! ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 08:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Can I help?
Dear MRG, I've been absent for a while and have only just caught up with recent CP developments. Since SCV is currently blank, can I help at CP? I did a couple today but realise that I probably should volunteer as a trainee clerk first to be able to help out properly at CP. Shall I just go ahead and volunteer myself at WP:CP/C?--CharlieDelta (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I missed all these yesterday when I was catching up. I can't believe it. I thought I'd answered everything. :/
Anyway, sorry for the delay. You certainly can help at CP; we need all the help we can get. :) If you'd like to volunteer as a trainee, go for it. Please just let me know, so that I can come and support you. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think it may be an overall problem of IP editors from the past, however I do believe there is one particular editor who may need to be warned and if they persist, perhaps some sanction or another. Depends on if all they are doing is baiting me or really just commiting plagerism.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This article references a 1931 or 2(?) obituary. It reads as if it's been copied directly from it, but I haven't seen the original, and it doesn't state that it incorporates text directly. Advice? LadyofShalott19:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's very helpful, Sphilbrick. :) Looking at the original, I believe this is an issue under our current guidelines on plagiarism, but not a copyright problem. I don't see a notice anywhere on that document, so I believe it should be public domain. I've tried to make it a little bit more readable and have added the attribution necessary to avoid plagiarism. --Moonriddengirl(talk)22:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Moonriddengirl! Aside from the barnstar, I wanted to come by and ask a few things.
In the Fashion in Milan article, I was quoting a book, and I wrote this - Producing fashion: commerce, culture, and consumers, Regina Lee Blaszcyzk [3] ECW University of Pennsylvania Press, 2008, p.47 (Chapter three: Elisabetta Merlo and Francesca Polese) [an example]. Is it right according to MoS to put that (Chapter three:...) part, because, if I am not wrong, the chapter I am quoting from does not seem to actually have been written by Regina Lee Blaszcyzk, but Elisabetta Merlo and Francesca Polese (though I'm not sure)?
Secondly, I added a photo of the Via Monte Napoleone street sign to the top of the Fashion in Milan page since I believe it summarises the essence of the article well. This is not a major concern, more of a curiosity, but regarding the freedom of panorama in Italy, is it alright to put street signs and things? (I'm pretty sure it's possible, yet if not I can replace it with another image). Could you also explain to me a bit about the whole story around FOP?
Thirdly and lastly, I think I have spotted a copyvio on the Music (Madonna album) page. In a part of the introduction it says "which further developed Madonna's move toward European dance music" and in the composition section "and retains a rocky, American edge". Though divided up, this is almost identical to a sentence in this website, where "which develops further Madonna's move towards European Dance but still retains a rocky, american edge" ([4]) is written. At first I thought it could have been copied from Wikipedia, as many websites do, but it seems from the timestamp that it was written in 2000/2001, which would probably mean that it might be the other way round. I have no idea of the article history - it could have been written by the person who put it on the very same website, or it could be allowed to feature on the article, yet, considering your experience, may you please have a look at it?
(Talk-page stalker responding to first question) If you use {{cite book}}, you should follow the model under "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor", so the filled-in template would look something like {{cite book |last1=Merlo |first1=Elisabetta |last2=Polese |first2=Francesca |editor-first=Regina Lee |editor-last=Blaszczyk |title=Producing Fashion: Commerce, Culture, and Consumers |publisher=University of Pennsylvania Press |location=Philadelphia |date=2008 |page=47 |chapter=Accessorizing, Italian Style: Creating a Market for Milan's Fashion Merchandise |isbn=0-8122-4037-5}}, which would produce
Merlo, Elisabetta; Polese, Francesca (2008). "Accessorizing, Italian Style: Creating a Market for Milan's Fashion Merchandise". In Blaszczyk, Regina Lee (ed.). Producing Fashion: Commerce, Culture, and Consumers. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 47. ISBN0-8122-4037-5.
Thank you, &レア. :) And thank you, Deor for explaining the {{cite book}} options.
In terms of your other questions, Italy doesn't have a "freedom of panorama" exception but I really am inclined to think that this sign should be okay. I do not think it is likely to be creative enough to warrant copyright protection. The name of the street is not protected; the typography is not protected; the only real protection could be in the arrangement of elements. If you want further opinion, though, you might ask at WP:MCQ.
