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August 5

Regarding FLC and FAC

Are you allowed to have an FLC and an FAC open at the same time; in which you are the sole nominator of both? Thanks, TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how a page can be both an article and a list at the same time. I might be inclined to change when shown an example. I don't see any problem with it. FloBo A boat that can float! 07:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. Let's say I developed List of ... to FL quality, and I also developed Article to FA quality. Can I nominate them both in their respective categories? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I started correcting myself before you replied. See above. FloBo A boat that can float! 07:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the response! TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

data flow diagram

how i can make data flow diagram for an online help desk of a campus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.31.32 (talk) 07:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cresix (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caravanim

Hi, this page was originally called Caravan (Israel). A user blanked and repasted the page to Caravanim, deleting the entire page history. Who do I contact to right the situation? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I reverted the blanking of Caravan (Israel) and tagged Caravanim for speedy deletion as an incorrectly done copy-paste move. Roger (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I contacted the user who blanked the page, suggesting that he ask for consensus on the move before moving anything again. Yoninah (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Such a move is in any case against the rules "caravanim" is simply the plural of "caravan" thus not allowed. So please don't suggest that such a move would ever be allowed. Roger (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 10:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caravan (Israel) has been restored and Caravanim is a now redirect.

Resolved

Roger (talk) 13:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

HOW DO I GET A PAGE ABOUT ME ON WIKIPEDIA?

CAN YOU TELL ME PLEASE,I AM POET ARTIST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.42.238 (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

First don't SHOUT. Second, check WP:GNG whether you meet the criteria. Third, it is better if someone another writes a biography for you, see WP:COI. A good introduction page is WP:WIZARD. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Requested articles - you can ask for someone to write an article on you. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Can redirects be ProDed?

Such as a newly created WP:XNR...(main->Wikipedia, a exemption of CSD R2, but I still think it sucks) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.203.139.100 (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Your example redirect was created in 2007, and it does not make sense to PROD categories. If it fails one of the listed points at WP:CSD, then put the appropiate banner at the top of the page. I don't understand why you want to remove it, and the text in brackets does not make sense. I feel it does not do any harm and is very useful to avoid typing so much. Please be more specific. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstood me. The redirect I mean is Criticism of Wikipedia which is a Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect(WP:XNR), not the WP:XNR redirect itself. I think it's a bad idea to redirect Criticism of Wikipedia to Wikipedia:Criticisms but IPs are even not allowed to nominate a RFD.221.203.139.100 (talk) 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you post it on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion? Since this is likely to be semi-controversial, a proper debate is better than PRODding. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Prod" refers to Wikipedia:Proposed deletion which says: "Proposed deletion is only applicable to mainspace articles, lists, and disambiguation pages; it cannot be used with redirects". Criticism of Wikipedia has now been nominated with another deletion procedure called RfD but what makes you think IPs are not allowed to nominate at RfD? I see IP nominations at WP:RFD and haven't seen it claimed anywhere that it's disallowed. If your problem is that you don't know how to edit a redirect to place the deletion tag then see Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or make it into an article. Perhaps WP:RFD#HOWTO should explain it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

How to clarify this?

In case it is unreasonable to explain something that is unclear without an explanation and where starting a separate article would not be appropriate, should that simply be left in the article as is even if it is not understandable from the context of the article and can only be understood when looking at the original source? I am talking about H_p at Wieferich prime#Alternative definition. I don't think creating an article about this set would be appropriate, but explaining it in detail in the section also seems inappropriate to me. Can I get some advice on how to proceed? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that creating an article about this set would be not appropriate. This suggests to me that the "alternative definition" should be omitted, as without a specification of the set, it is not a definition. Maproom (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I could include the complete definition of the set given at p.332 of the paper in the section of the Wieferich prime article. But I don't really know whether there is a guideline against this or not. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Btw. I can move this discussion to the talk of WikiProject Mathematics if that would be considered a better place for this discussion. However the question is kind of a general question about editing Wikipedia, since something similar could also occur in nearly any other subject area I guess, so I came here in the first place. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Starmania (TV series)

Hello all. I've added a deletion tag to this article. Can you please delete it? The Starmania does not exist in the Austrian TV channels anymore. There is a new show called Helden von Morgen. 91.119.140.182 (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A user called Puffin (talk · contribs) deleted the tag. You might want to discuss it with him. Never mind; IP was blocked. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I would like to recreate an article

Hello,

my article was just deleted as being an advertising material - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Donecollective. Indeed, I created an article presenting our company, however I did not include any link to our website only to other articles on wikipedia. I would like to propose a revised article with no links at all. You can add links yourself where you think it is appropriate.

Below, I'm posting the revised article. Please advise if it is OK for inclusion or I have to change it again:

The (clearly promotional) article
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
DoneCollective LLC is an innovative web design company based in Alexandria, Virginia. It was created in 2010 by Ivan Yordanov and Ivaylo Bobchev. Unlike many other companies, DoneCollective LLC is accredited by the Better Business Bureau. Technology DoneCollective LLC uses the latest industry technologies like HTML 5, CSS 3, jQuery 1.7 to guarantee reliability and cross browser compatibility of the created websites. Services The company provides services in the following areas: web design print design corporate identity search engine optimization copywriting Software DoneCollective provides in-house build content management system - Done CMS. Every clients of the company can use Done CMS for free. Clients The company provide services to personals, small businesses and corporations from all over the world. DoneCollective LLC has worked for SubcommPools, Vitaslim, Ebonit Light, Sarafovo Sea Club and etc.

Thanks!

