User talk:Cullen328

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I don't live on Cullen Ct, but I like the street sign

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Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Wikipedia.

The importance of a friendly greeting

Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Wikipedia when I first started editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Please offer your thoughts

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.

As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.

As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Your climber biographies

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Wikipedia, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

2012 Archive (first six months)

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Adding cover images

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your response. I fully agree with your rationale - but how do I "just do it"? I've gone to one of the image pages and tried to update the summary and licensing info (adapted from another album page from the same band), and was greeted with a rapid deletion message. The code I used was as follows:

2016 Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon @ CCA

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Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27

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The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

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Interview invitation from a Wikipedia researcher in University of Minnesota

Hello Cullen328,

I am Bowen Yu, a Ph.D. student from GroupLens Research at the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities. Currently, we are undertaking a study about turnover (editors leaving and joining) in WikiProjects within Wikipedia. We are trying to understand the effects of member turnovers in the WikiProject group, in terms of the group performance and member interaction, with a purpose of learning how to build successful online communities in future. More details about our project can be found on this meta-wiki page.

I notice you are active in activities related to project page and project talk page, so I wonder if I could invite you for an interview if you are interested in our study and willing to share your experience with us. The interview will be about 30 - 45 minutes via phone, Skype or Google Hangout. You will receive a $10 gift card as compensation afterwards.

Please reach me at bowen@cs.umn.edu if you are interested or have any questions.

Thank you,

Bowen

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Fotile

Hello Cullen. Please restore the recently deleted page, Fotile, I'd improve it. Otherwise, it should goto AfD. Thanks. Störm (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Störm. You can work on it at Draft:Fotile. Please remove all of the promotional and marketing language and make sure that it is properly referenced. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:44, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

See User talk:TkwikihelperUS

Dear Cullen,
Thank you for your work on Wikipedia. If you could, please take a look at my talk page when you get a chance.
Thank you! TkwikihelperUS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.232.174 (talk) 23:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

User:JkMastru

• JkMastru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

A user you recently blocked is back at WP:AN. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the indefinite block, EdJohnston. I agree 100%. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Indef Semi-Protect Request

Could you Indef Semi-Protect this page in my userspace, please? I protect all my userspace pages after some trouble I had awhile back, especially talk pages. Thanks, I do appreciate it. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:10 on July 22, 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Neutralhomer. Can you either provide diffs about discussions of the need to protect these pages, or send me an email with the context? Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Not really. Most of them are marked as "user request in own user space" or Wikipedia:Protection policy#User_pages. Actual diffs are buried in other people's talk pages or ANI treads in God only knows where. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:53 on July 22, 2019 (UTC)

Neutralhomer, according to WP:PP, "User pages and subpages may be protected upon a request from the user, as long as a need exists—pages in user space should not be automatically or pre-emptively protected." Please explain the need that exists. If your archived talk pages have been disrupted, then I would like to read the discussions about those incidents. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, there somewhere. Typically, I just ask and it gets done. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:27 on July 22, 2019 (UTC)

Can we discuss it?

Hello Cullen328. Can we talk here? Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 02:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Rong Qiqi, I have said all that I intend to say about your disruptive behavior. So, now the onus is on you to a abandon the disruption. I have no further interest in random back and forth about this, but if you have a very specific question, I will either answer it or tell you why I can't. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry we crossed paths I already responded over at the other page. I have honestly tried to explain my point of view, I would appreciate it if you would explain your side because I feel treated unjustly. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 03:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Rong Qiqi, I tell you what: I believe that I have already given you an adequate explanation. If any administrator or any experienced and respected editor tells me that my explanation has been inadequate, I will elaborate at length. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

You have adequately explained your side of the story. Now I have posted my side of the story over at Cyberpower678's page. I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look at that. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 03:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I have read your latest post there, and I remain concerned that you are not taking the warnings seriously yet. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

From my point of view those "warnings" are false accusations and threats to abuse power. I don't actually care about the original discussion anymore; but I do think the meta-discussion would be worth having if you would be open to ideas for improvement. But it seems you have disappointed me. Oh well. Shit happens. Better luck next time I guess. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 04:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