I've been told you're great with WP:MILHIST articles; would you be interested in doing me the favor of taking a quick look at Lavrentiy Beria as well as the talk page? It technically falls under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Russian,_Soviet_and_CIS_military_history_task_force, but I don't want to bother the whole task force when all I'm really trying to do is get some actual discussion going so I'm not the only guy adding sources. Due to the low editorship I can't really get any kind of reasonable consensus, and the one other guy who edits it doesn't use the talk page and doesn't like my sources. I would value your opinion. Thanks! Bravo Foxtrot (talk) 02:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) It looks as though the editor with whom you disagree is talking to you at User talk:Greyhood#Removal of cited content from Lavrenti Beria. Probably the best thing to do here is to ask him to engage in discussion at the talk page of the article and, if the two of you can't agree, to invite either a WP:3O or to take the matter for neutral commentary at WP:DRN. The 3O process requests notes left without signatures so that whoever responds does not start off with an unconscious predisposition towards the person who made the request. I wouldn't want to risk seeming to be biased towards you, as I might, unless I happen to disagree with you. :)
I will note that the entire section relies very heavily on a single source. It may be a perfectly accurate source (I have no background in this subject), but it is always helpful to bring in other sources. There seem to be lots of them: [5], [6], [7], [8]. Adding several more sources would help. Book sources are fantastic, but aren't always easy to "verify" if people challenge content. Support from sources that can be accessed online will help settle disputes for those unfamiliar with the subject. Also, relying on multiple sources will help document that the material is not "undue" weight (the concern of only one or two biographers) but is also covered by others. All around, a good thing for contentious material. :)
Since I've never worked on the article and don't have time, I'm afraid, to do a proper job of adding more sourcing, I haven't changed anything there. I have changed the section header discussing the matter on the talk page from "User:Greyhood deleted the section again" to "Content deleted again". As I note there, according to the list of contributors, as of this writing Greyhood has edited the article only four times:
I'm afraid that the prior header is likely to prejudice people against him, as it suggests he is repeatedly removing this content without discussion. :/ It seems it may have prejudiced the only editor who has thus far responded, given his reference to Greyhood continuing to make a nuisance of himself. In general, it's really a good idea to focus on the content rather than the contributor when discussing issues and to be very careful when accusing others of misbehavior to be sure that misbehavior can be substantiated. I would encourage you to reread that section and to strike out anything that may move the focus of talk from the issue to the editor.
After a slight delay due to coding burn out (coding is a major part of my day job as well and it wasn't going well in the middle of the week) I think I have the pseudo-bot code sorted and a couple of minor problems ironed out - one of these was that it wasn't detecting the source parameter in close paraphrase as I'd coded it to look for a url parameter and as plenty of people had incorrectly used a url parameter it was returning sources for some pages so I didn't notice the problem at first. This means some of the backlog pages are listed without a source when they have one. This is now sorted.
I've just spent some time getting the bot to detect edit conflicts. I want to give the rewritten code a test run at the end of today and if it works I'll submit it at BRFA. Still trying to get my toolserver account reactivated so not sure when I can get it running in it's final form but I should, temporarily, be able to run it automatically form my laptop once I have permission to run in bot mode.
Finally, if you add a copyright=no parameter/value to a close paraphrase tag then the pseudo-bot should ignore it. This isn't fully tested so it would be great if you let me know the first time you used it. Dpmuk (talk) 06:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! I will, indeed, and, please, don't let yourself burn out on it. We've been without copyright bots for a long time, and it won't hurt us to have it on pseudomanual to keep you happy and engaged. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well I spent all of Wednesday digging through work code only to decide it was odd data. That sort of put me off looking at code for a while. Am happy to look at it again now. I do plan on taking a bit of a break once it's been through BRFA as what with RfA, BRFA, coding bot, updating user pages, etc. etc. all in the last week or so I could do with a bit of a break. Want to see the bot running first however. Dpmuk (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On a different note, are you happy with my new user page. You'll notice that I both point people at your user page and quote from it so I thought I'd check you were OK with it. Dpmuk (talk) 07:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations on passing your RFA! I was out of town or would have stopped by when it happened. I'm absolutely delighted to have you onboard and welcome your coming by at any point you want an opinion or a second set of eyes. I've always thought that one of the greatest strengths of Wikipedia is our collaborative nature; we don't have to work alone. There are plenty of editors who can attest that I'm never shy about asking for opinions or help when I need it. :)
I quite like your userpage, even though it makes me blush. If you want to copy any of my language, you are welcome to it. I'm glad to see you give instructions for talking about disagreements. Hopefully you won't run into too many issues, but if I can take the liberty of sharing some of my own thoughts on this...well, I can take the liberty of sharing some of my own thoughts. :D I'll just hope you don't mind.
I always try to treat people with compassion when they are shocked or angry that content has been removed for copyright reasons. I try to imagine how I would feel if I found out that I was doing something completely wrong or, just as bad, that an article I cared about and had worked on had been gutted because somebody else did something wrong. Usually, people calm down after a round or two. It helps to make your initial response very clear and to give examples of the problem, if they don't believe it's there. In my general experiences, those who don't calm down if you treat them with true civility and respect may have larger problems. It has become a red flag for me that I may be dealing with a serial copyright issue. It's not always the case, but it has been more often than not. It may be that these people become more defensive because they realize they have more to protect.