DoneCollective

Donecollective (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If the previous article had the exact same wording as this, it would definitely have been deleted as it is a promotional article with no sources. It might not even be notable according to our standards. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I've also left you a note on your user talk page about your username. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

BIO on CLAUDE RAINS

I noticed on "CAST MEMBERS" that some names were in black type and could not be clicked on. Why is this? d

PS Should my e-mail be shown on the page please ignore it. It has been on this old p/c for over a year. Myself & Windows 98 cannot remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.127.8 (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. The reason you can't click on some of the names is that they either don't have Wikipedia pages about them, or they haven't been linked to their page yet. If you find that some of those people do in fact have pages on Wikipedia, you can link their name to it by putting their name between brackets like so: [[name of person here]]. Topher385 (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Help with finding a journal article

I'm having some difficulty finding a journal article I'd like to cite in a future article. This page at the Global Nonviolent Action Database cites: Balaguer, L. “Fighting for Freedom.” International Affairs. No.8, Vol.8, 1962, page(s): 76-78. 27 Nov 2009. I have access to International Affairs on JSTOR through my university, but under 1962 it only lists Nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4 of Volume 38. The earliest available volume is 20, which is dated 1944. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It might be that your university's subscription to that journal only grants it access to those particular issues, which I have personally experienced at my own university in the past. You might check with your university library, and they might be able to petition another library to get the particular article you want. Topher385 (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I tried nearly any search method I am aware of and found nothing on the web except at the link you provided. The articles listed at [1] under International Affairs are all untitled, perhaps one of those is the the article you are looking for. I suggest you try one of the contact options at Contact JSTOR and ask them about the article. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 22:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

There is a Russian monthly magazine/journal that is also called International Affairs: [2]. Since they first published in 1954, it's plausible that their volume 8 would date to 1962; I suspect that that may be the source you're looking for. Note that the journal was founded by (and retains links to) the Soviet (now Russian) foreign ministry; a certain editorial slant may be expected. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Found it! It is indeed the Russian publication, and the article costs $17.95 from East View Information Services, but from the preview it reads like propaganda ("In the course of these heroic actions in whose organisation the Communist Party played a decisive role the Spanish working class won a brilliant victory"), so it's no great loss. Thanks everyone! – Arms & Hearts (talk)

Someone at resource exchange might be able to get the full article. The preview might not be representative of the whole thing. RudolfRed (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be exclusively on a one-off purchase basis – you make an account for free and then shell out per article. I guess it's possible someone might be able to access a paper copy or it might be on other databases, but for the time being I think I'm going to shelve the project. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 00:27, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Problems with Bulla Kutta Page

I am noticing there is a problem with the page Bulla Kutta.. One individual keeps deleting the infobox and putting up multiple photos of their own dog. I personally don't think that a wikipedia page needs to have multiple images of the same dog. I have put the infobox back on the page like 4/5 times now and everyday i come back on and this individual has deleted it again.. There is 3 editors involved on this page, i am simply putting the info box back and removing multiple images, but the other 2 individuals are just deleting each others edits. I am not sure how to handle this i have posted on the disscussion page about removing the info box and posting multiple images of the same dog but nobody seems to care.. Not sure if i am even posting this in the right spot or not. But maybe a more advanced editor could address this issue as i am not sure how. Thank your for you time. --Ltshears (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you GreatOrangePumpkin for helping with the Bully Kutta Page.. --Ltshears (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Narula Institute of Technology

I am a student of the above college. The article says that the placement record in the college is excellent and also boasts about other false things. The fact is that the placement and infrastructure of the college is poor. There is a certain user ( not taking names) who seems to remove any edits that are not good about the college. Is there any mechanism by which i can show the ground reality. Many students are fooled into the wrong facts stated by this user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvindkejriwal (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean Theopolisme, who made this edit, or do you mean someone else? Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Why does {{ESp|m}} expand to the wrong message?

I'm not good with templates, so I need some help with {{ESp|m}} not expanding correctly. According to the docs, this is supposed to produce the same "move" message as {{EP|m}}, but instead it is expanding to a "this page is not protected" message. Can someone take a look and figure out what's wrong? (also, I tried linking the above with {{ESp}} but it swallows the |m part.

{{EP|m}} becomes this: Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves.

{{ESp|m}} becomes this, but it should be the same as above. Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves.

RudolfRed (talk) 20:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I see the problem, but Template:ESp is protected. I'll add a request for edit there with the exact changes. BigNate37_(T) 04:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

ω Awaiting protected edit at Template talk:EP#ESp switch case fix. BigNate37_(T) 04:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Thank you. RudolfRed (talk) 05:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Fuhghettaboutit took care of it. BigNate37_(T) 06:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Building a new article.

Hi there, I'm new around here and wish to create a brand new article about my science fiction novel series. I'm not technically minded and haven't a clue how to create a wiki page, so I'm asking if there is anyone around willing to do it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeritaKing (talk • contribs) 22:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to tackle it yourself, WP:YFA will help you. Otherwise you can post a request at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Though before you go there, you will probably want to review our guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals. If your writing is self-published and has not drawn a substantial amount of third-party comment and attention, it is likely that your works will not be a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article at this time. It is very difficult to write an encyclopedia-appropriate article without access to a body of independent, reliable sources to provide context and evaluation of a given author's work. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I missed that it would be about the OP's own work. In that case, WP:COI also needs to be read and followed. RudolfRed (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You could also ask here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction. The people there are likely to be knowledgeable. If you do want to request an article, either there or at Requested articles, it will help if you can provide links to reviews or other relevant sources, either in print or on respected independent websites. If your publication isn't reviewed anywhere, it probably isn't suitable for coverage in Wikipedia. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

August 6

Bad link on "List of Futurologists" Page

I was just reading through the "List of Futurologists" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_futurologists) and saw that under George Orwell there was a link (George Orwell - Complete works), to a website (http://www.george-orwell.org/). When I clicked on this Chrome warned me that the website contained malware. I figured that wikipedia wouldn't link me to anything with malware so I told Chrome to proceed however no website loaded and my anti-virus software notified me of several attacks coming from the website. I know this might not be the right place for this and I should probably remove the link but it's past 1am here in the UK and I shouldn't really be up this late anyway with work tomorrow so I don't really want to go through the effort of creating an account or whatever you have to do to edit wikipedia pages so I'm leaving this here hoping that someone will see it and act on it, if it's still there tomorrow evening I'll come back and get rid of it.

Please note I'm not criticising wikipedia, I love this website as one of the cornerstones of the internet, I just don't want someone without internet security to get screwed by whichever genius decided to create a website about George Orwell as a virus host.

Keep up the good work!

