Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory

Sufism, Ancient Persia, Ancient India

The article is quite biased and i think the semi-protection status makes this worse. I suggest to do not add information without sources to the article, and to not make generalisations, this is making it to be very imprecise one.

In ancient persia the zoroastrian religion was not pro-gay, in fact there are clear admonitions against homosexuality found in various texts of zoroastrian literature. You can see more about this in the wiki article about homosexuality and zoroastrianism. regarding hinduism, the article shold make clear that there are many variations of hinduism, most are anti-gay, some are pro-gay. The kama-sutra actually speaks negatively of homosexuality.

And finally, regarding sufism, the claim that sufism has a gay doctrine is absurd. There were a small number of sufis who did this practice but the vast majority rejected it as sinful.

Cyprus update

The table should be updated per http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/cyprus-adds-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-to-anti-discriminatory-l. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.54.82 (talk) 02:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Isle of Man needs to be updated

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Isle_of_Man most of the rights listed in this table were granted in 1992-2011. On this page they are all still listed with red X'es.

I would update it but the page is locked...

94.137.100.153 (talk) 00:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Pitcairn Island

This article claims that Pitcairn only bans SOME discrimination, but the new constitution clearly bans ALL discrimination "on the basis of Sexual Orientation". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.178.211 (talk) 00:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

LGBT rights in Africa template

Please comment on the unilateral reversion of needed clarifications and changes to this template. The template would be enhanced to cover the adoption of children by LGBT persons as individuals (already covers adoption by couples), which is strangely and unjustifiably omitted. The reversion is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:LGBT_rights_table_Africa&diff=prev&oldid=508019829 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.93.227 (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, if that information is to be added it should be added to all continents, not just Africa, and it should be discussed here first. Secondly, when it comes to adoption by LGBT individuals there are two possibilities: either a country specifically bans LGBT individuals, in which case a note to that effect could be included in the adoption column. Otherwise, just because a country hasn't actually banned adoption by LGBT individuals doesn't mean that they've actually recognised any rights, and it doesn't warrant a tick mark. - htonl (talk) 23:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

There's no Wikipedia policy that every article has to be organized the same. I'm surprised you don't know that already. Clearly, the table is about whether countries statutorily or constitutionally prohibit adoptions by LGBT persons. These articles universally discuss and cite those laws. There's no support for your unilateral, multiple reversions. And the template is clearly better now. 70.253.87.54 (talk) 04:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I disagree, the article isn't better this way! As adoption is a rather complex legal issue and if there is NO law governing this matter, it can be proven that, in most cases, it will end up in a negative ruling from the court(s). Therefore, there should be an "X-mark" with the mention: "although there are no specific laws governing same-sex adoption".

The article isn't just about the negative aspect, but more about the positive aspect: an v-tick should ONLY be used when something is recognised by the law (the same goes for discrimination for example, only a green tick should be used when there are laws governing this topic). --Checkxp (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

If you think there should be something in between, I suggest we change the red "X-marks" into orange "X-marks" when there are no laws governing a certain topic. This was already a suggestion I made in an earlier post. --Checkxp (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Lithuania

"There is a law which can be, and actually was, interpreted as a ban on public speech about LGBT" is not quite right. It is the Law on the Protection of Minors [1] that is strangely interpretated. Only "Bans all anti-gay discrimination" should be left there - the law is not even close to that ban in Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustHey (talk • contribs) 11:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Missing Territories

This list is missing entries for the territories of Curaçao and St. Maarten. Also, it would be better to make separate entries for the Cocos Islands, Christmas Island and Norfolk Island, as they are in fact territories separate from Australia proper, and Norfolk Island, at least, has LGBT policies that differ from Australia's. Furthermore, if you're going to make a separate entry for territories like Hawaii and the Canary Islands, which are clearly an integral part of their mother country, surely autonomous regions like the Åland Islands, the Azores and Madeira should get a separate mention as well (the Azores and Madeira being part of a different continent, even). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.230.65 (talk) 11:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

LGBT in the Philippines

In the Philippines, please add Cebu City that passed an ordinance to protect LGBT rights. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/291268/promoting-tolerance-and-respect Vernonereyes (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

LGBT in the Philippines

In the Philippines, please add Cebu City that passed an ordinance to protect LGBT rights. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/291268/promoting-tolerance-and-respect Vernonereyes (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Renaming

I think the article should not be called "LGBT rights" but rather "Legislation Lgtb (Or homosexual) in the world" as it appears in the wiki in Spanish. The reason is that, like it or not, there are many human beings in the world (possibly the majority) who do not consider as "rights" the legal recognition of homosexuality, but rather as anti-rights of the rest of the people.

