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April 26

WW1 Military Cross Recipients

My grandfather Harold Methven Musson was awarded the Military Cross and gazetted in the London Gazette on 18 July 1917, yet he is not included in the list of recipients within Wikipedia. I have tried to edit the page but have been unable to do so. How do I get his name added to the list of recipients? Regards, KennardJim — Preceding unsigned comment added by KennardJim (talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but we don't try to list every recipient of awards like this (there are over 48,000 MC holders). The list contains those people who are notable in some other way, and warrant a Wikipedia page of their own. Rojomoke (talk) 05:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are we talking about the very short list in Military Cross or is there some other list that I haven't found? The list at Military Cross#Notable awards does not even include every recipient who has a Wikipedia article. Spinning Spark 12:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A list of every MC recipient with a Wikipedia article would be at least 1,283 names long. Such a list would be very unwieldy, and merely duplicate the category entries. - Arjayay (talk) 15:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't suggest there should be such a list. I'm just trying to establish which list the OP was referring to. Spinning Spark 16:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no match

when i come into the accounts sign in page my email address is not matching my new email address so therefore i have to type in my new email address every time before typing my password in. will this ever change automatically so i won't have to type in each time. everywhere else in the system seems to have changed but not here. i have received emails from you confirming my new address. please advise and help me to get this showing correctly tonight will be three nights since the new address has been given to you. thankyou! ≠≠≠≠ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.125.170.166 (talk) 06:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

did you try signature. Maz132 (talk) 06:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't fully understand your request. You are not required to provide your e-mail address when logging in to Wikipedia, so whatever you are looking at, it is not our login page. There is a space for providing an e-mail address when creating an account, but this is only optional, and you only need to do it once, you should not be creating a new account every time you edit. Once logged in, you can change your e-mail address under your preferences. Spinning Spark 12:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Article

poster has been blocked as sock evading the block of a self promoting SPA -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi, I am written an article but could not save page due to unconstructive and filter on the person of interest. I would like the block and filter removed, if possible?Maz132 (talk) 06:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maz132 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Pages that have been creation-protected are sometimes referred to as 'salted'. Contributors wishing to re-create a salted title with more appropriate content should contact an administrator (look for one who was previously involved) or use the deletion review process." Maproom (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

IP address

I am just curious to find out if it is actually possible to see if two users (verified users/editors) share the same IP address?--Catflap08 (talk) 07:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It can only be seen by a Wikipedia:CheckUser. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you want to know whether two registered users share the same IP address? If two members of the same household both edit Wikipedia, they should both have their own accounts. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, there's no "should" about it: while there are advantages to having an account, there is absolutely no requirement on an editor to have one. --ColinFine (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that the "should" is that they cannot share the registered account, so it is valid for them to both have accounts and use the same IP address. Sharing of an account is not permitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

People who go to the same school or college or use computers at the same library would also have the same IP address for Wikipedia edits, and they might not even be aware of each other.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Displaying a particular page number of a DJVU file (of a book) as a thumbnail

*The Fortunate Union: A Romance*, an 1829 translation by John Francis Davis

At Haoqiu zhuan I want to display a particular page number of File:Fortunateuniona00davigoog.djvu - Instead of the Google page, I want to show the cover, on page 11.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 09:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@WhisperToMe: Page parameter can be used. For example, [[File:Fortunateuniona00davigoog.djvu|thumb|page=11|''The Fortunate Union: A Romance'', an 1829 translation by [[John Francis Davis]]]] will render the image on the right. --Glaisher [talk] 12:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When multiple P41 values exist, how to retrieve the correct one

When using {{#property:p41}} in a template or on a page, it returns the name of the flag image of a country/state/..., but in the case of country United States it returns:
Flag of the United States.svg, US flag 49 stars.svg, US flag 48 stars.svg
Three file names! In this case {{#ifexist:media:{{#property:p41}}|[[File:{{#property:p41}}{{!}}35px{{!}}]]}} has a false condition and does not show a flag image. A difference with other countries (and other geographicals) is the presence of a start date and an end date. So to solve my problem, I need to access the one with the highest start date or the one witout an end date in case of multiple values for P41. But I also need to get the ones that have no start/end date in case of a single value for p41. What can I do? --FredTC (talk) 14:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to post this at WP:VPT. Editors there are likely to be much more knowledgable on technical template issues. Spinning Spark 14:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have posted it there. --FredTC (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suitable reference source

Hi. I'm currently working on the Scientology in Australia page. Is this a suitable url for the following reference?

Crawford, Wayne (2 August 1982). "Scientology makes its move for an 'all-clear'". The Mercury. Hobart. p. 7.

I quite often come across copies of new articles in strange places, but I tend to ignore them as potentially suspect. Should I not be?

(The archive on the paper's website only goes back a few years. There's the Australian National Archive but that stops in 1954 for this paper.)

Is this the right place to ask this, or should I post it somewhere else - I've not worked out what to ask where yet? Thanks for your help. —Otus scops (talk) 15:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You should have been able to get an answer here. However, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard might be a better place. I'm not a good judge of whether something is acceptable or not.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:24, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Vcimpanzee. I'll go and ask over there.--Otus scops (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How to change user name

Can anyone help a newbie to change my user name from AlphaCaptureTechnology to Alpha Capture Technology (just adding spaces between words) Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:FFC0:13:DDC:AE4:4603:3544 (talk) 15:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Changing username and then make a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. Spinning Spark 16:02, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that changing the spelling of a user name will circumvent the issue that has caused the user name to be blocked as an organizational name. You should change it to something else. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citing tv episodes

Is it possible to cite tv episodes? There does not seem to be anything in the citation templates regarding them. GiraffeBoy (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Reliable sources#Definition of published. Spinning Spark 16:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See also {{Cite episode}}, which can help with the formatting. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

sign previous edit

First I made an edit on a talk page using my ip address. I have made an account now. Is it allowed to sign my message again with 4 times ~? So that others know that was me. Should I remove the old signature? Grt36YD69kSUCph8lA40sqDbHsrreVxp (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

you may. if you have only made one or two edits while logged out, you may wish to contact the WP:OTRS team to have them oversight the edits to maintain your privacy/suppress the link between your IP and your account. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Articles_for_deletion/Death_of_Allen_Ross

Death of Allen Ross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Death_of_Allen_Ross

something wrong here, no replies at all? Mosfetfaser (talk) 17:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ta User:Spinningspark, sorted - Mosfetfaser (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Something is wrong here. Is the article whose deletion is being discussed Death of Allen Ross or Dana Nuccitelli? There had been a deletion nomination for Death of Allen Ross, but it now has a link to an empty AFD page which was moved to an AFD page for Dana Nuccitelli, which was then speedy-deleted. I think that admin action may be necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A ten dollar donation to Wikipedia

Hi. A while ago I donate $10 to wikipedia because I used it frequently. However, over the last 4-5 years I have seen an increasingly vitriolic slant against anything alternative under the guise of "objectivity". I no longer find wikipedia useful. I would also like to suggest, based on the increase in popularity of natural medicine and alternative modalities among people of all education levels, that moderators either revert to true objectivity (i.e. impartial respect for major viewpoints) or cease the use of the tag line "The Free Encyclopedia." While it is not reasonable to expect a refund of my $10, wikipedia has likely seen it's last donation from me. K. Pentland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.150.157 (talk) 18:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia's policies around this kind of thing are exactly spot-on and correct. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals - that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately.