Will Trewinnard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.69.49 (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done [3]. This URL was added in 2008[4] so it is likely the site has simply been compromised. BigNate37_(T) 04:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Foundary factory

Dear Sir, I am looking for Foundary Factory in Shah Alam. Is it possible to get a list of the foundary factory? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.129.53.208 (talk) 03:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. - Purplewowies (talk) 03:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP

I recently was accused of an edit war but I was only trying to rvert vandalism. How do I make the reason vandalism on the revert edit page, many thanks: Danjel101 (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I looked over your edits. See WP:VANDALISM. You seem to be using the word vandalism to mean "Something I do not disagree with". Instead, there is a clear disagreement between yourself and another editor over the proper content of an article. Since both of you are acting from a place of trying to make Wikipedia better, neither of you is vandalizing. Since both of you are trying to make Wikipedia better, you need to talk it out on the article talk page. That is what it is for. Stop trying to force your own ideas through, and instead discuss the matter in a civil manner. Give the discussion a few days, and if after a few days it doesn't get anywhere, seek extra help at some place like WP:DRN or WP:3O. Don't rush things. --Jayron32 04:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Location

For cite news, I'd like to find the location where the source was published, but can't find it. Help? Thanks, TBrandley 05:37, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If it is a newspaper, it should be the home city of the paper. What is the name of the source? --Jayron32 05:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. It is for various references. TBrandley 07:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is one example. TBrandley 07:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to write the location... You are simply very nitpicky regarding references; instead you need to carefully re-read the prose. As for your question: Simply search for it everywhere on the site. It is often found at the bottom of a page or in the About page. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 07:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Print publications need places of publication, but citations to online publications are completely different. You'd have to provide the city where the website's servers are located, which would be both extremely difficult to discern and quite irrelevant for someone who's trying to find the source in question, and that's the sole reason that we provide publication information in citations. Nyttend (talk) 12:41, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Though not essential, it can still be useful to know the location of an online source, particularly with a website that covers a certain geographical area or real-world institution, but you don't need to give the server location: instead if you think it's useful, give the city that's the main address of the editorial or publishing staff, or give the geographical focus. (For certain tasks like showing notability we need to know if something has local or international coverage, so having publishing locations is useful.) Only if it's useful, though: if you have trouble finding the location, it's probably not very important. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

List of rail-road related periodicals

May I suggest that it would be rather more belpful to your readers if the countrues were foirst srted by CONTINENT?

The are four A-continent headings plus Europe viz: Africa; Americas; Asia; Australasia; Europe You could split 'Americas' into 'America North' and 'America South' if you so desire.

I am trying to find a magazine dealing with Asian railways and your preent lay-out is something of a hotch potch.

Best wishes - Roger Lascelles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.7.32 (talk) 08:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

A question/suggestion. Why don't you divide your title list first by continent and then by country within each such heading? It would make life much easier for your readers.

eg Africa; America North; America South; Asia; Australasia; Europe.

Best wishes - Roger Lascelles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.7.32 (talk) 08:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

To help other editors the list is here: List of railroad-related periodicals. I think it seems reasonable for someone to categorise it by continent, although some may find the purely alphabetical listing is easier. You could make the change yourself, or ask on Talk:List of railroad-related periodicals or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

What to do if you suspect an editor may be mentally ill or incompetent

What is the correct (and humane) way to handle a situation where one suspects that an editor is mentally deficient in some way and their edits are disruptive? How does one protect WP without harming the dignity (and possibly fragile mental condition) of the person concerned. Roger (talk) 09:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

• Off-wiki. Uncle G (talk) 10:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The essays Wikipedia:Competence is required and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not therapy cover this. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Move Title

Hi for all,

I'm interested to put a correct title in one article (link: EPortuguêse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)).

My question is that possible to put this tiltle "ePORTUGUESe" instead of the actual one "ePortuguêse", to prove this difference check this official website of this world health organization program ( link: http://www.who.int/eportuguese/en/ )

Best regards, Jorge Costa - Portuguese Student of Integrated Masters Degree in Pharmaceutical Sciences — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocostinha (talk • contribs) 13:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The page you cite uses the spelling "ePORTUGUESe" three times and "ePORTUGUÊSe" eleven times, so I don't think you should claim it as evidence for the former spelling. Maproom (talk) 14:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Format?

Today I was introduced to a new Wikipedia page layout. The difference is shocking. I hate it. Biggest grief: it now takes one extra click to get to a search box. It used to be at the top of the page. Any chance you could revert to the old format? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.54.94.24 (talk • contribs)

The layout hasn't changed (for me at least), but you might have temporary problems because the site just recovered from a crash. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 14:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Primary sources

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Is the use of primary sources in Delta Flyer and Animation International appropriate? I ask, because after I tagged Delta Flyer with {{Primary sources}}, another user immediately tagged Animation International with the same template. Are both of those taggings correct? If yes, how should I proceed? Should I try to replace the primary sources with secondary sources (if that is possible)? In case of Animation International, I think the only primary source is cite no 2 (I am not sure about no 3). In case of Delta Flyer, both of the cited sources appear to be primary sources. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You should try to replace them with non-primary sources (and yes,the taggings were correct). Mdann52 (talk) 15:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

So in Animation International, I should replace cite no. 3 then? What I said above is probably false, I don't think cite no. 2 is a primary source (at least I don't think Hong Kong Trade Development Council is controlled by Animation International or vice versa). In Delta Flyer I guess both sources need to be replaced. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User Mdann52 keeps deleting a page I created that needs to be made

• University of Louisville School of Medicine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

To Whom It May Concern:

I am a novice editor to Wikipedia, creating my first article.

Specifically, I am trying to create an article an article for the University of Louisville School of Medicine, one of the earliest M.D. granting institutions in the United States with MAJOR innovations (U of L School of Medicine created the first emergency room, first successful long-term hand transplant). The U of L School of Medicine Page originally just redirected to the U of L page. Mdann52 keeps reverting it back, and I'm such a novice, I don't know how to communicate with him.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ARTICLE! What can I do to at least have an open discussion/vote/what not about keeping it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.172.228 (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

What I suggest you do is create a new section in our article on the University of Louisville. You can discuss your interest on the University's article's talk page, but please don't try to recreate it as a separate article. If at some point it grows disproportionately large at the UL page, it could then perhaps be spun off into a separate article. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Here's the thing though. As the University of Louisville is separate from the University of Louisville School of Medicine, I don't think the "spin off" attitude is a very good one to have. People won't write about the Medical School's culture, elaborate on its accomplishments, etc. because the article is regarding U of L and NOT U of L School of Medicine. In order to see additions regarding U of L's Medical School, you need to have an article where these additions are appropriate. 50.30.172.228 (talk) 17:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If we had a section on the U of L School of Medicine, we could also have a redirect to the subtopic on the U of L page so that users searching for U of L School of Medicine would find the section at the U of L article. BigNate37_(T) 17:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Like I said before, people won't write about the Medical School's culture, elaborate on its accomplishments, etc. because the article is regarding U of L and NOT U of L School of Medicine. Having the medical school as a subsection of the U of L article will engender edits that don't go in depth into the medical school.