So far, everyone who has commented on your behavior on Katherine's talk page has disagreed with what you are doing. Several administrators and several highly respected editors. Why is it that you have such a hard time assessing consensus? I will discuss any other issue with you when you have decisively abandoned your current disruptive behavior. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Please stop it. This is one of the limitations of communicating like this with written text, in turn and very slowly. You misjudge me completely, and you would be much kinder to me if we were (for example) videochatting so that you could understand my point of view more easily. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 04:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

No. You have been warned by two administrators and other editors as well. Other administrators have commented on Katherine's page including a WMF board member. Everyone thinks you are wrong except you. Get the message. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I do, and I have for quite a while. I understand your perspective based on the information you have. But because you can't read my mind (retroactive mindreading over TCP/IP is a rare skill) you cannot understand my POV and how that has evolved (at least not without communicating). And if you could you would've acted very differently. I'm gonna do something more fun now. Have a nice day, Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 06:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps unsurprisingly it turns out I deserve an apology and you were wrong. See cyberpower678's page. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 12:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Rong Qiqi, there is absolutely nothing on that talk page that would lead me to apologize. My warning stands. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

See this link and the text below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678#Editsummary

I used the correct dictionary definition that is in common usage for decades (at least) and then people wrongly interpreted it to mean something different based on some weird new subcultural thing. I said exactly what I meant, and the dictionary confirms I was correct. I am not an American teenager so my dictionary is Merriam Webster and not the Urban Dictionary. You can't really expect all foreigners on an international project to know all the slang that is used in British and American subcultures. Especially not that of subcultures they have no interest in joining.

A good comparison would be: If someone called Osama bin Laden a wicked man then they might mean the Merriam Webster definition of "morally very bad/evil" and not the Urban Dictionary definition of "cool". Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 00:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Rong Qiqi, I told you at the very beginning of this thread that "I have no further interest in random back and forth about this" and yet you persist in exactly that sort of behavior. Now, you are obsessing about dictionary definitions when it is crystal clear to everyone except you that the totality of your behavior on Katherine's talk page was disruptive and unacceptable. Now you zero in on word definitions trying to wriggle out of my warning and trying to extract an apology. I have warned you repeatedly and this is my last warning to you. Any further disruption from you will result in an immediate block. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Hi Rong Qiqi. Drop the stick. Now. Cullen has the patience of Job. I don't. My finger is hovering over the block button. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Cullen. I apologize for barging onto your talk page like that. But after reading the thread and the one that apparently started it, I really got ticked off. I will walk off and let you handle it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, no apology needed. You are always welcome on my talk page, despite your unusual politics. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Advice on challenging editor

Jim, I appreciate how you deal with a variety of new and challenging editors, so I'm back for more advice. Recently an editor who was indefinitely blocked from Japanese Wikipedia [1] for an escalating series of battleground behaviors, copyright issues, and ultimately sockpuppetry, decided to try their hand at English Wikipedia. They're already doing the same sorts of things that got them in trouble at the other site, including making lots of tiny (often unsourced) edits to music articles, making many errors in language and formatting, copying between articles without attribution, and leaving messages like this [2] and this [3] and this [4] when other editors attempt to fix issues or warn them about behavior. Since they have a track record of this behavior, it's obviously not just a matter of explaining policies more clearly. (As I've been typing this, they've been editing Yūki Yoda to revert MOS fixes that were explained in the edit summary.) Have you run into this sort of situation before, with a blocked editor trying the same shenanigans at a different Wikipedia? Bakazaka (talk) 04:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bakazaka. Yes, I see lots of problems with that editor. Poor English language skills exacerbate the situation and complicate the assessment of other issues. But it does not look promising as a behavioral matter. I left a personalized warning that I hope will be understood.

As for the block at Japanese Wikipedia, I have never dealt with such a situation myself but have read about similar cases at administrator's noticeboards. Strictly speaking, that block has no effect here, but as a practical matter, a block on another major, well-administered Wikipedia raises a large flapping red flag in my mind.