"What we won't do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of 'true scientific discourse'. It isn't." -- Jimmy Wales, earlier this year.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the commenter, and my comment is about Jimmy Wales's apparent line on views like his which you quote above. There has always been bias against alternative and so-called "natural" medicine for that very reason, the perceived lack of scientific evidence underpinning it, i.e. evidence produced through replicable scientific experiment, but lack of formal proof does not mean that all alternative medicine must necessarily be suspect, much of it is very effective and has been for centuries, and who are Wikipedia to judge when the promoter of a particular type of alternative medicine is a lunatic charlatan? It is a very difficult judgment for non-medical people to make. Even expert pracititioners of some alternative treatment modalities are not sure how they work, they only know that they do. I think Wikipedia are playing safe by following the line taken by conventional medicine that there must be always be scientific underpinning, and who can blame them, for how can non-experts possibly judge these matters? But playing safe will inevitably lead to discrimination against alternative medicine, without good enough reason in my view. (I would never go so far as to say that Wikipedia are bowing to pressure from Big Pharma on this, though I can imagine some might say it.) I think Wikipedia should be completely impartial in its treatment of alternative medicine and cover all alternative therapies on its pages. If there are any doubts about a particular therapy being described in an article, there is nothing to stop the article expressing the reservations that may be held about it by those who are known to have doubts about it. That would be true impartiality, and would not leave gaps in Wikipedia that might lead some to question Wikipedia's impartiality and reputation as a good encyclopaedia. Could this perhaps be put to Jimmy Wales? --P123cat1 (talk) 20:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting thoughts! A bit beyond the scope of the help desk though... 20:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, rather stupid of me to post them on the Help Desk! Is there any way of getting the message across to someone in Wikipedia who has control over which articles are and are not accepted? It seems from Jimmy Wales's comments that Demiurge1000 quoted that Wikipedia is blocking articles on alternative therapies to some degree. --P123cat1 (talk) 11:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia community has control over which articles are accepted and which articles are not accepted. --Glaisher [talk] 11:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, where is the appropriate place for me to put across the concern I expressed in my comment, i.e. that Wikipedia seems to frown on articles being submitted on alternative therapies? I have given reasons why I think this is wrong, and I would like the community to see them. I can copy and paste my comment wherever you say is appropriate. I hope you can help out. --P123cat1 (talk) 14:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine may have the answer.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will try that! --P123cat1 (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Compressed natural gas

The article Compressed natural gas contains an external link to the website of a private company, J-W Power Company, which is in that line of business. Is this appropriate? Librsh (talk) 21:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not. WP:ELNO Thanks for pointing it out!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed a redlink to non-existing page for that company as well. Jarkeld (talk) 21:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 27

Padlock

I usually see a padlock next to the titles of pages. What does it mean? --Sonusmarty (talk) 04:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)Sonusmarty[reply]

You could click on the lock for an explanation, I believe. Or see WP:PROTECTION. Dismas|^(talk) 04:32, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean this compared to this? The first uses http and the second uses https. --Otus scops (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean a padlock next to the url in your browser address bar then it's added by your own browser because it's a https address like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk. Many browsers used to display a favicon there but that has apparently gone out of fashion. See Favicon#Limitations and criticism. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mythology and related problems.

Dear Wikipedia people,

I do want to question in the widest sense the concept of the common use of Mythology. The Merriam Webster dictionary defines the word myth as such:

myth noun \ˈmith\

an idea or story that is believed by many people but that is not true

It would be deeply insulting to talk about Christian Mythology, Jewish Mythology or Islamic Mythology but yet we allow ourselves to talk about Norse Mythology. This is a religion (not mine but bear with me) that is in active practice and very similar to Hinduism in shape. It would indeed create an uproar were Wikipedia to speak of Hindu Mythology. Let´s treat all alike with same respect and stop talking of Governments and Regimes which in itself is loaded with opinion shaping elements.

Tolli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.161.30 (talk) 05:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"myth" and "mythology" does not imply false. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myth actually gives three definitions where you only quoted the first:

: an idea or story that is believed by many people but that is not true

: a story that was told in an ancient culture to explain a practice, belief, or natural occurrence

: such stories as a group

See also mythology. And we have articles about all your examples: Christian mythology, Jewish mythology, Islamic mythology, Norse mythology, Hindu mythology. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This page is for help in editing Wikipedia, so your posting is not really on topic here. If you want to argue that Wikipedia should change the way it talks about something, the best place is on the talk page of the subject (eg Talk:Mythology, or if it is more general than one article, find a suitable WikiProject and discuss it there). But you should be aware that Wikipedia's policy is to use the terms for things most often used in reliable sources. Unless you can show that different terminology is in widespread use outside Wikipedia, you have very little chance of getting it accepted inside Wikipedia. Wikipedia is explicitly not for new ideas or new approaches, but only for those that have already been published. --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Costly" in school-district athletic programs

There is obviously a "template" used when entering school districts. Part of that "template" is the use of this opening entry:

"**** School District offers a wide variety of extracurriculars, including clubs, organizations and an extensive, costly sports program."