I think it would be better to make the article more accommodable to the general opinion of the inhabitants of the planet, as wikipedia is universal and we have no right to change the ideas of anyone without their consent.

--Annalium Hispaniarum (talk) 19:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

"Anti-rights"???--В и к и T 19:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, some religions and cultures think that homosexuality is not acceptable...and wikipedia is for all the world, including that peoples.

--Annalium Hispaniarum (talk) 14:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST for the tittle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annalium Hispaniarum (talk • contribs) 14:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

It is a mistake to think that "rights", in English, implies a particular point of view about whether people are morally entitled to that right. It is a simple word decribing legal abilities: do same-sex couples have the right to marry? to adopt? etc. etc. The POV term that implies a moral entitlement is "human right": which is why there is the campaign slogan "LGBT rights are human rights".

Anyway, the term "LGBT rights" is not just used in this article, but all over Wikipedia (for example the "LGBT rights in X" articles which exist for each country). And this use has been established for a long time. If you think this should be changed, you will need to develop a firm consensus with many other editors. (I would suggest WT:LGBT as the appropriate location.) - htonl (talk) 15:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok Mister, I understand. --Annalium Hispaniarum (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 November 2012

The information about Macau is now accurate> single gay persons can adopt and there is anti-discrimination protection in the fields of labour (Article 6/2 of Law 7/2008), personal data (article 7/1,2 of Law 8/2005) and ombudsman (article 31-A of Law 10/2000, after amended by Law 4/2012).

Offshore111 (talk) 13:49, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Vacation^nine 03:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Reference #38 is a broken link. The document can now be found at http://www.asylumlaw.org/docs/sexualminorities/ILGA_State_Sponsored_Homophobia_2010.pdf

Done Vacation^nine 03:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

(Ancient) China

I first tried to clean up the sentence structure, then realized that it actually contradicts itself as written (as well as being vague).

The first line needs a reference (and a date). The first reference leads to a dead link; the second to an article in Chinese (which I can't read).

Given its placement, I assume "laws were passed" in "ancient" China, but no date/reference is given. The two cited lines say that "homosexuality was decriminalized", and then suggest that--while "hooliganism" was used as a catch-all--prior to 1997 there were "no specifically anti-homosexuality laws".

(I'd also suggest the reference to Victorian mores and Abrahamic religions is relevant, but not made very clear.)

Basically, it needs work, but I don't know enough to fix it. :(

[My first major edit/talk page, please forgive and correct me if I made a mistake.] Lamerc (talk) 04:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Sweden

Sweden no longer requires people to be sterilised and unmarried before having a sex change. So that should be removed from the list. http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2013/01/15/sweden-mandatory-sterilization-transgender-people-officially-ends Nothingbutmeat (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Gay Marriage Has Passed In The UK's House Of Commons

On February the 5th 2013, Gay Marriage was passed in the UK House of Commons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J88nyr (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

It has passed second reading. It still has to go through committee and report stages, pass third reading, and go through the House of Lords. There is a long way yet before it becomes legal. - htonl (talk) 16:41, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Russia - Changing laws against LGBT

New United Russia's laws banning what they call "homosexual propaganda" or whatever are sort of homophobic (or "very heterosexist and homonegative on the very least", if you are bothered by the word as my conservative friends), even when dealt in a perfectly NPOV, aren't they? They outrightly ban freedom of expression and association of queer people with a wide, blurred-defined purpose, so that it may be not allowed (not taking former de facto absence of safety in consideration entirely) anymore to request its own civil rights, to fight unjust discrimination, to be an out-of-the-closet public figure, perhaps even to be openly non-straight. It is a different kind of state-sponsored homophobia, and I am not the only one to see that way, Portuguese news media online sources said that Russia "legalized homophobia". What I mean is that while this fame is not new (Brazil trains its law enforcement personnel to not bother same-sex couples doing what everyone else is allowed do, there cops just watched white supremacist thugs trounce attempters of the realization of politically-motivated prides – hell, it is not our winter/spring Carnaval party/orgy, and even if it was this it isn't justifiable), I find that their notable aggressiveness now makes very clear that it is reasonable according to Wikipedia policies to make mentions about such laws here. Lguipontes (talk) 09:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