In terms of deleting copyright problems, I prefer to leave even a little stub if I can rather than deleting an article altogether. In this day of "rev deletion", this is so much easier. It was harder when I had to either rewrite the content completely from scratch or attribution specific contributors in edit summary. :) I am particularly like to try to save articles that I think may be challenged by Wikipedia:Systemic bias. In the years I've been working copyright problems, I've seen some articles that have been G12ed multiple times before ever landing at CP. It's not uncommonly the case that these articles are efforts by multiple people who don't speak English well to add something on a subject that is important to them and in their culture. Giving them one will sometimes put an end to that cycle.
Again, if you are ever in need of assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know. You are very welcome to any assistance I can offer, and in turn your assistance is much appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well I was going to point at your page for the copyright side of things and when checking that out saw the admin bit and remembered how I thought, when I read it ages ago, what a good statement it was. Hence the copy! I agree with the second opinion stuff - hence the reason you got to deal with some stuff from me at WP:CP where I've wanted a second opinion. Can't imagine that will change just because I'm now an admin. The insight into people's reaction is interesting - I'll have to bear it in mind.
I have noticed that you're a bit more ready to stub rather than delete (or tag for deletion) than me and indeed I've taken that on board and do try to stub a bit more. The systematic bias one is something I do bear in mind, although, to date, I think I've come across it more in the context of older 'things' with unavailable sources than because of foreign languages. I think I'll be treading quite carefully while I work out how best to deal with the competing interests and the different way of dealing with things. Suspect I'll always be a bit more ready to suggest delete than you but I think we are, thankfully, both within the "discretion" area.
Oh, and I noticed when I was looking at my RfA stats that I've edited your talk page twice as often as I've edited my own. Not quite sure what to make of that! Dpmuk (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that there's room for variance in how we approach things. :) I saw that editing statistic, too. :D I have a feeling that now that you're an admin, that will change. But, hey, if it doesn't, it's good for me. I get to benefit from you as TPS and enjoy generally collaborating on copyright work. --Moonriddengirl(talk)22:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just deleted my first two pages that were listed at WP:CP. Even bearing in mind what you said above I could see no way to save Mirai Suenaga. We don't have articles on the website or artists so couldn't find any where to redirect. Stubifying would have left an article with no links to anywhere apart from a couple of claimed "appearances" and I could find no sources myself so couldn't even find a way to make it a valid stub. Feel free to review anything I do while I'm learning the ropes and revert anything you disagree with - I'll definitely take it as a learning experience. Dpmuk (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, mrg, I'm back with another suspected copyvio. It looks to me as if the material added with this edit was taken, directly or indirectly, from here. I've not reverted the edit, assuming you would want the history to be revised also. Hope that is right. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) Thank you for letting me know. It's generally going to be best to revert it, to avoid mirrors picking it up, and just let me or somebody else know that the edit needs deletion. I see User:Voceditenore has reverted it, and I've done the mopping up and left the IP a note (User talk:24.171.118.95). I appreciate you keeping an eye out for the issue. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dear editor-who-I-happen-to-know-has-otrs-access, earlier today I forwarded some ancient e-mail exchange to permissions-en, subject 'en:user:mstrsail' at around 12:27 UTC. I expected an automated reply with ticket ID, but haven't received anything yet. If you have a minute, could you check that it actually made it and let me know the ticket ID so that I can use it to mark the respective images? As I write there it's only for bookkeeping, no action needed. Not urgent. Thanks, Amalthea14:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot! :) And I'm surprised you don't have automatic replies. I've always found them useful in a ticketing system, for both sides. For the ticket management side, the biggest benefit IMO is that people are less likely to create multiple tickets. If they get a response they are assured that it's tracked somewhere and won't send a "Answer me already!" mail 30 minutes later, and if they want to follow up with additional information they'll reply to the auto-response and it automatically ends up in the right ticket. Cheers, Amalthea16:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your name was mentioned in relation to PumpkinSky ("... someone whose conversant in the copyvio area should be added to his list of mentors, someone like Moonridden girl."). I would appreciate highly if you reviewed just one article in his CCI (of 11 left of 729) and join the distinguished list of reviewers. I have been labelled an "absolute supporter of the copyright violator" and would live happier without that. Absolute supporter of a person, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would not be able to help as his mentor, I'm afraid, as I've got quite a lot more than I can currently handle with WP:CP. :) I did, however, review an article. I wish I could do more, but it took me an hour to review that one, and I'm afraid I really can't. I found a few small areas that needed rewriting, but nothing of substance. There were, however, several issues with incorrect facts--for instance, in her cause of death, in the timeline of the building of her new cabin, in which of her friends declared hers a marriage of convenience. I wonder if these are perhaps both due to the same cause? If you wind up mentoring him, maybe the issue is that he needs to slow down?