"Costly" is an opinion. And not all sports programs are extensive. Should this be an option for a templated entry? Jrshooter (talk) 07:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are jumping to conclusions. Your contributions show you have removed "costly" from three Pennsylvania school districts. Use the page history to find when it was added. It appears User:Raindrop73 is manually editing a lot of Pennsylvania school districts and has added "extensive, costly sports program" to some of them. If you disagree then you can contact that editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jrshooter, I think you are right to delete these, and it is up to the user who added them to discuss it with you if they don't accept your deletion. In my view, an evaluative term like "costly" violates the principle Neutral point of view, and should never appear in a Wikipedia article unless it has been used in a reference being cited. --ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, I'm more in line with ColinFine on this. The conclusion I'm jumping to is that "costly" is evaluative and not backed up by facts. Also, I'm seeing that User:Raindrop73 appears to no longer be active. So how do I arrange to get a manual, repetitve edit changed? I don't have enough hours in the day to edit every school-district entry in Pennsylvania.Jrshooter (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I meant you jumped to the conclusion that it was added indiscriminantly by a template. And you are still jumping to conclusions by talking about "every school-district entry in Pennsylvania" after I already said that Raindrop73 added it to "some of them". And I meant that if you want to prevent "template" additions like this, your apparent reason for posting here at all, you can contact Raindrop73 who is actually very active. Special:Contributions/Raindrop73 shows 33 edits today. I don't object to removing it from three articles you came by without contacting the editor, but if you plan a mass removal then discussion is best. You could start by asking whether it's added to random schools or to schools with sports programs significantly more extensive and costly than usual. I don't know Raindrop73's criteria and haven't examined the programs but it's possible that Raindrop73 has. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PrimeHunter, if you believe he was "examining" the schools before posting the same thing time after time, you go right ahead and believe that. But before you do that, I'd appreciate if you would spell out just how to contact Raindrop73, because I see no route to him right now. --Jrshooter (talk) 22:03, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith from other editors, as you are actually required to do by Wikipedia policy. Don't bandy around accusations unless you actually have some evidence, such as a link to this fictitious template you are determined to believe exists. Anyway, you contact users by posting on their talk page, in this case at User talk:Raindrop73. By the way, you are completely wrong that they are inactive, their edit history shows that they are very much active. Spinning Spark 22:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I long ago conceded on the "template" thing. You two are the ones hung up on that. But I'm not about to assume good faith when the same thing is posted on multiple (NOT ALL!) pages, the same way. Not even Wikipedia policy can force that, although I see how you might think it can mold minds. No response required; I know what to do now. Thank you. :) Jrshooter (talk) 22:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how you can jump from 'I don't know Raindrop73's criteria and haven't examined the programs but it's possible that Raindrop73 has' to 'if you believe he was "examining" the schools before posting the same thing time after time, you go right ahead and believe that'. It's hard to have a meaningful conversation when you make jumps like that so I will stop here. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely no problem with you stopping here if you don't understand me. I think it's been addressed sufficiently through proper channels. --Jrshooter (talk) 22:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright for cover art of book published 1996

I am being asked by the bot for copyright information on the cover art of a book I uploaded. The book is published by Zoetic Inc

the Copyright belongs to Felicity Bielovich

jacket design DesignGeist jacket illustration by Jenny Dolezel

Please advise me on what tags to use — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewHart500 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The template should be {{Non-free book cover}} but you must also provide a fair use rationale for every article you use the image in. You can use the template {{Non-free use rationale}} for this. See this example of how to fill in the template. Please make sure that the image you upload is low-resolution (no more than necessary to display in the article). Spinning Spark 09:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You were somewhat premature in uploading File:Judas Window.jpg. It is liable to be deleted as it has no {{non-free use rationale}}, and as it isn't being used on an article. Non-free use isn't allowed on a draft. If/ when your draft get accepted as a published article, you can then use such an image under a properly-completed NFUR. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Logging in

Sometimes when I log in to Wikipedia and ask to be kept logged in for up to 30 days, this does not work and I have to keep logging in every time I wish to edit or go to my user page. Why is this? What am I doing wrong? --P123cat1 (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is most likely an issue with the way your browser is storing the cookie that Wikipedia tries to store to keep you logged in. This can be caused by the current cookie becoming corrupted. You can test it by trying a different browser. Clearing the cookies of your current browser may fix the issue altogether. Dismas|^(talk) 11:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Nearing

Thanks for the above reply to my query about logging in.

I now have a query about an edit that I have made to the Wikipedia article on Helen Nearing. I have added footnote #2 as a cross-reference to the Wikipedia article on Helen and Scott Nearing, which has duly appeared in the "References" as Helen and Scott Nearing which when clicked on leads to the correct article, but does there need to be some indication in the footnote that the reference is to another Wikipedia article? --P123cat1 (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean you are using another Wikipedia (WP) page as a source or reference, that is not permitted. Only reliable sources are allowed, and WP itself is not regarded as a reliable source. Sorry if I have misunderstood your query. :-\ --220 of ^Borg 12:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Simple answer - you can't use Wikipedia as a reference, see WP:CIRCULAR. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see the reference to Wikipedia has been deleted already and I understand the reason why. But I think it is important that the reader should know there is another article on her in Wikipedia, i.e. Helen and Scott Nearing, and as there is nothing in this article to show that there is, I have solved the problem by changing "The Nearings" in para 2 of the Helen Nearing article to "Helen and Scott Nearing", as a link to that other article. --P123cat1 (talk) 14:21, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Convenience links: Helen Nearing and Helen and Scott Nearing. Dismas|^(talk) 14:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P123cat1, you could also have added a "See Also" section, as you can already see at Helen and Scott Nearing. Rojomoke (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Rojomoke, I have looked at the "See Also" section in Helen and Scott Nearing and am not clear why you say I could have added a "See Also" section in the Helen Nearing article. What would I put under it? Surely not a link to the Wiki article for Scott and Helen Nearing, in view of the first advice I was given? --P123cat1 (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is a big difference between a See also section and a reference (see the wikilinks). --David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See also would have been fine. It's basically pointing out closely related articles, that may not be mentioned in the text, which the reader would also be interested in. References are when you basically are saying "this source here is where we got our information from". Two different things. Dismas|^(talk) 17:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see the difference. You will note (see above) that I did find a neater way of incorporating the Wiki reference into the text of the Helen Nearing article that did not involve a footnote or a "See also" entry; I was a bit puzzled subsequently about what "See also" entries were for, but all is clear now. --P123cat1 (talk) 21:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hatch Mill Restoration Web Page

Hello,

I'm on the board of directors of the Hatch Mill Restoration and Preservation Group, Inc. I noticed that the link to the restoration web page is the old ".org" page that no longer represents the group. The official page is Hatchmill.com. We would appreciate it if you would change the link to the .com page.

Thanks in advance, Bill Powell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.179.110 (talk) 15:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. For future reference it's always useful if you can give us a wikilink to the relevant Wikipedia article, in this case Hatch Homestead and Mill Historic District. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal knowledge

I have edited an article in which I was a direct participant. How do I show myself as a reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Martinson (talk • contribs) 16:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The simple answer is that you don't, though this may seem strange. Your personal knowledge (if unpublished) is not acceptable to Wikipedia as a reliable source, as it counts as original research and is not verifiable. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You publish whatever knowledge you may have elsewhere, then cite it as normal. Make sure it's a reliable publication, and particularly that it has editorial oversight, peer review, or both. Also, have a look at the conflict of interest guideline if you were heavily involved. --N Y Kevin 01:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tharthan (different question than last time)

My page is miscategorised under Category:Pronoun_user_templates and Category:Grammar_user_templates. I tried putting a "no include" tag for things, but it doesn't seem to work.

Since I'm not a template, but a mere Wikipedian, I would be thankful if someone could tell me what to put on my userpage so as to not have me categorised as one. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's safe to delete the categories entirely, I have done so. The issue seems to be because you copy-pasted the code from templates like Template:User than then rather than transcluding them ("{{User than then}}""). Яehevkor ✉ 16:46, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. I see. My bad. Thanks for the help! Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tonga

Reference to Hawaii giving up the monarchy mentioned in Tonga's history tab is wrong. The United States imprisioned our Queen and in order to save her people she relinquished her throne! We Hawaiians signed a petition to refuse the annexation of Hawaii. Every single Hawaiian that could sign did sign against Hawaii becoming a state of the rip off United States.