..Agreed- this article may need to reflect that Russia has now legalised brutality against members of the LGBT community. Is this then classified as indirectly criminalising homosexuality and should it be reflected in this article? http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3804018.ece Mario 93.133.99.64 (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Changing gender in Finland

The article claims that "Legal sex change is possible without stelirization". This isn't true, the linked resource only talked about that a new law was worked on, but that didn't go anywhere. This is the current law http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/2002/en20020563.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.208.53 (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The law is still under consideration, and the false information should be edited as soon as possible! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.112.51 (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Still uncorrected. Could anybody with editing rights fix this? RNAWES12 (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

And still the same. Wouldn't take long to correct that it's still under consideration? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.112.51 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I have edited the entry for Finland. For the record, anyone can edit Template:LGBT rights table Europe. - htonl (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Why is this situation n Finland marked with a red X, while similar situation in France, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Montenegro is marked with a green V? Also, does the requirement of surgical or medical treatment before recognition in the case of some countries (South Africa, Canada, Brazil, Colombia, Iran, Japan, Taiwan, Czech Republic and Romania) refer to sterilization? I don't know, whether a country requiring such treatment should be marked with a red X or with a green V, but I'm hoping some consistency. --213.243.165.194 (talk) 14:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for other countries, but the surgical or medical treatment requirement in South Africa can be fulfilled by hormone therapy alone or by surgery. - htonl (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Nevertheless, whether the surgical or medical treatment means sterilization or not, at least it is expressly stated that the recognition of sex change in France, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Montenegro requires sterilization. Either these countries should be marked with the red X, like Finland, or Finland should be marked with a green V, like these other countries. --213.243.165.194 (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Consistency of table headings across the continents

The headers used for the by-country tables should really be consistent across the whole article. At present there are the following variations:

• "Same-sex sexual activity" versus "Homosexual acts legal?"
• "Recognition of same-sex relationships" versus "Recognition of same-sex unions" versus "Recognition of relationships"
• "Same-sex marriage"
• "Adoption by same-sex couples" versus "Same-sex adoption"
• "Allows gays to serve openly in military?"
• "Anti-discrimination (sexual orientation)" versus "Anti-discrimination Laws (sexual orientation)"
• "Laws concerning gender identity/expression" versus "Anti-discrimination Laws concerning gender identity/expression"

We should really decide on a single consistent set of headers. We should perhaps also consider whether there should be a column for adoption of children by single LGBT individuals; my inclination is to say no, but there was an editor (see up the page) who thinks there should be. If there is to be such a column, it needs to be added to all the continent templates. - htonl (talk) 01:07, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Since no-one else has commented, I'll say what I think the column headers should be:

1. Same-sex sexual activity
2. Recognition of same-sex relationships
3. Same-sex marriage
4. Adoption by same-sex couples
5. Military service while openly gay or bisexual
6. Anti-discrimination laws (sexual orientation)
7. Laws concerning gender identity

Thoughts? - htonl (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Is a separate column for same-sex marriage really necessary? I think that should be one column for all types of recognition. The rest is fine for me. Ron 1987 (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

That's a possibility to consider, though I feel that marriage is distinctly different from all the other forms of relationship recognition, since it implies full equality before the law. I was also thinking that the last column should really be split into two: one for the ability to change legal gender, and another for laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender identity. - htonl (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna go ahead and put my two cents in here as well. I think that your proposal, htonl, is the one that we should make standard. I might add that we could add legal to Recognition of same-sex relationships. I attempted to changed the Europe template to this style, though my work was reverted by another user. They believe that the dates on countries with legal same-sex marriage would have to be edited to show that there was previous recognition, which I agree with. Denmark for example first recognized same-sex couples in 1989 with registered partnerships, however that scheme was repealed with the gender neutral marriage bill in 2012. I think that we should make simply highlight that the Nordic countries (and others) recognized them since their first marriage alternative was introduced, followed by the date for when marriage was legalized in the respective columns. I have to admit though, the current column headers are annoying the hell out of me, especially when it comes to what we as a group of editors are trying to present. The Nordic countries all have red X marks in the Civil Union column and while that is accurate, it gives the illusion that there is some kind of legal right still being denied. Hopefully we can resolve that. Chase1493 (talk) 03:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 April 2013

The information on Israel is incorrect: Israel has labor anti discrimination protection laws since 1992 [2]

Capellb (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Source please. Arctic Kangaroo 08:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Most of the anti discrimination of LGBT legislation in Israel is in the form of precedents (as the Israeli legal system is based to some extent on common law).