Optional personal question: Do you read or speak Japanese? Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and if things continue or get worse, please let me know. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that intervention. I sincerely hope they get the message and edit productively, as the articles in their area of interest could use some help. If someone needs to explain English Wikipedia policy in Japanese I'm not the one to do it, but I can read the Japanese sources I cite. Bakazaka (talk) 06:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again, Bakazaka. I may someday ask a question of you regarding a Japanese text, if you would not mind. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Bakazaka (talk) 06:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

PS the Japanese text currently on the editor's user page [5] declares that the result of your "discussion" is that you, Cullen328, are now responsible for completing all the edits that the user would have done, by the deadline the editor has set. The implication is that your supposed inability to add a bunch of DVDs and Blu-ray information (not least because you cannot easily import the Japanese DVDs and Blu-ray discs to use as sources) will lead to failure in this challenge, which will illustrate how valuable this editor is. There is also some chest-thumping about the value of being able to create articles, a reiterated complaint about Japanese Wikipedia, some self-aggrandizement (translates to, basically, "I deserve to be a big deal"), and some bluster about how there's no rule against insults in an edit summary, so they can't be blocked for that.

I will reserve editorial comment, except to say that my user name is a Japanese neologism combining fool + hill (starting out on Wikipedia, I had Sisyphus in mind), so referring to me as "the fool" in an edit summary is actually kind of funny. Bakazaka (talk) 08:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I think I can provide some insight as to what this editor is getting at. This editor's major concern is the "Track Listing" section of the "Sakamichi Series" (Nogizaka46, Keyakizaka46, and Hinatazaka46), who typically bundles a DVD/Blu-ray disc with their single releases. It is true that it's very hard to buy their singles outside Japan, but the track listing information is also freely listed on the respective group's website. I think he wants Cullen328 in this case to add the DVD/Blu-ray listing information to articles without them yet (see this with it and this without it yet). I'm not absolutely certain, but I think that's what he means. ◢ Ganbaruby! 19:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: I recommend looking at the editor's history on Japanese Wikipedia for context. There they constantly battled with other editors to add information as it appears on official promotional material (websites, album sleeves, etc), even when that information was verifiably incorrect. The tone of the current user page message is defiant (you can't do this, I can, you can't block me, etc), which coincides with the behavior on Japanese Wikipedia that got them, and their multiple sockpuppets, indefinitely blocked. Bakazaka (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Bakazaka: I am aware that he’s blocked on JP. I’ll keep a close eye on his edits too. After all, he’s not the only diehard Sakamichi fan around here. ◢ Ganbaruby! 19:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

On the other hand, I have paid no attention to Japanese pop music since this hit song 56 years ago. Well, I did see Yoko Ono perform with her husband 49 years ago. In addition, I do not operate an "edit on demand" shop and that baloney on that editor's user page is really inappropriate. But I have thick skin and my main concern is the potential for disruption of the encylopedia. Now, I am going to study that message using Google Translate, and take a close look at the editor's recent contributions. Thanks to both of you for your input, Bakazaka and Ganbaruby. I really appreciate it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