Think about it pragmatically. If a person wanted to add details about Arnold Griswold and U of L's role in the creation of the first trauma centers, he/she wouldn't add it to a subtopic of the U of L article. It's way too specific and would be out of place for a general inclusion article. You're never going to get people to write a lot about the School of Medicine without an article for the School of Medicine! The precedent is there for other medical schools -- every single other M.D. granting medical school in the United States has an article except for the University of Louisville. That's a travesty!! You don't just add a subsection to encompass a 175 year old school! Regards, 50.30.172.228 (talk) 17:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

A few suggestions:-

1. STOP SHOUTING - you will not help your case by putting things in capitals
2. Take time to understand Wikipedia's house rules - particularly WP:3RR, WP:RS + WP:NPOV
3. Find some reliable secondary references - not the school's own website, which is prone to be biased
   Has the school received extensive coverage in an independant medical journal? - or on a course comparison website?
   If not, you need to understand the Notability Requirements
   You have included some (fairly vague) references in the talk page, but not on the article page itself
4. Open an account and copy the article to your WP:Sandbox where you can work on it until it is ready for public criticism

Arjayay (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem is, I don't have the time! 50.30.172.228 (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

That's okay; there is no deadline here. If it matters to somebody, they will do the work; if not, no harm is being done. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The Silo - Information Was Removed

Hello, I am inquiring about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silo as I represent thesilo.ca and have been trying for many days (months even) to update our Wikipedia page and add in our content (once again) after it was removed on us for no apparent reason. Almost immediately after I updated the page recently, all of my content was removed and I would like to know why. I don't believe anything we are doing is wrong as we are not trying to remove their content, but just trying to have our content available as well on the wiki page as well. Originally we were listed on Wikipedia first (and our content was removed) and our paper and website have been established since before the other paper as well. Some clarification would be appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Southy24 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The comment for the undo says that the article is about a different paper than the one you are adding info for. RudolfRed (talk) 18:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Our existing article The Silo was created on 4 August 2011, and has always been about a newspaper in Lesotho. It is not "your Wikipedia page", and information about a Canadian publication does not belong on it, which is why it has been removed. If there was an earlier page about the Canadian newspaper, it may have been deleted at some point before this article was created. If you want to write about the newspaper in Canada with the same title, you will need to create an entirely separate article about it, perhaps calling it The Silo (Canadian newspaper) or similar. You can then use disambiguation to differentiate this article from the one about the Lesotho newspaper. However, there are two caveats. First, you will need to demonstrate that the Canadian newspaper is notable enough under Wikipedia's guidelines to be the subject of an article. The general notability guideline is here and the specific guideline for organisations is here; the newspaper must satisfy one of them. Second, if you represent the newspaper then you have a conflict of interest and are strongly discouraged from writing about it on Wikipedia because of our neutrality policy. A couple of possible strategies are to assemble an article and citations and request it be created at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, or to draft it in a user sandbox and seek feedback before going live, declaring your interest as you have done here. Hope this makes things clearer - do ask for further help if you need it. - Karenjc 19:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

<math>\fint</math> in wikipedia

I'm trying to write a formula that includes the LaTeX \fint command. You can see it in here (page 28, left to the "\fint" command. It shows a large f in the size of an integral, which looks like an integral sign ($\int$) with a diagonal line (somewhat like $\angle \!\!\!\!{\color {White}\_\!\_\!\_}$) on it). Wikimedia's LaTeX renderer doesn't support this command, but is there any work around you can recommend? Thanks a million, 79.177.247.64 (talk) 18:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess you'd need to contact the developers for this. I searched some archives for similar problems and found Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 36#Adding symbols to TeX. CBM states there you'd need to file an "enhancement" bug in bugzilla. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The only immediate (and kind of awkward) solution I could think of right now short of filing a bug at bugzilla would be to upload the symbol (or better the entire formula containing the symbol) as an image file and add that at the spot in the article where the formula is supposed to appear (maybe transcluded inside a template). -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Disagreement about using Cite templates

I find myself disagreeing with a fellow editor about the correct way to use Template:Cite in inline references. The other editor is inserting an additional full stop/period between the closing braces of the cite template and the close ref markup {{cite|Source details blah blah}}.</ref> - for further details please see the discussion at Talk:Oscar Pistorius#Punctuation at the end of footnotes. Thanks Roger (talk) 18:41, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Punctuation should be appearing outside the <ref> tags, as appropriate. The references themselves will contain all the requisite punctuation as-is when displayed via {{reflist}}, so you should only be using punctuation in the sentences that is already necessary. BigNate37_(T) 19:14, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I think you're missing the point - the editor concerned is doing this in order to add extra punctuation to the citation itself because he believes the text of the citation should itself be a sentence. Please look at the discussion at the article talk page. Roger (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I did read that discussion. Perhaps my discussion of punctuation in the surrounding text was extraneous; I meant it along the lines of "this is the only punctuation in and around reference tags that you ought to have." No punctuation should be going inside the <ref> tags. BigNate37_(T) 20:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The applicable guideline is WP:CITEVAR: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, or without first seeking consensus for the change." ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

What to do?

Guys, I really need help. The article Religion in Turkey has been temporary fully protected recently, so that the content dispute could be managed. Problem is, the protection requester doesn't want to discuss on the talk page, even after I literally begged. What should I do? I certainly don't want to vandalise Wikipedia by making my changes tommorow (when the protection runs out) without any discussion. Help, please, 109.92.219.199 (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way to ask an administraror the same question? 109.92.219.199 (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If there's no possibility to help me, say so; don't just leave unanswered. 109.92.219.199 (talk) 19:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You just need to be patient. If someone can help you, they will. RudolfRed (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the steps at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Per Wikipedia:Protection policy#Content disputes, you should be discussing the matter and attempting to reach a consensus. Where that fails, the dispute resolution policy will guide you on what steps to take next. BigNate37_(T) 19:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this wasn't helpful, since all the dispute solution ways assume 'extensive discussion on the talk page', which is currently totally avoided by user called Saguamundi. How can I notify Saguamundi that discussion is needed. Can you do that instead of me, since I'm not registered? Btw, it's content dispute, but it also could be user conduct dispute since the particular user keeps reverting (and requesting protection) without any discussion. 178.223.212.72 (talk) 22:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You don't strictly *need* to have discussed it on a talk page (though if it's possible, it's preferred and helpful). You could post to the dispute resolution noticeboard. I did so once without there being a talk page discussion. You could also just start a discussion on the talk page even if the other user won't participate, so that a consensus could be reached on what content should go into the article anyway. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