Here are some references (All in Hebrew):

1 - Prohibition of discrimination in products, services, entry to businesses (restaurants, clubs, etc), including on the basis of sexual orientation. Webpage from the Economy Ministry website (previously named Industry, Trade and Labor Ministry).

2 - 1994 Supreme court ruling in the case of El Al vs. Yonatan Danilovich. This ruling set a precedent according to which an employer may not discriminate in benefits between employee's spouses of different sex and same sex.

3 - 2004 Knesset protocol, passing a correction in the law of rights of the patient, prohibiting discrimination in medical treatment due to sexual orientation.

Yunis (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. I ran the first two links you cited through Google Translate and I'm satisfied. I've made the change to the article and used those two links as references. Thanks, --ElHef (Meep?) 03:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Decriminalization in Malawi

Didn't Malawi took down its homosexual criminalizing laws? Amnesty: Malawi suspends anti-gay laws Should the map be edited? Titanicophile (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No. See [3], [4], [5]. Ron 1987 (talk) 19:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Really sad. Thank you! Titanicophile (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 May 2013

Portugal has approved today limited adoption rights for gay marriages: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/17/portugal-expands-adoption-rights-for-same-sex-married-couples-refuses/ 158.162.21.117 (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello! It seems this is already reflected in the article, as referenced by source# 166. Setting this to  Not done but  Done by someone else. Thanks! ^Jguy_Talk^Done 17:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Claim about "no official heterosexist discrimination"

Just before the tables we have the uncited claim, "In modern times ten countries have no official discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, including the rights of marriage and adoption. They are..." It looks like it's based on the assumption that countries with marriage equality - excepting Portugal because of the adoption issue - have no official discrimination. We don't actually know that there isn't residual discrimination in these countries. Unless we can find a citation, this claim needs to go. - htonl (talk) 11:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Mexico/Quintana Roo recognition

Was just wondering if same-sex marriages performed in Quintana Roo (Mexican state) were recognised nationwide as those performed in Mexico City are? Thanks Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

USA federal marriage and civil unions recognition: Post DOMA

Shouldn't the USA be all teal, because if marriage is recognized federally? Gay couples who married to immigrants from other countries are no longer being deported.

If someone is married in say Maryland and moves to Tennessee than that married couple would received all of the federal benefits of marriage under the law, regardless of state law.

http://wreg.com/2013/06/26/legal-expert-weighs-in-on-same-sex-marriage-in-tennessee/

So US law, regardless of what state law says, recognized same-sex marriage even in places where it's not performed in the jurisdictions in the USA.

I know it's very complicated but from a legal standpoint marriage is recognized every in the USA, regardless of state law. Gay conservative (talk) 15:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

States are not required to recognize same-sex marriages from other states, and it's not at all clear that people in your situation (married in MD and moved to TN) will get federal benefits. In any case, many of the most important benefits of marriage are dependant on state law, not federal. - htonl (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I know. US Supreme Court didn't strike down Section 2 of DOMA. The state of Tennessee currently constitutionally bans gay marriage. But from a legal standpoint, if I get married in Maryland and move to the state of Tennessee I would have to get all of the legal federal benefits from the state of Tennessee that is prescribed to my marriage, while it's not granting me the state benefits. So there is some recognition every in the USA, but it's very complicated. For example under federal law the death penalty is legal, but many US states still ban in the death penalty and on the wiki map of the death penalty by country, it shows the death penalty legal nationwide. Also if you are gay married in a country that allows gay marriage and move to the USA you would be allowed to under the current immigration system now. Maybe we could have it stripped with teal and grey across the USA and have a disclaimer saying that the federal government recognizes gay marriage, but not state laws in the states.Gay conservative (talk) 03:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Turkey is twice in list

please check this :)

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Clarification needed on decriminalization map

Please clarify two items on the decriminalization map:

• Add meaning of gray to the key
• Is Missouri being two colors an error? Either it is an error to be fixed, or it is correct and this difference in rights need to be noted in LGBT_rights_in_Missouri.