On another matter, Bakazaka and Ganbaruby, I have written a new article on a Japanese topic, Kamifusen. I would appreciate any contributions or corrections to the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328: The article was an interesting read, and I made some major changes to the article. I narrowed the scope down to small kamifusen, since I felt like the part about the Akita festival would better be placed in the sky lantern article. I also took out some information that are extraneous, like the details about the door to door salesmen or the movies that mention kamifusen. Now, there's some concern about your sources, since there's only one left about kamifusen. I would try to find information about the history, which could be its own section. However, sources are probably in Japanese, a language that I can't really read either. I'll work on it when I find time. If there's anything else you need help with, let me know! ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 06:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, please explain why you thought it necessary to remove all the content about the hot-air kamifusen of Akita, which is described in detail in several reliable sources? Are you arguing that these larger paper balloons are not actually kamifusen? It seems to me that the article is dramatically less informative and encyclopedic after your edits than before them. I really want to understand your reasoning. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Absolutely, let me explain. The toy and the large balloon are two distinct things: one is a small children's toy with physics-bending properties that doesn't fit in any article; the other is literally a sky lantern (where you will find I moved the relevant info). Both are just categorically called "kamifusen" in Japanese. The original lead provided led me to believe the scope of the article was about the former. Then, I've determined that the best course of action is to make the "kamifusen" article specifically about the toy while moving the sky lantern portion to its broader article, where there's more context and similar practices around the world can be found. However, I do think Bakazaka's plan could work as well. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 17:56, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the page before and after the recent large edit, it seems like there could be some confusion about whether the article is about the larger category of kamifūsen (the more generic term for balloons made from paper, including self-inflating version, origami version, hot air version), or about the self-inflating version specifically. The lead emphasized the specific version, while the main text had examples of the other kinds. I recommend reverting to the earlier, more inclusive version, and rewriting the lead to clarify that the article is about the larger category. As a practical matter, without access to Japanese-language books on the history of Japanese toys (or Japanese newspaper/journal archives) it would be difficult to source an article just on the self-inflating version. Note that in jawiki the article on these items was merged into a section in the "balloon" article [6]. Bakazaka (talk) 17:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Bakazaka and Ganbaruby. It was a mention of the self-inflating toy at the Reference Desk that motivated me to begin the article and the more research I did, the more information I found about the larger hot air version. So, I considered the article a "work in progress" and my intention was to work with the help of editors who speak or read Japanese to expand the article to cover the full range of kamifusen rather than to dramatically shrink the article. I have no problem with discussing the festival at Sky lantern but worth noting us that none of the sources call these devices sky lanterns. The sources call them kamifusen or paper balloons instead and I think that they should be described at Kamifusen along with other aspects of paper balloons in Japanese culture. None of the kamifusen sources I have read so far mention the Chinese equivalents, or any direct connections between the Chinese and Japanese versions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

A quick note: if you feed the term "スカイランタン" into Google, you'll find Japanese sources that use the term "sky lantern". That term is the phonetic spelling of "sky lantern" in katakana. Bakazaka (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Bakazaka, what I could find were promotional articles about the Tanabata Sky Lantern Festival, held in Osaka last year and in Kobe and Tokyo this year. These devices used in that festival have LED lights and are filled with helium. Those promoters do not seem to use the word "kamifusen". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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User_talk:Error#🏴󠁴󠁨󠀵󠀷󠁿

Cullen, you know people, and people know you. I wonder if you or any of your colleagues can look at this and set my mind at ease--that this is not a total waste of time and electrons. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

1960 NSU Prinz II, the "luxury version"

I am sorry, my friend, but I cannot give you any such assurances. Despite who I think I know and who claims to know me, I have never even imagined nor pondered the notion of redirects for emojis. I do not much like emojis and consider them pretty childish, some more so than others. That one that looks like chocolate soft serve ice cream gives me the heebie-jeebies. But if there is an existing consensus among "emoji editors", to coin a phrase, that we ought to have redirects for emojis, then I would like to read that discussion. It seems odd to me.

In the editor's defense, they are interested in microcars, and I uploaded several pictures of such strange little cars to Commons after a recent visit to the California Automobile Museum. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard unpleasantnesses

Thank you for taking time out to involve yourself recently in admin noticebaord unpleasantnesses involving Vauxford and myself. Regards Charles01 (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

You blocked an IP account on 25 July for vandalising the Phil Konstantin article. Please could you look at this diff as well: Special:Diff/907665599/907678871. TSventon (talk) 09:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

I've Indefinitely blocked that editor, TSventon. Thanks for the report. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:40, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Smartphones

Interesting essay. I always thought smartphone editing would be wildly impractical but now I kind of want to try. Haukur (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Haukurth. I probably have 30,000+ edits by smartphone (including this one), and I almost always use the desktop site on my phone. I carry out all of my adminstrative functions by phone. The only thing I can't do is upload photos to Wikipedia from my phone. The Wikimedia Commons app works pretty well on my phone in recent months. I just hope that the WMF doesn't screw it up by trying to "improve" it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Robert Payne photos

Dear Jim,

Thank you for replying so quickly.