Please research better on how we lost our monarchy and reference this correctly. This native Hawaiian appreciates it that Wikipedia does this wiki wiki as you so appropriately would use our slangs and not even write historically correctly about my beloved home Hawaii and Queen.

Thank you, Lynn Keaulana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.178.244 (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you can improve an article, you are welcome to do so - but please note that information needs to be backed up by reliable published sources. Your instruction to "research better" is inappropriate, given that you are addressing thousands of people who read this page, most of whom (like me) have little knowledge of Hawai'i, or particular interest in it. --ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for creation

I know that if a page here is in "article space", editors are allowed, indeed encouraged, to improve it. And I understand that if a page here is in an editor's space, e.g. as a subpage of his user page, it "belongs" to that editor and it would be rude to edit it without his permission. But what is the status of an article for creation?

I ask with reference to this question asked here a few days ago. A new editor asked how to submit an article for review. PrimeHunter advised him to click the green "Submit for review" button. I made extensive edits to the article, to improve the formatting and spelling, and to bring it closer to compliance with en:Wikipedia standards. I tried not to change the actual content, which seemed to me good. But I don't know whether it was appropriate for me to edit an "article for creation" before it had been submitted. I also don't know whether it would be appropriate for me, now, to click the green button; the OP has not taken the advice to do so. Maproom (talk) 18:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it is ready, there is no harm in submitting it, it can always be submitted again if rejected. Outsiders editing AFC is unusual but perfectly ok, there is no WP:OWNership even at AFC. I personally edited and submitted plenty of while the G13 backlog was being mass-cleared and saved quite a few. The problem would come if the original author objected. There is no talk page to thrash out the disagreement, which is one of the advantages of the new draft namespace over AFC. Spinning Spark 19:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the advice. I clicked the green button, something I have never done before. I was surprised to see that, while this added a "Review waiting" notice near the foot of the page, the "Draft article not currently submitted for review" notice is still present at the top. Maproom (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The green button link [1] loads an edit notice which says "An automated robot will update the page later and remove the draft article box", and preloads the edit box with text saying the old template "will still appear at the top of your submission page, but you should ignore it". The usual way to handle situations like this would be to ask the editor to change a parameter in an existing template, but new editors cannot be trusted to correctly follow instructions like that without messing up the syntax, and if they do that then their draft would often lose the whole box with the submission botton, be removed from all categories and never seen by others. Therefore the cleanup is left to a bot or more experienced editor while the new user only has to click the green button and Save page (there are still many new users who cannot do that). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia missed to show a details about shihan hussaini

Wikipedia you miss out to show a details about a famous karate & expert in so many arts. the great legend in India shihan hussaini has called by us "Hu" (humanity). you missed a great thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.37.224.96 (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. If you can improve an article, you are very welcome to do so. Please note, however, that information must be sourced to a reliable published source, especially for articles about living people. Information that comes only from your own knowledge is not acceptable and may get deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note that 'Shihan' is a Japanese term for a very senior instructor. If the poster could provide the persons full name then perhaps we can see if they are notable enough for a Wikipedia page. Then again, this, seems to be a link to the correct person. An 8th Dan in Isshin-ryu karate, and involved in archery [2] too. --220 of ^Borg 02:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Error and Content Not Appearing

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and am having two issues 1. I keep getting this error "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)." but have checked and redone citations so I am not sure how to fix this. 2. I have 5 sections and a reference section for my article but only 3 are showing up, what am I doing wrong?

The title of the page is Boaz Keysar

Mads.776 (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Boaz Keysar needs some fixing. I guess the big blue links to the help pages aren't working today. Anyway, Help:Referencing for beginners will get you started. -- Gadget850^talk 21:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The help page says

When referring to an already named reference, ensure that the ref tag is in the following format (note the final slash).

<ref name="reference name" />

Maproom (talk) 21:21, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I have put <nowiki> tags around the <ref> </ref> tags in your question, to stop the code that renders this page from thinking that you are trying to define a reference here. Maproom (talk) 21:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nightcore???

Hi, I was wondering, how would one go about writing an article about a remix genre that has no articles about it. (I found a definition on urban dictionary, and there is one website on either the band with the same name or the remix movement, it won't load for me.) From my understanding of it, it is considered a subgenre of trance. sorta happy hardcore. It is rather connected to the anime/manga fandoms, and most videos on youtube use an anime character for their video. That's the info from what I've picked up. I believe this subgenre should have an article (I'm always open to suggestions though, so if you all don't think it's notable/practical/etc just tell me, I'll pick a new project.)

What would count as a valid source for this?? This would be a fun project if I can get it off the ground, but lack of sources is going to be a big issue.

Thank you for all your help. NikaGirl (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First you would need to collect reliably published third party sources (newspapers, books, major media magazines) that had written in a significant manner about the subject. Fan sites dont count. If you dont have those, then you dont have the makings for an article. If you do have the coverage, then you could follow the steps outlined under WP:AFC which will guide you and bring an experienced editor to help guide you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to add user/IP contributions to a watchlist?

I patrol recent changes, and frequently come across problem IPs and users, I'm wondering if there is a way to watchlist the contributions of an IP or user? Thank you. Acalycine^{(talk/contribs)} 23:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Answered on IRC. Acalycine^{(talk/contribs)} 02:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 28

Use of PDFs in Wikipedia articles

I wish to write an article on the 1982-86 Electronic Manuscript Project of Association of American Publishers, a project that led to ANSI/NISO/ISO 12083. It was a four-year undertaking involving forty industry groups. I would draw from 12 articles that can be referenced only as PDFs inasmuch as there are no links to them. Can Wikipedia store PDFs? 71.84.104.89 (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)NAA[reply]

It would be preferable to link to the PDFs in question, ideally hosted by an officially-related or otherwise reliable website. It is possible to upload PDFs, but there are copyright concerns with any file upload. --N Y Kevin 00:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The subject would need to have been written about by reliable third party publishers. If all that exists for sources are pdfs, the subject doesnt qualify for a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PDF is just a format. Plenty of reliable sources are in PDF form. But usually, they're hosted by the organizations that originated them, so you can verify they're official. --N Y Kevin 01:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NYKevin and TRPod. I'm interested in the possibility of uploading the 12 PDFs. All are of articles published in a 1986 issue of Electronic Publishing Business, a then-reputable industry publication of a now-defunct and agent-less publisher. Interestingly, one of the articles is by the former Director of New Technology and Copyrights for the Association of American Publishers. If proper attribution can be made of these copyrighted articles, do I assume correctly that the PDFs could be uploaded for storage by Wikipedia and then linked to the article I write? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.104.89 (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

reliable sources do not need to be accessible on the web Wikipedia:V#Accessibility, and we cannot link to copyright content that has been posted on the web without the consent of the copyright holderWP:ELNEVER, nor is uploading the copyright material to Wikipedia an allowable WP:FAIRUSE. Simply cite the original publication. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hiroko Mima Miss Universe Japan

Dear Help desk,

I have updated Hiroko Mima Miss Universe 2008 wiki page. It is about 5 years out of date. I have updated comprehensively but tnothing has happened so far. Can you please tell me what I need to do for action to be taken.