Boing! said Zebedee and I have been struggling to explain copyright issues to a new user, User:CaptainKramer. He is under the belief that because the organization is registered in the US as a public organization (in this case, a political party), the content from their website can be reproduced on Wikipedia without it being a copyright violation. Boing! and I have tried to explain otherwise, and linked him to the appropriate policy pages, but this is either a case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT or just us not explaining it properly. He thinks we are preventing other editors or admins from assiting him, and has specifically requested an admin more familiar with copyright policies to assist him. Out of an abundance of good faith, I thought I would ask if you can assist CaptainKramer with his copyright questions. Singularity42 (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are userspace contributions made by users protected by copyright.Many users leave the project with unfinished userspace contributions or userspace articles are not worked on for more than 6 months can another user use it without attribution.A user created an article in userspace Not edited since April 2011 Another user copy pasted it into mainspace in Sept/Oct 2011 and it was speedy deleted yesterday as copyright violation can it be restored if it attributed in the talk page.Is attribution necessary ? Russia–Yemen relations .Other editors appear to have contributed to it since then. A Senior Editor has left the Project with many unfinished articles now can others use his contributions as per this.If it is to an existing article it will be copy paste by another editor. The Rationale for deletion is here .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) Yes, userspace contributions are copyrighted. Every time we hit save, we agree to release our content under CC-By-SA and GFDL, and this is true for userspace, article space, talk pages, noticeboards, etc. Nobody can use that content without attribution, but another user can use the content with attribution.
For a new article, the best bet is to move the sandbox (although I'd make sure the editor is gone and not likely to object first). With an existing article, the easiest way is to give attribution in the edit summary. If all the changes to content were made by one author in the sandbox, you can do that like this: "All content created by [[User:Example]]"
If multiple people worked on the sandbox, this method does not work. In that case, you have to follow the steps for copying content from one article to another at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Making a prominent note on the sandbox of what you've done is a very good idea, if you do that, to avoid it being deleted. With the specific name credit, we do not need to retain the sandbox. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey :D. Since this list is in extract form, I was thinking: Why not expand the extract reach?
Look, when the list was in its complete form, the list went up to 30 films under the "highest-grossing films" list. Right now the extract stops at 10. I'd like to add the 15, 20, 25 and 30 ranks too. That way we can all be clearer as to what is the limit for a film to be in the list. I'm also planning to write some written material in the article (like in Bollywood films of 2011). I'd appreciate it if you could clarify whether I could go ahead with this. Thanks in advance :). ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 08:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) Probably we should not expand the list. We are using exactly the recommendation of our lawyer. But written material would be fantastic. The more we "transform" the material (by adding new content), the more we can use of it. You could probably discuss each of the top five, for instance, as long as you included three or four sentences on each with facts chosen and sourced from different references. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't we consult the lawyer again and ask to expand the list? I'm keeping it in extract form after all, just going to add 4 more ranks. Regarding written material, my intention was to add to the article and keep the lists too. You'll understand when you see the list after I work on it; I'm gonna make it almost FL status :D. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 13:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. :) Your best bet would be to add the written material first, because the more of that we have the better our claim to fair use. Then we can look at increasing the extracts. --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:37, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on it right now. What I'm planning is to make the list a source of info about Bollywood as well, albeit in a much summarized form; an FL is always very informative, isn't it? :D. I finished one paragraph regarding a brief history of Bollywood, and I added photos too. Not much of it is my own work, I just looked at the Bollywood article and summarized some 6 paragraphs into one LOL. I'll continue working on this for some time. Take a look if you can, and give me your thoughts. Cheers! ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 14:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please explain to me the basis of your deletion of the article on Subject Alternative Name? I am researching this type of secure certificate and information could potentially have been very helpful. Could the article not have been amended to remove any copyright-infringing material?
193.128.166.225 (talk) 16:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Plagiarisms and copyright violations
Can you please take a look at History of the Germans in Poland's history page [9]? There was some sketchy looking unsourced sentences which also seemed strangely out of place so I tagged a few of them with 'citation needed' tags. When the editor who put them in added the sources, I checked them and sure enough, a whole bunch of them were verbatim copy-pastes from copyrighted sources (since they were not even attributed originally, they were not just copyvios but straight up plagiarism). I checked about five different sources so this isn't limited to just copying one. And of course the editor insists on restoring the copyvios.
Right now I don't have time to look through the editor's other contribution but if it's so blatant here I'm sure there's plenty more. Please also see the note I left on his/her talk page [10]. Thank you.VolunteerMarek10:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