Thisisnotatest (talk) 06:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Legality of lesbianism in the UK

I have a definite memory that lesbianism was not a criminal offence in Britain, well before the 1967 reform. I think Queen Victoria objected to it being mentioned in some Victorian law that tidied up the law on the matter. It was widely discriminated against, but unofficially.

Does anyone know more definitely? The current entry fails to mention it. --GwydionM (talk) 09:10, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

That is correct. Lesbianism has never been a criminal offence per se in the UK. The article LGBT rights in the United Kingdom notes that "lesbians were never acknowledged or targeted by legislation." But the story about Queen Victoria is an urban legend. - htonl (talk) 09:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Pro-LGBT Bias

This article seems to suggest that these people deserve rights for their immorality.

A paragraph about "Criticisms of LGBT rights" would help.

-- Add one and see how far you get :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.180.101 (talk) 21:44, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

As I have stated before, This page is not biased, it's just not blatantly homophobic. If you want all pages to agree with you, go to conservapedia. Weegeerunner (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Um, you need to change something

So, if you live in the US and saw some change in legislation, gay marriage is mandatory and that on June 26, 2013, there was legislation passed for benefits for gay marriage. So, just to let you know, this means that every state is REQUIRED to succumb to the federal government's demands and that they are just being stubborn. Thank you for your consideration :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farfaraway269269 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

clarity in transgender terminology under "Ancient Persia" heading

Under the subject heading "Ancient Persia"... "The two most commonly documented forms [of homosexuality] were commercial sex with transgender young males or males enacting transgender roles exemplified by the köçeks and the bacchás [...]"

Confusing: "transgender male" sounds like "transgender man", which would be a person born female-bodied who lives as a man ([7]). Also, the article for bacchas makes clear they are child sexual slaves and child prostitutes; it's distasteful to appear to equate "transgender" with "prostitute" (especially as US pop culture does this too much, and police profiling of and mistreatment of trans women is a problem in the US), and describe sexual slavery as "exemplifying" a "transgender role".

How about rewriting the sentence like this: "The two most commonly documented forms [of homosexuality] were commercial sex with _crossdressing_ young males or males enacting _sexually submissive_ roles exemplified by the köçeks and the bacchás [...]" 96.241.49.238 (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Why is the History section in this article?

Why do we have the history section in this article? It's quite fragmentary and incomplete, and in any case it would surely make more sense merged into LGBT history or History of homosexuality or somewhere like that. It really seems quite unconnected to the subsequent table which is the body of the article. - htonl (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding criterion: Coverage of medically necessary transition-related procedures

This is one that is very important to a subgroup of the T that suffers severe gender dysphoria regarding their body, yet none of the LGBT rights articles seem to discuss it. Perhaps we can work to implement it? --Beneficii (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2013

LGBT-related laws by country or territory

Under South Asia - India - Same-sex sexual activity is listed as Legal since 2009. change to: Illegal

Reference: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/gay-sex-illegal-says-supreme-court-activists-to-seek-review-457216?pfrom=home-lateststories

Thespeedofthought (talk) 06:16, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Already done with this edit. --ElHef (Meep?) 16:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Updates

Australia Capital Territory doesn't perform same-sex marriage anymore. (That needs to be removed)

(Legal in Eight Native American Tribal Jurisdicitons and in Eight Counties of New Mexico; recognized in Oregon and New Mexico) (This needs to be added) Prcc27 (talk) 04:08, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2013

Hello, Montserrat, a small African country in the Caribbean has outlawed discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation in its Constitution up to five years ago. Please would someone update the LGBT Laws for Montserrat. 122.58.208.58 (talk) 07:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

• Not done for now: please provide a reliable source to back up your claim.. Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Biased beyond belief

Honestly, this tries to make it seem like Same-Gender Marriage is a good thing and what should happen everywhere. Even though I disagree with that, it needs to be represented as one viewpoint here. Per WP:NPOV, this page needs to be as critical of homosexuality as it is complimentary. Bobby Martnen (talk) 23:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

No it is not, this page is not biased. This page is just listing the rights of homosexual people in different countries. Just because a page is not blatantly biased towards your viewpoints does NOT mean it is biased against you. Just because this isn't conservapedia, does not make this rationalwiki. Weegeerunner (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Requested move per WP:NPOV