Both photos are displayed on his website which was created by me through The Authors Guild, NY. They are also displayed on Amazon.com, Amazon.es and Amazon.co.uk Author Pages.

Both photos have been used on dust jackets.

They were taken years ago by a friend of my late husband. I assume the above will be enough for verification purposes. Would you let me know? Thank you.

Sincerely,

7payne9 (talk) 01:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, 7payne9. Your comment leads me to believe that you are not the copyright holder for these photos. If you aren't, the photos cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. There is another way, though. Please read Non-free content - Images #10. Because your husband has died, one low-resolution photo of him can be uploaded here on Wikipedia, for use only in his biography. You would have to select the best of the two, and identity the photographer, the date of publication and so on. Follow the instructions carefully. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Robert Payne photos

Dear Jim,

I need to have both photos uploaded on the Robert Payne Page on Wikipedia. A publisher in Spain has used the photo taken circa 1960 on their dust jacket for La Espada del Islam. The other photo was taken in 1981 and was used on the dust jacket of The Dream and the Tomb.

I want to establish that it is one and the same person on Wikipedia as most people refer to it for whatever reason.

As for the copyright. Alexander Artemakis was a close friend of RP's. Photography was like a hobby for him; he did not have a studio. His main profession was something else. My husband always paid him for taking any photos. But they were not copyrighted with LOC.

So now, if I have two RP photos, one below the other in the right column, with name of photographer and dates, why should there be an objection?

7payne9 (talk) 03:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, 7payne9. The objection is based on copyright law. Under the scenario that you describe, Alexander Artemakis (or his estate) holds the copyright to any of his photos of published since 1923, unless there is a written contract assigning copyright to your husband. The fact that he was an amateur does not matter. Amateur photographers are just as entitled to copyright protection as professionals. This is a matter of law, and Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. You cannot upload photos as freely licensed unless you hold the copyright. As I have already explained, one photo (not two) can be uploaded under the terms of WP:NFCI #10. Select the best of the two and upload it on that basis. I suggest that you spend a little bit of time studying Wikipedia:Copyright violations. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

03:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

7payne9, I see with a quick Google search that Alexander Artemakis was a published photographer whose work illustrated one of your husband's books, The Isles of Greece, which is held in at least one major university library. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Robert Payne photos

Dear Jim,

Since I can't have both photos on the Robert Payne page, I'm not going to upload either of them. The whole point was to show that the photos are that of the younger and older Robert Payne. Photo of the older RP has been on Amazon for a long time. Photo of the younger RP has recently been used on the dust jacket of RP's book by a publisher in Spain. In order to have the younger RP displayed on Amazon.es Author Page, I had to display the younger RP on Amazon.com (US) Author Page7payne9 (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC). But if you click on it, you will see both photos.

Yes, photographs by Alexander Artemakis were in The Isles of Greece as well as in a few other books by Robert Payne. Due credit was given to Alexander Artemakis in those books but the copyright to the whole book was always in Robert Payne's name. The rights to all RP's works were assigned to me with LOC when he died, as I was the beneficiary of the rights to all works by RP.

However, as I mentioned above, I'm not going to upload any photos. Wikipedia's copyright laws are very strict, which actually is a good thing. There's a great deal of misinformation on the internet.

Thank you again for your help.

With all good wishes,

Please comment on Talk:Theodore Edgar McCarrick

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Mviovens

Hi Cullen328. Thank you for indef blocking spammer User:Mviovens just now. Unfortunately they are continuing to spam the same link to the same articles as User:103.70.165.217, Any chance you could block the IP as well? Many thanks, Railfan23 (talk) 06:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Railfan23. Thanks. I blocked that IP for two weeks. Let me know if the spamming resumes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:10, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Here's another one: User:106.223.9.188 Railfan23 (talk) 07:20, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I blocked that one too, Railfan23, but I need to get some sleep now. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:27, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Paligo draft

Hi Jim,

You commented on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Paligo and also