STRATHAIRD ESTATE ,ISLE OF SKYE

I SPENT A COUPLE OF DAYS TYPEING A STORY ABOUT MY ANCESTORS WHO PURCHASED STRATHAIRD ESTATE IN 1789 ,AND HOW MY LINE OF MACALISTERS WERE DONE OUT OF THE ESTATE BY A GRANDSON OF MY ANCESTORS 2ND MARRIAGE ,WHEN THE MAIN MALE LINE WERE OUT HERE IN AUSTRALIA,PIONEERING GIPPSLAND IN VICTORIA IN 1839.WHEN I FINALLY FINISHED AFTER A COUPLE OF DAYS AND PRESSED THE SEND BUTTON ,A MESSAGE CAME UP THAT SAID THERE WAS AN ERROR,AND TO WAIT .WELL THIS MORNING WHEN I CAME IN TO SEE IF THE ERROR WAS FIXED ,THE PAGE WITH MY STOREY WAS GONE.I WANT TO KNOW IF MY STORY GOT THROUGH AND IS ON THE SITE REGARDING STRATHAIRD. MAX MACALISTER — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAX MACALISTER ESQ. (talk • contribs) 23:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry but it does not look like the page was saved. Your account has made 2 edits, the one above and your feedback. Both were made today. DO you still have a copy of what you wrote? GB fan 00:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Please don't SHOUT! at us. From your description it seems your article is Original Research which means it is unsuitable for Wikipedia. Roger (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

If you leave an edit page open for hours or days, it is quite likely that your session will expire, and you will not be able to save it. If it takes you a long time to create the page, you should save intermediate versions. If you work in your sandbox, nobody will trouble you (unless you commit a copyright violation). However, an article about your ancestors and their history is not acceptable to Wikipedia unless everything in it is referenced to independent reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Víctor Jara

Víctor Jara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Since the page includes a) a listing of songs mentioning Jara b) a listing of theatre works about Jara c) a listing of tribute albums d) listing of documentary films; e) and an artwork by another artist, that you remove artworks (which restore dignity to Jara's life and work) by other artists is absurd, discriminatory, unethical and unprofessional. Rather than removing new or recently added art portraying Victor Jara, there anything should be a listing of art portraying the artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akiva K Segan (talk • contribs) 23:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

We must respect the copyright of the other artists, as well as that of Jara. That's not discrimination, it's common ethics and professionalism. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

August 7

Why do my edits/external links disappear?

I'm just beginning to add information to wikipedia. But the external links that I add disappear after a few hours. I'm not sure why they are being taken down or by whom. For instance, under the listing for Robert Creeley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Creeley), I added an external link to a review of his book Life & Death that was published in The Boston Review (http://bostonreview.net/BR23.5/Gander.html). My external link appears for a few hours and then disappears. Same thing happens with an external link to a review published in The Nation (http://forrestgander.com/roberto%20bolano/index.html) that I added to Roberto Bolano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bolano). These are informational reviews published in renowned journals. What am I getting wrong? Thanks for any advice. 01:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forthgone (talk • contribs)

I looked at the history for Robert Creeley and your edits were removed by Spanglej (talk · contribs) with an edit summary of "rv personal website. Please read WP:EL" You should discuss with them why they removed the links. They also removed the links on Roberto Bolaño. GB fan 01:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB help

How do you make AWB update your signature? Thanks, TBrandley 01:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

In File:Wikify tag removal by Auto Wiki Browser.png notice that the bottom is split into three sections. The middle section has a dropdown menu that says summary at the top. In this image it says clean up and/or fixing typos. You can choose one of the default messages or type in your own. Ryan Vesey 01:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The best venue to ask this is WT:AWB. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Disappearing Box-with-an-Arrow

Look at these two examples of sentences with external links:

For the sentence in question, I found substitutes, based on a great new source that I discovered -- BPC's "Indefensible" white paper here.

For the sentence in question, I found a series of substitutes, based on a great new source that I discovered -- BPC's "Indefensible" white paper here.

On my monitor and browser (IE 8.0.6001.18702), the first sentence ends with a "box-with-an-arrow" diagram and the second one does not. (If what you see if different, read further.) The box is replaced on the second sentence with spaces between the word "here" and the period. This is only for full-screen on a somewhat old (read small) monitor at 100% zoom. If I shrink the page horizontally or increase the zoom factor, the box-with-an-arrow on the first sentence disappears as well.

Both have the same external link, consisting of a left-square-bracket, the URL preceded by an http-colon, one space, the explanatory text and a right-square-bracket. The only difference between the two sentences is the words "a series of". Apparently, the explanatory text must fit on one display line. (If you have too large a monitor, try shrinking the page by pulling the right side closer to the left until the second sentence, but not the first, occupies two lines.)

The real trouble is that this also happens in a citation, such as:

Task Force on Defense Budget and Strategy (June 7, 2012). "Indefensible: The Sequester's Mechanics and Adverse Effects on National and Economic Security". Bipartisan Policy Center. pp. 5, 25. Retrieved August 5, 2012.

The box-with-an-arrow is missing between Economic Security and Bipartisan. Again, on my monitor, full-screen, 100% zoom.

Can you think of anything that would avoid having the box disappear, at least for certain display widths? (And, by the way, what is the official name of the box-with-an-arrow?) --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 02:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's called external link icon. See Help:External link icons. I have heard of this browser issue before but don't know a fix. I see the icon in IE9 but it disappears when I choose compatibility view [5] in IE9. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The icon displays OK for me in Firefox v12.0.--ukexpat (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Production

How do you think Production information for episodes of television? Thanks! TBrandley 02:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you clarify please. Your question seems like a sentence fragment to me. Dismas|^(talk) 03:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, for Game Day (Awake), my article, I am interesting in finding more information for the "Production" section. For this show, since there is no DVD commentary, etc, its hard to find other than a few sentences, and am requesting help for this. Thanks! TBrandley 03:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It may be that there are simply no reliable sources for this information. If so, then the information may not appear in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Categories "Art genres" vs "Art movements"