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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LGBT rights by country or territory → Legal status of homosexuality by country or territory – Per WP:NPOV Calling them "LGBT Rights" is politically loaded and takes a side in the debate over homosexuality. This is a more neutral term, and conforms to WP:NPOV Bobby Martnen (talk) 23:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I will alert WP:LGBT to this discussion. If you feel that any of the other WikiProjects listed at the top of this talk page should be alerted to it, feel free to alert in any of those cases of course. Flyer22 (talk) 00:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. The page as it currently stands makes numerous references to the rights of trans people. Trans people can be of any sexual orientation, including straight. Changing the title to include only the legal status of homosexuality would therefore be inappropriate. Funcrunch (talk) 03:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. "LGBT rights" has become the standard term for referring to this topic in the English language, and it doesn't imply a particular point of view. Besides excluding trans issues as noted above, the proposed new title would limit the focus of the article to the first column (legality of homosexuality) and exclude the other issues discussed. - htonl (talk) 04:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Strong oppose In addition to the trans* exclusion, "rights" and "legal status" are not the same thing. Since its creation, this article has focused on rights. It should retain that focus. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 04:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose Legal status is not the same as rights. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 12:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Everywhere that I read/see/hear about LGTB is about rights and not about legal status. And of course completely looking past trans NathanWubs (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

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New Guardian article + infographics

This is an interesting and useful new article with various interactive infographics and worldwide data which can be used to edit and/or update the article: [8]. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Vietnam adoption laws

I think Vietnam should be status as "LGBT individuals explicitly allowed"

According to Vietnam's adoption laws (part 8/3), single person (as Same-sex couple are not recognized as a married couple) is allowed to adopt child. The law do not have any sentences to deny LGBT person to adopt child. In fact, I know at least 2 transgender singers have adopted child (Cindy Thai Tai and Lam Chi Khanh)

Vietnam's adoption law: http://vanban.chinhphu.vn/portal/page/portal/chinhphu/hethongvanban?class_id=1&_page=1&mode=detail&document_id=96052 (u can translate by GG)

--138.25.202.226 (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Automated Archive Discussion

I think this page needs an automatic archiver, as it is often extremely long, somewhat disorganized with outdated information. It says here to make sure to establish consensus before setting up a bot on a talk page. What do my fellow wikipedians think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.191.20 (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I have two problems with your request. One is that you are posting under an IP account that has had numerous incidences of vandalism; plus you don't seem to know how to sign your posts. Second, I find that automated archive bots tends to archive items much too quickly. I think it's probably better to request that someone manually archive the oldest and most outdated threads on this page. Softlavender (talk) 22:36, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Uruguay and blood donations

The map is wrong. Gays in Uruguay cannot donate blood. Update map accordingly.

--190.135.168.200 (talk) 04:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Uganda

Uganda nullified its' strict law. --89.178.119.188 (talk) 10:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

An harsh law about homosexuality was nullified, but the Penal Code still makes homosexuality punishable with life prison sentence. Titanicophile (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Greece

Hello. Could somebody correct the status of Greece in the global map concerning the right to donate blood for MSMs? At the moment, it is gray, meaning it has no data, but in actuality, it should be in the dark red category of Permanent deferral. Also, if someone could correct something in the table that describes LGBT rights in detail in every country; in Greece, it says that civil unions are pending, which is false because the PM recently said that he has absolutely no intention to extend civil unions to homosexuals, so basically, not only aren't they pending but they've been rejected a looong time ago. If someone could erase the "pending" and just leave the X sign that'd be great.

Thank you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.93.38 (talk) 11:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or altered in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Kyrgyztan

http://www.buzzfeed.com/susiearmitage/gay-propaganda-ban-moves-one-step-closer-to-law-in-kyrgyzsta Reprarina (talk) 11:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Lebanon!!!

It only says NO in the article, although there are many points on that subject, like judges ruling against the use of article 534 and the Lebanese Psychiatric Association stating that non-heterosexual orientations are completely natural.. See the main article about LGBT rights in Lebanon.. This article should say YES/NO about the legal status of same sex sexual activity with a bit of explanation!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.9.89.206 (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo

Kosovo's constitution does not define marriage between a man and a woman, and in September this year, a spokesperson from the Government of Kosovo stated in the United States that Kosovo indeed allows same-sex marriage, but it's yet to be practiced due to the country's other issues.