"Your draft starts by saying "Paligo is a cloud-based Component Content Management System (CCMS) designed for technical communication. It allows technical writers to create and manage structured content at a modular level and produce a wide range of outputs from the same source content. These include HTML5 help centres and PDFs." I cannot possibly convey to you how vapid and devoid of useful encyclopedic content that reads to actual experienced encyclopedia editors. When I try to decode that marketing talk, I conclude that it is a text editing or word processing program like those that were common in the 1970s or 1980s. Why should we possibly have an encyclopedia article about a topic like that? Your draft as currently written does not contribute useful content to the encyclopedia and should be completely rewritten to indicate why this particular startup means something. That effort must summarize what actually reliable and actually independent sources say about the topic."

Okay, well, actually it is not a text editing or word processing program. It is a cloud content management system much like many of the CMS systems that are used to create web sites. Only it is designed specifically for technical communication and creating content to scale. It's not a startup company, it is now an established product in the tech comm industry.

Would it be better to just have a Paligo company page with links to the Paligo product web site? That seems to be what other companies in this industry have done (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MadCap_Software).

Thanks

Craig-SG-Wright (talk) 08:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Craig-SG-Wright. Please do not base your draft article on Madcap Software. That is a terrible article that utterly fails to show that the company is notable. It is crammed full of inappropriate external links and the only independent source leads to a 404 error. Read and study Your first article, as well as WP:PAID, WP:COI and WP:NCORP. Avoid all jargon, cliches, marketing buzzwords and puffery. Write clearly and concisely. Study the neutral point of view. That is a core content policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks Jim. I will read those pages. Part of the problem I have is that some of the terms you may consider as jargon are widely known and used in the tech communication communitypeolle . But I will give it a go. Do you know of any good examples I could refer to as a starting point? If I write about what the company's product does, that will be seen as marketing right?

Craig-SG-Wright (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, Craig-SG-Wright. Your job as a Wikipedia editor is to accurately and neutrally summarize what reliable sources completely independent of the company have written about the company. If you write about what the company's product does based on your own personal knowledge, that is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Read WP:OR. Write a blog somewhere instead. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Also, please be aware that Wikipedia articles are written for a generalist audience, not for people with expertise in the "tech communication community", whatever that is. Your audience is 16 year olds in Atlanta and farmworkers in Nigeria, and retired nurses in Japan, as long as they can read English. Acceptable Wikipedia articles are not marketing brochures about companies. They are neutral encylopedia articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

ANI

I think administrator intervention is warranted for Bus stop's actions, so I've opened Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Bus_stop_at_Talk:Oakland_Ghost_Ship_fire.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Jasper Deng. Thanks for the heads up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Serge F. Kovaleski

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Page protection

Hi Cullen328, can you protect the Choi Min-ho page? Thanks.-KH-1 (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, KH-1. I have semi-protected the article for a week. Do you know what caused this recent spurt of birthdate vandalism? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:15, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

No idea, but it looks like other band members have been targeted as well.-KH-1 (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Your thoughts

...are not needed. We already have an admin who is exerting their own self-importance - and doing a cracking job of illustrating just what a bad admin looks like - quite successfully without you doing the same. I'm sure you're needed elsewhere on the project at more important venues other than at a place already covered. My thoughts. Cassianto^Talk 07:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you as always for your input, Cassianto. I will offer my thoughts where and when I see fit without any regard to any efforts to deter me. Stop by any time, especially if you have something friendly and collaborative to say. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I doubt it. Cassianto^Talk 17:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Humble pie, eaten. I will always admit when I got it wrong, and seeing your comment at AE, has made me not doubt it, per my previously (now struck) comment. Please accept my apologies. Cassianto^Talk 17:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Apology accepted, Cassianto. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I will always admit when I got it wrong – So there's hope then. EEng 22:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Gosh Cullen, "friendly and collaborative" are his middle names! See Talk:Moors_murders#blunders_restored. EEng 21:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

It is an ENGVAR thing, EEng. It seems that there is a group of editors across the pond who think that "collaborative" and "combative" are synonyms, at least on Wikipedia. Eric is a Facebook friend and is always polite and friendly to me, my wife and my friends. So it goes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Follow the link and give an honest evaluation of what you see there, then see how long he's your polite and friendly Facebook friend. EEng