With thanks Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWMH (talk • contribs) 02:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You posted your new material on the article talk page, rather than on the article itself. You also caused confusion on the talk page by deleting all the previous content, so I have now added the previous content back in, and collapsed the display of your new text. It appears that few editors are watching that talk page, so I would suggest that you be BOLD and edit the article directly, making sure that you include references to reliable sources to support your changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) As David Biddulph said above, the page you actually 'updated' here was Talk:Hiroko Mima, the discussion page for the article. The page you thought you were updating was Hiroko Mima, which is 'semi-protected' so you are unable to edit it unless your user account is "more than four days old and [has] made at least 10 edits". On Wikipedia this will make you 'autoconfirmed' and able to edit protected articles. You only have 3 edits so you would be unable to edit it, though you may make suggestions on the talkpage. --220 of ^Borg 03:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a person

So what do I do if no page is inaccurate but I want to add a name?

I saw something about having to post at least 5 comments?!

I just want to add a person that's been really badly missed off. Can be vetted by you.

Please how do I add someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloevb84 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you read that mentioned 5 comments. I've left a welcome message on your talk page which has links that should help you get started here. Dismas|^(talk) 04:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the OP is talking about WP:AUTOCONFIRM - X201 (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which doesn't include the number 5 anywhere which is why I was confused. Dismas|^(talk) 10:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which person do you want to add to which page? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One way is to ask on the talk page of the article concerned and raise your point there. Another is to ask for help here. Remember that WP:V applies in both cases. - X201 (talk) 09:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It may be about creating an article or getting a name into a category or navigation template. It's best to post the person and page here so we can see what applies. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a Photograph to a WP Article

I have taken a photograph with a friend's digital camera of the Elah Valley which I wish to upload in the main article. What is the process for uploading? Thanks.Davidbena (talk) 09:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has a sister project called Wikimedia Commons. If you're happy to make you image free for anyone to use you can upload it there with their file upload wizard - X201 (talk) 09:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can easily to by using Wikpedia commons. Also, that would be great if you can categorize your picture when you upload them. Feel free to ask any questions! Have a good day.Db9023 (talk) 08:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

want to send you a story

good day I would like to send you a story. How did I send it to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.238.62 (talk) 09:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That would depend on what the story is, and what you want us to do with it. - X201 (talk) 09:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You may be looking for Articles for creation. Spinning Spark 10:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My ip is banned?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.55.212.38 (talk)

I guess you are the same person as the below section. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question for administrator

I haven't done anything wrong on wikipedia and I was just editing a mistake on a page. May I please be unbanned?

You're not blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you were blocked, you would not be able to post this message here. Perhaps your account is blocked? --Glaisher [talk] 11:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have disappeared. It said I couldn't edit because my ip had something wrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.14.123 (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above "My ip is banned?" was posted by a different IP in the same country. I guess it was also you and you have a dynamic IP address. Maybe you had a third IP address when you thought you were banned. Special:MyContributions will show your current IP address and any saved edits it may have (logged in users will see their account and not the IP). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What happens to copyrights if the owner no longer exists

What happens to the rights if a publisher is liquidated and no record of a transfer of copyright to a new owner can be found? Does the publication become public domain by default? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, the rights are still owned by somebody even if it not obvious from the outside who that somebody is. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It sometimes happens that no-one knows who owns the copyright, even the owner. This is unfortunate, because then no-one can legally use the work, even though the copyright owner might be willing to let them. But that is how the law works, and Wikipedia does it best to obey the law. Maproom (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orphan works ought to be public domain but the law is not always what it ought to be.Jim.henderson (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So for example the photos in my late grandfather's photo album (1930s to 1980s), which I own, can't be uploaded to Commons just because grandpa's will did not explicitly assign the copyright to me (or anyone else)? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not a lawyer, I figure a copyright must belong either to somebody or to nobody, and if there's a will, a lawyer who studies it ought to be able to tell you. Like, a clause saying "everything else goes to Roger" or something to that effect. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greg A. Hill

Hi there. I wonder if you could lend a hand to the Greg A. Hill article. I noticed that an editor had made a bunch of good faith edits to the page, which required lots of cleanup. I left the editor a note on their talk page, then tried to roll back the edits and move forward (the editor had only made cosmetic changes, little new info). Anyway, it didn't work, as a bot had already tried to help (and I know that's not what my rollback is for, but my intent was a good one). Would you have a moment to look at the page? It may need a rollback to a point prior to the good faith edits of Jcbmxer. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You could just go into the history, edit the version prior to the other editor's changes and save it (no change necessary). Clarityfiend (talk) 11:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Buff-coloured tag?

The Wikipedia tag at the top of the page, beside the title bar, was temporarily shaded in a buff colour. Now it's gone back to the normal white. What did this mean? Valetude (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Valetude: Can you explain what you mean by tag? I've looked at both the logo and the tagline and neither have had edits in a few years. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the little windows at the top of the screen that indicate which sites are currently open. One of them says 'Editing Wikipedia;Hel'. Valetude (talk) 10:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is known as a favicon. As far as I can see, nothing was changed on the configuration side, so perhaps something was changed in your browser settings (eg. skin/theme)? --Glaisher [talk] 10:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether, rather than a favicon (which gives a small icon at the left-hand side of the tab), the OP was seeing the feature of at least some tabbed browsers (such as IE8 +), whereby if a new tab is opened through a link from an existing tab, the tabs themselves are colour-shaded to indicate that they form a related group? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That last one sounds quite likely. Thank you, David Biddulph et al. Valetude (talk) 12:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Casting off an anchor

How do I find out what (if anything) is using the anchor to the Athletes subsection of Tiger (disambiguation)? I'd like to split off entries to Tiger (nickname) and Tiger (surname), which would entail getting rid of that and other subsections. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only by manually checking all incoming links. Ruslik_Zero 12:29, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It can be done with a regex search of the database. See Wikipedia:Database queries. However, there are so few incoming links to Tiger (disambiguation) that it is really not worth anyone's trouble to do it. Just search each page in edit mode for "#Athletes". Spinning Spark 14:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. At first glance, there don't seem to be any. (It does show that there's already a semi-duplication in Tiger (name), which is useful.) Clarityfiend (talk) 22:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Translating : Ultimate Frisbee Chinese

Hello Wikipedia I'm a new guy who recently joined. I play ultimate frisbee and I can't help but notice that the Chinese version of the article is really thin. I would love to help and translate the English version of the article into Chinese. I'm wondering, is translating the article allowed? Because in the editing box, you guys ask that we have to reference the sources, what if the sources are already included in the English version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buritoredcap (talk • contribs) 14:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Translation and WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

and note that, as it is the Chinese article you will be improving, it is the Chinese-Wikipedia rules on referencing that you will need to follow. I can't read Chinese, so I can't be sure; but I expect that

they will regard the existence of a reference in the English-Wikipedia article (or the French-Wikipedia article, etc.) as irrelevant;
they will prefer references to Chinese-language sources, but may accept references to sources in other languages where none in Chinese can be found.