• You can see his statement here, minute 39:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xXDwh0aIc
  
• And the Human Rights Watch article here: http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/same-sex-marriage-legal-in-kosovo

So please, since the same-sex marriage issue is still unclear in Kosovo, please don't put the "X", because the previous reference is from the 2004 constitution, but Kosovo adapted it's new one after 2008. Thank you. --PjeterPeter (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Sufism, Ancient Persia, Ancient India

The article is quite biased and i think the semi-protection status makes this worse. I suggest to do not add information without sources to the article, and to not make generalisations, this is making it to be very imprecise one.

In ancient persia the zoroastrian religion was not pro-gay, in fact there are clear admonitions against homosexuality found in various texts of zoroastrian literature. You can see more about this in the wiki article about homosexuality and zoroastrianism. regarding hinduism, the article shold make clear that there are many variations of hinduism, some are anti-gay, some are pro-gay. The kama-sutra actually speaks negatively of homosexuality.

And finally, regarding sufism, the claim that sufism has a gay doctrine is absurd. There were a small number of sufis who did this practice but the vast majority rejected it as sinful.

hinduism is not pro gay but probably neutral in that context. anti-gay religious movements were probably due to feminists and penis envy.

Kosovo de jure same sex marriage

• The Constitution of Kosovo does not define marriage between a man and a woman, and in fact says that anyone can enter into marriage. In 2014, the President of the Constitutional Court said that Kosovo de jure indeed allows same sex marriages.

• The "Family Law of Kosovo" or Law nr. 2004/32 was published on January 1 2004 by the UNMIK, so it's invalid with the adaption of the new constitution in 2008, and therefore can't be a justification that same-sex marriage isn't de jure legal in Kosovo.

--PjeterPeter (talk) 12:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Adoption of the constitution does not mean that the family law is invalid. The law was approved in 2006, not 2004, and it was done by the Kosovo's parliament. Citation from the Kosovo Assembly site: "Law is approved by Assembly of Kosovo, date 20 January 2006 and promulgated by UNMIK Regulation no. 2006/7 of date 16 February 2006". It is on the list of laws on the Ministry of Justice website. No information about invalidation. See [9], [10].

First column of summary table

I'm thinking it would be helpful if the visual symbol first column of the summary table gave a bit more information. Consider (for example) India, Algeria, and Saudi Arabia. In India, same-sex activity is de jure illegal, but it's not enforced. In Algeria, the law is enforced, and you could go to prison. And in Saudi Arabia, you could be executed. That's a drastic difference! Yet all three get a red X. I realize you can learn this by reading the text, but I still think there should be a more prominent indication. For example, maybe India could get a yellow symbol of some sort? It's illegal, and that's a problem, but you are not going to prison for it. And Saudi Arabia would get something else -- not sure what -- as the risk there is on a whole different level.MissPiggysBoyfriend (talk) 09:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2015 (United States - Same-sex marriage)

Please change the 'same-sex marriage' rights of 'United States' to 'Legal since 2015' because the Supreme Court has ruled that all states must allow same-sex marriage.

Source: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages Schoeneus (talk) 16:11, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Already done see this edit by Atakuzier (talk · contribs) at 17:05, 26 June 2015 (UTC). Thanks for the request though. Mz7 (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Age of consent for homosexuals in Canada

You wrote that the age of consent in Canada "discrepancy and prohibition of anal intercourse in some cases".

What do you mean by "some cases"?

In which cases does the age of consent in Canada is discrepancy for homosexuals?

P.S. - sorry if my English is not very clear... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.107.195 (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

The age of consent for most sex acts is 16, but for anal sex it is 18. Of course this affects gay men more than others. It has been found unconstitutional by courts in Ontario, Quebec and Alberta, and I think it's assumed that it would be found unconstitutional in other provinces as well if it came to trial there. - htonl (talk) 03:02, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

So the age of consent for anal sex is 16 for heterosexuals, but 18 for homosexuals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.107.195 (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

No, the age of consent for anal sex is 18 for everyone. But a prohibition on anal sex affects gay men disproportionately to others, even if it is nominally neutral. - htonl (talk) 20:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@htonl: Then anal sex under the age of 18 is illegal for everyone in Canada, regardless of their sexual orientation?