I read it, EEng, and the discussion is a train wreck. If I intervened, I would be accused of retaliation for the snark above. I know my own strengths and weaknesses, and do not want to jump into this particular fight. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Of course it's a train wreck -- their strategy is to dissemble and confuse, though to see the blatant ownership you only have to read the little end bit that I linked with an anchor. But I understand -- fools rush in where angels fear to tread. EEng 03:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

My action will be DECISIVE and CONSEQUENTIAL, Comrade.

If I ever choose to get involved with administrative action about this particular type of situation, EEng, my action will be decisive and consequential, and I will be fully prepared to hunker down under incoming flak. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I've made a note never to get on your bad side. EEng 03:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I am not trying to pose as a badass when instead I am simply slow and cautious. You are too smart to need to take notes. The day may come, after all, when I need to tell you to "cool it with the jokes for a while". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

You'll get my jokes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. EEng 04:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC) When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. Well, they're not laughing now, are they?

Whatever you say, Charlton. I am outgunned in this type of exchange. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

• Sad state of wiki when asking someone who is making blatant personal attacks to stop making personal attacks generates talk page complaints. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:CORPNAME

Don't know if you saw this, but Merge8productions is saying that the company is defunct. Does WP:CORPNAME cover defunct companies? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Drm310. I have replied to the blocked user on their talk page. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:30, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis

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Joseph Benti

Hi Cullen328.

First, thank you for using your real identity. I think Wikipedia should require all their editors to use their real identities. It is my opinion, that an editor, should never hide behind a screen name.

I have a question on my recent submission to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_City,_Los_Angeles#Film_and_television

Added reference 'Joseph Benti' to the Studio City page, but it keeps being removed. The initial comment by BeenAroundAwhile was that there was no reference to Mr. Benti's Studio City address in the links. So I found an article in Los Angeles Magazine June 1983 which references his Laurel Canyon home and included that in my citation.

Then a user named Magnolia removed it, saying he is non-notable because there is no Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yosemite4#Studio_City%2C_Los_Angeles

Here is my revised submission:

• Joseph Benti, CBS news journalist and anchorman

There really is no established editorial guideline for the addition of a notable person, at least not a guideline that is easily located by this Wikipedia newbie and print specialist. I also posted my response to the Tea page as well under 'Jospeh Benti' and probably revealed too much personal information. Thank you. Yosemite4 (talk) 21:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Yosemite4. There is widespread consensus among experienced editors that lists of notable people should be limited to people who are already the subjects of acceptable Wikipedia biographies. Otherwise, these lists soon spiral out of control and every Tom, Jane and Harry gets listed. So, your first step is to write a biography of Benti. Please read Your first article.

I have made the personal choice to edit under my real name after careful consideration. However, I support the right of people to edit anonymously if they so choose. I have long been self-employed and am 67 years old, living in a safe community. But how about those editors living in totalitarian societies? Do we want the Beijing government to arrest every pro-democracy Wikipedia editor in Hong Kong if the crackdown there intensifies? How about our heroic editors who work on coverage of the Syrian civil war? Should their names be known to every despotic murder gang roaming through that area? I do not think so. These are just the most obvious examples. There are countless reasons why editing anonymously is important to many people. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328. I moved my input to the Tea Page. I would rather the criticisms be discussed in an open forum where many editors can participate. Yosemite4 (talk) 23:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Yosemite4. I assume that you mean the Teahouse, so I will check there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:21, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Please remove my material from Teahouse

Just received your message about not deleting stuff. One of the editors complained.

I want the personal material that I placed, removed from the TEAHOUSE. My deletion is my edit. I came there for help and was debauched by a bunch of editors more concerned about being right than helping.

My deletion is my edit.

It is neither fair nor professional. I was taken down by a bunch of editors, more intent on being right and controlling the show than helping new people especially women. I came into that, and it was all about destruction. This is not a forum I want to participate in.

Yosemite4 (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)