Maproom (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AT&T Ballpark, 24 Willie Mays Plaza, San Francisco, CA

How many permanent jobs does the ball park utelize?

What is the Property Tax Rreveue of the ballpark?

What is the approximate amont of the federal tax on the Total Wwage of the employees?. 161.185.158.23 (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dundalk High School

Dundalk High School is in Baltimore, Maryland not Bay Shore, New Jersey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.64.41 (talk) 17:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another high school in the suburb Dundalk (in Baltimore County, Maryland) is actually named Patapsco High School and Center for the Arts; and we've got an article about it already. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's article Dundalk High School correctly says Baltimore, Maryland and hasn't been edited in a month. I suspect you saw the Bay Shore claim elsewhere, maybe at Facebook. Some Facebook pages include both content copied from Wikipedia and other content from other sources or generated by Facebook itself. A location field at top of a page will usually be inserted by Facebook based on some system I dont know, but they frequently get it wrong. Wikipedia has no control over Facebook. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence of the article Dundalk High School says "Dundalk High School (DHS) is a four-year public high school in the United States, located in Baltimore County, Maryland". Did you have a question about any other page on Wikipedia? The only reference I can find relating both to Dundalk High School and to Bay Shore, New Jersey is on Facebook, not on Wikipedia, so if that is your concern you need to raise it with Facebook, not with Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

QUESTION: Is Citing Copies of Archived News Articles OK?

Is citing an archived copy of a New York Times news article (like http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/opinion/the-wire-next-time.html as linked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality#cite_note-NYT-20140428-16 from WebCite [update note - archiveurl & related citation details have since been removed - to be *entirely* ok w/ this atm] - or even the Internet Archive) - *entirely* ok - or not? - thanking you in advance for your reply - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the link is to a proper website (i.e., not a copyright violation), then yes; but note that the example you use is an opinion piece, not a news story). Or you may simply cite the original story and not put in a weblink. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Orangemike - Thank you *very much* for your comment - it's greatly appreciated - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that I'd have noticed that was an opinion piece – presumably those are potentially less subject to editorial scrutiny and, therefore, less valuable as sources?

Also, I had the impression that we're supposed to avoid direct links to archives and use {{Wayback}} or {{WebCite}} templates or the archiveurl=, etc entries in the citation templates. Is that the case? I'm still figuring out the guidelines... --Otus scops (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There shouldn't be bare links, no. In Citation Style 1, there's a place in the template for the url and an archived url, and both can be included at initial citation if they exist, because there's also a parameter that tells the template the original page is still active, which treats the template like it hasn't had an archive url put in, and that parameter can be removed upon loss of the original source. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Purplewowies. Can I check - [https://web.archive.org/web/20140428051616/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/opinion/the-wire-next-time.html The Wire Next Time] is discouraged (I tend to fix it when I see it, but I'm not sure if I should). I'm not sure if that counts as a bare url or not. --Otus scops (talk) 18:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They're less subject to link rot than just a bare url (as they have a title)... but I'd consider them sufficiently bare as to be more difficult to fix if they died. Most people aren't going to argue against replacing a plain link reference with a fuller reference, so you should be fine to fix it, as long as you're keeping with the established citation style of the article, assuming it has one. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Purplewowies. (And sorry for semi-hijacking your question, Drbogdan.) --Otus scops (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Otus scops - no problem whatsoever - interesting comments of course - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I messed up an edit and cant fix it

ERROR IN A REFERENCE - HELP

In the article about dowry: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry)

I apparently do not know how to edit a reference, nor undo the change I made). This is the first time I have tried to edit something. I thought it would be easy to change one number. Somebody reading this, please fix/change. I'm really sorry!

Reference 67 wrongly gave the page number as p 43 (or some two digit "4x" number). On google books, after hunting around the book, I found it on p 149 in an article on Bhutan.

(http://books.google.com/books?id=bOkPjFQoBj8C&pg=PR5&lpg=PR5&dq=Encyclopedia+of+Women+in+Today's+World,+Volume+1&source=bl&ots=XP6Pm5TAff&sig=y2C7OOsxd49mw-Rxebt5uMRzMW4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aIxeU_3IObC42gX3oYG4AQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Encyclopedia%20of%20Women%20in%20Today's%20World%2C%20Volume%201&f=false)

Encyclopedia of Women in Today's World, Volume 1 edited by Mary Zeiss Stange, Carol K. Oyster, Jane E. Sloan. p 149.

71.89.130.205 (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)Russ King[reply]

Checking... Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@71.89.130.205: The reference issue has now been fixed, and honestly it is no wonder you ended running into this. When working with references it is possible to give a reference a name, which allows it to be reused without having to enter all the details on a different part of the page. This is not only convenient (You will only need to change 1 piece of text to update all mentions of this reference), but it will also shorten the amount of text on the page since one only needs to enter the name of the citation to reuse it. Reference 52 on that page is an example of the result - the "a" and "b" denote multiple instances where the reference was used.

The section you edited was actually such a reference to another reference. The actual reference looks like this:

<ref name="Stange, Mary Zeiss, and Carol K. Oyster, Jane E. Sloan 2011 43">{{cite book|last=Stange, Mary Zeiss, and Carol K. Oyster, Jane E. Sloan|title=Encyclopedia of Women in Today's World, Volume 1|year=2011|publisher=SAGE|isbn=9781412976855|pages=43}}</ref>

If i were to refer to this reference elsewhere i would only have to cite its name. Like so:

<ref name="Stange, Mary Zeiss, and Carol K. Oyster, Jane E. Sloan 2011 43" />

Since the reference includes the page number it is easy to mistake it for the page number displayed. Once you changed it to 149 the mediawiki software started searching for a reference that has the modified name. Since there was none it simply displayed the error you saw before (There is no reference with that name). The solution can be seen here. Effectively i created another full reference that includes the entire reference, instead of just a pointer.

Feeling confused? I can imagine that since this isn't an easy issue to start with! In that case you may be interested in the referencing for beginners guide or the to-the-point example present here. Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

replyto and ping

What exactly do {{replyto|user name}} and {{ping|user name}} do? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They give the a notification to the user. See {{ping}} RudolfRed (talk) 19:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

@RudolfRed: Thanks. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd Thaxton

I am Lloyd Thaxton's widow, Barbara Thaxton. I would like to either add or replace the photo of him with one he and I preferred.

It is a photo of Lloyd warming up the audience at NBC for his show FIGHT BACK.