I was looking for Surrealism under Art genres (which I arrived at by typing WIKI ART CATEGORIES in a search engine) and couldn't find it (but it is under the category Art movements.) I'm just a bit puzzled about the distinction and wonder if these categories should be merged, or at least if there could be some sort of hatnote at the top explaining what the category covers, and suggesting the visitor might instead want to check the other category. Tetsuo (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I have added a see also link to Category:Art movements near the top of Category:Art genres. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Tetsuo (talk) 05:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

for zooming wiki page

how to zoom wikipedia page????the lettes are tooo smaallll.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.70.53 (talk) 06:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Which browser do you have? FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 06:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Ctrl++ or ⌘ Command++ usually works. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Or Ctrl + mouse wheel. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding 2012 mesh terms

2012 mesh terms cannot be updated on wikipedia pages. Please can you rectify it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedeadlynightshade (talk • contribs) 08:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I think this is about MeSH. What goes wrong if you try to update them? Maproom (talk) 09:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Help desk

Help desk

I haven't heard of MeSH before but it appears to be an issue with {{Infobox disease}}. I examined the source code of the infobox. You can add the undocumented parameter MeshYear = 2012 as I did in the second infobox to the right where the MeSH link works. The default year in the infobox is 2011. I don't know whether the default should be changed to 2012. Is there a reason for 2011 or is it just missing a yearly update? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedeadlynightshade (talk • contribs) 15:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Userbox

How do I see all the userboxes I can use?Crystalfile (talk) 12:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

They are all listed in Category:Userboxes, pick the ones you want. Roger (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I want to put option 20 of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_in_Israel on my user page. thank you Crystalfile (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Add this code to your user page: {{User in Israel|20}}--ukexpat (talk) 13:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Missing Article

Dear all,

Apologies for asking what is probably a simple query. I recently submitted an article to be reviewed but now when i log in and click on My Contributions the most recent changes are not listed. I would be grateful for some guidance as to where to find the article so I can make any neccessary alterations. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.231.203.66 (talk) 14:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell us the name of the article and the name of the account or the exact IP adress under which you submitted it? The IP under which you posted your message here did not submit any articles -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:05, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Question about formatting references

Where would I post to ask a specific question about formatting references? In the article suffix tree ther are references of the form "([6] page 92)." Where it uses the same reference but then adds the particular page inline. I'm not sure if it would be better to change it. RJFJR (talk) 15:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The best way to do this is using the cite book template. Mdann52 (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I've asked at Help talk:Citation Style 1 and here, but I don't know if the former is right for this question or not. There's a template where you just cite the whole source normally, then you add the template after the places where you cite it, and it puts something like ^{[Page 19]} in superscript. I've never used it, though. Also, if that's the way it's cited throughout the entire article, you might want to get consensus for the change. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia XML data

Is it possible to get XML data from certain Wiki pages to keep other software up to date on things like world/country population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.230.128.211 (talk) 16:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

You might look at WP:XML. I'm not sure if that's exactly what you want or not (I'm stupid when it comes to this type of thing), but I figured I might as well post it. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that AFAIK there is no automatic mechanism to update such information in Wikipedia, so relying on it in other places may not be a good idea. --ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I figured it out! I guess you can get XML data on world/country population from CIA WorldFactbook. Wiki rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.114.152.9 (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

himalayas

in the himalyan climatic condition soap is used for bathing are not in the himalayas can we use sun glasses — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.133.58.98 (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

TRAIN TO GANDHIDHAM/BHUJ.

'NO TRAINS TO KUTCH DISTRICT OF GUJARAT''''

There is no train service available from Ahmedabad to Bhuj or GandhiDham after morning 06.45 am till night 12 O Clock.CAN INDIAN GOVT(MINISTRY OF RAILWAY) LOOK INTO THE MATTER WHICH WILL BE A GREAT RELIEF FOR THE PEOPLE OF KUTCH DISTRICT.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.38.26.35 (talk) 17:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. If you're having trouble with train service, you'll need to contact someone else. RudolfRed (talk) 18:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

But my, are those weird hours. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 05:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

"sortable" table does not sort

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Film:_An_Odyssey_(table)

The Story of Film - TABLE has columns which are supposed to be sortable. Clicking on the header of the columns does NOT produce a sorted list. HOW do I cause sorting to execute? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.138.228.253 (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

How are you trying to sort them? (Like, what method? Numeric? Alphabetical?) - Purplewowies (talk) 19:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It appears to sort when I click the headings. Can you explain more what problem you are seeing? RudolfRed (talk) 19:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you have JavaScript enabled? BigNate37_(T) 19:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

URGENTLY NEEDS CHANGING

Someone has edits Taylor Swift's Wikipedia page and has said she died on the 28th June 2012, this is obviously not true and I am disgusted that this has been allowed to happen. She has millions of fans around the world and we all agree this needs changing immediately! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.156.76 (talk) 20:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

See below...--ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift is NOT DEAD!!!!! shes alive and well PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change it!!!!!! That IS sssssssooooooooo Wrong D: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.235.208 (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

This, and other, vandalism to the Taylor Swift article has recently been corrected. Maproom (talk) 20:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sir Arthur Edward Trevor Benson Colonial Governor Nothern Rhodesia

The list of Colonial Governors of Northern Rhodesia correctly includes my Grandfather, but the link is to an Arthur Christopher Benson and not the same person at all! I would be really grateful if this could be corrected. My name is Elizabeth Yeld. My mother is Jane Galloway nee Benson who is his younger daughter. 86.173.252.251 (talk) 20:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed - I turned into a redlink with this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Redirection - Iestism

Could someone please (create and) redirect Somethingism, Believer without religion and Belief without religion to Ietsism. 77.46.182.116 (talk) 21:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects? 2001:5C0:1000:A:0:0:0:3D5 (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Question: Are you sure Ietsism is a better target than Spiritual but not religious or Religious pluralism for the latter two? BigNate37_(T) 00:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, since the SBNR rejects the organized religion while ietsism does not and belief is different than spirituality (which is either religious (like prayer) or non-theistic (like meditation)). As for religious pluralism, it seems to be further philosophy of ecumenism (maybe like interfaith dialogue) and syncretism (like Baha'i Faith in Abrahamic clause), or belief beyond religion, but not without it. 217.65.192.104 (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, your point that SBNR rejects organized religion seems to me to make it a more appropriate target for "belief without religion", whereas ietsism is more along the lines of "belief without specificity." I've included SBNR and ietsism in each other's See also sections, since they are related, so a reader would still be presented with both concepts in any event. BigNate37_(T) 01:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have created the latter two as redirects from synonyms, directing them at spiritual but not religious rather than at ietsism. SBNR has 35 1.4 million google hits, whereas ietsism only has 11 thousand. The more common search term should take priority, where a term is applicable to both. I'll stick a hatnote on SBNR. If you disagree you may wish to raise the issue at redirects for discussion. BigNate37_(T) 01:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Qustioned → Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#August 8 93.87.210.14 (talk) 05:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Redirection - Jubilee School