Please advise how I can do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babs13 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you own the copyright of the picture? If you did not take the picture yourself you probably don't, so the first step is to get the permission of the copyright holder to release it under a free licence (see WP:CC-BY-SA for our most common acceptable licence). Permission for use on Wikipedia only, educational only, or non-commercial use only are not acceptable. Once you have permission you can upload it to Commons using this wizard. You will need the picture in a digital format such as jpeg or png. To actually use an uploaded image in an article see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Spinning Spark 21:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But also note that the choice of the photos to use is up to the Wikipedia editors and they may decide that the current image or a different image is what should be in the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

YOU MADE ME A PALLET ON THE FLOOR

I am trying to add to the list of cover versions of this song a version by THE WEAVERS from Vanguard Album VRS-9043 released in 1958 which is an album that I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.73.137 (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article is Make Me a Pallet on the Floor - I think I've resolved it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate user conduct

Hello, I would like to report and potentially block a user who persists in deleting sourced content and in edit warring, and who has a clear conflict of interest in editing a certain article. I am prepared to provide diffs, but I am unclear as to which dispute resolution process I should turn to. Thank you for your help, Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the removals are blatant, unquestionable vandalism, then report to WP:AIV after the editor has been given a final warning and does not desist. For edit warring, report to WP:ANEW. Spinning Spark 00:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SkyBlu

I have been editing the Wikipedia article on SkyBlu, the American rapper. The title of the article is "SkyBlu", but throughout the text his name appears as "Sky Blu". The Talk page for the article raises the discrepancy but no-one there has been able to resolve it. I saw a reference there to his Facebook page, where I see he calls himself "Sky Blu". Can I take it that this is the correct spelling, or could SkyBlu be his proper rapper name? (I know very little about these things!) If I can take it that "Sky Blu" is the correct spelling, it would mean altering the title of the Wikipedia article which would then lead to linking problems wherever his name is mentioned in other Wikipedia articles as "SkyBlu". If his Facebook page can be quoted as a source, how would I do the footnote? < ref > Facebook < /ref >, or would there need to be more than that? (Had to put gaps round "ref" to stop it showing up as a footnote here!) --P123cat1 (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Facebook is not ideal, but a Google search suggests several news articles that also support Sky Blu. --Otus scops (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also you can do <ref>Facebook</ref> --Otus scops (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia already has an article Sky Blu about a base in Antarctica. But it looks sensible to me to rename the SkyBlu article to Sky Blu (rapper). Maproom (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done per WP:BOLD. --Mdann52talk to me! 07:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mdann52 has given the Wiki article on Sky Blu a new title and a Facebook reference, but since you said Facebook is not ideal, using WP's Referencing manual I added a news article that supports the "Sky Blu" spelling as another reference. I then had a message on my Talk page saying I had missed out a square bracket, so I added it in, but the footnote now looks a bit strange. Can you correct my mistake, please, and tell me how you did it? Sorry, I am very new to all this. --P123cat1 (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 29

disambiguation question

Hi, I want to disambiguate between two topics, no disambiguation page needed, so I want to place notices that this article is about "THIS" for that, see "THAT" on both pages. I tried the redirect tag, but that only points to a disambiguation page. Thanks, I don't do this so often anymore. Sephiroth storm (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are several wp:Hatnotes that may be able to do something like this, but I think you want template {{About}}, eg:

{{About|USE1|USE2|PAGE2}} displays

This page is about USE1. For USE2, see PAGE2.

--220 of ^Borg 06:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That did it, thank you. Sephiroth storm (talk) 04:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Review my article

Hi Team, Please review my article. Since I have updated the article, please review and let me know your feedback. Hope for your positive and fastest response. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdnaseemk (talk • contribs) 05:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Convenience link: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Syed Ishtiyaque Alam Shahbazi. That's all, Dismas|^(talk) 08:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) The comments there suggest there are notability and referencing issues that need to be fixed. --220 of ^Borg 08:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Need assistance with Wikipedia article editing

Hi,

I am trying to create an Article in Wikipedia and have a small doubt in it. I need to create a section where the heading is in one color and the section is in another. Unfortunately, I am not able to see the colors stretch to the complete width of the page and rather gets restricted to the space until which the content are available.

I am using the following code.

{| class=infobox |colspan=2 align=left style="background:#61C4CF"|'''Heading''' |- |style="background:#C6EDF2"| Content |}

I am not sure which attribute to use for the function as |style="background:#61C4CF" "width:100%"| is not working. Please advice.

Thanks & Regards, Dinesh Velu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinesh.pec14 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you are talking about the article linked above, frankly, I would forget about playing with the colors and concentrate on establishing notability. If you don't do that it will continue to get rejected and will never be accepted. Eventually the page will be deleted altogether.

Anyway, I don't really understand what you are trying to achieve with that code, but

===<span style="color:blue;">heading</span>===
<div style="color:red;background:yellow;">Coloured content</div>
Only part of a line with <span style="color:red;background:yellow;">coloured content</span>.

Results in this;

heading

Coloured content

Only part of a line with coloured content.

Hope that helps. Spinning Spark 09:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article's only "reference" is to the company's own web site – and it gives a 404. That is about as non-notable as you can get. Maproom (talk) 09:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

template creation error

I created a Dave Grusin dicography template however I titled it David Grusin.

Now, when I try to edit it, Wikipedia is looking to create a new template called "David Grusin", and I cannot edit the original template. Can the template be deleted so I can start over, or, can you change the title to read dave grusin so I can edit it? BobCC (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@BobCC: I changed the title parameter in the template to "Dave Grusin" to match the template's actual title, but left the name parameter as "David Grusin" (to preserve the link to our article on the man). Is that what you want? Deor (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I just noticed that the title of the bio article is actually Dave Grusin as well, so I changed the title parameter in the template to "[[Dave Grusin]] discography". Is that OK? Deor (talk) 12:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copying text from a CC-by-A-licensed journal

Hi, please see Alain Chabaud. In the reference section it is mentioned that this is an abridged version of an article published in an OA and CC-by licensed journal. Is this the correct way of attributing text? I can't really recall having seen something like this before. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article in question is the subject's obituary. This explains why the article is so promotional, with words like "visionary", "brilliance", and "prestigious". It also lacks all other references. Someone needs to rewrite the article in an acceptable style; doing so will remove the problem of a possible copyvio of the obituary. Maproom (talk) 15:32, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Randykitty: {{OA-attribution}} can be used for those cases. /~hue sat lum/ 22:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Expert/Experienced editors on genetics studies

I need their opinions for a specific article. Where I can submit my request? --Zyma (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Genetics. --Randykitty (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about my account

Hello, I have a few questions that my account was on hold for some reason that I was not told why, but I found that everything that I have updated was uploaded way later than the time that I have uploaded my files. I did contact someone before and I was told that my account was some revise and everything that I uploaded needed to be checked before it would be up from my account.Can you please help me to know why was my updates were uploaded on Tuesday early morning when I uploaded them on Sunday evening. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pas3ad (talk • contribs) 14:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The question you have just posted appears to be the only contribution you have ever made to en:Wikipedia. Do you think you made your "uploads" here to en:Wikipedia, or somewhere else? Perhaps to Wikimedia Commons? Maproom (talk) 15:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald R. Weeks