Could someone please (create and) redirect The Jubilee School, Jubilee Institute and The Jubilee Institute to Jubilee School? 77.46.182.116 (talk) 21:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Electric Catfish 22:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

changing/uploading a photograph

I'd like to change a photograph on an article I maintain. I don't know how to upload a photo and then replace the existing photo! (I have tried the upload form but it doesn't seem to go anywhere once I fill it out) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PearlyG (talk • contribs) 22:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi! What you do is just click on that picture in the article you maintain. It will show the page followed by a bunch of copyright information. Down near the bottom of the page, there will be a link that says "Upload a new version of this file". Click it, then you will be able to upload a new version. Hope that helps! :)

ChrisStyles (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I can't find any link - and someone else put the existing photo up, not me. It isn't a bad photo and is from a good event, but is there a way to upload a second photo and add it to the article? p..g.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PearlyG (talk • contribs) 00:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

That is only if you want to replace the photo with a new version. That's not how I read your request. You simply want to upload an additional photo and then replace the one that's in the article with the new one while leaving the original photo on our servers for use in other places.

What you need to do in this situation is go to WP:UPLOAD and upload your photo. Once done there, you would go to the article and find the place where the current image is used. If it's in an infobox, then it should look something like "image = SomeImage.jpg". Simply replace the SomeImage.jpg with the file name of your image that you've just uploaded. Provide an edit summary saying that you're replacing the image, save the article and you're done. Dismas|^(talk) 01:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

That sounds very helpful, thank you. Is it ever acceptable to have two photos within an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PearlyG (talk • contribs) 01:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Certainly. Without looking, I'm sure the article on Earth has many images. If it's justified and not just eye candy then that's fine. If the article is short and would actually be lengthened just by having another image, it's likely not worth it. And some articles even have a WP:GALLERY. But it should be justifiable. It should have a reason. So an article on, for example, Jennifer Aniston shouldn't have a gallery of her face again and again. Meanwhile an article on a precious gem might benefit from a gallery due to the gem coming in different colors and such. Dismas|^(talk) 02:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Avant Garde filmmakers

The link to Saul Levine on the Marjorie Keller (filmmaker) page takes you to the wrong Saul Levine. The correct Saul Levine is an avant-garde filmmaker who was from New Haven, CT. and taught film at Tufts University in the late '60s and early '70s, still teaches at Mass. College of Art and lives in Boston. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:18FE:C3E8:0:21F:F3FF:FEBE:F98E (talk) 22:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I can't find an article on Saul Levine (filmmaker) in Wikipedia, although we do have a Saul Levine (US broadcaster) and a Saul V. Levine (Canadian author). I've pointed this to Saul Levine (filmmaker) as a red link for now. 2001:5C0:1000:A:0:0:0:3D5 (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

My image

Hi,

My image appears in the article on Margaret Thatcher and I am wondering if the picture could be removed. The image is here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lady_Thatcher_at_dinner_2008_crop.jpg. I discussed this on the talk page of the main article and managed to get the caption changed (it did say that Thatcher was "surrounded by Young Conservatives), but I was directed here to see if the picture could be removed. Five years ago my friend's parents, who are Conservative councillors, asked if I could help out at local council event. They knew that I was interested in politics and knew that I was a Labour supporter, but said that the event would be interesting whatever your political stripes. I got to the event and it was very Conservative, but it was still quite interesting to talk to people with different views. I didn't want to be rude so I helped out and poured drinks as agreed. The other helpers (I don't know if they were Young Conservatives) and I were fed, and then this picture was taken. Now, I am not and have never been a Conservative and could not have anticipated this photo finding its way onto Wikipedia. The whole experience was quite surreal and Mrs Tatcher was old and frail, and I think that it would have been very rude to make a fuss about not having my picture taken with her. Now, I am actually about to finish my masters and I'm interesting in getting a job in progressive politics, and I'm worried this might really obstruct my efforts. Mrs. Thatcher is a very controversial and divisive figure and I never actually consented to have my image associated with her on the internet in this way. I realise that you cannot totally manage your image on the internet and I recognise that wikipedia is a about sharing information - and I appreciate the great work that you do. But given that this photo adds nothing of great substance to the article, has not received the consent of those in it (my friend is also in it and I know that she has not consented for her image to be used in this way), and could have quite unfortunate consequences, do you think that it could be taken down? It could even be replaced by a far less controversial image by the some Author from the same source (I've checked and there is one).

Sorry to be a bother and thank you for your time. Ogwikitem (talk) 23:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I sympathise with your position - but that, unfortunately, is not a reason for removing the picture. However I also feel that the picture detracts from, rather than improving, the article, and am inclined to remove it (I am an admirer of her achievements). Just above it there is a picture of her aged 80, among eminent politicians, so we don't need another of her, aged 82, surrounded by anonymous teenagers. What do others think? Maproom (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Well as for what consensus might be, the discussion has already been started on the talk page (see Talk:Margaret Thatcher#Incorrect and inappropriate photo). Ogwikitem was sent here to see what else could be done rather than to do some forum shopping; to that end, a look into dispute resolution might be advised (with the dispute resolution noticeboard being a likely next stop). However if Ogwikitem feels that this is a personality rights issue rather than a content dispute issue, s/he ought to contact WP:OTRS regarding the image itself (my advise is do not bother complaining about its use in the article but rather object to the image directly, as you are not the article's subject). I do not know how OTRS will view this matter, but I do know that they are rather prompt. BigNate37_(T) 01:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

August 8

Jacob Michelson

Dear admin,

I need help on this URL. Jacob Michelson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Jacob Michelson has been deleted by A7 with a post of No explanation of the subject's significance. I wanted to edit this name to Jacob Yasha Michelson and put him back on wikipedia with a post of everything he has done so far

Is this possible and what are the next steps I need to take?

He is the producer of Sonhos de Peixe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Also a founder of a dance technique.

I do hope you can help me to put his name (edited) back on Wikipedia to put his name back on Wikipedia.

Thank you.

Nathalie

108.250.226.17 (talk) 00:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You can follow the step at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Dismas|^(talk) 01:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see our notability policy, which explains what we mean by asserting subject significance. If you wish to dispute deletion of the article, Wikipedia:Deletion review is what you're after (as Dismas pointed out). To start over on a new article about the subject, you may wish to look into Wikipedia:Articles for creation. BigNate37_(T) 01:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

New Page

I was wondering if you knew how to create a whole new page? If there isn't a button, that is. Like, for example, there are already about 4-5 pages on Wikipedia about Creature Feature, but there isn't a page about the band Creature Feature. I wanted to create a page about the band Creature Feature, but I don't see any buttons or anything to create a page about the band, not edit the page about the comic strip, or the TV Show, or the episode, or the movie. Can you help me out?— Preceding unsigned comment added by SweetandSadistic (talk • contribs)

You need the confirmed or autoconfirmed userright to create pages. If you do not wish to wait until you have fulfilled the requirements to be autoconfirmed, You may use articles for creation to start your new article. (I'm not sure if non-autoconfirmed users have their own sandbox, but if you see a "my sandbox" link along the top of your screen, you may start a draft article there, as well). Before you start your article, please have a look at WP:BAND and make sure that band is notable enough to support inclusion in Wikipedia. Good luck. BigNate37_(T) 01:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

So it turns out that the userright requirement to create pages was removed... in 2007. Shows how long I've been hiding under my rock for. (Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit, for pointing this out to me.) To manually start a page about that band, search for Creature Feature (band) in the search bar, and click the red link if the search does not find a page for the band already (it will say "You may create the page 'Creature Feature (band)', but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered," that is where your red link will be). Adding (band) to the end of the title is our standard way to disambiguate between a band and other topics with the same name. You can also wikilink the term Creature Feature (band) and click that red link, or you can manually visit that page by editing the URL in your browser. BigNate37_(T) 02:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Both WP:ACCOUNT and WP:CREATE say that you must be registered to create an article, so I'm not sure that that Signpost page is correct. RudolfRed (talk) 06:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Registered, yes, but they do not indicate requiring any specific userright, such as confirmed or autoconfirmed. BigNate37_(T) 06:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael Blakey

Michael Blakey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

why am i having trouble with an article that i started a couple of years ago? due to some bad edits, the article is now in question of notability and may be pulled but it is only due to someone editing 90% of it out today. help?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastermusicgenius (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia's rules have changed over time, and this BLP currently has no independent in-depth coverage that verifies the individuals's notability. Dru of Id (talk) 03:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Review

Hi there, I am new and here to request that other editors review my new article Brady Wilks. I got a note immediately contesting my article to be deleted and I wanted to know what else I needed to do in regards to references validity etc. I would also like to add photographic process articles that have not been written yet, some related to my current article. I appreciate the feedback and help on my journey into editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stirfriedpenguin (talk • contribs) 04:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the reason the article was tagged was because the person does not seem to be notable. The general notability guideline states, Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. (simplified, taken from WP:42). So you need sources to assert notability. Examples of reliable sources include well-known newspapers like the New York Times, magazines or Web content with editorial oversight. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 05:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

famous residents frankfort indiaba

• LT Gen Jay Kelley, USAF
• Brig Gen James W. Lucas, USAF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.90.23 (talk) 05:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

This is the help desk to ask questions on how to use Wikipedia. If you want to make an edit request, request it at the talk page of the article in question. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 06:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

basic skills wiki

i was wondering what i would have to do to get a compiled database of skills required to build and maintain a semblance of civilization should suddenly the world turn on its head. Things like composting, ore types and smelting, basic mining, bicycle repair, how to build a battery and many other things that would be compact enough for the average person to download and store on their computer. The option for a basic printout would also be fantastic Zainal77 (talk) 06:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. BigNate37_(T) 07:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

If you're talking about compiling information from Wikipedia, you should check out WP:Books. You can create your own book with Wikipedia articles that you would like to include. There are a couple of types of files that you can save to your computer (PDF, OpenOffice), and these can be printed. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

One Ton Cup in English

Good morning,

I spent the whole day editing the One Ton Cup English web site yesterday. I translated the Existing French One Ton Cup website and put it on the English website which was initially very succinct. When I went to the English website this morning, everything had disappeared. Could you please tell me why?

Please find below the links to both the French and English Website: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Ton_Cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Ton_Cup

Looking forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.201.53 (talk) 07:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems two editors have edited the article since you finished. Arctic Kangaroo restored content you had deleted, and then undid his own edit with the edit summary "deleted unnecessary content", then Pinethicket removed more with the edit summary "[remove] copy and paste, unsourced and without attribution". I'm not sure who, if either (or both) removed your translation. You might want to discuss the matter with them on their talk pages: Arctic Kangaroo's and Pinethicket's. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Editing my watchlist

I have been trying to edit my watchlist. When I click on "View and edit watchlist", I get a Wikipedia error page. When I click on "Edit raw watchlist", I get a blank page. I have nearly 24,000 pages on my watchlist, so that might have something to do with it. However, with that many pages, I don't remember all of them. If I did, I could type them in individually, and unwatch them that way. How can I rectify this error right now, and how can I prevent this in the future? Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 09:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It will take a long long time but you could start clicking on articles in your watchlist and clicking on the star at the top of the article to unwatch it. Dismas|^(talk) 10:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Rollback feature

Please, may someone with rollback feature check 188.10.99.4 (talk · contribs). (S)he did some unexplaind and unreference statistics edits on Religion in Germany and Religion in the Netherlands. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 08:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Please, reply!!! 93.87.210.14 (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Broken link

What to do when the link, crucial to the article's integrity, is non-existent, a.k.a. broken? 93.87.210.14 (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you be more specific by maybe pointing out the article in question and what kind of link you're referring to? Dismas|^(talk) 10:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It's Religion in Turkey. Major KONDA's survey is compromised, and some, if not the most, references don't contain the written informations. For example, reference 8 doesn't confirm anything written in the particular paragraph (about 130 words). I just wanted to raise the dispute here, since the discussion on WP:DRN leads nowhere. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

death of Aurangzeb

He died at ahmednagar. There is a place called Alamgir 1 or 2 km away from Ahmednagar on Bhingar road. There is also a burial place where it is believed that Aurangzeb was buried. Some also say that some part of his body is buried there as he died at that place and his remains were taken to Khuldabad to be buried near his guru's burial place. This was told to me when I had visited the place when in college. May I request you to check the correctness of the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.193.203 (talk) 10:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)