Someone created a page for me under the heading above. I corrected it a couple of days ago and one of the reviewers changed it back to the original page. I do not understand how this system works. How do I contact the person who changed it. I have read the email and page and do not understand it. Gerald R. Weeks Gerald weeks (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)4/29/14[reply]

If you click on the "History" tab at the top of Gerald R. Weeks it will take you to the history of all the changes to the article. You will see that your recent edits were subsequently reverted with the edit summary "Unsourced and promotional language". It is the difficulty of an editor to write about themselves with a neutral point of view that gives rise to Wikipedia's guidance on conflict of interest, to which your attention was drawn by a message on your user talk page. If you wish to suggest changes to the article you can do so, remembering to include references to published reliable sources independent of the subject, on the article talk page. If you wish to contact the specific editor who reverted your changes, you can do so through the editor's user talk page, accessible by clicking the word "talk" alongside the editor's user name in the article history. David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 16:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The editor concerned did leave a message on your user talk page, and the signature on that message has a "talk" link to enable you to contact them. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:24, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP 1.0 web tool is down

Clicking on the normal link or any of its sub links gives a 404 error: http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/ Brirush (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Murphy (offensive tackle)

I have created the page Kevin Murphy (offensive tackle) but when i go to places where he is mentioned ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings#Current_roster ) It says the page does not exsist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk • contribs) 17:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's due to caching. When you create a page it can take a long time before existing links on other pages automatically change from red to blue. You can force an update of a specific page by purging it, but there is no need for that here. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) It sometimes takes a little time for the Wikipedia database to catch up with new creations. So, for a little while after a new article is created, old "red-links" will stay red. You could do what is called "purging" each page individually, or give the maintenance a chance to catch up. It sort of "rights" itself eventually. See Wikipedia:Purge for how to do this. --Jayron32 18:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Finalizing the article

I am trying to figure out how to finalize the article I just created. It is an autobiographical entry. I saved it, but is it now automatically searchable? If not, what do I need to do to make it live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorJackson (talk • contribs) 20:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article is live, which is what I suppose you mean by finalized. The references are still a mess--the giant block of references at the bottom should be included into the article's body so that they appear neatly. The existing numbered references only appear to be titles, they're not formatted properly. Please read Referencing for Beginners, also, please read WP:COI. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the main problem here the fact that it "is an autobiographical entry"? If the subject is the author, the article should be up for deletion, shouldn't it? Melbourne3163 (talk) 03:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References on Italian and English Wikipedias

Hello, I would like to know the following: 1) How I put a reference into a wikipedia page I edited (it:Monumenti e luoghi d'interesse di Bari) if there is no reference section 2) What should I write into the reference section of the english wikipedia page Lega Pro Prima Divisione if I added content that is into the italian wikipedia page it:Lega Pro Prima Divisione ? Thank you. Tiffanytoms (talk) 22:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Tiffanytoms: (I've changed the URLs in your questions to wikilinks and interwiki links

The code is essentially the same on the Italian Wikipedia as on the English Wikipedia: Put the code <references /> at the bottom of the page. Aiuto:Note on the Italian Wikipedia says that you should put that into a new section titled "Note".
If you are using material from the Italian article, you should cite the same sources that the Italian article uses. (Non-English sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia.) You should also note on the talk page of the English article that some of the material has been translated from another Wikipedia. (This can be done by putting code {{translated page|it|Lega Pro Prima Divisione}} near the top.)

Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 30

Referencing errors on Wikipedia:Requested articles/Other

Reference help requested. I have no idea how to fix this. Please help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rtobyr Thanks, 24.176.163.99 (talk) 02:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the template {{reflist-talk}} to resolve the error message at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Other. You had added a ref within <ref>...</ref> tags, but no {{reflist}} to allow the ref to display, see WP:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT-related_television_episodes Post stone wall list?

What happened to the list of American LGBT-related_television_episodes Post stone wall list? Venustar84 (talk) 05:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a while to figure out what you were asking, as I had never heard of the Stonewall riots. It looks to me as if the answer is in Lists of American television episodes with LGBT themes. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but what about episodes from the 2000's or 2010's? Like List of post-Ellen American television episodes with LGBT themes? Venustar84 (talk) 06:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me to find a meta/shortname

In the first table of the section Bradford South (UK Parliament constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s, you see an entry "Democratic Nationalist Party James Lewthwaite".

However, if you look at the markup code for that entry, only "DNP" appears, not "Democratic Nationalist Party".

I've read Template:Election box candidate with party link#Party set up, specifically about

Template:ArticleName/meta/color

Template:ArticleName/meta/shortname

I suppose the "shortname" meta file is converting "DNP" to "Democratic Nationalist Party", but I can't find the meta files.

Unfortunately, the article does not have an "Election box metadata" template on its "Talk" page.

Please, would you tell me:

Am I right? Is the meta/shortname file causing the conversion?
If yes, where is it located? I would appreciate an exact URL or internal link, please.

--LukasMatt (talk) 07:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The documentation doesn't seem very clear; that "ArticleName" ought to be "Party name", I think. In this case the two pages are Template:DNP/meta/shortname and Template:DNP/meta/color. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:48, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

disruptive administrator

I need some help on obtaining information on a what appears to be a particularly irresponsible administrator.

Could you please explain what is going on?

When trying to access the User talk page for JzG, I get:

User:JzG

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

17:11, 24 March 2014 JzG (talk | contribs) deleted page User:JzG ( G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban)

When I go to G5, I get: G5. Creations by banned or blocked users Shortcut: WP:G5

Further information: Wikipedia:Banning policy and Wikipedia:Blocking policy

Pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and which have no substantial edits by others. G5 should not be applied to transcluded templates or to categories that may be useful or suitable for merging.

To qualify, the edit must have been made while the user was actually banned or blocked.

             A page created before the ban or block does not qualify.

To qualify, the edit must be a violation of the user's block or ban. For example, pages created by a

topic-banned user may be deleted if they come under that particular topic, but not if they are in some other topic.

This project page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created by a banned or blocked user (name of banned user) in violation of the user's ban or block, with no substantial edits by others. See CSD G5.

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This project page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created by a banned or blocked user (name of banned user) in violation of the user's ban or block, with no substantial edits by others. See CSD G5.

If this project page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself. If you created this page and you disagree with the given reason for deletion, you can click the button below and leave a message explaining why you believe it should not be deleted. You can also visit the talk page to check if you have received a response to your message.

Note that this project page may be deleted at any time if it unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria, or if an explanation posted to the talk page is found to be insufficient.

Note to administrators: this page has content on its talk page which should be checked before deletion.

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This page was last edited by Aqm2241 (contribs | logs) at 08:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC) (10 years ago)[reply]

Has this administrator's actions on another article been responsible for his being blocked or banned on one or more articles? If so, can we get him blocked from ours? If not, how can we prevent him from making unjustified deletions without edit warring, which he would win because of his experience and role? Aqm2241 (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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